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The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds; and the pessimist fears this is true.
— James Branch Cabell
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Kragar Mon, Dec 13, 2010 11:10:02pm |
And now for something completely different...
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Raryn Mon, Dec 13, 2010 11:47:36pm |
Are you sure about the attribution of that quote? I have it down as
"The optimist proclaims live in the best of all possible worlds; and the pessimist fears this is true." -- Irving Caesar
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Raryn Mon, Dec 13, 2010 11:50:03pm |
Err,
"The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds; and the pessimist fears this is true." -- Irving Caesar
No idea what happened to the missing words last time.
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boxhead Tue, Dec 14, 2010 12:56:06am |
re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
And now for something completely different...
[Video]
I think this is what you were looking for....
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freetoken Tue, Dec 14, 2010 1:48:29am |
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laZardo Tue, Dec 14, 2010 2:53:59am |
Posted new LGF page. Would "doppelganger" fit more than "evil twin?"
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freetoken Tue, Dec 14, 2010 4:17:52am |
Japanese PM is very unpopular:
Support for Japan PM plunges to new low
Support for the cabinet of Japan's centre-left Prime Minister Naoto Kan has fallen six points to 21 percent, the lowest level since he took office half a year ago, a newspaper survey said Tuesday.
So what does he do?
Japan PM vows to find WWII dead Iwo Jima
In a rare visit to Iwo Jima, Japan's prime minister offered prayers Tuesday at two recently discovered mass graves and vowed to find the more than 12,000 fallen soldiers whose bodies have yet to be recovered from the remote island where some of World War II's fiercest fighting took place.
Nothing quite like playing the War-Dead card for a politician to try and bolster their popularity.
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researchok Tue, Dec 14, 2010 4:22:30am |
re: #11 freetoken
Japanese PM is very unpopular:
Support for Japan PM plunges to new low
So what does he do?
Japan PM vows to find WWII dead Iwo Jima
Nothing quite like playing the War-Dead card for a politician to try and bolster their popularity.
There is a certain irony in a politician looking to save his skin amongst the dead.
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freetoken Tue, Dec 14, 2010 4:37:03am |
Hehehehehe...
Latest Wikileaks cables reveal Sarah Palin is real
Wikileaks has released a series of diplomatic cables which suggest Sarah Palin is a real politician, and not the comic creation of some Hollywood mastermind.
The news is set to shock the diplomatic community, among whom Palin had become a favourite topic of conversation at embassy dinners around the world.
A UK Government source told us, “This is the most shocking wikileaks revelation yet, without doubt.”
“I can’t believe that all this time America has been concealing a real politician behind the facade of a mentally unstable gun-toting former prom-queen with her own reality television show.”
“Just thinking about her makes me laugh, and wikileaks are now telling us it’s not a joke? She’s a real politician, with actual powers of office? Terrifying.”
“I’m sure the Americans are absolutely furious that this information has been leaked. I know I would be.”
“They’ll be telling us all that anti-free healthcare Tea Party stuff is real next, even though it’s the funniest thing to come out of the US since GhostBusters.”
Wikileaks Palin revelation
This latest revelation is set to further ignite tensions between the US and those running the Wikileaks website, with further accusations levelled at the whistle-blowers claiming that this information is not in the public interest.
A US state department spokesperson told us, “We would argue that knowledge of Sarah Palins legitimate role in our democratic process is of no interest to anyone outside of Alaska.”
“Of what benefit is it to the world at large to know that two years ago she was very nearly within an old man’s heart attack of the White House? Hmm?”
As the value of the dollar began to fall, a statement has been issued to the stock markets reassuring global financial experts that Sarah Palin is closely monitored at all times, and is not allowed to sign anything without discussing it with at least two adults first.
It ended, “Please rest assured, although she is a real politician, none of us take her even remotely seriously.”
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researchok Tue, Dec 14, 2010 4:41:15am |
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freetoken Tue, Dec 14, 2010 4:42:04am |
And you thought your dating experiences were bad:
Father castrates daughter's boyfriend
A German father was so angry his teenage daughter was dating a man 40 years older than her that he castrated the boyfriend with a bread knife, police say.
A bread knife?
ouch
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Dec 14, 2010 4:43:31am |
re: #15 freetoken
I am not saying that was the right thing to do, but I understand.
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Flounder Tue, Dec 14, 2010 4:43:32am |
Morning all. Winter wonderland here in NY. I don't mind the snow when it's not enough to shovel.
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freetoken Tue, Dec 14, 2010 4:43:42am |
I was always told to stay away from hospitals. Now I know why:
Italian hospital asks doctors not to snort cocaine at work
An Italian hospital director sent a memo to doctors and nurses asking them not to snort cocaine while on duty, the ANSA news agency reported.
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RogueOne Tue, Dec 14, 2010 4:44:12am |
re: #15 freetoken
And you thought your dating experiences were bad:
Father castrates daughter's boyfriend
A bread knife?
ouch
I saw that earlier. I say the dad is now up for Father of the year. The girl was 17 and the "boyfriend" was 57.
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freetoken Tue, Dec 14, 2010 4:45:26am |
Finally, a video that has been making the rounds the past few days:
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sattv4u2 Tue, Dec 14, 2010 4:48:27am |
re: #16 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I am not saying that was the right thing to do, but I understand.
I know!
The "RIGHT" thing to do would have been to use a meat cleaver, NOT a butter knife!!
wait ,,, huh !?!?!
//
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researchok Tue, Dec 14, 2010 4:53:37am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Dec 14, 2010 4:57:23am |
re: #21 freetoken
Think he orders buffalo wings?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Dec 14, 2010 5:00:39am |
BTW... Brett Favre? It's a pretty impressive record. Had to end sometime.
297 freakin' games in a row? Are you kidding me?
Congratulations. It's a shame you'll be a complete cripple before 50.
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 14, 2010 5:07:20am |
re: #25 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I think the average age of death of a Muay Thai fighter is about 39 or so.
Individual fights tend to be safer than boxing, but the repetitive injuries to internal organs really adds up.
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RogueOne Tue, Dec 14, 2010 5:08:22am |
Anyone post this yesterday?
Leaked: Julian Assange’s OkCupid Profile
[Link: blogs.forbes.com...]
The funny thing about the Internet is how easy it is for our professional and personal worlds to collide. You can try to hide your non-professional — and potentially embarrassing — online identities with pseudonyms, but it doesn’t always work. Especially if the photos accompanying your pseudonym are as recognizable as those of Wikileaks mastermind Julian Assange.
[Link: www.okcupid.com...]
