Video: Thousands Defy Khamenei
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debutaunt Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:21:02pm |
I'm curious to see if the Sunday news shows agree with 0 doing very little.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:22:27pm |
re: #1 debutaunt
I'm curious to see if the Sunday news shows agree with 0 doing very little.
Chris Matthews leg will still tingle.
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califleftyb Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:22:41pm |
The NYT is running an excellent blog with up to the minute video and photos here: [Link: thelede.blogs.nytimes.com...]
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alegrias Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:24:37pm |
Thank you Charles for letting Iran's 2009 revolution be seen & supported by us--regular people.
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brookly red Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:25:47pm |
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alegrias Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:26:17pm |
What is General Petraeus thinking about this right now?
What are our troops in Iraq thinking right now?
What's Iraq's president Al Maliki--who owes his life to Iran--saying & doing right now?
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alegrias Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:27:05pm |
re: #5 brookly red
maybe it's sciatica?
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Likelier, nerve damage from Diabetic neuropathy; Chris Matthews has diabetes II.
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guftafs Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:27:56pm |
But do the demonstrators really want freedom? Or do they lash out against a corrupt priesthood? (The use the colour green quite a lot, which, as I understand it, has some religious significance, and there's a lot of "Allah is great!" among the demonstrators too, if I understand it correctly.) I don't know ...
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SecondComing Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:29:34pm |
re: #1 debutaunt
I'm curious to see if the Sunday news shows agree with 0 doing very little.
They will credit him for the success of the protests.
I think he was on the sidelines because he was still thinking of his talks with dinnerjacket. And didn't want to sour those. I think he's seen the tide of popular opinion and can't sit by anymore.
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alegrias Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:29:39pm |
re: #8 guftafs
But do the demonstrators really want freedom? Or do they lash out against a corrupt priesthood? (The use the colour green quite a lot, which, as I understand it, has some religious significance, and there's a lot of "Allah is great!" among the demonstrators too, if I understand it correctly.) I don't know ...
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The demonstrators have the right to reject their oppressive corrupt "priesthood" that runs a POLICE STATE.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:30:14pm |
Let's see, freedom, albeit young, in Iraq and Afganistan. Iran in the middle, pushing toward an edge. Dominos falling. That Bush guy is stupid.
That will never work.
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jcm Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:30:55pm |
re: #7 alegrias
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Likelier, nerve damage from Diabetic neuropathy; Chris Matthews has diabetes II.
I always figured the tingle was 'cause he wet himself with glee.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:32:15pm |
re: #8 guftafs
But do the demonstrators really want freedom? Or do they lash out against a corrupt priesthood? (The use the colour green quite a lot, which, as I understand it, has some religious significance, and there's a lot of "Allah is great!" among the demonstrators too, if I understand it correctly.) I don't know ...
We were discussing that earlier this week. I'm not sure but I suspect it has a slightly different nuance than when used in Al Qaeda videos.
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Dirk Diggler Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:32:19pm |
Killgore Trout,
I think it's a photoshop. The guys hat says PicJoke.Com.
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livefreeor die Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:32:23pm |
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livefreeor die Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:33:13pm |
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:33:26pm |
re: #16 Dirk Diggler
Killgore Trout,
I think it's a photoshop. The guys hat says PicJoke.Com.
Nice catch.
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Sunlight Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:33:53pm |
Knowing that the Obamites never like to waste a good crisis, maybe Gen. Petreus could get the Israelis, Aussies, and Brits onboard (and maybe the Indians) and go for the labs now. Hopefully, everybody is lined up to prevent thievery of lab materials if this really breaks open The trouble is that I can't tell whether the Iranian people would think that is a good thing helping them, as they are asking for on twitter, or whether they only want a domestic change. Just can't tell.
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jcm Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:34:31pm |
re: #16 Dirk Diggler
Killgore Trout,
I think it's a photoshop. The guys hat says PicJoke.Com.
Good catch, dinnerjacket's still a dick.......
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Shr_Nfr Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:35:04pm |
re: #3 califleftyb
For once the NYT is doing something reasonable. Good for them.
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Kronocide Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:35:09pm |
If Obama had said "The World Is Watching," as a statement, instead of saying 'the world is watching' in the context of a statement, it would mean something much different.
That is what he should say and do, instead of not meddling.
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calvin coolidge Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:35:13pm |
Wow, people willing to die for a cause..........And in America over two hundred years ago, the battle cry was "Give me liberty or give me death!" Today, our motto seems to be "Give me socialism or fascism and I'll just kind of go along with it"
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astronmr20 Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:36:22pm |
People of Iran- GO, GO, GO!
Take your country back from these Islamist assholes.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:37:06pm |
Five minutes on a Tehran street today:
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:38:46pm |
re: #27 Charles
I'd love to see these guys armed with more than a fistful of rocks.
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Dirk Diggler Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:39:06pm |
Baseej murder young woman.
(WARNING: GRAPHIC AND DISTURBING VIDEO)
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Charles Johnson Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:39:34pm |
Warning -- the video I posted shows a protester apparently shot to death.
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astronmr20 Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:40:18pm |
re: #27 Charles
Five minutes on a Tehran street today:
[Video]
What this make me think is the next time some assholes try to drag one of these peoples' sisters away for not covering up properly, the religious police will have the shit beat out of them by a mob, at very least.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:41:23pm |
re: #28 Killgore Trout
I'd love to see these guys armed with more than a fistful of rocks.
We need a good reverse Iran / Contra crises only this time the arms going to the people of Iran instead of the rebels in central america
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livefreeor die Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:42:07pm |
I wonder at what point Khameini would feel like he better start running..
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VegasRick Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:42:24pm |
re: #1 debutaunt
I'm curious to see if the Sunday news shows agree with 0 doing very little.
O'course!
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:42:29pm |
I'm sitting here in comfort and peace, listening to my boys (minus the one who broke the monitor yesterday, he's still grounded on his bed) play with the neighbor boys. Most of my friends and neighbors aren't giving much thought to what is going on Iran.
Over 200 years ago my ancestors fought the British; over 60 years ago my grandfather fought the Japanese; over 40 years ago my uncle fought communism.
All so I could sit here in peace, thinking what I want and writing what I want for the world to see.
Thank you.
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astronmr20 Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:42:38pm |
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pingjockey Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:43:16pm |
re: #35 livefreeor die
When you see tens of thousands of Iranian women tearing off those damn black sacks and grabbing sticks!
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Kulhwch Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:43:20pm |
I was surprized to find out that we owe the Pirate Bay and Anonymous (Scientology's foe) some thanks in the sense that they're providing ways for info, etcetera, to get out of Iran in their creation of AnonymousIran ... I first saw it mentioned in Wired earlier this week.
