Pelosi Admits Being Told About Waterboarding, But...

Pelosi Admits Being Told About Waterboarding, But…

PoliticsApril 2009 • Views: 3,694

In an interview with CNN’s Candy Crowley, Nancy Pelosi has changed her story again; now she says she was briefed on waterboarding—but she was told the CIA wasn’t going to use it.

Candy Crowley — a tough, well-informed and underrated interviewer — kicked it off by asking the Speaker about about a column by former CIA director and ex-House intel chairman Porter Goss accusing Democrats of collective “amnesia” for urging investigations of waterboarding after remaining relatively mute during those first classified briefings.

PELOSI: Well, first of all, let me say that perhaps we do live in an alternate universe, Porter and I.

Porter’s orientation is that he was a member of the CIA before he came to Congress and he speaks now as a former director of the Central Intelligence Agency.

CROWLEY: Is he wrong?

PELOSI: Perhaps he is seeing it from his perspective. If they say we have a legal opinion, it means we’re going to use it. That’s not how I heard it. They said they had a legal opinion. They said they weren’t going to use and when they did they would come back to Congress to report to us on that. But that’s how I heard that.

Man, that’s pathetic.

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182 comments

acwgusa Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:15:43am

Lying STUPID OLD CRONE!

LGoPs Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:16:55am

This woman is a disgrace to thinking people, whatever their party.

pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:17:28am

FLAMING PANTS!

[deleted] Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:17:53am

LGoPs Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:18:11am

Put her under oath.

simonml Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:18:13am

"You knew they were going to use it."
"It depends on how you define 'use it' Ms. Crowley"

JohnnyReb Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:18:44am

A super duper triple back flip flop! And the East German judge gives her a 5.5.

Baier Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:18:53am

Ugh...Politicians make me sick.

acwgusa Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:19:12am

re: #5 LGoPs

Put her under oath.

She'd lie. Oaths mean nothing to her.

Ward Cleaver Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:19:26am

She's a lying sack.

brent Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:19:27am

And dragonlady, when they came back and said they used it, how did you 'view' that?

That botox is rotting your brain, ma'ame.

simonml Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:19:29am

"Its all about perspective. He told us they were going to use enhanced techniques, but I knew I could deny it later for political gain. You see, different perspectives." -Pelosi

Russkilitlover Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:20:00am

Bitch.

Ward Cleaver Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:20:01am

re: #7 JohnnyReb

A super duper triple back flip flop! And the East German judge gives her a 5.5.

Wunderbar!

Ward Cleaver Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:20:36am

re: #6 simonml

"You knew they were going to use it."
"It depends on how you define 'use it' Ms. Crowley"

How Clintonian.

Erik The Red Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:20:36am

FUCKING LYING CONNIVING BITCH

LGoPs Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:20:40am

PELOSI: Perhaps he is seeing it from his perspective

Translation: The facts are whatever the fuck I think they are.

alegrias Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:20:47am

Pelosi was EX OFFICIO, a member of the Gang of Four that was privy to the top intelligence on 9/11/01 and days after.

She's a lying disgrace and Californians ought to toss her shrivelled BOTOX polluted person from office if they care about their safety and their children and their country.

Gus Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:20:52am

The Hokey Pelosi

IBD Cartoon by Michael Ramirez.

KenJen Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:20:57am

Amnesia and lock-jaw. Two symptoms senatoritus.

Dianna Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:21:11am

So, does anyone actually believe this latest story?

Gella Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:21:12am

so, now she pretends she is deaf and blind?

Ward Cleaver Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:21:24am

I know how to get the truth out of her - waterboard her.

Ward Cleaver Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:21:46am

re: #21 Dianna

So, does anyone actually believe this latest story?

Why, hell no.

J.D. Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:21:49am

The Hokey Pelosi

lawhawk Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:21:51am

But... she's a mo-ron? /

Seriously, she's barely capable of believing the baffling BS she's spewing on a daily basis. She can barely keep up with the claptrap that she's touting every day, it's no wonder she can't keep track of what she says to the media.

J.D. Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:22:02am

re: #19 Gus 802

The Hokey Pelosi

IBD Cartoon by Michael Ramirez.

gmta

Dianna Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:22:33am

re: #18 alegrias

Pelosi was EX OFFICIO, a member of the Gang of Four that was privy to the top intelligence on 9/11/01 and days after.

She's a lying disgrace and Californians ought to toss her shrivelled BOTOX polluted person from office if they care about their safety and their children and their country.

I so wish they would.

acwgusa Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:22:45am

re: #18 alegrias

Pelosi was EX OFFICIO, a member of the Gang of Four that was privy to the top intelligence on 9/11/01 and days after.

She's a lying disgrace and Californians ought to toss her shrivelled BOTOX polluted person from office if they care about their safety and their children and their country.

We won't. And you can bet your paycheck that come the next election, the boneheads who destroyed California are going to have Newsom as Governor.

Gus Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:22:51am

re: #27 J.D.

gmta

Yeah, I couldn't resist. He captures her physical attributes well. Pelosi as the dancing fool.

alegrias Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:22:56am

CALIFORNIANS, your reputation is at stake here.

Pelosi is the 3rd in line after Pres. Obama. She committed dereliction of duty saying she was out of the loop on 9/11/01 matters. Why does she get an Air Force One plane if she's just a little wallflower?

Get her out of office please.

midwestgak Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:23:04am

The Onion
CIA Headquarters Disappears

MCLEAN, VA—Silently, under the cover of darkness, the national headquarters of the CIA vanished Tuesday, leaving no sign that it had ever been there at all. The multibuilding campus of the intelligence-gathering agency reportedly disappeared without warning, taking with it all occupants and leaving in its place 258 acres of peaceful woodland. "I don't know what you're referring to," National Intelligence Director Dennis C. Blair said. "I've never heard of this headquarters or the agency it supposedly housed. There's no story here." An anonymous source claimed to have more information on the incident, but a reporter dispatched to meet him in a Langley, VA parking garage found the facility empty, and left having only heard a few dull thuds and the squealing of tires.