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Dec 14, 2010 5:10:27am |
re: #27 RogueOne
Is someone who considers themselves an "intellectual" a safe date?
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 14, 2010 5:13:29am |
re: #19 RogueOne
He's not going to be father of the year when in prison and unable to care for his daughter, though.
That's what these revenge junkies don't really get. The law doesn't have a "Dude, we totally understand" clause.
He already plead guilty.
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RogueOne Tue, Dec 14, 2010 5:13:31am |
re: #28 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You Should Message Me If:You are a spirited, erotic, non-confomist. Non-conformity is not the adoption of some pre-existing alternative subculture. I seek innate perceptiveness and spunk.
He likes "spunk".
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 14, 2010 5:14:13am |
re: #28 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Nobody should call themselves an intellectual. It's like calling yourself a bad-ass. If you really are one, other people will be pointing it out.
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RogueOne Tue, Dec 14, 2010 5:15:08am |
re: #29 Obdicut
He's not going to be father of the year when in prison and unable to care for his daughter, though.
That's what these revenge junkies don't really get. The law doesn't have a "Dude, we totally understand" clause.
He already plead guilty.
Hence the reason I've never been chosen for a jury. One less perv on the planet? Give the man a medal!
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 14, 2010 5:17:35am |
re: #32 RogueOne
I had a girl who was obsessed with me once and claimed I'd stalked her and taken pictures of her. Luckily, I was pretty easily able to prove I couldn't have done it, since I was working 80 hour weeks at the time and had not time for stalking, and being a bartender had plenty of witnesses.
Her father called me up and threatened me once. He believed his daughter, as a good father should.
Good thing he didn't come castrate me, eh?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Dec 14, 2010 5:19:25am |
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RogueOne Tue, Dec 14, 2010 5:20:59am |
re: #33 Obdicut
I had a girl who was obsessed with me once and claimed I'd stalked her and taken pictures of her. Luckily, I was pretty easily able to prove I couldn't have done it, since I was working 80 hour weeks at the time and had not time for stalking, and being a bartender had plenty of witnesses.
Her father called me up and threatened me once. He believed his daughter, as a good father should.
Good thing he didn't come castrate me, eh?
It's not always about you is it? This is about a 57 year old man diddling this guys teen daughter. There isn't any suggestion that anyone in the whole scenario is lying. The cops couldn't do anything about it so the dad did what he felt he had to do. In this case I say "Free Helmut!". This is what jury trials are for, to decide if the law is just and to serve justice. I say justice has already been served.
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RogueOne Tue, Dec 14, 2010 5:22:16am |
Off to work! Can't wait for the house to extend the tax cuts so get it in now!
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 14, 2010 5:22:46am |
re: #36 RogueOne
t's not always about you is it?
You have a degree in missing the point. You're a PhD in obtuseness. You could give lectures at Because Shut Up University.
I say justice has already been served.
Yeah, but you've already repeatedly demonstrated you have no concept of how the concept of rights actually function.
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 14, 2010 5:32:48am |
As vigilantes go, this shit is hilarious:
[Link: drmcninja.com...]
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Dec 14, 2010 5:56:38am |
Good morning from the arctic cold region of Virginia!
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reine.de.tout Tue, Dec 14, 2010 6:20:20am |
re: #40 NJDhockeyfan
Good morning from the arctic cold region of Virginia!
Ditto from the arctic cold of Louisiana (26 degrees here - brrr - the heater in my house can't keep up!)
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Political Atheist Tue, Dec 14, 2010 6:21:44am |
re: #40 NJDhockeyfan
Good morning from SoCal, foggy, they say a week of rain is coming, storms stacked all the way across the pacific to Hawaii.
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Political Atheist Tue, Dec 14, 2010 6:22:45am |
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 14, 2010 6:23:17am |
The worst part of the cold weather is the idiots making global warming jokes.
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darthstar Tue, Dec 14, 2010 6:27:29am |
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Political Atheist Tue, Dec 14, 2010 6:27:56am |
re: #44 Obdicut
The only person I know that may disagree is a pal in Minnesota with a long driveway and a shovel. (Snow blower not starting)
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darthstar Tue, Dec 14, 2010 6:30:20am |
re: #46 Rightwingconspirator
The only person I know that may disagree is a pal in Minnesota with a long driveway and a shovel. (Snow blower not starting)
People need to remember to run their engine dry at the end of the season. Had they not left gas sitting in their snow-blower all spring, summer and fall, they would have had no problem starting it back up this year.
Same goes for lawnmowers, chainsaws, weed-eaters, leaf blowers, jet-skis, etc.
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Political Atheist Tue, Dec 14, 2010 6:31:54am |
Hello Three Chord Monty
Now that nic must have an interesting story that goes with it...
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darthstar Tue, Dec 14, 2010 6:35:32am |
re: #48 Rightwingconspirator
Hello Three Chord Monty
Now that nic must have an interesting story that goes with it...
It's a nice play on words. I lost 55,000 playing 3 card monty in Turin, Italy to the local hucksters (pretty much on purpose)...oh, it was before the Euro, so that was actually only 55,000 Lira (about 40 bucks at the time).
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Political Atheist Tue, Dec 14, 2010 6:40:20am |
re: #49 darthstar
Sounds like fun entertainment for $40
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reine.de.tout Tue, Dec 14, 2010 6:41:07am |
Damn.
Just got an e-mail from Gawker media saying I have an account that might be compromised.
I don't recall ever signing up there.
I have an e-mail/user name for comment accounts.
I have an e-mail/user name for "social" media (twitter, facebook)
I have an e-mail for personal correspondence.
And an e-mail/and various user names for bank accounts, paypal and bill paying.
So I don't have to change everything, but it's still a pain in the neck.
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 14, 2010 6:42:22am |
re: #51 reine.de.tout
and you vary the passwords between those accounts, yes?
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Political Atheist Tue, Dec 14, 2010 6:42:24am |
As goes California, so GOES the rest of the country.
Get ready for the wet and cold.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Dec 14, 2010 6:43:19am |
re: #52 Obdicut
and you vary the passwords between those accounts, yes?
I have a basic password, that differs in a couple of respects in a couple of places.
(use of special characters, numbers, uppercase).
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Political Atheist Tue, Dec 14, 2010 6:45:30am |
re: #54 reine.de.tout
I'm changing all of mine. I'll fearlessly have a password list on paper at my computer. If anyone wants to steal that password set they may need more than a keyboard, LOL.
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Interesting Times Tue, Dec 14, 2010 6:45:34am |
re: #51 reine.de.tout
Damn. Just got an e-mail from Gawker media saying I have an account that might be compromised. I don't recall ever signing up there.
