'Revolution Muslim' Founder Changes Tune

‘Revolution Muslim’ Founder Changes Tune

US NewsDecember 2010 • Views: 25,306

Joseph Cohen, a Jewish convert to Islam who goes by the name “Yousef al-Khattab,” has been the subject of several LGF posts starting in July 2002. He’s the founder of the radical “Revolution Muslim” website, an openly pro-terrorist site that encouraged Muslims to become jihadis, and has been linked to several recent cases in which they did exactly that.

Here’s a photo of al-Khattab that we posted in 2007, when he attended a demonstration at Columbia University:

So today it’s slightly surprising to discover that al-Khattab is suddenly changing his tune.

The surprise vanishes, though, when you realize he’s terrified of going to jail or being forced to flee the country, after those recent home-grown jihad cases.

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197 comments

jamesfirecat Thu, Dec 9, 2010 12:52:33pm

Well I’m just happy for the changed tune regardless, this was that a**hole who Jon Stewart did the second f*** you chorus to wasn’t it?

sliv_the_eli Thu, Dec 9, 2010 12:53:31pm

If anyone believes al-Khattab is actually changing his tune, as opposed to spouting what he believes the useful idiots in the media want to hear in order to report that he is changing his tune, please contact me for a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity (at least before global warming sufficiently raises the sea levels) to purchase prime ocean-front property in Kansas.

elizajane Thu, Dec 9, 2010 12:54:16pm

He’d better think of some “friends” to turn in and get himself into a witness protection program.
Not that he wouldn’t deserve whatever’s coming to him, mind you.

Randall Gross Thu, Dec 9, 2010 12:57:56pm

This reminds me of how all of the most outspoken critics of the US in Pakistan [outside of AQAM that is…] still want to be sure they can send their kids to college here.

Obdicut Thu, Dec 9, 2010 12:58:11pm

Not so fun anymore, is it, jerk?

What an ass.

Kragar Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:05:54pm

Tobias Funke, what is your take on this news?

Youtube Video

Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:09:11pm

Kudos to CNN for not letting him slide. In the past the MSM would have tried to hold him up as an example of a moderate Muslim.

NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:09:27pm

I believe him like I believe the world is flat.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:09:37pm

They want to live in America, yet are seemingly clueless about what makes this country so wonderful to live in.

Sigh.

Gus Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:10:15pm

re: #1 jamesfirecat

Well I’m just happy for the changed tune regardless, this was that a**hole who Jon Stewart did the second f*** you chorus to wasn’t it?

Comedy Central Video

Start at around 9:00. Unfortunately they block out the “fuck” word. Stupid censors.

Fozzie Bear Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:11:19pm

I hope his beard catches fire. What a colossal asshole.

shutdown Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:12:00pm

Damn, some people just piss me off. If you are going to post on these pages, you have to be willing to take criticism without resorting to condescension.

Rant complete.

shutdown Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:13:51pm

re: #11 Fozzie Bear

I hope his beard catches fire. What a colossal asshole.

That’s what happens when you “open the gates of hell”, or whatever it is the jihadis are always threatening to do.

You claim that Jerusalem is Jewish? I will open the gates of hell!!!!
You come to my tribal lands to battle me? I will open the gates of hell!!!
You bring me my espresso without a twist of lemon? I will open the gates of hell!!!

Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:14:10pm

re: #8 NJDhockeyfan

I believe him like I believe the world is flat.

Who are you going to believe? Alan Shephard, or the lying eyes of every person who lives in Kansas?

Gus Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:14:22pm

re: #12 imp_62

Damn, some people just piss me off. If you are going to post on these pages, you have to be willing to take criticism without resorting to condescension.

Rant complete.

Just to clarify you’re talking about the LGF Page.

shutdown Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:14:49pm

re: #15 Gus 802

Just to clarify you’re talking about the LGF Page.

Umm yeah. Sorry; just letting off steam.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:14:51pm

re: #12 imp_62

Damn, some people just piss me off. If you are going to post on these pages, you have to be willing to take criticism without resorting to condescension.

Rant complete.

Sure, Imp, we understand. You just take your nice crayons over there and color us a pretty picture, okay?

Mwahahahaha

shutdown Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:15:35pm

re: #17 EmmmieG

Sure, Imp, we understand. You just take your nice crayons over there and color us a pretty picture, okay?

Mwahahahaha

I ated the crayons. Now what? O_o

Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:16:41pm

re: #18 imp_62

I ated the crayons. Now what? O_o

Origami? (If you ate the crayons, that’s all that’s left.)

Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:16:46pm

Senate kills bringing DADT repeal up for vote.

What, me worry? Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:18:10pm

He compares it to Helter Skeltor? Oh please, the book was written by Bugliosi, the attorney who prosecuted Manson and in no way promoted the Manson Family. The exact opposite in fact.

What a slime ball.

sliv_the_eli Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:18:19pm

re: #4 Thanos

This reminds me of how all of the most outspoken critics of the US in Pakistan [outside of AQAM that is…] still want to be sure they can send their kids to college here.

Which leads to the obvious question: If this asshole manages to procreate, where will he choose to send his kids to school? At a madrassa in northwest Pakistan or Columbia U. (and, yes, there is a difference, although one might not always notice)?

jamesfirecat Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:19:05pm

re: #20 Dreggas

Senate kills bringing DADT repeal up for vote.

F***…

I can only hope t hings change if we do the taxes first and then stay an extra week….

Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:19:58pm

re: #23 jamesfirecat

Break down of vites here

Reid was punk’d, surprise surprise.

Obdicut Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:19:59pm

re: #20 Dreggas

What assholes. What unrepentant assholes.

Obama just offered them an enormous compromise, and they’re still blocking legislation. Fuckers.

reine.de.tout Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:21:38pm

re: #25 Obdicut

What assholes. What unrepentant assholes.

Obama just offered them an enormous compromise, and they’re still blocking legislation. Fuckers.

Yeah but the Dems rejected the President’s plan:

House Democrats voted Thursday to reject President Barack Obama’s tax deal with Republicans in its current form, but it was unclear how significantly the package might need to be changed.

Obdicut Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:21:41pm

Sen. Scott Brown (R-Mass.) said he supports repeal, but he voted for the filibuster.
Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) said she supports repeal, but she voted for the filibuster.

Sens. Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) and John Ensign (R-Nev.) said they were prepared he’d consider repeal, but they both voted for the filibuster.

Why? Why not just vote on it?

I cannot believe the GOP has the stones to ever accuse the Democrats of ‘procedural games’ when they’re pulling shit like this.

Obdicut Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:22:01pm

re: #26 reine.de.tout

Doesn’t matter. It’d still pass.

shutdown Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:22:13pm

re: #20 Dreggas

Senate kills bringing DADT repeal up for vote.

It’s going to be a long few years. But the more craziness that is squeezed from the right in this cycle, the better off we will be in the long term (I repeat this like a mantra now).

NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:22:26pm

Yousef al-Khattab’s profile:

Yousef al-Khattab

* Gender: Male
* Occupation: Germ Killer

Germ killer?

shutdown Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:22:58pm

re: #30 NJDhockeyfan

Yousef al-Khattab’s profile:

Germ killer?

Don’t ask.

jamesfirecat Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:23:27pm

re: #24 Dreggas

Break down of vites here

Reid was punk’d, surprise surprise.

Wow… you know if those 3 R’s who say the “support’ DADT would just vote to let people vote on it, it would have passed.