Anonymous Iran is a collaboration between The Pirate Bay — operators of the world’s largest torrent site, convicted in April of copyright infringement — and Anonymous, the prankster collective dedicated to exposing “Scientology’s crimes.”
The new site offers tips on how to navigate online in private, upload files through the Iranian firewall, find the best activist Tweeters, and launch attacks on pro-government websites.
This week, The Pirate Bay launched its virtual private network service that promises to mask users’ indentities online. More than 180,000 people have already signed up. Earlier this month, Sweden’s Pirate Party won a seat in the European Union Parliament, after outrage about the file-sharers conviction erupted.
}:) [Just an FYI ... ]
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brookly red Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:43:37pm |
re: #35 livefreeor die
I wonder at what point Khameini would feel like he better start running..
Paris is lovely this time of year...
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MandyManners Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:44:10pm |
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mrbaracuda Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:44:20pm |
Woah, woah, woah. Did that guy - with the help of a bullhorn no less - shout death to Khomeini (margbar Khomeini)? :D
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Steffan Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:45:07pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:45:07pm |
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ratherdashing Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:45:26pm |
From the clip
US President Barack Obama says "The world will be watching events in Iran."
... while he eats his waffle.
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Shr_Nfr Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:46:06pm |
re: #29 Dirk Diggler
Obviously hit in the chest since the bleeding is from the mouth and nose. Animals. Where are all the leftest Kos Kiddies protesting the violation of human rights. Crickets chirp. Dhimmi Carter the eunuch hugs Hamas.
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brookly red Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:46:15pm |
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pingjockey Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:47:03pm |
re: #48 brookly red
I don't think the mullahs are gonna give up without a lot of blood being spilled.
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Kronocide Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:47:03pm |
re: #29 Dirk Diggler
That brings me to tears. Where is the leadership of the free world?
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Shr_Nfr Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:47:42pm |
re: #46 ratherdashing
That asshole won't do anything unless it gets his mug on prime time TV. Florid NPD.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:47:44pm |
re: #31 Charles
Warning -- the video I posted shows a protester apparently shot to death.
Yes, I believe so.
Thanks for posting it.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:48:14pm |
re: #48 brookly red
could save a lot of blood shed, no?
Depends on who takes over if he leaves. Could change for good. Could get real fuckin' ugly.
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Steffan Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:48:16pm |
re: #51 BigPapa
That brings me to tears. Where is the leadership of the free world?
Eating his waffle and voting "present."
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SurferDoc Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:48:36pm |
re: #50 pingjockey
I don't think the mullahs are gonna give up without a lot of blood being spilled.
I am waiting patiently for the mullahs' and their thugs' blood to be spilled.
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MandyManners Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:49:19pm |
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pingjockey Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:49:36pm |
re: #56 SurferDoc
Me too! I hope the people figure out that if they have enough numbers they can win. But OMG it will be a slaughter.
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debutaunt Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:49:44pm |
re: #51 BigPapa
That brings me to tears. Where is the leadership of the free world?
He's digging through the files, looking for an appropriate speech to condemn Israel.
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captdiggs Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:49:48pm |
So far, it looks like things are rapidly spinning out of the mullahs' control.
This may have started about an election, but things have rapidly surpassed Mousavi. It seems t be about fundamental change.
You can never tell how a revolutionary movement will turn, or turn out.
I doubt that the original Boston Tea Party actors could foresee the birth of a new nation in their actions.
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livefreeor die Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:50:05pm |
re: #51 BigPapa
That brings me to tears. Where is the leadership of the free world?
Sitting in his office, realizing he cast his lot with the wrong side and ain't enough lipstick in the world for this pig.
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brookly red Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:50:08pm |
re: #50 pingjockey
I don't think the mullahs are gonna give up without a lot of blood being spilled.
I fear you are right, & there is no turning back. Shooting women in the street is kinda the point of no return IMO.
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MandyManners Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:51:17pm |
If they run, where will the mullahs go? Uganda?
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Enkidu90046 Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:51:37pm |
I posted this on the other thread discussing the protests in Iran, but since this is now the active thread, I will re-post my comments here:
One thing that occurs to my Machiavellian mind, given the turmoil going on in Iran right now, is that this would be the perfect time for a military strike against Iran's nuclear facilities. If only we didn't have a gutless President. Heck, the United States doesn't even have to do it. We can just take the shackles off of Israel and let them do what needs to be done (and provide the necessary intelligence and logistical support).
Yes, a strike right now might stop the uprising in its tracks (an external enemy has a way of bringing everyone together). But regardless of who ultimately prevails in this power struggle, it isn't like Iran's nuclear ambitions will change in any way and I doubt its support of Hezbollah will change in any way (or any of the other terror organizations and terror states Iran supports).
Too bad it is all just a dream... our President cannot even muster a speech blasting Iran's leadership and supporting the protesters. Authorizing a military strike (even through an ally) is well beyond the capabilities of his incredibly weak backbone.
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nyc redneck Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:51:50pm |
the young people of iran have had enough. look how they are risking there lives in the face of such odds against them.
i just remember a thread charles posted a while ago, of students in iran being attacked and brutally beaten by the "morals" police for wearing western athletic clothing.
bicycling shorts and t- shirts. it was horrifying to see them getting knocked around and even forced to drink human waste from these strange looking contraptions as punishment for their choice of clothing. these were young men,
not women w/out a burquas.
does anyone remember that?
these young people just want to live their lives, that's all.
imagine living in a country where you can't wear biking shorts to ride a bike if you want to.
brutal control like that is what these protestors are fighting.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:51:54pm |
re: #50 pingjockey
I don't think the mullahs are gonna give up without a lot of blood being spilled.
I've been saying it from the start. Until the Revolutionary Guard is outrages by seeing THEIR brothers/sisters/uncles/cousins being gunnned down in the streets and as long as the world is silent the mullahs willl hold onto power.
This will only end one of three ways
1) the world finally forces and ending (unlikely)
2) the protetsters win (also unlikely,, they have the numbers but no weapons)
3) as I stated, the guard or the army joins the protesters
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astronmr20 Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:51:56pm |
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Dirk Diggler Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:52:03pm |
Mandy Manners,
If they run, where will the mullahs go? Uganda?
Syria.
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VegasRick Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:52:11pm |
re: #57 MandyManners
She died wearing jeans, tennies and no hijab.
There is so much to what you just said. Wow! I pray for her soul.
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ryannon Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:52:18pm |
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pingjockey Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:52:23pm |
re: #63 MandyManners
Send them fuckers to one of those islands way in the south atlantic. Rocks and penguins and foul weather.
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Enkidu90046 Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:52:46pm |
re: #60 captdiggs
So far, it looks like things are rapidly spinning out of the mullahs' control.
This may have started about an election, but things have rapidly surpassed Mousavi. It seems t be about fundamental change.
