re: #1394 avanti

Sorry, I missed the link that proved he was a Commie. I get the association thing, believe me. First assume he’s a Commie because he had leftie associates. Further assume that if he’s a Commie, more than half the country are Commies for voting for him, and thus anyone serving with his administration are Commies.
On here I’m a Commie for defending Obama, but I was a Fascist for defending GW on KOS. I’m now a Commie NAZI.

I haven’t read the whole thread, nor where the argument originated but…

You don’t have to be a full blown Communist, to be a Marxist. You only have to concede that Marx was correct in his diagnosis and indictment of the ‘bourgeoisie’. That Obama is a Marxist shouldn’t be of doubt, particularly of the Maoist New Left variety.

He is fully steeped in class struggle theory, and his own books paint him that way. To be fair, so too are most Republicans ‘Marxists’ in a very broad sense in that the battlefield of diagnosing societal ills and terminology has been conceded. This is part of being in the political culture though, while Obama is actually a willing adherent and proponent of these ideas. The American ‘right-wing’ are Marxists in the same way that all of the Fascists and Liberals in Eastern Europe became Communists. By losing.

Also, anyone dumbass ‘Liberal’ or Progressive that is juxtaposing Communism and Fascism are idiots, as the Communists were Fascists. Marx was an active proponent of a ruling intellectual aristocracy that did not derive its power from the consent of the governed. Like the Fascists he was an advocate of an autocracy. Every government that formed based on the teachings of Marx formed an autocracy of one variety or another. People like Stalin fully cribbed Fascists autocracy and posited that collectivism had to appeal to emotion (ie Russian Patriotism) and to have a charismatic leader as well. Mussolini could arguably called the first Stalinist.

Some prominent political philosophers like Mikhail Bakunin that shared intellectual common ground with Marx (Bakunin being a collectivist anarchist), vehemently disagreed with Marx’s totalitarian bent. They were contemporaries and a lot of respect flowed both ways, however Marx still had Bakunin thrown out of the First International lest he ‘poison’ the movement by denouncing the Fascistic autocracy inherent in his philosophy.

I’m not sold on Obama being a full blown Communist, however that isn’t necessary to indict him as one, as we have plenty of ‘little C’ communists as Ayers put it. You don’t need to be in lock step with Marx in developing the ‘solution’, you just need to agree with his diagnosis of what is ailing the world essentially meaning any solution to a problem will be a misdiagnosis from the outset. I expect a lot of political malpractice coming from Washington in the next four years.