AR Republican Candidate Coleman: Stem Cell Research is Like Nazi Medical Experiments

PoliticsFebruary 2010 • Views: 2,942

A few days ago Thom Hartmann interviewed Curtis Coleman, Republican candidate for the US Senate in Arkansas, and asked if Coleman would apologize for his bizarre and ugly comparison of stem cell research to Nazi medical experimentation.

Embryonic stem cell research is the concept of taking a life and using it to conduct experiments so we can temporarily extend somebody else’s life. Let me tell you what I just described — I just described what the Nazis did to the Jews in the death camps of World War 2.

But Coleman, of course, sees no reason to apologize to Holocaust survivors or anyone else.

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291 comments

MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 10:39:22am

Keep this idiot out of D.C..

Obdicut Tue, Feb 16, 2010 10:40:53am

From the ashes of my ancestors, a deep 'fuck you' to Mr. Coleman.

And I'll believe his sincerity when he advocates the banning of IVF.

badger1970 Tue, Feb 16, 2010 10:44:10am

An idiot politician shows how much science he understands and insults survivors of genocide at the same time.

lawhawk Tue, Feb 16, 2010 10:48:10am

The stupid. It burns!

Varek Raith Tue, Feb 16, 2010 10:49:37am

W.T.F.
The GOP sure as hell is doing its damndest to alienate the non-base vote.

Jadespring Tue, Feb 16, 2010 10:51:39am

Does this guy have a chance of actually being elected?

MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 10:52:10am

I'm looking for ties to Jim Bob Duggar but I'm finding none.

tradewind Tue, Feb 16, 2010 10:53:39am

Not to worry. There are no fewer than eight potential Republican candidates, so hopefully he'll wash out.

What, me worry? Tue, Feb 16, 2010 10:53:42am

LOL You really just have to laugh. The Democrats want to move us into the 21st century with the height of technology. The Republicans will never see a better decade than 1950. One of the worst decades in American history for a multitude of reasons, civil rights, the role of women in society and no technology to name a few. Ok, the TV was a big deal.

And btw, stem cells do not necessarily come from fetuses, but don't let that change your talking points.

Morons.

jamesfirecat Tue, Feb 16, 2010 10:53:47am

Umm... there are just so many things wrong with this I don't know where to start.

(Goes to wikipedia to get himself informed)

Stem cells that are used for research tend to be the result of embryos that were put aside, but never used in Invitro fertilization. They can either sit on a shelf/in a freezer somewhere till they naturally degrade or they can be used to help real living people.

The only way these things are going to ever become children is if you find someone with a womb who doesn't mind carrying a kid in them for nine months, not to mention hopefully looking after it as well also!

jamesfirecat Tue, Feb 16, 2010 10:54:13am

re: #6 Jadespring

Does this guy have a chance of actually being elected?

Not any more we can only hope....

tradewind Tue, Feb 16, 2010 10:54:33am

re: #7 MandyManners
It's AR... you don't have to look, Mandy, it's a given there's a cousin relationship there somewhere.//
(just kidding.... I love Arkansas).

Varek Raith Tue, Feb 16, 2010 10:57:06am

re: #9 marjoriemoon

LOL You really just have to laugh. The Democrats want to move us into the 21st century with the height of technology. The Republicans will never see a better decade than 1950. One of the worst decades in American history for a multitude of reasons, civil rights, the role of women in society and no technology to name a few. Ok, the TV was a big deal.

And btw, stem cells do not necessarily come from fetuses, but don't let that change your talking points.

Moroans.

FTFY.
Constant fear of total annihilation by the Soviets...Yeah, wonderful times.
/;)

Petero1818 Tue, Feb 16, 2010 10:57:30am

While I am in no way advocating it, I wonder how this guy would respond if he were presented with the terrible choice of having his wife or daughter experimented on, vs. having stem cell's harvested from either of them experimented on. If it is indeed the same thing, he most certainly could not choose. Only asshole ideologues make such stupid comments.

Political Atheist Tue, Feb 16, 2010 10:57:41am

re: #6 Jadespring
Not really.

[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com...]

Jadespring Tue, Feb 16, 2010 10:59:25am

re: #8 tradewind

Not to worry. There are no fewer than eight potential Republican candidates, so hopefully he'll wash out.

That answers my question. He's not THE candidate.

wrenchwench Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:00:16am

re: #9 marjoriemoon

LOL You really just have to laugh....

I appreciate the reminder. Once per thread, please!

tradewind Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:02:10am

re: #16 Jadespring
Gilbert Baker is the front runner, according to several polls. Still early.
However, AR has gone from ' Likely Democrat ' to ' Leans Republican ' in a CQ poll just out....

Varek Raith Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:02:29am

BBT, off to ~~slave in the ...~~err..uh, work.

;)

lawhawk Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:02:29am

Courtesy in the air? Eh?

Not so much. Mitt Romney attacked on an Air Canada flight by unruly passenger in seat ahead of him:

Romney spokesman Eric Fehrnstrom says the one-time presidential candidate and his wife, Ann, were an Air Canada plane which was getting ready to take off when the incident occurred.
The man seated in front of Mrs. Romney pushed his seat back, and when the GOP politician asked that he put his seat upright for take off, the passenger became "physically violent," according to Canada's The Globe and Mail.

The ex-gov did not retaliate, his spokesman said, as the airline crew intervened. The plane returned to the gate, the man was ejected, and the flight resumed.

Political Atheist Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:03:40am

re: #15 Rightwingconspirator

Not really.

[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com...]

Republican Frontrunner site
[Link: www.arkleg.state.ar.us...]

Outrage factoid-Had to apologize for calling Schumer "that Jew".

tradewind Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:04:35am

re: #20 lawhawk

The ex-gov did not retaliate, his spokesman said,

So Democrats will say ' Romney soft on crime'.//

badger1970 Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:04:42am

re: #20 lawhawk

Courtesy in the air? Eh?

Not so much. Mitt Romney attacked on an Air Canada flight by unruly passenger in seat ahead of him:

I wonder if it had anything to do with SLC '02?

Vicious Michigan Union Thug Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:05:29am

Frivolous comparisons of trivial stuff to the Holocaust fills me with rage.

Obdicut Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:05:41am

re: #22 tradewind

Romney reminds me most of San Francisco's own Gavin Newsom.

And believe me, that isn't a good thing.

MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:05:44am

He's not totally opposed to biotech.

Cofounder and former president and C.E.O. of Safe Foods Corp..

MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:06:03am

re: #16 Jadespring

That answers my question. He's not THE candidate.

Bingo.

tradewind Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:06:24am

re: #21 Rightwingconspirator
He looks like he's halfway out of it. Finding someone more insignificant
would be difficult.
It's a vile thing he said, but he's probably not even newsworthy.

jaunte Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:06:30am

re: #20 lawhawk

Sounds like a random case of first-class passenger entitlement syndrome.

tradewind Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:07:13am

re: #25 Obdicut
Why, because he's teh hawt?
They couldn't be more different, politically.

MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:07:21am

re: #12 tradewind

It's AR... you don't have to look, Mandy, it's a given there's a cousin relationship there somewhere.//
(just kidding... I love Arkansas).

He's connected to Huckabee somehow. I read somewhere that either his daughter-in-law was on Huckabee's campaign staff or Huckabee's daughter-in-law is on his campaign staff.

badger1970 Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:08:16am

re: #31 MandyManners

eewww, icky (and not surprising if true).

MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:08:18am

re: #21 Rightwingconspirator

Republican Frontrunner site
[Link: www.arkleg.state.ar.us...]

Outrage factoid-Had to apologize for calling Schumer "that Jew".

Fucker's really a class act.

tradewind Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:08:46am

re: #5 Varek Raith
He's not the nominee.... easy on the broad GOP brush.

MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:08:54am

re: #32 badger1970

eewww, icky (and not surprising if true).

It's a small state.

Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:08:57am

OT: Palestinian protesters pose as Na'vi from "Avatar"

Good Grief!

MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:09:21am

re: #34 tradewind

He's not the nominee... easy on the broad GOP brush.

Smear early!

Vicious Michigan Union Thug Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:09:35am

re: #36 Mad Al-Jaffee

OT: Palestinian protesters pose as Na'vi from "Avatar"

Good Grief!

