Jim DeMint Threatens to Block All Legislation

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Sen. Jim DeMint, another of the GOP’s religious fanatics, is now threatening to hold the US government hostage: Jim DeMint vows roadblock.

South Carolina Sen. Jim DeMint warned Monday evening that he would block all legislation that has not been cleared by his office in the final days of the pre-election session. 

Bret Bernhardt, DeMint’s chief of staff, said in an e-mail to GOP aides that his boss would place a hold on all legislation that has not been cleared by both parties by the end of the day Tuesday. 

Any senator can place a hold to block legislation — and overcoming that would require the Senate to take time-consuming steps to invoke cloture, which would require 60 votes. 

With the Senate slated to adjourn Thursday untiil after the elections, DeMint’s stance could mean trouble for Democrats if the two parties don’t quickly agree on a stopgap spending measure to keep the government operating past Sept. 30. And that could mean the demise of a slew of other stalled and largely noncontroversial bills that both parties are looking to clear before Election Day.

I guess this was in the fine print of the GOP’s Pledge to America: “We pledge that if we don’t get our way, we’ll make sure nobody else does either.”

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91 comments
1 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:08:42am

What a baby. How about you actually propose some ideas DeMint. I imagine the guy probably accused the Dems of being obstructionists in the Bush years and supported the nuclear opition but because Obama is president he feels he can obstruct whatever because Obama is the anti christ.

2 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:09:36am

This is insane. This is basically a declaration that even though the GOP is in the minority, they should control all legislation.

3 mikefromArlington  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:10:42am

Mornin’

Is our Senate beyond repair? Have common people lost control of our Senate or has it become completely overrun by fanatical nihilists intent on tearing our existing Govn’t structure apart at the seams?

I suppose political winds shift in both directions but the corporate money along with these extreme positions sure don’t paint a good picture of our future imho.

4 JeffM70  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:16:15am

I would lover for somebody to ask DeMint from where in the Constitution gets the power to single-handedly shut down the government, he being so reverential over the Constitution and all.

5 iossarian  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:18:38am

Step 1: Prevent government from doing anything.

Step 2: Claim that government is inefficient, and so cannot be trusted with anything.

Rinse, repeat.

6 Claire  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:20:37am

What does “cleared by both parties” mean?

7 pharmmajor  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:20:49am

I repeat once more: the GOP owes America an apology, not a pledge.

8 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:21:29am

Well they are called the party of NO right?

9 Pass The Moonbaticide  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:21:46am

re: #5 iossarian
I believe the Democrats used the same tactic with the GWB administration.
Plenty of blame all round, I fear

10 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:22:17am

I wonder which scenario would drive the GOP more berserk:
1) they regain control of congress after November; or
2) they fail to regain control of congress after November.

11 pharmmajor  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:22:29am

re: #8 dragonfire1981

Well they are called the party of NO right?

Didn’t Lewis Black say that the Republicans are the party of bad ideas and the Democrats are the party of no ideas?

12 iossarian  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:28:52am

re: #9 Pass The Moonbaticide


I believe the Democrats used the same tactic with the GWB administration.
Plenty of blame all round, I fear

This link:

[Link: www.brennancenter.org…]

suggests that there have been far more filibusters since the Democrats took over the Senate. This also does not take into account the procedural delays (e.g., anonymous holds, filibuster threats) which the Republicans are using in addition to the filibuster.

Maybe you can find some articles from a few years back that decry the Democrats’ use of procedure to delay majority-approved legislation?

13 CarleeCork  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:28:55am

OT
I am clueless on how to post a topic, I thought some of you might find this interesting.
[Link: www.politico.com…]
They seem to think Palin is the head of the GOP.

14 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:30:33am

re: #6 Claire

What does “cleared by both parties” mean?

As Charles stated, any member of the senate can theoretically “pocket” a piece of legislation especially if he/she is that committees chairperson..
There are hundreds of pieces of leg per year that never even get out of committees

The old adage of tow things you don’t want to see made, sausages and bills holds true

15 Johnny2Times  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:31:19am

That’s what politics is these days. Jimmy is no better nor any worse than his Democratic counterparts.