Excuse me while I RAGE

Kragar Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:23:32pm

re: #30 NJDhockeyfan

Yousef al-Khattab’s profile:

Germ killer?

Guess who the germs are.

shutdown Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:23:59pm

re: #27 Obdicut

Why? Why not just vote on it?

I cannot believe the GOP has the stones to ever accuse the Democrats of ‘procedural games’ when they’re pulling shit like this.

With all the Tea Bag lunacy you have lost sight of the fact that most politicians are egocentric asshats.

Obdicut Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:24:17pm

This is just the GOP dumping the issue on the courts so they don’t have to be caught voting on it.

Shirking responsibilities.

harrylook Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:24:59pm

re: #2 sliv_the_eli

exactly - I fail to see evidence of a new tune. anyway, what a brave little jihadi. not. [spit]

jamesfirecat Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:25:03pm

re: #29 imp_62

It’s going to be a long few years. But the more craziness that is squeezed from the right in this cycle, the better off we will be in the long term (I repeat this like a mantra now).

That still doesn’t justify the continuation of a minority getting treated like second class citizens for something they can’t control.

Besides the Democrats already have way more political ammunition then they could ever need if they just started to use it…

What, me worry? Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:25:34pm

re: #27 Obdicut

Why? Why not just vote on it?

I cannot believe the GOP has the stones to ever accuse the Democrats of ‘procedural games’ when they’re pulling shit like this.

I can somewhat understand the Republicans voting against it. They don’t want their constituents to think they like gay people, but the vote was 57 to 40 with a Dem majority in the Senate, yes? Are there other things in this bill they are voting no to?

NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:25:50pm

re: #31 imp_62

Don’t ask.

He has a link to Radio Al-Aqsa Live Radio on his website. Nothing is more satisfying than to listen to terrorist spewing hate on the radio, right?

NJDhockeyfan Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:26:31pm

re: #33 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Guess who the germs are.

It must be those Zionist germs!

recusancy Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:26:59pm

re: #24 Dreggas

Break down of vites here

Reid was punk’d, surprise surprise.

“The final vote was 57 to 40, with 57 senators in support and 40 in opposition. Because the Senate is ridiculous, a 57-member tripartisan majority loses, and a 40-member minority wins.”

This really is getting stupid.

Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:27:13pm

re: #32 jamesfirecat

Yep, that’s what gets me. They say they support repeal but refuse to even let it come to a vote.

Let’s face it when Rush said he wanted Obama to fail that was the marching orders to the republican party and regardless of who gets hurt they are intent on seeing it happen.

Country first my ass.

jamesfirecat Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:27:20pm

re: #38 marjoriemoon

I can somewhat understand the Republicans voting against it. They don’t want their constituents to think they like gay people, but the vote was 57 to 40 with a Dem majority in the Senate, yes? Are there other things in this bill they are voting no to?

Even the majority of Republicans are okay with repealing DADT.

///I guess the base figures anything that makes it easier for Gay people to die is okay with them…

Kragar Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:27:53pm

re: #40 NJDhockeyfan

It must be those Zionist germs!

Got it in one.

sliv_the_eli Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:28:04pm

re: #20 Dreggas

Senate kills bringing DADT repeal up for vote.

Morons. Do they not realize that they are inviting some court somewhere — judges do read the papers, after all — to conclude that Congress will not get around to doing the right thing on its own and to then “legislate from the bench”? Of course, they will complain about that when it happens, too. In the meantime, patriotic gay-Americans (thank, Gov. McGreevey) who are willing to lay their lives on the line to serve this country and defend the Constitution will continue to be unconstitutionally and, more importantly, immorally denied the right to do so.

KingKenrod Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:28:05pm

re: #38 marjoriemoon

I can somewhat understand the Republicans voting against it. They don’t want their constituents to think they like gay people, but the vote was 57 to 40 with a Dem majority in the Senate, yes? Are there other things in this bill they are voting no to?

I think they are voting no because of a GOP pledge to filibuster anything except the tax bill. Once the tax bill is done, I think this will pass. But the House has to act on the tax bill first.

Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:28:40pm

re: #38 marjoriemoon

I can somewhat understand the Republicans voting against it. They don’t want their constituents to think they like gay people, but the vote was 57 to 40 with a Dem majority in the Senate, yes? Are there other things in this bill they are voting no to?

It was the defense authorization bill that would fund the troops in Afghanistan/Iraq and the military in general. It included DADT repeal.

In other words “Why do republicans hate the troops?”

shutdown Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:29:18pm

re: #37 jamesfirecat

That still doesn’t justify the continuation of a minority getting treated like second class citizens for something they can’t control.

Besides the Democrats already have way more political ammunition then they could ever need if they just started to use it…

I think the view that Democrats are somehow more noble and altruistic in their politics than Republicans is too simplistic. Their political goals and philosophy may fall in line with those distinctions, but as individual politicians, I am convinced most all of them are just jostling for position at the public trough. Sorry to be so jaded.

Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:29:52pm

re: #46 KingKenrod

If that’s the case they are being even more ridiculous. They’re approaching “Hold my breath until I get my way” territory.

What, me worry? Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:30:19pm

re: #43 jamesfirecat

Even the majority of Republicans are okay with repealing DADT.

I wasn’t aware of that.

I think Obdi got it. They want it to be decided in the courts. They’re too wimpy to make the decision.

They’ve politicized themselves to death - to the point where they can’t vote FOR THE PEOPLE anymore. It’s all about talking points and getting re-elected.

The majority of the U.S. wants DADT repealed.

The majority of the U.S. wants the rich to pay their share in taxes.

The minority of the Congress are seriously f*cked up.

Gus Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:30:54pm

Fire in the hole!

[Plunk]

Walter L. Newton Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:31:01pm

re: #43 jamesfirecat

Even the majority of Republicans are okay with repealing DADT.

///I guess the base figures anything that makes it easier for Gay people to die is okay with them…

So, you’re saying that because I am in favor of repealing DADT and I would like to see gay marriages legal, that means that the real reason that I support gay rights the way I do is because I want to see gay people die faster.

Fuck off… idiot.

shutdown Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:31:03pm

Killgore, if you are here: thanks for commenting on that thread. It was frustrating to get that treatment.

jamesfirecat Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:33:48pm

re: #52 Walter L. Newton

So, you’re saying that because I am in favor of repealing DADT and I would like to see gay marriages legal, that means that the real reason that I support gay rights the way I do is because I want to see gay people die faster.

Fuck off… idiot.

I was being sarcastic on that explanation. (hence the tags)

The reason I really think most Republicans favor DADT repeal is the same reason most Democrats do, because they see it as a clear violation of our principle that all men are created equal…

shutdown Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:34:02pm

Hey, Walter - when do you leave for vaca?

Walter L. Newton Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:35:05pm

re: #55 imp_62

Hey, Walter - when do you leave for vaca?

Jan 14th through Jan 24th 2011.

Gus Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:35:36pm

re: #55 imp_62

Hey, Walter - when do you leave for vaca?

Walter is going to a cow?

Walter L. Newton Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:35:49pm

re: #54 jamesfirecat

I was being sarcastic on that explanation. (hence the tags)

The reason I really think most Republicans favor DADT repeal is the same reason most Democrats do, because they see it as a clear violation of our principle that all men are created equal…

And I wasn’t… hence the fuck off.

Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:35:52pm

re: #53 imp_62

Killgore, if you are here: thanks for commenting on that thread. It was frustrating to get that treatment.