Na'Vi is a Hebrew word.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:10:06am

re: #7 MandyManners

I'm looking for ties to Jim Bob Duggar but I'm finding none.

The Quiverfull people?

jamesfirecat Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:10:21am

re: #24 Alouette

Frivolous comparisons of trivial stuff to the Holocaust fills me with rage.

"Then they came for the hyperbolic and paranoid and I had no choice but to get on the bus because I'm psycho!"

Jon Stewart....

tradewind Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:10:24am

re: #31 MandyManners
That's enough to deep-six him right there IMO.
Regardless of party.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:10:57am

re: #9 marjoriemoon

LOL You really just have to laugh. The Democrats want to move us into the 21st century with the height of technology. The Republicans will never see a better decade than 1950. One of the worst decades in American history for a multitude of reasons, civil rights, the role of women in society and no technology to name a few. Ok, the TV was a big deal.

And btw, stem cells do not necessarily come from fetuses, but don't let that change your talking points.

Morons.

The music in the 50s was pretty good.

Fashion, less so.

Obdicut Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:11:18am

re: #30 tradewind

Opportunists, taking credit for the works of others, and distancing themselves from positions they championed.

Mitt on health care these days is pretty damn funny.

MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:11:36am

No Nazi comments on his page.

MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:11:59am

re: #39 SanFranciscoZionist

The Quiverfull people?

Nineteen and counting!

Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:12:11am

re: #38 Alouette

Na'Vi is a Hebrew word.

Hebrew for Smurf?

MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:12:36am

re: #41 tradewind

That's enough to deep-six him right there IMO.
Regardless of party.

In the minds of others? I hope.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:12:39am

re: #10 jamesfirecat

Umm... there are just so many things wrong with this I don't know where to start.

(Goes to wikipedia to get himself informed)

Stem cells that are used for research tend to be the result of embryos that were put aside, but never used in Invitro fertilization. They can either sit on a shelf/in a freezer somewhere till they naturally degrade or they can be used to help real living people.

The only way these things are going to ever become children is if you find someone with a womb who doesn't mind carrying a kid in them for nine months, not to mention hopefully looking after it as well also!

The disturbing thing is that most of these guys don't seem to have any issue with these embryos being created and put on ice, or discarded, which they often are, but they'll fight like hell to prevent stem cell work. I do not get it.

tradewind Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:13:32am

re: #37 MandyManners
It's just fear-biting. The Democrats are in mild panic mode this morning.

Kragar Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:13:37am

Keep this ignorant twat out of office

Vicious Michigan Union Thug Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:13:47am

re: #42 SanFranciscoZionist

The music in the 50s was pretty good.

Fashion, less so.

The 1970's was the worst fashion decade ever, in the entire history of civilization.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:13:52am

re: #20 lawhawk

Courtesy in the air? Eh?

Not so much. Mitt Romney attacked on an Air Canada flight by unruly passenger in seat ahead of him:

Oh good Lord. Hope he's not hurt.

Kragar Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:14:15am

re: #38 Alouette

Na'Vi is a Hebrew word.

JEWS...IN...SPACE!!!

tradewind Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:14:24am

re: #45 MandyManners
The little nineteenth is fighting for life in Little Rock, although said to be doing well. She was born at twenty-five and a half weeks.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:14:51am

re: #22 tradewind

So Democrats will say ' Romney soft on crime'.//

Better than "Romney detained for clobbering crazy guy on plane."

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:15:17am

re: #25 Obdicut

Romney reminds me most of San Francisco's own Gavin Newsom.

And believe me, that isn't a good thing.

Do they have anything in common beside Good Hair?

Petero1818 Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:15:22am

re: #52 SanFranciscoZionist

No he was not hurt. But he was in Economy class for some reason. Tha tmust have been painful for him.

MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:15:22am

re: #49 tradewind

It's just fear-biting. The Democrats are in mild panic mode this morning.

Bayh did it?

jamesfirecat Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:15:24am

re: #48 SanFranciscoZionist

The disturbing thing is that most of these guys don't seem to have any issue with these embryos being created and put on ice, or discarded, which they often are, but they'll fight like hell to prevent stem cell work. I do not get it.

Yeah I mean they're gonna be either tossed out into disposed of for being past their "best if used by" date, without achieving anything or maybe we can get some good out of them.

ITS NOT A HARD CHOICE!

Kragar Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:15:35am

re: #51 Alouette

The 1970's was the worst fashion decade ever, in the entire history of civilization.

I can think of some worse fashions, usually due to their lethal tendecies which lead to the death of the wearers.

badger1970 Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:15:50am

re: #51 Alouette

The 1970's was the worst fashion decade ever, in the entire history of civilization.

What's wrong with these duds?

1977 JC Penny Catalog

MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:15:59am

re: #54 tradewind

The little nineteenth is fighting for life in Little Rock, although said to be doing well. She was born at twenty-five and a half weeks.

I wonder if this could be a wake-up call to QUIT HAVING BABIES.

lawhawk Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:16:15am

re: #52 SanFranciscoZionist

Doesn't appear to be the case. And if he fought with the flight staff, he'd be facing federal charges in addition to missing his flight.

Some people just don't take the rules seriously on flights (like keeping the seats in the upright position for takeoff/landing).

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:16:24am

re: #28 tradewind

He looks like he's halfway out of it. Finding someone more insignificant
would be difficult.
It's a vile thing he said, but he's probably not even newsworthy.

Only in the sense that he's parroting real lines of thought about stem-cell, some of which may be repeated by more viable candidates.

And in the sense that people may want to make a note, in case his name pops up in some future race.

Obdicut Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:17:06am

re: #55 SanFranciscoZionist

See above.

And their refusal to engage with the hoi-polloi when it comes to answering questions.

Youtube Video

MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:17:45am

When Annie Brown's daughter, Isabel, was a month old, her pediatrician asked Brown and her husband to sit down because he had some bad news to tell them: Isabel carried a gene that put her at risk for cystic fibrosis.

While grateful to have the information -- Isabel received further testing and she doesn't have the disease -- the Mankato, Minnesota, couple wondered how the doctor knew about Isabel's genes in the first place. After all, they'd never consented to genetic testing.

It's simple, the pediatrician answered: Newborn babies in the United States are routinely screened for a panel of genetic diseases. Since the testing is mandated by the government, it's often done without the parents' consent, according to Brad Therrell, director of the National Newborn Screening & Genetics Resource Center.

In many states, such as Florida, where Isabel was born, babies' DNA is stored indefinitely, according to the resource center.

Many parents don't realize their baby's DNA is being stored in a government lab, but sometimes when they find out, as the Browns did, they take action. Parents in Texas, and Minnesota have filed lawsuits, and these parents' concerns are sparking a new debate about whether it's appropriate for a baby's genetic blueprint to be in the government's possession.

SNIP

Kragar Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:17:45am

Ah, here we go:

torrentprime Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:17:52am

re: #37 MandyManners

Smear early!

Truthfully pointing out the positions held by a GOP candidate is smearing the GOP, when you stop, throw all logic out the window, and think about it.

keloyd Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:18:01am

The most important message here is that the private sector is a better judge of where to put r&d resources than Big Brother and his Ministries of Truth, Love, and Abundance.

Europe has lots of politically motivated left wing quack science on subjects like genetically modified foods. We have the occasional religious outlier wiht the stem cells=abortion hangups (imho). The difference between the US and most of Europe is government-induced quackery is much more influential, to their detriment.

Academic freedom (including the tenure tradition that allows for the occasional freeloading nut as well as a way to pay people with something other than money) and interest of the well-run corporation in shareholder value are exceedingly good things.

I'll give NASA a pass though, socialized space exploration is ok with me.

jamesfirecat Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:18:03am

re: #62 MandyManners

I wonder if this could be a wake-up call to QUIT HAVING BABIES.

Wait someone is actually has ninteen kids? I'm sure Octomom and her 14 (if memory serves she had a sextuplet pregnancy beforehand) are just heart broken over the news....

Stanghazi Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:18:09am

re: #61 badger1970

What's wrong with these duds?

1977 JC Penny Catalog

OMG - we HAD the barrel furniture in our basement!

