re: #300 austin_blue

Well, if someone is getting .35 cents on the dollar, someone else is getting a shitpot more, aren’t they? That’s politics, my man.

And to your other point, who the heck made de Tocqueville God? Why does a dead Frenchman become the arbiter of the conversation? Local utilities and emergency services are paid by the citizens. They are not privatized organizations. They are socialist by definition. Sheesh.

Of course, Tom Paine is the original secular progressive.

huffingtonpost.com

“Do you like estate taxes? Paine was pitching them in 1791.

How about progressive taxation? Paine wasn’t just for it, he made charts and graphs.

Welfare? Absolutely.

Government make-work programs? Yep. Pay for them with the estate tax.

Public education? Yes, please.

International organizations? Paine said we needed them. Thought they might be useful for preventing wars after we disarmed.

Feminism?

If a woman were to defend the cause of her sex, she might address him in the following manner … If we have an equal right with you to virtue, why should we not have an equal right to praise? … Our duties are different from yours, but they are not therefore less difficult to fulfill, or of less consequence to society … You cannot be ignorant that we have need of courage not less than you … Permit our names to be sometimes pronounced beyond the narrow circle in which we live. Permit friendship, or at least love, to inscribe its emblem on the tomb where our ashes repose; and deny us not that public esteem which, after the esteem of one’s self, is the sweetest reward of well doing. — T. Paine

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And here’s his view on the government and charities, from Agrarian Justice:

There are, in every country, some magnificent charities established by individuals. It is, however, but little that any individual can do, when the whole extent of the misery to be relieved is considered. He may satisfy his conscience, but not his heart. He may give all that he has, and that all will relieve but little. It is only by organizing civilization upon such principles as to act like a system of pulleys, that the whole weight of misery can be removed.

The plan here proposed will reach the whole. It will immediately relieve and take out of view three classes of wretchedness-the blind, the lame, and the aged poor; and it will furnish the rising generation with means to prevent their becoming poor; and it will do this without deranging or interfering with any national measures.