You can never tell how a revolutionary movement will turn, or turn out.
I doubt that the original Boston Tea Party actors could foresee the birth of a new nation in their actions.
Captain...
Guess who?
I'll give you a hint... USMC, Jewish, powerlifter, attorney, lives in Los Angeles...
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debutaunt Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:52:48pm |
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Kronocide Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:53:01pm |
re: #64 Enkidu90046
No. That is a bad idea. The Iranian people just need to know we're pulling for them and if it get's really dicey, we'll be there. Or the UN. Somebody.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:53:35pm |
Question: If the Iranians at least start to march to freedom, what will happen to the thugs in Britan, France, Netherlands, etc?
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VegasRick Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:53:48pm |
re: #66 sattv4u2
I've been saying it from the start. Until the Revolutionary Guard is outrages by seeing THEIR brothers/sisters/uncles/cousins being gunnned down in the streets and as long as the world is silent the mullahs willl hold onto power.
This will only end one of three ways
1) the world finally forces and ending (unlikely)
2) the protetsters win (also unlikely,, they have the numbers but no weapons)
3) as I stated, the guard or the army joins the protesters
Israel should be arming the people.
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MandyManners Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:54:35pm |
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livefreeor die Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:54:53pm |
re: #76 Cannadian Club Akbar
Question: If the Iranians at least start to march to freedom, what will happen to the thugs in Britan, France, Netherlands, etc?
The Saudis will keep funding them.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:55:08pm |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:55:08pm |
re: #78 VegasRick
Israel should be arming the people.
You can't just hand someone a gun, although if that is the only alternative, that's better than a rock. They need training, too.
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astronmr20 Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:55:12pm |
re: #79 MandyManners
Do Muslims believe in hell?
Um... yes. It's only referenced thousands of times in the Koran.
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VegasRick Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:55:13pm |
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MandyManners Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:55:22pm |
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astronmr20 Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:55:42pm |
re: #79 MandyManners
Do Muslims believe in hell?
All you need to know about the ROP:
www.thereligionofpeace.com
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guftafs Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:55:47pm |
re: #28 Killgore Trout
I'd love to see these guys armed with more than a fistful of rocks.
Whatever they want the protesters, I don't think they'll be able to achieve it if this is the extent of the protests shown in the video.
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VegasRick Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:55:55pm |
re: #82 EmmmieG
You can't just hand someone a gun, although if that is the only alternative, that's better than a rock. They need training, too.
I'll bet they would learn quick.
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MandyManners Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:55:55pm |
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Enkidu90046 Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:56:21pm |
re: #74 BigPapa
No. That is a bad idea. The Iranian people just need to know we're pulling for them and if it get's really dicey, we'll be there. Or the UN. Somebody.
It would be a bold move... but we have a window of opportunity here. The bottom line is that regardless of who wins the power struggle, Iran's nuclear ambitions will remain unchanged. I would rather have a (relatively) toothless Iran that is united behind the present government than a divided Iran lurching forward towards a nuclear weapon.
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MandyManners Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:56:25pm |
re: #71 pingjockey
Send them fuckers to one of those islands way in the south atlantic. Rocks and penguins and foul weather.
Poor penguins.
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brookly red Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:56:31pm |
re: #78 VegasRick
Israel should be arming the people.
There are plenty of arms in Iran, but just like here they not so much in the cities.
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debutaunt Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:56:40pm |
re: #89 MandyManners
I don't see the British allowing that.
Oh, wait. The Uighurs are there.
The modern version of Siberia.
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ryannon Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:56:52pm |
re: #89 MandyManners
I don't see the British allowing that.
Oh, wait. The Uighurs are there.
There goes the neighborhood...
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MandyManners Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:57:04pm |
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VioletTiger Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:57:31pm |
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MandyManners Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:57:36pm |
re: #83 astronmr20
Um... yes. It's only referenced thousands of times in the Koran.
I've never read that dreck.
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SixDegrees Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:57:54pm |
re: #26 astronmr20
People of Iran- GO, GO, GO!
Take your country back from these Islamist assholes.
Um - it isn't at all clear just what it is the protesters are angling for. They are devout Muslims themselves, and have been heard loudly chanting "Allah Akbar!" at several gatherings.
There's also the question of who's taking back what from whom? I'm only aware of a single statistical poll taken prior to this election, and it showed Ahmadinijad leading by a huge margin, something like 60%/30%. Although lots of people are casting this as some sort of revolution against tyranny, it may just as well turn out to be an attempt to usurp election results that weren't to a minority's liking. Very difficult to say, what with the usual restraints on the media being tightened even further in the wake of events.
The mullahs - who are actually in charge of the country - offered at least a selective recount in disputed areas, an offer that was immediately rejected and answered by calls for a whole new election. Seems like a rather severe overreach by Moussavi, unless he's hoping to use the intervening time to foment more unrest. A more moderated approach - calling for an investigation into voting procedures, for example, overseen by some independent group - would seem the more reasonable approach.
Frankly, vote-rigging on such a large scale and resulting in such an overwhelming margin seems remarkably stupid. Even the most optimistic opposition statements prior to the election were claiming nothing more than a "close" result. The nearly two-to-one margin strikes me as colossal, clumsy overkill. Or, perhaps, a real result.
Color me skeptical, but I don't trust anything that happens politically in Iran, from either side. A rigged election certainly isn't out of the question, but I haven't seen any proof offered of such shenanigans yet. Right now, it seems just as likely that Moussavi has whipped a large mob into a frenzy, but a mob that still represents only a minority of voters.
And I'm not at all sure what that mob actually wants. Moussavi's past doesn't exactly thrill or inspire me with confidence that all the talk of "revolution" and "freedom" are anything more than wishful projections.
If that leads to the collapse of the Iranian government, it doesn't bother me in the slightest. I'd just like to know what the truth behind the collapse is, rather than relying on hagiographies.
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debutaunt Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:57:54pm |
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ryannon Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:57:59pm |
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Ojoe Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:58:11pm |
re: #8 guftafs
Well the demonstrators are human and so they vary but I would think that many want freedom. You can get a feeling about it by reading the cartoon books Persepolis and Persepolis 2. They are an insight and then some.
Most Iranians are sick of the mullahs. THey want an end to religious oppression, they want to drink if they feel like it, the young people want to holld hands in public.
Like that.
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pingjockey Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:58:21pm |
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MandyManners Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:58:25pm |
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MandyManners Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:58:41pm |
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ratherdashing Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:59:24pm |
re: #79 MandyManners
yes. They call it hellfire in English.
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captdiggs Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:59:35pm |
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ryannon Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:59:37pm |
re: #102 Ojoe
Well the demonstrators are human and so they vary but I would think that many want freedom. You can get a feeling about it by reading the cartoon books Persepolis and Persepolis 2. They are an insight and then some.
