re: #16 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Er, yes it does, when it can be shown that it increases criminality.

If they are counterproductive, they are not doing that job. They are in fact making that job harder.

Lots and lots of other shit. A combination of economic, political, and educational reforms are needed. It’s rough. There is no blueprint for certain success, we have to keep trying again in community after community until it’s eradicated, but we can learn from success.

So police stopping people or vehicles with probable cause needs to stop, pending all that social/political/economic and social change? No that can’t be what you mean. Law enforcement has to happen. gangs will eagerly further destroy lives where they can deal awful drugs and gun fight with relative ease.

The problem has been wildly exacerbated by the ever-steepening divide between rich and poor in this country, and social mobility is getting lower and lower. So that’s something that needs to be addressed too.

It will be incredibly difficult, so doing things that are counterproductive, like these police stops, is really a bad idea.

Agreed the areas need these changes. But those take time, may or may not happen with enough impact. None of those things are the job of the police. Their job is to enforce the laws as they are best able.

is it possible that the study has mislaid cause and effect? I sense that possibility. But as I did above giving the study the full benefit of competency, it outlines a catch 22, rather than made a good policy suggestion.