Could it be the email you just got is some kind of scam/spam? Very common of them to exploit incidents like this...
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 14, 2010 6:46:26am |
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reine.de.tout Tue, Dec 14, 2010 6:50:25am |
re: #57 Obdicut
You may want to change all those passwords, then. Propagation with variation is a standard attack.
re: #56 publicityStunted
And that's a very good point. Does the email you tell you to click on a link, download anything, go anywhere?
It does have a link, but I NEVER use those links in e-mails, I go directly to a site.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Dec 14, 2010 6:50:49am |
re: #58 reine.de.tout
It does have a link, but I NEVER use those links in e-mails, I go directly to a site.
And yes, I'm changing my passwords as I write this.
Damn.
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darthstar Tue, Dec 14, 2010 6:55:05am |
re: #50 Rightwingconspirator
Sounds like fun entertainment for $40
It was...I knew they were hucksters but they were all 50-somethings, chain smoking (like what you'd expect from an old movie), and nobody spoke a word of English. One guy would throw down 10,000 lira, pick the right card, and the other would pay him, then they'd gesture to me. I went along with it, exaggerated my gestures a bit to communicate "Darn! I almost got it that time!" and when I was done smiled, shook their hands and walked away as they pleaded with me to try just...one...more...time...
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darthstar Tue, Dec 14, 2010 6:55:55am |
re: #59 reine.de.tout
And yes, I'm changing my passwords as I write this.
Damn.
"Damn" isn't a very good password. Maybe try something a little longer.
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 14, 2010 6:58:03am |
re: #58 reine.de.tout
It does have a link, but I NEVER use those links in e-mails, I go directly to a site.
You've got my email still, right? I can tell you if it was a phishing attempt, if you email it to me.
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darthstar Tue, Dec 14, 2010 6:58:55am |
re: #53 Rightwingconspirator
As goes California, so GOES the rest of the country.
Get ready for the wet and cold.
Pineapple Express time! Last time we had one of these there was excessive flooding throughout the state, and tons of heavy, wet snow in the Sierras...yes, it'll be a Sierra Cement ski season, but if we get a cold spell in Jan-Feb, it'll be a good one.
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 14, 2010 7:00:07am |
re: #63 darthstar
What does that mean for Tahoe? Wife's cousin just got a job there. Busy or not?
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darthstar Tue, Dec 14, 2010 7:03:27am |
re: #64 Obdicut
What does that mean for Tahoe? Wife's cousin just got a job there. Busy or not?
Busy. Lots of snow. Sucky waits on I-80 and Hwy 50 at chain control. Thinning of the herd as assholes try to drive 50mph in their 4x4s then try to use their brakes to slow down.
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 14, 2010 7:04:27am |
re: #65 darthstar
Great! He's an awesome chef and got a job at what seems like a great place.
I mean, great about the business, not about the morons in 4x4s.
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Slap Tue, Dec 14, 2010 7:10:03am |
re: #62 Obdicut
You've got my email still, right? I can tell you if it was a phishing attempt, if you email it to me.
FYI, I have a couple of friends with AOL emails that just got hacked this week; from those two IDs, I know of at least six spam emails sent. I was advised later of a third person with the same issue. I'm familiar with the syntax of their communication styles, and knew instantly the emails were wonky. I've confirmed that they I haven't had a chance to find out if they were Gawker users, but all were definitely AOL. (One of them has a gigantic contacts list, talk about a huge nightmare.....)
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 14, 2010 7:11:32am |
re: #67 Slap
They're such a pain in the ass. I hate when there's a wave of phishing attempts because my mom calls me like five times a day wondering if simply getting the email has compromised her computer.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Dec 14, 2010 7:12:09am |
Michael Moore joins list of media figures offering bail surety for Julian Assange
Film and documentary maker Michael Moore has joined the list of media figures offering support to WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange ahead of his second bail application today.
Moore, who is best know for directing and producing the films Bowling for Columbine and Fahrenheit 9/11, has offered $20,000 surety for Assange, who was arrested last week over allegations of sexually assaulting two women in Sweden.
...The filmmaker says he will also give "the assistance of my website, my servers, my domain names and anything else I can do to keep WikiLeaks alive and thriving". Speaking in a blog post on his website, Moore is critical of attacks from US politicians on WikiLeaks and Assange, such as senator Joe Lieberman's claims that the site has violated the US Espionage Act.
"I will not allow this injustice to continue unchallenged," he writes.
At his first bail hearing last week journalist John Pilger and film director Ken Loach were amongst those promising sureties for the whistleblowing website's editor.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Dec 14, 2010 7:12:35am |
re: #45 darthstar
I have exactly one problem with this article...
"Fox News viewers are being led around like Ritalin-sodden sheep."
This is an insult to Ritalin the fine medicine that I've been taking to treat my ADHD since I was in first grade!
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 14, 2010 7:14:49am |
re: #69 NJDhockeyfan
Moore desperately attempts to elbow his way into the spotlight.
Everyone on the 'left' who supports Assange and Wikileaks should be asked why they support the distribution of the edited CRU emails that were used to smear scientists.
I'm betting 95% of them don't even know they did.
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Slap Tue, Dec 14, 2010 7:15:07am |
re: #69 NJDhockeyfan
Does anybody actually still give a flying rat's ass about this guy?
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Dec 14, 2010 7:17:01am |
re: #72 Slap
Does anybody actually still give a flying rat's ass about this guy?
Assange will certainly take his money.
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lawhawk Tue, Dec 14, 2010 7:22:58am |
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area, which is feeling a whole lot more like winter (and looking it as well). Overnight we got ourselves our first snow of the season, and while it isn't the massive amounts seen in the Midwest or Great Lakes, it's the tip of the proverbial icebox as seriously cold air works its way into the area.
Also a sign of the holiday season? Festive lighting at Ground Zero.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Dec 14, 2010 7:23:59am |
Michael Morre posted his reasons on HuffPo...
Why I'm Posting Bail Money for Julian Assange
Nothing but lots of support & love in the comments.
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 14, 2010 7:29:09am |
re: #75 NJDhockeyfan
The fifth comment is critical.
Did you bother to read them?
F
rom the article: "Might WikiLeaks cause some unintended harm to diplomatic negotiations and U.S. interests around the world?"There is no "might" or "unintended" to it. The purpose of leaking these documents was not to reveal some grand scheme or conspiracy, instead they were meant to intentionally harm U.S. interests. Documents have revealed the names of our allies in Afghanistan and placed their lives at risk. Documents have revealed private communications from foreign dignitaries.