Most Iranians are sick of the mullahs. THey want an end to religious oppression, they want to drink if they feel like it, the young people want to holld hands in public.
Like that.
Persopolis was made into a film, probably heavily drawn on the comic book graphics.
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SixDegrees Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:00:27pm |
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:00:43pm |
re: #78 VegasRick
Israel should be arming the people.
Oh, wouldn't that be THE most delicious irony!
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jcbunga Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:00:54pm |
A friend was 18 when the Shah was deposed...he survived gangs of moped-riding islamo-nuts beating everyone with chains and swords back then. He still has family there. He thinks the government is going down.
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Kronocide Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:01:15pm |
re: #90 Enkidu90046
The bottom line is that regardless of who wins the power struggle, Iran's nuclear ambitions
willmay remain unchanged.
There, now I can agree with that. However, it's not just about nukes. Iran is probably the largest supporter of terror in that region. If we have a chance at taking the regime or letting them fail resulting in terror funding for the region declining significantly, that is also a goal besides nuclear ambition.
I have honey do's now, BBIAFew hours. Keep it up WINSTON06!
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Enkidu90046 Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:01:42pm |
re: #108 captdiggs
Checkmate!
:)We live in interesting times, don't we. :)
Bingo!
I just registered here a few days ago.
How have you been, man?
I know we cannot post e-mail addresses here, but you still have my e-mail, right?
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Rexatosis Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:01:55pm |
I, unfortunately, think this is the start of a very brutal crackdown by the Mullahs using the Republican Guard and irregular thugs to do the most vicious repression. While the army may not shoot protesters the Republican Guard probably will and the irregular thugs definitely will. This regime believes it has a divine right to hold power and those that oppose it are "Satan" or Apostates. It will definitely get very ugly.
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jcbunga Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:02:56pm |
Did we have blogs like this when Eastern Europe collapsed?
Can you imagine the chatter.
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captdiggs Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:03:14pm |
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:03:34pm |
re: #116 Enkidu90046
Bingo!
I just registered here a few days ago.
How have you been, man?
I know we cannot post e-mail addresses here, but you still have my e-mail, right?
not in the body of your post, but you CAN aloow your e-mail to be accessed. Above the box where you type, fill in where it sayd E-Mail then click the Show Email box. Youd screename will then be in blue to allow others to e-mail you
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LSD Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:04:22pm |
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Shr_Nfr Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:04:34pm |
re: #64 Enkidu90046
I think that would help unify support of the mullahs. Probably not a good idea unless the prevail.
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razorbacker Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:04:44pm |
Greetings from warm and sunny NWArkansas.
The Daughter just rolled in a hour or so ago, bearing Fathers Day gifts and a card.
Now boiling the pudding to fix me a banana pudding to go with the spare ribs and potato salad and corn on the cob.
Compare and contrast with this thread.
I am a fortunate son, a well-beloved husband, and a lucky, lucky dad.
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VioletTiger Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:04:46pm |
I have been trying to understand what Mousavi's goals were beyond winning the election. It seems that the people in the streets of Iran want freedom from the Mullahs. Is this what he was trying to achieve, or did they latch on to him thinking he was the best way to move towards that goal, even if it took some time?
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Enkidu90046 Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:05:21pm |
re: #121 sattv4u2
not in the body of your post, but you CAN aloow your e-mail to be accessed. Above the box where you type, fill in where it sayd E-Mail then click the Show Email box. Youd screename will then be in blue to allow others to e-mail you
Thanks for the tip!
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:05:30pm |
re: #124 razorbacker
Greetings from warm and sunny NWArkansas.
The Daughter just rolled in a hour or so ago, bearing Fathers Day gifts and a card.
Now boiling the pudding to fix me a banana pudding to go with the spare ribs and potato salad and corn on the cob.
Compare and contrast with this thread.
I am a fortunate son, a well-beloved husband, and a lucky, lucky dad.
What is it with ribs and father's day? We're having those tomorrow.
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califleftyb Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:06:16pm |
re: #8 guftafs
Thanks to the continuing failure of our media, the west is wholly uniformed about what is happening in Iran and what the Iranian people are striving to achieve. This is not a mere unruly crowd of unhappy Iranians, rather they have delineated their goals as follows:
1. Stripping Ayatollah Khamenei of his supreme leadership position because of his unfairness. Fairness is a requirement of a supreme leader.
2. Stripping Ahmadinejad of the presidency, due to his unlawful act of maintaining the position illegally.
3. Transferring temporary supreme leadership position to Ayatollah Hussein-Ali Montazery until the formation of a committee to reevaluate and adjust Iran’s constitution.
4. Recognizing Mir Hossein Mousavi as the rightfully elected president of the people.
5. Formation of a new government by President Mousavi and preparation for the implementation of new constitutional amendments.
6. Unconditional release of all political prisoners regardless of ideology or party platform.
7. Dissolution of all organizations - both secret and public - designed for the oppression of the Iranian people, such as the Gasht Ershad (Iranian morality police).
I believe it is important for us in the west to speak about what is happening in Iran in a knowledgeable and supportive manner - The stakes couldn't be higher, not just for Iran but for us. Make it a point to learn all you can about what is happening in Iran!
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razorbacker Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:06:46pm |
re: #127 EmmmieG
What is it with ribs and father's day? We're having those tomorrow.
Well, you know. Sexist pig. Spare ribs. It fits.
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Shr_Nfr Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:07:12pm |
re: #122 LSD
Again, throw some money her way. She is doing this through her own buck and donations. I volunteered to her to be of such assistance as I could, but I dare say she has her hands full. Cat out of bag, I also live in Newton.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:08:35pm |
re: #122 LSD
Holy SHIT!
If true, there are only two possibilities:
1) it's IRGC/Sahab/Pasdaran, which means the regime is getting vicious.
2) very less likely ... it's the regular Army, which means ... no, it's to early to hope for that ...
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Rexatosis Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:08:52pm |
re LSD #122
If tanks are being moved in then the Mullah's are getting ready to bring a serious "whiff of grapeshot" ala Napoleon or the Chinese at Tianamen Square. They will also probably also add a serious dose of "vanishings" among those viewed by the Mullahs as against the Theocracy. This is not good.
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VioletTiger Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:09:16pm |
re: #128 califleftyb
Do you think Mousavi is on board with those goals? I can understand that that is what the people in the street want. What is not clear to me is if Mousavi is willing to give that to them.
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livefreeor die Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:09:51pm |
re: #134 VioletTiger
Do you think Mousavi is on board with those goals? I can understand that that is what the people in the street want. What is not clear to me is if Mousavi is willing to give that to them.
I wonder if he'll have a choice.
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Enkidu90046 Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:10:12pm |
re: #123 Shr_Nfr
I think that would help unify support of the mullahs. Probably not a good idea unless the prevail.
