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1 1Peter G1  Jul 2, 2014 9:15:49am

Hmm tough call. Clearly a case of the extra-territorial application of US law. The shooter should have been extradited to Mexico to face the proper charges.

2 wrenchwench  Jul 2, 2014 10:02:22am

It seems fair that the law could reach over the border to provide some recourse to the parents since the bullet can reach over and take their son.

3 1Peter G1  Jul 2, 2014 10:24:05am

Really if the Mexicans wanted tokill lots of Americans all they would have to do is make full auto weapons legal as well as straw sales in Mexico. Maybe add a “gun show” exemption too. Then they could set up hundreds of perfectly legal gun stores along the border from the US. They could then, perfectly legally, make straw sales of fully automatic military grade weapons to American criminal enterprises across the border. And sit back and watch the self perpetuating fun. I don’t see how the right wing in the US could object to Mexicans adopting american freedoms.

4 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 2, 2014 11:21:56am

re: #2 wrenchwench

It seems fair that the law could reach over the border to provide some recourse to the parents since the bullet can reach over and take their son.

The cops at policeone have gone apeshit over this. Apparently, shooting someone on the other side of an international border is non-reviewable and a non-contraversy as far as they are concerned. Many of them actually argue that all rights recognized by our government end at the border and therefore ‘aliens’ can be shot with impunity as long as they are on the other side.

5 wrenchwench  Jul 2, 2014 11:35:17am

re: #4 Aunty Entity Dragon

The cops at policeone have gone apeshit over this. Apparently, shooting someone on the other side of an international border is non-reviewable and a non-contraversy as far as they are concerned. Many of them actually argue that all rights recognized by our government end at the border and therefore ‘aliens’ can be shot with impunity as long as they are on the other side.

I can imagine.

The case above is far less clear to me than the more recent one from Nogales.

Luis Fernando Parra, the lawyer for the family of Jose Antonio Elena Rodriguez, called the ruling historically important and said it could affect other cross-border shooting cases, like Elena Rodriguez’s. The 16-year-old was killed on Oct. 10, 2012, by one or more Border Patrol agents firing through the border fence into Nogales, Mexico.

The boy was hit 10 times in the back and head. The Border Patrol alleges he was throwing rocks, but witnesses dispute this.

“It is very important precedent in our case. There is a remedy now,” Parra said. “Our case is even more egregious and even more conscious-shocking.”

The agent in that case (as I understand it) had to run up to the fence and shoot downward to hit the kid a good distance away, and in the back, as the article indicates.


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