16 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:31:25am

re: #6 Claire

re: #14 sattv4u2

As Charles stated, any member of the senate can theoretically “pocket” a piece of legislation especially if he/she is that committees chairperson..
There are hundreds of pieces of leg per year that never even get out of committees

The old adage of tow TWO things you don’t want to see made, sausages and bills holds true


pimf

17 iossarian  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:32:01am

re: #15 Johnny2Times

That’s what politics is these days. Jimmy is no better nor any worse than his Democratic counterparts.

Again, some substantiation in the form of articles decrying the Democrats’ use of procedure to stall legislation would be nice.

18 Johnny2Times  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:32:47am

re: #12 iossarian

This link:

[Link: www.brennancenter.org…]

suggests that there have been far more filibusters since the Democrats took over the Senate. This also does not take into account the procedural delays (e.g., anonymous holds, filibuster threats) which the Republicans are using in addition to the filibuster.

Maybe you can find some articles from a few years back that decry the Democrats’ use of procedure to delay majority-approved legislation?

Yeah, but there’s also the problem that the current administration is one of the most incompetent in history. Hard to say who deserves more of the blame.

19 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:34:34am

re: #18 Johnny2Times

Yeah, but there’s also the problem that the current administration is one of the most incompetent in history. Hard to say who deserves more of the blame.

Are you speaking from the year 3000 or something, with your ‘historical’ perspective on the current administration?

20 iossarian  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:34:40am

re: #18 Johnny2Times

Yeah, but there’s also the problem that the current administration is one of the most incompetent in history. Hard to say who deserves more of the blame.

Thanks for the insightful historical analysis, and the rigorous backing-up of your assertions with facts. /

21 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:34:48am

re: #18 Johnny2Times

Yeah, but there’s also the problem that the current administration is one of the most incompetent in history. Hard to say who deserves more of the blame.

You obviously don’t read a lot of history.

22 Johnny2Times  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:34:54am

re: #17 iossarian

Again, some substantiation in the form of articles decrying the Democrats’ use of procedure to stall legislation would be nice.

If they had had the power, they would have. It silly to think they didn’t for some sort of altruistic or patriotic reason.

23 Johnny2Times  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:36:03am

re: #21 Charles

You obviously don’t read a lot of history.

Heh. Well, all right. But it’s bad enough.

24 darthstar  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:37:10am

Sadly, Jim DeMint is running unopposed this year (well, not counting the unemployed and uneducated Mr. Greene who can’t remember how he was even registered to run for Senate).

25 RogueOne  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:37:41am

re: #24 darthstar

Sadly, Jim DeMint is running unopposed this year (well, not counting the unemployed and uneducated Mr. Greene who can’t remember how he was even registered to run for Senate).

I wish Greene lived in KY.

26 MarkAM  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:38:03am

re: #22 Johnny2Times

They had the power. They simply didn’t behave in anything like the obstructionist manner that the Republicans have since Obama took office.

27 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:38:04am

re: #23 Johnny2Times

Have you ever been registered at LGF with a different name?

28 iossarian  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:39:21am

re: #22 Johnny2Times

If they had had the power, they would have. It silly to think they didn’t for some sort of altruistic or patriotic reason.

Are you saying it’s silly to think that people act for patriotic reasons? Surely that’s not a view that many people on your side of the political spectrum would take very seriously.

29 mm  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:39:59am

Contact information for the Mr. DeMint.

[Link: demint.senate.gov…]

just in case you care to give the good senator a piece of your mind.

30 Johnny2Times  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:40:32am

re: #27 Charles

Have you ever been registered at LGF with a different name?

Nope.

31 Johnny2Times  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:41:49am

re: #26 MarkAM

They had the power. They simply didn’t behave in anything like the obstructionist manner that the Republicans have since Obama took office.

The Dems did not control congress 5 years ago. There’s a difference.

32 Interesting Times  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:41:51am

re: #22 Johnny2Times

If they had had the power, they would have. It silly to think they didn’t for some sort of altruistic or patriotic reason.

If you had had the opportunity, you would have cheated on your wife. It’s silly to think you didn’t for some moral or ethical reason.

/Isn’t the “blind-assertions-without-evidence” game fun?

33 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:42:20am

re: #30 Johnny2Times

Since you aren’t in the US, I’m curious why you’re spouting Tea Party talking points at LGF? Do you have some sort of special interest in this election?