It would. But the problem is that regardless of who wins the power struggle, Iran's nuclear ambitions and support of terror will likely remain unchanged. So why not take this opportunity to strike Iran's nuclear facilities? Yes, it is a high risk move, but this window of opportunity will not come along again.
Regardless, it is fantasy... our President has Jello for a backbone. For God's sake, the man cannot even bring himself to give a damned speech in support of the protesters. I am still waiting for Obama to announce that he has secured peace in our time...
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Shr_Nfr Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:10:21pm |
re: #133 Rexatosis
So far the best the protesters seem to be able to muster is Molotov Cocktails. I wonder if they can begin to cease some real arms and ammo.
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captdiggs Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:11:05pm |
re: #128 califleftyb
Thanks to the continuing failure of our media, the west is wholly uniformed about what is happening in Iran and what the Iranian people are striving to achieve. This is not a mere unruly crowd of unhappy Iranians, rather they have delineated their goals as follows:
1. Stripping Ayatollah Khamenei of his supreme leadership position because of his unfairness. Fairness is a requirement of a supreme leader.
2. Stripping Ahmadinejad of the presidency, due to his unlawful act of maintaining the position illegally.
3. Transferring temporary supreme leadership position to Ayatollah Hussein-Ali Montazery until the formation of a committee to reevaluate and adjust Iran’s constitution.
4. Recognizing Mir Hossein Mousavi as the rightfully elected president of the people.
5. Formation of a new government by President Mousavi and preparation for the implementation of new constitutional amendments.
6. Unconditional release of all political prisoners regardless of ideology or party platform.
7. Dissolution of all organizations - both secret and public - designed for the oppression of the Iranian people, such as the Gasht Ershad (Iranian morality police).
I believe it is important for us in the west to speak about what is happening in Iran in a knowledgeable and supportive manner - The stakes couldn't be higher, not just for Iran but for us. Make it a point to learn all you can about what is happening in Iran!
There are also other blogger reports that say most of the opposition is "against" the pursuit of nuclear weapons and, against the support of "outside political forces" ( ie. Hezbollah, Hamas).
It's hard to tell what's true but...
As I said, events are surpassing the origination of the dissent.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:11:55pm |
re: #130 Shr_Nfr
Again, throw some money her way. She is doing this through her own buck and donations. I volunteered to her to be of such assistance as I could, but I dare say she has her hands full. Cat out of bag, I also live in Newton.
I donated via the Tehran Bureau web site early this week.
Is this the same person you're talking about?
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:12:07pm |
re: #134 VioletTiger
Do you think Mousavi is on board with those goals? I can understand that that is what the people in the street want. What is not clear to me is if Mousavi is willing to give that to them.
Mousavi is an opportunist, imho. He didn't come out re: the "fraud" until the demonstartions took on a life of their own. Now he's maiking grandious statements about martyrdom. Lets not foget one (well, TWO) important things
Mousavi would not even have been allowed to run fpr Pres without the mullahs okay
Mousavi was a Kohmeini insider back in 1979 and maybe he's not AS bad as DinnerJacket, but they are in the same ballpark
| 142 |
Shr_Nfr Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:12:23pm |
re: #136 Enkidu90046
Unclear. One can only hope that it would be a reasonable transformation to a real government. I suppose we find out one way or the other. If Dinnerjacket prevails, there is a probability 1 of an Israeli strike imo.
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captdiggs Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:13:29pm |
re: #136 Enkidu90046
"So why not take this opportunity to strike Iran's nuclear facilities? Yes, it is a high risk move, but this window of opportunity will not come along again."
I think that would just stop the dissent and galvanize them all against the attacker.
IMO...best to let this play out and hope the mullah's are overthrown, then reassess.
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razorbacker Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:13:54pm |
re: #137 Shr_Nfr
So far the best the protesters seem to be able to muster is Molotov Cocktails. I wonder if they can begin to cease some real arms and ammo.
The daughter has gifted me with just a bunch of numbers.
.22, 12, .45, .30-'06.
Numbers make the world go 'round. If you know no math, you may fall victim to just about any old superstitious mumbo-jumbo.
But numbers...you can trust numbers.
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guftafs Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:14:08pm |
re: #128 califleftyb
Difficult to say how profound a change could be affected or even wanted.
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Shr_Nfr Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:14:30pm |
re: #140 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Yep. I put a spinoff on a previous link about her. She is part of a family of Iranian ex-pats that left after the 79 revolution. [Link: www.boston.com...]
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Enkidu90046 Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:15:51pm |
re: #142 Shr_Nfr
Unclear. One can only hope that it would be a reasonable transformation to a real government. I suppose we find out one way or the other. If Dinnerjacket prevails, there is a probability 1 of an Israeli strike imo.
Israel cannot strike at Iran without logistical assistance from someone (and I doubt Jordan and/or Saudi Arabia will help) so that someone has to be the United States. Obama will never give that assistance.
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justdanny Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:17:02pm |
Iranian government website.
With a contact feature.
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Sunlight Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:17:07pm |
re: #119 jcbunga
Did we have blogs like this when Eastern Europe collapsed?
Can you imagine the chatter.
It would have been great. All I have is a little stone that is said to have come from the wall... Combo LGF (with streaming video and good conversation) and twitterfeed from folks there. Just amazing.
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Enkidu90046 Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:18:00pm |
re: #143 captdiggs
"So why not take this opportunity to strike Iran's nuclear facilities? Yes, it is a high risk move, but this window of opportunity will not come along again."
I think that would just stop the dissent and galvanize them all against the attacker.
IMO...best to let this play out and hope the mullah's are overthrown, then reassess.
It might well stop the dissent. In fact, I would be incredibly surprised if it didn't. But, I simply don't think there is going to be any change in Iran's nuclear ambitions or support of terror regardless of who ultimately prevails in this power struggle.
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astronmr20 Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:18:14pm |
re: #147 Enkidu90046
Israel cannot strike at Iran without logistical assistance from someone (and I doubt Jordan and/or Saudi Arabia will help) so that someone has to be the United States. Obama will never give that assistance.
They can. Not as easily, but they have made provisions for such.
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Sunlight Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:18:15pm |
re: #147 Enkidu90046
Israel cannot strike at Iran without logistical assistance from someone (and I doubt Jordan and/or Saudi Arabia will help) so that someone has to be the United States. Obama will never give that assistance.
I think Obama would actively block Israel.
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VioletTiger Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:18:18pm |
re: #141 sattv4u2
Mousavi is an opportunist, imho. He didn't come out re: the "fraud" until the demonstartions took on a life of their own. Now he's maiking grandious statements about martyrdom. Lets not foget one (well, TWO) important things
Mousavi would not even have been allowed to run fpr Pres without the mullahs okay
Mousavi was a Kohmeini insider back in 1979 and maybe he's not AS bad as DinnerJacket, but they are in the same ballpark
From what I have read, that is exactly it.