Yeah, He was being a dick about it. He’s also horribly wrong about wikileaks and Anonymous.
My family served in the State Dept my entire life and my father lost his life in the line of duty. I find it reprehensible to see people voicing support for espionage. It’s dangerously stupid.

sliv_the_eli Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:36:20pm

re: #36 harrylook

Like all the other post-adolescents overpopulating American universities who confuse their psychological desire to rebel against their parents’ financial success or Middle Class values by mindlessly adopting the underdog of the day. Fortunately for the world, once they graduate and find jobs, most of them cut their hair, shave, shower and learn that the world is not so black-and-white and that the underdog is not necessarily right just because he/she/they/it is portrayed as an underdog.

jamesfirecat Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:36:43pm

re: #58 Walter L. Newton

And I wasn’t… hence the fuck off.

Well then, thank you sir may I have another?

shutdown Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:37:16pm

re: #57 Gus 802

Walter is going to a cow?

//

That would be vacca :)

Walter L. Newton Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:37:47pm

re: #57 Gus 802

Walter is going to a cow?

//

I thought the same thing… remember… I was married to an Hispanic for 15 years… did you know there is a meteorite name after dead cows… the Vaca Muerta Mesosiderite from Atacama, Chile.

Gus Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:38:09pm

re: #62 imp_62

That would be vacca :)

One “c”. :)

Kragar Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:38:24pm

California ‘bomb factory’ goes up in smoke

A house in California containing a “bomb factory” of explosives went up in smoke on Thursday — in an operation controlled by fire services, who said it was the safest way to destroy it.

Occasional blasts could be heard as flames leapt high into the air, after a bomb-arson team ignited the building in Escondido, some 30 miles (45 km) north of San Diego in southern California.

Walter L. Newton Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:39:03pm

re: #65 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

California ‘bomb factory’ goes up in smoke

Why did the state want to destroy all the evidence… something fishy is going on here.

harrylook Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:39:04pm

re: #60 sliv_the_eli

Like all the other post-adolescents overpopulating American universities who confuse their psychological desire to rebel against their parents’ financial success or Middle Class values by mindlessly adopting the underdog of the day. Fortunately for the world, once they graduate and find jobs, most of them cut their hair, shave, shower and learn that the world is not so black-and-white and that the underdog is not necessarily right just because he/she/they/it is portrayed as an underdog.

Ha. That’s what I did. :)

sliv_the_eli Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:40:17pm

re: #65 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

California ‘bomb factory’ goes up in smoke

Had to read that twice. Thought it was a new Cheech and Chong film for a sec.

shutdown Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:40:18pm

re: #59 Killgore Trout

Yeah, He was being a dick about it. He’s also horribly wrong about wikileaks and Anonymous.
My family served in the State Dept my entire life and my father lost his life in the line of duty. I find it reprehensible to see people voicing support for espionage. It’s dangerously stupid.

My other comment would be that it is not clear to me why people are treating diplomatic cables - essentially Foreign Service “pillow talk” - as bare truth. Shell has infiltrated Nigeria? What does that even mean? Is that any different than saying the Tobacco Lobby has infiltrated the US? Where is the research to follow up statements that were speculative in nature and never meant to be public?

jamesfirecat Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:40:53pm

re: #66 Walter L. Newton

Why did the state want to destroy all the evidence… something fishy is going on here.

They might not want to have had some half made weapon go off while they were trying to clean the place out so decided to opt for a controller detonation at a time and of a size they could determine…

Bob Levin Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:41:12pm

re: #60 sliv_the_eli

Absolutely. We’ve seen this many times before.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Mechanic

lawhawk Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:41:16pm

re: #66 Walter L. Newton

The defendant had tried to get the state to stop the burn, claiming it would destroy exculpatory evidence, but the state, feds, and explosives experts all were saying that the place was just too dangerous to collect and remove the explosives any other way. There were all kinds of chemicals used in bombmaking and even the robots couldn’t operate in that environment. So, the fire was the safest method of rendering the threat inert.

Scary stuff.

Kragar Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:41:32pm

re: #66 Walter L. Newton

Why did the state want to destroy all the evidence… something fishy is going on here.

Bomb experts claimed the whole place was a hazard to the community, too dangerous to try and dismantle.

Walter L. Newton Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:41:37pm

BAck on topic of this thread… I watched the video (all the kids were off the network, I was able to get some bandwidth over the wireless)… was there an apology or something… because I missed it… all I kept hearing was “I wasn’t trying to influence anyone to do anything” sort of rhetoric.

shutdown Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:41:38pm

re: #70 jamesfirecat

They might not want to have had some half made weapon go off while they were trying to clean the place out so decided to opt for a controller detonation at a time and of a size they could determine…

Walter casts the lure — and james bites!

Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:41:50pm

re: #69 imp_62

My other comment would be that it is not clear to me why people are treating diplomatic cables - essentially Foreign Service “pillow talk” - as bare truth. Shell has infiltrated Nigeria? What does that even mean? Is that any different than saying the Tobacco Lobby has infiltrated the US? Where is the research to follow up statements that were speculative in nature and never meant to be public?

Yeah, it’s all nonsense.

shutdown Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:42:25pm

re: #64 Gus 802

One “c”. :)

In Spanish, I guess — I speak Italian…

sliv_the_eli Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:42:46pm

re: #72 lawhawk

It remains to be seen how a judge will treat the spoliation of evidence under the circumstances.

Walter L. Newton Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:43:01pm

re: #75 imp_62

Walter casts the lure — and james bites!

… and a few more :) That was my nuanced conspiracy theory sarcasm.

Gus Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:43:41pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

Yeah, it’s all nonsense.

Hey man. Like I’ve got this list of CIA operatives located in the Middle East man. Like the traditional media isn’t doing their job man so I’m going to release this list to Wikileaks man. The CIA should be there anyway and only engaging in a clandestine war man. Like I’m doing this for peace man.

//This is prefect for people that wear glasses without lenses.

Gus Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:44:13pm

re: #80 Gus 802

Hey man. Like I’ve got this list of CIA operatives located in the Middle East man. Like the traditional media isn’t doing their job man so I’m going to release this list to Wikileaks man. The CIA ~~should~~ SHOULDN‘T be there anyway and only engaging in a clandestine war man. Like I’m doing this for peace man.

//This is prefect for people that wear glasses without lenses.

//

Woops.

shutdown Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:45:02pm

re: #79 Walter L. Newton

… and a few more :) That was my nuanced conspiracy theory sarcasm.

Even I got that, and I’m not very nuanced. Ask Mrs. imp…

Obdicut Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:45:41pm

re: #79 Walter L. Newton

Trolling is stupid.

Amory Blaine Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:45:43pm

‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ Repeal FAILS, Blocked By Senate Republicans

Political Atheist Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:45:44pm

Speaking of a change of tune…
Anyone up for a music break?
I finally finished the micro Doc on Patrick Polk and posted it in this Page. More very good blues!

Walter L. Newton Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:46:35pm

re: #77 imp_62

In Spanish, I guess — I speak Italian…

Ok… you asked me about my vaca (tion) dates… I told you, now what. You putting me on some no fly list, or am I going to be met at CDG by some Interpol flunkies or something?

By the way, are you in Italy? Can you find out where Arturo Brachetti will be playing that week and buy me tickets for his show for Christmas.

Walter L. Newton Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:47:11pm

re: #83 Obdicut

Trolling is stupid.

Tough.

