re: #173 reine.de.tout

Sadly, you are unable to recognize that Charles is very clear in differentiating between “all Christendom” and YECers; but you are not clear in making your distinctions obvious.

On the contrary, I did it in my VERY FIRST POST IN THIS THREAD, and the one TO WHICH YOU INITIALLY and GROUNDLESSLY OBJECTED!

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Many people who are opposed to abortion are not just people who would never have one themselves; they are people who would outlaw the procedure for everyone if they could, and many of them relentlessly strive to do just that. That is the very definition of imposing one’s own moral position upon unwilling others.

Pro-choicers are fine with other women choosing to carry their pregnancies to term, and fine with other women choosing to terminate them, if it is done early. In other words, they are fine with the women concerned choosing for themselves what happens with and within their own bodies. Thus, they cannot be accurately described as pro-abortion (that would be the Chinese government, which mandates abortions for all Chinese women after a single childbirth), but as pro-choice.

Many antiabortionists, on the other hand, are actually anti-choice, and not just for themselves, but for all women. They would, if they could (and they keep working on it) legally eliminate the choice of pregnancy termination from the array of alternatives open to women, leaving only one avenue open - to carry each and every pregnancy to term - and that is no choice at all; it is in fact the death of choice -or to be more specific, it’s murder.

To which you answered:

There ya go, Salamantis, and it’s tiresome.
I have a deep deep antipathy and hatred for the abortion procedure.
I am pro-life, anti-abortion.
However, abortion is legal, and there is nothing I can do to make it otherwise. I accept that.

And again, MY energies will be spent doing whatever I can legally and with moral and financial support to encourage and support OTHER choices.

And that is MY decision to make, mine alone, and it does NOT impose ANYTHING on anyone else, but your insistence that I call myself “pro-choice” instead of “pro-life” or “anti-abortion” IS an imposition on me.

First you denigrate my post as “tiresome”, then you claim that I insist that you call yourself “pro-choice”, which I DID NOT DO.

But perhaps the most dismayingly telling part of your post is where, after claimimg to harbor a “deep antipathy and hatred for the abortion procedure”, you say you “accept” that “abortion is legal, and there is nothing I can do to make it otherwise.” To me, that sounds like you REGRET that there is nothing you can do to ban it, and that if you thought you COULD deny every woman on the planet that personal reproductive choice different from your own, that you WOULD.

Considering such language from you, exactly how sure ARE you that you do not stand with the moral imperialists? Perhaps it is not ME who is having problems making such distinctions, but YOU…