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If a kid asks where rain comes from, I think a cute thing to tell him is “God is crying.” And if he asks why God is crying, another cute thing to tell him is “Probably because of something you did.”

Jack Handey

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1 Bagua  Tue, Jun 29, 2010 11:20:12pm

Bad Luck and Trouble


- Lightnin’ Hopkins
2 shai_au  Tue, Jun 29, 2010 11:23:13pm

In reference to the OP… I don’t even want to know what snow could be.

3 boxhead  Tue, Jun 29, 2010 11:25:46pm

re: #1 Bagua

Bad Luck and Trouble

[Video]
- Lightnin’ Hopkins


very nice….

Here is 3 o’clock blues with BB King and Clapton….

4 Irenicum  Tue, Jun 29, 2010 11:35:57pm

How ‘bout dem Mets?

5 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jun 29, 2010 11:36:03pm

Jesus is crying because he saw you masturbating…

6 boxhead  Tue, Jun 29, 2010 11:38:57pm

re: #4 Irenicum

How ‘bout dem Mets?

Dodger fan here….. My good friend is a hard core Met fan. We console each other over beers.. LOL

7 boxhead  Tue, Jun 29, 2010 11:40:52pm

Here is n00b question. How many “points” does one have? And what does the higher rated posters achieve other than good karma?

8 teleskiguy  Tue, Jun 29, 2010 11:41:24pm

My favorite Deep Thought:

It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.

9 Irenicum  Tue, Jun 29, 2010 11:42:44pm

re: #7 boxhead

Every post you post is allowed to be “rated”. so you garner good or bad karma based on your posts.

10 freetoken  Tue, Jun 29, 2010 11:45:25pm

re: #7 boxhead

Here is n00b question. How many “points” does one have?

Click on your icon.

And what does the higher rated posters achieve other than good karma?


After a while you can trade them in online for gifts and goodies, mostly kitchen appliances but occasionally a date night with SpaceJesus comes up on the menu.

11 Irenicum  Tue, Jun 29, 2010 11:46:07pm

re: #10 freetoken

Oh, that would be special!

12 boxhead  Tue, Jun 29, 2010 11:47:42pm

re: #10 freetoken

After a while you can trade them in online for gifts and goodies, mostly kitchen appliances but occasionally a date night with SpaceJesus comes up on the menu.

heh…. Nice… I will wear my Sunday best!

13 ClaudeMonet  Tue, Jun 29, 2010 11:49:35pm

re: #12 boxhead

heh… Nice… I will wear my Sunday best!

Jesus is Jewish. Wear your Shabbos best.

14 Irenicum  Tue, Jun 29, 2010 11:54:55pm

G’nite kids. It’s been real and it’s been fun.

15 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Jun 29, 2010 11:55:12pm

re: #13 ClaudeMonet

Jesus is Jewish. Wear your Shabbos best.

I had *no* idea!

16 ClaudeMonet  Tue, Jun 29, 2010 11:55:45pm

re: #14 Irenicum

G’nite kids. It’s been real and it’s been fun.

G’nite. I hope you had a good day and will have a better tomorrow.

17 Irenicum  Tue, Jun 29, 2010 11:56:14pm

re: #16 ClaudeMonet

Thank you.

18 Bagua  Tue, Jun 29, 2010 11:59:35pm

BP spokesman on the Gulf Oil Leak


- Clarke & Dawe
19 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 12:05:54am

re: #18 Bagua

rofl!
You’re not gonna have an accident before you start!
LOL.

20 boxhead  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 12:08:20am

re: #19 reine.de.tout

rofl!
You’re not gonna have an accident before you start!
LOL.

no kidding…. That sounded like an Onion piece…. :(

21 Bagua  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 12:19:39am

Australian Senator discusses the oil spill in 1991 when the Greek tanker Kirki lost its bow off the coast of Western Australia.


- Clarke & Dawe
22 boxhead  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 12:22:56am

re: #21 Bagua

Australian Senator discusses the oil spill in 1991 when the Greek tanker Kirki lost its bow off the coast of Western Australia.


[Video]
- Clarke & Dawe

Sounds like Baghdad Bob……

23 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 12:51:56am

re: #21 Bagua

Australian Senator discusses the oil spill in 1991 when the Greek tanker Kirki lost its bow off the coast of Western Australia.


[Video]
- Clarke & Dawe

LOL.

24 freetoken  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 1:17:49am
25 freetoken  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 1:29:24am

Two men who would not pass the litmus test of Joe McCarthy, Beck, or Bachmann …


26 freetoken  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 1:39:15am
27 steve  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 1:47:44am

re: #25 freetoken

Two men who would not pass the litmus test of Joe McCarthy, Beck, or Bachmann …

Freetoken, let me make a sarcastic remark in the form of a question.
“Which litmus test are you refering to?

28 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 1:57:48am

Vincent D’Onofrio is 51 today.

Buon Compleanno, Vincent.

29 shai_au  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 2:07:35am

re: #21 Bagua

Australian Senator discusses the oil spill in 1991 when the Greek tanker Kirki lost its bow off the coast of Western Australia.


[Video]
- Clarke & Dawe

Heh, that’s definitely the best segment those two have ever done. And they’re still going today!

30 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 2:32:21am

More true religion:

My wife relates that when she was young, her granny read her the story of the Nativity, including the Massacre of the Innocents.

To which she asked, “How could they tell that it was boy babies that they were supposed to kill?”

Her prude Northern English granny could not bring herself to mention the anatomical difference between boy and girl babies, so she explained “boy babies have thicker fingers.”

Which casued my wife to panic, worrying: “I have fat fingers, too. What if they come and murder me in my sleep?”

31 EdDantes  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 2:59:24am

This thread seems to be in the doldrums. I shall do something about it.

32 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 3:11:01am

Throw some horses overboard?

33 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 3:16:50am

re: #31 EdDantes

Needs more Slayer

34 EdDantes  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 3:20:55am

re: #32 ralphieboy

Throw some horses overboard?

These are not the horse latitudes. I was thinking of hitting the Log Out button. When I hit Log In was when our little bark came to a standstill.

35 EdDantes  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 3:23:41am

re: #33 WindUpBird


I made it to 1 minute 30.

36 EdDantes  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 3:26:48am

This is my era.

37 Spartacus  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 4:06:51am

Good morning, Lizardim. The dopefish household has some new additions - early this morning, our very pregnant outdoor female kitty gave birth to her litter. Two of the four didn’t make it and we’re not sure if #3 is going to survive the morning, but the fourth one is very strong and healthy, at least. Something to look forward to when I get home from work, I guess.

38 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 4:08:25am

EdD,

You are right, Horse Latitudes are farther north than the Doldrums. But while we are waiting for a breeze:

39 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 4:39:04am

Enjoy your satanic visions

That’s an order

40 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 4:40:23am

re: #35 EdDantes

I made it to 1 minute 30.

I thank you for trying!

Here’s something a little more listenable and a little closer to the Windupbird molten core:

41 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 4:42:43am

(lyrics to the above yo)

Run, run like you’ve already done
You’ve gotta move to meet demand
You’re far flung when the music’s done
You better find a place to land

It’s all true when I lit that fuse
I never meant to be your friend
I kicked the tire but it caught on fire
I’m gonna try to make amends

You act mysterious
but you speak in gibberish
You can take your memories
I’m off
I better be alone
Alone

Part two, now you’re back in the news
you’re gonna spread the word around
I’m all done because the song is sung
I’m gonna black my windows out

You move mysterious
but you speak in gibberish
You can take your memories
I’m off
I better be alone
Alone

No harm no foul
It’s not fun at all
It’s not fair leading us there
It’s no fun at all

You act mysterious
but you speak in gibberish
You can take your memories
I’m off
I better be alone
Alone

I’m gone
I better be alone
Alone

42 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 4:44:16am

I think somebody should come up with a way to breed a very large shrimp. That way, you could ride him, then, after you camped at night, you could eat him. How about it, science?

-Jack Handey

43 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 4:46:02am

re: #42 Mad Al-Jaffee

I think somebody should come up with a way to breed a very large shrimp. That way, you could ride him, then, after you camped at night, you could eat him. How about it, science?

-Jack Handey

A Jumbo Shrimp?

44 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 4:51:25am

re: #43 ralphieboy

A Jumbo Shrimp?

I’d rather have shrimp gumbo.

45 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 4:54:21am

re: #44 Mad Al-Jaffee

I’d rather have shrimp gumbo.


You can’t have one. And it’s Bush’s fault

/

46 Spartacus  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 5:05:05am

re: #45 ralphieboy

You can’t have one. And it’s Bush’s fault

/

NO SHRIMP FOR YOU!

47 Ericus58  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 5:08:24am

BP oil spill brings big order to Seattle boat builder

[Link: seattletimes.nwsource.com…]

“The impact of the nation’s worst oil spill has stretched from the Gulf of Mexico to the shores of Puget Sound, creating a small boom for one local company.

To combat the oil that continues to gush out of the uncapped well on the Gulf floor, additional shallow-water skimmer boats are being ordered from Kvichak Marine Industries.

Two skimmers are already on their way to the Gulf. Seattle-based Kvichak has orders for 28 more boats, in a deal that may be worth about $10 million.

This is the first time the company has built boats during an oil spill. During such emergencies it usually just gets orders for more of the belts and pads its boats use to collect oil, because contractors run through their supplies quickly.

“Normally you don’t do it,” said Keith Whittemore, president. “[But] this damn thing keeps spewing oil.”

The BP spill is unique in that it’s been leaking for more than two months. The sheer scope of the cleanup effort is now beyond the capability of the 68 or so shallow-water skimmer boats that emergency-response company ES&H has working the spill, said Donald Nalty, ES&H’s chief operating officer.

Around 2,000 skimmers, from 200-foot barges to the 30-foot shallow-water boats made by Kvichak, are working the spill. The 30 skimmers from Kvichak will boost the size of ES&H’s fleet by about 50 percent.”

48 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 5:08:37am

HI EVERYBODY!
/Dr. Nick

49 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 5:12:19am

re: #46 thedopefishlives

NO SHRIMP FOR YOU!

Hey Costanza, the ocean called. They’re outta shrimp!

50 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 5:15:38am

re: #47 Ericus58

A Seattle maritime joke:

What do get when you cross a guiduck clam with an owl?

-A ten-inch mussel that stays up all night!!!

51 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 5:16:24am

Reuters
Today: 21
Yesterday: 17

Hi Reuters!
:P

52 Achilles Tang  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 5:31:38am

CNN broadcasting legend Larry King to step down

Time sell stock in psychics now that they won’t get free advertising from the “legend”.//

53 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 5:35:00am

re: #50 ralphieboy

The did a “Dirty Jobs” episode on those once, I think.

54 Achilles Tang  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 5:36:01am

re: #42 Mad Al-Jaffee

I think somebody should come up with a way to breed a very large shrimp. That way, you could ride him, then, after you camped at night, you could eat him. How about it, science?

-Jack Handey

Better still, you can chop off a leg (or perhaps smarter, a claw), eat that and keep riding until the next molt when it grows back, and keep the head shell for a shelter.

55 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 5:37:16am

re: #53 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The did a “Dirty Jobs” episode on those once, I think.

They did

56 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 5:39:26am

re: #30 ralphieboy

Which casued my wife to panic, worrying: “I have fat fingers, too. What if they come and murder me in my sleep?”

And granny said, “Not if you’re a good girl. You should have more spinach…”

57 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 5:40:37am

re: #55 ralphieboy

Yeah. It was pretty disgusting. One of the few shows that didn’t involve some form of poop or the other.

58 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 5:42:55am

Did anyone watch the premiere of Louie last night? Great show. Louis CK has a very cynical, dark sense of humor that I can really identify with. I hope this one gets good ratings.

59 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 5:45:28am

re: #57 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yeah. It was pretty disgusting. One of the few shows that didn’t involve some form of poop or the other.

But for that, it showed a peeing geoduck right t the beginning…

60 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 5:45:40am

re: #58 Mad Al-Jaffee

CK is one of the funniest comics out there… he did a guest spot on “Parks and Recreation” last year, played a totally different character than his normal… did pretty well, too.

62 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 5:49:44am

re: #60 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

CK is one of the funniest comics out there… he did a guest spot on “Parks and Recreation” last year, played a totally different character than his normal… did pretty well, too.

I never even heard of him until he was on Parks (best comedy on NBC now.) Really enjoyed his character on it.

63 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 5:53:01am

Good morning, fellow lizards. What’s the good word?