I am trying to understand how he got the support of the people who want freedom. On the surface at least, he seems to be Dinnerjacket Lite. Of course, I hope there is more to it. I think that if the people get their way there will be.
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Rexatosis Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:18:25pm |
Re #144 razorbacker
Good numbers if you have a second amendment to protect the citizenry against dictatorial governments but Iran doesn't have such an amendment.
Slightly OT:
Where the hell is the news coverage of this on MSNBC or CNBC? Are they news networks or f***ing info commercial centers?
| 155 |
Truck Monkey Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:20:19pm |
re: #147 Enkidu90046
Israel cannot strike at Iran without logistical assistance from someone (and I doubt Jordan and/or Saudi Arabia will help) so that someone has to be the United States. Obama will never give that assistance.
Never underestimate the Israelis.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:20:19pm |
From the tweets:
atgiggleswick: Rt from Iran: DO NOT GO HOME 2NIGHT! BASIJ HAS MARKED HOUSES! STAY AWAY FROM HOSPITALS! GO TO EMBASSIES! #gr88 #iranelection
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justdanny Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:20:22pm |
re: #138 captdiggs
...against the support of "outside political forces" ( ie. Hezbollah, Hamas).
They mean the US and Britain.
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razorbacker Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:20:23pm |
re: #154 Rexatosis
Re #144 razorbacker
Good numbers if you have a second amendment to protect the citizenry against dictatorial governments but Iran doesn't have such an amendment.
Another number. You bolster my argument.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:20:32pm |
Get ready to seethe.....
Update
(AP): CBS reporter Mark Knoller reports that the president decided today of all days would be a good time for a leisurely trip to the ice-cream parlor. Quoth Jim Treacher: “Imagine if Bush went on an ice cream run during something like this. He’d be ‘Worst Person in the World’ every day forever.” Any lefties care to dispute that, especially in light of the longstanding faux outrage over this clip?
....because it's all about Obama.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:21:08pm |
re: #146 Shr_Nfr
Yep. I put a spinoff on a previous link about her. She is part of a family of Iranian ex-pats that left after the 79 revolution. [Link: www.boston.com...]
Good! That's the name on the PayPal receipt.
She got $50 from me last Sunday.
Assuming you might be seeing her, tell her to keep up the good work!
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brookly red Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:22:35pm |
re: #144 razorbacker
The daughter has gifted me with just a bunch of numbers.
.22, 12, .45, .30-'06.
Numbers make the world go 'round. If you know no math, you may fall victim to just about any old superstitious mumbo-jumbo.
But numbers...you can trust numbers.
can you pick 1 more... (I wanna play lotto).
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:23:00pm |
re: #153 VioletTiger
From what I have read, that is exactly it.
I am trying to understand how he got the support of the people who want freedom. On the surface at least, he seems to be Dinnerjacket Lite. Of course, I hope there is more to it. I think that if the people get their way there will be.
Any number of reasons
If Mousavi is even a little more liberla than Ahmedinijad, you vote the lesser of 2 evils
The Iranians knew what tyey had and figure any change HAD to be good
NO candidate was going to give the people "freedom", but when you're trapped in a deep dark basement even a 5 watt bulb gives you SOME light
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MandyManners Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:23:10pm |
re: #148 justdanny
Iranian government website.
With a contact feature.
Oooooooooooh. I'm tempted. Very tempted.
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pink freud Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:23:17pm |
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captdiggs Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:23:39pm |
re: #150 Enkidu90046
"I simply don't think there is going to be any change in Iran's nuclear ambitions or support of terror regardless of who ultimately prevails in this power struggle."
I think this is a sea change possibility.
The complaints I'm reading are that Iran's pursuit of nukes is causing their isolation and economic ills. Likewise their support of terror groups.
A complete fall of the Islamist regime may end both. That would be a new ball game in the middle east.
But hey, we're all just speculating here.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:23:48pm |
re: #161 brookly red
can you pick 1 more... (I wanna play lotto).
The second ammendment lotto? Americans have won at that one for years.
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Truck Monkey Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:24:27pm |
re: #153 VioletTiger
From what I have read, that is exactly it.
I am trying to understand how he got the support of the people who want freedom. On the surface at least, he seems to be Dinnerjacket Lite. Of course, I hope there is more to it. I think that if the people get their way there will be.
I believe that he is an opportunist trying to latch on to a movement has doesn't have a clue about. These protesters want freedom from their "religious" and political overlords. I don't know if there are any among the protesters who know exactly what shape government should come from this, but it looks like they are dedicated (to the point of giving their lives) and in for the long haul. God bless them.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:24:36pm |
re: #159 Killgore Trout
Seethe! Seethe! Did he order mint chocolate chip? or wear a green tie?
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:24:53pm |
re: #163 MandyManners
Oooooooooooh. I'm tempted. Very tempted.
MANDY!
DON'T TRY TO SMACK THE MONITOR WITH YOUR 2x4 !
/that's not how those contact links work
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:24:54pm |
A Supreme Leader Loses His Aura as Iranians Flock to the Streets
I also know that Iran’s women stand in the vanguard. For days now, I’ve seen them urging less courageous men on. I’ve seen them get beaten and return to the fray. “Why are you sitting there?” one shouted at a couple of men perched on the sidewalk on Saturday. “Get up! Get up!”Another green-eyed woman, Mahin, aged 52, staggered into an alley clutching her face and in tears. Then, against the urging of those around her, she limped back into the crowd moving west toward Freedom Square. Cries of “Death to the dictator!” and “We want liberty!” accompanied her.
There were people of all ages. I saw an old man on crutches, middle-aged office workers and bands of teenagers. Unlike the student revolts of 2003 and 1999, this movement is broad.
“Can’t the United Nations help us?” one woman asked me. I said I doubted that very much. “So,” she said, “we are on our own.”
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:25:00pm |
The only reason the green revolution has gotten this far is because of Communications and The Internet..In 10 more years henceforth...No Fuckers sitting in Religious towers will control the people....Power has been moving away from the elite since the Internet....
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:25:10pm |
re: #163 MandyManners
Oooooooooooh. I'm tempted. Very tempted.
yeah, like any e-mail or phone call that comes into them from an American citizen is read RIGHT away and it's suggestions highly considered!
///
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Steffan Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:25:13pm |
re: #152 Sunlight
I think Obama would actively block Israel.
He'd at least try. I think at that point Netanyahu would tell him to go pound sand (likely in as many words).
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Enkidu90046 Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:25:24pm |
re: #151 astronmr20
They can. Not as easily, but they have made provisions for such.