VegasRick Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:23:26am

re: #21 Dianna

So, does anyone actually believe this latest story?

No.

Will anyone actually defend this latest story?

Yes. Where is Avanti anyway?

brent Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:23:57am

so, does anyone believe her...?

Depends on what you mean by believe her... I believe her in the context of anything else that comes out of her mouth. I believe that they actually met face to face, and everything else is complete dogsh*t.

acwgusa Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:24:04am

re: #31 alegrias

CALIFORNIANS, your reputation is at stake here.

Pelosi is the 3rd in line after Pres. Obama. She committed dereliction of duty saying she was out of the loop on 9/11/01 matters. Why does she get an Air Force One plane if she's just a little wallflower?

Get her out of office please.

Reputation? HA!

Gus Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:24:20am

PELOSI: Well, first of all, let me say that perhaps we do live in an alternate universe, Porter and I.

The Speaker of the House is using phrases like "alternate universe."

I think the Botox has leaked into her brain.

Dianna Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:24:41am

re: #29 acwgusa

We won't. And you can bet your paycheck that come the next election, the boneheads who destroyed California are going to have Newsom as Governor.

Oh, no. I think you're right, but I really wish you weren't.

Gavin's been a disaster. He couldn't have been much else, given the Board of Supervisors, but he didn't help.

Ben Hur Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:25:14am

Prix

100% reality-free cereal.

Liberally Sugar Coated Bullshit Puffs.

brookly red Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:25:17am

I wonder if it's her turn for a ride under O's bus?

Capitalist Tool Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:25:18am

Nancy: "I blinked and missed that part."

Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:25:50am

re: #25 J.D.

The Hokey Pelosi

I wish I had access to YouTube from work. There's a really funny clip of a comedian talking about AC/DC performing the Hokey Pokey. I think it's Jim Bruer.

simonml Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:25:51am

re: #40 Capitalist Tool

Nancy: "I blinked and missed that part."

That's a story I'll actually believe!

Baier Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:25:54am

re: #26 lawhawk

But... she's a mo-ron? /

Seriously, she's barely capable of believing the baffling BS she's spewing on a daily basis. She can barely keep up with the claptrap that she's touting every day, it's no wonder she can't keep track of what she says to the media.

I think it can be easily explained.
After she stops talking her jowls keep flapping as gas escapes her mouth from her taco lunch causing sounds to emerge that can be mistaken for words.

FrogMarch Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:25:57am

Democrats are masters at deception.

MandyManners Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:26:12am

Are there no absolutes in her universe?

jamgarr Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:26:26am

re: #5 LGoPs

Put her under ~~oath~~ the bus.

acwgusa Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:26:34am

re: #45 MandyManners

Are there no absolutes in her universe?

Only Botox and Entitlement.

Dianna Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:27:03am

re: #45 MandyManners

Are there no absolutes in her universe?

Well, she believes that she can dictate what the Catholic Church's position is. So I guess she thinks she's the absolute?

FrogMarch Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:27:06am

The universe where facts change depending on the political atmosphere.

KingKenrod Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:27:07am

Even if Pelosi isn't lying, from her view as a legislator, she should have been most concerned about the legal justification for waterboarding, not the executive decision of whether or not the CIA planned to use it.

I don't see the difference between being told "It's legal and we won't use it" and "It's legal and we will use it" from a legislator's standpoint. It's the legal part she should have been concerned with, and she was silent.

J.D. Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:27:28am

So... this makes her a war criminal.

Is Pelosi a War Criminal?

lawhawk Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:27:38am

Obama calls the first 100 days tense, but fruitful? Who's he kidding? It's the most work he's ever had to do, and what exactly has he done that warrants being called fruitful? He's spent more in that first 100 days than any president in the history of the nation - and that's just the starter. That's not exactly an accomplishment since there's no way anyone can ever repay it in their lifetime. That will be up to some other president to clean up his mess.

He's met with thugs and dictators and insulted friends. That's not exactly fruitful either.

If he means that he's doled out the pork to his friends and watched as his political opponents flail helplessly, I'll cede on that point. But for most Americans, this hasn't exactly been 100 days to remember (even though the media has been trying to show something for it every step of the way).

Dianna Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:27:48am

I need to go run some errands.

Please keep bashing Pelosi. Dreadful woman.

LGoPs Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:27:50am

PELOSI: Perhaps he is seeing it from his perspective. If they say we have a legal opinion, it means we’re going to use it. That’s not how I heard it. They said they had a legal opinion. They said they weren’t going to use and when they did they would come back to Congress to report to us on that. But that’s how I heard that.

That's not even coherent. She contradicts herself at least twice. And this woman is one of the most powerful people in the United States?
We are in such deep trouble.

pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:27:54am

Pelosi was twisting and squirming, trying to deflect and change the subject.
Gee, I wonder what that might imply?

Russkilitlover Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:27:54am

re: #21 Dianna

So, does anyone actually believe this latest story?

Haven't believed ANY of the stories.

Ward Cleaver Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:28:12am

re: #45 MandyManners

Are there no absolutes in her universe?

She's in an alternate universe.

Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:28:34am

Maybe she thought waterboarding had something to do with surfing. I mean she is from California. (I know, she's originally from Maryland, but I don't like to admit it).

acwgusa Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:28:48am

re: #57 Ward Cleaver

She's in an alternate universe.

She'd have a goatee.

Occasional Reader Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:28:55am

An aside:

Candy Crowley — a tough, well-informed and underrated interviewer

I'm guessing you have trouble getting taken seriously as "tough" and "well-informed" if your name is "Candy".