Assange himself has been sitting on bank information for several weeks in an attempt to manipulate U.S. financial interests. Others have acted in Assange's name and attacked internet commerce in this country.
What exactly did the Wikileaks documents do for the cause of freedom and justice? What great crime or conspiracy have they revealed?
The fact that the entire Middle East loathes and fears a nuclear Iran? Already knew that. The fact that China is becoming wary of North Korea, already knew that.
What are you trying to accomplish?
If you really are for truth and freedom of information, then reveal the names and addresses to all of those who have contributed to Wikileaks. Americans deserve to know who is funding the information jihad against their country.
Oh hey look, another one.
Wrong Michael. Illegally obtaining information, illegally releasing documents to which you are not the owner - actions taken by a person who is not even a citizen of this country. You are so hell bent on 'getting' Bush and company that you are now resorting to, aiding and abetting illegal methods of which the consequences are impossible to foresee. Consequences which could very well have a damning impact on us all, not just the guy you want to get. This is not the way to go about pursuing 'justice'.
Why not just say that most of the comments are supportive? Why the hyperbole?
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Gus Tue, Dec 14, 2010 7:29:58am |
re: #75 NJDhockeyfan
Michael Morre posted his reasons on HuffPo...
Why I'm Posting Bail Money for Julian Assange
Nothing but lots of support & love in the comments.
Michael Moore: still a blowhard.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Dec 14, 2010 7:30:05am |
re: #75 NJDhockeyfan
Michael Morre posted his reasons on HuffPo...
Why I'm Posting Bail Money for Julian Assange
Nothing but lots of support & love in the comments.
Gah... I tried to read his reasoning for why he's doing this and Moore over estimates Wikileaks VASTLY....
"We were taken to war in Iraq on a lie. Hundreds of thousands are now dead. Just imagine if the men who planned this war crime back in 2002 had had a WikiLeaks to deal with. They might not have been able to pull it off. The only reason they thought they could get away with it was because they had a guaranteed cloak of secrecy. That guarantee has now been ripped from them, and I hope they are never able to operate in secret again. "
Even if we grant his premise (the taken to Iraq on an intentional lie) Wikileaks would only have been able to break the story if somebody came forward and leaked it to them, its not like Assange had a team of hackers break through the Pnetagon's firewall and steal their data....
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reine.de.tout Tue, Dec 14, 2010 7:30:12am |
re: #62 Obdicut
You've got my email still, right? I can tell you if it was a phishing attempt, if you email it to me.
OK, will do.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Dec 14, 2010 7:31:59am |
re: #77 Gus 802
Michael Moore: still a blowhard.
He's the real Left Wing Equivalent of Rush Limbaugh more so than Keith Olberman... except once again (say it with me everybody!) without the position of influence Rush has within his party!
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reine.de.tout Tue, Dec 14, 2010 7:32:02am |
re: #61 darthstar
"Damn" isn't a very good password. Maybe try something a little longer.
Dayyum, dayyum, dayyum?????
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Gus Tue, Dec 14, 2010 7:35:19am |
re: #80 jamesfirecat
He's the real Left Wing Equivalent of Rush Limbaugh more so than Keith Olberman... except once again (say it with me everybody!) without the position of influence Rush has within his party!
Michael Moore is a Democrat? I thought he was in the Bolivarian Party. Nah, he's in the Michael Moore Party.
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CuriousLurker Tue, Dec 14, 2010 7:36:23am |
re: #58 reine.de.tout
It does have a link, but I NEVER use those links in e-mails, I go directly to a site.
That's a wise policy to have.
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Gus Tue, Dec 14, 2010 7:36:43am |
Wikileaks, Wikileaks, Wikileaks, Wikileaks, Wikileaks, Wikileaks, Wikileaks, Wikileaks, Wikileaks, Wikileaks, Wikileaks, Wikileaks, Wikileaks, Wikileaks...
"Learn that poem. Learn that poem..."
/
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jamesfirecat Tue, Dec 14, 2010 7:38:02am |
re: #82 Gus 802
Michael Moore is a Democrat? I thought he was in the Bolivarian Party. Nah, he's in the Michael Moore Party.
Technically somebody can be "on the left wing" without being a democrat.
Same way if Glenn Beck were to consider himself a Libertarian rather than a Conservative that wouldn't change the fact that he's a right winger....
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researchok Tue, Dec 14, 2010 7:39:03am |
re: #82 Gus 802
Michael Moore is a Democrat? I thought he was in the Bolivarian Party. Nah, he's in the Michael Moore Party.
A lot like Chomsky- he talks a good game but when it comes down to it, he looks out for his own best interests, causes be damned.
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darthstar Tue, Dec 14, 2010 7:40:19am |
re: #81 reine.de.tout
Dayyum, dayyum, dayyum???
Well, a southern damn is a good password, because no two people spell it alike.
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 14, 2010 7:41:07am |
re: #86 researchok
Chomsky is the king of taking it way too far.
He's the Kanye West of intellectuals.
However, modern computing wouldn't be as nearly advanced without him.
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researchok Tue, Dec 14, 2010 7:43:42am |
re: #88 Obdicut
Chomsky is the king of taking it way too far.
He's the Kanye West of intellectuals.
However, modern computing wouldn't be as nearly advanced without him.
Absolutely- and that is what he should stick to.
See this- (eye roll guarantee)
Profits For Me, But Not For Thee: The Utter Hypocrisy Of Noam Chomsky, Closet Capitalist
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Gus Tue, Dec 14, 2010 7:44:47am |
re: #86 researchok
A lot like Chomsky- he talks a good game but when it comes down to it, he looks out for his own best interests, causes be damned.
Celebrities. I thought "Bowling for Columbine" was a load of bullshit. Turns out that it was and many of his segment were just that -- fabricated BS for the camera. Then that whole gig that made Charlton Heston the central figure of a fabricated derangement to fit a pre-conceived narrative. The gun culture of the NRA, hunting, etc., has nothing to do with the psychotic pathology of Harris and Klebold and more than Marylin Manson had anything to do with it.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Dec 14, 2010 7:44:49am |
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darthstar Tue, Dec 14, 2010 7:44:51am |
Looks like Assange made bail. 200k GBP. He'll still be in custody for 48 hours while the prosecution appeals.
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 14, 2010 7:45:27am |
re: #89 researchok
Heh. He's a very good argument for the estate tax, through his own behavior.
He had a good moment outside of linguistics and computing when he challenged the idea of American exceptionalism and pointed out how often US troops were shamefully used to enforce the desires of corporations.