Political Atheist Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:18:31am

re: #31 MandyManners

Like this maybe?
[Link: www.politico.com...]
Boozman hires Sarah Huckabee for Senate run

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:18:33am

re: #45 MandyManners

Nineteen and counting!

I would run away from home if I had nineteen children. But they seem happy enough...

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:18:44am

re: #46 Mad Al-Jaffee

Hebrew for Smurf?

Prophet.

tradewind Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:19:07am

re: #51 Alouette
Everything '70's is back, or coming back. I think the '80's were the ugliest, for sure. ' The decade that fashion forgot'Image: cyndi.jpg

jaunte Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:19:18am

re: #62 MandyManners

I wonder if this could be a wake-up call to QUIT HAVING BABIES.

Maybe they're hoarders.
[Link: www.aetv.com...]

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:19:32am

re: #51 Alouette

The 1970's was the worst fashion decade ever, in the entire history of civilization.

I don't know. Have you seen what fashionable young men were wearing in the late 1400s?

MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:20:09am

re: #67 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ah, here we go:

6 Popular Fashion Trends (That Killed People)

Only one could kill men.

tradewind Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:20:09am

re: #57 Petero1818
'For Some Reason'= his choice, I would imagine. Somehow, I can't see anyone bumping him back into coach.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:20:12am

re: #57 Petero1818

No he was not hurt. But he was in Economy class for some reason. Tha tmust have been painful for him.

How tall is he?

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:20:46am

re: #58 MandyManners

Bayh did it?

He's out like a light. And gave one of the weirdest answers I have ever seen when asked what he'd be doing next.

reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:21:01am

re: #61 badger1970

What's wrong with these duds?

1977 JC Penny Catalog

OMG, that is too funny!

When my mother-in-law died a few years ago, as we were going through her closet, we realized she kept EVERY piece of clothing she ever bought.

We found a white jumpsuit, with various colored rhinestone sparkles in the shoulder area.

Can I tell you we didn't stop laughing for days over that jumpsuit!

And the best news - we managed to save it! My daughter is now the proud owner of the jumpsuit, ready to make her Elvis impersonator debut!

jamesfirecat Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:21:03am

re: #69 keloyd

The most important message here is that the private sector is a better judge of where to put r&d resources than Big Brother and his Ministries of Truth, Love, and Abundance.

Europe has lots of politically motivated left wing quack science on subjects like genetically modified foods. We have the occasional religious outlier wiht the stem cells=abortion hangups (imho). The difference between the US and most of Europe is government-induced quackery is much more influential, to their detriment.

Academic freedom (including the tenure tradition that allows for the occasional freeloading nut as well as a way to pay people with something other than money) and interest of the well-run corporation in shareholder value are exceedingly good things.

I'll give NASA a pass though, socialized space exploration is ok with me.

Don't you realize that socialized space exploration will lead to ....

COMMIES IN SPACE!

No wait sorry it was the

COMMIES IN SPACE!!!!!

That got us started on NASA in the first place.... (I know Sputnik wasn't manned but I feel the joke still stands)

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:21:30am

re: #62 MandyManners

I wonder if this could be a wake-up call to QUIT HAVING BABIES.

They say they're planning more, im yirtzeh Hashem.

MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:22:41am

re: #70 jamesfirecat

Wait someone is actually has ninteen kids? I'm sure Octomom and her 14 (if memory serves she had a sextuplet pregnancy beforehand) are just heart broken over the news...

You've never watched the Duggars on TLC?

tradewind Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:22:49am

re: #76 jaunte
You would think, but that family is actually one people should just leave alone.... their children are cute and well cared for, and they are not on any sort of welfare... the Daddy has a good business.
And their house is very nice ... I watched a special when that teensy one was born, and I was amazed. Just the opposite of how I pictured them.

MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:23:08am

re: #72 Rightwingconspirator

Like this maybe?
[Link: www.politico.com...]
Boozman hires Sarah Huckabee for Senate run

I didn't see Boozman. I saw Coleman.

MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:23:29am

re: #73 SanFranciscoZionist

I would run away from home if I had nineteen children. But they seem happy enough...

It seems to be a really happy household.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:23:38am

re: #70 jamesfirecat

Wait someone is actually has ninteen kids? I'm sure Octomom and her 14 (if memory serves she had a sextuplet pregnancy beforehand) are just heart broken over the news...

I'm sure plenty of people have nineteen children, although having them all with one mother is probably much more rare. The Duggars also have a reality show. And deplorable taste in baby names, IMHO, although they haven't asked me.

MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:24:00am

re: #76 jaunte

Maybe they're hoarders.
[Link: www.aetv.com...]

Trust me. Hoarding would drive them out of the house.

Vicious Michigan Union Thug Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:24:20am

re: #53 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

JEWS...IN...SPACE!!!

Youtube Video

MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:24:24am

re: #81 SanFranciscoZionist

He's out like a light. And gave one of the weirdest answers I have ever seen when asked what he'd be doing next.

I missed it. What did he say?

tradewind Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:25:04am

re: #88 MandyManners
It's the antithesis of octomom/Jon and Kate.
Granted, the fundy part of it is a little too much for most people's( read my) tastes, but really, they seem amazingly normal and well adjusted, and un-self-absorbed.

MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:25:19am

re: #84 SanFranciscoZionist

They say they're planning more, im yirtzeh Hashem.

I'll refrain from making a crack about her well, I just will stop here.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:25:30am

re: #78 MandyManners

Only one could kill men.

Funny, that.

I've read that when the New Look arrived in NY, women protested with signs that said "Burn in Hell, Mr. Dior".

Petero1818 Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:25:31am

re: #79 tradewind

Maybe yes, maybe no. He was flying out of Vancouver during the Olympics. Seats may be hard to come by right now and he may have taken whatever he could get. Either way, as a tall guy who flies Air Canada a lot, I can say with some experience,he was likely in pain long before this guy hit him.

Kragar Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:25:39am

re: #78 MandyManners

Only one could kill men.

2. The lead based makeups were used by men and women.

Stanghazi Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:26:04am

re: #89 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm sure plenty of people have nineteen children, although having them all with one mother is probably much more rare. The Duggars also have a reality show. And deplorable taste in baby names, IMHO, although they haven't asked me.

All I ever notice is the built in baby sitter experience.

tradewind Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:26:32am

re: #96 Petero1818
Maybe he lucked up and was seated on an older model B-737. Those flufs have lots of legroom.

100

Vicious Michigan Union Thug Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:26:37am

re: #84 SanFranciscoZionist

They say they're planning more, im yirtzeh Hashem.

I quit having babies, but now my babies are having babies. :)

101

MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:26:39am

re: #93 tradewind

It's the antithesis of octomom/Jon and Kate.
Granted, the fundy part of it is a little too much for most people's( read my) tastes, but really, they seem amazingly normal and well adjusted, and un-self-absorbed.

And now the grandbabies are coming in!

102

jamesfirecat Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:26:58am

re: #85 MandyManners

You've never watched the Duggars on TLC?

No I haven't and I don't think I want to start....

103

MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:26:59am

re: #95 SanFranciscoZionist

Funny, that.

I've read that when the New Look arrived in NY, women protested with signs that said "Burn in Hell, Mr. Dior".

WTF? Why?

104

MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:27:18am

re: #97 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

2. The lead based makeups were used by men and women.

Oops. I didn't think of that one.

105

Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:27:50am

re: #74 SanFranciscoZionist

Prophet.

So, Papa Smurf then? :)

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:27:50am

re: #102 jamesfirecat

No I haven't and I don't think I want to start...

It's amazing.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:28:06am

re: #86 tradewind

You would think, but that family is actually one people should just leave alone... their children are cute and well cared for, and they are not on any sort of welfare... the Daddy has a good business.
And their house is very nice ... I watched a special when that teensy one was born, and I was amazed. Just the opposite of how I pictured them.

They also have a reality show, which to my mind, sort of invited the public in to comment. They seem nice enough, but I prefer to appreciate them at a distance...

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tradewind Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:28:11am

re: #89 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm sure plenty of ~~people~~ baby daddys have nineteen children

FTFY

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tradewind Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:28:51am

re: #101 MandyManners
Ouch.
Whatdayawanna bet they don't get quite so carried away.....

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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:29:31am

re: #82 reine.de.tout

My parents have some amazingly embarrassing photos of me any brother frmo the 70s. And it's all because of the way they dressed us.

