Jupiter Gets Hit

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Using his backyard telescope, Australian amateur astronomer Anthony Wesley discovered that the planet Jupiter was recently struck by something very large — leaving an Earth-sized impact site: New NASA Images Indicate Object Hits Jupiter.

Scientists have found evidence that another object has bombarded Jupiter, exactly 15 years after the first impacts by the comet Shoemaker-Levy 9.

Following up on a tip by an amateur astronomer, Anthony Wesley of Australia, that a new dark “scar” had suddenly appeared on Jupiter, this morning between 3 and 9 a.m. PDT (6 a.m. and noon EDT) scientists at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., using NASA’s Infrared Telescope Facility at the summit of Mauna Kea, Hawaii, gathered evidence indicating an impact.

New infrared images show the likely impact point was near the south polar region, with a visibly dark “scar” and bright upwelling particles in the upper atmosphere detected in near-infrared wavelengths, and a warming of the upper troposphere with possible extra emission from ammonia gas detected at mid-infrared wavelengths.

“We were extremely lucky to be seeing Jupiter at exactly the right time, the right hour, the right side of Jupiter to witness the event. We couldn’t have planned it better,” said Glenn Orton, a scientist at JPL.

More details:
Amateur Finds New Earth-Sized Blot on Jupiter

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264 comments
1 wiffersnapper  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 9:58:54am

Scotty finally found his resting place I see!

2 rightside  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 9:59:08am

Great. Now Jupiter will have global cooling.

3 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 9:59:11am

Obama will be apologizing to Jupiter any minute now.

4 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 9:59:19am

I think it's great that amateurs can contribute to science.

5 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 9:59:20am

If you knew one that big was going to hit Earth tomorrow, what would you do tonight?

6 doppelganglander  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 9:59:34am

I love it when an amateur beats the pros to the punch. Well done.

7 rightside  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:00:14am

re: #5 Nevergiveup

start drinking and smoking again.

8 Spider Mensch  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:01:29am

I hear Uranus is going to get hit soon...you better stay home...

9 jcm  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:01:32am

Fender bender for Jupiter, for us... POW!

10 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:01:33am

And none of us saw it coming.

11 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:01:57am

re: #5 Nevergiveup

If you knew one that big was going to hit Earth tomorrow, what would you do tonight?

Stop watching really bad made-for-TV movies on NBC shown on Sunday nights.

12 Land Shark  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:02:59am

re: #10 Noam Sayin'

And none of us saw it coming.

Quite. It's a risky universe out there, you never know what's coming.

Amateur astronomers, by the way, once again prove their great worth to science.

13 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:03:43am

re: #5 Nevergiveup

If you knew one that big was going to hit Earth tomorrow, what would you do tonight?

Whatever I wanted.

14 FrogMarch  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:04:13am

Jupiter really needs to go on a diet; Or I'm not paying for its health care. Bulbous planet eating hog.

15 MikeAlv77  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:04:31am

This kind of shows what Jupiter does for us. Acts like a big vacumm cleaner sucking in the bad stuff coming in to the inner planets.

Way to go Jupiter!!! Takes one for the Gipper!! (Earth)

16 dwells38  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:04:50am

Kinda scary something that big was careening thru the solar system and we didn't know about it until after the fact. I suppose with Jupiter's massive gravity well it's a much larger target. Still seems like something that made an earth-sized spot on Jupiter could possibly end all life here.

17 General Nimrod Bodfish  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:05:00am

re: #5 Nevergiveup

I would probably get so hammered that I would sleep right through it the next day.

18 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:05:43am

re: #17 commadore183

I would probably get so hammered that I would sleep right through it the next day.

Sounds like a plan to me

19 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:05:55am

Screw Jupiter...

20 KenJen  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:05:57am

re: #4 Sharmuta

I think it's great that amateurs can contribute to science.

Me too. I wonder if he gets to name it.

21 Bloodnok  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:06:01am
Jupiter Gets Hit

Serves it right, taking up so much room up there. /

22 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:06:26am

We need to send a mission there and have a pod enter the hole, go through some really strange special effects, and come back to Earth with the astronaut as a starchild.
/8 years too late

23 doppelganglander  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:06:30am

re: #4 Sharmuta

I think it's great that amateurs can contribute to science.

I'm fascinated by all of those wealthy individuals in the 18th and 19th centuries who took up natural science basically as a hobby, who eventually made major advancements and discoveries. You didn't need a Ph.D. or a university post with government grant money to contribute. Just a systematic mind and a lot of time on your hands.

24 Kragar  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:06:49am

The sekrit rockets Bush and Cheney lanuched must have finally gotten there.

/

25 jcm  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:07:00am

re: #12 Land Shark

Quite. It's a risky universe out there, you never know what's coming.

Amateur astronomers, by the way, once again prove their great worth to science.

I'm an amateur nuclear physicist, but they won't me have a nuclear reactor!

It's not fair! WAAAH!

/// ;-P

26 Kragar  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:07:21am

re: #5 Nevergiveup

If you knew one that big was going to hit Earth tomorrow, what would you do tonight?

Loot and pillage

27 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:08:03am

From the Times lede article:

In another interview, Mr. Wesley told the Sydney Morning Herald that spotting the impact mark on Jupiter made him glad the huge planet is in Earth’s neighborhood: “If anything like that had hit the Earth it would have been curtains for us, so we can feel very happy that Jupiter is doing its vacuum-cleaner job and hoovering up all these large pieces before they come for us.”

Indeed.

28 MikeAlv77  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:08:20am

re: #26 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Loot and pillage

Find the nearest Brazilian supermodel and get a nice large steak... have both at the same time...

29 Land Shark  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:08:32am

re: #5 Nevergiveup

If you knew one that big was going to hit Earth tomorrow, what would you do tonight?

Why, I'd fire up my trusty starship and get the hell out of Dodge! Oh, crap, that's right, I don't have a starship. I guess I'd just party like it's 1999 then! ;-)

30 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:09:02am

re: #16 dwells38

Kinda scary something that big was careening thru the solar system and we didn't know about it until after the fact. I suppose with Jupiter's massive gravity well it's a much larger target. Still seems like something that made an earth-sized spot on Jupiter could possibly end all life here.

Well- something leaving an earth sized impact on Jupiter would most certainly end all life were it to strike earth. I do think Jupiter's gravitational pull might contribute to it's seemingly frequent dates with large, random space objects.

31 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:09:21am

re: #5 Nevergiveup

If you knew one that big was going to hit Earth tomorrow, what would you do tonight?

I'd take The Kid fishing.

32 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:09:32am

Something to ponder...

If Jupiter was not there in the Solar System, pulling in countless asteroids and comets and other large space debris, the chances of the Earth being struck by any of those items goes up exponentially. I believe Jupiter deserves a lot more credit than it gets.

Thank you, Jupiter.

33 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:09:42am

re: #29 Land Shark

Why, I'd fire up my trusty starship and get the hell out of Dodge! Oh, crap, that's right, I don't have a starship. I guess I'd just party like it's 1999 then! ;-)

We'll just have to borrow Ford Prefect's electronic thumb and see if we can hitch-hike out of this place.
Make sure you know where your towel is.

34 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:09:48am

re: #23 doppelganglander

I'm fascinated by all of those wealthy individuals in the 18th and 19th centuries who took up natural science basically as a hobby, who eventually made major advancements and discoveries. You didn't need a Ph.D. or a university post with government grant money to contribute. Just a systematic mind and a lot of time on your hands.

People like Benjamin Franklin!

35 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:09:58am

It's not just Jupiter - apprently there's also a hole in Uranus.

36 Randall Gross  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:10:25am

Something that large impacting Earth would likely send an incandescent wave of fire across the entire face of the planet. I would be looking for a very sturdy mine, and taking some supplies with me.
Tidal waves would follow... bacteria, plants, insects, and ocean critters would live, large surface animals would probably get wiped.

37 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:10:28am

re: #30 Sharmuta

Well- something leaving an earth sized impact on Jupiter would most certainly end all life were it to strike earth. I do think Jupiter's gravitational pull might contribute to it's seemingly frequent dates with large, random space objects.