Such is life.

Erik The Red Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:29:00am

Please remind me why I am returning to the US. We have 44, Pelosi, Barney Rubble and all the Congress Critters.

Oh yeah I remember. We are still the strongest and greatest fucking COUNTRY in this fucked up world.
_{excuse the language I have a a shocking day and am in a charming mood}

calcajun Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:29:09am

"Rick, I'm shocked! Shocked, to find gambling going on in this establishment!"

simonml Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:29:10am

From the article

PELOSI: To what end? To what end? No, we're not -- they didn't say they were doing it. But you know what, I'm not getting into that. The fact is, is that I know what they told us and I know that they did not share our values.
So any briefing that you would get from the Bush administration on the subject is one that is probably something you're not going to agree with, and two, maybe not the whole truth anyway.

When in doubt, call Bush a liar.

JohnnyReb Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:29:35am

re: #59 acwgusa

She'd have a goatee.

The booth for this one?

Occasional Reader Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:29:44am

re: #50 KingKenrod

Even if Pelosi isn't lying, from her view as a legislator, she should have been most concerned about the legal justification for waterboarding, not the executive decision of whether or not the CIA planned to use it.

I don't see the difference between being told "It's legal and we won't use it" and "It's legal and we will use it" from a legislator's standpoint. It's the legal part she should have been concerned with, and she was silent.

dingdingdingding

Nancy seems to think she was tasked with RUNNING CIA covert ops!

VioletTiger Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:29:48am

Apparently, she assumes she is untouchable in the Obama world. And the MSM won't take her to task on it.

Jewels (AKA Julian) Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:29:55am

Well...after reading this over...I think We'll have a nerk that out does Jimmy Carter in sheer Frippery with inside the year. Congradulations, Obama, your place in history is assured

A Man for all Seasons Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:30:03am

re: #61 Erik The Red

Please remind me why I am returning to the US. We have 44, Pelosi, Barney Rubble and all the Congress Critters.

Oh yeah I remember. We are still the strongest and greatest fucking COUNTRY in this fucked up world.
_{excuse the language I have a a shocking day and am in a charming mood}

Hiya Erik!

joncelli Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:30:10am

Ah, so THAT'S what the meaning of "is" is.

Randall Gross Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:30:27am

Pathetic and Pelosick

calcajun Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:30:53am

re: #51 J.D.

So... this makes her a war criminal.

Is Pelosi a War Criminal?

If so, let's send her to one of those countries that want to try GWB and others for war crimes on a fact-finding tour.

Erik The Red Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:31:23am

re: #68 HoosierHoops

Hiya Erik!

Morning 2H. Hope your day goes better than mine did. I have another shit one tomorrow :(

acwgusa Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:31:42am

re: #64 JohnnyReb

The booth for this one?

I laugh at your booth. It looks like a beaten TARDIS.

Pious Agnostic Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:31:48am

The most amazing thing about this is that ain't so amazing. Democrat Senator lies to our face? That's amazing?

Nope.

Now, if she's said "You know, you caught me. I was trying to distance myself from this whole 'waterboarding' thing by pretending that I wasn't told all about it when it happened all those years ago. At the time, I knew it was the right thing to do, but in the years since 9/11 my party has decided that it isn't helpful to their political prospects to keep up the War on Terror, so we don't want anything to do with it now. So, I've been dodging the issue, but now that you've got me pinned down, I admit that I knew all about waterboarding, and approved it at the time, and up until this point, have been lying about it."

THAT would be...amazing!

Lincolntf Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:31:50am

re: #63 simonml

What the hell did Pelosi think she was being shown? Next year's fall line of Gitmo fashions?
She's a liar and everyone knows it. She will remain one of the most powerful people in the nation despite of that. Pathetic.

Gus Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:32:31am

Nancy Pelosi.

She should be on her way back to Syria and Iran soon after.

Image: nancy-pelosi-syria.jpg

jamgarr Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:32:45am

re: #74 Pious Agnostic

The most amazing thing about this is that ain't so amazing. Democrat Senator lies to our face? That's amazing?

Nope.

Now, if she's said "You know, you caught me. I was trying to distance myself from this whole 'waterboarding' thing by pretending that I wasn't told all about it when it happened all those years ago. At the time, I knew it was the right thing to do, but in the years since 9/11 my party has decided that it isn't helpful to their political prospects to keep up the War on Terror, so we don't want anything to do with it now. So, I've been dodging the issue, but now that you've got me pinned down, I admit that I knew all about waterboarding, and approved it at the time, and up until this point, have been lying about it."

THAT would be...amazing!

Now who's in an alternate universe?!

Baier Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:32:53am

re: #75 Lincolntf

What the hell did Pelosi think she was being shown? Next year's fall line of Gitmo fashions?
She's a liar and everyone knows it. She will remain one of the most powerful people in the nation despite of that. Pathetic.

I doubt she was paying attention.

Pious Agnostic Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:33:18am

re: #77 jamgarr

Now who's in an alternate universe?!

Hey, I can dream...

shane Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:33:35am

Plausible denability;
She is so used to lying and everyone that she admires and does business with lying that she expects that anything told to her is a lie, so she didn't know that she was supposed to believe someone when she was told something.

Eowyn2 Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:33:46am

the alternate universe is a true statement.

What a pile of Pelosi!

Dave the..... Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:33:51am

Back when I worked in retail sales, we called this "tap dancing". When you get caught saying something you shouldn't have and need to change our story on the fly.

jcm Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:34:03am

The face is to tight, it's cutting off oxygen to the brain.

VegasRick Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:34:11am

re: #78 Baier

I doubt she was paying ~~attention~~her taxes.