34 Johnny2Times  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:43:04am

re: #32 publicityStunted

If you had had the opportunity, you would have cheated on your wife. It’s silly to think you didn’t for some moral or ethical reason.

/Isn’t the “blind-assertions-without-evidence” game fun?

My point is that you cannot tell if they would have since they couldn’t in any event.

35 wrenchwench  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:43:20am

Magical Balance Fairy is doing some heavy lifting today. I hope she’s got that tutu with the truss built in.

36 Charleston Chew  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:44:08am

I often get the feeling that Republicans think of the US with a Democratic congress and president the way that, in the movie The Searchers (1956), Ethan Edwards (John Wayne) thinks of little Debbie (Natalie Wood) after she’s captured by Comanche. His idea of “restoring” his niece’s “honor” meant killing her.

I don’t mean this as a glib comparison. I really do think that movie understood American conservatives’ psychology both in the 50s and today.

37 Johnny2Times  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:44:15am

re: #33 Charles

Since you aren’t in the US, I’m curious why you’re spouting Tea Party talking points at LGF? Do you have some sort of special interest in this election?

How is not liking the current administration a “tea party talking point”? I don’t remember there being a rule that only Americans were allowed to comment on this sort of thing.

38 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:44:33am

re: #30 Johnny2Times

Nope.

Do you like movies about gladiators!?!?!
/

39 rwdflynavy  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:44:41am

re: #35 wrenchwench

Magical Balance Fairy is doing some heavy lifting today. I hope she’s got that tutu with the truss built in.

Does she have a Marlboro dangling from her lips, cause that’s what the image in my mind looks like?

40 iossarian  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:45:15am

Fact: when the Democrats were in the Senate minority, they used the filibuster far less than the Republicans are currently using it. They also did not make the same use of non-filibuster delaying tactics that we are seeing at the moment.

I’m not particularly interested in why they did or didn’t do anything, I’m just interested in facts.

It’s that liberal bias thing again!

41 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:45:45am

re: #36 Charleston Chew

I often get the feeling that Republicans think of the US with a Democratic congress and president the way that, in the movie The Searchers (1956), Ethan Edwards (John Wayne) thinks of little Debbie (Natalie Wood) after she’s captured by Comanche. His idea of “restoring” his niece’s “honor” meant killing her.

I don’t mean this as a glib comparison. I really do think that movie understood American conservatives’ psychology both in the 50s and today.


I wouldn’t say that. I think they’re just hypocritical partisan assholes who hate everything Obama does and Demint’s latest hissy fit is a good example of this.

42 reine.de.tout  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:46:03am

re: #39 rwdflynavy

Does she have a Marlboro dangling from her lips, cause that’s what the image in my mind looks like?

No.
That’s me.

43 rwdflynavy  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:46:19am

re: #40 iossarian

Fact: when the Democrats were in the Senate minority, they used the filibuster far less than the Republicans are currently using it. They also did not make the same use of non-filibuster delaying tactics that we are seeing at the moment.

I’m not particularly interested in why they did or didn’t do anything, I’m just interested in facts.

It’s that liberal bias thing again!

Regardless of the party, I’d just like to see “real” filibustering. If you aren’t willing to stay up for days reading the phone book it shouldn’t count.

44 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:46:48am

A and MEN!

45 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:47:09am

re: #40 iossarian

Fact: when the Democrats were in the Senate minority, they used the filibuster far less than the Republicans are currently using it. They also did not make the same use of non-filibuster delaying tactics that we are seeing at the moment.

I’m not particularly interested in why they did or didn’t do anything, I’m just interested in facts.

It’s that liberal bias thing again!

Yet despite that the Republicans tried to institute the nuclear opition. Can you imagine how the Senate republicans and the tea partiers would react if the Senate Dems tried that? We’d be hearing more about how Obama is a dictator from them.

46 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:47:14am

re: #44 sattv4u2

A and MEN!

SEXIST!!! //

47 rwdflynavy  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:47:50am

re: #42 reine.de.tout

No.
That’s me.


*rimshot*

48 wrenchwench  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:48:03am

re: #43 rwdflynavy

Regardless of the party, I’d just like to see “real” filibustering. If you aren’t willing to stay up for days reading the phone book it shouldn’t count.