64 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 5:53:23am

re: #52 Naso Tang

CNN broadcasting legend Larry King to step down

Time sell stock in psychics now that they won’t get free advertising from the “legend”.//

Did the psychics see that one coming?

65 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 5:53:25am

re: #62 Mad Al-Jaffee

It was funny how that grew from an unfunny show to a very funny show over at a pretty slow pace.

Then, I notice that the show did not really get that much funnier. I just started to like the characters more.

66 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 5:53:32am

re: #63 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Good morning, fellow lizards. What’s the good word?

Burn Notice (season 3)

67 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 5:53:40am

re: #63 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Good morning, fellow lizards. What’s the good word?

Fractal basin

68 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 5:54:49am

re: #63 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Good morning, fellow lizards. What’s the good word?

Hurricane Alex is going west*


*Not valid in Texas and parts of Mexice.

69 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 5:55:56am

re: #65 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It was funny how that grew from an unfunny show to a very funny show over at a pretty slow pace.

Then, I notice that the show did not really get that much funnier. I just started to like the characters more.

I liked it from the beginning. The first season was a little uneven, but it quickly got better. Aubrey Plaza is one of the funniest young comic actors working today. I love her character, and Ron F’n Swanson.

70 Ericus58  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 5:58:32am

re: #61 Naso Tang

More self promoting Godwin garbage from Fox News this morning:

History is replete with examples of cultures in which taking guns away from law-abiding citizens foreshadowed catastrophic abuses of the power thereby invested in government. One need look no further than Nazi Germany.

From your referenced link:
“While gun control advocates point to the toll of accidental deaths and murders involving firearms, I believe such tragedies highlight the need for citizens to take more personal responsibility for the handguns they own, not any justification for them to be infantilized by banning them from owning handguns at all.”

71 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 5:59:51am

re: #69 Mad Al-Jaffee

Aubrey has the best eye roll I’ve ever seen.

And, you mean Duke Silver.

72 Ericus58  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:00:46am

Futures Tumble After Weak Jobs Number

[Link: www.cnbc.com…]

“Wall Street looked set for a slightly lower opening Wednesday after the latest report on private-sector employment arrived much weaker than expected.

The ADP report said the private sector added just 13,000 jobs in June, well below the 61,000 economists surveyed by Briefing.com predicted.”

73 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:01:41am

re: #61 Naso Tang

More self promoting Godwin garbage from Fox News this morning:

History is replete with examples of cultures in which taking guns away from law-abiding citizens foreshadowed catastrophic abuses of the power thereby invested in government. One need look no further than Nazi Germany.

The media are saturating us with manufactured fear. No one on the Left, Right or Center is giving up any guns.

74 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:03:20am

re: #71 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Aubrey has the best eye roll I’ve ever seen.

And, you mean Duke Silver.

Aziz Ansari is really good too. I’m not much into has standup, mainly because he does so many jokes about rap/hip hop people I know nothing about. Very funny guy though. I’ve been a fan of Amy Poehler since she was playing Andy Richter’s little sister on Conan O’Brien.

75 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:03:45am

re: #73 Decatur Deb

Godwin was right…

76 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:04:50am

re: #74 Mad Al-Jaffee

My nic is blue… email me…

77 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:05:23am

re: #75 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Godwin was right…

You don’t wait for a Nuremberg Rally to start whispering “Never Again”.

78 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:07:15am

Good morning Lizards. if the Obama administration continues its effort to deport this man, I will never EVER take them seriously about wanting to fight terrorism and evil in the world.

[Link: www.nypost.com…]

That our administration would even CONSIDER trying to deport this man is so unbelievable that words fail me.

79 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:08:11am

re: #76 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My nic is blue… email me…

Just sent you one with the subject “Duke Silver”

80 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:10:12am

Another thing I liked about the Louie premiere were the promos for Sons of Anarchy and Always Sunny. With these shows and Justified, FX is becoming one of my favorite networks.

81 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:11:18am

re: #73 Decatur Deb

The media are saturating us with manufactured fear. No one on the Left, Right or Center is giving up any guns.


That’s becasue they are afraid to try and take them, as they know they will have to do so from our cold, dead hands. And those of our cold, dead wives and children. And from the maws of our cold, dead dogs, etc…

/

82 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:11:50am

re: #78 _RememberTonyC

in case any of the New York Post bashers don’t believe this story, here’s another source …

[Link: www.google.com…]

83 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:13:20am

Today is my monthly trip to the local old age home where I lead my discussion group in sports conversation …. so I gotta run. BBL.

84 Ericus58  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:16:33am

re: #81 ralphieboy

That’s becasue they are afraid to try and take them, as they know they will have to do so from our cold, dead hands. And those of our cold, dead wives and children. And from the maws of our cold, dead dogs, etc…

/

“And the paws of our cold, dead kitties….”

85 Spartacus  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:17:24am

re: #84 Ericus58

“And the paws of our cold, dead kitties…”

Who are you kidding, the cats wouldn’t fight for us. They’d wait for us all to be cold and dead and then take over the country.

86 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:17:53am

re: #84 Ericus58

“And the paws of our cold, dead kitties…”

And from my terentatek’s dead hands….
Image: Terentatek_TOR.jpg

87 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:18:02am

re: #81 ralphieboy

That’s becasue they are afraid to try and take them, as they know they will have to do so from our cold, dead hands. And those of our cold, dead wives and children. And from the maws of our cold, dead dogs, etc…

/

“They” have this, lot of them:

Image: apache-longbow-helicopter.jpg

88 Ericus58  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:18:18am

re: #85 thedopefishlives

Who are you kidding, the cats wouldn’t fight for us. They’d wait for us all to be cold and dead and then take over the country.

“Greet your Overlords with open arms!”

89 Spartacus  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:18:47am

re: #88 Ericus58

“Greet your Overlords with open arms!”

A bag of kitty treats or a fluffy mouse toy will also suffice.

90 Ericus58  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:19:21am

re: #87 Decatur Deb

“They” have this, lot of them:

Image: apache-longbow-helicopter.jpg

Hellfire II.
Weapon of choice!

91 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:20:29am

re: #78 _RememberTonyC

Good morning Lizards. if the Obama administration continues its effort to deport this man, I will never EVER take them seriously about wanting to fight terrorism and evil in the world.

[Link: www.nypost.com…]

That our administration would even CONSIDER trying to deport this man is so unbelievable that words fail me.

Get me an article about this from a less biased cesspit than the NY post and you will have me fuming at Obama very angrily.

92 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:20:44am

re: #87 Decatur Deb

“They” have this, lot of them:

Image: apache-longbow-helicopter.jpg

Big whoop.
Image: Sovereign.png

93 Ericus58  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:21:04am

re: #91 LudwigVanQuixote

Get me an article about this from a less biased cesspit than the NY post and you will have me fuming at Obama very angrily.

See his Goggle link

94 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:21:21am

re: #82 _RememberTonyC

in case any of the New York Post bashers don’t believe this story, here’s another source …

[Link: www.google.com…]

You beat me to it. I am now going to say WTF Obama!?!?

95 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:21:37am

re: #92 Varek Raith

Big whoop.
Image: Sovereign.png

They never shield the ventilator ports.

96 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:22:23am

re: #92 Varek Raith

Big whoop.
Image: Sovereign.png

Big whoop.

Omega Destroyer. Need I say more?

97 Ericus58  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:22:37am

re: #92 Varek Raith

Big whoop.
Image: Sovereign.png

Are you making up for any “short comings”?
/

98 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:22:59am

re: #88 Ericus58

“Greet your Overlords with open arms!”

Image: crazy-kitten-with-gun.jpg

99 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:23:20am

re: #95 Decatur Deb

They never shield the ventilator ports.

Well what do you expect, they are built by people who know they get choked with the force or fried with lightening if they make suggestions.

Really, the Sith need to learn labor relations.

100 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:23:33am

re: #97 Ericus58

Are you making up for any “short comings”?
/

Nope.
That’s the only ship size that could fit a spinal mount superlaser.

101 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:24:04am

re: #99 LudwigVanQuixote

Well what do you expect, they are built by people who know they get choked with the force or fried with lightening if they make suggestions.

Really, the Sith need to learn labor relations.

Just outsource to a neighboring galaxy with laxer labor laws and lower environmental standards…

102 Ericus58  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:24:22am

re: #98 Mad Al-Jaffee

Image: crazy-kitten-with-gun.jpg

I’m inventorying the locker when I get home….

103 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:24:31am

re: #99 LudwigVanQuixote

Well what do you expect, they are built by people who know they get choked with the force or fried with lightening if they make suggestions.

Really, the Sith need to learn labor relations.

“Huelga!! Urrrk.”

104 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:24:43am

re: #92 Varek Raith

Big whoop.
Image: Sovereign.png

Oh, yeah?…

105 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:24:53am

re: #100 Varek Raith

Nope.
That’s the only ship size that could fit a spinal mount superlaser.

And yet again a small team of Jedi got aboard and pushed the off button. You guys have really got to stop with the off buttons.

106 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:24:53am

re: #92 Varek Raith

Big whoop.
Image: Sovereign.png

Bah!

Image: borg-cube-voy.jpg

107 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:25:32am

re: #78 _RememberTonyC

Good morning Lizards. if the Obama administration continues its effort to deport this man, I will never EVER take them seriously about wanting to fight terrorism and evil in the world.

[Link: www.nypost.com…]

That our administration would even CONSIDER trying to deport this man is so unbelievable that words fail me.

Yes, it is sickening.

108 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:26:27am

re: #105 LudwigVanQuixote

And yet again a small team of Jedi got aboard and pushed the off button. You guys have really got to stop with the off buttons.

True.
Palpatine was a fool.

109 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:27:16am

re: #106 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Bah!

Image: borg-cube-voy.jpg

Borg are even more incompetent than Sith at ship design. They fold when Picard sends them a harshly written letter.

OK nerds, fan boys and trekkies… which would win:

Starfury,
Tie fighter,
Viper mk II
Viper mk VII
X wing?

110 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:27:22am

re: #91 LudwigVanQuixote

Get me an article about this from a less biased cesspit than the NY post and you will have me fuming at Obama very angrily.

I’ve posted several links about it. I’ll look for them.

111 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:27:30am

re: #106 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Bah!

Image: borg-cube-voy.jpg

PFFFTTT, big whoop.
Voyager’s transphasic torpedoes made shortwork of a cube.
JUST 1 and BOOOM!
Stupid time travel in Star Trek.

112 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:27:56am

re: #110 MandyManners

I’ve posted several links about it. I’ll look for them.

You are going to see me bash Obama with full Ludwig rage soon then.

113 Ericus58  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:28:58am

re: #99 LudwigVanQuixote

Well what do you expect, they are built by people who know they get choked with the force or fried with lightening if they make suggestions.

Really, the Sith need to learn labor relations.

Hopefully, they won’t use Cuba as their basis for dealing with “suggestions”:

Restrictions to freedom of expression create climate of fear in Cuba

[Link: www.amnesty.org…]

“The report Restrictions on Freedom of Expression in Cuba highlights provisions in the legal system and government practices that restrict information provided to the media and which have been used to detain and prosecute hundreds of critics of the government.

“The laws are so vague that almost any act of dissent can be deemed criminal in some way, making it very difficult for activists to speak out against the government. There is an urgent need for reform to make all human rights a reality for all Cubans,” said Kerrie Howard, Deputy Americas Director at Amnesty International.”

114 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:29:30am
115 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:29:43am

re: #109 LudwigVanQuixote

Borg are even more incompetent than Sith at ship design. They fold when Picard sends them a harshly written letter.

OK nerds, fan boys and trekkies… which would win:

Starfury,
Tie fighter,
Viper mk II
Viper mk VII
X wing?

Depends.
The Starfury wins because it’s the most realistic.
Realism aside, I’d have to say X-wing. Why? Shields. 4x Blasters. The others would be overpowered.
My $0.02

116 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:29:44am

re: #112 LudwigVanQuixote


We ran over this topic many days ago, the problem and the inherent damned-if-you-do/don’t dilemma is that we really don’t know whose side this fellow is or was on.

117 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:30:00am

re: #112 LudwigVanQuixote

You are going to see me bash Obama with full Ludwig rage soon then.

bbiab

118 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:30:37am

re: #112 LudwigVanQuixote

You are going to see me bash Obama with full Ludwig rage soon then.

Racist!!!
/

119 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:30:44am

re: #109 LudwigVanQuixote

OK nerds, fan boys and trekkies… which would win:

Starfury,
Tie fighter,
Viper mk II
Viper mk VII
X wing?

