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1 Drive By Commenter  Apr 8, 2015 7:46:53am

It’s all part of the bull shit they’ve been peddling for years. All they have to do is run that meme and most will only hear “Food stamps. shrimp, lobster, steaks, cruises, WELFARE CADILLACS, and I don’t even work.” They are smearing the working poor and outright poor, There is some falsification and benefits going to where they should not, but the big picture that the GOP wants to paint is “Somebody everyone on welfare is living large on your dime and they do not deserve it.” Hook, line and sinker, will the morons gobble it up. Then they will ignore their tax dollars going to the filthy rich and subsidies to those who are much better off than them. But that’s ok. It’s that family over there who should pay for a piece of the sky hitting them. Hypocrisy.

2 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 8, 2015 8:06:37am

At the heart of the problem it is, unfortunately, a race issue.

You have predominantly white politicians, business leaders, political activitsts and middle/upper class Americans looking down upon the “scary brown people” who live in poverty.

Now I KNOW there are plenty of whites in poverty too. I’m not discounting those people. However, from the perspective of the “Haves” most of the downtrodden are lazy minorities who have big screen TVs and smartphones and steaks and seafood while sitting at home all day and not wanting to work.

It’s that perception and NOT the reality on the streets that drives these kinds of policies. Yes, poverty is higher among minorities. That’s a societal issue and one we really need to deal with. If we can ever get the race problem out of the way and view one another as equals, as brothers and sisters, as Americans…we might make some headway on this problem.

Until then, expect the “welfare moocher” rhetoric to continue unabated.

3 Thanos  Apr 8, 2015 9:23:27am

The other part of this ugly equation uses game theory: pitting people on benefits (like my rural Dad on SSI, pension, and Medicare) vs other people on benefits (like that urban unemployed guy on unemployment and food ebt.)

4 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 8, 2015 10:30:44am

re: #3 Thanos

The usual logic is that people like your dad have “earned” their benefits, while the welfare moochers haven’t.

5 calochortus  Apr 8, 2015 10:37:36am
Then there are the states that want to drug-test welfare recipients — the implication being that we worry the poor will convert their benefits directly into drugs.

And, indeed there are poor people who use their benefits and anything else they can get their hands on for drugs. I know this is silly, but rather than cutting them off, maybe we could get some treatment for them?

6 Drive By Commenter  Apr 8, 2015 10:57:02am

re: #3 Thanos

The other part of this ugly equation uses game theory: pitting people on benefits (like my rural Dad on SSI, pension, and Medicare) vs other people on benefits (like that urban unemployed guy on unemployment and food ebt.)

I actually know one person in particular who is on disability, and has been for over 35 years,. and he thinks “some people are just lazy and don’t want to work and they lie and I don’t want to pay for them.” Perfect Tea Party nimrod, not realizing the very people he calls out are………..HIM. And I think he’s been jobbing the system since day one. Another guy I’ve know for years has slowly drifted into delusion and his take on anything resembling social programs was “bad”. Voted straight GOP and spouted insane shit. Then he lost his job. Then his COBRA ran out. Then he was scrambling to find coverage he could afford. Here in Pa, Guvnah Corbett did not expand Medicaid, who he supported, and then he cries about how “Obamacare sucks.” I gave up trying to talk to these two. I’m spitting in the ocean. And there are millions just like them. All those other people are just shiftless, but when they get hit, oh it’s different.

7 Thanos  Apr 8, 2015 11:02:34am

re: #5 calochortus

And, indeed there are poor people who use their benefits and anything else they can get their hands on for drugs. I know this is silly, but rather than cutting them off, maybe we could get some treatment for them?

You can’t manage the rule to the rare exception however, and that’s what the red staters are insisting on doing rather than trying your suggestion.

8 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 8, 2015 12:13:44pm

HURR HURR WE HAS TO STOP TEH POOR MUSIMS & JUICE FROM BUYING TEH EXPENSIF HALAL & KOSHER FOODS!!!!! MAKE THEM EAT PROK GUTS HURR HURR

9 lostlakehiker  Apr 8, 2015 12:31:39pm

re: #3 Thanos

The other part of this ugly equation uses game theory: pitting people on benefits (like my rural Dad on SSI, pension, and Medicare) vs other people on benefits (like that urban unemployed guy on unemployment and food ebt.)

How is this part of game theory? Game theory has to do with how best to play games of chance when you know the odds and you and your opponent are both able to think long and deeply before making your respective plays.

At Rock, Scissors, Paper, for instance, your best strategy is to choose from those three options at random. But—-how could this bear on government benefits? Who are the players? What are the rules?

10 EPR-radar  Apr 8, 2015 12:36:30pm

This kind of Republican crap has gotten worse than just hassling and shaming welfare recipients (which is also totally unacceptable, of course).

In Kansas (truly a GOP cesspit of Satan), they are about to implement a $25 limit on the amount of cash a welfare recipient can withdraw via ATM using their electronic benefit cards.

The fact that this is extra-special GOP malice becomes apparent when it is noted that these electronic benefit cards incur a $1 fee (+ bank fees that average another $2) for every withdrawal.

So this bullshit to deal with a most likely non-existent ‘problem’ can amount to more than 10% reduction in benefits. For example, one would have to make small withdrawals over many days in order to make a rent payment in cash (which people without bank accounts are often obliged to do), and over 10% of such payments is eaten up in ATM fees.

fivethirtyeight.com

11 aagcobb  Apr 8, 2015 1:16:25pm

This is why one reason I believe in a universal income: every working age American getting a monthly payment of about $1,000, enough to lift them above the poverty line, and get away from the damn means tested welfare programs with a bunch of red tape designed to demean and humiliate the poor. People can better figure out for themselves how to spend the money they need than a bunch of politicians trying to prove how tough they can be on the “takers.”

12 Thanos  Apr 8, 2015 1:24:21pm

re: #9 lostlakehiker

How is this part of game theory? Game theory has to do with how best to play games of chance when you know the odds and you and your opponent are both able to think long and deeply before making your respective plays.

At Rock, Scissors, Paper, for instance, your best strategy is to choose from those three options at random. But—-how could this bear on government benefits? Who are the players? What are the rules?

By the demagogue’s presentation of all benefits as a zero sum game when they are not — if x gets more A, then y gets less B.

13 calochortus  Apr 8, 2015 1:29:23pm

re: #7 Thanos

You can’t manage the rule to the rare exception however, and that’s what the red staters are insisting on doing rather than trying your suggestion.

Of course not, and I wasn’t suggesting they try. I’m just a great believer in taking care of underlying issues whenever possible, with a little preventative maintenance thrown in.

14 Thanos  Apr 8, 2015 1:32:25pm

re: #13 calochortus

Of course not, and I wasn’t suggesting they try. I’m just a great believer in taking care of underlying issues whenever possible, with a little preventative maintenance thrown in.

Yes, me too, I wasn’t dissing your idea, just explaining how the red staters would look at it.


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