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Kragar Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:29:34am

re: #104 MandyManners

Oops. I didn't think of that one.

And then we have the indirect deaths caused by flying hoop skirt and flaming headpieces throughout the ages.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:29:48am

re: #92 MandyManners

I missed it. What did he say?

I'm honestly not sure. He said something about playing up to the bell, because he's a Hoosier, and then he rambled about how if he could help one child, by teaching in a school or institute of higher learning...or if he could help one family by doing something in policy...or if he could....

It was very vague, and sort of overpoetic.

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tradewind Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:29:55am

re: #107 SanFranciscoZionist
Can't begrudge them that television money.... as long as they aren't on my dime, they have to buy shoes.
Actually, I found it kind of fascinating to watch. And not in a train-wreck way... except for this last one.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:31:09am

re: #94 MandyManners

I'll refrain from making a crack about her well, I just will stop here.

Amazingly fertile woman. And she and the husband appear to be a really strong genetic match. That said, the Royal Governor of Massachusetts during the Salem Witch trials was the youngest of his mother's 21, and that was without modern medicine.

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lawhawk Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:31:50am

re: #99 tradewind

Nope.... it was an Embrarer 190:

Mr. Romney, 62, and his wife, Ann, were sitting in Row 15 of the economy section of the Embrarer 190 airplane, waiting for the plane to take off when the incident happened.

Here's the seatguru on those seats 33 inch pitch and 19 inches wide. Good if you're tall; not so much if you're overweight.

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tradewind Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:32:20am

re: #106 MandyManners
I love watching them make meals. It's like a major assembly line, and the children are not at all grumpy about it.
(I would like to readjust of some of the girls' hairdos, though. Meeeowww.)

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:32:28am

re: #109 tradewind

Ouch.
Whatdayawanna bet they don't get quite so carried away...

Well, they are of the same religion and seem to have the same philosophy regarding kids.

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Olsonist Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:32:30am

re: #80 SanFranciscoZionist

How tall is he?

I'm 6'4" and this happened to me. My knees touch the seat in front of me and the guy launches out of his seat and gets in my face. No, the flight attendants did not intervene. My best guess is that frequent flyers get pissed off frequently.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:33:01am

re: #103 MandyManners

WTF? Why?

Those tight, tight waists, I think.

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:33:24am

re: #111 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And then we have the indirect deaths caused by flying hoop skirt and flaming headpieces throughout the ages.

Men didn't get swept off piers by those things and, if they got caught up in one, they weren't wearing it when they went into the drink. And, it wasn't their heads on fire.

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:34:00am

re: #112 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm honestly not sure. He said something about playing up to the bell, because he's a Hoosier, and then he rambled about how if he could help one child, by teaching in a school or institute of higher learning...or if he could help one family by doing something in policy...or if he could...

It was very vague, and sort of overpoetic.

No teleprompter?

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:34:33am

re: #114 SanFranciscoZionist

Amazingly fertile woman. And she and the husband appear to be a really strong genetic match. That said, the Royal Governor of Massachusetts during the Salem Witch trials was the youngest of his mother's 21, and that was without modern medicine.

I wonder if all lived.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:34:55am

re: #111 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And then we have the indirect deaths caused by flying hoop skirt and flaming headpieces throughout the ages.

On the other hand, those huge eighteenth-century skirts may have saved some lives--if you husband came home unexpectedly, you could drop them completely over your lover, shielding him from view.

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:34:57am

re: #116 tradewind

I love watching them make meals. It's like a major assembly line, and the children are not at all grumpy about it.
(I would like to readjust of some of the girls' hairdos, though. Meeeowww.)

Their religion mandates it.

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Spare O'Lake Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:35:05am

As much as I find Coleman an insensitive creep, I must say that I also resent the interviewer's own willingness to stoop to Coleman's own level by similarly abusing Holocaust survivors to score a cheap political point.

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:35:24am

re: #119 SanFranciscoZionist

Those tight, tight waists, I think.

Guess they didn't want to return to the corset.

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tradewind Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:35:28am

re: #115 lawhawk
Those RJ's are iffy. Some of the newer ones are much better than the big jets seat- room - wise, but others ... the smaller ones, not so much.
On the regionals, coach vs first is not such an issue. The press may have said AC, but it was one of its smaller subsidiaries, operating as AC.

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Kragar Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:35:55am

re: #120 MandyManners

Men didn't get swept off piers by those things and, if they got caught up in one, they weren't wearing it when they went into the drink. And, it wasn't their heads on fire.

I was thinking of the 2000+ dead because the doors of the church were blocked with hoop skirts.

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:36:22am

re: #128 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I was thinking of the 2000+ dead because the doors of the church were blocked with hoop skirts.

Why not just cut her out of the damn thing?

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:36:27am

re: #122 MandyManners

I wonder if all lived.

I doubt it, but don't know.

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torrentprime Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:36:42am

re: #121 MandyManners

No teleprompter?

No; it's amazing the scribbles you can fit on the palm of your hand these days.

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tradewind Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:37:25am

re: #124 MandyManners
The meals, or the bad perms?//
I'm okay with the length, it's just....
ahh, nevermind.
The country would be no worse for wear with a few more families like them, IMO. But they are definitely an exception.
I really hope the Mom doesn't kill herself with another pregnancy.

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cliffster Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:38:26am

Wow, this guy is a real heavy hitter. Better keep our eyes on him...

[Link: coleman.advantagepolitics.com...]

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Kragar Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:38:28am

re: #129 MandyManners

Why not just cut her out of the damn thing?

Some probably tried, but cutting threw a steel cage in the middle of a fire and stampede might have presented its own problems.

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RogueOne Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:38:43am

King Tut Was Disabled, Malarial, and Inbred, DNA Shows

"Frail boy" needed cane, says study, which also found oldest genetic proof of malaria.

King Tut may be seen as the golden boy of ancient Egypt today, but during his reign, Tutankhamun wasn't exactly a strapping sun god.

Instead, a new DNA study says, King Tut was a frail pharaoh, beset by malaria and a bone disorder—and possibly compromised by his newly discovered incestuous origins.

[Link: news.nationalgeographic.com...]

His daddy was his uncle which I think means King Tut's family was from kentucky. I found that surprising.

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:39:57am

re: #130 SanFranciscoZionist

I doubt it, but don't know.

I thought high death rates back then was a reason to have a lot of kids.

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:40:34am

re: #132 tradewind

The meals, or the bad perms?//
I'm okay with the length, it's just...
ahh, nevermind.
The country would be no worse for wear with a few more families like them, IMO. But they are definitely an exception.
I really hope the Mom doesn't kill herself with another pregnancy.

That's what I'm hoping.

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:41:52am

re: #134 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Some probably tried, but cutting threw a steel cage in the middle of a fire and stampede might have presented its own problems.

Fashion.

Youtube Video

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cliffster Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:42:21am

re: #136 MandyManners

I thought high death rates back then was a reason to have a lot of kids.

I've thrown that out to my wife. We have two kids which is fine, but another 2 or 3 just in case couldn't hurt. I have no idea why she married me.

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wrenchwench Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:42:35am

re: #136 MandyManners

I thought high death rates back then was a reason to have a lot of kids.

I think that's mostly a modern rationalization for something they didn't have a lot of control over.

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:42:56am

Here's one nice export from Arkansas.

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Jadespring Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:43:04am

re: #136 MandyManners

I thought high death rates back then was a reason to have a lot of kids.

Yes. An heir and few spares.

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Obdicut Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:43:20am

re: #140 wrenchwench

You mean people in the past actually enjoyed having sex?!

This is an outrage!

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tradewind Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:43:23am

re: #131 torrentprime
Funny that this was such a non-event when Democratic Sen. Feinstein did it first...
[Link: www.independent.com...]

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:43:23am

re: #139 cliffster

I've thrown that out to my wife. We have two kids which is fine, but another 2 or 3 just in case couldn't hurt. I have no idea why she married me.

Watch out for the cast iron skillet!

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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:43:30am

re: #129 MandyManners

Why not just cut her out of the damn thing?

Is that what the kids are calling it these days?

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:43:54am

re: #140 wrenchwench

I think that's mostly a modern rationalization for something they didn't have a lot of control over.