Gus Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:48:45pm

re: #84 Amory Blaine

‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ Repeal FAILS, Blocked By Senate Republicans

Well, now it’s up to the courts. They’ve been trying but the military has been largely ignoring those orders. Most recently the USAF.

shutdown Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:49:54pm

re: #86 Walter L. Newton

Ok… you asked me about my vaca (tion) dates… I told you, now what. You putting me on some no fly list, or am I going to be met at CDG by some Interpol flunkies or something?

By the way, are you in Italy? Can you find out where Arturo Brachetti will be playing that week and buy me tickets for his show for Christmas.

Actually I was just wondering when you would be in the Old World on the off chance I could run into you and bum a cup of coffee and a croissant… But I won’t be going over until 23 Jan. Can’t help you with tickets, unfortunately.

Max Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:51:04pm

If he’s really changed his tune, then why is he wearing that keffiyeh?

sliv_the_eli Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:51:18pm

re: #83 Obdicut

Trolling is stupid.

Is Trolling some newly-elected Repub Senator who helped block DADT repeal?

Gus Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:51:34pm

re: #90 Max D. Reinhardt

If he’s really changed his tune, then why is he wearing that keffiyeh?

Is that what that is?

Walter L. Newton Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:53:46pm

re: #89 imp_62

Actually I was just wondering when you would be in the Old World on the off chance I could run into you and bum a cup of coffee and a croissant… But I won’t be going over until 23 Jan. Can’t help you with tickets, unfortunately.

Just kidding about the tickets.

Well, they say Europe may be getting a colder and snowier winter than usual (recent snow in England last week and France yesterday is evidence of that), there is always the possibility I get stuck for a few days of extended vacation.

So, keep and eye on LGF around the 23, if there are weather delays, I won’t be leaving on the 24th. My girlfriend wants to go to Italy if the vacation gets extended. She’s Italian descent.

shutdown Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:54:40pm

re: #93 Walter L. Newton

Just kidding about the tickets.

Well, they say Europe may be getting a colder and snowier winter than usual (recent snow in England last week and France yesterday is evidence of that), there is always the possibility I get stuck for a few days of extended vacation.

So, keep and eye on LGF around the 23, if there are weather delays, I won’t be leaving on the 24th. My girlfriend wants to go to Italy if the vacation gets extended. She’s Italian descent.

Come to Switzerland, instead and I will buy you both a good dinner… not kidding.

Gus Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:54:40pm

No tax cuts.
No DADT repeal.
No DREAM act.
No START.

Heck, everyone could have stayed home. Can we legally furlough congress? /

Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:55:57pm

re: #95 Gus 802

No tax cuts.
No DADT repeal.
No DREAM act.
No START.

Heck, everyone could have stayed home. Can we legally furlough congress? /

That’s the best idea I’ve heard in a long while.

sliv_the_eli Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:56:12pm

re: #90 Max D. Reinhardt

If he’s really changed his tune, then why is he wearing that keffiyeh?

It’s an anti-war scarf. Just ask the marketing people at Urban Outfitters.
[Link: www.freerepublic.com…]

shutdown Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:56:20pm

re: #95 Gus 802

No tax cuts.
No DADT repeal.
No DREAM act.
No START.

Heck, everyone could have stayed home. Can we legally furlough congress? /

You say that in jest, but Congressional deadlock and the threat of shutdown helped WJC to a second term. I wonder if BHO has a plan… (*conspiracy theory starting to form*)

Walter L. Newton Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:57:27pm

re: #94 imp_62

Come to Switzerland, instead and I will buy you both a good dinner… not kidding.

You can always click on my name and email me. All of my email is copied and forwarded to my Ipod Touch. I’ll be able to get email on the road. If there is any chance that we stay longer, that may be possible… the Alps are only a few hours away by TGV (high speed trains).

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sliv_the_eli Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:57:37pm

re: #95 Gus 802

No tax cuts.
No DADT repeal.
No DREAM act.
No START.

Heck, everyone could have stayed home. Can we legally furlough congress? /

Are you using the term furlough as a loose reference to what Shakespeare (or whoever he plagairized the particular line from) said should be done with the lawyers.

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shutdown Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:58:08pm

re: #97 sliv_the_eli

It’s an anti-war scarf. Just ask the marketing people at Urban Outfitters.
[Link: www.freerepublic.com…]

I used to own a few back in the 70s. Lots of Jewish kids did.

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sliv_the_eli Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:58:10pm

re: #96 Killgore Trout

Also, a good way to control the deficit.

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apox Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:58:24pm

What a coward. He insights misguided youths to an angry and disconnected life, and then when his followers are killed / jailed and his neck might be on the line he bails on them.

Talk about courage of your convictions. Fucking coward.

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Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:58:25pm

cows & cows & cows

Youtube Video

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shutdown Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:59:16pm

re: #99 Walter L. Newton

You can always click on my name and email me. All of my email is copied and forwarded to my Ipod Touch. I’ll be able to get email on the road. If there is any chance that we stay longer, that may be possible… the Alps are only a few hours away by TGV (high speed trains).

TGV goes through Basel. Not a bad place to meet for dinner and drinks. I’ll keep an eye on your status and click through when I get in.

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sliv_the_eli Thu, Dec 9, 2010 1:59:55pm

re: #103 apox

On the other hand, guys like him are great resources for those engaged in counter-terror intelligence, because they are the first to rat out everyone they have had contact with.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:00:18pm

re: #5 Obdicut

Not so fun anymore, is it, jerk?

What an ass.

He’s lucky he is in the US.

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Walter L. Newton Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:01:46pm

re: #105 imp_62

TGV goes through Basel. Not a bad place to meet for dinner and drinks. I’ll keep an eye on your status and click through when I get in.

Good… it’s an outside chance… but would be fun. I’m getting together with another Lizard in Paris while I’m there. Maybe we should have a European Lizard Conclave.

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McSpiff Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:02:44pm

re: #107 Sergey Romanov

He’s lucky he is in the US.

Well, that’s somewhat debatable. In many countries( or territories) , his previous stance would have gotten him a day time TV spot.

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shutdown Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:03:20pm

re: #108 Walter L. Newton

Good… it’s an outside chance… but would be fun. I’m getting together with another Lizard in Paris while I’m there. Maybe we should have a European Lizard Conclave.

“European Lizard Conclave” has a nice ring. Except the grey smoke will be from cigars…

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Walter L. Newton Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:04:05pm

re: #110 imp_62

“European Lizard Conclave” has a nice ring. Except the grey smoke will be from cigars…

Nice…

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:04:35pm

re: #109 McSpiff

Well, that’s somewhat debatable. In many countries( or territories) , his previous stance would have gotten him a day time TV spot.

But he wouldn’t be a “cool” anti-hero in such places.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:04:55pm

re: #112 Sergey Romanov

But he wouldn’t be a “cool” anti-hero in such places.

(In his own mind, that is.)

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researchok Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:05:05pm

Travelling man has returned…

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cliffster Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:07:42pm

Penguins persevere!

Youtube Video

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Obdicut Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:10:07pm

re: #112 Sergey Romanov

He’d be very average in some places. In others, they’d love that he was a Jewish convert to Islam.

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goddamnedfrank Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:10:11pm

re: #21 marjoriemoon

He compares it to Helter Skeltor? Oh please, the book was written by Bugliosi, the attorney who prosecuted Manson and in no way promoted the Manson Family. The exact opposite in fact.

What a slime ball.

