re: #1073 Tigger2005

“There is no “requirement” that evolution leads only to selfish, ruthless, cowardly, sex-seeking, baby-making individuals. Consider the beehive. Thousands of the bees are sexless worker drones. Others are warriors who, if the hive is attacked, will instantly sacrifice themselves in an attempt to save the queen bee.”

Depends on whether you are talking about atheistic evolution or theistic evolution. Atheism can have no moral or ethical compass because there is no right or wrong, good or bad in a system made up of beings that live alone in an absurd universe. Logically, atheistic evolution must lead to nihilism. Any attempt to define purpose or meaning is a dead end.

Regarding bees… The workers are females. They are not sexless. There are no warriors, only guards at the entrance of the hive. Every spring the hive sends out many queen bees, and the males (called drones & have no stingers) mate once with one queen. Their penis breaks off inside the queen and it’s all over for the drone. The drones that don’t mate hang around for the summer, then in the early fall the female workers drag them out of the hive. The drones all starve to death and the hive creates more drones in the spring.

I can’t see how anyone who has worked worked with bees can accept atheistic evolution. The complexity of a hive is beyond belief and is a good example of what molecular biologist Michael Behe and others call irreducible complexity. Take out a key component and the whole system fails.

The beehive though, is a great example of what a darwinian world should look like. Ruthless killing and mating that is biologically driven toward survival.

One other thought for those atheistic evolutionists who are worried about our polluting, overpopulating, overheating and misusing our world. IF we are no more than highly evolved animals, then we are just doing what comes natural. Everything from litter to nuclear waste is as natural as fresh dew drops on a leaf. Why do you give a rats @ss if we blow ourselves to hell and back. We are just acting like humans.