Mega-Maid

120 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:30:55am

re: #109 LudwigVanQuixote

Death Blossom

Image: gunstar_concept_ship.jpg

121 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:30:56am

“The laws are so vague that almost any act of dissent can be deemed criminal in some way, making it very difficult for activists to speak out against the government. There is an urgent need for reform to make all human rights a reality for all Cubans,” said Kerrie Howard, Deputy Americas Director at Amnesty International.”

replace “dissent” with “terrorism” and you will see a similar pattern all over the world…

122 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:31:03am

re: #119 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Mega-Maid

BLOW BLOW BLOW

123 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:32:07am

When I was a kid my favorite relative was Uncle Caveman. After school we’d all go play in his cave, and every once in a while he would eat one of us. It wasn’t until later that I found out that Uncle Caveman was a bear.

–Jack Handey

124 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:32:27am

AP about Yousef. 6 hours old. Short.
[Link: www.google.com…]

125 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:32:32am

re: #115 Varek Raith

Depends.
The Starfury wins because it’s the most realistic.
Realism aside, I’d have to say X-wing. Why? Shields. 4x Blasters. The others would be overpowered.
My $0.02

See my .02 goes to the star fury or the viper mk VII because they conserve momentum and rotate on their centers of mass while the x-wings fly like planes. I think either could do a snap turn and strafe an x wing before she could bring her guns to bear.

126 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:33:30am

re: #120 Decatur Deb

Death Blossom

Image: gunstar_concept_ship.jpg

Massive upding for the Last Starfighter reference. The gunstar is a starfury on steroids.

127 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:33:48am

re: #125 LudwigVanQuixote

See my .02 goes to the star fury or the viper mk VII because they conserve momentum and rotate on their centers of mass while the x-wings fly like planes. I think either could do a snap turn and strafe an x wing before she could bring her guns to bear.

Yeah, Lucas annoys me with his WWII in space themes.
:)

128 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:35:19am

re: #127 Varek Raith

Yeah, Lucas annoys me with his WWII in space themes.
:)

BTW the Revan pic is awesome.

129 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:35:44am

re: #127 Varek Raith

Yeah, Lucas annoys me with his WWII in space themes.
:)

As soon as I saw the personalized helmet paint, I told the kids it was WWII.

130 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:36:06am

re: #109 LudwigVanQuixote

OK nerds, fan boys and trekkies… which would win:

Starfury,
Tie fighter,
Viper mk II
Viper mk VII
X wing?

Viper Mk II. It’s got speed, maneuverability, durability, firepower, and it doesn’t have networked computers that those frakin’ toasters can hack.

131 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:36:09am

re: #122 Varek Raith

BLOW BLOW BLOW

She’s gone from suck to blow!

132 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:36:21am

re: #127 Varek Raith

Yeah, Lucas annoys me with his WWII in space themes.
:)

I mean, my SSDs could glass a fleet half an AU away!
None of this point blank range crap!
:evilgrin:

133 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:36:52am

re: #124 Cannadian Club Akbar

AP about Yousef. 6 hours old. Short.
[Link: www.google.com…]

So the fuck is Obama playing at? Seriously. This guy has been in the states for some time. He is an ally and we are sending him to his death if he goes back to the Arab world. I am sure that the Israelis will take him, but that only invites hit squads to go to Israel.

134 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:37:00am

re: #99 LudwigVanQuixote

I’ll have the penne al arrabiata.

135 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:37:03am

re: #112 LudwigVanQuixote

You are going to see me bash Obama with full Ludwig rage soon then.

There are Lizards who argue for his deportation, btw.

136 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:37:45am

re: #133 LudwigVanQuixote

So the fuck is Obama playing at? Seriously. This guy has been in the states for some time. He is an ally and we are sending him to his death if he goes back to the Arab world. I am sure that the Israelis will take him, but that only invites hit squads to go to Israel.

This story is beyond WTF.
Why is he being deported?!

137 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:37:57am

re: #130 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Viper Mk II. It’s got speed, maneuverability, durability, firepower, and it doesn’t have networked computers that those frakin’ toasters can hack.

They pulled the backdoor out of the MkVIIs. It was a software hack for those not a backdoor. It is early, so I will forgive you for the nerd being weak in you this morning.

138 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:38:12am

re: #135 MandyManners

There are Lizards who argue for his deportation, btw.

I think he should be included in the Universal Amnesty.

139 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:38:17am

re: #135 MandyManners

There are Lizards who argue for his deportation, btw.

ON what basis?

140 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:39:25am

re: #112 LudwigVanQuixote

You are going to see me bash Obama with full Ludwig rage soon then.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

141 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:39:28am

re: #137 LudwigVanQuixote

PIMF early for me too

They pulled the backdoor out of the MkVIIs. It was a software hack for those not a network. It is early, so I will forgive you for the nerd being weak in you this morning.

142 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:40:54am

re: #133 LudwigVanQuixote

So the fuck is Obama playing at? Seriously. This guy has been in the states for some time. He is an ally and we are sending him to his death if he goes back to the Arab world. I am sure that the Israelis will take him, but that only invites hit squads to go to Israel.

He wasn’t a problem for the Bush Administration.

143 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:41:18am

re: #138 Decatur Deb

I think he should be included in the Universal Amnesty.

I don’t.

144 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:41:51am

re: #139 LudwigVanQuixote

ON what basis?

Look at the thread in my No. 140.

145 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:43:14am

re: #143 MandyManners

I don’t.

It’s a big world. He’ll fare as well as Salman Rushdie.

146 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:43:37am
147 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:44:51am

re: #145 Decatur Deb

It’s a big world. He’ll fare as well as Salman Rushdie.

Not even apples and oranges.

Rushdie wrote some shit that pissed off the mullahs.

Yousef helped the Israelis fight Hamas.

148 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:45:21am

re: #144 MandyManners

Happy news from the pond. One of my tads spent most of the day yesterday mostly out of the water, sunning himself on a rock. He has all 4 legs and his tail is shrinking. He could be wandering around the garden in the next week or two.

149 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:46:30am

re: #145 Decatur Deb

It’s a big world. He’ll fare as well as Salman Rushdie.

Are you gonna’ try this approach?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Oh, he’s just another author. No biggie.

150 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:46:42am

re: #148 Killgore Trout

Happy news from the pond. One of my tads spent most of the day yesterday mostly out of the water, sunning himself on a rock. He has all 4 legs and his tail is shrinking. He could be wandering around the garden in the next week or two.

Soon you’ll be buying freeze-dried slugs to feed the herd.

151 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:47:24am

And, did Rushdie seek refuge here, was granted it and then kicked out by another administration?

152 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:47:38am

BBL

153 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:48:07am

re: #148 Killgore Trout

Happy news from the pond. One of my tads spent most of the day yesterday mostly out of the water, sunning himself on a rock. He has all 4 legs and his tail is shrinking. He could be wandering around the garden in the next week or two.

WATCH OUT, SLUGS! KILGORE, JR., IS COMING!

154 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:48:39am

re: #149 MandyManners

Are you gonna’ try this approach?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Oh, he’s just another author. No biggie.

No, but I’m not ascribing world-wide superhuman powers to Hamas. It’s in Israel’s interest (and responsibility) to make sure he collects a pension.

155 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:49:10am

I have some real work to do. Darn. BBL.

156 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:49:32am

re: #135 MandyManners

There are Lizards who argue for his deportation, btw.


I don’t argue for it, but the reasoning seems to be that since he is the Israelis’ man, let them deal with him.

157 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:49:39am

re: #139 LudwigVanQuixote

ON what basis?

Here is some more from the Alabama thread.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

158 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:50:27am

re: #109 LudwigVanQuixote

Let me consult the charts and these charts.

I’d actually go with Talyn from Farscape but that’s a 250 meter ship (not exactly small).

In the size range we’re talking about (and I’m assuming mass production), I’d go with the Goa’uld Death Gliders or the the SGC F-302s.

159 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:50:47am

re: #133 LudwigVanQuixote

So the fuck is Obama playing at? Seriously. This guy has been in the states for some time. He is an ally and we are sending him to his death if he goes back to the Arab world. I am sure that the Israelis will take him, but that only invites hit squads to go to Israel.

I can just hear the Israelis saying Boi na chavivi! (Bring it on)

160 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:51:26am

re: #158 lawhawk

Whoa! Nekkid people alert!

161 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:52:13am

re: #154 Decatur Deb

No, but I’m not ascribing world-wide superhuman powers to Hamas. It’s in Israel’s interest (and responsibility) to make sure he collects a pension.

Which nation is farther away from the West Bank? Hamas certainly has the ability to slip people into Israel. Not so much into the US but, it’s possible.

BTW, the pension point is a no-go. My dad collects a pension from Israel. Should he live there?

162 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:52:16am

re: #160 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Whoa! Nekkid people alert!

You made me look. Thanks.

163 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:52:40am

re: #156 ralphieboy

I don’t argue for it, but the reasoning seems to be that since he is the Israelis’ man, let them deal with him.

No. 161, please.

164 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:54:07am

re: #161 MandyManners

Which nation is farther away from the West Bank? Hamas certainly has the ability to slip people into Israel. Not so much into the US but, it’s possible.

BTW, the pension point is a no-go. My dad collects a pension from Israel. Should he live there?

I’m not suggesting he would be in Israel. I’m thinking “undisclosed location” with good intertubes connectivity.

165 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:55:30am

re: #161 MandyManners

Which nation is farther away from the West Bank? Hamas certainly has the ability to slip people into Israel. Not so much into the US but, it’s possible.

BTW, the pension point is a no-go. My dad collects a pension from Israel. Should he live there?

Oops. Not the same. The pension comes from an Israeli company, not the Israeli government.

166 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:55:59am

It’s all in who you know when it comes to asylum.
[Link: www.foxnews.com…]

167 Spartacus  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:56:08am

Gotta jet, lizards. Be back in a while.

168 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:57:26am

gotta go myself for a bit. I am furious over the DHS story though.

169 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:57:26am

re: #164 Decatur Deb

I’m not suggesting he would be in Israel. I’m thinking “undisclosed location” with good intertubes connectivity.

Then, why not the United States of America, Israel’s No. One ally?

170 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:58:07am

re: #166 Cannadian Club Akbar

It’s all in who you know when it comes to asylum.
[Link: www.foxnews.com…]

It would be bad for her, and US interests, to have her bouncing around the Third world. Asylum is a valid argument.

171 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:58:16am

re: #168 LudwigVanQuixote

gotta go myself for a bit. I am furious over the DHS story though.

Just remember which administration let him in, and which is trying to kick him out.

172 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 6:59:27am

re: #169 MandyManners

Then, why not the United States of America, Israel’s No. One ally?

I’m not against it, knowing what little we know about the situation. At any rate, he needs to go off the radar.

173 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:00:47am

re: #172 Decatur Deb

I’m not against it, knowing what little we know about the situation. At any rate, he needs to go off the radar.

So grant him asylum and change his name to Bob.:)

174 Dom  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:02:07am

Charles,

The Kagan hearing vid on the frontpage is trying to autoplay some audio. It comes out very broken interrupted by excessive buffering. I checked all my tabs, usually Drudge ads are to blame, and didn’t suspect it would be LGF but it seems to be an error. I am browsing with the latest Chrome (5.0.375.86) on XP.

Much respect to you as ever.

175 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:04:09am

re: #173 Cannadian Club Akbar

So grant him asylum and change his name to Bob.:)

We, and Israel, have very good relations with the Republic of the Marshall Islands. I’d rather be there than Detroit or Afula.

176 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:05:14am

re: #174 Dom

Charles,

The Kagan hearing vid on the frontpage is trying to autoplay some audio. It comes out very broken interrupted by excessive buffering. I checked all my tabs, usually Drudge ads are to blame, and didn’t suspect it would be LGF but it seems to be an error. I am browsing with the latest Chrome (5.0.375.86) on XP.

Much respect to you as ever.

Yeah, the autoplay is annoying.

177 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:06:17am

As good of news that can come: The Tampa PD officer who was killed yesterday had pregnant wife. She went into labor yesterday, which could have meant the birth of her child on the day her husband died. Well, she still hasn’t given birth yet.

178 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:10:21am

re: #172 Decatur Deb

I’m not against it, knowing what little we know about the situation. At any rate, he needs to go off the radar.

The links Joo-Liz, CCA and I posted should give you ample information.

179 Ericus58  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:11:10am

re: #160 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Whoa! Nekkid people alert!

Gee…. guess I’ll have to see it at home, glad I saw your post before the click!