It’s a shit analogy either way, but I wonder if he meant the book or the song. He said read, but it makes more sense if you consider the inspiration for the book’s title, Manson’s fixation on The Beatles. Regardless this schmuck was clearly advocating murder, and his claims of being misunderstood are pure crap.

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Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:10:39pm

re: #115 cliffster

Great score.

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CuriousLurker Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:10:43pm

He was very specific, several times, about saying it was wrong to attack civilians. I suspect he still thinks what Nidal Hasan did was acceptable where military victims were concerned.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:11:07pm

re: #116 Obdicut

He’d be very average in some places. In others, they’d love that he was a Jewish convert to Islam.

Ah, yes. You’re correct about this aspect. He would most probably be in prison if he were in Europe or ex-USSR.

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Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:12:18pm

re: #119 CuriousLurker

He was very specific, several times, about saying it was wrong to attack civilians. I suspect he still thinks what Nidal Hasan did was acceptable where military victims were concerned.

I think it’s also a safe bet that he still considers Jews and Israelis legitimate targets as well.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:12:32pm

re: #104 Killgore Trout

Mooo-ooo I’m a cow

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goddamnedfrank Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:13:27pm

re: #119 CuriousLurker

He was very specific, several times, about saying it was wrong to attack civilians. I suspect he still thinks what Nidal Hasan did was acceptable where military victims were concerned.

He was also very specific about limiting it to American civilians. Israeli civilians appear to still be fair game in his mind.

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engineer cat Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:13:49pm

Joseph Cohen, a Jewish convert to Islam

du bist geschmatt, mamzer

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researchok Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:13:53pm

re: #119 CuriousLurker

He was very specific, several times, about saying it was wrong to attack civilians. I suspect he still thinks what Nidal Hasan did was acceptable where military victims were concerned.

I believe the guy has sanity in the rear view mirror and is probably manic to boot.

You can’t fix what he’s got.

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sliv_the_eli Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:14:19pm

re: #121 Killgore Trout

I think it’s also a safe bet that he still considers Jews and Israelis legitimate targets as well.

Of course he does, because they are all potential Zio-Nazi Thugboot Soldiers. Even the infants. And the pregnant women riding in civilian automobiles. And kids in school. And……well, you get the idea.

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CuriousLurker Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:15:35pm

re: #121 Killgore Trout

I think it’s also a safe bet that he still considers Jews and Israelis legitimate targets as well.

re: #123 goddamnedfrank

He was also very specific about limiting it to American civilians. Israeli civilians appear to still be fair game in his mind.

Sheesh, I totally overlooked that omission.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:15:39pm

re: #121 Killgore Trout

I think it’s also a safe bet that he still considers Jews and Israelis legitimate targets as well.

IMHO, either he is saying the above out of fear, and then he really didn’t change and still loves Osama, thus civilians are still targets. Or he is simply an unprincipled person without any definable position saying crap just for kicks (=trolling), and then whatever he says is meaningless (which doesn’t make it any less ugly).

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sliv_the_eli Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:16:11pm

re: #123 goddamnedfrank

Probably only the Jewish ones, though, if he was really pressed to clarify the point.

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Vicious Babushka Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:16:39pm

IMO, he’s afraid Wikileaks got a hold of some docs that out him as an FBI informant.

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researchok Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:17:07pm

re: #130 Alouette

IMO, he’s afraid Wikileaks got a hold of some docs that out him as an FBI informant.

That may well be.

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sliv_the_eli Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:18:32pm

re: #128 Sergey Romanov

IMHO, either he is saying the above out of fear, and then he really didn’t change and still loves Osama, thus civilians are still targets. Or he is simply an unprincipled person without any definable position saying crap just for kicks (=trolling), and then whatever he says is meaningless (which doesn’t make it any less ugly).

If I had to place my bet, it’s on the former, and he is simply engaging in what he believes to be acceptable taqqiyah, which, as anyone who reads the media’s coverage of the Middle East can tell you, he reaonably expects the media to lap up when it issues from his piehole.

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Walter L. Newton Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:19:12pm

re: #130 Alouette

IMO, he’s afraid Wikileaks got a hold of some docs that out him as an FBI informant.

If that was the case, wouldn’t he go to the FBI and ask for some sort of protection, instead of running to CNN. I’d want to be underground ASAP and not getting face time in the media.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:20:09pm

re: #133 Walter L. Newton

Hmm. Maybe a former informant who did something to piss FBI off?

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goddamnedfrank Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:21:11pm

re: #129 sliv_the_eli

Probably only the Jewish ones, though, if he was really pressed to clarify the point.

I’m sure that Druze and Circassian civilian veterans of the IDF also qualify.

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researchok Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:21:46pm

re: #133 Walter L. Newton

If that was the case, wouldn’t he go to the FBI and ask for some sort of protection, instead of running to CNN. I’d want to be underground ASAP and not getting face time in the media.

Feds can’t block the wiki release.

If that is the case, he’s trying to get ahead of the story.

Or, the feds told him,. ‘you’re on your own’. They may not want to let on to ongoing investigations.

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freetoken Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:21:54pm

re: #84 Amory Blaine

‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ Repeal FAILS, Blocked By Senate Republicans

I think Reid just wasn’t very much behind this, which is why he wouldn’t let Collins run with it like she wanted to.

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Gus Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:22:30pm

Kind of funny.

Jim Morrison: Doors singer pardoned by Florida governor

Rock legend Jim Morrison has been pardoned by Florida’s governor for an indecent exposure conviction dating back more than 40 years.

…

Governor Charlie Crist and other members of the Florida executive clemency board, composed of members of the governor’s cabinet, voted on the pardon at their last meeting before he leaves office next month.

Mr Crist is reported to have doubts about whether Morrison committed the crime, and has been considering a pardon since 2007 following urging by fans.

Keyboardist Ray Manzarek has long denied that Morrison flashed the audience.

“It never actually happened, it was mass hypnosis,” he said.

“He was just doing a mind trip - as they would say - a mind trip on the audience and they totally fell for it.”

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researchok Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:22:38pm

re: #134 Sergey Romanov

Hmm. Maybe a former informant who did something to piss FBI off?

Playing both sides, maybe.

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Vicious Babushka Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:24:15pm

re: #133 Walter L. Newton

If that was the case, wouldn’t he go to the FBI and ask for some sort of protection, instead of running to CNN. I’d want to be underground ASAP and not getting face time in the media.

He’s already too high profile.

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Walter L. Newton Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:26:55pm

re: #140 Alouette

He’s already too high profile.

You’re probably correct.

Well, it is nice to see him adjusting his thinking and taking a nice moderate view.
//

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sliv_the_eli Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:29:01pm

re: #137 freetoken

I think Reid just wasn’t very much behind this, which is why he wouldn’t let Collins run with it like she wanted to.

We had a fairly robust debate on LGF a few months back about this, particularly whether the Dems’ failure to use their majority in the Senate to ram through DADT repeal reflects a lack of commitment on their part. My view remains that, although the Dems as a group are likely more in favor of repeal than the Repubs, they still lack sufficient commitment to this human rights cause to push it through. Now, raise taxes in the midst of a recesion on those who earn $200,000.01 and have a spouse who works and earns $50,000? That’s a matter of principle to which the Dems today showed they are clearly committed.

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Obdicut Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:35:59pm

re: #142 sliv_the_eli

Why can’t the GOP just let it come to a vote?

And you seriously think that 55 Democrats (plus Sanders + Lieberman) voting to allow it to come to a vote, and only 1 Republican doing so, just means the Democrats are “more likely in favor of repeal”?