30 seconds too late. *bow*

38 ShanghaiEd  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:10:30am

I know for a fact that this "amateur" astronomer is a native Aborigine using a fake name who got his telescope through Affirmative Action, and paid almost $3.99 a pound for it, when you can get decent Jupiter-worthy binoculars on almost any dock at Sydney Harbour for 75 cents a pound or less. And even worse, he once belonged to a weird group that...

Oops. Wrong thread(s). :)

39 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:10:39am

re: #31 MandyManners

I'd take The Kid fishing.

The next morning you would be calling the comet a mother fucker and trying to shoot it down:)

40 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:10:42am

re: #5 Nevergiveup

If you knew one that big was going to hit Earth tomorrow, what would you do tonight?

First, a half-gallon of premium ice cream.

41 dwells38  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:10:42am

re: #28 MikeAlv77

That sounds good but I'd have to keep it a secret with the Brazillian babe because I'm WAY CERTAIN I'm not who SHE'D want to spend her last night on Earth with.

OK back to reality...make that ANY on Earth.

42 Land Shark  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:10:56am

re: #25 jcm

I'm an amateur nuclear physicist, but they won't me have a nuclear reactor!

It's not fair! WAAAH!

/// ;-P

The bastards! Nuclear reactors don't kill people, damn candy ass bleedin' heart liberals!

/

43 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:11:01am

re: #32 MrSilverDragon

Thank you, Jupiter.

Stop pandering to Jupiter. ;)

44 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:11:08am

re: #33 Kosh's Shadow

We'll just have to borrow Ford Prefect's electronic thumb and see if we can hitch-hike out of this place.
Make sure you know where your towel is.

And Don't Panic!

45 turn  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:11:29am

re: #5 Nevergiveup

If you knew one that big was going to hit Earth tomorrow, what would you do tonight?

Gather with family and friends and reminisce.

46 dwells38  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:11:46am

re: #41 dwells38

That sounds good but I'd have to keep it a secret with the Brazillian babe because I'm WAY CERTAIN I'm not who SHE'D want to spend her last night on Earth with.

OK back to reality...make that ANY on Earth.

ANY night on Earth, that is.

47 JustABill  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:11:48am

re: #29 Land Shark

Why, I'd fire up my trusty starship and get the hell out of Dodge! Oh, crap, that's right, I don't have a starship. I guess I'd just party like it's 1999 then! ;-)

Where is James T Kirk when we need him? He was on-line yesterday...

48 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:11:59am

re: #36 Thanos

Something that large impacting Earth would likely send an incandescent wave of fire across the entire face of the planet. I would be looking for a very sturdy mine, and taking some supplies with me.
Tidal waves would follow... bacteria, plants, insects, and ocean critters would live, large surface animals would probably get wiped.

We must not let there be a mine shaft gap!

49 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:12:03am

re: #43 experiencedtraveller

Stop pandering to Jupiter. ;)

Hey, I'm not apologizing to it!

50 rightside  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:12:18am

We need comprehensive government reform of wayward astral bodies roaming in the vicinity of planets. Congress must pass a bill now, there is no more time for talk. I expect to sign this bill into law, before the August recess.

/why not?

51 FrogMarch  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:12:27am
52 Randall Gross  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:12:29am

Keep in mind the the discontinuity created by the impact is earth sized, the object was probably much smaller than earth.

53 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:13:36am

re: #52 Thanos

Keep in mind the the discontinuity created by the impact is earth sized, the object was probably much smaller than earth.

But still big enough to do some serious damage.

54 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:13:37am

re: #32 MrSilverDragon

Something to ponder...

If Jupiter was not there in the Solar System, pulling in countless asteroids and comets and other large space debris, the chances of the Earth being struck by any of those items goes up exponentially. I believe Jupiter deserves a lot more credit than it gets.

Thank you, Jupiter.

I was kind of thinking that myself. When you're the biggest, everyone wants to take shots at you.

55 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:13:52am

re: #39 Cannadian Club Akbar

The next morning you would be calling the comet a mother fucker and trying to shoot it down:)

Probably.

56 turn  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:14:03am

re: #35 Mad Al-Jaffee

It's not just Jupiter - apprently there's also a hole in Uranus.

That was so lame I ought to moon ya for that.

57 dwells38  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:14:25am

re: #52 Thanos

And no doubt would have hit with higher energy given the greater pull of gravity from Jupiter's mass.

58 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:14:33am

re: #45 turn

Gather with family and friends and reminisce.

Shit if I gathered with my family, they'd be telling me it was Bush's fault. Ain't enough Scotch in North America to put myself thru that my last 24 hours

59 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:14:33am

Of course, we'll have even more bad meteor and asteroid movies from Hollywood.

60 Randall Gross  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:14:53am

re: #53 Honorary Yooper

But still big enough to do some serious damage.

Definitely, but some life might survive. Worst case the "extremeophiles" that live in volcano fumaroles and deep beneath the surface of the earth would likely continue.

61 JamesTKirk  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:15:06am

By Jove!

62 MikeAlv77  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:15:53am

re: #30 Sharmuta

Well- something leaving an earth sized impact on Jupiter would most certainly end all life were it to strike earth. I do think Jupiter's gravitational pull might contribute to it's seemingly frequent dates with large, random space objects.

Sounds like a friend of mine... he had frequent dates with large objects.. wait...

63 JamesTKirk  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:15:58am

re: #32 MrSilverDragon

Something to ponder...

If Jupiter was not there in the Solar System, pulling in countless asteroids and comets and other large space debris, the chances of the Earth being struck by any of those items goes up exponentially. I believe Jupiter deserves a lot more credit than it gets.

Thank you, Jupiter.

The reason Jupiter doesn't get any credit in the media is because of its name.

Jew-piter.

64 turn  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:16:04am

re: #58 Nevergiveup

Shit if I gathered with my family, they'd be telling me it was Bush's fault. Ain't enough Scotch in North America to put myself thru that my last 24 hours

ha, my first thought was "I'm not sure but it would probably involve sex and beer"

65 JustABill  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:16:20am

re: #61 JamesTKirk

By Jove!

Your here! Quick fire up your starship. There might be another one heading for earth...

66 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:16:42am

re: #64 turn

ha, my first thought was "I'm not sure but it would probably involve sex and beer"

Yes, but the question is with whom and how much? Or, How much and with whom. . . ?

67 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:16:55am

Jupiter Gets Hit; Yawns at Universe

68 MikeAlv77  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:16:59am

re: #41 dwells38

That sounds good but I'd have to keep it a secret with the Brazillian babe because I'm WAY CERTAIN I'm not who SHE'D want to spend her last night on Earth with.

OK back to reality...make that ANY on Earth.

I know... I'd probably just get the steak... and fresh cut fries with it... mmm...

69 solomonpanting  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:17:10am

re: #63 JamesTKirk

The reason Jupiter doesn't get any credit in the media is because of its name.

Jew-piter.

It's atmosphere consists of negative Zions.

70 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:17:55am

re: #56 turn

That was so lame I ought to moon ya for that.

Watch out--she'll run rings around you.

71 doppelganglander  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:18:03am

re: #34 Sharmuta

People like Benjamin Franklin!

I was thinking of those British guys with a pile of money and no real job, but Franklin was certainly a distinguished amateur (who also knew how to make a buck). A Short History of Nearly Everything by Bill Bryson has some fascinating stories about folks like that.

72 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:18:06am

re: #69 solomonpanting

It's atmosphere consists of negative Zions.

Are those what people commonly refer to as those "Jew rings"?

73 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:18:21am

On the positive side, if something that big hit the Earth it would end Microsoft VISTA forever.

74 JamesTKirk  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:18:22am

re: #47 JustABill

Where is James T Kirk when we need him? He was on-line yesterday...

Sorry, can't help you guys. Prime Directive. You don't have warp drive yet, so I can't help you.

Because I always obey the Prime Directive. Always.

*whispers* OK, now that I've said that, all Lizards report to the secret beam-up site.

75 rightside  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:18:35am

re: #67 Sharmuta

The energy given off in that collision could not even be fathomed by any of us.

76 quickjustice  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:18:55am

Props to Wesley!