“Clicks on the Heart”

180 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:11:18am

re: #177 Cannadian Club Akbar

As good of news that can come: The Tampa PD officer who was killed yesterday had pregnant wife. She went into labor yesterday, which could have meant the birth of her child on the day her husband died. Well, she still hasn’t given birth yet.

Have they caught the bastard yet?

181 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:13:04am

re: #180 MandyManners

Have they caught the bastard yet?

No. The girl driving was caught and released with no charges. 95K reward for the guy. His family is pleading for him to turn himself in.

182 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:13:58am

re: #178 MandyManners

The links Joo-Liz, CCA and I posted should give you ample information.

The man lives in the world of real espionage. No one who knows his real story is blogging anything about it. I recognize real concern for what might be a brave and honest man. I also see a lot of opportunity to take another swipe at the President.

183 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:14:00am

re: #181 Cannadian Club Akbar

No. The girl driving was caught and released with no charges. 95K reward for the guy. His family is pleading for him to turn himself in.

Got a link? I’ve seen very little about it.

184 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:15:30am

re: #182 Decatur Deb

The man lives in the world of real espionage. No one who knows his real story is blogging anything about it. I recognize real concern for what might be a brave and honest man. I also see a lot of opportunity to take another swipe at the President.

He has his own blog. The link is in this thread and was posted by Joo-Liz.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

185 Ericus58  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:15:41am

re: #182 Decatur Deb

I think it’s a fair swipe at this administration.

186 garhighway  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:15:42am

re: #182 Decatur Deb

The man lives in the world of real espionage. No one who knows his real story is blogging anything about it. I recognize real concern for what might be a brave and honest man. I also see a lot of opportunity to take another swipe at the President.

If he really is a product of “the world of real espionage”, then writing a tell-all autobiography was sort of a strange thing to do.

187 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:15:43am

re: #183 MandyManners

Got a link? I’ve seen very little about it.

[Link: www.myfoxtampabay.com…]

188 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:16:24am

re: #182 Decatur Deb

The man lives in the world of real espionage. No one who knows his real story is blogging anything about it. I recognize real concern for what might be a brave and honest man. I also see a lot of opportunity to take another swipe at the President.

Liz’s link.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

189 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:17:02am

re: #182 Decatur Deb

The man lives in the world of real espionage. No one who knows his real story is blogging anything about it. I recognize real concern for what might be a brave and honest man. I also see a lot of opportunity to take another swipe at the President.

BTW, this administration has EARNED that swipe.

190 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:17:11am

re: #148 Killgore Trout

Happy news from the pond. One of my tads spent most of the day yesterday mostly out of the water, sunning himself on a rock. He has all 4 legs and his tail is shrinking. He could be wandering around the garden in the next week or two.

Congratulations Froggie Daddy!

191 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:17:26am

re: #186 garhighway

If he really is a product of “the world of real espionage”, then writing a tell-all autobiography was sort of a strange thing to do.

If anything can be trusted, he was born into the middle of it.

192 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:17:36am

Gotta reboot.

193 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:21:01am

re: #189 MandyManners

BTW, this administration has EARNED that swipe.

Yes. If he is deported unfairly.

194 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:22:01am

Good Morning and Happy Wednesday Everyone! And WELCOME to the newest members of Lizardia! Especially Leftwingconspiritor who’s a dear friend of RWC and I. The three of us had a real blast last night co-writing the Gold Cap ad, the wine was flowin fine after a ribeye steak dinner and you all can look for more of the same to come as LWC is a very talented writer. ;)

195 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:22:19am

re: #177 Cannadian Club Akbar

I am still hoping they’ll find the perp dead with his gun still in his own mouth…

197 Summer Seale  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:22:46am

re: #109 LudwigVanQuixote

Borg are even more incompetent than Sith at ship design. They fold when Picard sends them a harshly written letter.

OK nerds, fan boys and trekkies… which would win:

Starfury,
Tie fighter,
Viper mk II
Viper mk VII
X wing?

This is so easy.

X Wing. For three reasons:

1) An X Wing is probably flying in formation with other NR ships. If you’re flying it, and we have to assume that you are because if not the question wouldn’t be relevant, then you’re a star of the story. If you’re a star, your NR formation has an A Wing, which was a prototype and never released for full production. But the A Wing is so advanced and awesome that nothing can beat it in combat.

2) Given that the above is true, as logically proved, it also means you have an MCSC-80 or, given the fact that you are a hero of the story, probably the MSCS-90 prototype as your mothership backing up your squadron. Nothing beats an MCSC with a squid in charge, as everyone knows from watching ROTJ. Hence, you have major backup to blow away anything coming at you, no matter how thick they’re flying around the area.

3) Given that the first two are true, as has been proven logically, the final reason an X Wing would win over anything else is because you’re coming from the SW Universe, which means you’re flying with The Force. Given that no other major Sci-Fi franchise also has magic backing them up, you win by default. Nothing beats The Force.

So like, duh. Totally. There you go. Proven with absolute 100% logic and reliability. Child’s play.

Next? =)

198 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:23:38am

re: #197 Summer

(nerd alert)

199 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:23:42am

re: #195 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I am still hoping they’ll find the perp dead with his gun still in his own mouth…

You know they are following the girl and tapping her phone.

200 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:24:48am

re: #198 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

(nerd alert)

Sci-Fi nerd alert! Love it, love it!

201 darthstar  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:25:21am

re: #197 Summer
I could take out all those fighters with a can of hair spray and a lighter.

Mornin’ everyone.

202 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:26:18am

re: #201 darthstar

I could take out all those fighters with a can of hair spray and a lighter.

Mornin’ everyone.

Why do you hate the environment?
/

203 darthstar  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:28:10am

re: #202 Cannadian Club Akbar

Why do you hate the environment?
/

Sorry…flashback to my childhood days of doing battle with my toys…do they even sell aerosoles anymore which can be used as flame throwers?

204 darthstar  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:29:07am

re: #203 darthstar

Sorry…flashback to my childhood days of doing battle with my toys…do they even sell aerosoles anymore which can be used as flame throwers?

aerosols - pimf (Aerosoles are shoes, I believe)

205 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:29:27am

re: #203 darthstar

Sorry…flashback to my childhood days of doing battle with my toys…do they even sell aerosoles anymore which can be used as flame throwers?

Toys? We used them at Iron Maiden concerts.:)

206 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:31:04am

Gotta run. bbiab.

207 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:32:49am

re: #203 darthstar

Sorry…flashback to my childhood days of doing battle with my toys…do they even sell aerosoles anymore which can be used as flame throwers?

One of my brothers used to have a toy cannon that really fired, it used “Bangsite” as an accelerator. I always wondered why he loved to aim it at me? Thank goodness it didn’t have much of a range or I’d be covered with miniature cannonball pockmarks! Ahhh, sibling revelry! Those were the days…

208 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:32:51am

re: #203 darthstar

Sorry…flashback to my childhood days of doing battle with my toys…do they even sell aerosoles anymore which can be used as flame throwers?

Google “Potato Cannon”.

209 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:35:21am

re: #197 Summer

Gotta disagree - because the Force isn’t magic. It’s a frakking parasitic infection. Or do you just want to ignore the whole midichlorian infestation/infatuation. And even all those midichlorians weren’t enough to watch every last one of the Jedi whacked when they weren’t looking (and quite a few when they were) by nothing more than a bunch of bad ass Jango Fett cloners. Who was left? Yoda and Obi Wan. That’s it. Everyone else was killed. And it doesn’t matter how fast your reaction times are if you’re trying to out run a laser blast in space. If your ship can’t make the turn, it will burn.

210 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:35:38am

re: #207 Dragon_Lady

One of my brothers used to have a toy cannon that really fired, it used “Bangsite” as an accelerator. I always wondered why he loved to aim it at me? Thank goodness it didn’t have much of a range or I’d be covered with miniature cannonball pockmarks! Ahhh, sibling revelry! Those were the days…

Bangsite, IIRC, is their name for carbide. When wetted it generates acetylene, the same technology as a miner’s lamp.

211 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:36:57am

re: #197 Summer

This is so easy.

X Wing. For three reasons:

1) An X Wing is probably flying in formation with other NR ships. If you’re flying it, and we have to assume that you are because if not the question wouldn’t be relevant, then you’re a star of the story. If you’re a star, your NR formation has an A Wing, which was a prototype and never released for full production. But the A Wing is so advanced and awesome that nothing can beat it in combat.

2) Given that the above is true, as logically proved, it also means you have an MCSC-80 or, given the fact that you are a hero of the story, probably the MSCS-90 prototype as your mothership backing up your squadron. Nothing beats an MCSC with a squid in charge, as everyone knows from watching ROTJ. Hence, you have major backup to blow away anything coming at you, no matter how thick they’re flying around the area.

3) Given that the first two are true, as has been proven logically, the final reason an X Wing would win over anything else is because you’re coming from the SW Universe, which means you’re flying with The Force. Given that no other major Sci-Fi franchise also has magic backing them up, you win by default. Nothing beats The Force.

So like, duh. Totally. There you go. Proven with absolute 100% logic and reliability. Child’s play.

Next? =)

I love you.

212 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:37:01am

re: #187 Cannadian Club Akbar

[Link: www.myfoxtampabay.com…]

Candidate for Old Sparky?

213 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:37:11am

And this is why the Russians chose who they did for their spy ring. They were to blend in or to be honey pots. Anna Chapman sure was. The others blended in to their suburban communities.

But to what gain? It’s not clear that this spy ring managed to gather any classified or secret information.

214 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:38:11am

re: #193 Decatur Deb

Yes. If he is deported unfairly.

The very fact that they are trying to deport him is swipe-worthy.

215 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:38:48am

re: #212 MandyManners

Let’s hope he doesn’t make it that far.

216 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:39:22am

re: #210 Decatur Deb

Bangsite, IIRC, is their name for carbide. When wetted it generates acetylene, the same technology as a miner’s lamp.

Yeah, I know. The other thing he used to do is catch fly’s and put them into the bangsite/water mixture and watch them fizz. He was a bit of a pistol my big brother… As we grew older he gained the nickname “Mighty Mouth” I’ll let you guess why… Needless to say he’s a lot nicer since the Marines discharged him.

217 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:40:33am

re: #214 MandyManners

The very fact that they are trying to deport him is swipe-worthy.

Saying that requires knowledge of facts and rationales that are not available to us. Some day they might be, but I doubt it.

218 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:41:13am

re: #213 lawhawk

And this is why the Russians chose who they did for their spy ring. They were to blend in or to be honey pots. Anna Chapman sure was. The others blended in to their suburban communities.

But to what gain? It’s not clear that this spy ring managed to gather any classified or secret information.

Does the lack of information matter? Isn’t the motivation important?

219 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:41:38am

re: #215 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Let’s hope he doesn’t make it that far.

That he’s having to deal with this at all is a travesty.

220 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:42:26am

re: #217 Decatur Deb

Saying that requires knowledge of facts and rationales that are not available to us. Some day they might be, but I doubt it.

If you’d read the information available, you’d see that they are claiming that he’s a terrorist.

221 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:42:30am

re: #216 Dragon_Lady

Yeah, I know. The other thing he used to do is catch fly’s and put them into the bangsite/water mixture and watch them fizz. He was a bit of a pistol my big brother… As we grew older he gained the nickname “Mighty Mouth” I’ll let you guess why… Needless to say he’s a lot nicer since the Marines discharged him.

I hope torturing flies as a kid doesn’t count on our serial killer profile score. We took some to altitude in our physics lab bell jar.

222 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:43:26am

re: #221 Decatur Deb

I hope torturing flies as a kid doesn’t count on our serial killer profile score. We took some to altitude in our physics lab bell jar.

Or turning a magnifying glass into a superlaser against ants…

223 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:44:10am

re: #209 lawhawk

From the Robot Chicken SW special:

Darth Vader: Luke… I am your father!
Luke Skywalker: Noooo! That’s impossible!
Darth Vader: It’s true! And Princess Leia is your sister!
Luke Skywalker: That’s… improbable.
Darth Vader: And the Empire will be defeated by Ewoks!
Luke Skywalker: That’s… highly unlikely…
Darth Vader: And as a kid, I built C-3PO!
Luke Skywalker: …wha?
[time passes]
Darth Vader: And you know that all-powerful Force? That’s really just microscopic bacteria called Midichlorians!
Luke Skywalker: [smoking a cigarette] Look, if you’re not gonna take this seriously, I’m outta here!

224 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:44:50am

re: #214 MandyManners

The very fact that they are trying to deport him is swipe-worthy.


It is a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don’t situation, I am sure that not all the relevant information has been made available (nor can it be made available for various reasons), but go swipe away if it makes you feel better.