But then he just ran way, way, way too far away with that.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Dec 14, 2010 7:48:07am |
re: #95 Obdicut
Who posted it in the end?
I don't want to know what his cellmate did the past few days.
//
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darthstar Tue, Dec 14, 2010 7:49:07am |
re: #95 Obdicut
Who posted it in the end?
I could give a crap who posted his bail. I'm not invested in his story at all. Just saw it posted elsewhere and shared. Maybe Michael Moore? That would help feed the right-wing conspiracy theorists' wet dreams. Or maybe the US Government? That would feed the left-wing conspiracy theorists' wet dreams.
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 14, 2010 7:51:23am |
re: #97 darthstar
I'm hoping for the Rand Corporation. That'd blow everyone's minds.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Dec 14, 2010 7:52:12am |
re: #95 Obdicut
Who posted it in the end?
Here are a few mentioned...
Michael Moore heads Assange's bail pledge list
Michael Moore heads up a list of the great and good who have pledged their cash to see WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange released on bail.
...Also fronting money for Assange's release at today's hearing was restaurant designer Sarah Saunders, a personal friend of Assange, who told the court her £150,000 was "pretty much all [I'm] worth".
...Last week, pledges totalling £60,000 from journalist John Pilger, film-maker Ken Loach, socialite Jemima Khan and others failed to win over District Judge Howard Riddle, who said he believed there was a substantial risk of the WikiLeaks editor fleeing the country.
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researchok Tue, Dec 14, 2010 7:52:20am |
re: #90 Gus 802
Celebrities. I thought "Bowling for Columbine" was a load of bullshit. Turns out that it was and many of his segment were just that -- fabricated BS for the camera. Then that whole gig that made Charlton Heston the central figure of a fabricated derangement to fit a pre-conceived narrative. The gun culture of the NRA, hunting, etc., has nothing to do with the psychotic pathology of Harris and Klebold and more than Marylin Manson had anything to do with it.
All true.
Moore found a niche, is exploiting it and an uniformed public lines up to buy his product.
Michael Moore is a successful carnival, huckster- no more, no less. He gives us the illusion that we can win the prize (morals, ethics, truth) just by spending a few bucks.
You pay your money and get to walk around with a big stuffed animal- yesiree, you've proved your manhood.
Is this a great country or what?
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 14, 2010 7:53:14am |
re: #99 NJDhockeyfan
Yeah, I know who pledged, I wanted to know who actually got the 'privilege' of paying in the end.
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Gus Tue, Dec 14, 2010 7:53:19am |
re: #100 researchok
All true.
Moore found a niche, is exploiting it and an uniformed public lines up to buy his product.
Michael Moore is a successful carnival, huckster- no more, no less. He gives us the illusion that we can win the prize (morals, ethics, truth) just by spending a few bucks.
You pay your money and get to walk around with a big stuffed animal- yesiree, you've proved your manhood.
Is this a great country or what?
Why. Why. That almost sounds like. Gasp! Capitalism!
//Michael Moore is a capitalist?
/
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jamesfirecat Tue, Dec 14, 2010 7:53:48am |
re: #101 lawhawk
The Illuminati and Bilderbergers.
And who can forget the Stonecutters.
Who controls the British Crown?
Who keeps the Metric system down?
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darthstar Tue, Dec 14, 2010 7:54:19am |
re: #99 NJDhockeyfan
Damn...I was hoping it was a seekrit-mooslim plot involving President Obama and Kim Jong Il with Mel Gibson acting as courier.
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 14, 2010 7:54:45am |
re: #90 Gus 802
And there's a perfectly valid case to be made against the NRA, both as an overly-powerful lobby and as one that often represents industry concerns rather than promotes actual responsible gun ownership. But Moore wasn't interested in making that movie.
His movies always strike me as just woefully incomplete and rushed.
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darthstar Tue, Dec 14, 2010 7:55:34am |
re: #104 jamesfirecat
Who controls the British Crown?
Who keeps the Metric system down?
Base 10! Base 10! Base 10! Base 10! Base 10! Base 10! Base 10! Base 10! Base 10!
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Dec 14, 2010 7:56:02am |
re: #105 darthstar
Damn...I was hoping it was a seekrit-mooslim plot involving President Obama and Kim Jong Il with Mel Gibson acting as courier.
Sorry, you have to settle for wingnut Tea Party loving Palin supporting Nazis.
/
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researchok Tue, Dec 14, 2010 7:56:38am |
A while back Chomsky was saying how the Palestinians and Lebanese were living in fear of the Israelis and were actually quite terrified.
Perhaps a fence keeping the Israelis out might be in order.
Just a thought, Mr Chomsky.
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darthstar Tue, Dec 14, 2010 7:57:05am |
re: #108 NJDhockeyfan
Sorry, you have to settle for wingnut Tea Party loving Palin supporting Nazis.
/
Nice of you to give at this time of year...
/
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researchok Tue, Dec 14, 2010 7:58:14am |
re: #106 Obdicut
And there's a perfectly valid case to be made against the NRA, both as an overly-powerful lobby and as one that often represents industry concerns rather than promotes actual responsible gun ownership. But Moore wasn't interested in making that movie.
His movies always strike me as just woefully incomplete and rushed.
The NRA has never wavered from a safety first position.
Ever.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Dec 14, 2010 7:58:25am |
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Gus Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:00:22am |
re: #109 researchok
A while back Chomsky was saying how the Palestinians and Lebanese were living in fear of the Israelis and were actually quite terrified.
Perhaps a fence keeping the Israelis out might be in order.
Just a thought, Mr Chomsky.
But hey let's ignore a culture that wants to "kill all the Jews" and destroy Israel. They don't even want to make a simple move of recognizing the state of Israel. Meanwhile, they're randomly lobbing rockets into Israel and perpetrating other random acts of terrorism.
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laZardo Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:01:35am |
re: #113 Gus 802
But hey let's ignore a culture that wants to "kill all the Jews" and destroy Israel. They don't even want to make a simple move of recognizing the state of Israel. Meanwhile, they're randomly lobbing rockets into Israel and perpetrating other random acts of terrorism.
"It's all we can do to take back land that's been ours for millenia!"
/ow fuck headdesking
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:01:43am |
re: #111 researchok
Okay then. I can see you're really open to new information on this topic, so I'll be sure to engage with you.
/
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laZardo Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:02:15am |
re: #97 darthstar
I could give a crap who posted his bail. I'm not invested in his story at all. Just saw it posted elsewhere and shared. Maybe Michael Moore? That would help feed the right-wing conspiracy theorists' wet dreams. Or maybe the US Government? That would feed the left-wing conspiracy theorists' wet dreams.