I am not sure how. They need to use hostile nation's airspace. They need to be able to refuel aircraft. They most likely will need commandos on the ground. This is not a strike like Osirak. Iran has learned from Iraq's errors. Their nuclear facilities are underground, spread throughout Iran, and protected by military units. Plus, Israel must travel much much further to conduct the strikes. Without logistical support from the United States (the use of bases in Iraq and/or Afghanistan or at least the ability to use Iraqi airspace to conduct the strike and for refueling) I don't see how Israel can pull off such a military strike. We aren't talking about a commando raid to free hostages held in Uganda here. This is a logistical nightmare.
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razorbacker Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:25:25pm |
re: #164 pink freud
2.
There 'ya go. Pinky beat me to it.
Other good numbers.
1
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
and
10
Folks could start a pretty nice country with numbers like those.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:25:40pm |
re: #169 iceweasel
I'll bet the bastard ordered the most delicious ice cream available.
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Enkidu90046 Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:25:54pm |
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Skywarner Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:26:22pm |
"RT Iran: From Tehran, Azadi St., Sanati Sharif University indicated 10 helicopters landed inside the univers #Iranelection"
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captdiggs Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:26:34pm |
re: #174 Steffan
He'd at least try. I think at that point Netanyahu would tell him to go pound sand (likely in as many words).
Obama is the greatest bait-n-switch ever perpetrated on America.
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brookly red Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:26:53pm |
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:26:56pm |
re: #172 HoosierHoops
The only reason the green revolution has gotten this far is because of Communications and The Internet..In 10 more years henceforth...No Fuckers sitting in Religious towers will control the people....Power has been moving away from the elite since the Internet....
I wonder how much longer they can hold on without the military stepping in. I'm still hopeful but I'm starting to get worried.
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Enkidu90046 Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:26:57pm |
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LSD Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:27:08pm |
re: #177 Killgore Trout
I said he went to play Golf .... guess it was an Ice Cream run...
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DisturbedEma Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:27:28pm |
re: #154 Rexatosis
Re #144 razorbacker
Good numbers if you have a second amendment to protect the citizenry against dictatorial governments but Iran doesn't have such an amendment.
Slightly OT:
Where the hell is the news coverage of this on MSNBC or CNBC? Are they news networks or f***ing info commercial centers?
I will take the second option for 400, Alex. . .
| 186 |
Truck Monkey Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:27:29pm |
re: #169 iceweasel
Seethe! Seethe! Did he order mint chocolate chip? or wear a green tie?
Biker shorts and a wife beater t-shirt.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:27:42pm |
re: #171 Killgore Trout
A Supreme Leader Loses His Aura as Iranians Flock to the Streets
Would it be too optimistic to print the photo of Mussolini dangling by his heels and taping it to the wall above my monitor?
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:27:42pm |
re: #180 captdiggs
Obama is the greatest bait-n-switch ever perpetrated on America.
bait and switch? Sorry, he's EXACTLY who he 'told" us he was during the last election campaign
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SixDegrees Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:28:07pm |
re: #154 Rexatosis
Re #144 razorbacker
Good numbers if you have a second amendment to protect the citizenry against dictatorial governments but Iran doesn't have such an amendment.
Slightly OT:
Where the hell is the news coverage of this on MSNBC or CNBC? Are they news networks or f***ing info commercial centers?
They have been forbidden to report on the protests or pretty much anything else. They're sticking around merely to maintain a legal presence there, awaiting a thaw in their constraints.
Faced with an edict not to report on what they see, it would be tempting - if I were in charge of a media outlet under such a ban - to announce quite loudly and publicly that we were pulling all of our assets out of the country until such restrictions were lifted.
But that's just me. Others might argue that maintaining a presence, even a circumscribed one, keeps the door open to at least continue collecting information for later distribution.
Reporting anything now, however, would mean immediate expulsion (at best) or imprisonment (at second best). Or something worse.
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NelsFree Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:29:14pm |
re: #42 MandyManners
Maybe I'm weird but, there's a distinct homo-erotic flavor to those guys.
Islam imposes strict segregation of the sexes. No dating, no contact until your wedding day (to someone your parents arranged when you were two). Afghanistan culture is noted for more prominent males, like warlords or tribe elders, having "Nancy boys".
| 191 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:30:30pm |
re: #163 MandyManners
Dinnerjacket is your fruit fly...Do your thing
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captdiggs Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:30:34pm |
re: #188 sattv4u2
bait and switch? Sorry, he's EXACTLY who he 'told" us he was during the last election campaign
True, but only if you listened to the critics, who the Obamedia suppressed.
Take a listen to his AIPAC speech...what a great friend of Israel he would be.
Unfortunately, too many bought it.
I voted for the other guy...as most here did.
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justdanny Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:31:11pm |
re: #163 MandyManners
I wasnt tempted, I just did it. Screw temptation, bite the apple. Drive this life like you stoled it!
I told him he is a fucking monster. I told him his Allah was waiting for him for beating and killing women in the streets like dogs. And that his Allah would see to it that he spent the rest of eternity burning in hell.
If Iranians are dieing in the streets for things the majority of Americans take for granted every minute of every hour of their lives, I can write a hateful letter to the monster selected, not elected figurehead to Iran.
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:31:27pm |
re: #182 Killgore Trout
I wonder how much longer they can hold on without the military stepping in. I'm still hopeful but I'm starting to get worried.
There will be a lot of books written in the coming years about the beginnings of The Iran Civil war... This is only scene 1 of the upcoming 3 part play....
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Wendya Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:31:39pm |
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captdiggs Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:31:40pm |
re: #187 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Would it be too optimistic to print the photo of Mussolini dangling by his heels and taping it to the wall above my monitor?
ROTFL!
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sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:31:43pm |
re: #182 Killgore Trout
I wonder how much longer they can hold on without the military stepping in. I'm still hopeful but I'm starting to get worried.
Except for street demonstrations and defying the Grand Rulers edict, the protesters have't done anything for the mullahs to call a large scale military action. The demonstarters aren;'t "taking over" gov't offices, aren't storming military facilities (which of course would be suicidal, but I'm trying to make a point)
Don't get me wrong, just by defying the Grand Weasel is ballsy enough, but the mullahs KNOW the world can see and calling out the military in full force is not needed (yet) because of the reasons I stated
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razorbacker Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:32:27pm |
BBIAB.
I have to go beat the entertainment center into submission so that the ladies can enjoy 'He's Just Not That Into You' in full Dolby glory.
Hmmmmmm.
Naw. I ain't going there. You don't shoot a sitting bird.
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Kefirah Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:32:50pm |
re: #194 HoosierHoops
the thing that i find most striking is that book would be remiss to leave out the disproportionate role that twitter and the internet have played.
someone described the "green revolution" as "twitter's watershed moment."
it's a watershed moment in history. period.