225 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:44:53am

re: #220 MandyManners

If you’d read the information available, you’d see that they are claiming that he’s a terrorist.

“One never know, do one?”

226 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:46:54am

re: #218 MandyManners

Well, it does inform us as to why the charges were done as they were - they weren’t charged with espionage, but with failing to register as foreign agents - a far less severe charge. Money laundering is the other major charge (up to 20 years and $500k in fines).

That compares with espionage, which could give the death penalty under 18 USC 794.

227 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:47:09am

Well boys and girls I gotta go get ready to go out to my folks place. I haven’t seen them for a while and I can’t stay for dinner as RWC and I are going to go out to night for dinner and celebrate our Anniversary. So I’ll bid you all “Adeu” and wish you all a great day! Keep Laughing!

I see Mad is doing his best to see to it! Well done Mad! Keep up the great work! See you!
P.S. Up-ding for you!

228 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:49:20am

re: #226 lawhawk

Well, it does inform us as to why the charges were done as they were - they weren’t charged with espionage, but with failing to register as foreign agents - a far less severe charge. Money laundering is the other major charge (up to 20 years and $500k in fines).

That compares with espionage, which could give the death penalty under 18 USC 794.

Lock ‘em up and then deport them.

229 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:49:40am

re: #221 Decatur Deb

I hope torturing flies as a kid doesn’t count on our serial killer profile score. We took some to altitude in our physics lab bell jar.

Nah. It was just middle child syndrome. He’s a really good guy, I’d trust him with my life and I love him to pieces! I really must go! Ta ta! ;)

230 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:50:00am

Model for the new GOP? NJ Gov. Chris Christie. He’s already gotten the state budget done - and largely on his terms. He’s reframed the budget process to begin getting spending under control and showing that spending at all levels of the state and local levels are responsible for out of control property taxes and a tax burden that is the highest in the country.

231 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:50:43am

re: #208 Decatur Deb

McDonald’s french fries are made with a potato water cannon.

232 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:50:56am

Lando’s Deal.

233 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:51:48am

re: #231 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

McDonald’s french fries are made with a potato water cannon.

Fur real? Shoot them through a blade array?

234 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:53:26am

re: #230 lawhawk

Model for the new GOP? NJ Gov. Chris Christie. He’s already gotten the state budget done - and largely on his terms. He’s reframed the budget process to begin getting spending under control and showing that spending at all levels of the state and local levels are responsible for out of control property taxes and a tax burden that is the highest in the country.

And it looks like he appreciates pie.

235 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 7:59:35am

re: #233 Decatur Deb

Fur real? Shoot them through a blade array?

Yep… there’s a McDonalds (obviously) video that talks of the tater making process at about 6:20…

236 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 8:01:44am

re: #235 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Cool. BBL

237 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 8:02:49am

re: #231 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

McDonald’s french fries are made with a potato water cannon.

And Arby’s roast beef isn’t really meat. :)

[Link: www.snopes.com…]

238 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 8:03:38am

re: #230 lawhawk

He’s my new hero… he’s lost 35lbs.

Wonder why… dum dum dada dum dada dada dada dum…

(really, if you say that right, it is “Hail to the Chief”..)

239 Ericus58  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 8:04:47am

re: #238 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

He’s my new hero… he’s lost 35lbs.

Wonder why… dum dum dada dum dada dada dada dum…

(really, if you say that right, it is “Hail to the Chef”..)

FIFY

240 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 8:04:56am

re: #237 Mad Al-Jaffee

See the vid… I ain’t lying…

241 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 8:06:32am

re: #240 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

See the vid… I ain’t lying…

Can’t watch it at work. And next you’re going to tell me that soylent green isn’t really made from soy and lentils.

242 Ericus58  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 8:07:24am

Assassination of a Candidate for Governor Scars Mexico

[Link: news.yahoo.com…]

“Last Friday, June 25, gubernatorial candidate Rodolfo Torre raised both his arms to the sky in front of 15,000 cheering white-shirted supporters in a baseball stadium minutes from the Rio Grande. After he promised security in his violence-ridden border state of Tamaulipas, the crowd erupted to his campaign anthem, sung to the catchy tune of the smash hit “I Gotta Feeling” by U.S. pop band Black Eyed Peas. They had reason for celebration. Opinion polls all concurred that the mustachioed physician would win the July 4 election by a landslide of more than 30 points. But on Monday, as Torre left the state capital to conclude his campaign, assailants showered his convoy with gunfire from automatic rifles and heavy-caliber weapons, killing him instantly. Army commanders said the attack bore all the signs of the Zetas, a paramilitary drug gang that was born in the state.”

243 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 8:07:31am

re: #241 Mad Al-Jaffee

IT’S PEEEPAAALLL!!!

244 albusteve  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 8:09:56am

re: #242 Ericus58

Assassination of a Candidate for Governor Scars Mexico

[Link: news.yahoo.com…]

“Last Friday, June 25, gubernatorial candidate Rodolfo Torre raised both his arms to the sky in front of 15,000 cheering white-shirted supporters in a baseball stadium minutes from the Rio Grande. After he promised security in his violence-ridden border state of Tamaulipas, the crowd erupted to his campaign anthem, sung to the catchy tune of the smash hit “I Gotta Feeling” by U.S. pop band Black Eyed Peas. They had reason for celebration. Opinion polls all concurred that the mustachioed physician would win the July 4 election by a landslide of more than 30 points. But on Monday, as Torre left the state capital to conclude his campaign, assailants showered his convoy with gunfire from automatic rifles and heavy-caliber weapons, killing him instantly. Army commanders said the attack bore all the signs of the Zetas, a paramilitary drug gang that was born in the state.”

the Zetas are presumably moving back and forth across the border, setting up shop in AZ…

245 Ericus58  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 8:12:57am

Here’s a nice story now to balance the gloom:

Couple who met, and fell in love, on South Park Bridge 66 years ago sad to see it go

[Link: seattletimes.nwsource.com…]

“It was that September day when Vern Landry, his brother Eugene and two friends were driving across the bridge and saw the 17-year-old girl walking alone, heading home from her job at Boeing’s Shelter Cafe. Was she cute? “She was a girl,” said Vern Landry.

His brother was driving his ‘41 Chevy and stopped the car in the middle of the bridge and offered her a ride home. Ardis wasn’t about to get into a car with a bunch of strangers, even though she thought Vern was pretty darned handsome.

So they asked her if they could follow her home across the bridge. She agreed, knowing she had her parents and eight brothers and sisters waiting for her. Lots of protection if these guys turned out to be hellions.”

Really enjoyed reading this; great style of words used and just a good story.

246 Political Atheist  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 8:14:59am

re: #216 Dragon_Lady

Yeah, I know. The other thing he used to do is catch fly’s and put them into the bangsite/water mixture and watch them fizz.

“Waitress! Hold the eggs, I’ll just have coffee this morning”.

247 Lidane  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 8:15:37am
248 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 8:21:08am

re: #247 Lidane

The 24 Types of Libertarian

Heh.

befoe you “heh’, to paraphrase Jeff Foxworthy
“You might just be a Libertarian”

(take the quiz and see where you stand)

[Link: www.theadvocates.org…]

249 Political Atheist  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 8:21:39am

re: #248 sattv4u2

Have you seen the You might be a Taliban email?

250 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 8:24:02am

re: #249 Rightwingconspirator

Have you seen the You might be a Taliban email?

no,,, and in that I usually shave but once or so a week,, I may be closer than I thinnk!

251 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 8:24:57am

re: #242 Ericus58

Assassination of a Candidate for Governor Scars Mexico

[Link: news.yahoo.com…]

“Last Friday, June 25, gubernatorial candidate Rodolfo Torre raised both his arms to the sky in front of 15,000 cheering white-shirted supporters in a baseball stadium minutes from the Rio Grande. After he promised security in his violence-ridden border state of Tamaulipas, the crowd erupted to his campaign anthem, sung to the catchy tune of the smash hit “I Gotta Feeling” by U.S. pop band Black Eyed Peas. They had reason for celebration. Opinion polls all concurred that the mustachioed physician would win the July 4 election by a landslide of more than 30 points. But on Monday, as Torre left the state capital to conclude his campaign, assailants showered his convoy with gunfire from automatic rifles and heavy-caliber weapons, killing him instantly. Army commanders said the attack bore all the signs of the Zetas, a paramilitary drug gang that was born in the state.”

I posted a link in Pages the other day about Cuba being mixed up in violence and drug-running in one area of Mexico. Any connection?

252 albusteve  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 8:31:47am

GRAND ISLE, La. – Rough seas generated by Hurricane Alex pushed more oil from the massive spill onto Gulf coast beaches as cleanup vessels were sidelined by the far-away storm’s ripple effects.

The hurricane was churning coastal waters across the oil-affected region on the Gulf of Mexico. Waves as high as 6 feet and winds over 25 mph were forecast through Thursday just off shore from the Mississippi Delta in Louisiana to the Florida Panhandle.

In Louisiana, the storm pushed an oil patch toward Grand Isle and uninhabited Elmer’s Island, dumping tar balls as big as apples on the beach.

“The sad thing is that it’s been about three weeks since we had any big oil come in here,” marine science technician Michael Malone said. “With this weather, we lost all the progress we made.”

very bad news…worst case scenario

253 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 8:37:44am

re: #232 Varek Raith

Lando’s Deal.

[Video]

“Clown Shoes” is a running joke with one of my RPG groups. The reference is instantly picked up, and usually comes up when an NPC boss makes the group some sort of shoddy deal offer.

254 albusteve  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 8:39:09am

from the hearings…

“In terms of my political views, I’ve been a Democrat all my life,” Kagan said in response to questioning from Sen. Lindsey Graham. “I’ve worked for two Democratic presidents. And that’s what my political views are.”
After further questioning, she added, “My political views are generally progressive.”

Kagan is a progressive(?)…will this upset the dem/libs here?….if progressive is insulting then how do they reconcile Kagen?

255 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 8:41:22am

re: #254 albusteve

ouch

256 Lidane  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 8:41:31am

re: #248 sattv4u2

I’ve taken those quizzes before. They’re vague and designed to push people towards calling themselves libertarian. I mean, all the stuff it asks you about sounds great in theory. It’s putting it all into practice where libertarianism falls apart.

257 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 8:41:44am

re: #254 albusteve

Kagan is a progressive(?)…will this upset the dem/libs here?…if progressive is insulting then how do they reconcile Kagen?

I don’t think the term progressive is any more insulting than conservative. I consider myself a liberal but even I use the term as a slur sometimes. Glenn Beck will freak out about the progressive thing but to the rest of the world it won’t be a surprise.

258 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 8:42:35am

For the scifi geeks:Fans fund indy sci-fi film

259 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 8:43:09am
260 albusteve  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 8:43:10am

re: #255 sattv4u2

ouch

high comedy

261 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 8:44:05am

re: #254 albusteve

from the hearings…

“In terms of my political views, I’ve been a Democrat all my life,” Kagan said in response to questioning from Sen. Lindsey Graham. “I’ve worked for two Democratic presidents. And that’s what my political views are.”
After further questioning, she added, “My political views are generally progressive.”

Kagan is a progressive(?)…will this upset the dem/libs here?…if progressive is insulting then how do they reconcile Kagen?

It’s only insulting to you and Mandy.

262 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 8:44:46am

re: #254 albusteve

from the hearings…

“In terms of my political views, I’ve been a Democrat all my life,” Kagan said in response to questioning from Sen. Lindsey Graham. “I’ve worked for two Democratic presidents. And that’s what my political views are.”
After further questioning, she added, “My political views are generally progressive.”

Kagan is a progressive(?)…will this upset the dem/libs here?…if progressive is insulting then how do they reconcile Kagen?

In this past Monday, didn’t she have trouble understanding how the word “progressive” had any meaning to he judicial views?

263 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 8:45:38am

re: #262 Walter L. Newton

In this past Monday, didn’t she have trouble understanding how the word “progressive” had any meaning to he judicial views?

She was talking about her political views not her judicial philosophy.

264 albusteve  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 8:46:40am

re: #261 Fozzie Bear

It’s only insulting to you and Mandy.

how so?

265 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 8:47:28am

re: #263 Killgore Trout

She was talking about her political views not her judicial philosophy.

So… ones political views does not influence their judicial views?

266 pharmmajor  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 8:48:42am

Apologies if I asked this before, Charles, but I really am curious to know: what exactly do you dislike about libertarians?

267 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 8:50:36am

re: #266 pharmmajor

Apologies if I asked this before, Charles, but I really am curious to know: what exactly do you dislike about libertarians?