I hadn't thought of that angle.

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:44:08am

re: #142 Jadespring

Yes. An heir and few spares.

Brood mares.

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Kragar Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:44:12am

re: #143 Obdicut

You mean people in the past actually enjoyed having sex?!

This is an outrage!

Early foreplay: "BRACE YOURSELF!"

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wrenchwench Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:44:42am

re: #143 Obdicut

You mean people in the past actually enjoyed having sex?!

This is an outrage!

Well, if they didn't enjoy it, they apparently did it anyway. I hope someone was having fun.

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torrentprime Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:46:01am

re: #144 tradewind

Funny that this was such a non-event when Democratic Sen. Feinstein did it first...
[Link: www.independent.com...]

Her bizarre reaction only fed the story for several days; an L.A. TV station showed blown-up pictures of her scrawled hand, and the Wilson campaign paid for a computer-enhanced picture that they circulated to the press corps.
Sounds like a non-event to me!

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jamesfirecat Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:46:03am

(Talking to Interviewer)

Damn it, why did you not point out during the interview CLEARLY TO EVERYONE that these cells are either going die because they're no longer needed for no purpose at all, or be used in Stem Cell Research.

Unless he wants to start a policy of trying to find a woman with a willing womb for every single unwanted embryo he's not saving any lives!

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Jadespring Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:46:18am

re: #144 tradewind

Funny that this was such a non-event when Democratic Sen. Feinstein did it first...
[Link: www.independent.com...]

Well it might have been if feinstein and her supporters were so 'uber opponent teleprompter use bad bad bad' and consistently used it as a political talking point.

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tradewind Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:46:44am

re: #147 MandyManners
My dad is one of fourteen children.... but then again, he grew up on a farm, and they were needed. Seven boys and seven girls.
Go figure, that seven of the fourteen, although they all married, had no children at all. Zip /zero.

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Kragar Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:47:28am

re: #150 wrenchwench

Well, if they didn't enjoy it, they apparently did it anyway. I hope someone was having fun.

Lucius Vorenus: Do you think of *nothing* but women?
Titus Pullo: What else is there?... Food, I s'pose.

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darthstar Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:47:42am

When you feel like there's just not enough stupid on the planet, close your eyes and count to three...ladies and gentlemen, I give you Candidate Coleman.

btw, it's nice to be back in California.

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cliffster Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:47:56am

re: #152 jamesfirecat

(Talking to Interviewer)

Damn it, why did you not point out during the interview CLEARLY TO EVERYONE that these cells are either going die because they're no longer needed for no purpose at all, or be used in Stem Cell Research.

Unless he wants to start a policy of trying to find a woman with a willing womb for every single unwanted embryo he's not saving any lives!

Every haploid is sacred

Youtube Video

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Killgore Trout Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:47:59am

Israelis reach out and touch Hamas terrorist, whining ensues....
British investigate ID theft by 'Mossad' hit squad in Dubai

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Obdicut Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:48:38am

re: #158 Killgore Trout

And yet the LaRouche-ites are convinced that Britain is controlled by Zionists.

Mo-rons.

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tradewind Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:48:42am

re: #153 Jadespring
The MSM clearly wanted to say that writing notes on hand=airhead.
Just saying that if that's what they thought of Palin, they should have remembered Feinstein.
It didn't seem newsworthy in either case .

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jamesfirecat Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:48:45am

re: #144 tradewind

Funny that this was such a non-event when Democratic Sen. Feinstein did it first...
[Link: www.independent.com...]

My contention is and will be that the fact that Sarah had those notes scribbled on her hand, meant that she knew what the Q&A was going to be ahead of time.

And that in turn says a lot when she doesn't even feel up to answering her supporters own spontaneous questions!

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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:49:15am

re: #71 Stanley Sea

OMG - we HAD the barrel furniture in our basement!

I had "harvest gold" appliances in my kitchen.

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torrentprime Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:50:48am

re: #154 tradewind

My dad is one of fourteen children... but then again, he grew up on a farm, and they were needed. Seven boys and seven girls.
Go figure, that seven of the fourteen, although they all married, had no children at all. Zip /zero.

I have an ex- who was the youngest of twelve. I do believe in that family's case it took two women to bring all those bundles of joy into the world, though.

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jamesfirecat Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:50:53am

re: #157 cliffster

Every haploid is sacred

[Video]

Not saying it isn't. I'm just saying that if he feels that way he needs to promise that he'd start up a government program to save those embryos which would normally be discarded by finding mothers who are willing to bring them to term, and hopefully look after them as well.

Otherwise he's just standing in the way of scientific progress while letting those embryos die meaningless deaths once they're no longer needed by the woman who originally had them stored....

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tradewind Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:51:39am

re: #161 jamesfirecat
Clearly you have a lot to learn about women, JF.//
Sometimes talking points are just talking points, and you want a way to remember them. Women have always done it, whether they're in line at a grocery, or addressing a PTA.

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Kragar Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:52:32am

Look upon this and despair!

80's Fashion

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tradewind Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:52:37am

re: #163 torrentprime
Just one in my Dad's case.
But she did die a full decade earlier than her husband, which is not usually the way it goes.

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freetoken Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:52:42am

One of the AGW-science-deniers' latest favorite mainstream media outlets has been the Times of London and their reporter, Jonathan Leake (who of late has been writing about AGW and in particular the IPCC in a vein I describe as akin to TEACH THE CONTROVERSY.)

Leake though as been doing sloppy journalism in other fields as well:

Leakegate: Leake verballed Richard Dawkins

It appears Leake likes to play a bit fast and loose with what his sources tell him. Hmmm...

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torrentprime Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:52:50am

re: #160 tradewind

The MSM clearly wanted to say that writing notes on hand=airhead.
Just saying that if that's what they thought of Palin, they should have remembered Feinstein.
It didn't seem newsworthy in either case .

And which part (aside from the mindreading about what the 'MSM' "wanted") of the event not being newsworthy did you think was covered in
"Her bizarre reaction only fed the story for several days; an L.A. TV station showed blown-up pictures of her scrawled hand, and the Wilson campaign paid for a computer-enhanced picture that they circulated to the press corps. "
Was that LA TV station not a part of the 'MSM'? Did they secede?

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cliffster Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:53:17am

re: #164 jamesfirecat

Not saying it isn't. I'm just saying that if he feels that way he needs to promise that he'd start up a government program to save those embryos which would normally be discarded by finding mothers who are willing to bring them to term, and hopefully look after them as well.

Otherwise he's just standing in the way of scientific progress while letting those embryos die meaningless deaths once they're no longer needed by the woman who originally had them stored...

That's gotta be the most serious response to Monty Python I've ever seen.

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Political Atheist Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:53:23am

re: #144 tradewind

Great catch!

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:54:03am

re: #154 tradewind

My dad is one of fourteen children... but then again, he grew up on a farm, and they were needed. Seven boys and seven girls.
Go figure, that seven of the fourteen, although they all married, had no children at all. Zip /zero.

I guess they'd had enough of togetherness.

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Political Atheist Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:54:47am

re: #161 jamesfirecat

How about this
Neither Feinstein nor Palin ever runs again....
Okay just wishful thinking.

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:54:48am

re: #158 Killgore Trout

Israelis reach out and touch Hamas terrorist, whining ensues...
British investigate ID theft by 'Mossad' hit squad in Dubai

And now the Irish are denying the Irish passports.

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jamesfirecat Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:55:14am

re: #170 cliffster

That's gotta be the most serious response to Monty Python I've ever seen.

You haven't seen my analysis of the atheistic themes inherent in Life of Brian.

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freetoken Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:56:07am

re: #172 MandyManners

It's the way the 20th century went.

My paternal grandparents had very many children (over a dozen I believe), but the next generation reproduced at around 2 children/person.

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jamesfirecat Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:56:14am

re: #173 Rightwingconspirator

How about this
Neither Feinstein nor Palin ever runs again...
Okay just wishful thinking.

Sounds reasonable to me.

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tradewind Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:56:15am

re: #158 Killgore Trout
Their time might be better spent tightening security around their bus terminals and subway stations.
Just saying.

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torrentprime Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:57:52am

re: #173 Rightwingconspirator

How about this
Neither Feinstein nor Palin ever runs again...
Okay just wishful thinking.