77 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:19:14am

re: #69 solomonpanting

It's atmosphere consists of negative Zions.

It shoots out cosmic, Zionist hair rays!

78 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:19:34am

re: #71 doppelganglander

Upding for mentioning Bryson. I've read most of his books.

79 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:19:34am

re: #73 experiencedtraveller

On the positive side, if something that big hit the Earth it would end Microsoft VISTA forever.

Are you sure about that?

80 turn  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:19:34am

re: #66 Creeping Eruption

Yes, but the question is with whom and how much? Or, How much and with whom. . . ?

You can never have too much of either, and the order wouldn't matter. ha That was really a good question NGU posed, I bet real would have a good answer.

81 quickjustice  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:20:17am

Isn't Jupiter mostly gas? Did the object hit something solid, or just gas?

82 saberry0530  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:20:19am

Are the dinosaurs going to die on Jupiter now?
///

83 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:20:22am

re: #79 MandyManners

Are you sure about that?

Hope is all we have left Mandy...

84 Russkilitlover  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:20:32am

re: #5 Nevergiveup

If you knew one that big was going to hit Earth tomorrow, what would you do tonight?

A Bacon-Lettuce-Bacon-Tomato-Bacon sandwich with a side of bacon, bacon wrapped scallops with dipping butter, and cheesy scrambled eggs with Tapatio - and bacon.

85 Land Shark  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:20:37am

re: #36 Thanos

I saw a program recently on Discovery or History channel (I forget which) about the latest computer models on the meteor/asteroid/comet they believe struck Earth at the end of the Cretaceous and it was scary stuff. A superheated shock wave of displaced air incinerating everything in a radius of 2,000 miles or more, a 13 on the Richter scale shock wave traveling around the world, molten rock falling from the skies for days, tsunamis galore, darkness for at least 6 to 12 months after the impact, a truly world wide catastrophe. And all that from an impactor 6 to 9 miles across. Imagine one larger than that.

Thanks Jupiter, for taking yet another one for the team!

86 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:20:38am

re: #74 JamesTKirk

Sorry, can't help you guys. Prime Directive. You don't have warp drive yet, so I can't help you.

Because I always obey the Prime Directive. Always.

*whispers* OK, now that I've said that, all Lizards report to the secret beam-up site.

Oh, the trebbles you've seen!

87 JamesTKirk  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:20:42am

re: #79 MandyManners

Are you sure about that?

Nah, VISTA has bigger crashes than that every hour.

88 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:20:44am

re: #78 Mad Al-Jaffee

Upding for mentioning Bryson. I've read most of his books.

I found myself laughing out loud (in public) reading Living Biblically.

89 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:20:54am

re: #81 quickjustice

Isn't Jupiter mostly gas? Did the object hit something solid, or just gas?

Gas. It is unknown if Jupiter has any sort of solid or liquid at its core.

90 JustABill  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:21:02am

re: #83 experiencedtraveller

Hope is all we have left Mandy...

You forgot Change. /O

91 FrogMarch  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:21:06am

Will the impact affect Uranus?

92 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:21:11am

If a comet hit the earth, Westboro Baptist would say we had it coming.

93 JamesTKirk  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:21:27am

"But when worlds collide,
Said George Pal to his bride,
I'm gonna give you some terrible thrills..."

94 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:21:27am

re: #83 experiencedtraveller

Hope is all we have left Mandy...

That and a DE .50.

95 turn  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:21:32am

re: #70 MandyManners

Watch out--she'll run rings around you.

That cool, I'm ganymede them. You can never have too many rings around, they come in handy.

96 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:21:33am

re: #16 dwells38

Kinda scary something that big was careening thru the solar system and we didn't know about it until after the fact. I suppose with Jupiter's massive gravity well it's a much larger target. Still seems like something that made an earth-sized spot on Jupiter could possibly end all life here.

Something two miles wide could end all life here.

97 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:21:48am

re: #83 experiencedtraveller

Hope is all we have left Mandy...

Hope and Change!

98 saberry0530  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:21:48am

re: #91 FrogMarch

Will the impact affect Uranus?

Only if they forgot the lube.
/

99 JamesTKirk  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:21:55am

re: #92 Cannadian Club Akbar

If a comet hit the earth, Westboro Baptist would say we had it coming.

It's because we were coming that the comet hit us, you mean.

100 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:22:04am

re: #87 JamesTKirk

Nah, VISTA has bigger crashes than that every hour.

Considering that Bill Gates wants to control the weather, does this mean we'll have the "Blue Sky of Death" every so often instead of rain, snow, etc?

101 keeping it simple  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:22:06am

re: #73 experiencedtraveller

On the positive side, if something that big hit the Earth it would end Microsoft VISTA forever.


It would probably BE Microsoft Vista in another form. Destined to live forever and devour all other life forms and systems.

102 JustABill  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:22:22am

re: #91 FrogMarch

Will the impact affect Uranus?

I don't know. We could send a probe to Uranus to find out...

103 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:22:25am

re: #87 JamesTKirk

Nah, VISTA has bigger crashes than that every hour.

Are you trebbled by that?

104 dwells38  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:22:39am

re: #74 JamesTKirk

Oh right but you CAN seduce every galactic princess you encounter with your dashing good looks and bold and daring ways.

I think that's what they really mean when they say "To boldly go where no man has gone before..."

Alien babes.

105 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:22:41am

re: #16 dwells38

Kinda scary something that big was careening thru the solar system and we didn't know about it until after the fact ...

uhhh yeah... Aren't there lots of folks who spend their lives staring upwards through huge telescopes? Why didn't they know? Or did they?

106 FrogMarch  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:22:55am
107 MikeAlv77  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:23:05am

re: #94 MandyManners

That and a DE .50.

OK Mandy... Now I jealous. I want one too. All I got is a .44...

108 saberry0530  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:23:09am

re: #102 JustABill

I don't know. We could send a probe to Uranus to find out...

I think that is still illegal in Alabama...

109 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:23:25am

re: #97 Mad Al-Jaffee

Hope and Change!

Pocket change!

110 apachegunner  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:23:36am

re: #91 FrogMarch

Will the impact affect Uranus?


not as long as you were sitting down when it happened :>)

111 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:23:43am

re: #101 keeping it simple

It would probably BE Microsoft Vista in another form. Destined to live forever and devour all other life forms and systems.

That is remotely like the basis for Venor Ving's a Fire Upon the Deep.

112 JamesTKirk  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:23:45am

re: #104 dwells38

Oh right but you CAN seduce every galactic princess you encounter with your dashing good looks and bold and daring ways.

I think that's what they really mean when they say "To boldly go where no man has gone before..."

Alien babes.

"Does the word 'duh' mean anything to you?" -Buffy

113 Cygnus  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:24:00am

re: #56 turn

That was so lame I ought to moon ya for that.

You're the star of punsters!

114 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:24:01am

re: #85 Land Shark

A superheated shock wave of displaced air incinerating everything in a radius of 2,000 miles or more, a 13 on the Richter scale shock wave traveling around the world, molten rock falling from the skies for days, tsunamis galore, darkness for at least 6 to 12 months after the impact...

Dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!

115 MikeAlv77  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:24:01am

re: #105 unrealizedviewpoint

uhhh yeah... Aren't there lots of folks who spend their lives staring upwards through huge telescopes? Why didn't they know? Or did they?

Templar Aliens are responsible for this!!! I know it... The Illuminati told me...

116 CommonCents  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:24:05am

If Jupiter is a big gas ball, what makes everyone so sure it was a foreign object that careened into the planet? Isn't there a small possibility that some strange event occured on the surface or subsurface that sucked a hole out of the atmosphere? Like a massive gas sinkhole?

117 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:24:15am

re: #81 quickjustice

Isn't Jupiter mostly gas? Did the object hit something solid, or just gas?

Jupiter is a gas giant, however the size and mass of the planet increases the gravitational pull. I would guess (even though I am no expert in astronomy) the reaction is the friction created between the gas molecules and the increased velocity of the object which is flying into the planet. It would superheat the object and react with whatever gas the planet is made from, creating the "explosions" we're seeing reflected back at us.