May I interject… Rand Paul, Ron Paul… and in general the libertarian party is and will always be the party of the future.

268 researchok  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 8:51:39am

re: #267 Walter L. Newton

May I interject… Rand Paul, Ron Paul… and in general the libertarian party is and will always be the party of the future.

The alternate universe future.

269 Ericus58  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 8:51:57am

re: #251 MandyManners

I posted a link in Pages the other day about Cuba being mixed up in violence and drug-running in one area of Mexico. Any connection?

I haven’t read about much of a Cuban connection within Mexico itself.
I’ve read many reports though about Cuba’s hand in conjunction with Hugo on their growing influence in other Central/South American countries.

I’ll do some checkin.

270 albusteve  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 8:54:24am

US Middle East envoy George Mitchell arrived in Israel on Tuesday for three days of talks, amid reports that the US would like to see Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu extend the 10-month settlement freeze in exchange for a Palestinian Authority agreement to enter into direct talks.

G Mitchell, that wizard if the ME is in town!…the admin keeps pushing Israel to back down, over and over for nothing in return…an old, moldy, burned out strategy that does more harm than good….change!

Mitchell’s arrival comes a week before a meeting in the White House between Netanyahu and US President Barack Obama, in which the issue of settlement construction after the moratorium expires on September 26 is expected to be discussed.

more discussion…that will do the trick!…talk Hamas into oblivion

[Link: www.jpost.com…]

271 albusteve  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 8:57:31am

re: #265 Walter L. Newton

So… ones political views does not influence their judicial views?

must be a pretty fine distinction…semantics

272 Lidane  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 8:58:26am

re: #258 Killgore Trout

For the scifi geeks:Fans fund indy sci-fi film

And for the comics nerds, Wonder Woman is getting a makeover.

273 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:00:34am

re: #271 albusteve

must be a pretty fine distinction…semantics

I asked that question honestly… if “ones political views does not influence their judicial views” is a fact, then is it possible that the 4 judges that voted against the Chicago gun ban are in actually, or at least possibly conservatives.

Have we been confusing the way we look at Supreme Court judges all these years, labeling them liberal or conservative.

It confuses me.

274 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:00:40am

Hey all…. anyone here at the moment who can answer a question about a macbook question?

275 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:01:32am

re: #274 CapeCoddah

Hey all… anyone here at the moment who can answer a question about a macbook question?

You have a Macbook that asked a question? That’s scary?

276 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:01:51am

re: #269 Ericus58

I haven’t read about much of a Cuban connection within Mexico itself.
I’ve read many reports though about Cuba’s hand in conjunction with Hugo on their growing influence in other Central/South American countries.

I’ll do some checkin.

It’s in the Pages but I cannot figure out how to use the search function there.

277 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:02:02am

re: #266 pharmmajor

Apologies if I asked this before, Charles, but I really am curious to know: what exactly do you dislike about libertarians?

You crack me up.

278 SilentAlfa  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:02:06am

re: #265 Walter L. Newton

So… ones political views does not influence their judicial views?

Unless I’m mistaken, supreme court judges are highly esteemed for their ability to make objective decisions about the law, regardless of their moral values or political concerns. So no, why should we hold a judge’s political views against him/her? Don’t they have the right to have political beliefs, just like everyone else? It would seem to me that conservatives love to paint all potentially liberal judges as partisan hacks incapable of making just rulings because they’re hellbent on pushing forward their Progressive Agenda, though.

279 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:02:18am

LOL, Walter…I have a very SPECIAL MacBook!!

280 albusteve  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:02:22am

Abdullah, 86, arrived at the White House just a week before Obama is due to welcome Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, following Israel’s decision to allow some “civilian” goods into Gaza after its deadly flotilla raid.

Obama, who pushed for such a step, may try to use the Israeli move as a spur to intensify US-brokered indirect talks between Israel and the Palestinians, as he seeks to open a direct channel between the two sides.

allow some civilian goods?..wtf?…that’s just intentionally misleading, in fact Israel just doubled the number of aid trucks into Gaza and plans to more than double that number

[Link: news.ninemsn.com.au…]

281 Ericus58  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:03:04am

re: #276 MandyManners

It’s in the Pages but I cannot figure out how to use the search function there.

I still need to figure out the “Pages” gig and apply it to my contributions here… ;)

I’ve been lazy.

282 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:03:18am

re: #272 Lidane

And for the comics nerds, Wonder Woman is getting a makeover.

She’s not a Marvel Comics character. Charles won’t like this post.
/

283 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:04:07am

re: #273 Walter L. Newton

I asked that question honestly… if “ones political views does not influence their judicial views” is a fact, then is it possible that the 4 judges that voted against the Chicago gun ban are in actually, or at least possibly conservatives.

Have we been confusing the way we look at Supreme Court judges all these years, labeling them liberal or conservative.

It confuses me.

It all boils down to the philosophy which informs one’s Weltanschauung.

284 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:04:57am

re: #281 Ericus58

I still need to figure out the “Pages” gig and apply it to my contributions here… ;)

I’ve been lazy.

I’m still fiddling with it.

285 albusteve  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:05:23am

re: #278 SilentAlfa

Unless I’m mistaken, supreme court judges are highly esteemed for their ability to make objective decisions about the law, regardless of their moral values or political concerns. So no, why should we hold a judge’s political views against him/her? Don’t they have the right to have political beliefs, just like everyone else? It would seem to me that conservatives love to paint all potentially liberal judges as partisan hacks incapable of making just rulings because they’re hellbent on pushing forward their Progressive Agenda, though.

exactly the attitude of federal judges consistently blocking nuclear reactor construction

286 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:05:38am

re: #270 albusteve

So much for that. Hamas refuses to talk with Fatah over reconciling their differences. They use defenestration to get their point across.

Oh, and a Hamas bigwig was arrested, just a month after being released for violating the terms of his release. Go figure.

Meanwhile, Iran doesn’t like Coke, smiles, or the Zionists.

They’ve banned Cokes and Zionists. They’re prohibiting the advertising of products and companies that do business with Israel. I guess no Intel inside. Or Microsoft, or any other company that does business in Israel. Which pretty much includes every tech company around because Israel is a worldwide leader in high tech, software, and cutting edge medicine.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad signed Wednesday a new amendment to a law in the Islamic Republic that forbids the airing of advertisements for “Zionist companies.” The blacklist of prohibited companies is comprised mainly of international companies, mainly American, owned by Jews or that operate branches in Israel.

Among those on the list are Coca Cola, Nestle, Intel, and IBM.

The boycott is rooted in Iran’s “Palestinian support law,” which acts as a response to assertions that Israel prevented goods from entering the Gaza Strip during its raid on the flotilla.

287 albusteve  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:06:53am

re: #273 Walter L. Newton

I asked that question honestly… if “ones political views does not influence their judicial views” is a fact, then is it possible that the 4 judges that voted against the Chicago gun ban are in actually, or at least possibly conservatives.

Have we been confusing the way we look at Supreme Court judges all these years, labeling them liberal or conservative.

It confuses me.

it confuses me how anyone could vote against the 2nd amendment…that vote should have been 9-0…politics is exactly why four judges voted nay

288 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:07:09am

re: #278 SilentAlfa

Unless I’m mistaken, supreme court judges are highly esteemed for their ability to make objective decisions about the law, regardless of their moral values or political concerns. So no, why should we hold a judge’s political views against him/her? Don’t they have the right to have political beliefs, just like everyone else? It would seem to me that conservatives love to paint all potentially liberal judges as partisan hacks incapable of making just rulings because they’re hellbent on pushing forward their Progressive Agenda, though.

So, Democrats always look at possible Supreme court nominees for their judicial decisions. How many times has the judicially liberal members of the court voted conservative.

289 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:07:18am

re: #274 CapeCoddah

Hey all… anyone here at the moment who can answer a question about a macbook question?

This will depend on what the question is.
Fire away!

290 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:07:36am

re: #278 SilentAlfa

Unless I’m mistaken, supreme court judges are highly esteemed for their ability to make objective decisions about the law, regardless of their moral values or political concerns. So no, why should we hold a judge’s political views against him/her? Don’t they have the right to have political beliefs, just like everyone else? It would seem to me that conservatives love to paint all potentially liberal judges as partisan hacks incapable of making just rulings because they’re hellbent on pushing forward their Progressive Agenda, though.

Kinda’ like liberals attacked Thomas, Scalia and Roberts?

291 Ericus58  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:08:42am

re: #286 lawhawk

So much for that. Hamas refuses to talk with Fatah over reconciling their differences. They use defenestration to get their point across.

Oh, and a Hamas bigwig was arrested, just a month after being released for violating the terms of his release. Go figure.

Meanwhile, Iran doesn’t like Coke, smiles, or the Zionists.

They’ve banned Cokes and Zionists. They’re prohibiting the advertising of products and companies that do business with Israel. I guess no Intel inside. Or Microsoft, or any other company that does business in Israel. Which pretty much includes every tech company around because Israel is a worldwide leader in high tech, software, and cutting edge medicine.

Those ‘banned’ items are only being banned for the common folk…. you can be sure that any and all technology required in their Nuclear program will be obtained and used.

OH, and those snappy personal electronic devices and software - thems belong to the elites methinks too.

292 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:09:00am

re: #290 MandyManners

Kinda’ like liberals attacked Thomas, Scalia and Roberts?

That’s pretty much all I heard on Monday: “This court is way too conservative, all the decisions keep coming down 5-4 in favor of conservatives, and that’s why we need Kagan, because we need a liberal voice on the court!”

293 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:09:59am

re: #287 albusteve

it confuses me how anyone could vote against the 2nd amendment…that vote should have been 9-0…politics is exactly why four judges voted nay

You gun fetishist!!!
/

294 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:10:53am

It isn’t going to have a huge impact regardless, as Kagan will be replacing a relatively liberal justice anyway.

295 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:10:59am

re: #274 CapeCoddah

Hey all… anyone here at the moment who can answer a question about a macbook question?

Yes. Go ahead and ask.

William

296 albusteve  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:11:09am

re: #292 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

That’s pretty much all I heard on Monday: “This court is way too conservative, all the decisions keep coming down 5-4 in favor of conservatives, and that’s why we need Kagan, because we need a liberal voice on the court!”

and when the court is properly stacked, amnesty for illegal immigrants will be deemed a constitutional civil right…bet me

297 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:11:28am

Is there to be no, absolutely no, restrictions to be place upon the 2nd amendment?

298 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:12:04am

re: #292 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

That’s pretty much all I heard on Monday: “This court is way too conservative, all the decisions keep coming down 5-4 in favor of conservatives, and that’s why we need Kagan, because we need a liberal voice on the court!”

She’s replacing Souter who was neither on the left nor on the right.

299 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:12:04am

re: #286 lawhawk

So much for that. Hamas refuses to talk with Fatah over reconciling their differences. They use defenestration to get their point across.

Oh, and a Hamas bigwig was arrested, just a month after being released for violating the terms of his release. Go figure.

Meanwhile, Iran doesn’t like Coke, smiles, or the Zionists.

They’ve banned Cokes and Zionists. They’re prohibiting the advertising of products and companies that do business with Israel. I guess no Intel inside. Or Microsoft, or any other company that does business in Israel. Which pretty much includes every tech company around because Israel is a worldwide leader in high tech, software, and cutting edge medicine.

Now if only they would ban Jewish physics. It would be impossible for them to make anything atomic.

300 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:12:20am

re: #271 albusteve

must be a pretty fine distinction…semantics

Not really. Politically Conservative judges can have various judicial philosophies (Constructionist, Originalist, etc). Politically liberal judges can use various judicial philosophies as well.
There’s nothing outrageous about this.

301 albusteve  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:12:42am

re: #297 Varek Raith

Is there to be no, absolutely no, restrictions to be place upon the 2nd amendment?

huh?…there are thousands of gun laws that are all restrictive in some sense

302 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:12:42am

re: #297 Varek Raith

Is there to be no, absolutely no, restrictions to be place upon the 2nd amendment?

The army has all the flamethrowers, but Texas is working on that.

303 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:14:25am

re: #301 albusteve

huh?…there are thousands of gun laws that are all restrictive in some sense

I know.
I’m just trying to get other’s opinions.

304 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:14:38am

re: #299 LudwigVanQuixote

Now if only they would ban Jewish physics. It would be impossible for them to make anything atomic.

There’s an exhibit on Einstein here at OMSI this summer. It’s interesting, but not really meant for kids (well, except for the giant fiberglass Einstein head.)