Yes. Obstructionism has its place, and it shouldn’t be on a whim or used as a broad brush.

49 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:48:06am

re: #46 DaddyG

SEXIST!!! //

Why yes ,, yes I am !!

I LOVE sex!

50 Johnny2Times  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:48:21am

re: #38 sattv4u2

Do you like movies about gladiators!?!?!
/

Actually, yes. Though I wasn’t a huge fan of the actual movie “Gladiator.” I liked Spartacus.

51 wrenchwench  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:48:42am

re: #42 reine.de.tout

No.
That’s me.

The tutu too? Or just the Marlboro?

52 rwdflynavy  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:49:24am

re: #51 wrenchwench

The tutu too? Or just the Marlboro?

or the truss?

53 reine.de.tout  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:49:49am

re: #51 wrenchwench

The tutu too? Or just the Marlboro?

Just the marlboro.
Though I can grab a tutu if you wish.
Suggest not, though.
hehehehe.

54 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:51:12am

re: #50 Johnny2Times

Actually, yes. Though I wasn’t a huge fan of the actual movie “Gladiator.” I liked Spartacus.

Missed ,, by THAT much

Go watch “Airplane” and come back with a report
[Link: www.google.com…]

55 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:51:36am

re: #53 reine.de.tout

Just the marlboro.
Though I can grab a tutu if you wish.
Suggest not, though.
hehehehe.

Whose TuTu are you grabbing now !?!?!

56 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:52:14am
57 rwdflynavy  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:52:38am

re: #52 rwdflynavy

or the truss?

The word truss reminds me of the old Dan Akroyd SNL bit, Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute!

58 Johnny2Times  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:52:49am

re: #54 sattv4u2

Missed ,, by THAT much

Go watch “Airplane” and come back with a report
[Link: www.google.com…]

I got the reference the first time.

And stop calling me Shirley.

59 SteveMcGazi  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:55:48am

It’s amazing to me that after stuff like this and especially the W administration, independents still don’t get the message that Republicans can’t be trusted with anything.

60 MarkAM  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:58:43am

re: #31 Johnny2Times

The Dems did not control congress 5 years ago. There’s a difference.

What’s the difference? When the Democrats were in the minority, they weren’t nearly as obstructionist. That’s a simple fact.

61 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:58:58am

re: #18 Johnny2Times

Wow, are you like, a time traveler from the future?

62 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:59:46am

re: #56 lawhawk

OT: NYC Metro area under a tornado watch until 6pm EDT.

That could really blow.

63 Coracle  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 10:00:20am

For all the good it did, I called DeMint’s office and said what he was doing was reprehensible.

64 wrenchwench  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 10:01:53am

re: #63 Coracle

For all the good it did, I called DeMint’s office and said what he was doing was reprehensible.

Better to light one candle…it might be under someone’s butt….

65 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 10:04:56am

re: #64 wrenchwench

Better to light one candle…it might be under someone’s butt…

OUCH ,, why is my ass hot?!?!

66 Johnny2Times  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 10:05:09am

re: #61 Alouette

Wow, are you like, a time traveler from the future?

Shhh…

67 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 10:05:55am

re: #59 stevemcg

It’s amazing to me that after stuff like this and especially the W administration, independents still don’t get the message that Republicans can’t be trusted with anything.

re: #60 MarkAM

What’s the difference? When the Democrats were in the minority, they weren’t nearly as obstructionist. That’s a simple fact.


This is the dilemna that voters face. It is difficult to inspire trust by being the party that is misbehaving to a lesser degree. Right now the GOP is misbehaving to the degree they thing anti-incumbant sentiment will cover their tantrums. Which right now is a lot of coverage and a lot of misbehavior.

The Dems on the other hand acted like 51% of the electorate was a mandate to force their full agenda regardless of public input or sentiment.

I don’t believe that this means the Republicans have been secretly plotting to screw America since the 1960s any more than I believe that President Obama is a communist plant.

Politicians by their very nature are opportunists and panderers and we have rewarded this behavior.

Both parties are paying the price in popularity - but the populace is paying the most for our short sighted thinking and lack of participation during elections. The only way to reverse the political polarization and idiocy is by getting involved at a grassroots level and rewarding true statesmanship and good governance with re-election.