How about the Cuban Communist Wikipedia?
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:02:38am |
The conditions of Assange's bail are that he has to wear an electronic tag, surrender his passport and not apply for international travel, remain at an address in Sussex and obey a curfew.District Judge Howard Riddle also ordered Assange to report to a local police station every evening.
What are the chances he suddenly disappears?
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:04:04am |
re: #117 NJDhockeyfan
Low. He'll be watched. Unless the Brits are fucking morons who want to look like incompetent Keystone Kops in front of the whole world.
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RogueOne Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:05:18am |
re: #38 Obdicut
You have a degree in missing the point. You're a PhD in obtuseness. You could give lectures at Because Shut Up University.
Yeah, but you've already repeatedly demonstrated you have no concept of how the concept of rights actually function.
OK, that first part was funny but if I had said "apples and oranges" you would have asked me to explain what I mean by "apple" and how did it apply to your aforementioned comment and tossed in some obscure fact regarding a historical figure and their use of a pear.
It's much simpler to break down, we disagree on the punishment deserved by both men. Hence my previous statement of why I never end up on juries.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:06:52am |
re: #119 RogueOne
OK, that first part was funny but if I had said "apples and oranges" you would have asked me to explain what I mean by "apple" and how did it apply to your aforementioned comment and tossed in some obscure fact regarding a historical figure and their use of a pear.
It's much simpler to break down, we disagree on the punishment deserved by both men. Hence my previous statement of why I never end up on juries.
I personally think the most important question to ask is why the f*** weren't the cops getting involved/interested if the father tried to go to them first, and what can we change to make sure that never happens again?
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:06:53am |
re: #119 RogueOne
OK, that first part was funny but if I had said "apples and oranges" you would have asked me to explain what I mean by "apple" and how did it apply to your aforementioned comment and tossed in some obscure fact regarding a historical figure and their use of a pear.
That probably sounded better in your head.
It's much simpler to break down, we disagree on the punishment deserved by both men. Hence my previous statement of why I never end up on juries.
The reason you don't belong on a jury is because you're completely ready to believe guilt without any actual evidence.
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laZardo Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:07:18am |
re: #118 Obdicut
Low. He'll be watched. Unless the Brits are fucking morons who want to look like incompetent Keystone Kops in front of the whole world.
For emphasis. Gotta love all those security cameras hanging about the place...
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:07:33am |
re: #88 Obdicut
Chomsky is the king of taking it way too far.
He's the Kanye West of intellectuals.
However, modern computing wouldn't be as nearly advanced without him.
Simple example: Chomsky signed a letter in defense of Faurisson's free speech during the latter's prosecution. Admirable in itself. But the letter characterized Faurisson as a respected professor, and his ignorant scribblings as extensive historical research. *FACEPALM*
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researchok Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:07:49am |
re: #115 Obdicut
Okay then. I can see you're really open to new information on this topic, so I'll be sure to engage with you.
/
You make it sound as if the NRA does not place safety as their top priority,
That simply isn't true.
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:08:22am |
re: #121 jamesfirecat
The cops probably weren't getting involved because the age of consent in Germany is 14 unless the minor themselves brings the complaint. So the relationship was legal, unless there was coercion.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:09:00am |
re: #123 laZardo
For emphasis. Gotta love all those security cameras hanging about the place...
I Santa suit would be very easy to use to walk past the security cameras in.
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Gus Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:09:23am |
re: #124 Sergey Romanov
Simple example: Chomsky signed a letter in defense of Faurisson's free speech during the latter's prosecution. Admirable in itself. But the letter characterized Faurisson as a respected professor, and his ignorant scribblings as extensive historical research. *FACEPALM*
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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jamesfirecat Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:10:36am |
re: #127 NJDhockeyfan
I Santa suit would be very easy to use to walk past the security cameras in.
///Shut up, shut up! Your giving away the plot for my Blockbuster Action Heist movie "Season's Griftings...."
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BishopX Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:11:07am |
re: #111 researchok
Except for when they back legislation mandating people be allowed to carry firearms in bars.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:11:10am |
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RogueOne Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:11:27am |
re: #122 Obdicut
That probably sounded better in your head.
The reason you don't belong on a jury is because you're completely ready to believe guilt without any actual evidence.
I'm not sure where you got that, do you have any evidence suggesting the man was in fact innocent or are you pulling out a "what if.." that doesn't actual pertain to the story being discussed?
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:11:39am |
re: #129 jamesfirecat
///Shut up, shut up! Your giving away the plot for my Blockbuster Action Heist movie "Season's Griftings..."
Try the Santa burka!
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Surabaya Stew Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:11:43am |
re: #124 Sergey Romanov
Simple example: Chomsky signed a letter in defense of Faurisson's free speech during the latter's prosecution. Admirable in itself. But the letter characterized Faurisson as a respected professor, and his ignorant scribblings as extensive historical research. *FACEPALM*
That's Chomsky in a nutshell. His usually acceptable positions come wrapped in a mound of inflated paranoia and exaggerated bullshit about the subject. Plus exagerated backgrounds and made-up facts. A shame, because he's really quite intelegent when he's not being stupid.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:12:19am |
re: #134 Surabaya Stew
A shame, because he's really quite intelegent when he's not being stupid.
Aren't we all?
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Gus Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:13:04am |
re: #134 Surabaya Stew
That's Chomsky in a nutshell. His usually acceptable positions come wrapped in a mound of inflated paranoia and exaggerated bullshit about the subject. Plus exagerated backgrounds and made-up facts. A shame, because he's really quite intelegent when he's not being stupid.
Intellectual paranoia layered in a sea of semantic topography.
//
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Surabaya Stew Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:13:22am |
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RogueOne Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:13:40am |
re: #135 jamesfirecat
Aren't we all?
I'd love to believe that but the answer is not just no but Hell No.
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:13:49am |
re: #132 RogueOne
I'm not sure where you got that, do you have any evidence suggesting the man was in fact innocent or are you pulling out a "what if.." that doesn't actual pertain to the story being discussed?
Heh. What evidence do you have that the man was, in fact, guilty? Especially given that, under German law, the relationship was legal unless the girl brought the charges?
So what was he 'guilty' of?
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Killgore Trout Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:14:33am |
Assange granted bail at London court hearing
Attorney Geoffrey Robertson told the court a person who knows Assange will keep him "if not under house arrest, at least under mansion arrest." At that, Assange, dressed in a white shirt and a blue jacket and sitting in a glassed-in corner of the court with three security guards, smiled wryly.