Ben Hur Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:34:30am

Wow.

What a poker face.

vxbush Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:34:51am

re: #81 Eowyn2

the alternate universe is a true statement.

What a pile of Pelosi!

I like our new definition of sh!t.

Buck Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:35:02am

I wonder if Code Pink is still in front of her house protesting....

Zombie? Can you find out? I just wonder if the Code Pink women are buying this?

Baier Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:35:03am

re: #84 VegasRick

Hey, taxes are for plebes.

Ben Hur Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:35:04am

Swine flu
Not so different from a normal trip to Mexico.

Randall Gross Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:35:41am

Stretching the definition of "Plausible Deniability" out to the orbit of Pluto.

Ben Hur Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:35:53am

BBL

Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:36:00am

Good Morning Lizards!

The house is debating HR 1913 Expanding Hate Crimes Bill right now. It's on C-SPAN. Scary Sh!t!

I wonder how the rank-and-file members of law-enforcement feels about it.

How are you-all this morning?

VioletTiger Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:36:09am

What I resent even more than the lies, is the fact that the left is politicizing our national security. Plus, they are also going to potentially waste a huge amount of resources to do this, with any trials and investigations. It is shameful.

A Man for all Seasons Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:36:38am

re: #72 Erik The Red

Morning 2H. Hope your day goes better than mine did. I have another shit one tomorrow :(

Ah heck..I've got construction guys tearing up the floors and replacing them with new floor and carpets...I'm hanging with my dog on the deck...

Eowyn2 Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:36:39am

re: #45 MandyManners

Are there no absolutes in her universe?

yes, she is absolutely in bizarro world

Kosh's Shadow Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:37:05am

re: #52 lawhawk

Obama calls the first 100 days tense, but fruitful? Who's he kidding? It's the most work he's ever had to do, and what exactly has he done that warrants being called fruitful? He's spent more in that first 100 days than any president in the history of the nation - and that's just the starter. That's not exactly an accomplishment since there's no way anyone can ever repay it in their lifetime. That will be up to some other president to clean up his mess.

He's met with thugs and dictators and insulted friends. That's not exactly fruitful either.

If he means that he's doled out the pork to his friends and watched as his political opponents flail helplessly, I'll cede on that point. But for most Americans, this hasn't exactly been 100 days to remember (even though the media has been trying to show something for it every step of the way).

Tense, yes. I'm more tense now than any time since 2001.
Far from unclenching their fists, our enemies are sharpening their swords, all because of a weak president.

MandyManners Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:37:06am

re: #85 Ben Hur

Wow.

What a poker face.

I'd fold.

Gus Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:37:17am

More Pelosi BS from that article:

Crowley then asked why she didn't raise objections to the briefers, which riled up the Speaker.

PELOSI: To what end? To what end? No, we're not -- they didn't say they were doing it. But you know what, I'm not getting into that. The fact is, is that I know what they told us and I know that they did not share our values.

So any briefing that you would get from the Bush administration on the subject is one that is probably something you're not going to agree with, and two, maybe not the whole truth anyway.

Occasional Reader Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:37:25am

Pelosi: "The dog ate my CIA briefing."

100

wonk-a-donk Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:37:39am

re: #5 LGoPs

Put her under oath.

o ------ oath -------
O
o
/^--__^__Pelosi---%P%
===============

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astronmr20 Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:37:57am

But that’s how I heard that.

You have got to be kidding me. Someone needs to get the other 3 representatives who took the tour on the phone right now to clear this up.

According to everyone else so far, she's lying through her enormous teeth.

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unrealizedviewpoint Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:38:22am

The similar big lie -
Pelosi and her cohorts also claimed they didn't think Bush would use the authorization they gave for use of force in Iraq. That lie worked splendidly for them. Hey, why stop now?

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VegasRick Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:38:56am

Swine flu and Nancy Pelousy.
One is a disgusting, dangerous disease cause by pigs wallowing in shitty mud along with their buddies that makes people so sick that they may die. The other is just a flu.

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Eowyn2 Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:39:04am

re: #94 HoosierHoops

Ah heck..I've got construction guys tearing up the floors and replacing them with new floor and carpets...I'm hanging with my dog on the deck...

we're driving through a foot of snow up here.

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LGoPs Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:39:10am

re: #93 VioletTiger

What I resent even more than the lies, is the fact that the left is politicizing our national security. Plus, they are also going to potentially waste a huge amount of resources to do this, with any trials and investigations. It is shameful.

The left considers Republicans/Conservatives as a greater threat than Islamofascist terrorists. The evidence for this is in their actions, not their words. Words are cheap and meaningless. Actions matter.

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BingoBunny Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:39:16am

they weren’t going to use and when they did they would come back to Congress to report to us on that. But that’s how I heard that.

/then I was distracted a minute by flying saucers, but it was the good flying saucers.. not the bad ones..

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Rexatosis Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:39:16am

Speaker Pelosi's comments are exactly why the nutroot left's demand for show trials against members of the Bush Administration won't happen. The Senior Congressional Leadership of the Democrat party signed off on the Bush Administration's strategy for the War on Terror and the tactics employed. While Pelosi, Reid, et al speak out both sides of their mouth and out a few other holes at the same time they are not going to put themselves under oath and under potential criminal danger by granting show trials (Bush may not have publicly ripped these guys but there is no way Cheney and Co. are going to let this pass if indicted, they will call Pelosi and Co. as witnesses).

Now if only the MSM will really hammer this story, but alas Ms. Crowley will probably be exiled by CNN to cover the Cherry Blossoms rather than let her keep digging at Pelosi.

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Occasional Reader Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:39:22am

re: #52 lawhawk

Obama calls the first 100 days tense, but fruitful? Who's he kidding?