305 albusteve  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:15:02am

re: #300 Killgore Trout

Not really. Politically Conservative judges can have various judicial philosophies (Constructionist, Originalist, etc). Politically liberal judges can use various judicial philosophies as well.
There’s nothing outrageous about this.

agreed, it means little to me…I only care how they vote

306 Lidane  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:15:43am

re: #302 LudwigVanQuixote

The army has all the flamethrowers, but Texas is working on that.

That’s because they agree with Grassley that God told us all to carry guns. =P

307 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:15:46am

re: #294 Fozzie Bear

Indeed - there isn’t going to be a serious groundswell of change on the court unless Kennedy retires (or Roberts, Thomas, Alito, or Scalia retire or leave the Court). Kennedy is the swing on many cases, and if Obama gets to pick his replacement, then we’d see a possible shift in the ideological balance on the Court.

Right now, it appears that the justice most likely to leave the Court next would be Ginsberg (poor health), followed by Scalia and Kennedy and Breyer (age 74, 73 and 71 respectively). The other members are in their 50s and 60s and seemingly good health. In other words, barring some unforeseen deaths, the composition of the court is likely to be stable for some years to come.

308 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:18:36am

Angle: ‘I Meant Take Reid Out of Office’

LOS ANGELES — Nevada Senate candidate Sharron Angle backed away Tuesday from remarks in which she referred to the Second Amendment right to bear arms and the need to “take … out” Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.

/Sure she did.

309 Targetpractice  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:20:03am

re: #298 MandyManners

She’s replacing Souter who was neither on the left nor on the right.

Yep. Lawhawk pretty much laid it out that, despite all the grandstanding, Kagan being seated on the court won’t change the composition of the court in any significant fashion. All the Congress critters are doing is using these hearings as a soapbox for their own particular talking points. The Republicans to rant against Obama, the Democrats to rant against “Big Business” and conservatism.

310 albusteve  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:20:34am

re: #308 Bubblehead II

Angle: ‘I Meant Take Reid Out of Office’

LOS ANGELES — Nevada Senate candidate Sharron Angle backed away Tuesday from remarks in which she referred to the Second Amendment right to bear arms and the need to “take … out” Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.

/Sure she did.

people presuming she meant kill Harry are just slinging shit…I don’t think we are quite to the point of murder going mainstream

311 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:21:15am

re: #309 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yep. Lawhawk pretty much laid it out that, despite all the grandstanding, Kagan being seated on the court won’t change the composition of the court in any significant fashion. All the Congress critters are doing is using these hearings as a soapbox for their own particular talking points. The Republicans to rant against Obama, the Democrats to rant against “Big Business” and conservatism.


There are big stiff shiny fliers to be sent out before the next election cycle, and something needs to go on them.

Goodness knows nobody in the electorate pays attention to anything they DO.

312 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:21:42am

re: #304 Emmmieg

There’s an exhibit on Einstein here at OMSI this summer. It’s interesting, but not really meant for kids (well, except for the giant fiberglass Einstein head.)

With atomics, it’s not just Einstein.

It’s Bohr, Bethe, Rabi, Feynman, Oppenheimer, depending on how you count, Fermi, Levi and a bunch of others.

Any list of the top 20 physicists of that generation will be 1/2 to 3/4 Jewish depending on who you consider top 20.

313 garhighway  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:21:43am

re: #287 albusteve

it confuses me how anyone could vote against the 2nd amendment…that vote should have been 9-0…politics is exactly why four judges voted nay

I guess I missed the day the second amendment came up for a vote.

Unless you are talking about Heller and other similar cases. If so, I continue to think that the phrase “well regulated militia” has meaning in that amendment. I think one way one would regulate a militia is to tell its members that they can only carry certain firearms, so that training and resupply would be simpler.

The second amendment absolutists read those words right out of the amendment, which I think is against the normal rules of statutory and constitutional construction.

314 albusteve  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:21:54am

re: #307 lawhawk

Indeed - there isn’t going to be a serious groundswell of change on the court unless Kennedy retires (or Roberts, Thomas, Alito, or Scalia retire or leave the Court). Kennedy is the swing on many cases, and if Obama gets to pick his replacement, then we’d see a possible shift in the ideological balance on the Court.

Right now, it appears that the justice most likely to leave the Court next would be Ginsberg (poor health), followed by Scalia and Kennedy and Breyer (age 74, 73 and 71 respectively). The other members are in their 50s and 60s and seemingly good health. In other words, barring some unforeseen deaths, the composition of the court is likely to be stable for some years to come.

good news…so why can’t the SC review an immigration bill for it’s legality before it’s voted on?

315 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:22:32am

re: #310 albusteve

Hence the sarc tag.

316 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:23:17am

re: #312 LudwigVanQuixote

With atomics, it’s not just Einstein.

It’s Bohr, Bethe, Rabi, Feynman, Oppenheimer, depending on how you count, Fermi, Levi and a bunch of others.

Any list of the top 20 physicists of that generation will be 1/2 to 3/4 Jewish depending on who you consider top 20.

Darn you Juice anyway, hogging all the good brain cells like that.

(The “Jewish physics” quote was up somewhere in the exhibit.)

(I think the top contribution that the LDS community has given the world was television. Philo T. Farnsworth.)

317 garhighway  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:23:27am

re: #307 lawhawk

Indeed - there isn’t going to be a serious groundswell of change on the court unless Kennedy retires (or Roberts, Thomas, Alito, or Scalia retire or leave the Court). Kennedy is the swing on many cases, and if Obama gets to pick his replacement, then we’d see a possible shift in the ideological balance on the Court.

Right now, it appears that the justice most likely to leave the Court next would be Ginsberg (poor health), followed by Scalia and Kennedy and Breyer (age 74, 73 and 71 respectively). The other members are in their 50s and 60s and seemingly good health. In other words, barring some unforeseen deaths, the composition of the court is likely to be stable for some years to come.

Agree. Right now we basically have a one-man Court: Kennedy wins every time.

318 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:24:36am

re: #309 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yep. Lawhawk pretty much laid it out that, despite all the grandstanding, Kagan being seated on the court won’t change the composition of the court in any significant fashion. All the Congress critters are doing is using these hearings as a soapbox for their own particular talking points. The Republicans to rant against Obama, the Democrats to rant against “Big Business” and conservatism.

I wonder if she’ll follow Souter’s opposition to Heller.

319 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:24:40am

re: #314 albusteve

An issue has to be ripe in order for it to have standing before the court. It also goes to the standing of the parties.

320 albusteve  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:25:04am

re: #317 garhighway

Agree. Right now we basically have a one-man Court: Kennedy wins every time.

it’s good to be King

321 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:26:20am

White House to let McChrystal retire with 4 stars

Washington (CNN) — President Obama has agreed to waive a Pentagon rule and let outgoing Gen. Stanley McChrystal retire at his full four-star rank, a White House spokesman said Tuesday.

While the general is short of the time needed to retire at his current pay grade, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said Obama would ensure he keeps his rank as he steps down.

“The president believes and has talked with Secretary Gates about this, and we will do whatever is necessary to ensure he, somebody who has served the country as he has, can retire at a four-star level,” Gibbs told reporters.

322 albusteve  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:27:34am

re: #319 lawhawk

An issue has to be ripe in order for it to have standing before the court. It also goes to the standing of the parties.

heh…ripeness
it’s always something

323 KingKenrod  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:27:45am

re: #297 Varek Raith

Is there to be no, absolutely no, restrictions to be place upon the 2nd amendment?

The question is one of competing rights. McDonald says you have a right to own a handgun, but not to use it in any manner you choose. People have the right to move freely in public. If carrying a weapon is likely to threaten or disrupt the peace (prevent free movement), the govt has an interest in protecting the public, and the right of the public has to be balanced against the right of a gun owner.

I think the govt can deny public carry rights to people until they can prove they can safely carry a weapon without endangering the public. The weapon has to be one that can sensibly be used for self-defense.

324 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:28:22am

re: #314 albusteve

good news…so why can’t the SC review an immigration bill for it’s legality before it’s voted on?

Because crafting legislation is not among their proscribed duties, and because SCOTUS doesn’t generally act unless the lower courts require guidance. You don’t get to SCOTUS but through appeals, for the most part, and that requires a law to be applied before bringing a case.

325 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:31:24am

re: #323 KingKenrod

The question is one of competing rights. McDonald says you have a right to own a handgun, but not to use it in any manner you choose. People have the right to move freely in public. If carrying a weapon is likely to threaten or disrupt the peace (prevent free movement), the govt has an interest in protecting the public, and the right of the public has to be balanced against the right of a gun owner.

I think the govt can deny public carry rights to people until they can prove they can safely carry a weapon without endangering the public. The weapon has to be one that can sensibly be used for self-defense.

I disagree, somewhat. Just as the government has no right to intercede with you and your children until you abuse those children, you have the right to carry until you have proven yourself untrustworthy*.

*That doesn’t have to involve an incident with a gun. Walking around downtown having conversations with the lamposts qualifies.

I also have no problem with mandating safety classes for concealed carry, although my “safety classes” were conducted by my father when I was eight.

326 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:33:19am

re: #304 Emmmieg

BTW: Here’s my Einstein pet peeve. I’ve read a number of biographies of him, plus his own writings for the lay audience (for example [Link: www.amazon.com…] and his [Link: www.amazon.com…] )

Anyway, by all accounts he was a exceptionally smart kid and a smart adult. From a young age he excelled in foreign languages violin, and piano.

Here’s the problem: there’s a myth that he was a “slow learner”. That he didn’t learn to speak until he was 6 (or whatever, the myth varies). Parents of developmentally disabled kids like to trot out Einstein stories to make themselves feel better. But it simply isn’t true. The only primary reference I could ever find about him being “slow” was a quote that he was “slow to speak” meaning he would carefully consider each thing he said. (I couldn’t find any primary sources “free” on line, but here’s a reliable secondary source—from Richard Rhodes “making of the atomic bomb” [Link: books.google.com…] )

(I hope that this myth doesn’t discourage parents of developmentally disabled kids from getting the special attention they might need. Here’s a website called “Xtian Mommies” that somehow takes comfort in bearing false witness with the made-up fact that Einstein “failed math” [Link: www.christian-mommies.com…] )

327 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:33:20am

re: #317 garhighway

Kennedy: Just don’t call me the swing vote.

328 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:33:54am

re: #325 Emmmieg

I disagree, somewhat. Just as the government has no right to intercede with you and your children until you abuse those children, you have the right to carry until you have proven yourself untrustworthy*.

*That doesn’t have to involve an incident with a gun. Walking around downtown having conversations with the lamposts qualifies.

I also have no problem with mandating safety classes for concealed carry, although my “safety classes” were conducted by my father when I was eight.

The governement can, however, make reasonable distinctions about what you can carry. The right to bear arms is neither unlimited nor without condition.

329 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:36:56am

re: #328 Fozzie Bear

The governement can, however, make reasonable distinctions about what you can carry. The right to bear arms is neither unlimited nor without condition.

I NEED my XQ-318 Interplanetary Atomizer with optional infrared sighting and adjustable grip. Yes, I know it destroys entire buildings, but that really came in handy when those Bug-things took over the UN.*

*The major problem being the inability to tell them from the regular residents.

**Why are aliens always bugs? Seriously, how practically is a giant exoskeleton?

330 albusteve  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:37:11am

re: #327 lawhawk

Kennedy: Just don’t call me the swing vote.

sounds like a decent guy…
. “I don’t swing around the cases. They swing around me.”

331 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:38:51am

re: #326 reuven

I think it would be funny if Einstein’s parents bought “Baby Regular Kids” dvds for him when he was an infant.

332 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:39:45am

re: #326 reuven

BTW: Here’s my Einstein pet peeve. I’ve read a number of biographies of him, plus his own writings for the lay audience (for example [Link: www.amazon.com…] and his [Link: www.amazon.com…] )

Anyway, by all accounts he was a exceptionally smart kid and a smart adult. From a young age he excelled in foreign languages violin, and piano.

Here’s the problem: there’s a myth that he was a “slow learner”. That he didn’t learn to speak until he was 6 (or whatever, the myth varies). Parents of developmentally disabled kids like to trot out Einstein stories to make themselves feel better. But it simply isn’t true. The only primary reference I could ever find about him being “slow” was a quote that he was “slow to speak” meaning he would carefully consider each thing he said. (I couldn’t find any primary sources “free” on line, but here’s a reliable secondary source—from Richard Rhodes “making of the atomic bomb” [Link: books.google.com…] )

(I hope that this myth doesn’t discourage parents of developmentally disabled kids from getting the special attention they might need. Here’s a website called “Xtian Mommies” that somehow takes comfort in bearing false witness with the made-up fact that Einstein “failed math” [Link: www.christian-mommies.com…] )


They had his report card on display. Top marks in math and science. Not so much in languages—not failing, just not top marks.

