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1 Lumberhead  Sep 24, 2014 3:46:54am

Due to entrenched interest groups that will use calls to tradition, we would never change our system. We’ll never change to more sensible way of electing our representatives unless there’s a huge outcry from the masses. Our government is completely dysfunctional now, in large part because of how we elect our leaders (gerrymandering and large population Senators vs small population Senators for example), and there is no real push for a change to a more representational system.

2 aagcobb  Sep 24, 2014 5:20:23am

Big change is always implausible until it happens. At some point, the gridlock crisis may become so severe that change to a more efficient, representative government will become urgently necessary.

3 Romantic Heretic  Sep 24, 2014 7:19:14am

Shrugs. It’s a poor workman who blames his tools, and that’s all any form of government is; a tool. Whether that tool does good work or bad is entirely up to the users.

Which brings me to George Carlin.

Now, there’s one thing you might have noticed I don’t complain about: politicians. Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says they suck. Well, where do people think these politicians come from? They don’t fall out of the sky. They don’t pass through a membrane from another reality. They come from American parents and American families, American homes, American schools, American churches, American businesses and American universities, and they are elected by American citizens. This is the best we can do folks. This is what we have to offer. It’s what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out. If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you’re going to get selfish, ignorant leaders. Term limits ain’t going to do any good; you’re just going to end up with a brand new bunch of selfish, ignorant Americans. So, maybe, maybe, maybe, it’s not the politicians who suck. Maybe something else sucks around here… like, the public. Yeah, the public sucks. There’s a nice campaign slogan for somebody: “The Public Sucks. Fuck Hope.”

4 Lumberhead  Sep 24, 2014 9:03:20am

re: #3 Romantic Heretic

Shrugs. It’s a poor workman who blames his tools, and that’s all any form of government is; a tool. Whether that tool does good work or bad is entirely up to the users.

Which brings me to George Carlin.

Tools do matter though. Is it possible to build an 21st century aircraft only with tools that were made in the 18th century?

5 Romantic Heretic  Sep 25, 2014 6:19:52am

I don’t see the current tool as insufficient to the job. The current problem is that a fair number of people, especially in America, don’t want the tool to work. They want a tool more primitive and simple than representative democracy.

I don’t see how a ‘more modern’ system will help deal with that problem.

6 Lumberhead  Sep 25, 2014 7:21:30am

re: #5 Romantic Heretic

I think the tools could at least be upgraded. A lot has changed since the founding. The nations population was less than half of NYC’s current population. The number of states has almost quadrupled. I think things have changed more than the founders could possibly have imagined. I do think a more parliamentary style system could be more responsive and representative.


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