FYI: For anyone else who may be reading, the submissions.org site that keyragg referenced belongs to an organization called United Submitters International, whose beliefs put them WAY outside mainstream Islam. As a matter of fact, some of their stuff puts them outside Islam, period.
This is what happens when people who don’t have a clue about the subject they’re trying to discuss start surfing around and willy-nilly grabbing any link that looks like it might support their position.