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avanti Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:35:33pm |
re: #199 Kefirah
the thing that i find most striking is that book would be remiss to leave out the disproportionate role that twitter and the internet have played.
someone described the "green revolution" as "twitter's watershed moment."
it's a watershed moment in history. period.
Without the Net and cell phones, they could have tossed the western press out and killed the protesters at will.
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:35:39pm |
re: #199 Kefirah
the thing that i find most striking is that book would be remiss to leave out the disproportionate role that twitter and the internet have played.
someone described the "green revolution" as "twitter's watershed moment."
it's a watershed moment in history. period.
I agree. But in 10 years twitter will be left in the dust...I remember 10 years using Pine email through a UNIX Client....I laugh about it now...Does anybody use Pine anymore?
The world is changing because of Technology.. And the change is for our better.....
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Kefirah Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:38:16pm |
re: #200 avanti
the days of complete lock.down are over. dictators the world over would be wise to take note.
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Enkidu90046 Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:39:33pm |
re: #192 captdiggs
True, but only if you listened to the critics, who the Obamedia suppressed.
Take a listen to his AIPAC speech...what a great friend of Israel he would be.
Unfortunately, too many bought it.I voted for the other guy...as most here did.
As did I.
Strangely, I just saw my father this past week. I haven't even spoken to him in over 6 years. He is the "ultra liberal" Jew who supports Obama and for some reason seems to want to find reasons to blame Israel for everything under the sun.
I bit my tongue until it bled. I guess you have to make some concessions to trying to reestablish a relationship with your father.
Obviously, many years ago when I enlisted with the Marines, he was NOT pleased.
If only he knew that during the war in Lebanon I called the Israeli consulate here in Los Angeles to volunteer to go and fight.
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ryannon Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:39:37pm |
re: #148 justdanny
Iranian government website.
With a contact feature.
I sent him a link to the YouTube video of the young woman dying in the streets of Tehran.
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Shr_Nfr Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:40:01pm |
re: #147 Enkidu90046
They have demonstrated that they can strike using mid-air refueling. They do not need us. Their exercises demonstrated sufficient range.
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Kulhwch Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:40:37pm |
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Enkidu90046 Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:41:23pm |
re: #200 avanti
Without the Net and cell phones, they could have tossed the western press out and killed the protesters at will.
They still can and still might. Hell, a genocide is going on in Sudan and we can see how much the world is doing about that.
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Shr_Nfr Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:42:31pm |
re: #189 SixDegrees
Surprisingly CNN is doing a halfway good coverage of this.
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ryannon Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:42:38pm |
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Enkidu90046 Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:43:15pm |
re: #206 Shr_Nfr
They have demonstrated that they can strike using mid-air refueling. They do not need us. Their exercises demonstrated sufficient range.
But they need to use the airspace of other countries to do that refueling, and that is a major problem.
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captdiggs Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:44:28pm |
re: #204 Enkidu90046
As did I.
Strangely, I just saw my father this past week. I haven't even spoken to him in over 6 years. He is the "ultra liberal" Jew who supports Obama and for some reason seems to want to find reasons to blame Israel for everything under the sun.
I bit my tongue until it bled. I guess you have to make some concessions to trying to reestablish a relationship with your father.
Obviously, many years ago when I enlisted with the Marines, he was NOT pleased.
If only he knew that during the war in Lebanon I called the Israeli consulate here in Los Angeles to volunteer to go and fight.
You're a good man checkmate.
Semper Fi. :)
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Enkidu90046 Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:44:37pm |
re: #209 Shr_Nfr
Surprisingly CNN is doing a halfway good coverage of this.
Between telling us how great a job Obama is doing handling this and showing us footage of him getting ice cream with his daughters...
:rolls eyes:
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Enkidu90046 Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:46:26pm |
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Enkidu90046 Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:48:08pm |
re: #212 captdiggs
You're a good man checkmate.
Semper Fi. :)
BTW, any other members of the "hate" board participate here? You stay in contact with any of them, like Cat and Merde de Balzac?
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MarineMomSue Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:50:19pm |
re: #173 sattv4u2
yeah, like any e-mail or phone call that comes into them from an American citizen is read RIGHT away and it's suggestions highly considered!
///
hmmm sort of like suggestions from conservatives &/or republicans are considered by 0's administration?
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ryannon Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:51:16pm |
Let him know how you feel:
[Link: www.president.ir...]
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avanti Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:51:49pm |
re: #208 Enkidu90046
They still can and still might. Hell, a genocide is going on in Sudan and we can see how much the world is doing about that.
Yep, but those are poor black people being killed, sad, but true.
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captdiggs Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:52:59pm |
re: #215 Enkidu90046
BTW, any other members of the "hate" board participate here? You stay in contact with any of them, like Cat and Merde de Balzac?
cat and merde are still on yahoo....so is southie and valm. I stay in touch with cat.
valm is here under "watcher"
They're having a bit of difficulty these days. They both voted for the wondrous 'O'.
They bought the BS, and they know they were taken in by the hype and BS.
I told them Obama would be a foreign policy disaster...but...
anyway...gotta go...look forward to seeing you here at least.
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alegrias Sat, Jun 20, 2009 2:55:09pm |
re: #204 Enkidu90046
As did I.
Strangely, I just saw my father this past week. I haven't even spoken to him in over 6 years. He is the "ultra liberal" Jew who supports Obama and for some reason seems to want to find reasons to blame Israel for everything under the sun.
I bit my tongue until it bled. I guess you have to make some concessions to trying to reestablish a relationship with your father.
Obviously, many years ago when I enlisted with the Marines, he was NOT pleased.
If only he knew that during the war in Lebanon I called the Israeli consulate here in Los Angeles to volunteer to go and fight.
* * * *
God bless you. May your dad have a change in heart.
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SixDegrees Sat, Jun 20, 2009 3:07:22pm |
re: #201 HoosierHoops
I agree. But in 10 years twitter will be left in the dust...I remember 10 years using Pine email through a UNIX Client....I laugh about it now...Does anybody use Pine anymore?
The world is changing because of Technology.. And the change is for our better.....
I occasionally still use pine. Sometimes, you just don't wanna take your fingers off the keyboard.
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Lynn B. Sat, Jun 20, 2009 3:38:13pm |
re: #154 Rexatosis
Slightly OT:
Where the hell is the news coverage of this on MSNBC or CNBC? Are they news networks or f***ing info commercial centers?
This morning, they both had "experts" on (MSNBC had a retired general, I forget who it was on CNN) saying it was all over after Khamenei's speech and everyone would go home now. (Fox News was busy with their market show.)
I turned off the TV and haven't turned it back on since. I can't afford a new one right now.
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