The mansion, belonging to Vaughan Smith, a former British army officer who founded London's Frontline Club, is within a mile of a police station, attorneys said, adding that Assange was prepared to wear a location tag, surrender his passport and agree not to apply for international travel documents.
I kinda doubt he'll stick around for trial.
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researchok Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:14:33am |
re: #113 Gus 802
But hey let's ignore a culture that wants to "kill all the Jews" and destroy Israel. They don't even want to make a simple move of recognizing the state of Israel. Meanwhile, they're randomly lobbing rockets into Israel and perpetrating other random acts of terrorism.
You raise a very nuanced point.
From a cultural/religious stance, you are absolutely correct. They have invested in decades of overt anti semitism and that won't go away overnight.
What is equally interesting to me is the political reasons they won't recognize Israel.
If they did, that would level the playing field- one nation versus another. That would only highlight their dysfunction as a society. They is no way they could make a credible showing vis a vis Israel.
let me put it this way. Our heroes create and save lives. Their heroes destroy and take lives. And that is just one small slice of the dysfunction.
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shutdown Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:14:58am |
Good morning. My next 48 hours:
Lake Effect Snow Warning
Special Weather Statement
Hazardous Weather Outlook
This Afternoon: Snow. The snow could be heavy at times. High near 18. Wind chill values as low as -1. Blustery, with a northwest wind between 17 and 20 mph, with gusts as high as 30 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. Total daytime snow accumulation of 3 to 7 inches possible.
Tonight: Snow. The snow could be heavy at times. Low around 15. Wind chill values as low as zero. Northwest wind between 13 and 17 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New snow accumulation of 5 to 9 inches possible.
Wednesday: Snow showers. High near 21. Breezy, with a northwest wind between 15 and 25 mph, with gusts as high as 37 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New snow accumulation of 3 to 7 inches possible.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:15:07am |
re: #140 Killgore Trout
Assange granted bail at London court hearing
I kinda doubt he'll stick around for trial.
I was thinking the same thing.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:15:39am |
re: #140 Killgore Trout
Assange granted bail at London court hearing
I kinda doubt he'll stick around for trial.
See 117, if he can get away with all of that then I will be impressed...
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RogueOne Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:16:13am |
re: #139 Obdicut
I'm curious as to where you keep coming up with the idea that the man was not in fact screwing the dads teenage daughter, are you looking at a different version of the story that I am? If in fact the man wasn't I would think that would be a big part of the story.
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researchok Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:16:37am |
re: #142 imp_62
Good morning. My next 48 hours:
Lake Effect Snow Warning
Special Weather Statement
Hazardous Weather OutlookThis Afternoon: Snow. The snow could be heavy at times. High near 18. Wind chill values as low as -1. Blustery, with a northwest wind between 17 and 20 mph, with gusts as high as 30 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. Total daytime snow accumulation of 3 to 7 inches possible.
Tonight: Snow. The snow could be heavy at times. Low around 15. Wind chill values as low as zero. Northwest wind between 13 and 17 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New snow accumulation of 5 to 9 inches possible.
Wednesday: Snow showers. High near 21. Breezy, with a northwest wind between 15 and 25 mph, with gusts as high as 37 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New snow accumulation of 3 to 7 inches possible.
Think Florida or California.
Then cry.
//
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:16:46am |
re: #141 researchok
let me put it this way. Our heroes create and save lives. Their heroes destroy and take lives. And that is just one small slice of the dysfunction.
This is far, far too blithe a way of putting it, and always has been. It insinuates that someone who saves a life in Palestine is not considered heroic. It insinuates that no one who takes a life in US culture is seen as heroic for doing it. This is wrong.
If they did, that would level the playing field- one nation versus another. That would only highlight their dysfunction as a society. They is no way they could make a credible showing vis a vis Israel.
I think if Palestine recognized Israel, the other Arab states would attempt to overthrow the government of Palestine.
It's not Palestine vs. Israel. It's every Middle Eastern Muslim country vs. Israel.
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shutdown Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:16:49am |
re: #143 NJDhockeyfan
I was thinking the same thing.
I disagree. Assange is all about publicity, so he wants as much court time as possible. Also, if he skips bail and goes underground, his physical well-being might be in danger.
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shutdown Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:17:31am |
re: #146 researchok
I like winter - this weather is awesome... I just hope the kids get a snow day so we can hang out and play.
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:18:12am |
re: #145 RogueOne
I'm curious as to where you keep coming up with the idea that the man was not in fact screwing the dads teenage daughter, are you looking at a different version of the story that I am? If in fact the man wasn't I would think that would be a big part of the story.
This is hilarious. You're absolutely proving my point over and over.
A) Maybe the girl was lying. Maybe they got the wrong guy. Maybe they were dating but not actually having sex. Yes, there's a bunch of 'what ifs', because that's what real life is actually like.
B) The relationship was legal under German law. So what was he 'guilty' of?
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RogueOne Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:18:21am |
re: #140 Killgore Trout
Assange granted bail at London court hearing
I kinda doubt he'll stick around for trial.
He should. From everything I've read the accusation doesn't sound like a slam dunk case and there might be a possibility that one of the accusers won't testify.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:19:34am |
re: #142 imp_62
Good morning. My next 48 hours:
Lake Effect Snow Warning
Special Weather Statement
Hazardous Weather OutlookThis Afternoon: Snow. The snow could be heavy at times. High near 18. Wind chill values as low as -1. Blustery, with a northwest wind between 17 and 20 mph, with gusts as high as 30 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. Total daytime snow accumulation of 3 to 7 inches possible.
Tonight: Snow. The snow could be heavy at times. Low around 15. Wind chill values as low as zero. Northwest wind between 13 and 17 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New snow accumulation of 5 to 9 inches possible.
Wednesday: Snow showers. High near 21. Breezy, with a northwest wind between 15 and 25 mph, with gusts as high as 37 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New snow accumulation of 3 to 7 inches possible.
You're getting what we usually have already "been there, done that" 3 or 4 times by now.
Our ski area west and north of here are doing fine, but the jet stream is just running a bit further north than normal, and the central and east mountains are just missing it all...
So far... a winter like this can mean a nasty early spring snow season.
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srjh Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:19:58am |
Assange originally turned himself in, will be watched like a hawk, and will be electronically tracked. He also stands a reasonable chance of fighting extradition to Sweden and an excellent chance of fighting extradition to the U.S. (in the event that they find something to charge him with), and even if he loses, he gets more media attention as a martyr.
He's not going anywhere.
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BishopX Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:20:12am |
re: #151 RogueOne
My personal guess is that he'll stick around unless the US files charges. Thne all bets are off.