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goddamnedfrank Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:37:31pm

re: #142 sliv_the_eli

We had a fairly robust debate on LGF a few months back about this, particularly whether the Dems’ failure to use their majority in the Senate to ram through DADT repeal reflects a lack of commitment on their part. My view remains that, although the Dems as a group are likely more in favor of repeal than the Repubs, they still lack sufficient commitment to this human rights cause to push it through. Now, raise taxes in the midst of a recesion on those who earn $200,000.01 and have a spouse who works and earns $50,000? That’s a matter of principle to which the Dems today showed they are clearly committed.

You do realize that in your scenario, the increased tax rates would only be applied to 1 cent of income, right?

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Gus Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:37:55pm

re: #143 Obdicut

Why can’t the GOP just let it come to a vote?

And you seriously think that 55 Democrats (plus Sanders + Lieberman) voting to allow it to come to a vote, and only 1 Republican doing so, just means the Democrats are “more likely in favor of repeal”?

This way Scott Brown gets to say “I never voted against repealing DADT!”

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engineer cat Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:39:47pm

ABC headline: Sen. Conrad: Extend All Tax Cuts; Time to Get ‘Serious’ About Deficit

the definition of doublethink!

maybe it’s some kind of test to see just how stupid people really are

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Obdicut Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:40:18pm

re: #146 engineer dog

No, no, he means ‘It’s time to get serious about really racking up an even more fucking enormous deficit”

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freetoken Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:41:19pm

The failure of both the DREAM act and the repeal of DADT certainly doesn’t speak well of the Democratic leadership and President Obama. For the last 2 years the Dems have had the majority in both houses of Congress and the Presidency, but they still failed two constituencies in addressing basic rights involving issues.

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Obdicut Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:41:32pm

re: #144 goddamnedfrank

I really never considered progressive taxation that hard to think about.

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CuriousLurker Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:42:18pm

One other thing: I wanted to gag when he started talking about his “niyyah” (intention) WRT his post praising Hasan. Note that he didn’t say, nor was he asked, WHAT precisely his intention was.

Freaking armchair jihadis read their extremist literature and parrot whatever crap they hear without ever… GAH! Forget it—I can’t even talk about it rationally because it my blood pressure rise just thinking about it.

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Obdicut Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:42:36pm

re: #148 freetoken

Agreed that they should have done this back when they had 60. I don’t know why they didn’t.

But in the current climate of GOP obstructionism, there seems to be literally no way for them to proceed. Even getting a single GOP member on board was a major feat.

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Gus Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:47:11pm

re: #148 freetoken

The failure of both the DREAM act and the repeal of DADT certainly doesn’t speak well of the Democratic leadership and President Obama. For the last 2 years the Dems have had the majority in both houses of Congress and the Presidency, but they still failed two constituencies in addressing basic rights involving issues.

Which are two rather large portions of the Democratic Party base. The DREAM act may get passed in some form or another in the coming years. However, I don’t see DADT being repealed for a long time since it would require a Democratic majority in both the House and Senate. The GOP will not vote to repeal DADT in it’s current incarnation — especially if you consider that Susan Collins even waffled on this. The other option other than the courts is an executive order which I don’t see happening.

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Obdicut Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:47:48pm

re: #152 Gus 802

It’ll be the courts.

Thank god we still at least have good courts in this country.

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engineer cat Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:48:03pm

re: #147 Obdicut

No, no, he means ‘It’s time to get serious about really racking up an even more fucking enormous deficit”

i forgot to look in the moron-english english-moron dictionary

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freetoken Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:48:15pm

re: #151 Obdicut

But in the current climate of GOP obstructionism, there seems to be literally no way for them to proceed. Even getting a single GOP member on board was a major feat.

Well, it can be done, but it would require a level of commitment that I think Reid in particular didn’t want to make, and for which President Obama just didn’t have time.

In trying to be Presidential, Obama has spent quite a bit of time (and political capital) working on international issues (START, Mideast issues), and domestic banking and tax cuts. All things which are important but require a great deal of bipartisan maneuvering and time.

What Obama has not done, contrary to the ravings of the nutty-right, is concentrate on major social changes in this country. DADT really falls under basic rights, and I’d argue that DREAM, generally speaking, does too.

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Ojoe Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:50:03pm

IMHO this guy’s words unbelievable no matter what.

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goddamnedfrank Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:52:26pm

re: #149 Obdicut

I really never considered progressive taxation that hard to think about.

“I’m sorry Martha, the government went and increased taxes on one of our pennies. Looks like little Jimmy won’t be getting that gum ball for Christmas he’s been dreaming of.”

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wee fury Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:52:43pm

re: #156 Ojoe

Back on topic — upding.

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Gus Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:52:52pm

Finally some economic justice!

Candy Spelling gets $12-million price break on new penthouse

The widow of the TV mogul had agreed to pay $47 million for the top two floors of the Century condo high-rise, but then the housing market tanked. The sale closed Wednesday for $35 million.

Whoop-de-doo.

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sliv_the_eli Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:54:26pm

re: #143 Obdicut

First, my view on the subject generally is pretty clear. It is, in my view, the 21st century equivalent of desegregation. For that reason, I give no absolution to any member of the Senate, on either side of the aisle, who does not do his or her utmost to actually get DADT repealed.

With respect to your question, I am well aware of the overwhelming vote against by the Repubs. However, as at least one poster has pointed out, it may well be that some of those Repubs personally favor repeal but are hoping they can avoid being punished for voting their conscience by leaving the matter for an Article III judge to decide. There may also be Dems who oppose repeal but will vote for repeal because they don’t want to be punished by their constituents. Since I do not purport to be able to look into the hearts of each member of the Senate, I cannot do more than state the obvious, that Dems as a group are likely more in favor of repeal than the Repubs. If my lack of superlative offends you, I apologize, but, as you and I spent much time discussing a few months back, I believe the Dems could push this through if they really cared enough to do so, just as they have with other issues that they felt were important enough to warrant a political “full court press.”

Incidentally, unless I have misunderstood what actually took place, here is how the current round has gone down
1. DADT repeal was not offered up as a standalone bill, but, rather, was attached to an appropriations bill. For my part, I would like to see it offered as a stand-alone bill, where our elected representatives can each be judged solely on his or her stance on this major civil rights issue. (i.e., Repubs can’t claim they voted to repeal because they didn’t want to punish the troops).
2. No vote was held on the actual bill. Rather,
3. A decision was made to not even put the bill to a vote because in a preliminary vote of sorts, there do not appear to be enough votes to overcome what is as yet only the threat of a filibuster.
In other words, the Dem leadership wimped out and didn’t even put the Repubs in the position of having to filibuster. You may recall during our last argument on this issue, which took place before the mid-term elections, I surmised that the Dems had bought into their own propaganda that Pres. Bush was elected solely because of the homophobe vote and were afraid of causing a voter backlash that would result in large Repub gains in the mid-term elections. Well, that concern no longer exists. That, clearly, is no longer a valid excuse for the Dems. Now, if they want to convince those of us in the center that they actually give a rat’s ass about real issues and not merely about scoring cheap propaganda points, they have an opportunity to use their super-majority while they still have it. In my book, their failure to do so even now suggests that the Dems’ “commitment” to DADT repeal is merely cheap politics and not a matter of fundamental commitment.

You are free to believe otherwise, but that’s my view.

