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1 John Vreeland  Apr 10, 2014 1:00:42pm

There were lots of gospels that were rejected by the orthodoxy, but in truth it seems clear that they selected the earliest and bestest.

On the other hand, this gospel fragment is actually older than some verses of the orthodox Bible. For example, the beloved story of Jesus saying “let he who has not sinned cast the first stone” does not actually appear in any copies of the Bible until much later.

2 Jay in Oregon  Apr 10, 2014 1:07:44pm
The distinction is significant because debates over sexuality and marriage have dominated contemporary discussions about Christianity; the Catholic Church cites Jesus’ celibacy as one reason its priests must not have sex or marry.

Without getting into arguments over whether God exists or who Jesus was, or if he actually existed, here’s my problem with the Catholic Church’s stance:

If one of the defining characteristics of your faith is your compassion towards and empathy for others, wouldn’t it make sense that the priesthood should reflect the various backgrounds and lifestyles of your followers? Wouldn’t having priests who are married and have children mean they are more likely to provide valuable advice and counsel that reflects your beliefs?

Why does it make sense that your priests should abstain from a lifestyle that Jesus had no problem with and otherwise actually encourages? Jesus may have been celibate but he never said anything about priests not being able to marry.

3 Skip Intro  Apr 10, 2014 1:24:41pm

re: #1 John Vreeland

There were lots of gospels that were rejected by the orthodoxy, but in truth it seems clear that they selected the earliest and bestest.

On the other hand, this gospel fragment is actually older than some verses of the orthodox Bible. For example, the beloved story of Jesus saying “let he who has not sinned cast the first stone” does not actually appear in any copies of the Bible until much later.

The four gospels are all cobbled together from earlier, lost sources, and the author(s) of each of the later gospels stole from earlier ones as well as from the lost sources. In many cases they changed the sequence of events in the earlier gospels to make a religious point.

Then there are the writings of Paul, around half of which aren’t by Paul at all, but someone pretending to be him, writing in his name.

Later the Council of Nicaea picked the writings that supported their view of Jesus to make the N.T. and banned the rest as heretical.

Inerrant word of God my ass.


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