Or, I'm totally wrong, and someone much smarter than me could explain. I'd be okay with that. :)

118 quickjustice  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:24:40am

re: #89 Honorary Yooper

So in intersecting with Jupiter, it's likely the object was just "passing gas"?

119 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:25:08am

re: #116 CommonCents

If Jupiter is a big gas ball, what makes everyone so sure it was a foreign object that careened into the planet? Isn't there a small possibility that some strange event occured on the surface or subsurface that sucked a hole out of the atmosphere? Like a massive gas sinkhole?

They have Democrats on Jupiter?

120 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:25:23am

Ok, can I say it here? Uranus.

121 JamesTKirk  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:25:37am

re: #119 MandyManners

They have Democrats on Jupiter?

"Republicans are from Mars, Democrats are from Jupiter"

122 JamesTKirk  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:25:46am

...Ron Paul is from Uranus

123 Cygnus  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:25:55am

re: #73 experiencedtraveller

On the positive side, if something that big hit the Earth it would end Microsoft VISTA forever.

And the endless stream of Michael Jackson tribute specials.

124 solomonpanting  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:26:05am

re: #73 experiencedtraveller

On the positive side, if something that big hit the Earth it would end Microsoft VISTA forever.

Not really. Computers would still get by on dead sea scrolls.

125 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:26:16am

re: #121 JamesTKirk

"Republicans are from Mars, Democrats are from Jupiter"

Think massive tax hikes.

126 CommonCents  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:26:37am

I like how the amatuer had to tell Nasa that something occured. Their radar must have been jammed. Hmmm, strawberry.

127 Cygnus  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:26:56am

re: #82 saberry0530

Are the dinosaurs going to die on Jupiter now?
///

It's all Bush's fault! ///

128 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:26:57am

re: #125 MandyManners

Think massive tax hikes.

Gas tax hikes.

129 doppelganglander  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:27:01am

re: #78 Mad Al-Jaffee

Upding for mentioning Bryson. I've read most of his books.

He's fantastic, isn't he? I enjoyed "A Walk in the Woods" on audio. It spurred me to do a lot more hiking (although I'm not ready for the Appalachian Trail just yet). I'd definitely like to read his other books, especially the ones on language.

130 CommonCents  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:27:04am

re: #119 MandyManners

They have Democrats on Jupiter?

If not, we could send some :)

131 saberry0530  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:27:53am

re: #122 JamesTKirk

...Ron Paul is from Uranus

At least Barney Frank isn't...

///

132 turn  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:27:59am

re: #113 Cygnus

You're the star of punsters!

On the serious side, I sure hope there isn't an object like that coming to metis.

133 JamesTKirk  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:28:04am

re: #130 CommonCents

If not, we could send some :)

What do you call one hundred Democrats shipped to Jupiter?

A good start.

134 Russkilitlover  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:28:05am

re: #105 unrealizedviewpoint

uhhh yeah... Aren't there lots of folks who spend their lives staring upwards through huge telescopes? Why didn't they know? Or did they?

"It's a big ass sky."
~ Armageddon

135 solomonpanting  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:28:19am

re: #130 CommonCents

re: #119 MandyManners

They have Democrats on Jupiter?

If not, we could send some :)

True astronuts.

136 realwest  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:28:41am

Well, there goes NASA's manned moonflight to Jupiter program.
Damn amatuers have to ruin EVERYTHING!

137 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:28:42am

re: #129 doppelganglander

He's fantastic, isn't he? I enjoyed "A Walk in the Woods" on audio. It spurred me to do a lot more hiking (although I'm not ready for the Appalachian Trail just yet). I'd definitely like to read his other books, especially the ones on language.

Check out Year of Living Biblically. It is really quite funny.

138 JamesTKirk  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:29:08am

re: #131 saberry0530

re: #122 JamesTKirk
...Ron Paul is from Uranus

At least Barney Frank isn't...

And I'm keeping my eye on Sulu.

139 realwest  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:29:31am

Well as I said on the DT, I gotta go now. Hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

140 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:29:39am

re: #138 JamesTKirk

And I'm keeping my eye on Sulu.

Hey, your new Sulu seems a bit different.

141 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:29:46am

re: #123 Cygnus

And the endless stream of Michael Jackson tribute specials.

I'm quite sure we have beemed enough of those into the universe already.

Every alien warship worth a bent nickel is probably en route here right now.

142 FrogMarch  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:30:11am

re: #121 JamesTKirk

"Republicans are from Mars, Democrats are from Jupiter"

Democrats are from planet Massive Tax Hike, located in the Nanny State Galaxy.

143 BlueCanuck  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:30:21am

re: #126 CommonCents

I like how the amatuer had to tell Nasa that something occured. Their radar must have been jammed. Hmmm, strawberry.

"only one man has the audacity to give me the raspberry. Lonestar!"

144 JamesTKirk  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:30:26am

re: #140 Honorary Yooper

Hey, your new Sulu seems a bit different.

Sulu has always been a botanist, but I'm not sure about the plants that this new Sulu is growing.

Or about his friend, Lt. Kumar.

145 dwells38  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:30:31am

re: #117 MrSilverDragon

Jupiter is a gas giant, however the size and mass of the planet increases the gravitational pull. I would guess (even though I am no expert in astronomy) the reaction is the friction created between the gas molecules and the increased velocity of the object which is flying into the planet. It would superheat the object and react with whatever gas the planet is made from, creating the "explosions" we're seeing reflected back at us.

Or, I'm totally wrong, and someone much smarter than me could explain. I'd be okay with that. :)

I thought it sounded good!

146 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:30:43am

re: #138 JamesTKirk

And I'm keeping my eye on Sulu.

Ron Paul and Barney Frank Sulu wrestling?

147 FrogMarch  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:31:09am

re: #132 turn

On the serious side, I sure hope there isn't an object like that coming to metis.

If there is, kiss Uranus goodbye.

148 JamesTKirk  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:31:13am

re: #141 experiencedtraveller

I'm quite sure we have beemed enough of those into the universe already.

Every alien warship worth a bent nickel is probably en route here right now.

They'll just sneer at you because you've never heard "Thriller" in the original Klingon.

149 Cygnus  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:31:15am

BBL. I have a job interview to go to. Must get the scope out ASAP and look for that spot!

150 quickjustice  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:31:16am

How did they classify habitable planets on Star Trek? Class M? Whatever the classification, Jupiter is not in that category. The gravitation alone would squash us.

151 markus  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:31:18am

I think it was caused by global warming. Gore will have a press conference later and Obama will grant a 100 billion dollar stimulus package for those who were injured.

152 tedzilla99  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:31:37am

I hope that's not how Barry is planning to lower the oceans?

153 doppelganglander  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:31:53am

re: #149 Cygnus

BBL. I have a job interview to go to. Must get the scope out ASAP and look for that spot!

Good luck!

154 JamesTKirk  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:32:26am

Speaking of original Klingon, listen to this.

155 Dianna  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:32:45am

re: #105 unrealizedviewpoint

uhhh yeah... Aren't there lots of folks who spend their lives staring upwards through huge telescopes? Why didn't they know? Or did they?

Rocky object, no gas cloud, and cold? Unless it occluded something pretty bright, it wouldn't be readily visible.

156 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:32:47am

You think this impact is impressive- wait until the cost of unstoppable democrat spending hits us.

157 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:32:59am

re: #84 Russkilitlover

A Bacon-Lettuce-Bacon-Tomato-Bacon sandwich with a side of bacon, bacon wrapped scallops with dipping butter, and cheesy scrambled eggs with Tapatio - and bacon.

I don't eat bacon, so that leaves more for you.

158 turn  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:33:01am

re: #147 FrogMarch

If there is, kiss Uranus goodbye.

Oh you can planet on that for sure.

159 BlueCanuck  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:33:11am

re: #150 quickjustice

How did they classify habitable planets on Star Trek? Class M? Whatever the classification, Jupiter is not in that category. The gravitation alone would squash us.

I think this is how they did it. Not really Star Trek related.

160 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:33:21am
and a warming of the upper troposphere with possible extra emission from ammonia gas detected at mid-infrared wavelengths.

Send Algore to Jupiter!