68 Johnny2Times  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 10:09:16am

re: #67 DaddyG

re: #60 MarkAM The only way to reverse the political polarization and idiocy is by getting involved at a grassroots level and rewarding true statesmanship and good governance with re-election.

I can’t resist… the tea party?

69 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 10:16:11am

re: #68 Johnny2Times

I can’t resist… the tea party?

Heh. No.

Serve on the city council. Work on a county or state board. Support a decent candidate for local office. Champion a good piece of legislation, etc.

Political protests without the willingness to serve to solve problems are pretty much a waste of time. (The civil rights protests not withstanding - they served an actual function of turning the American populace’s attention to a terrible injustice).

70 MarkAM  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 10:19:57am

re: #67 DaddyG

re: #60 MarkAM

This is the dilemna that voters face. It is difficult to inspire trust by being the party that is misbehaving to a lesser degree. Right now the GOP is misbehaving to the degree they thing anti-incumbant sentiment will cover their tantrums. Which right now is a lot of coverage and a lot of misbehavior.

The Dems on the other hand acted like 51% of the electorate was a mandate to force their full agenda regardless of public input or sentiment.

I don’t believe that this means the Republicans have been secretly plotting to screw America since the 1960s any more than I believe that President Obama is a communist plant.

Politicians by their very nature are opportunists and panderers and we have rewarded this behavior.

Both parties are paying the price in popularity - but the populace is paying the most for our short sighted thinking and lack of participation during elections. The only way to reverse the political polarization and idiocy is by getting involved at a grassroots level and rewarding true statesmanship and good governance with re-election.

51% of the electorate? Seems to me that W and the Republicans acted as if that kind of margin were a mandate. Remember “political capital?”

Obama actually had one, closer to 53% and one of the larger popular majorities in recent years, not to mention control of both houses by a substantial margin.

I’m on the far left of the Democratic party and am very disappointed in their behavior, but to claim they didn’t have a mandate, whether or not they squandered it, is simply false.

71 sagehen  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 10:23:42am

re: #62 DaddyG

That could really blow.

And suck.

(and not in the good way…)

72 Blue Point  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 10:25:01am

Hey, Jim, we’re all in favor of smaller government, but that doesn’t mean you shrink your brain. Whoops! Too late.

73 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 10:25:40am

re: #67 DaddyG

re: #60 MarkAM


This is the dilemna that voters face. It is difficult to inspire trust by being the party that is misbehaving to a lesser degree. Right now the GOP is misbehaving to the degree they thing anti-incumbant sentiment will cover their tantrums. Which right now is a lot of coverage and a lot of misbehavior.

The Dems on the other hand acted like 51% of the electorate was a mandate to force their full agenda regardless of public input or sentiment.

I don’t believe that this means the Republicans have been secretly plotting to screw America since the 1960s any more than I believe that President Obama is a communist plant.

Politicians by their very nature are opportunists and panderers and we have rewarded this behavior.

Both parties are paying the price in popularity - but the populace is paying the most for our short sighted thinking and lack of participation during elections. The only way to reverse the political polarization and idiocy is by getting involved at a grassroots level and rewarding true statesmanship and good governance with re-election.

You’re dead on point that America is paying the price for obstructionism, but right now the Republicans are convinced that the end justifies the means. And there is still a cadre of Republicans who would work within the system, but right now there’s a large chunk of Republicans who are convinced the way to ‘win’ is to do their level best to not let Obama have any success. Unfortunately, they’re willing to work against any economic recoveries to deny Obama any wins.

The problem here is that both parties aren’t paying a price; at least not an equal price. The problem is that the Republican party is being rewarded for gaming the system to a degree that America hasn’t seen in a very long time.

74 sagehen  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 10:27:38am

re: #70 MarkAM

51% of the electorate? Seems to me that W and the Republicans acted as if that kind of margin were a mandate. Remember “political capital?”

Obama actually had one, closer to 53% and one of the larger popular majorities in recent years, not to mention control of both houses by a substantial margin.

I’m on the far left of the Democratic party and am very disappointed in their behavior, but to claim they didn’t have a mandate, whether or not they squandered it, is simply false.

You forgot to mention, 364 electoral votes (to McCains 173 — and that 173 came mostly from sparsely populated states with disproportionate overrepresentation.

