re: #381 lostlakehiker

It is not factually inaccurate that the military operates in ways that would be illegal with civilian employers.

That’s not what I was referring to. I was referring to the many, many, many times you say things that are just plain wrong. Often when you really, really should know better. Like when you claimed no other nation had used a stimulus in response to the economic crisis. You know. Bullshit like that.

So when I’m saying civil rights are secondary, I’m making a factual point: the military does in fact do all these things that by the standards of civil society are violations of civil rights.

No, you’re mixing two classes of civil rights. The right to be open about sexuality exists in the military. At the moment, it exists only for heterosexuals. That is an uneven application of civil rights— an entirely different thing than when the civil rights of all soldiers are suppressed for effectiveness in the same way.

All your other crap about military effectiveness: The pentagon compelted it’s study already. They recommend dropping DADT. Second-guessing them is asinine. Especially when we have the examples of many other military services where gays serve openly.