I'll sign that deal.

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:58:04am

re: #176 freetoken

It's the way the 20th century went.

My paternal grandparents had very many children (over a dozen I believe), but the next generation reproduced at around 2 children/person.

Let's hear it for the Pill!

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idioma Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:58:10am

People that don't understand science shouldn't be allowed to make decisions about science.

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tradewind Tue, Feb 16, 2010 11:59:04am

re: #169 torrentprime
That was then.
Feinstein was never going to be mentioned now but for the evil dredgers at Fox. Doesn't matter what they wrote ten years ago.

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ಠ_ಠ Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:00:00pm

I'm not sure if Godwin's Law was intended to extend outside the internet, but I'm pretty sure that even offline invocation is still auto-lose for whatever argument you were trying to make.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:00:37pm

re: #136 MandyManners

I thought high death rates back then was a reason to have a lot of kids.

Part of it. Depended who you were, where and when you lived.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:01:56pm

re: #140 wrenchwench

I think that's mostly a modern rationalization for something they didn't have a lot of control over.

Birth control was practiced quite a lot more in the premodern world than we imagine, though. As one of my professors put it, 'a successful Renaissance birth control program meant five kids rather than ten. You can feed and educate five.'

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tradewind Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:02:20pm

OMG.... there is a hiker stuck INSIDE the crater of Mt. St. Helen's.
If you do it, he really needs lots of prayers.

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:02:27pm

re: #181 idioma

People that don't understand science shouldn't be allowed to make decisions about science.

Considering that he cofounded a biotech firm, I wouldn't think he's utterly ignorant.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:02:34pm

re: #143 Obdicut

You mean people in the past actually enjoyed having sex?!

This is an outrage!

I'm sure the women didn't. The female orgasm was invented in 1964 by Helen Gurley Brown.

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Obdicut Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:02:56pm

re: #185 SanFranciscoZionist

The Romans had an abortifacient so effective it was harvested to extinction.

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Jadespring Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:03:01pm

re: #160 tradewind

The MSM clearly wanted to say that writing notes on hand=airhead.
Just saying that if that's what they thought of Palin, they should have remembered Feinstein.
It didn't seem newsworthy in either case .

Obama using a teleprompter talking point= airhead
Palin dissing the teleprompter just minutes before using her palm = +irony +airhead with a dash, +.5 humor. The addition of +irony +.5 humor to the equation makes people notice more, media notices more ergo more chance at a story.

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:03:32pm

re: #184 SanFranciscoZionist

Part of it. Depended who you were, where and when you lived.

I'm glad I am who I am, where I live and that I'm living now.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:03:54pm

re: #155 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Lucius Vorenus: Do you think of *nothing* but women?
Titus Pullo: What else is there?... Food, I s'pose.

Those two...what a pair.

I can't believe that Vorenus turned down Cleopatra. Actually I can--I just can't believe the writers put him in the situation to begin with.

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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:03:56pm

re: #188 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm sure the women didn't. The female orgasm was invented in 1964 by Helen Gurley Brown.

//

She should have taught it to my ex girlfriend. Wait, what?
/

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tradewind Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:04:03pm

re: #156 darthstar
Fortunately, the Republicans in Arkansas most likely will not.

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:04:08pm

re: #186 tradewind

OMG... there is a hiker stuck INSIDE the crater of Mt. St. Helen's.
If you do it, he really needs lots of prayers.

And, a clue-by-four upside his head. Who hikes that in the winter?

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tradewind Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:04:44pm

re: #188 SanFranciscoZionist
You would think.//

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torrentprime Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:04:49pm

re: #182 tradewind

That was then.
Feinstein was never going to be mentioned now but for the evil dredgers at Fox. Doesn't matter what they wrote ten years ago.

Of course it doesn't matter. Because that would break the narrative that the ~~mainstream~~ MIDW (mediaIDisagreeWith) is out to get conservatives.

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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:04:52pm

re: #166 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Look upon this and despair!

80's Fashion

Tube tops and mini skirts were also an invention of the 80s.

Nope, minis were created in the '60's and tube tops (gah) were a product of the '70's.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:05:23pm

re: #163 torrentprime

I have an ex- who was the youngest of twelve. I do believe in that family's case it took two women to bring all those bundles of joy into the world, though.

My great grandparents had six. Five girls, and then my great-uncle who still refers to his sisters with some dread as "The Girls".

By the time they had the boy, the oldest girl was starting her own family, so they called it a day.

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tradewind Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:05:29pm

re: #195 MandyManners
I have no clue. Supposedly this is the sixty-eighth time he has done this.
I guess the odds just ran out.

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cliffster Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:06:54pm

re: #199 SanFranciscoZionist

My great grandparents had six. Five girls, and then my great-uncle who still refers to his sisters with some dread as "The Girls".

By the time they had the boy, the oldest girl was starting her own family, so they called it a day.

My oldest sister is two years older than my mom's youngest sister. Hi there, little auntie. Heh

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torrentprime Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:06:55pm

re: #187 MandyManners

Considering that he cofounded a biotech firm, I wouldn't think he's utterly ignorant.

I tend to agree with the razor ("Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."). In this case, if it's not ignorance...

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:06:56pm

re: #180 MandyManners

Let's hear it for the Pill!

Hardly needed. The tragic fall-off in fertility of the last few generations of devout Irish Catholics leads me to believe that there must be something in the water.

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Kragar Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:07:17pm

re: #192 SanFranciscoZionist

Those two...what a pair.

I can't believe that Vorenus turned down Cleopatra. Actually I can--I just can't believe the writers put him in the situation to begin with.

BEST SCENE EVER!

Titus Pullo: Gods, that was something...
Lucius Vorenus: Don't want to know! If you value your life, you won't speak of it again.
Titus Pullo: Why? I was only obeying orders. Bloody good orders, too.

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lawhawk Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:07:39pm

re: #195 MandyManners

He had hiked Mt. St. Helens before - 67 times in fact. It's definitely not recommended in bad weather because of changeable conditions and avalanche hazards. They couldn't rescue him yesterday, but are trying again today.

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:07:43pm

re: #198 Alouette

Nope, minis were created in the '60's and tube tops (gah) were a product of the '70's.

Remember Mary Quandt?

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:07:53pm

re: #186 tradewind

OMG... there is a hiker stuck INSIDE the crater of Mt. St. Helen's.
If you do it, he really needs lots of prayers.

I saw that this morning. Apparently they sent a helicopter over, and saw him, but wind drove them off the mountain again.

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:08:13pm

re: #200 tradewind

I have no clue. Supposedly this is the sixty-eighth time he has done this.
I guess the odds just ran out.

Sometimes the bear bites you.

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:08:37pm

re: #202 torrentprime

I tend to agree with the razor ("Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."). In this case, if it's not ignorance...

He's morally opposed to it.

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jamesfirecat Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:08:57pm

re: #190 Jadespring

Obama using a teleprompter talking point= airhead
Palin dissing the teleprompter just minutes before using her palm = +irony +airhead with a dash, +.5 humor. The addition of +irony +.5 humor to the equation makes people notice more, media notices more ergo more chance at a story.

You forgot the part about how Sarah Palin's 45 min long speech was all written out pieces of paper in front of her, so her mocking Obama for using a teleprompter is reduced to being a dig at him for daring to be tech savy....

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cliffster Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:08:57pm

re: #205 lawhawk

He had hiked Mt. St. Helens before - 67 times in fact. It's definitely not recommended in bad weather because of changeable conditions and avalanche hazards. They couldn't rescue him yesterday, but are trying again today.

No problem. A good book, couple cans of sterno, sit back and enjoy the weather.

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:08:59pm

re: #203 SanFranciscoZionist

Hardly needed. The tragic fall-off in fertility of the last few generations of devout Irish Catholics leads me to believe that there must be something in the water.

/

A dissolved pill.

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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:09:01pm

My bandleader grew up on a farm in North Carolina with ten siblings. They all worked the farm growing up. Good place and way to learn about the blues.

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:09:28pm

re: #205 lawhawk

He had hiked Mt. St. Helens before - 67 times in fact. It's definitely not recommended in bad weather because of changeable conditions and avalanche hazards. They couldn't rescue him yesterday, but are trying again today.

