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1 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:48:10am

It’s not “he’s pissed”, its that he feels UHC can’t compete in Cali given the rules it has to play under and the lower costs other insurance carriers have. It’s a business decision, not one of personal pique.

2 Bulworth  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:51:05am

Did the WSJ run this op-ed next to the one from the grateful family getting health insurance for the first time because of the ACA? //

3 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 8:02:54am

Um, why is Anthem Blue Cross & Blue Shield, along with Kaiser Permanente, getting a tax breaks in California.

I want Single Payer health care in the end, but for the moment, I would like to have a level playing field.

4 Political Atheist  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 8:08:03am

re: #2 Bulworth

The 24hr news media is now no better than that grumpy bigot we meet at the proverbial water cooler. There will be no added clarity from them.

So somewhere along the line we have to find those that support the ACA (not the web site, the act) willing to simply discuss the problems it brings with it’s newness and legal ramifications. Those opposed need to be willing (late = better than never) to address what is right, what is working with the ACA.

So far very little real conversation, a lot of grandstanding and stonewalling. The ACA debate begins to look a lot like the gun control issue. Polarized beyond all gradients. Black and white.

5 Ace-o-aces  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 8:08:40am

Of course, the whole issue of “in” and “out” of network providers would be solved if we went to a single payer system. Just saying.

6 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 8:13:52am

And this is why the ACA is tricky. You have considerable government involvement but ultimately the care providers are private companies. When stuff like this happens, it’s easy to pass off blame on whoever the convenient target is, no matter who is responsible.

Given the information in the article, it seems to me like United would probably have pulled out of the individual market in California even without the ACA.

7 jaunte  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 8:13:55am

More from Kevin Knauss:

They are awfully quiet out there

The insurance companies know more about the variety of reasons for plan closures than they are telling the public. The CEO’s of major health plans should be brought before congress and asked about the real reasons they are closing plans. The ACA has precipitated the closure of many plans. But we also know that the regulatory headaches of getting rate increases and upgrading poor plan designs to meet the ACA is also playing a part in plan closures. So far, all of the insurance companies are standing on the sidelines, twiddling their thumbs, enjoying the new business and revenue the ACA is driving their way while Secretary Sebelius is getting grilled on the hot seat by congressmen who would rather pontificate than actually listen to the facts.

8 steve_davis  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 8:45:45am

re: #3 ProTARDISLiberal

Um, why is Anthem Blue Cross & Blue Shield, along with Kaiser Permanente, getting a tax breaks in California.

I want Single Payer health care in the end, but for the moment, I would like to have a level playing field.

Because they’re operating as a non-profit, and thus, they get a tax break.

9 jvic  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:14:12am

re: #6 Eclectic Cyborg

And this is why the ACA is tricky. You have considerable government involvement but ultimately the care providers are private companies. When stuff like this happens, it’s easy to pass off blame on whoever the convenient target is, no matter who is responsible.

I’m not sure why Right blogs are howling that, by pointing out the economics, the White House is “smearing” the survivor whose policy is getting cancelled. They keep telling me that only the Left distorts complex policy tradeoffs with heartbreaking special cases. I’m so confused.

(Btw, Glenn Reynolds seems to be having a bad day. He linked—apparently now deleted—to a story about the government printing money, and it turned out to be the Sri Lankan government.)

Given the information in the article, it seems to me like United would probably have pulled out of the individual market in California even without the ACA.

Being wary of unintended consequences, I throw the following out only in the spirit of brainstorming. As a precondition for doing business in a state, maybe an insurer, rather than walking away from patients like Ms. Littlefield, should be required to maintain the policies it already has in place even if it does not write any additional ones.

10 GunstarGreen  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 12:23:45pm

re: #3 ProTARDISLiberal

Um, why is Anthem Blue Cross & Blue Shield, along with Kaiser Permanente, getting a tax breaks in California.

I want Single Payer health care in the end, but for the moment, I would like to have a level playing field.

The playing field will be slanted for as long as there ISN’T a Single Payer system. That’s the entire friggin’ point.

Health care should not be a for-profit industry. The health of a nation is too important to leave up to the profit motive. Every person that is un- or under-insured costs this country money. All of the mouth-breathing morons that complain about footing somebody else’s health bill need to be beaten with very large sticks. You pay for it regardless — either you help pay the prevention and maintenance costs, which are FAR lower, or you pay the catastrophic care costs in the form of increased rates and premiums when they can’t pay the bills to treat a disease that was entirely preventable with regular maintenance, which they couldn’t afford. The hospital is not going to just eat the cost of treating people who can’t pay in the ER. The cost gets passed along. That’s why healthcare costs are obscene in this country.

Every person that goes to the ER because they don’t have the financial means to receive proper treatment drives up the cost of ALL services for EVERYONE. That is why it is literally insane to leave it up to a profit-oriented market that is only interested in the short-term.

Single Payer is the only correct answer. Everything else is just varying shades of “fucking wrong”. Our current system, which the ACA just props up for a little while longer, only ensures that the rich are treated properly — the system sucks enormous, rotting goat balls for everyone else.


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