re: #230 iceweasel

They don’t actually demonstrably help people. It’s really hard to demonstrate the success or failure for something like AA. There is no good reason to believe they have any effectiveness at all.

There are also two forms of AA: there’s the ‘twelve steps’, which is what AA claims it’s really about, and there are the meetings. AA itself doesn’t claim that meetings help people remain sober, only that following the twelve steps do.

It’s all a very mixed bag, and I think generalized therapy is a lot better than AA, since it doesn’t come with weird evangelical baggage.