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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2015 • 7:59:04am

re: #138 Great White Snark

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2015 • 8:00:54am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2015 • 8:04:04am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2015 • 8:06:07am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2015 • 8:15:26am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2015 • 8:15:49am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2015 • 8:16:07am
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CuriousLurker  Sep 3, 2015 • 8:21:42am

re: #6 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Around 01:14:

The majority are fleeing wars in Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq.

I can’t help but wonder how much of this is on us, thanks to our involvement in those places after 9/11. *sigh*

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Great White Snark  Sep 3, 2015 • 8:43:00am

re: #8 CuriousLurker

With all due respect to our actions, recent and historic, Arab spring was not our doing and given the nature of many of those governments, as we recently saw discussed by that Imam/writer great upheaval is more to be expected than calm, short of Saddam style tyranny. If we can not/must not get involved directly to lessen the refugee necessity, the least we can do is move heaven and earth for those that do flee. At the least it’s the kind thing, and gets innocents out of the combat zone.

Just be clear I do not seek to understate our sins over there. Just gotta find a way forward here. I hope.

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CuriousLurker  Sep 3, 2015 • 9:05:19am

re: #8 CuriousLurker

I didn’t say the Arab Spring was our doing. Just as you said you don’t seek to “understate our sins over there,” I wasn’t seeking to overstate them, which is why I said I can’t help but “wonder how much…”

Afghanistan was unstable long before we arrived there, but the Arab Spring aside, our hands are hardly clean WRT to Syria and especially Iraq.

My point was that we made a contribution—regardless of how great or small—to this wave of human suffering. That troubles my conscience greatly (as I’m sure it does yours). Actions have consequences, often unforeseen and unforeseeable ones—we should remember that next time our leaders want to rush in somewhere.

Like my daddy used to say, “The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.”

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Great White Snark  Sep 3, 2015 • 10:21:00am

re: #10 CuriousLurker

Quite right CL, so much has happened. And yes our contribution has been awful. I call the effort against DAESH the war on simmer. Not hot, not cold but maybe just wrong instead of right. Refugees are a consequence of everything that has gone wrong there. The sum of all the horrible parts.

The bare minimum we must do is take care of these people. And yes if Europe won’t have them we must welcome them here. Something else tugs at my conscience too.

The civilized world stood by in the Armenian genocide and frankly was quite hard of Jewish refugees before WW2. We really must apply all these lesson of history.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2015 • 3:24:35pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2015 • 3:25:44pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2015 • 3:45:08pm
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bratwurst  Sep 3, 2015 • 6:41:29pm
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CuriousLurker  Sep 3, 2015 • 8:34:02pm

re: #15 bratwurst

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Shame, shame, shame indeed—all three of them are among the 15 wealthiest countries in the world (based on GDP per capita). Saudi Arabia especially chaps my hide because it’s not only the birthplace of Islam, but also holds the city towards which every observant Muslim in the world—including refugees—prays five times a day, and to which millions of Muslims travel every year to fulfill one of the five pillars of Islam (Hajj).

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Great White Snark  Sep 3, 2015 • 8:45:38pm

The Cranberries song comes to mind. Zombies.

Video

Another head hangs lowly
Child is slowly taken
And the violence caused such silence
Who are we mistaking
But you see it’s not me
It’s not my family
In your head in your head
They are fighting

With their tanks and their bombs
And their bombs and their guns
In your head in your head they are crying

(Chorus)
In your head
In your head
Zombie zombie zombie ei ei
What’s in your head
In your head.
Zombie, zombie, zombie ei, ei, ei, oh do,do,do,do,do,do,do,do

Another mother’s breaking
heart is taken over
And the violence causes silence
We must be mistaken
It’s the same old thing since 1916
In your head in your head
They’re still fighting
With their tanks and their bombs
And their bombs and their guns
In your head in your head they are dying

(Chorus)

Songwriters
O’RIORDAN, DOLORES MARY

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The_Mess  Sep 3, 2015 • 9:22:39pm

And fuck Orban.

But in all this darkness, there’s hope, for people in Europe are calling for the powers that be to help and offering what ever they can, despite the arsewitts calling for these refugees to be denied their human rights. This is merely the start of what will likely be the greatest refugee crisis of the 21st century, as climate change hits farming areas, let us not fuck it up.

Also fuck my own NZ government for fucking around, in particular our PM’s mum was a Jewish refugee and yet he minces around over this and says we “might” raise our paltry, pathetically low refugee quota of 750/year.

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The War TARDIS  Sep 4, 2015 • 10:18:35am

re: #18 The_Mess

The US also has a miserably low number in terms taking refugees.

Which is terrible, because we could take in a huge number of people. We have cities still suffering from depopulation, a falling unemployment rate, and a large population to support them.

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Teukka  Sep 4, 2015 • 5:23:23pm

Shameless plug on something I paged about another facet of the problem.
Trying to Follow What Is Going on in Syria and Why? This Comic Will Get You There in 5 Minutes.

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aagcobb  Sep 4, 2015 • 5:52:01pm

Yes, the US can and should have much more liberal policies for accepting refugees. Not only is it the morally right thing to do, it also actually benefits us. And to those xenophobic haters on the Right, its what Jesus would do.

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Nyet  Sep 5, 2015 • 3:11:53am

re: #8 CuriousLurker

Around 01:14:

I can’t help but wonder how much of this is on us, thanks to our involvement in those places after 9/11. *sigh*

Much more than the US is apparently willing to take the responsibility for by helping any significant number of the refugees.

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CuriousLurker  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:28:25am

Political cartoon published in Saudi Arabia’s Makkah newspaper:

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CuriousLurker  Sep 5, 2015 • 9:54:22am

WARNING: The article linked to below contains a photo of the drowned Syrian child being removed from the beach in Turkey.

In contrast to the cartoon above (h/t CriticalDragon1177):


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