Someone asked on the previous thread, and I don't know the answer; have other presidents marked their "100 day" milestones with official observance and a press conference? Or is this another example of the One's towering ego?

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turn Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:39:22am

re: #21 Dianna

So, does anyone actually believe this latest story?

No, she's a liar. Some of the comments in the link are really funny:
"This woman wouldnt know the truth if it bit her...eww what a horrible thought.." ha

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CommonCents Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:39:40am

re: #22 Gella

so, now she pretends she is deaf and blind?

Trust me, she's not pretending.

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Kosh's Shadow Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:39:42am

re: #92 ggt

Good Morning Lizards!

The house is debating HR 1913 Expanding Hate Crimes Bill right now. It's on C-SPAN. Scary Sh!t!

I wonder how the rank-and-file members of law-enforcement feels about it.

How are you-all this morning?

How do they want to expand the hate crime definition? Add Democrats to the "protected classes"? (And probably remove Jews but make sure Muslims are well covered.)

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turn Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:40:01am

re: #85 Ben Hur

Wow.

What a poker face.

It's a wonder what botox will do.

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victor_yugo Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:40:10am

Lying criminals will often change little details in their stories during repeated interrogation.

Pelosi is a lying criminal.

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Shane Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:40:25am

I will interpet her words;

Listen, I'm liberal and no one is going to hold me to task for something I did or said. I don't care if you show the people a video of me attending this brief, the MSM wouldn't dare air it on TV.

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Zimriel Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:40:33am

Nancy, "At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought".

/may God have mercy on our souls

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simonml Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:41:14am

re: #115 Zimriel

Nancy, "At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought".

/may God have mercy on our souls

LMAO. Love that part of the movie

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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:41:20am

Obama's Civil Rights Agenda

[Link: thomas.loc.gov...]

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OldLineTexan Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:41:30am

re: #112 turn

It's a wonder what botox will do.

Nancy, I hear Swine Flu injections are much more effective than Botox.

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dhg4 Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:41:36am

So she says that even though she was told that coercive interrogation was legal she didn't think it would be used. She has even less integrity than Ted Kennedy.

Andrew McCarthy writes:

So Sen. Ted Kennedy proposed an amendment to the Military Commissions Act (MCA) then under consideration. His measure would, finally, have brought clarity to the legal status of waterboarding. It would have expressly defined the procedure as a violation of Common Article 3 (CA3) of the Geneva Conventions, putting it on a par with “torture” — which is specified in CA3 — and making it punishable as a war crime.

This was ahead of the mid-terms in 2006. But once Democrats controlled the legislative and executive branches and could have passed such a law on the strength of party line votes, no Democrat attempted to. So the classification of waterboarding as a war crime was a political stunt.

Ted Kennedy was at least willing to pretend that he wanted to outlaw waterboarding. Nancy Pelosi didn't even have the guts to pretend.

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OldLineTexan Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:42:16am

re: #111 Kosh's Shadow

How do they want to expand the hate crime definition? Add Democrats to the "protected classes"? (And probably remove Jews but make sure Muslims are well covered.)

Just the women.

/damned cats

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:42:53am

She's the mother of five. So am I. She must have not done any actual mothering, because I learned a long time ago that if one of your children has something, assume they will use it. No little boy carries around a loaded water pistol, rubber band gun, or magnifying glass on a sunny day just because.

She's lying, lying, lying...

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VioletTiger Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:42:56am

re: #118 OldLineTexan

Nancy, I hear Swine Flu injections are much more effective than Botox.

/

But they don't give you that 'startled look' that's so popular in Washington now ;)

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Gus Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:43:01am

OK, I know this is trivial but it looks like The Obamas are already abandoning Bo:

Axelrod: I wanna take care of Bo

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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:43:21am

re: #111 Kosh's Shadow

How do they want to expand the hate crime definition? Add Democrats to the "protected classes"? (And probably remove Jews but make sure Muslims are well covered.)

So far, I think it's an attempt to appease the Gay Community. I'm still reading the text of the bill.

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OldLineTexan Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:43:28am

re: #119 dhg4

Besides the fact (unless someone can point out my error) that technically the Gitmites are NOT protected by the Geneva Conventions.

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simonml Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:43:35am

re: #117 ggt

Obama's Civil Rights Agenda

[Link: thomas.loc.gov...]

According to that the Hate Crimes bill will include Matthew Shepard (ie Homosexual) protection in Hate Crimes. I thought they were included all along.

He also has this on his agenda:

End Deceptive Voting Practices: President Obama will sign into law his legislation that establishes harsh penalties for those who have engaged in voter fraud and provides voters who have been misinformed with accurate and full information so they can vote.

Somehow I think this might only come up after a successful reelection campaign

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aRedPhishHead Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:44:11am

Pelosi is a lying piece of trash - a disgrace to the country and to anyone with two brain cells to rub together.

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G.W. Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:44:15am

Hum...

What the obvious follow up: "Do you have a lot of briefings about things that are never going to be used? Wouldn't that be a waste of your time while being paid by tax dollars?"

Explain to me the logic of having dozens of meetings involving dozens of people being paid hundreds of dollars an hour to discuss things that are never going to be used.

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Syrah Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:44:29am

Pelosi knows that she can fool many of the people just enough to maintain power.

For her, and for those of like political mind, telling lies for a the right cause is not just excusable, but duty.

Politics resembles Religion in many ways. This is one of them.

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DaddyG Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:44:44am

re: #40 Capitalist Tool

Nancy: "I blinked and missed that part."

Now that's a lie - she lost the ability to blink after the 13th face lift operation. /

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Occasional Reader Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:44:45am

re: #126 simonml

According to that the Hate Crimes bill will include Matthew Shepard (ie Homosexual) protection in Hate Crimes

It was really terrible how Matthew Shepard's killers just walked away scot-free, since what they did was not illegal at the time.

