Allegro —> 511
In your scenario you are not suggesting that the man rapped the woman. As such, she consented to activity that could bring forth a child, and as such, both she and the man have a responsibility to use their property to provide for the health and welfare for the child if a child should be conceived. In addition, according to Harvard’s Peer Contraceptive Counselors, condoms in a standard environment are 90-95% effective hcs.harvard.edu . Thus there is an implicit knowledge between the man and woman that even with using a condom that a child could be conceived. Because of this there still is a consensual implicit contract occurring.

Jamesfirecat —> 533
I never said, nor will argue, that consensual sex is not “for fun”. However you cannot separate the pleasure from the purposes of the act, one of which is allowing for new life. It the equivalent of trying to argue that you should be able to use your eyes for pleasure without seeing objects. You cannot separate the pleasure of using your eyes from seeing the visual world and a mental imprint of the visual world being created in your mind. If you engage in the pleasure of seeing, you allow for the creation of images within your mind. If you engage in the pleasure of sex, you allow for the creation of another person inside of the woman, who you have a responsibility towards.

Allegro —> 536
Yes that is what I am saying. I would go further though saying that the man is committing to a lifelong support for the health and welfare of his child if a child should be conceived. Man is not an animal. He has a moral obligation to love and care for his child as long as that man lives. The failure of some men and of the legal system only speaks to those men and the legal system, not to the reality of the obligations that one has to his offspring.

SanFranciscoZionist —>572- 574
That is fine. I don’t mind disagreement. See my above. I find the attitude that some people have that they are only meant to watch out for the health and welfare of their child until some magical number to be deplorable. Love demands a permanent irrevocable carrying for our offspring and anything less is simply not human. We are all just star stuff, and if this life is all that we have, it is even more contemptible for a man not to offer his child love and health and welfare for as long as that man should live.