Although, I will say, my kids all speak late, but do well in school. My cousin didn’t speak until he was 3, and he’s working on a scientific PhD right now at UW. I’m not sure what this has to do with Einstein, except that my oldest used to have Einstein’s hair when she woke up.

333 albusteve  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:39:53am

A BP spokesman declined to comment on the new efforts to raise cash but a person close to the company said BP has raised close to $15 billion through a combination of asset sales and bank lines as of last week, and expects to raise at least $5 billion by the end of this week. Press officials at the four banks would neither confirm nor deny their involvement in the money-raising effort.

BP will need every dime they can get their hands on….personally I see no way they can pay the bills when they come due….the economic suffering is way too massive

[Link: www.foxbusiness.com…]

334 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:40:02am

re: #329 Emmmieg

I don’t question the right to bear arms.

What I do question is the fact that we don’t punish misuse of firearms seriously enough.

If an unsupervised young child gets hold of a parent’s gun, for example, and it’s discharged, the owner of the gun should go away for a long time.

Sadly, most parents don’t, under the “well, they’ve suffered enough” theory. Just do a google search for “shot with parent’s gun” and see for yourself….

335 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:40:58am

Do you all know that Actor/Comedian/Director Albert Brooks is the brother of actor “Super Dave” Einstein? Brooks changed his name for the obvious reason.

336 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:41:03am

re: #331 Mad Al-Jaffee

Disney, the owner of Baby Einstein, settled a number of lawsuits wrt false claims: [Link: www.nytimes.com…]

337 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:42:29am

re: #332 Emmmieg

By age 16, he was speaking several languages. But maybe that was the norm for well-educated Germans at the time….

338 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:43:22am

re: #334 reuven

I don’t question the right to bear arms.

What I do question is the fact that we don’t punish misuse of firearms seriously enough.

If an unsupervised young child gets hold of a parent’s gun, for example, and it’s discharged, the owner of the gun should go away for a long time.

Sadly, most parents don’t, under the “well, they’ve suffered enough” theory. Just do a google search for “shot with parent’s gun” and see for yourself…

Here in Oregon there was a famous case in which a young man was prosecuted for killing his sister*. The parents said that they should have been prosecuted, but the state went after him.

*He said it was an accident, and his subsequent life seems to bear this out.

339 albusteve  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:43:47am

whatever happened with Gitmo and the KLM trial?

340 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:43:57am

re: #337 reuven

By age 16, he was speaking several languages. But maybe that was the norm for well-educated Germans at the time…

Probably. And, also, he was Einstein.

341 albusteve  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:45:36am

re: #332 Emmmieg

They had his report card on display. Top marks in math and science. Not so much in languages—not failing, just not top marks.

Although, I will say, my kids all speak late, but do well in school. My cousin didn’t speak until he was 3, and he’s working on a scientific PhD right now at UW. I’m not sure what this has to do with Einstein, except that my oldest used to have Einstein’s hair when she woke up.

a classic doo…lifted by Jerry Garcia and others

342 darthstar  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:46:21am

re: #341 albusteve

a classic doo…lifted by Jerry Garcia and others

Did someone say Jerry?

343 darthstar  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:48:44am

I have to say, I’m still chuckling over the Sharron Angle interview last night. I can’t wait to hear other Republicans asked if they support her positions on the little things, like her belief that the constitution doesn’t establish a separation of church and state.

344 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:48:47am

Well, it’s time to be a productive member of society! See ya’ll mañana!

/// I’m more motivated after 7/1—when I get to keep the $$$ I earn, instead of giving it to deadbeats/bailouts/bridges to nowhere/interest on national debt, etc.

345 Summer Seale  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:49:40am

re: #209 lawhawk

Gotta disagree - because the Force isn’t magic. It’s a frakking parasitic infection. Or do you just want to ignore the whole midichlorian infestation/infatuation. And even all those midichlorians weren’t enough to watch every last one of the Jedi whacked when they weren’t looking (and quite a few when they were) by nothing more than a bunch of bad ass Jango Fett cloners. Who was left? Yoda and Obi Wan. That’s it. Everyone else was killed. And it doesn’t matter how fast your reaction times are if you’re trying to out run a laser blast in space. If your ship can’t make the turn, it will burn.

Sound reasoning, but you have to present it as a proof (as I did). So A for effort, but F for presentation, young man! =)

You need logical steps. Prove A, then use A to build a case for B. Then finalize with C as a therefore conclusion.

Anyway, everyone knows that if you’re a good enough Jedi (and you darn sure are as the star of the story, as I’ve proved in case A at the onset), then you obviously can swing away from the bast before it cuts across your path because you are sensing it coming from the minds and the environment around you.

Like, so simple. I did my nails typing that. That’s how easy it was…. =)

346 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:50:24am

Ok! One more news story to ponder, from our friends at overlawyered.com

[Link: www.thestar.com…]

(Parents sue when their kids are cut from the team.)

347 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:50:44am

re: #339 albusteve

whatever happened with Gitmo and the KLM trial?

Well, that’s a helluva question…

348 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:51:23am

re: #346 reuven

Ok! One more news story to ponder, from our friends at overlawyered.com

[Link: www.thestar.com…]

(Parents sue when their kids are cut from the team.)

WWI was won on the playing fields of Eton, and the next is being lost in the courtrooms.

349 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:53:06am

re: #346 reuven

Before I even read it, I can tell you that kid is screwed.

350 albusteve  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:53:51am

(CBS/AP) White House advisers are nearing a recommendation for President Obama to choose a military trial for self-professed Sept. 11, 2001 attacks mastermind Khalid Sheik Mohammed and four of his alleged henchman, senior administration officials said Thursday.

The review of where and how to hold a Sept. 11 trial is not over, so no recommendation is yet before the president and Obama has not made a determination of his own, officials said. The review is not likely to be finished this week.

[Link: www.cbsnews.com…]

this is from March….hello! Eric!

351 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:53:57am

re: #346 reuven

Dear Canada,

We would like to apologize for the spread of litigious morons beyond our shores. We really though it was a uniquely American idiocy, and that we had contained the contagion.

Sincerely,
USA

352 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:55:29am

For those NYers out there - your legislature thinks you’re ignorant, foolish, or just plain not paying attention.

I’m sure you’ve been hearing about all the dire cuts that had to be made in this year’s budget.

Well, here’s a few numbers that you can use.

Last year’s fiscal year budget was $131.9 billion (FY 2009-2010).
This year’s fiscal year budget proposed by the Legislature with portions likely to be vetoed by Gov. Paterson: $135.7 billion.

The state is increasing spending by $3.8 billion. $3.8 billion that New York just doesn’t have (and they are billions in deficit from last year, that carried over to the new fiscal year too).

Even if you go by Paterson’s budget numbers, the state budget increases over last year’s bloated disaster (which itself was an increase in spending of more than 8% or $10+ billion from FY 2008-2009). The state keeps spending more than can be reasonably expected to take in. It isn’t reducing spending - and it’s trying to balance the budget again with more tax hikes (cigarettes, wine sales in groceries as per Paterson’s proposal, business taxes, and eliminating sales tax exemptions on clothes).

353 darthstar  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:55:31am

re: #346 reuven

Ok! One more news story to ponder, from our friends at overlawyered.com

[Link: www.thestar.com…]

(Parents sue when their kids are cut from the team.)

Well, that kid is going to get wall-checked a few times.

354 albusteve  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:56:43am

re: #346 reuven

Ok! One more news story to ponder, from our friends at overlawyered.com

[Link: www.thestar.com…]

(Parents sue when their kids are cut from the team.)


“Their direct actions have caused irreparable psychological damage to Daniel Longo’s self esteem as an impressionable teenager and demoralized Daniel as an athlete and team hockey player with his peers

call a waaaabulaaaance!

355 Summer Seale  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:56:58am

re: #211 Varek Raith

I love you.

♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥

356 albusteve  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:58:48am

re: #352 lawhawk

the price of grease has skyrocketed….especially on the coasts

357 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:58:57am

For the record, that kind of shit pisses lawyers off more than anybody. The good ones, anyway.

Your kid not making the cut cause he sucks at hockey is NOT an actionable case. Fucking morons.

358 albusteve  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:00:27am

re: #347 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, that’s a helluva question…

embarrassed by his own advisers it seems…but BO can’t wait forever

359 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:00:33am

re: #354 albusteve

“Their direct actions have caused irreparable psychological damage to Daniel Longo’s self esteem as an impressionable teenager and demoralized Daniel as an athlete and team hockey player with his peers

call a waaabulaaance!

You called?
Image: waaambulance.jpg

360 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:00:35am

re: #346 reuven

Ok! One more news story to ponder, from our friends at overlawyered.com

[Link: www.thestar.com…]

(Parents sue when their kids are cut from the team.)

I bet those Spayshul Snowflakes believe EVERY child deserves a trophy.

361 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:01:01am

re: #357 Fozzie Bear

For the record, that kind of shit pisses lawyers off more than anybody. The good ones, anyway.

Your kid not making the cut cause he sucks at hockey is NOT an actionable case. Fucking morons.

You wanna’ hurt his widdle feewings?

362 Slap  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:01:27am

re: #357 Fozzie Bear

The single greatest cause of problems in youth athletics:

PARENTS.

363 albusteve  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:01:50am

re: #359 Varek Raith

You called?
Image: waaambulance.jpg

heh….there really is one!

364 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:02:07am

re: #352 lawhawk

For those NYers out there - your legislature thinks you’re ignorant, foolish, or just plain not paying attention.

I’m sure you’ve been hearing about all the dire cuts that had to be made in this year’s budget.

Well, here’s a few numbers that you can use.

Last year’s fiscal year budget was $131.9 billion (FY 2009-2010).
This year’s fiscal year budget proposed by the Legislature with portions likely to be vetoed by Gov. Paterson: $135.7 billion.

The state is increasing spending by $3.8 billion. $3.8 billion that New York just doesn’t have (and they are billions in deficit from last year, that carried over to the new fiscal year too).

Even if you go by Paterson’s budget numbers, the state budget increases over last year’s bloated disaster (which itself was an increase in spending of more than 8% or $10+ billion from FY 2008-2009). The state keeps spending more than can be reasonably expected to take in. It isn’t reducing spending - and it’s trying to balance the budget again with more tax hikes (cigarettes, wine sales in groceries as per Paterson’s proposal, business taxes, and eliminating sales tax exemptions on clothes).

TAX DOSE EEEBILLL KORPASHUNS MORE!

365 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:04:16am

Good Afternoon Lizards!
I hope you are all well..
I got word today a friend of mine has brain cancer..They found it late.. He has maybe 3 months to live.. I am reeling from the news

366 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:04:30am

re: #362 Slap

The single greatest cause of problems in youth athletics:

PARENTS.

The only time I’ve inserted myself into the game was when The Kid took a line-drive in the face. I was out on the field in a flash.

Last week he said a decision by the ump “sucked” and the ump heard him. Ump chewed his ass out completely. After the game, I walked up to the ump and thanked him, apologized and told him that that word is forbidden in my house.

367 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:05:30am

re: #359 Varek Raith

You called?
Image: waaambulance.jpg

Oh, I love it.

368 albusteve  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:07:53am

re: #366 MandyManners

The only time I’ve inserted myself into the game was when The Kid took a line-drive in the face. I was out on the field in a flash.

Last week he said a decision by the ump “sucked” and the ump heard him. Ump chewed his ass out completely. After the game, I walked up to the ump and thanked him, apologized and told him that that word is forbidden in my house.

I went through all of that when I was growing up…then repeated the whole gig again with my own kids….my girl was a softballer, and my boy a LLer and school BB player…good times

369 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:11:07am

re: #368 albusteve

I went through all of that when I was growing up…then repeated the whole gig again with my own kids…my girl was a softballer, and my boy a LLer and school BB player…good times

Former cheer-leader here.

370 pharmmajor  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:13:40am

re: #247 Lidane

The 24 Types of Libertarian

Heh.

To paraphrase Linkara, “That comic sucks!”

371 albusteve  Wed, Jun 30, 2010 10:15:47am

re: #369 MandyManners

Former cheer-leader here.

my daughter was editor of the HS paper…also a photographer…she took pictures of the cheer leaders all her senior football season then put them together in a book like thing and gave them to the girls….blew their minds

372 Sacred Plants  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 10:12:21am

And don´t forget to mention that the theory of evaporation is only a theory.


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