////

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turn Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:45:00am

re: #118 OldLineTexan

Nancy, I hear Swine Flu injections are much more effective than Botox.

/

Pelosi sure can obfuscate. (dang, couldn't believe turn spelled that word correctly)

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Kragar Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:45:10am

Lying Bitch

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Baier Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:45:52am

re: #129 Syrah

Pelosi knows that she can fool many of the people just enough to maintain power.

For her, and for those of like political mind, telling lies for a the right cause is not just excusable, but duty.

Politics resembles Religion in many ways. This is one of them.

I agree. Most politicians are like this. They say what they have to say, when they have to say it, and are surprised when they are held accountable, and even angry at those holding them accountable.

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simonml Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:46:31am

re: #131 Occasional Reader

It was really terrible how Matthew Shepard's killers just walked away scot-free, since what they did was not illegal at the time.

////

Like ggt said. Appeasement of the LGBT community

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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:47:09am

re: #111 Kosh's Shadow

How do they want to expand the hate crime definition? Add Democrats to the "protected classes"? (And probably remove Jews but make sure Muslims are well covered.)

Somehow, they are expanding Federal jurisdiction in these crimes in an "effort" to support local law enforcement. I haven't quite firgured it out.

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redstateredneck Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:47:18am

How fast was she blinking when she said it? That's always a dead giveaway.

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Russkilitlover Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:47:20am

re: #108 Occasional Reader

Someone asked on the previous thread, and I don't know the answer; have other presidents marked their "100 day" milestones with official observance and a press conference? Or is this another example of the One's towering ego?

He's certainly the only one who has been on camera holding pressers almost 100 times so far.

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victor_yugo Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:47:40am

re: #123 Gus 802

OT

OK, I know this is trivial but it looks like The Obamas are already abandoning Bo:

Axelrod: I wanna take care of Bo

Bo's existence is a microcosm of 0bama's thinking:

Give them gifts to make them feel good. Whether or not they've demonstrated sufficient responsibility for the gifts is immaterial.

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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:47:46am

re: #126 simonml

Somehow I think this might only come up after a successful reelection campaign

ha!

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Last Mohican Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:48:34am

Wow, the rest of that interview is even more lame. Her next points are, essentially:

1. Those were secret meetings. Why isn't Porter Goss being criticized for leaking their content to the press (a valid point, actually, I think).

2. I didn't raise any objections to waterboarding, because I didn't have the power to stop the CIA from doing it anyway. They told me they were doing it, but it was Bush's order to do it, and I couldn't stop them from doing it. So why bother objecting?

3. Actually, you know what, I just changed my mind. They never told me they were doing it. And now I refuse to talk about that further. I'd like to talk about a new point, which is that President Bush personally ordered waterboarding to occur, and that he is very evil. Everything he did was something that I disagreed with, and I couldn't object to everything all the time! So that's why I didn't object when they told me about the waterboarding. [Oops, I just admitted they told me about the waterboarding again. Damn!]

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Syrah Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:50:18am

re: #134 Baier

I agree. Most politicians are like this. They say what they have to say, when they have to say it, and are surprised when they are held accountable, and even angry at those holding them accountable.

Most, at present, but not all.

The real problem with Pelosi is that she reflects the majority of the voters at the moment.

There is no changing Pelosi. She is what she is and she always will be. What can be changed is the views of the voters. It is not an easy task, but the only one that will have any lasting useful results.

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formercorpsman Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:55:20am

For any of our civilian side forces who are reading right now, it is evident the vast majority of you are patriotic, decent people trying to do the right thing, do your job, and luck just has it that you are now subject to the imbeciles in charge of our government.

They tap dance on platitudes, while you sometimes must tap dance just for your own security in the line of duty. They get to vote, claim ignorance, and still wield authority over you this way in the end.

You have my deepest appreciation. You do not deserve this bullshit.

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Summer Seale Wed, Apr 29, 2009 9:57:36am

"Yes...but I didn't inhale."

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MTF Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:00:36am

I disagree- there aren't one in twenty voters who agree with Nancy Pelosi except perhaps on a single issue basis. She's an idiot, and in a moment of candor I believe even those in her own caucus would acknowledge that fact. Oh, she's also #3 in line for the Presidency!

Pelosi moments like this one are god-given gifts for the oppo. Through antic behavior like this the public will come to recognize how dangerous it is letting clowns run the circus. If we can get the GOP to focus on spending extravagance, firm defense and national security, while downplaying all the social nonsense, we have the makings of a coalition that can defeat Pelosi and her ilk.

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Raiderdan Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:01:01am

Running this through the Universal Liberal Translator (TM) you get:

"I was for it before I was against it."

Simple: The politics changed after Abu Ghirab, and she took advantage. Opposing the Iraq War after supporting it worked politically too for the Democrats.

Now with the release of the torture photographs, Pelosi is going to look, really, really, really bad.

Liberal hypocrite. But I'm being redundant.

One terrorist attack will literally destroy the Democrats well crafted house of cards overnight. Not that right-thinking people should root for such an opportunity, but given the panic literally in the streets over the White House Military Office's flyby of the Statue of Liberty by the Air Force One understudy shows that just declaring the War on Terror over doesn't make it so.

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unreconstructed rebel Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:02:23am

The amnesia exhibited by Democrats & their MSM synchophants since 9/11 has been stunning. Our problem is that the American public has let them get away with it.

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JustABill Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:02:40am

re: #22 Gella

so, now she pretends she is deaf and blind?

Well, its obvious shes dumb, so deaf and blind fit right in...

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MTF Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:02:45am

Oops- I failed to include the quote with which I was disagreeing! Sorry!