161 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:33:38am

re: #148 JamesTKirk

They'll just sneer at you because you've never heard "Thriller" in the original Klingon.

And they won't stop till they get enough and are bouncing off the wall wil Billie Jean.

162 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:33:56am

re: #160 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Send Algore to Jupiter!

Is that an allegory for something or an idea?

163 JamesTKirk  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:34:03am

re: #160 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Send Algore to Jupiter!

That's cruel to Jupiter.

Algore is probably bigger than whatever left that last scar on Jupiter.

164 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:34:16am

re: #157 Alouette

I don't eat bacon, so that leaves more for you.


Well if the World were gonna end tomorrow, you just might want to try...But then again it might just be G-D testing you?

165 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:34:19am

re: #149 Cygnus

BBL. I have a job interview to go to. Must get the scope out ASAP and look for that spot!

What is this "job" thing of which you speak?

/Good luck!

166 dwells38  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:34:35am

re: #126 CommonCents

I like how the amatuer had to tell Nasa that something occured. Their radar must have been jammed. Hmmm, strawberry.

I think they're too busy trying to verify anthropogenic GW to pay attention to astronomical events.

167 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:34:57am

re: #150 quickjustice

How did they classify habitable planets on Star Trek? Class M? Whatever the classification, Jupiter is not in that category. The gravitation alone would squash us.

Class M meant that there was food available, at least some Rodenberries.
/paraphrasing Futurama

168 JohnnyReb  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:35:10am

re: #155 Dianna

Rocky object, no gas cloud, and cold? Unless it occluded something pretty bright, it wouldn't be readily visible.

To leave an earth sized impact footprint it would have to have been extremely big or extremely fast (or both), something that should have been visible from quite a distance for a long time.

169 BlueCanuck  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:35:16am

re: #159 BlueCanuck

Ooops, my mistake. Here's the wiki on it though. Wouldn't be surprised to see that it's been adopted by real astronomers one day.

170 Land Shark  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:35:26am

re: #114 Mad Al-Jaffee

Dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!

Shockwaves and tsunamis and raining flamming rocks, oh my!

171 LGoPs  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:35:41am

Jupiter must be a Republican stronghold. It keeps getting smacked and never hits back...
/

172 turn  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:36:24am

re: #150 quickjustice

How did they classify habitable planets on Star Trek? Class M? Whatever the classification, Jupiter is not in that category. The gravitation alone would squash us.

Either that or the hellatious radiation fields would nuke us.

173 solomonpanting  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:36:32am

re: #156 Sharmuta

You think this impact is impressive- wait until the cost of unstoppable democrat spending hits us.

The Red tape is the only thing capable of blocking a meteor.

174 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:36:33am

re: #160 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Send Algore to Jupiter!

The object that struck Jupiter should be designated "SUV" since it's clearly causing global climate change ;-)

175 blangwort  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:37:07am

re: #4 Sharmuta

I think it's great that amateurs still can contribute to science.

FTFY

(Many of the most stupendous discoveries in science came from amateurs)

176 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:37:11am

re: #164 Nevergiveup

Well if the World were gonna end tomorrow, you just might want to try...But then again it might just be G-D testing you?

I wasn't brought up religious, so I already know what that stuff tastes like.

Nope, world's end, it's me and a bunch of premium ice cream.

177 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:37:11am

How do we know it was *really* struck? I bet it's a false flag operation and Cheney and Rove are behind it!

178 Land Shark  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:37:23am

re: #152 tedzilla99

I hope that's not how Barry is planning to lower the oceans?

Of course not silly! The Obamessiah is going to part the oceans...

/

179 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:38:18am

Semi-OT: A new level of ODS...
UFOs an Obama issue

The failure of several federal agencies to respond to Larry Klayman’s FOIA requests for UFO records within the legally prescribed waiting period has apparently given the conservative agitator an opening to test President Obama’s commitment to transparency.

“I feel it’s a national security issue,” says the former Judicial Watch boss whose lawsuits dogged the Clinton administration during the Nineties. “The kinds of things, frankly, they say about how you know lawyers are lying because their lips are moving? The government’s been lying even more.”

180 Dianna  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:38:22am

re: #168 JohnnyReb

To leave an earth sized impact footprint it would have to have been extremely big or extremely fast (or both), something that should have been visible from quite a distance for a long time.

I've been thinking about it since last night. My first thought echoed yours. Then I started thinking about it, and realized that, if it doesn't have a gas cloud, and it was coming in from the outer system (Query: Oort Cloud?), it would be dark and cold. More, the solar system is really, really big.

There's a pretty good chance it couldn't be seen.

181 Killian Bundy  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:39:05am
Jupiter was recently struck by something very large

/probably all that ham and cheese TOTUS bought

182 midwestgak  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:39:12am
183 FrogMarch  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:39:33am

Senate sides with Obama, removes F-22 money

However -
Obama says health care "status quo" unacceptable. A government take-over is the only answer.

184 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:39:35am

re: #155 Dianna

Rocky object, no gas cloud, and cold? Unless it occluded something pretty bright, it wouldn't be readily visible.

Well that's certainly encouraging information. You mean that meteor heading straight for us is invisible?

185 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:39:48am

re: #179 Killgore Trout

Semi-OT: A new level of ODS...
UFOs an Obama issue

Obama wasn't born in America, he wasn't even born on Earth!
/

186 Dianna  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:39:58am

re: #179 Killgore Trout

He used to be part of Judicial Watch?! Oh, my.

187 JamesTKirk  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:40:30am

re: #184 unrealizedviewpoint

Well that's certainly encouraging information. You mean that meteor heading straight for us is invisible?

Yes. Yes it is.

Apparently you don't know where the secret beam-up spot is.

Sorry.

Bye.

188 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:40:49am

Another more interesting thing, the red spot on Jupiter is shrinking. It has lost 15% of its diameter between 1996 and 2006, approximately 1 kilometer a day during that time frame.

I always wondered what caused it... surface (being a relative term) storm? A collision of a large object? My ego?

189 tedzilla99  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:41:22am

re: #178 Land Shark

Of course not silly! The Obamessiah is going to part the oceans...

/

Right, right, sorry - looks like I have to go back to re-education camp.

190 Dianna  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:42:03am

re: #184 unrealizedviewpoint

Well that's certainly encouraging information. You mean that meteor heading straight for us is invisible?

I'm afraid it is. Or would be. Unless we have a serious search going on, of course, with computer comparisons for faint occlusions.

191 Killian Bundy  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:42:20am

re: #183 FrogMarch

Senate sides with Obama, removes F-22 money

Did you see him get on the TV and do the happy dance about it?

/billions more he can now spend on ham

192 saberry0530  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:42:24am

re: #188 MrSilverDragon

Another more interesting thing, the red spot on Jupiter is shrinking. It has lost 15% of its diameter between 1996 and 2006, approximately 1 kilometer a day during that time frame.

I always wondered what caused it... surface (being a relative term) storm? A collision of a large object? My ego?

You forgot JGW (Jupiter Global Warming)

193 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:42:26am

re: #186 Dianna

He used to be part of Judicial Watch?! Oh, my.

Yeah, he has a long history of politically motivated lawsuits. Larry Klayman

194 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:42:37am

re: #168 JohnnyReb

To leave an earth sized impact footprint it would have to have been extremely big or extremely fast (or both), something that should have been visible from quite a distance for a long time.

It was probably some huge invading alien ship. The same guys who keep screwing with the Hubble, stealing our satellites and gutting our cattle.
/

195 Dianna  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:42:52am

re: #188 MrSilverDragon

Another more interesting thing, the red spot on Jupiter is shrinking. It has lost 15% of its diameter between 1996 and 2006, approximately 1 kilometer a day during that time frame.

I always wondered what caused it... surface (being a relative term) storm? A collision of a large object? My ego?

According to some reading I've done, it's a huge storm.

196 JohnnyReb  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:43:25am

re: #180 Dianna

I've been thinking about it since last night. My first thought echoed yours. Then I started thinking about it, and realized that, if it doesn't have a gas cloud, and it was coming in from the outer system (Query: Oort Cloud?), it would be dark and cold. More, the solar system is really, really big.