75 reidr  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 10:51:58am

re: #67 DaddyG


The Dems on the other hand acted like 51% of the electorate was a mandate to force their full agenda regardless of public input or sentiment.

This seems overblown. When does governing and legislation become “force their full agenda”? The fact that so many liberals are disappointed that the Democrats haven’t even tried in some cases to start from a liberal position (such as single payer health care) surely suggests that they haven’t been imposing an extreme agenda. I’m also not sure where you’re getting the complaint about public input or sentiment.

76 celticdragon  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 10:54:53am

re: #18 Johnny2Times

Yeah, but there’s also the problem that the current administration is one of the most incompetent in history. Hard to say who deserves more of the blame.

The magical balance faerie is working overtime today.

77 celticdragon  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 10:58:19am

re: #59 stevemcg

It’s amazing to me that after stuff like this and especially the W administration, independents still don’t get the message that Republicans can’t be trusted with anything.

An ignorant and marginally informed electorate is a terrible thing to waste.

///

78 ClaudeMonet  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 11:04:32am

re: #10 negativ

I wonder which scenario would drive the GOP more berserk:
1) they regain control of congress after November; or
2) they fail to regain control of congress after November.

Yes.

BTW, clever wording there—“more berserk”.

If they are smart, they’ll hope for gains in both houses and majorities in neither. However, it’s clear that they’re not smart.

79 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 11:09:05am

re: #73 bloodstar

The problem here is that both parties aren’t paying a price; at least not an equal price. The problem is that the Republican party is being rewarded for gaming the system to a degree that America hasn’t seen in a very long time.

The GOP is benefiting from midterm election traditional dissatisfaction with the incumbant party in addition to dissatisfaction about the economy. What troubles me is that they seem to believe (as a party) that their shift to the socon side is judtified because of their perceived popularity. In reality they are benefitting from the times.

There are a lot of disenfrnachised voters out there and neither party is really listening to their constituents.

80 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 11:12:05am

re: #75 reidr

This seems overblown. When does governing and legislation become “force their full agenda”? The fact that so many liberals are disappointed that the Democrats haven’t even tried in some cases to start from a liberal position (such as single payer health care) surely suggests that they haven’t been imposing an extreme agenda. I’m also not sure where you’re getting the complaint about public input or sentiment.

I contend they tried to take on too much too fast without listening to their constituents concerns. The town hall backlash and the tea parties are part of the reaction to that. Had the Dems built a case in stead of assuming the benefits of their plans were evident they would have had an easier time enacting the legislation.

There is a large dose of arrogance on the part of both major political parties and the Dems are not immune from it.

81 Enlino  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 11:18:56am

re: #80 DaddyG

I contend they tried to take on too much too fast without listening to their constituents concerns. The town hall backlash and the tea parties are part of the reaction to that. Had the Dems built a case in stead of assuming the benefits of their plans were evident they would have had an easier time enacting the legislation.

There is a large dose of arrogance on the part of both major political parties and the Dems are not immune from it.

But weren’t the town hall backlash and the tea parties caused almost entirely by the same people who think Obama’s a terrorist? What “constituent concerns” were ignored? I think it’s been pretty well established by now that the democrats’ problem is not having a spine, not arrogance.

82 reidr  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 11:22:53am

re: #80 DaddyG

I contend they tried to take on too much too fast without listening to their constituents concerns. The town hall backlash and the tea parties are part of the reaction to that. Had the Dems built a case in stead of assuming the benefits of their plans were evident they would have had an easier time enacting the legislation.

There is a large dose of arrogance on the part of both major political parties and the Dems are not immune from it.

I suppose you may be right to some degree about the Democrats not selling their ideas well enough, but I’d say the town hall backlash and tea parties would have happened no matter what the Democrats had done. It’s not like those people were motivated by misunderstandings of Democratic plans.

I still think your original statement was way overstated, as if the Democrats were running roughshod implementing radical progressive legislation. It hasn’t been like that at all. It also sounded like the “balance fairy” had visited your fingers….

83 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 11:51:31am

re: #81 Enlino

re: #82 reidr

The Tea Party protestors are more diverse than the Tea Party organizers. I still think they are somewhat misguided and being led down a fools path but there were and are real concerns that the current administration has commited us to large government progressive programs that we cannot afford to pay for in several generations. Those fears are real and the administration in cooperation with the House and Senate were tone deaf to those concerns.