Syrah said "The real problem with Pelosi is that she reflects the majority of the voters at the moment."

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calcajun Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:06:19am

re: #85 Ben Hur

Yes. Her's is a face worthy of one, just for the gall of insulting our collective intelligence.

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StillAMarine Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:06:56am

This female dog Pelosi is an accomplished liar. That differentiates her from the pathological liar who cannot help but lie; she lies when it is convenient and serves her "best interests." Pelosi and Hillary Clinton share that attribute. Both of them lie like rugs.

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3 wood Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:07:22am

Is it just me, or are our Democratic Party defenders amazingly quiet on this item?

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J.D. Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:11:35am

re: #152 3 wood

Is it just me, or are our Democratic Party defenders amazingly quiet on this item?

*crickets*

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Athos Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:11:36am

What we have here is a perfect example of the moral and intellectual failing of the Speaker of the House.

She clearly has no issue with putting the needs of political expediency and power in front of what's best for the country and the truth. The only reason that she is still spinning like a top on this issue is because she flat out lied and got caught dead center in that lie. Now comes the deflection to hide not only the extent of the lie - but why the lie was needed at all.

Lost in this are some key facts. Congress, with her as the House Minority Leader and then as the Speaker, had the ability to legally define waterboarding as torture - specifically and clearly for all to see. President Bush could have either signed that and amended the instructions regarding intensive interrogations or vetoed it and risked override / ramifications. However, the Democrat leadership was unwilling to go on record by making this a law because they were concerned about the ramifications to their political power and careers in the event that lessened interrogation methods failed to prevent attacks like the LA Library Tower attack waterboarding prevented.

Also lost is the basic premise that illegal combatants - those who are not defined as legal combatants under the Geneva Conventions and who also are not defined as civilians because of their active roles in conducting combat operations - primarily against legal non-combatants - are not entitled to any protections under international treaty. Those who capture these illegals are entitled to define the level of treatment based upon their own morals and willingness to be accountable and responsible for their actions to public opinion. We would be in our rights to summarily execute them upon capture since they are, by their actions, war criminals. But we extend to them some protections - far more protections and rights than they extend to their victims.

For every video or picture of a supposed maltreatment of illegal combatant, we should show a video or picture of their victims as they leap from the top of the WTC to escape the flames or are beheaded.

Ultimately, we also must decide that the best representatives for this country are not those who think of themselves and their power first, but those who put their country and obligations to serve first.

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bolivar Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:12:58am

re: #13 Russkilitlover

Bitch.

Ditto and DING!

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UberInfidel67 Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:13:53am

Afternoon all : ) Everyone needs to go and upding Erik's #61.

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bolivar Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:15:35am

re: #145 MTF

Yeah but this idiot is third in line and THAT should scare the bejesus out of each and every one of you!

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bolivar Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:17:12am

re: #57 Ward Cleaver

She's in an alternate universe.

She'd have a goatee.

SHE WOULD HAVE A CLUE!

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Lincolntf Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:21:07am

re: #152 3 wood

They're still researching an instance where "Bush did exactly the same thing!"...
Just give 'em time.

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StillAMarine Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:22:15am

re: #156 UberInfidel67

Afternoon all : ) Everyone needs to go and upding Erik's #61.

... and the same goes for athos's #154 ...

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Syrah Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:24:12am

re: #145 MTF

I disagree- there aren't one in twenty voters who agree with Nancy Pelosi except perhaps on a single issue basis. She's an idiot, and in a moment of candor I believe even those in her own caucus would acknowledge that fact. Oh, she's also #3 in line for the Presidency!

Pelosi moments like this one are god-given gifts for the oppo. Through antic behavior like this the public will come to recognize how dangerous it is letting clowns run the circus. If we can get the GOP to focus on spending extravagance, firm defense and national security, while downplaying all the social nonsense, we have the makings of a coalition that can defeat Pelosi and her ilk.

Pelosi is not a fringe politician in a minority party. Her party, and the trend in political thinking over the last two decades have made her more representative of the body politic than anyone on the right.

Obama is not an accident. A Democrat controlled House and Senate are not momentary aberrations. All of those things together illustrate where the polis is at present.

Pelosi may look like a whack-job to us, but to those in her party, she is in the center of their movement

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wonk-a-donk Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:33:56am

Youtube Video

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cosmo Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:35:40am

Did anyone measure her nose pre-interview in order to establish a baseline for the post-interview measurement?

Time to enact Operation Gepetto.

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elmerf9000 Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:43:05am

Please leave Nancy alone....

She just wants to buy a few new blouses and get some botox shots in her brain again

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Gang of One Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:43:23am

re: #18 alegrias

Pelosi was EX OFFICIO, a member of the Gang of Four that was privy to the top intelligence on 9/11/01 and days after.

She's a lying disgrace and Californians ought to toss her shrivelled BOTOX polluted person from office if they care about their safety and their children and their country.

She is not related to me. I work alone.
And this is the woman Camile Paglia writes paeans about...

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Mikey_Dallas Wed, Apr 29, 2009 10:57:39am

I bet Jack Bauer would get her to remember.....

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Annar Wed, Apr 29, 2009 11:59:57am

re: #48 Dianna

Well, she believes that she can dictate what the Catholic Church's position is. So I guess she thinks she's the absolute?

I thought the high soothsayer Benedict had already consecrated her as Archbishop of San Francisco but maybe I misunderstood one of her press releases.

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Pawn of the Oppressor Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:03:03pm

re: #2 LGoPs

This woman is a disgrace to thinking people, whatever their party.