There's a pretty good chance it couldn't be seen.

You are most likely right about that, after all there are a limited number of viewing platforms and time. But I certainly hope NASA keeps a weather eye out for anything in near earth orbit, cause whatever hit Jupiter was huge.

197 Desert Dog  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:44:05am

re: #190 Dianna

I'm afraid it is. Or would be. Unless we have a serious search going on, of course, with computer comparisons for faint occlusions.

Luckily, our gravitational pull is not nearly as large as Jupiter's or the other Gas Giants. Hopefully, (with no offense to them), they take the hits rather than earth.

198 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:45:01am

re: #194 unrealizedviewpoint

It was probably some huge invading alien ship. The same guys who keep screwing with the Hubble, stealing our satellites and gutting our cattle.
/


Could it be the The Islamic Spaceship of Death?

199 Killian Bundy  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:45:15am

re: #179 Killgore Trout

Semi-OT: A new level of ODS...
UFOs an Obama issue

/even on his own transition team!

200 LGoPs  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:45:42am

re: #177 Mad Al-Jaffee

How do we know it was *really* struck? I bet it's a false flag operation and Cheney and Rove are behind it!

We need some Jupiter troofers to crawl out of the woodwork...
/

201 Winslow  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:46:12am

O Jupiter

O Jupiter, immense and spinning sphere,
Thy methane and ammonia are so dear.
Thy numerous moons, like pearls, whirl around thy girth,
And put to shame the lonely moon of Earth.

O Jupiter, thou gleameth in the night,
Thy colored bands reflecting spectral light.
Thy spot of red, a storm that never dies;
O Jupiter, thou'rt music to mine eyes.

202 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:46:21am

re: #193 Killgore Trout

Yeah, he has a long history of politically motivated lawsuits. Larry Klayman

The character and content of this particular incident aside, the government should respond to its legal obligations under FOIA.

203 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:46:31am

re: #189 tedzilla99

Right, right, sorry - looks like I have to go back to re-education camp.

They've been renamed to Obama's Holiday Camps.
///

204 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:46:53am

re: #195 Dianna

According to some reading I've done, it's a huge storm.

Yes, but what was the trigger, is my question. And why does the spot change color, flipping between a pale and vibrant red? Is it dredging something up to change the color? An ionization of sorts?

205 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:48:09am

You know, if you type "jovian" into Word, it wants to change it to "jovial". I get a lot of those "corrections" in astronomy papers.
But Gustav Holst called Jupiter "the bringer of jollity" in his Planets suite, so maybe Microsoft Word is correct.

206 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:48:24am

We send probes to Mars, Venus, Jupiter ... why not Uranus?

207 JamesTKirk  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:48:29am

re: #194 unrealizedviewpoint

It was probably some huge invading alien ship. The same guys who keep screwing with the Hubble, stealing our satellites and gutting our cattle.
/

"It's gay Martians, Stewart, I swear to God!"

208 AuntAcid  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:48:36am

re: #194 unrealizedviewpoint

It was probably some huge invading alien ship. The same guys who keep screwing with the Hubble, stealing our satellites and gutting our cattle.
/

...and the women...the pretty , thin and young women...they are all disappearing too... aliens...that explains it...freaking aliens.

209 LGoPs  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:48:39am

Getting smacked like this makes Global Warming or Cooling or whatever they're calling it today seem pretty mild by comparison.
We need something new to get our panties in a bunch about. Global Warming is sooo...last week.
/

210 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:48:51am

re: #198 NJDhockeyfan

Could it be the The Islamic Spaceship of Death?

Hadn't seen that video in years. Wow! Nutjob Farrakhan.

Did Mohammad address Space Aliens?

211 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:49:25am

re: #199 Killian Bundy

Heh.

212 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:49:28am

re: #188 MrSilverDragon

Another more interesting thing, the red spot on Jupiter is shrinking. It has lost 15% of its diameter between 1996 and 2006, approximately 1 kilometer a day during that time frame.

I always wondered what caused it... surface (being a relative term) storm? A collision of a large object? My ego?

And what is causing it to shrink? A ginormous tube of Prep-H?

213 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:50:59am

re: #206 eschew_obfuscation

We send probes to Mars, Venus, Jupiter ... why not Uranus?

Voyager 2 - going where no man has gone before.

214 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:51:17am

OT:
While there is much scientific and religious controversy over when, exactly, the moment of life begins, the Jewish tradition is clear: The fetus is not considered viable until after it graduates from medical school.

215 ShanghaiEd  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:51:20am

re: #108 saberry0530

I think that is still illegal in Alabama...

No, you just have to have a written note from your doctor...

216 LGoPs  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:51:21am

re: #188 MrSilverDragon

Another more interesting thing, the red spot on Jupiter is shrinking. It has lost 15% of its diameter between 1996 and 2006, approximately 1 kilometer a day during that time frame.

I always wondered what caused it... surface (being a relative term) storm? A collision of a large object? My ego?

It must be Jovian Cooling. They don't have an Al Gore to fix this for them. Poor bastards.
/

217 LGoPs  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:51:50am

re: #214 Spare O'Lake

OT:
While there is much scientific and religious controversy over when, exactly, the moment of life begins, the Jewish tradition is clear: The fetus is not considered viable until after it graduates from medical school.

LOL...
:>)

218 midwestgak  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:52:09am

re: #206 eschew_obfuscation

We send probes to Mars, Venus, Jupiter ... why not Uranus?

Okay I'll bite. Because it stinks and no one wants to look at it?

219 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:52:49am

re: #206 eschew_obfuscation

We send probes to Mars, Venus, Jupiter ... why not Uranus?

Serious question? We did.

220 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:53:02am

re: #213 lawhawk

Voyager 2 - going where no man has gone before.

I just knew someone would answer that seriously ;-)

(Thanks!)

221 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:53:05am

re: #218 midwestgak

Okay I'll bite. Because it stinks and no one wants to look at it?

Depends on whose, actually.

222 J.S.  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:53:09am

OT

The BBC broadcast an interesting program the other day -- in the series called "The Sky at Night" -- the program was about the Apollo mission ("The Apollo Miracle, Part II"). Anyway, a commentator noted a way to locate the landing sites of the six lunar missions...and, it's by looking for two figures (as seen during a full moon, when the observer is on the ground). You look for "The Lady in the Moon", and the "Basketball Player." The "lady in the moon" has two bunches of hair at the top of her head -- between the two was where Apollo 17 landed; where her ear would be, that was the Apollo 11 landing site; where the base of her ear would be was the Apollo 16 landing site. Then, for the Basketball player, just above the right ear was Apollo 15; Apollo 12, top of shoulder; and Apollo 14 between hand and shoulder...Thus, 6 landing sites, each locatable using the two imagined "figures"...

223 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:53:09am

re: #206 eschew_obfuscation

We send probes to Mars, Venus, Jupiter ... why not Uranus?

They do, but they keep getting lost up there?

224 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:53:11am

re: #214 Spare O'Lake

OT:
While there is much scientific and religious controversy over when, exactly, the moment of life begins, the Jewish tradition is clear: The fetus is not considered viable until after it graduates from medical school.

Lol. I always tell my kids (jokingly) that they can be whatever they want: A doctor or a lawyer.

The "jokingly" part is that in reality, they can only be doctors./

225 doppelganglander  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:53:28am

Paging zombie ... John Holdren is on the front page of foxnews.com (link goes directly to the story). No mention of the Undead One, but Front Page is credited.

226 LGoPs  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:53:37am

re: #206 eschew_obfuscation

We send probes to Mars, Venus, Jupiter ... why not Uranus?

Cause the Democrats already have their heads stuck up there?
/

227 jcm  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:53:41am

re: #188 MrSilverDragon

Another more interesting thing, the red spot on Jupiter is shrinking. It has lost 15% of its diameter between 1996 and 2006, approximately 1 kilometer a day during that time frame.

I always wondered what caused it... surface (being a relative term) storm? A collision of a large object? My ego?

Global warming on Jupiter, Jovians just invented their own SUV.

228 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:54:02am

re: #223 unrealizedviewpoint

They do, but they keep getting lost up there?

