Here’s a very fun, funny and informative video By Tom Reimann from cracked, on conspiracy theories.
Morgan Whitaker exposes where wingnuts are getting their “information” on “the evil, un-American, Kenyan, Marxist Muslim” Obama. This story is about a year old, but its still relevant today.
Figures of President Barack Obama with the word “Hoax” are on display at the Conservative Political Action conference (CPAC) in Washington on February 10, 2011. Kevin Lamarque/Reuters
David Jackson, of Belmont, NC, does not like President Obama. He doesn’t like much of anything President Obama does. But he thinks the president has done a great many things that in fact never happened.
MSNBC Contributor Jonathan Capehart traveled to Belmont shortly after Sen. Ted Cruz’s pseudo-filibuster to gauge public opinion of the Affordable Care Act as the health insurance exchanges were about to open.
That’s where he met David Jackson, who shared his thoughts on Obamacare (he hates it) and Obama (likewise). Many of the claims Jackson made were almost astonishing in their inaccuracy, but in almost all cases, they can be traced back to some of the biggest names in the right-wing media sphere.
Here’s a breakdown of some of the sources of Jackson’s firmly-held beliefs.
Oh the supreme court forcing states to allow gay people to marry is so “tyrannical,” just like when they made them allow people of different “races” to marry. Oh to make it even worse, he thinks they’re going to take our guns! OMG the horror! Oh and off course Steve Deace claims he doesn’t advocate violence, even through he clearly says a violent revolution maybe necessary to stop the “evil” gays. Man, gun control and the near inevitable future of legalized same sex marriage is driving religious right wingnuts over the edge! Miranda Blue reports,
Richard Mack, the former sheriff of Graham County, Arizona, who now heads the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association, told Steve Deace yesterday that although he is a “pacifist,” states and counties need to enforce their “sovereignty” in areas like marriage equality and gun control, or else “we will lose liberty in America, and we will not get it back unless there’s bloodshed.”
Mack, who argues that county sheriffs are not accountable to federal authority and so should not enforce laws that they believe violate the Constitution, told Deace that America has been losing liberty for a long time, but “it took a tyrant and communist in our own White House to wake a lot of people up.”
“And I will tell you this, if we do not, if the counties and cities and states do not exercise their proper constitutional authority, known as state sovereignty and the 10th Amendment, if they do not enforce their own state sovereignty and secure their state sovereignty, then America will die,” he said. “If we do not exercise the 10th Amendment and state sovereignty, we will lose liberty in America, and we will not get it back unless there’s bloodshed.”
Mr Hawking and most religious leaders would agree. Why does poverty beget violence? Connect the dots from that stone age club, to bronze weapons, to steel, then explosives, then guns, and now nuclear weapons with global reach. Strategic arms deals can only reduce a part of this. Gun control can only have an effect in those limited circumstances.
Resolve our aggression, our willingness to harm one another and every weapon including the bare fist becomes far less dangerous. Gun control? sure. Nation to nation peace deals ? Excellent. Reduce poverty, another step forward. But as we do all those things, we have to come back to our primitive nature and overcome it.
Aggression is the human race’s biggest failing and it “threatens to destroy us all”, Stephen Hawking has said, urging people to be more empathetic.
Professor Hawking spoke at the Science Museum while giving a tour to Californian Adaeze Uyanwah, who beat 10,000 international entrants to win a special trip to London, in which he is shown the sights by celebrity guides. “The human failing I would most like to correct is aggression,” the astrophysicist said. “It may have had survival advantage in caveman days, to get more food, territory or a partner with whom to reproduce, but now it threatens to destroy us all.”
The human quality the scientist would most like to magnify was empathy. “It brings us together in a peaceful loving state.”
Added bold is all mine. this was an awkward way to go about gun control anyway. It clearly impacts the law abiding far more than felons, and is by that definition inefficient and intrusive at best. Gonna have to do better than that. Like universal registration. And perhaps a recognition the 2nd applies to other weapons besides firearms. So far only one state supreme court has recognized that rather glaring omission. Allow people other options than guns and they may just take them up instead. The case was funded by the Second Amendment Foundation.