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sliv_the_eli Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:57:13pm

re: #144 goddamnedfrank

Yes. I was merely trying to point out, albeit obtusely, what I view to be the Dems’ hypocricy on DADT and, even more obtusely, to correct the error of many who refer to “tax cuts” for those earning above $250,000. Marginal tax rates go up on those earning more than $200,000 or married couples who together make more than $250,000.

Ironically, such a substantial “marriage penalty” might make gay rights advocates re-think whether they really want a right to marry. //

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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:58:15pm

re: #161 sliv_the_eli

Yes. I was merely trying to point out, albeit obtusely, what I view to be the Dems’ hypocricy on DADT and, even more obtusely, to correct the error of many who refer to “tax cuts” for those earning above $250,000. Marginal tax rates go up on those earning more than $200,000 or married couples who together make more than $250,000.

Ironically, such a substantial “marriage penalty” might make gay rights advocates re-think whether they really want a right to marry. //

Sure. And straight couples with happy marriages will get divorced so they can file separately.

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Gus Thu, Dec 9, 2010 2:59:25pm

Czech towns deploy cardboard police in miniskirts (to slow down traffic)

PRAGUE—Authorities say that life-sized cardboards of female police officers in miniskirts placed alongside roads have managed to slow down speeding drivers in several central Czech towns.

The mayor of the town of Mrakotin, Miroslav Pozar, said Thursday drivers, including him, automatically slow down when they see such officers.

Image: 20101209__EUCzechCardboardPolice~2_GALLERY.jpg

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CuriousLurker Thu, Dec 9, 2010 3:00:55pm

re: #150 CuriousLurker

Note to Yousef al-Khattab:

If you’re such a pious Muslim then you should know that any Muslim who takes it upon him/herself to interpret Islamic teachings for other people had damned well better be sure they’re getting it right, because when you get it wrong—and you WILL get it wrong when you’re not qualified to interpret—then any and all bad actions done by others that result from your blathery are ON YOUR HEAD.

In the future you’d do well to GET A CLUE before leading others into error.

*leaves thread to go put out hair*

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Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 9, 2010 3:02:49pm

Depraved lunatic Ron Paul loves Wikleaks, Hates the American Empire…

Youtube Video

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Gus Thu, Dec 9, 2010 3:03:28pm

re: #165 Killgore Trout

Depraved lunatic Ron Paul loves Wikleaks, Hates the American Empire…

[Video]

This video has been removed by the user.

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Gus Thu, Dec 9, 2010 3:04:14pm

re: #165 Killgore Trout

Depraved lunatic Ron Paul loves Wikleaks, Hates the American Empire…

[Video]

Youtube Video

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Obdicut Thu, Dec 9, 2010 3:07:04pm

re: #160 sliv_the_eli

I surmised that the Dems had bought into their own propaganda that Pres. Bush was elected solely because of the homophobe vote and were afraid of causing a voter backlash that would result in large Repub gains in the mid-term elections.

Who ever claimed that Bush was elected just because of homophobia? What?

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Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 9, 2010 3:07:09pm

re: #167 Gus 802

They must have pulled and reposted for some reason.

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garhighway Thu, Dec 9, 2010 3:08:00pm

re: #151 Obdicut

Agreed that they should have done this back when they had 60. I don’t know why they didn’t.

But in the current climate of GOP obstructionism, there seems to be literally no way for them to proceed. Even getting a single GOP member on board was a major feat.

Democrats have never had the kind of party discipline the Republicans have. Bigger tent, bigger ideological spread.

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Walter L. Newton Thu, Dec 9, 2010 3:10:07pm

re: #168 Obdicut

Who ever claimed that Bush was elected just because of homophobia? What?

Mehlman said that George Bush was not homophobic, but that he was aware that Bush’s political strategist Karl Rove had co-ordinated efforts to use anti-gay legislation and referendums to boost Republican turnout.

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk…]

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Obdicut Thu, Dec 9, 2010 3:10:41pm

re: #171 Walter L. Newton

So, a Republican said it?

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sliv_the_eli Thu, Dec 9, 2010 3:11:36pm

re: #157 goddamnedfrank

Another way to look at it is, Gee, Dad, I know we aren’t rich and can’t pay full freight for college. Should I take out $250,000 or more in loans, in the hope that I make so much money someday that I can afford to pay them back, start a family, maybe start a business, buy a home? Or should I just bum around playing X-box for now and avoid the investment in a college (much less post-graduate) education, because, while my earnings down the road will be lower, my net cost of living will be so much lower that I can actually have a higher standard of living without the investment.

Put differently, not everyone who would be subject to a higher marginal tax rate is a Wall Street fat cat earning so much that another $40,000 in annual taxes is meaningless, or a trust fund baby who incurred no debt in order to move up the socio-economic ladder. The tax increase being pushed by the Dems — and yes, it is a tax increase — will have real consequences on the decision-making of young people who do not have the luxury of luxury, and the issue is not as simple as whether or not one believes in the concept of progressive taxation. The real questions, IMHO, (and apart from the wisdom of raising taxes in the midst of a recession with high unemployment), are (1) at what point on the income scale should marginal tax rates rise; and (2) at what point is taxation not progressive but punitive?

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Gus Thu, Dec 9, 2010 3:12:17pm

re: #171 Walter L. Newton

Mehlman said that George Bush was not homophobic, but that he was aware that Bush’s political strategist Karl Rove had co-ordinated efforts to use anti-gay legislation and referendums to boost Republican turnout.

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk…]

I didn’t put anti-gay legislation because I’m homophobic! I only did to increase voter turnout!

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jamesfirecat Thu, Dec 9, 2010 3:13:42pm

re: #90 Max D. Reinhardt

If he’s really changed his tune, then why is he wearing that keffiyeh?

Personally I think unless its from Hamas’ latest DTI line of clothing, we should avoid judging people too harshly based on what they wear.

Maybe his neck was cold…. I was unimpressed when it was noted that there were people wearing keffiyehs at the Rally to Restore Sanity and I’m not going to make any snap decisions here as well, sometimes a scarf is just a scarf and even if he is only laying low at the moment, I suggest we at least give him enough rope to hang himself with rather than starting to accuse him in the midst of trying to possibly turn over a new leaf until we’ve got more solid evidence than his choice in accessories.

But I’m a hopeless liberal who believes that everyone deserves another chance so feel free to take this with a grain of salt just voicing my opinion it may not necessarily be the correct one…

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garhighway Thu, Dec 9, 2010 3:13:58pm

re: #172 Obdicut

So, a Republican said it?

The GOP’s use of wedge issue referenda to boost turnout is pretty well known. It wasn’t a factor in 2000 (at least not that I have seen discussed) but the tactic was employed in 2004, and might have been helpful to Bush a little, and in the 2006 midterms, where it may have softened the blow a little bit. Count on seeing it again in 2012.

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Walter L. Newton Thu, Dec 9, 2010 3:14:53pm

re: #172 Obdicut

So, a Republican said it?

Obviously. Mehlman is a republican. I don’t know the details of the issue, I just did a quick Google search, and came up with the fact that at least someone claims that the GOP used homophobic strategy to gain some support.

I disagree with Eli’s use of the words “elected solely.” It’s evident that GB’s election was not solely because of any anti-gay leanings.

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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Dec 9, 2010 3:16:04pm

re: #167 Gus 802

[Video]

What did the Republicans do with this guy during the Bush years?
Keep him locked up in a cupboard?