Sucked into the brown hole.
/so very sorry

229 turn  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:55:58am

re: #226 LGoPs

Cause the Democrats already have their heads stuck up there?
/

LOL btw I don't know if you noticed this AM but you have something like 3 of the top 10 comments.

230 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:55:59am

re: #227 jcm

Global warming on Jupiter, Jovians just invented their own SUV.

Heh...check my #174

231 ShanghaiEd  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:56:30am

re: #221 Kosh's Shadow

Depends on whose, actually.

In other words, UMV. (Uranus May Vary.)

232 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:56:55am

re: #231 ShanghaiEd

In other words, UMV. (Uranus May Vary.)

Batteries not included...

233 jcm  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:57:08am

re: #230 eschew_obfuscation

Heh...check my #174

LOL!

234 SixDegrees  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:57:10am

re: #168 JohnnyReb

To leave an earth sized impact footprint it would have to have been extremely big or extremely fast (or both), something that should have been visible from quite a distance for a long time.

Estimates put it at between 50 to 100 miles in diameter, if it was a rocky object, traveling around 30 to 60 mph.

Not that large.

[Link: edition.cnn.com...]

235 Russkilitlover  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:57:37am

re: #224 Creeping Eruption

Lol. I always tell my kids (jokingly) that they can be whatever they want: A doctor or a lawyer.

The "jokingly" part is that in reality, they can only be doctors./

I hope they do it out of love of the work, 'cause there sure ain't gonna be any money in it.

236 ShanghaiEd  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:57:52am

re: #232 eschew_obfuscation

Batteries not included...

No, Uranus is strictly solar-powered.

237 Buck  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:58:46am

It is a Monolith!

238 BlueCanuck  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:58:46am

re: #234 SixDegrees

That's an Earth killer right there. Not large is relative to the size of body it's impacting. For Jupiter, it's nothing. For us? Welll...

239 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:58:53am

re: #234 SixDegrees

Estimates put it at between 50 to 100 miles in diameter, if it was a rocky object, traveling around 30 to 60 mph.

Not that large.

[Link: edition.cnn.com...]

I think you meant 30 to 60 miles per second?

240 LGoPs  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 10:59:31am

re: #229 turn

LOL btw I don't know if you noticed this AM but you have something like 3 of the top 10 comments.

Yes, thanks. I seemed to be uncharacteristically inspired yesterday. Now, back to my normal, humdrum existence I guess...
:)

241 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 11:00:16am

re: #206 eschew_obfuscation

We send probes to Mars, Venus, Jupiter ... why not Uranus?

Because the aliens already do that.

242 subsailor68  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 11:01:35am

Afternoon all!! Don't know if this has been discussed, but kind of interesting:

U.S. withheld data on risks of distracted driving

Bottom line - looks like data was collected, study never completed due to fears of angering Congress, but cellphone use (including texting) could be as bad as driving drunk.

No? Really?

Here are a few things that I've noticed while driving - all of which involve someone on the phone (I know, it's anecdotal, not empirical):

1. The person's head is tilted slightly, to the side on which the driver is holding the phone. (Some police forces refer to these folks as "tilt-heads.")
2. The car doesn't weave - like a drunk driver - but the speed will go up and down as someone is distracted, then looks at the speedometer.
3. The car will generally cross two or more lanes at the last minute to make a turn - as the driver finally realizes he's about to miss the turn. (BTW, odds are, he won't look in the rear view mirror to see if you're in one of the lanes.)
4. Turns. Doesn't matter if it's a left hand turn or a right hand turn. The car will either turn a bit wide, or a bit short (and over correct coming back). Finally decided this must be because most folks hold the phone in their strong-side hand, leaving the weak side hand to do the damn driving.
5. Stop lights. Yep, they'll generally run 'em, or come close, cause they're not paying attention to the change. (Same thing with stop signs.)
6. Intersections. Yep, they'll generally block 'em in a red light situation, because they got into it as the light was changing, and - oops - no place to back up.

Any other lizards have symptoms they've noticed?

243 JamesTKirk  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 11:03:39am

re: #242 subsailor68

Afternoon all!! Don't know if this has been discussed, but kind of interesting:

U.S. withheld data on risks of distracted driving

Bottom line - looks like data was collected, study never completed due to fears of angering Congress, but cellphone use (including texting) could be as bad as driving drunk.

No? Really?

Here are a few things that I've noticed while driving - all of which involve someone on the phone (I know, it's anecdotal, not empirical):

1. The person's head is tilted slightly, to the side on which the driver is holding the phone. (Some police forces refer to these folks as "tilt-heads.")
2. The car doesn't weave - like a drunk driver - but the speed will go up and down as someone is distracted, then looks at the speedometer.
3. The car will generally cross two or more lanes at the last minute to make a turn - as the driver finally realizes he's about to miss the turn. (BTW, odds are, he won't look in the rear view mirror to see if you're in one of the lanes.)
4. Turns. Doesn't matter if it's a left hand turn or a right hand turn. The car will either turn a bit wide, or a bit short (and over correct coming back). Finally decided this must be because most folks hold the phone in their strong-side hand, leaving the weak side hand to do the damn driving.
5. Stop lights. Yep, they'll generally run 'em, or come close, cause they're not paying attention to the change. (Same thing with stop signs.)
6. Intersections. Yep, they'll generally block 'em in a red light situation, because they got into it as the light was changing, and - oops - no place to back up.

Any other lizards have symptoms they've noticed?

Yeah, way too many of them have Obama bumper stickers.

Then again, I see way too many cars in general with Obama bumper stickers.

244 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 11:03:46am

re: #242 subsailor68

Whenever I see someone merging without paying attention to oncoming traffic, they're on a cell phone.
Or they're New York drivers who seem to deliberately line up with the traffic already on the road to see who gives first.

245 SixDegrees  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 11:03:48am

re: #239 eschew_obfuscation

I think you meant 30 to 60 miles per second?

Correct. My bad.

246 subsailor68  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 11:04:32am

re: #243 JamesTKirk

Yeah, way too many of them have Obama bumper stickers.

Then again, I see way too many cars in general with Obama bumper stickers.

LOL!! Now that's a keeper!!

:-)

247 SixDegrees  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 11:05:04am

re: #238 BlueCanuck

That's an Earth killer right there. Not large is relative to the size of body it's impacting. For Jupiter, it's nothing. For us? Welll...

Yeah, plenty large enough to do serious damage. Not at all easy to spot from the distance involved, though, which is what the original poster was questioning.

248 Randall Gross  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 11:05:32am
249 ShanghaiEd  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 11:05:48am

re: #215 ShanghaiEd

No, you just have to have a written note from your doctor...

And, lest anyone think I jest about my home state:

A Sex Toy a Day Keeps the Doctor Away?

Earlier this week, the Supreme Court declined to hear a nine-year-old case challenging Alabama's ban on the sale of sex toys. The state law prohibits the distribution of "any device designed or marketed as useful primarily for the stimulation of human genital organs for anything of pecuniary value." The law, though, does make exceptions for "a bona fide medical, scientific, educational, legislative, judicial, or law enforcement purpose."

Law enforcement purpose? Have to use your imagination, I guess...

250 haakondahl  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 11:06:20am

re: #5 Nevergiveup

If you knew one that big was going to hit Earth tomorrow, what would you do tonight?

Start digging. I hate leaving a mess for others.

251 JohnnyReb  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 11:06:25am

re: #234 SixDegrees

Estimates put it at between 50 to 100 miles in diameter, if it was a rocky object, traveling around 30 to 60 mph.

Not that large.

[Link: edition.cnn.com...]

A hundred mile in diameter object hitting the earth would pretty much wipe us out and most life on the planet. The supposed dinosaur killer was thought to be only 6 miles in diameter.

252 Land Shark  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 11:07:56am

re: #179 Killgore Trout

Ahaa! I knew it! The nirthers were right all along! Obama really is an alien!!! My bet is his father was a Romulan while his mother was a Ferengi. So that's how he got them ears...

/

253 SixDegrees  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 11:09:40am

re: #242 subsailor68

Afternoon all!! Don't know if this has been discussed, but kind of interesting:

U.S. withheld data on risks of distracted driving

Bottom line - looks like data was collected, study never completed due to fears of angering Congress, but cellphone use (including texting) could be as bad as driving drunk.