Mance v. Holder
Indeed, in his ruling, U.S. District Court Judge Reed O’Connor of the Northern District of Texas, Fort Worth Division, writes, “(T)he Court finds that the federal interstate handgun transfer ban burdens conduct that falls within the scope of the Second Amendment.”
The judge later added, “By failing to provide specific information to demonstrate the reasonable fit between this ban and illegal sales and lack of notice in light of the Brady Act amendments to the 1968 Gun Control Act, the ban is not substantially related to address safety concerns. Thus, even under intermediate scrutiny, the federal interstate handgun transfer ban is unconstitutional on its face.”
CCRKBA and the individual plaintiffs are represented by Virginia attorney Alan Gura.
“It is bizarre and irrational to destroy the national market for an item that Americans have a fundamental right to purchase,” Gura observed. “Americans would never tolerate a ban on the interstate sale of books or contraceptives. And Americans are free to buy rifles and shotguns outside their state of residence, so long as the dealers respect the laws of the buyer’s home state. We’re gratified that the Court agreed that handguns should be treated no differently.”
From Gunssavelives dot net via CCRBKA
Harmon Leon has found some gifts for your gun totting, Bible Believing, National Rifle Association, New World Order resisting wingnut friends this Christmas.
Gun-themed T-shirts make for some of the best comic material in the world. And online retail sites, such as Patriot Depot, not only sell “funny” gun T-shirts, they also provide an explanation on why the particular T-shirt is “funny”—in case the humor isn’t self evident. I recently took a trip through the online retail world, and came away with these 10 contestants for funny-crazy.
1) Two Things Every American Should Know How To Use. Neither Of Which Are Taught in SchoolsTwo Things Every American Should Know How to Use…. Neither of Which are Taught in Schools
THE DESCRIPTION: “There is a war going on in our schools to reeducate our children on two things that are so vitally important to the American way of life. The Bible and guns. How far are they going to go before we take a stand and move to protect our freedoms and liberties? Put a stop to Obama and the rest of the Left and encourage everyone else to do the same! Order your ‘Two Things Every American Should Know How to Use’ t-shirt today!”
MY TAKE: Yes, those schools are too busy teaching us stupid lies—like how dinosaurs weren’t the playmates of our ancestors. Stupid schools. I’ll give anyone a crisp $20 bill if they send me a photo of themselves wearing this T-shirt in public.
Read more at Alternet and please let me know what you think of this fine wingnut merchandise.
Hooooow refeshing to see a foreigner give his view about the gun culture in America!!
Fair warning though, it’s a bit not safe for work cause there’s a lot a fucking swearing!!
Gun regulations megapost:
I’ve gotten accused of a lot of frankly weird things in talking about gun rights, but one of the main things has been being too verbose and asking too many questions. I feel this is an incredibly unfair and frankly baffling contention, since gun rights are a dense, tricky subject, interfacing with property rights, self-defense rights, public safety, privacy, and a host of other issues and to treat them at all seriously you need to go into it in depth.
Still, to keep things to a minimum, I am going to lay out my thinking in this here megapost. I am going to include counterarguments where I can, and do a synthesis where I can.
You will notice a lack of reference to the 2nd amendment. This is because referencing the 2nd amendment is not an argument, but just a citation of fact. The majority of gun regulation laws decided at the Supreme Court level have been decided by a 5-4 majority. The constitutionality of gun ownership as an individual right, or as a highly unregulated right, etc. is as tenuous, if not more, than the privacy rights and abortion rights guaranteed in Roe v. Wade. The dissents make compelling arguments for guns as a collective right with self-defense as the individual right. Anyone who relies on the 2nd amendment during an argument about what our gun policy should be is missing the point: The question is what policy we should have. The 2nd amendment is not a part of that conversation except to the extent that it offers an argument. The argument in the 2nd amendment for the possession of guns is the need for a militia, and so the 2nd amendment, on its own, is a very weak, very poor argument.
1. For any firearm regulations to really change in the US, gun culture has to change.
This is rather obvious, but it needs to be stressed. The push, in the wake of school shooting tragedies, for legislation addressing the problem is not helpful. It is not helpful because these laws tend to be badly written, but also because, even if there is political will in the wake of a tragedy, that ground gained would not be permanent and can be rolled back. We would not be celebrating the gay rights victories in the courts if the culture of the US wasn’t also becoming more and more tolerant of gay people.