I'll never forget (or forgive) the way they made her vanish from the airwaves the weekend before the 2006 elections. A Democrat majority was of course going to put her third in line for the Presidency, and when people finally started to speculate about that, she disappeared and that angle was cleanly squelched. She had opened her yap on something during the middle of the week - I can't remember what issue it was exactly - and made a damned fool of herself, and then suddenly she disappeared from the weekend talk show lineup like *poof* Ninja Vanish. Our Establishment knew she was an idiot, they knew that if the American people got a good look at her and thought about the Presidential succession, the Dems would not get a majority, and presto... No more Pelosi.

Now here we are.

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HippieforLife Wed, Apr 29, 2009 12:09:26pm

Wasn't there a tape released recently that showed her talking to a Hispanic group about "immigration" and telling them how evil we are to stop the illegals?

Funny, you don't see much of that in the news.

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Euler Wed, Apr 29, 2009 1:07:02pm

re: #31 alegrias

CALIFORNIANS, your reputation is at stake here.
Pelosi is the 3rd in line after Pres. Obama. She committed dereliction of duty saying she was out of the loop on 9/11/01 matters. Why does she get an Air Force One plane if she's just a little wallflower?

Get her out of office please.

I'm afraid the only Californians with any say-so live in the 8th district. The 8th district is the city of San Francisco, except parts of the Sunset and Balboa Terrace. It is extremely unlikely that the Castro, Haight-Ashbury, the Mission, Pacific Heights, and Richmond districts are going to vote Pelosi out.

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tazzerman Wed, Apr 29, 2009 1:27:44pm

Pelosi is what passes for so called 'leadership' in the U.S. Congress these days. G-d help us all.

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classicLib Wed, Apr 29, 2009 1:47:34pm

Right. Just like no Dem thought that force would be used against Iraq when they authorized the use of force.

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Dad O' Blondes Wed, Apr 29, 2009 1:57:30pm

THIS is what passes for "leadership" in the House of Representatives these days ?!?

Good Lord.

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Dad O' Blondes Wed, Apr 29, 2009 2:00:15pm

re: #172 tazzerman

Pelosi is what passes for so called 'leadership' in the U.S. Congress these days. G-d help us all.

Tazzerman -- I did not see your post until I posted mine -- near exact thought. When I read your post, I thought I was reading mine.

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Mad Mullah Wed, Apr 29, 2009 3:12:34pm

I think that Pelosi should be waterboarded while giving her next interview. That's the only way that I would trust anything coming out of that woman's mouth.

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Idle Drifter Wed, Apr 29, 2009 4:43:01pm

If Madam Speaker Nancy Peloci lied any harder she'd burst into flames.

My Two Cents.

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wonk-a-donk Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:36:05pm

re: #154 Athos

What we have here is a perfect example of the moral and intellectual failing of the Speaker of the House.

She clearly has no issue with putting the needs of political expediency and power in front of what's best for the country and the truth. The only reason that she is still spinning like a top on this issue is because she flat out lied and got caught dead center in that lie. Now comes the deflection to hide not only the extent of the lie - but why the lie was needed at all.

Lost in this are some key facts. Congress, with her as the House Minority Leader and then as the Speaker, had the ability to legally define waterboarding as torture - specifically and clearly for all to see. President Bush could have either signed that and amended the instructions regarding intensive interrogations or vetoed it and risked override / ramifications. However, the Democrat leadership was unwilling to go on record by making this a law because they were concerned about the ramifications to their political power and careers in the event that lessened interrogation methods failed to prevent attacks like the LA Library Tower attack waterboarding prevented.

Also lost is the basic premise that illegal combatants - those who are not defined as legal combatants under the Geneva Conventions and who also are not defined as civilians because of their active roles in conducting combat operations - primarily against legal non-combatants - are not entitled to any protections under international treaty. Those who capture these illegals are entitled to define the level of treatment based upon their own morals and willingness to be accountable and responsible for their actions to public opinion. We would be in our rights to summarily execute them upon capture since they are, by their actions, war criminals. But we extend to them some protections - far more protections and rights than they extend to their victims.

For every video or picture of a supposed maltreatment of illegal combatant, we should show a video or picture of their victims as they leap from the top of the WTC to escape the flames or are beheaded.

Ultimately, we also must decide that the best representatives for this country are not those who think of themselves and their power first, but those who put their country and obligations to serve first.

The actions of these bozo's in power is going to have a catastrophic effect on U.S. counterterrorism efforts. Most of the information they refuse to release or claim to have amnesia about was leaked to the press years ago and has long been public knowledge. However, when the information is examined in a wider context, and combined with a few other dynamics, it appears that the U.S. counterterrorism community is quietly slipping back into an atmosphere of risk-aversion and malaise, which is the same atmosphere described by the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (9/11 Commission) as a contributing factor to the intelligence failures that led to the 9/11 attacks.

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ronsfi Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:50:48pm

Oh. So she didn't inhale.

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Pupdawg Wed, Apr 29, 2009 7:39:52pm

Man, that’s pathetic.

Man, that's Pelosi.

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Ming Wed, Apr 29, 2009 8:16:33pm

Torture is not a partisan issue. It seems clear that Democrats, e.g. Pelosi, were completely in the loop in regard to torture. Who cares whether more Republicans or more Democrats were involved. Sometime in the past few years, both Democrats and Republicans decided to withdraw the United States from the Geneva Conventions. This violated hundreds of years of honorable military traditions, including intelligent interrogation methods (not torture) that actually get useful information. This may be difficult to investigate, because both Democrats and Republicans will pressure everyone to "move on", but the United States is at a crossroads right now: will we return to the Geneva Conventions or not?

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elclynn Thu, Apr 30, 2009 9:51:48am

Doesn't she remember the "virtual tour" of all the CIA ops? The whole Gang of Four was there for four hours in the same room as the CIA. What an incomparable loon. I would just love to see the memos and hope her name is in all of them.

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