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Walter L. Newton Thu, Dec 9, 2010 3:16:45pm

re: #178 ozbloke

What did the Republicans do with this guy during the Bush years?
Keep him locked up in a cupboard?

No… a closet.

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Gus Thu, Dec 9, 2010 3:17:59pm

re: #178 ozbloke

What did the Republicans do with this guy during the Bush years?
Keep him locked up in a cupboard?

Something like that. They blocked his appearances and laughed at him during the debate. He’s gone from GOP pariah to GOP standard bearer (although to a limited degree) in less than 4 years. The GOP of course is holding him up now for their newly minted Tea Party base.

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jamesfirecat Thu, Dec 9, 2010 3:18:54pm

re: #148 freetoken

The failure of both the DREAM act and the repeal of DADT certainly doesn’t speak well of the Democratic leadership and President Obama. For the last 2 years the Dems have had the majority in both houses of Congress and the Presidency, but they still failed two constituencies in addressing basic rights involving issues.

The Senate doesn’t work on a majority basis anymore.

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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Dec 9, 2010 3:23:14pm

re: #180 Gus 802

Something like that. They blocked his appearances and laughed at him during the debate. He’s gone from GOP pariah to GOP standard bearer (although to a limited degree) in less than 4 years. The GOP of course is holding him up now for their newly minted Tea Party base.

Gus
Forgive my ignorance, but I’m presuming he has ‘views’ that offend the left as he’s not a Democrat, but what I heard then wouldn’t that be the view of a lot on the left?

Talk about the crazy uncle…
To clarify that last remark, I think its crazy as hes an elected Republican.
If he was a Democrat, that speech would not have shocked me.

I need to go read more about his beliefs.
Up is Down, on is off, night is day, left is right, what a crazy world we live in.

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Walter L. Newton Thu, Dec 9, 2010 3:24:47pm

re: #182 ozbloke

Gus
Forgive my ignorance, but I’m presuming he has ‘views’ that offend the left as he’s not a Democrat, but what I heard then wouldn’t that be the view of a lot on the left?

Talk about the crazy uncle…
To clarify that last remark, I think its crazy as hes an elected Republican.
If he was a Democrat, that speech would not have shocked me.

I need to go read more about his beliefs.
Up is Down, on is off, night is day, left is right, what a crazy world we live in.

And that’s the way it is down under :)

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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Dec 9, 2010 3:29:37pm

re: #183 Walter L. Newton

And that’s the way it is down under :)

Thats what happens because we are hanging from out feet.
upsidedown upsidedown

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Gus Thu, Dec 9, 2010 3:31:55pm

re: #184 ozbloke

Thats what happens because we are hanging from out feet.
upsidedown upsidedown

Lefty tighty. Righty loosy. All the bolt threads are backwards too!

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Walter L. Newton Thu, Dec 9, 2010 3:32:29pm

re: #184 ozbloke

Thats what happens because we are hanging from out feet.
upsidedown upsidedown

I apologize… but your last line… “Up is Down, on is off, night is day, left is right, what a crazy world we live in” for some reason sounded like it should have been sung like song Aussie ballad… and I couldn’t help tagging that with… “And that’s the way it is down under.”

Do you think you could write a melody?

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Walter L. Newton Thu, Dec 9, 2010 3:33:01pm

re: #186 Walter L. Newton

like song Aussie ballad = like SOME Aussie ballad

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Dec 9, 2010 3:37:57pm

re: #186 Walter L. Newton

I apologize… but your last line… “Up is Down, on is off, night is day, left is right, what a crazy world we live in” for some reason sounded like it should have been sung like song Aussie ballad… and I couldn’t help tagging that with… “And that’s the way it is down under.”

Do you think you could write a melody?

Youtube Video

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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Dec 9, 2010 3:39:49pm

re: #186 Walter L. Newton

I apologize… but your last line… “Up is Down, on is off, night is day, left is right, what a crazy world we live in” for some reason sounded like it should have been sung like song Aussie ballad… and I couldn’t help tagging that with… “And that’s the way it is down under.”

Do you think you could write a melody?

I could certainly write the melody, however I would save you from having to have you hear me sing it, because I like you.

Any particular key?

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Walter L. Newton Thu, Dec 9, 2010 3:43:51pm

re: #189 ozbloke

I could certainly write the melody, however I would save you from having to have you hear me sing it, because I like you.

Any particular key?

P-Flat… er… that would be b-flat on this side of the globe. :)

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goddamnedfrank Thu, Dec 9, 2010 4:31:31pm

re: #173 sliv_the_eli

Put differently, not everyone who would be subject to a higher marginal tax rate is a Wall Street fat cat earning so much that another $40,000 in annual taxes is meaningless, or a trust fund baby who incurred no debt in order to move up the socio-economic ladder. The tax increase being pushed by the Dems — and yes, it is a tax increase — will have real consequences on the decision-making of young people who do not have the luxury of luxury, and the issue is not as simple as whether or not one believes in the concept of progressive taxation. The real questions, IMHO, (and apart from the wisdom of raising taxes in the midst of a recession with high unemployment), are (1) at what point on the income scale should marginal tax rates rise; and (2) at what point is taxation not progressive but punitive?

I really wish you’d try to do the math on these things before posting. In order for an individual to be paying “another $40,000” in annual taxes under the Dem plan, they’d have to have a taxable income of over $1,311,111 per year.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 9, 2010 6:34:10pm

re: #142 sliv_the_eli

We had a fairly robust debate on LGF a few months back about this, particularly whether the Dems’ failure to use their majority in the Senate to ram through DADT repeal reflects a lack of commitment on their part. My view remains that, although the Dems as a group are likely more in favor of repeal than the Repubs, they still lack sufficient commitment to this human rights cause to push it through. Now, raise taxes in the midst of a recesion on those who earn $200,000.01 and have a spouse who works and earns $50,000? That’s a matter of principle to which the Dems today showed they are clearly committed.

Are you another one of these mindless fucking retards trying to peddle your completely false lying notions about progressive taxation?

God I get tired of you guys and your shit

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 9, 2010 6:36:02pm

re: #161 sliv_the_eli

Yes. I was merely trying to point out, albeit obtusely, what I view to be the Dems’ hypocricy on DADT and, even more obtusely, to correct the error of many who refer to “tax cuts” for those earning above $250,000. Marginal tax rates go up on those earning more than $200,000 or married couples who together make more than $250,000.

Ironically, such a substantial “marriage penalty” might make gay rights advocates re-think whether they really want a right to marry. //

God, you’re a shit

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sliv_the_eli Fri, Dec 10, 2010 7:09:01am

re: #192 WindUpBird

Poor baby, can’t deal with anyone who disagrees. Grow up. It might do you some good.

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sliv_the_eli Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:35:45am

re: #168 Obdicut

This was a common meme among Dems and their supporters at the time. Here’s some historical proof, in the form of a discussion of the issue in a November 5, 2004 article in Slate.

[Link: www.slate.com…]

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sliv_the_eli Fri, Dec 10, 2010 9:38:21am

re: #162 SanFranciscoZionist

You did realize that last paragraph was joke (hence the tags)?

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Flavia Fri, Dec 10, 2010 2:38:06pm

It’s a stereotype that Jews are overachievers - I didn’t need this [expletive deleted] proving it - this time, in the area of self-loathing. Ok, & lying, too. He is ONLY trying to escape the consequences he has EARNED. Almost makes me wish we did have torture in this country, or at least some good-old-fashioned beatings.

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