Counterargument: Changing laws will change culture. The Civil Rights movement wouldn’t have gotten anywhere if it didn’t focus on legal changes.
Rebuttal: This is relatively difficult to argue, but I don’t think it holds water because we have numerous examples to show that it doesn’t. Prohibition didn’t change US drinking culture for the better, it actually made it worse. The anti-abortion culture in the US has made abortion rights restrict even while gay rights expand. Laws are absolutely a part of this change, but they should capitalize on cultural change, not be expected to produce it on its own. The Civil Rights movement was very much a cultural as well as a legalistic force.
2. Guns are a tool designed for a purpose. The purpose of guns is to kill things. That guns are also used for plinking tin cans and for target shooting does not eradicate their actual purpose, which is to kill. Among the things they are designed to kill is human beings.
Counterargument: Guns are for fun, some guns can’t kill a human being, guns are for threatening and not for killing.
Rebuttal: Each of these may be true, but the reason that guns were invented, the improvements to their design, their central purpose is to kill. Corner cases do not contradict this.
3. If a person has a gun, they should be trained to use that gun for the purpose that they bought the gun for. This may seem like common sense, but there’s a surprising amount of pushback against this. Still, if one starts from the beginning, I think this contention is a very powerful one. If someone buys a gun for self-defense, then they should be able to defend themselves with that gun. If someone buys a gun for hunting, they should be able to hunt with that gun. They should be able to do these things safely, without presenting an undue risk to themselves or others. If they cannot use the gun safely for the purpose that they bought it for, then there is no purpose for which they actually have the gun.
Counterargument: Honestly, I have a hard time finding a counterargument to this. Currently, in many, many states, you can just buy a gun and keep it at home with zero training. This makes minimal sense, and I think is a large part of the PR problem of the gun community, that it has such a low barrier to entry. Many other places have an incredibly law bar to even carry a concealed weapon around, like Florida, where a hunter safety course is enough to get you a CCW. I have not yet had anyone articulate an actual reason why people who want a gun for a purpose should not get the training necessary to use and be tested on that training.
I have seen the argument that some current gun training courses are already sufficient for this. I’m fine with that argument, as long as that contention gets tested.
4. Gun bans are counterproductive, expending political capital for little return. The number of guns in the US is already so high that bans do little to affect actual numbers. Gun bans turn people who are just ignorant and/or fearful into criminals, when a better solution can be found.
Counterargument: Gun bans lower gun violence.
Rebuttal: While it may be true, though hard to prove, that bans alone can reduce gun violence, there are lots of places with gun bans and high gun violence, because the guns are simply brought in from more lax areas. There is little point to having a gun ban in the city when anyone can just drive into the city with a gun. This also leads to people who are legal carriers passing through another jurisdiction being arrested, which is a waste of time and money. Gun bans expend a ton of political capital and tend to focus on ‘villain’ guns like ‘assault rifles’, while cheap handguns contribute far, far more to gun violence. In theory, I kind of support the ‘right’ of a city to decide gun regulations inside it, but I see it as really besides the point and counterproductive.
5. Most people buying guns for self-defense don’t need them, and actually increase their risk by buying them. People look at the national numbers for crime and come to the conclusion that they are at risk for violent crime, but the simple truth is that most people are not at any particular risk for violent crime, and where they are at risk, it is from intimate partners, friends, or family, and a gun would be unlikely to be useful. Stranger crime—being attacked by someone you don’t know—is rare, and it is very rare in most places. It mostly occurs in particular areas of cities, along drug corridors, and between criminals or those who live among criminals. People need to assess their actual situational safety and not use national numbers, and they need to honestly self-assess their risk of gun accidents, too.
Counterargument: Even though the risk may be low, who is to say what’s too low? People have a right to make themselves safe even against unlikely fears.
Rebuttal: Guns are not just a danger to the person who has them, but to society at large. They can be stolen—which many, many guns are each year—or be used in suicides. We would not support the right of people to burn tires in their back yard to drive away rabid raccoons; the actual likelihood of an event has got to count for something, and the risk of the response to that event. Furthermore, this touches on one of the worst aspects of gun culture, the paranoid “You’re never safe” attitude, the vigilante attitude, that causes problems far beyond the actual physical gun problems.