I think the Democrats were coy during the election about how progressive they were (which is a normal part of running towards the center during the general elections.)

As far as the magical balance fairy, ummmmmm no.

I’m not coming close to saying the Democrats are acting as badly as the GOP right now. The GOP has risen to a new level of reactionary and stupid. The zeitgeist of LGF has moved decidedly to the center left (or perahps has stayed in place while the blogosphere has lurched right) - I just don’t buy the narrative that the Democrats have been honest and forthright above the board statesmen. The polarization of the political parties and their abuse of the legislative process goes back many, many administrations.

84 MarkAM  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 12:11:33pm

re: #83 DaddyG

re: #82 reidr

The Tea Party protestors are more diverse than the Tea Party organizers. I still think they are somewhat misguided and being led down a fools path but there were and are real concerns that the current administration has commited us to large government progressive programs that we cannot afford to pay for in several generations. Those fears are real and the administration in cooperation with the House and Senate were tone deaf to those concerns.

I think the Democrats were coy during the election about how progressive they were (which is a normal part of running towards the center during the general elections.)

As far as the magical balance fairy, ummm no.

I’m not coming close to saying the Democrats are acting as badly as the GOP right now. The GOP has risen to a new level of reactionary and stupid. The zeitgeist of LGF has moved decidedly to the center left (or perahps has stayed in place while the blogosphere has lurched right) - I just don’t buy the narrative that the Democrats have been honest and forthright above the board statesmen. The polarization of the political parties and their abuse of the legislative process goes back many, many administrations.

Progressive Democrats would (probably unanimously and vehemently) disagree with your suggestion that the party ran to the center so it could govern progressively. For goodness sake, the health care proposal is very similar to the one implemented by Romney in Massachusetts and advocated by Dole in 1996. Any truly progressive plan would have included single payer. If the administration and by extension the party were truly progressive, you wouldn’t see the widespread disenchantment (even fury in some quarters) with Obama and the party among liberals, and Obama and Biden would not be in the position of repeatedly dissing the base, as has been happening since almost day 1. I’m sorry, but the Democratic Party is in no way progressive; it’s merely the lesser of two (corporate controlled) evils at this point.

85 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 12:13:08pm

MarkAM, Enlino and Reidr

Good points.

Just so you know… I’m not trying to dump on an old thread. I’ve got to go apply both sides of my brain to a work problem.

Thanks for the dialogue!

BBL

86 Gus  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 12:14:14pm

Yeah, you tell ‘em Mr. DeMint. Must be pretty frustrating after blocking almost piece of Democratic legislation since 2008. We’re all pretty excited for when you and you’re cronies get back into power to pass legislation that hinders the right to abortions; censors film, radio, and television; favors strip mining companies; hinders or blocks freedom for gays; favors multinational corporations; favors big banks; favors credit card companies; chips away at worker rights and overtime pay; and so on.

/

87 Nick Schroeder  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 12:30:56pm

So what? They’re already doing this with their 40 seat supermajority. Something tells me the Democrats are so spineless and dispassionate, one solitary Republican senator would easily be able to filibuster 99 Democrats. At least, the current crop of Democrats are doing a good job of making it look that easy.

88 RogueOne  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 12:52:09pm

re: #40 iossarian

Fact: when the Democrats were in the Senate minority, they used the filibuster far less than the Republicans are currently using it. They also did not make the same use of non-filibuster delaying tactics that we are seeing at the moment.

I’m not particularly interested in why they did or didn’t do anything, I’m just interested in facts.

It’s that liberal bias thing again!

Citation? and if you say media matters I’ll have a brain hemorrhage.

89 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 1:07:36pm

re: #88 RogueOne

[Link: www.prnewswire.com…]

90 RogueOne  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 1:27:57pm

re: #89 Obdicut


SOURCE Campaign for America’s Future

I’m certain their numbers will add up./

I’m in an exceptional mood today so I’ll take their word for it.

91 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 1:43:32pm

re: #90 RogueOne

Well, it’s a pretty well-known fact that’s been reported in about a thousand different places. Feel free to check up on it yourself, if you doubt it.

I have no idea why you don’t already know it.

Here:
[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com…]

[Link: www.acslaw.org…]


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