re: #216 ludwigvanquixote

X, cut the crap. There is no self loathing there. Or rather, there is a difference between clearly taking responsibility for the consequences of our actions and self loathing.

Certainly just callig it self loathing is a convienient way for you to avoid thinking about the truths that were written.

We really did destroy our own industrial base and pay to build it in China.

We really did loose out on the deal.

It really did weaken our economy as a whole only to benefit the wealth of a few.

It really did result in vastly more emissions that are now going to be vastly harder to shut down.

Had we gone the other way, thrown up a high tariff wall and instituted more protectionist measures for native industries, might we not have a mess of a different sort on our hands?