Finally, we should remember that most gun owners are just ordinary people. Most gun owners are not the fetishists, and the bad habits of gun culture come from a minority of yahoos. Gun owners, in general, take gun ownership seriously. My proposals, I feel, would strengthen the gun community and protect them, long-term, against the loss of gun rights. In the current moment, more and more antipathy towards gun owners is building up in ordinary people, partially because of the unwillingness to compromise—but this unwillingness is mainly pushed from groups like the NRA. I think that responsible gun owners exist and are reachable, but that they have been propagandized for a long, long time and need to be approached rationally and patiently. We should remember that we live in a very safe country in general, and that most violent crime is confined to intra-group violence in areas that need a sociological solution.
I would also note that the proposal I’m making for training and testing doesn’t touch at all on the ‘good character’ thing which is so often cited.
If you’ve read this whole thing, thank you for your time and attention. If you feel I’ve made any errors, please point them out. All I ask is that, given I took time and care with this post, you take time and care in your reply. If I am in error, show where I am in error and actually demonstrate it, construct an argument, not just an assertion. This topic needs to be approached soberly and judiciously: it is not going to go away, and if responsible gun owners don’t step up, their gun rights may be severely restricted within our lifetime.
Check out the NRA’s latest anti control proposal. In a Think Progress Video, I originally saw over at Wonkette ( where we had a lot of fun making fun of it ), Billy Johnson, proposed for lack of a better term “Gun Socialism.”
Kyle Kulinski ( Secular Talk ) Created an excellent response video to Billy Johnson’s “Gun Socialism”
I have to agree with Kulinski.
How would putting guns into the hands of children stop school shootings? We’re supposed to trust little kids now, who are barely mature enough to survive on their own to use dangerous weapons?
Also I’ll bet, Johnson expects us to believe the old myth that more guns equals less crime, sorry but it doesn’t exactly work that way.
His idea may fall in line with the most extreme interpretations of the second amendment, but how is he supposed to squire with the wingnut opposition to anything even perceived to be socialist?
Now how is it that Obamacare, which is supposedly socialism and therefor bad, but this isn’t socialism and this is good? I mean he’s advocating the government spend our tax dollars on giving people guns? Not to mention government funded shooting ranges, and “free” ammo? How is it that wingnuts wouldn’t call him a socialist if he was proposing something like this for anything else?
Also the reason why even the most extreme anti gun control advocates in general can’t perceive guns as a need, in the way he says we should, probably has something to do with this fact. Human beings have literally survived for over a million years without guns.
Cross posted from a comment-at Skips Page on this topic
I want to add CCW and open carry is a discussion that we want to happen, I really wish that were not at the behest of a law already signed. The precise requirements and regs work that goes with concealed or open carry and how that has to play out day to day is essential to avoid violence, tragic misunderstandings and worse. Cross posting in my Page on this law.
Thing is click bait screaming memes and headlines add to the problem.
From Huffpo. Not the NRA, nor Brietbart, nor any advocacy site.
You know that gun control is no longer an issue, either pro or con, when both sides try to make you believe that something big has happened when nothing of any real importance happened at all. I’m referring to the gun law just passed in Georgia which is awaiting Governor Nathan Deal’s expected signature, a law described by the New York Times as one of “breathtaking sweep” and by the NRA as a “historic victory for the 2nd Amendment.”
Since I really do believe in evidence-based discussion about guns, I took the trouble to read HB60, as the new law is known. If this law represents a “historic victory” for the 2nd Amendment, the NRA better find someone else to defend the beloved constitutional rights of gun owners. On the other hand, if the editors of Mother Jones really believe that this new law will result in guns being “everywhere” in Georgia, then there must be some place named Georgia other than the state where this law just passed.
Here’s what the bill basically does: 1) It allows guns to be carried in places where liquor is served, which previously had been off-limits for guns; 2) It also allows guns to be carried in churches which, like restaurants and bars, were also off-limits for guns; 3) It further allows guns to be carried in certain non-secure areas of airports, which is really funny since Atlanta’s airport was ranked #1 nationally in the number of guns confiscated in 2013.