re: #70 Obdicut

Jesus christ, the way you talk sometimes is fucking ridiculous. Germany didn’t have a ‘will to dominate other nations’. It’s a country. It doesn’t have an identity.

The Nazis got stomped, a lot of Germans had always fucking hated them, and everyone, everywhere was goddamn sick of war.

What you sound like you’re saying is that conditions in Palestine have to resemble those in Germany at the end of WWII in order for the Palestinians to give up their ‘dream’.

I don’t always agree with DF, but on this point, I believe he is correct for at least a portion of the Palestinian population. Peace follows surrender. Rarely have countries made peace in midst of war that was undecided. It has happened, but more common is that there is a victor and a loser. Once one admits defeat, the path to peace becomes more clear. It is difficult for Palestinians to get consensus on a path to peace because many are unwilling to acknowledge that they have had their ass handed to them time and time again. They are simultaneously the most oppressed people in the world yet somehow are victorious every time they fight. When the military option is considered no longer an option, a negotiated peace becomes immediately attractive. Historically this has not been as big an issue for some as most countries have not hesitated to wipe out the opposition when they had the chance. For a variety of reasons Israel has never done so. It could, in days if it wanted to.