re: #238 MinisterO
Dismissing all data is a cop-out. But it would appear that the observed data is not necessarily agreeing with the models. If a model is good, it should be able to fit the data.

Both sides seem to dismiss data though. Suppose that the Hockey Stick is true. We then have data that says that the earth’s temperature is flat. OK, has it been flat forever? If it not always was flat, what are the reasons that the temperature of the globe has ever changed? Or has the temperature been flat for 4 billion years? What about the Ice ages?

Maybe this one has been discussed already, but the BBC is wondering why there currently is global cooling:
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Glanced briefly at one of the papers regarding the “Hockey Stick” referenced in Your text to link…, but it only plotted data from 1850 onwards.

Everyone(?) agrees that the climate has warmed up since 1850. However, it used to be said that the Little Ice Age ended then. After 2000, the Little Ice Age, has suddenly disappeared. To some, it would appear that it is because the belief in AGW and the Hockey Stick trumps scientific reasoning.

I would really appreciate if someone could link to a publication that reconciles the historical records and the “Hockey Stick”. Just a simple link please, not one buried in the references of other publications. The issue must certainly be serious enough to warrant independent study.

As to what was believed to be history until recently…

In the UK, there was the “Frost Fair” Your text to link… on the Thames.

Our (I’m Swedish) Charles X marched across the Belts in 1658 March across the belts.

Another Charles, Charles XII, spent the winter 1708-1709 in the Ukraine with the army during the campaign against Peter the Great. This we are told was the coldest winter in the second millennium. The canals froze in Venice that winter.

Finally, as a Swede, we play ice hockey and bandy, both of which were invented by the British but one cannot play them there now (outside that is), because there is no ice.

From wikipedia:
As a winter sport, British bandy originated in the Fens of East Anglia where large expanses of ice formed on flooded meadows or shallow washes in cold winters, and skating was a tradition. Members of the Bury Fen bandy club published rules of the game in 1882, and introduced it into other countries.