Maybe they should tell him not to do it again.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:09:33pm

re: #189 Obdicut

The Romans had an abortifacient so effective it was harvested to extinction.

People are ingenious sorts.

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lawhawk Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:10:34pm

re: #211 cliffster

Weather on the mountain appears to be better. Oh, and that cloud in the middle is steam and gas coming from the volcano itself, which is still puttering about and building a lava dome below the rim.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:11:10pm

re: #196 tradewind

You would think.//

Interestingly, the assumption made for most of the Middle Ages and much of the Renaissance was that women were much more interested in sex than men.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:11:52pm

re: #198 Alouette

Nope, minis were created in the '60's and tube tops (gah) were a product of the '70's.

Making them both neon, and pairing them with leg warmers and a spiral perm, though--THAT was the 80s.

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cliffster Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:12:03pm

re: #216 lawhawk

... Oh, and that cloud in the middle is steam and gas coming from the volcano itself, which is still puttering about and building a lava dome below the rim.

That wouldn't be in the least bit unnerving.

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:12:37pm

re: #219 cliffster

That wouldn't be in the least bit unnerving.

I'd rather live in a trailer in Kansas in June.

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tradewind Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:13:40pm

re: #217 SanFranciscoZionist
So they were smarter than we knew....

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:14:05pm

re: #209 MandyManners

He's morally opposed to it.

But not to the creation of embryos that are discarded? That's the part I don't get.

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torrentprime Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:14:29pm

re: #209 MandyManners

He's morally opposed to it.

He's morally opposed to embryos being used to save a life but perfectly ok with embryos being thrown away? I see.

Maybe we should give ignorance another look as a motivating cause.

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:14:39pm

re: #222 SanFranciscoZionist

But not to the creation of embryos that are discarded? That's the part I don't get.

I don't get it, either.

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tradewind Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:15:08pm

re: #212 MandyManners
Or a few extra jiggers of Irish whiskey. ' Whets the appetite, but takes away from the performance'.
[sic].

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:15:17pm

re: #223 torrentprime

He's morally opposed to embryos being used to save a life but perfectly ok with embryos being thrown away? I see.

Maybe we should give ignorance another look as a motivating cause.

Maybe he looks at using the embryos as playing God.

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cliffster Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:15:17pm

re: #217 SanFranciscoZionist

Interestingly, the assumption made for most of the Middle Ages and much of the Renaissance was that women were much more interested in sex than men.

Yes they did love to blame men's missteps on those irrepressible sex-crazed women. Damn, where are those women today?

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:15:53pm

re: #225 tradewind

Or a few extra jiggers of Irish whiskey. ' Whets the appetite, but takes away from the performance'.
[sic].

A little blue pill!

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:16:07pm

re: #226 MandyManners

Maybe he looks at using the embryos as playing God.

Could be, although IVF has a bit of that as well, I'd say.

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torrentprime Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:16:45pm

re: #226 MandyManners

Maybe he looks at using the embryos as playing God.

Maybe. Maybe he's inconsistent and reduced to scare-mongering among social conservatives.

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Kragar Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:17:03pm

re: #227 cliffster

Yes they did love to blame men's missteps on those irrepressible sex-crazed women. Damn, where are those women today?

in bed.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:17:47pm

re: #227 cliffster

Yes they did love to blame men's missteps on those irrepressible sex-crazed women. Damn, where are those women today?

One detail that late medieval confessional positively harp on is the idea that women are secretly sneaking aphrodisiacs--often menstrual blood--into men's food, to wear their resistance down.

One wonders how many women would never have thought of this, except that the priest kept checking to make sure they weren't doing it.

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jamesfirecat Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:17:53pm

re: #229 SanFranciscoZionist

Could be, although IVF has a bit of that as well, I'd say.

Not to mention listening to this interview it seems to mainly be that he's trying to phrase it these embryos are living human beings and its wrong to take their lives.

That's a reasonable stance you can take on abortion.

Saying it about stem cells.... not so much unless you also promise to start finding those things wombs to grow up in....

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cliffster Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:18:24pm

re: #232 SanFranciscoZionist

I just threw up in my mouth

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:19:03pm

re: #234 cliffster

I just threw up in my mouth

Sorry. Are you more resigned to not having sex-crazed medieval women around?

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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:19:17pm

re: #206 MandyManners

Remember Mary Quandt?

It's spelled Quant.

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tradewind Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:19:38pm

BBL, for a bit.
Tomorrow starts Lent, and so after midnight central I won't be posting until Easter except on Sundays... so don't have any fun fights while I miss them.//

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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:20:15pm

re: #218 SanFranciscoZionist

Making them both neon, and pairing them with leg warmers and a spiral perm, though--THAT was the 80s.

Gah.

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:20:30pm

re: #229 SanFranciscoZionist

Could be, although IVF has a bit of that as well, I'd say.

And, some people oppose that, too. But, don't make the rest of us abide by those beliefs!

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:20:41pm

re: #230 torrentprime

Maybe. Maybe he's inconsistent and reduced to scare-mongering among social conservatives.

Could be.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:20:44pm

re: #237 tradewind

BBL, for a bit.
Tomorrow starts Lent, and so after midnight central I won't be posting until Easter except on Sundays... so don't have any fun fights while I miss them.//

You're giving up LGF for Lent? Tough woman.

Happy Mardi Gras, and a good Ash Wednesday.

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lawhawk Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:21:09pm

re: #216 lawhawk

The military is flying a helicopter in to assist in the rescue, and it appears that the hiker was posing for a picture when the cornice he was standing gave way.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:21:13pm

Gotta run. Locker room duty.

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Stanghazi Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:21:21pm

re: #223 torrentprime

He's morally opposed to embryos being used to save a life but perfectly ok with embryos being thrown away? I see.

Maybe we should give ignorance another look as a motivating cause.

I'm sure it's the money.

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:21:24pm

re: #236 Alouette

It's spelled Quant.

Where'd I get that "d"?

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Kragar Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:21:35pm

re: #235 SanFranciscoZionist

Sorry. Are you more resigned to not having sex-crazed medieval women around?

I'll give them a deal. They cut out the lacing of foodstuffs with their monthly visitor and I'll give them a jolly rogering several times a week.

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cliffster Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:21:40pm

re: #235 SanFranciscoZionist

Sorry. Are you more resigned to not having sex-crazed medieval women around?

Yes, fixed right up.

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:21:45pm

re: #237 tradewind

BBL, for a bit.
Tomorrow starts Lent, and so after midnight central I won't be posting until Easter except on Sundays... so don't have any fun fights while I miss them.//

You're giving up the Internet?

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Kragar Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:22:19pm

re: #245 MandyManners

Where'd I get that "d"?

Between the s and the f.

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tradewind Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:22:45pm

re: #241 SanFranciscoZionist
Thanks, and back at'cha.
Yes, I always do, and it's even worse if you read when you know you can't ever answer. But giving up vegetables, like I tried to pull when I was a kid, won't cut it anymore. I will check in on Sundays.
:)

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:23:21pm

re: #242 lawhawk

The military is flying a helicopter in to assist in the rescue, and it appears that the hiker was posing for a picture when the cornice he was standing gave way.

I wish they'd start charging these idiots for the rescue costs.

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tradewind Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:23:38pm

re: #248 MandyManners
Non-essential, like forums or web-surfing.
If I have to google, I have to, and I will still have to email. But basically, yeah. Harder than it sounds.

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:23:58pm

re: #249 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Between the s and the f.

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:24:21pm

re: #252 tradewind

Non-essential, like forums or web-surfing.
If I have to google, I have to, and I will still have to email. But basically, yeah. Harder than it sounds.

Couldn't you give up jelly donuts?

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torrentprime Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:24:39pm

re: #252 tradewind

Non-essential, like forums or web-surfing.
If I have to google, I have to, and I will still have to email. But basically, yeah. Harder than it sounds.

I believe it. Props to you for the effort.

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cliffster Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:25:15pm

re: #253 MandyManners

?

Look at your keyboard

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Jadespring Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:25:20pm

re: #248 MandyManners

You're giving up the Internet?

Last year for Lent I gave up reading and posting on forums.

This year I'm so out of the time like I didn't even realize Lent starts tomorrow.

Not sure what it will be this year. I just gave up smoking a few days ago, maybe I'll just run with that.