No? Really?

Here are a few things that I've noticed while driving - all of which involve someone on the phone (I know, it's anecdotal, not empirical):

1. The person's head is tilted slightly, to the side on which the driver is holding the phone. (Some police forces refer to these folks as "tilt-heads.")
2. The car doesn't weave - like a drunk driver - but the speed will go up and down as someone is distracted, then looks at the speedometer.
3. The car will generally cross two or more lanes at the last minute to make a turn - as the driver finally realizes he's about to miss the turn. (BTW, odds are, he won't look in the rear view mirror to see if you're in one of the lanes.)
4. Turns. Doesn't matter if it's a left hand turn or a right hand turn. The car will either turn a bit wide, or a bit short (and over correct coming back). Finally decided this must be because most folks hold the phone in their strong-side hand, leaving the weak side hand to do the damn driving.
5. Stop lights. Yep, they'll generally run 'em, or come close, cause they're not paying attention to the change. (Same thing with stop signs.)
6. Intersections. Yep, they'll generally block 'em in a red light situation, because they got into it as the light was changing, and - oops - no place to back up.

Any other lizards have symptoms they've noticed?

This is a well known, well studied effect. I don't understand why there would be any effort to suppress this, other than the realization that the work has already been done at least a dozen times in the past, by a variety of researchers from a variety of countries. They all reach the same conclusion: talking on cellphones while driving is extremely dangerous, and it doesn't matter whether you use a hands-free phone or a hand-held model. The practice ought to be banned; there are roadsides conveniently placed right next to every road where you can pull over if you absolutely must make a phone call.

I predict that insurance companies and police departments will soon be authorized to automatically collect cell phone information along with other accident details. If your phone was being used when the crash occurred, look for additional penalties and reduced coverage.

254 Land Shark  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 11:12:02am

re: #242 subsailor68

You nailed it man! You must live in South Florida, because I see stuff like that every single day.

I used to answer my cell phone will driving until the time I almost smacked into the back of a mini van from being distracted on the phone. It was this close. Now I just let the damn thing ring and call back if they leave a message.

255 subsailor68  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 11:12:49am

re: #253 SixDegrees

Hi six! Oops! You're absolutely spot-on! Don't have the link handy, but you're right when you call out hands-free phones as well. Saw a study that indicated there wasn't really any difference in distraction. Thanks!

(Also agree with ya on the insurance companies and police depts.)

256 SixDegrees  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 11:12:55am

re: #251 JohnnyReb

A hundred mile in diameter object hitting the earth would pretty much wipe us out and most life on the planet. The supposed dinosaur killer was thought to be only 6 miles in diameter.

Yes, I'm aware of that. It would also be very difficult to spot from the distance of Jupiter or greater.

257 ShanghaiEd  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 11:14:34am

re: #242 subsailor68

Afternoon all!! Don't know if this has been discussed, but kind of interesting:

U.S. withheld data on risks of distracted driving

Bottom line - looks like data was collected, study never completed due to fears of angering Congress, but cellphone use (including texting) could be as bad as driving drunk.

No? Really?

Here are a few things that I've noticed while driving - all of which involve someone on the phone (I know, it's anecdotal, not empirical):

1. The person's head is tilted slightly, to the side on which the driver is holding the phone. (Some police forces refer to these folks as "tilt-heads.")
2. The car doesn't weave - like a drunk driver - but the speed will go up and down as someone is distracted, then looks at the speedometer.
3. The car will generally cross two or more lanes at the last minute to make a turn - as the driver finally realizes he's about to miss the turn. (BTW, odds are, he won't look in the rear view mirror to see if you're in one of the lanes.)
4. Turns. Doesn't matter if it's a left hand turn or a right hand turn. The car will either turn a bit wide, or a bit short (and over correct coming back). Finally decided this must be because most folks hold the phone in their strong-side hand, leaving the weak side hand to do the damn driving.
5. Stop lights. Yep, they'll generally run 'em, or come close, cause they're not paying attention to the change. (Same thing with stop signs.)
6. Intersections. Yep, they'll generally block 'em in a red light situation, because they got into it as the light was changing, and - oops - no place to back up.

Any other lizards have symptoms they've noticed?

sub: Wow. Interesting article. "Angering" Congress? "Lobbying" states?

Sounds fishy to me. I'm betting a ten-spot that a lot of cell phone company dollars ended up in official pockets, for this transaction. But, I'm paranoid that way.

258 subsailor68  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 11:14:48am

re: #254 Land Shark

You nailed it man! You must live in South Florida, because I see stuff like that every single day.

I used to answer my cell phone will driving until the time I almost smacked into the back of a mini van from being distracted on the phone. It was this close. Now I just let the damn thing ring and call back if they leave a message.

Hi Land Shark!! Nope (although I went through Sonar School in Key West back in the dark ages). I live in the Texas Hill Country and we're seeing the same thing! And yep, you and me both on letting it just ring until I can pull over somewhere.

259 lurking faith  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 11:40:08am

re: #200 LGoPs

We need some Jupiter troofers to crawl out of the woodwork...
/

U dummies theirs no Jupiter. Its all a big Fake dont u GET IT??? They just want you to pay $$$ for FAKE space eksplorashun n stuff
///

260 Ursus Maritimus  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 12:08:06pm

This should lead to a reevaluation of the current estimates of asteroid flux. It could be a coincidence that this and SL happened so close in time, it could be that the flux over all is underestimated, it could be that the flux at that location, ie out near Jupiter is underestimated, or it could be that Jupiters effective cross section is underestimated. Anyway it deserves a second look.

I'd be quite surprised if a lot of grad students right this moment arn't starting to think about writing papers about it.

261 Richie  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 12:46:44pm

Jupiter can take it.

262 kevrobin45  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 5:52:14pm

Pluto said it tried to say something but no one would listen...

263 Throbert McGee  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 8:22:07pm

Someone has probably already said this, but -- in a way, it looks like Divine Providence (as Jefferson might've said) or Intelligent Design™ (as David Klinghoffer et al. would say) that Jupiter and the other gas giants are out there to attract and harmlessly absorb space debris with their massive gravity -- or else our tiny little Earth might've gotten pummeled to smithereens before life had a chance to evolve.

Essential difference between the Intelligent Design™ crowd and "theistic evolutionists":

The IDers, who are quite often Christian Protestant fundamentalists in disguise, will say, "aha, this particular phenomenon can't possibly have occurred without a plan behind it, therefore God must exist, and by 'God' I mean 'Jesus,' and atheists and Jews can go screw themselves."

But theistic evolutionists, in contrast, have the wisdom to say: "Hmm -- sure, maybe there's no God and this all happened in a purely naturalistic way... yet on the other hand, maybe there's a supernatural, transcendent God who saw fit to create a naturalistic Universe that could run by itself without the need for miraculous interventions."

(And I would argue that overuse of miracles would be bad for the mental and cultural development of humans and whatever other human-like intelligences might exist in our gigantic Universe. By constantly performing miracles that suspend the laws of nature, God would be dooming us to a perpetual child-like and pre-scientific state of existence. Thus, strict naturalism is good for the creations even if the Creator is supernatural.)

264 Throbert McGee  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 8:39:59pm

re: #32 MrSilverDragon

Something to ponder...

If Jupiter was not there in the Solar System, pulling in countless asteroids and comets and other large space debris, the chances of the Earth being struck by any of those items goes up exponentially. I believe Jupiter deserves a lot more credit than it gets.

Thank you, Jupiter.

Just quoting this (after a quick scroll-up-and-scan through the thread) because it made essentially the same point as I did in #263.

By the way, the Indo-European etymology of "Jupiter" means something like "shining father." Of course, the ancient Greeks and Romans who noticed Jupiter moving about in the night sky had no idea that it was actually a huge ball of gas with dozens of moons, much less that it played a protective "paternal" role for Earth by sponging up asteroids and comets that might otherwise have hit our poor li'l planet. (Saturn, Neptune, and Uranus also did their part, but Jupiter's gravity was the mightiest of them all.)


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