There is nothing selfish about wanting to live - it’s the most simple, instinctive, human desire there is. Still, most of us - men and women - feel we would lay down our lives for our children; there’s an instinct in that, too.

But there is something about the spectacle of anti-abortion advocates celebrating women who die trying to save their unborn babies that feels a bit too gleeful - they’re shockingly unabashed in their pushing the idea that the lives of adult women aren’t nearly as important as their ability to bring children into the world.

Every few months, a story will come out about a pregnant woman who ignores medical advice or refuses treatment so that her fetus won’t be harmed - like 34-year-old Kathy Taylor of Utah, who died last month after forgoing treatment for melanoma while she was pregnant with her sixth child. (Sadly, her son Luke was born prematurely and died as well.) Or Karisa Bugal from Colorado, also 34 years old, who decided to take on a riskier C-section late last year in order to save her child’s life, even though it ultimately caused her own death.

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