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Kragar Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:25:20pm

re: #253 MandyManners

?

Thats where you got your d. Look at your keyboard.

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tradewind Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:25:38pm

re: #254 MandyManners
Well, yeah, those. //
I will catch up on Sunday evenings, hopefully.

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Bagua Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:25:44pm

Embryonic stem cell research is the concept of taking a life and using it to conduct experiments so we can temporarily extend somebody else’s life. Let me tell you what I just described — I just described what the Nazis did to the Jews in the death camps of World War 2.

Histrionic analogy does nothing but weaken the argument in my book. Stem cells do not equal human beings and this statement shows a deep moral confusion by Mr Coleman.

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Jadespring Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:26:59pm

re: #252 tradewind

Non-essential, like forums or web-surfing.
If I have to google, I have to, and I will still have to email. But basically, yeah. Harder than it sounds.

Yeah when I did it last year it was hard. I got used to it though and even when Easter came I didn't get back into it all that much. I don't tend to do a lot of posting and reading in the growing season anyways. Too busy.

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Jack Burton Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:27:17pm

re: #260 Bagua

Histrionic analogy does nothing but weaken the argument in my book. Stem cells do not equal human beings and this statement shows a deep moral confusion by Mr Coleman.

That particular moral confusion seems to be as common as a Starbucks being in walking distance.

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:28:33pm

re: #256 cliffster

Look at your keyboard

Duh.

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:29:00pm

re: #257 Jadespring

Last year for Lent I gave up reading and posting on forums.

This year I'm so out of the time like I didn't even realize Lent starts tomorrow.

Not sure what it will be this year. I just gave up smoking a few days ago, maybe I'll just run with that.

Good luck!

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:29:17pm

re: #258 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Thats where you got your d. Look at your keyboard.

I rarely look at it.

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:29:30pm

re: #259 tradewind

Well, yeah, those. //
I will catch up on Sunday evenings, hopefully.

We'll miss you!

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:30:00pm

Speaking of jelly donuts,...

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lawhawk Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:30:04pm

re: #251 MandyManners

Perhaps they should require all climbers/backcountry trekkers to obtain insurance as they do over in Europe - this way, if there's a problem the SAR gets reimbursed. Sometimes, agencies do charge (or sue) to recover costs for reckless actions.

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jamesfirecat Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:32:29pm

re: #268 lawhawk

Perhaps they should require all climbers/backcountry trekkers to obtain insurance as they do over in Europe - this way, if there's a problem the SAR gets reimbursed. Sometimes, agencies do charge (or sue) to recover costs for reckless actions.

Interesting idea. (Non sarcastic)

After all as a Liberal I am always looking for new ways to funnel money out of people's pockets and into the governments hands! (Sarcastic)

;)

So far it looks like it was just a case of bad luck, but even if he was acting foolishly I hoe we manage to rescue him all the same.

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:34:13pm

re: #269 jamesfirecat

Interesting idea. (Non sarcastic)

After all as a Liberal I am always looking for new ways to funnel money out of people's pockets and into the governments hands! (Sarcastic)

;)

So far it looks like it was just a case of bad luck, but even if he was acting foolishly I hoe we manage to rescue him all the same.

I'd rather charge those who need the rescue than the taxpayers.

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Bagua Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:34:36pm

re: #262 ArchangelMichael

That particular moral confusion seems to be as common as a Starbucks being in walking distance.

Really? I find that Shocking.

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Guanxi88 Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:36:23pm

Ni hao, Lizards!

Just got my first hong bao (red envelope) today, and it had two very nice little portraits of President Grant in it.

Drinks are on me, boys - and ladies!

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webevintage Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:36:26pm

re: #198 Alouette

Nope, minis were created in the '60's and tube tops (gah) were a product of the '70's.

Actually you an see tube tops in the 40's as beach wear and sportswear....
Image: cs3.jpg
(From 1949, a black wool knit tube top is worn with a flocked cotton full skirt. The top came with removeable straps. )

Image: s7.jpg
(white cotton knit tube top)

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jamesfirecat Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:36:47pm

re: #270 MandyManners

I'd rather charge those who need the rescue than the taxpayers.

Well the people who are responsible are still "people" out of whose pockets money could in theory be funneled towards the government if for example military helicopter is used in the rescue.

Of course I suppose I should just follow the age old rule about not explaining the joke......

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Jack Burton Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:37:13pm

re: #271 Bagua

Really? I find that Shocking.

That opposition to stem cell research has always been because its viewed as morally equivalent to abortion?

I'd say 100% of people against stem cell research on some non-technical ground are of that opinion.

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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:37:16pm

re: #135 RogueOne

His daddy was his uncle which I think means King Tut's family was from kentucky. I found that surprising.

Hey now, I've been to southern Indiana.

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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:37:23pm

re: #262 ArchangelMichael

That particular moral confusion seems to be as common as a Starbucks being in walking distance.

That doesn't quite work. The moral confusion has spread in the past 15 months while the number of Starbucks has declined.

/I know I'm being too literal but I can't help it.

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Baier Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:37:26pm

re: #270 MandyManners

I'd rather charge those who need the rescue than the taxpayers.

What? And hold people personally responsible their choices?///

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:37:35pm

re: #273 webevintage

Actually you an see tube tops in the 40's as beach wear and sportswear...
[Link: 3.bp.blogspot.com...]
(From 1949, a black wool knit tube top is worn with a flocked cotton full skirt. The top came with removeable straps. )

[Link: 2.bp.blogspot.com...]
(white cotton knit tube top)

Near-nekkid hussies.

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Bagua Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:37:53pm

Can someone inform me:

What do current Jewish sages say about stem cell research? Is it considered permissible or not?

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MandyManners Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:38:19pm

Rabid Paulians ahead!

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Jack Burton Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:39:35pm

re: #281 MandyManners

Rabid Paulians ahead!

From the Department of Redundancy Department.

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Guanxi88 Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:40:05pm

re: #282 ArchangelMichael

From the Department of Redundancy Department.

Division of Reduplicative Redundancy

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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:40:31pm

re: #280 Bagua

Can someone inform me:

What do current Jewish sages say about stem cell research? Is it considered permissible or not?

It is completely permissible.

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webevintage Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:48:23pm

re: #42 SanFranciscoZionist

The music in the 50s was pretty good.

Fashion, less so.

GASP!
As a purveyor of mostly 40's and 50's vintage clothes I must take a stand and say that the 50's fashions were made of awesome.

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Bagua Tue, Feb 16, 2010 12:56:29pm

re: #284 Alouette

It is completely permissible.

Thanks. That makes Mr Coleman's statement even more out of order.

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ED 209 Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:18:27pm

re: #226 MandyManners

Maybe he looks at using the embryos as playing God.

Someone's gotta.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:48:38pm

re: #270 MandyManners

I'd rather charge those who need the rescue than the taxpayers.

Two of my students a couple of years ago got stranded hiking from home (El Sobrante, I think), to El Cerrito one fine morning.

They had to be picked up by helicopter.

Privately owned rescue chopper. The pilot told them as they were scrambling in that if they threw up, he would put them back down in the brush and fly away.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:51:29pm

re: #280 Bagua

Can someone inform me:

What do current Jewish sages say about stem cell research? Is it considered permissible or not?

If I understand this correctly, the OU-RCA's stance is that it is permissible to use embryos created for other purposes, such as IVF, that would otherwise be discarded, but not to create an embryo for that purpose.

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Cheese Eating Victory Monkey Tue, Feb 16, 2010 1:57:33pm

re: #280 Bagua

Here's an interesting article on the topic.

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jvic Tue, Feb 16, 2010 2:07:24pm

From Politico last year:

Under fire from congressional Republicans for lifting restrictions on stem cell research, President Barack Obama got a powerful endorsement for his move Monday from Nancy Reagan, the former president’s wife.
...
Nancy Reagan has been an outspoken advocate of stem cell research — and scientists hope that the research could someday lead to a cure for Alzheimer’s disease, which afflicted her late husband, Ronald Reagan.

But ~~Dominionists~~ Real Americans know that Reagan wasn't conservative enough.

In fact, around 2000/1 I saw such a statement attributed to the transition team of The Most Brilliant Man Harriet Miers Ever Met.

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