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1 cinesimon  Fri, Jul 26, 2013 1:40:33pm

Heroes to right wingers the world over.
Ans, no - they’re neither sociopaths nor bigots! They’re upstanding citizens, side-stepping political correctness and revealing the TRUTH! Because they’e brave and patriotic, are these young gentlemen…

2 rosiee  Fri, Jul 26, 2013 4:35:42pm

re: #1 cinesimon

You seem to forget that homosexuality under the very left-wing Soviets was a severely punished crime

3 EPR-radar  Fri, Jul 26, 2013 4:39:02pm

re: #2 rosiee

You seem to forget that homosexuality under the very left-wing history_in_Russia#LGBT_history_post-Stalin:_1953.E2.80.931991”> Soviets was a severely punishable crime.

So what. The present homophobic regime in Russia is rightist.

The political expression of homophobia in the US is also on the right.

4 rosiee  Fri, Jul 26, 2013 5:00:19pm

re: #3 EPR-radar

That’s true, but my point was that culture is omni-present regardless of politics.

5 BongCrodny  Fri, Jul 26, 2013 6:06:46pm

re: #4 rosiee

That’s true, but my point was that culture is omni-present regardless of politics.

And to highlight left-wing.

6 Interesting Times  Fri, Jul 26, 2013 6:24:52pm

re: #5 BongCrodny

And to highlight left-wing.

Which is ridiculous - homophobia is rooted in social conservatism, which absolutely can coexist with communist economic policies (though Russia and China both are better described as crony-capitalist now)

7 rosiee  Fri, Jul 26, 2013 6:41:19pm

re: #6 Interesting Times

Chinese and Russian Communism was quite ahead of the time in regards to women’s rights on paper, but always was prejudiced against homosexuals. So obviously supposed left-wing values don’t extend in the real world to gays. Marx et al. were silent on it.

8 philosophus invidius  Fri, Jul 26, 2013 9:03:49pm

re: #6 Interesting Times

Which is ridiculous - homophobia is rooted in social conservatism, which absolutely can coexist with communist economic policies (though Russia and China both are better described as crony-capitalist now)

Just as it would be a mistake to think all the bad things that happened in the USSR were unrelated to “leftist” policies, so it is also wrong to think the opposite, namely that everything bad in the USSR is somehow the logical conclusion to progressivism.

9 philosophus invidius  Fri, Jul 26, 2013 9:09:52pm

re: #7 rosiee

Not sure what point you’re trying to make. I’ll give it a try:

1) Marx is the epitome of “leftism,” so everything he says or omits is proof what leftism is. (Kind of like the Bible for Christians or the Koran for Muslims.)
2) Leftists are always yammering about “gay rights”
3) Marx didn’t defend gay rights.
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Therefore: Leftists are hypocrites


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