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shutdown Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:20:44am |
re: #147 Obdicut
This is far, far too blithe a way of putting it, and always has been. It insinuates that someone who saves a life in Palestine is not considered heroic. It insinuates that no one who takes a life in US culture is seen as heroic for doing it. This is wrong.
I think if Palestine recognized Israel, the other Arab states would attempt to overthrow the government of Palestine.
It's not Palestine vs. Israel. It's every Middle Eastern Muslim country vs. Israel.
Not sure about this. I think the majority of ME Muslim governments will be relieved once they can start treating Palis like citizens of a sovereign, and the governing parties as diplomatic counterparts. It will allow them to tell Hamas to fuck off, and the Pali public to start working on creating a real society and economy that is not built on destroying a neighbouring state. Jordan, and probably many of the Gulf Emirates, would rather have more or less normal relations with Israel and tell the Palis where to stick it until they grow up.
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shutdown Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:23:16am |
re: #152 Walter L. Newton
You're getting what we usually have already "been there, done that" 3 or 4 times by now.
Our ski area west and north of here are doing fine, but the jet stream is just running a bit further north than normal, and the central and east mountains are just missing it all...
So far... a winter like this can mean a nasty early spring snow season.
This is our second go around following the first round last week; I worry about the spring melt, but it's too early to think about that. BTW I read a funny statistic today: 650 people are annually hospitalized in Paris after slipping on dog crap.
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:23:39am |
re: #156 imp_62
Why do you think that?
Using Israel as the boogeyman is how many of the ME countries keep control over their societies.
Jordan might be an exception, simply due to disliking the Palestinians more than the Israelis.
Up until 2008, they were the only country that 'boycotted' Hamas. Now they apparently have reached out to them.
[Link: www.jcpa.org...]
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Gus Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:24:19am |
Details...
British Court Frees Founder of WikiLeaks on Bail
LONDON — After a week in detention facing possible extradition, Julian Assange, the founder of the WikiLeaks antisecrecy group, was ordered released on $310,000 bail by a court on Tuesday as he challenges a Swedish prosecutor’s demand for his extradition to face questioning about alleged sex offenses.
Judge Howard Riddle ordered that Mr. Assange appear again in court on Jan. 11. He also said that between then and now he must reside at Ellingham Hall, a Georgian mansion in Bungay, eastern England, owned by Vaughan Smith, the founder of the Frontline Club, which is used mainly by journalists. Mr. Assange must spend every night at the mansion and will be electronically tagged so the police can track his movements, the judge said.
Additionally, Mr. Assange will be under curfew every day from 10 p.m. to 2 a.m. and from 10 a.m. to 2 p.m. and will be required to report daily to the police from 6 p.m. to 8 p.m. His passport is already with the police and, under the terms of his bail, he is not permitted to try to travel abroad.
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RogueOne Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:24:32am |
re: #150 Obdicut
This is hilarious. You're absolutely proving my point over and over.
A) Maybe the girl was lying. Maybe they got the wrong guy. Maybe they were dating but not actually having sex. Yes, there's a bunch of 'what ifs', because that's what real life is actually like.
B) The relationship was legal under German law. So what was he 'guilty' of?
You keep saying that without providing any links to suggest it's possible. It's also possible the girl is a sexual predator but I don't see anything in the story to suggest it. You keep reading between the lines when I was discussing the actual story. If you want to deal with a hypothetical situation I'd prefer a story about a 7' tall 18 yr old redheaded sexual predator that only likes men over the age of 40. Write about that story next time.
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RogueOne Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:25:31am |
re: #152 Walter L. Newton
I just received another quote request about a complex in Denver. I might bid it extra low just to spend the winter out there.
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:26:24am |
re: #160 RogueOne
You keep saying that without providing any links to suggest it's possible.
Why on earth do you think it's not possible? Seriously, how can you not consider that any of those scenarios are possible?
This is my point: You shouldn't serve on a jury because you automatically assume guilt because guilt was asserted.
I mean, even beyond that what you're talking about is guilt for something that's not even illegal.
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researchok Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:27:00am |
re: #147 Obdicut
This is far, far too blithe a way of putting it, and always has been. It insinuates that someone who saves a life in Palestine is not considered heroic. It insinuates that no one who takes a life in US culture is seen as heroic for doing it. This is wrong.
I think if Palestine recognized Israel, the other Arab states would attempt to overthrow the government of Palestine.
It's not Palestine vs. Israel. It's every Middle Eastern Muslim country vs. Israel.
I'm not talking about the occasional instance you are referring to. I am referring to an entire broken society.
They build monuments to killers and name schools after them.
The celebrate terror attacks against civilians. They 'promise to finish what Hitler started'.
I could go one. but if you believe this is not an indicator of a broken society or culture, there is a real flaw in your understanding of what is healthy and what is not.
Now, you are right to note the issue is not just about the Palestinians. The entire Arab world is broken. Period. Let me point to something that illustrates that clearly.
In the Arab world, if you go to a psychiatrist, therapist, behaviorist, etc, and say' You know, I really don't want to kill Israelis. I don't want to hate Jews. I really hope we can make peace and even get along with America.'
In the Arab world, that is considered a mental illness and defect.
Just because they wear pants, eat KFC and use cellphones does not make them equal to a civilized society.
See my sidebar, 'Middle East' for some redacted work product on the subject.
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shutdown Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:27:17am |
re: #158 Obdicut
Why do you think that?
Using Israel as the boogeyman is how many of the ME countries keep control over their societies.
Jordan might be an exception, simply due to disliking the Palestinians more than the Israelis.
Up until 2008, they were the only country that 'boycotted' Hamas. Now they apparently have reached out to them.
[Link: www.jcpa.org...]
I specifically pointed to Jordan and wealthy - and comparatively stable - emirates. These parties (along with Egypt) benefit from being able to table the Palestine issue and focus on combatting internal Islamic extremist elements while enjoying trade benefits with the most technologically advanced country in the region. In the end, it's all about the Benjamins, and staying in power to enjoy them. Syria and Iran would be the real losers once the Palis have a sovereign state within recognized borders.
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Gus Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:27:21am |
re: #159 Gus 802
Details...
If he's supposed to spend every night in this mansion how come the first curfew is from 10 PM to 2 AM? Methinks the NY Times got the times wrong.
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:27:24am |
re: #161 Gus 802
Well, with an electronic tracking cuff, the curfew doesn't matter so much.
It seems more designed so he can't party.
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:29:12am |
re: #165 imp_62
I specifically pointed to Jordan and wealthy - and comparatively stable - emirates.
Then why don't the UAE states boycott and/or disown Hamas?
Syria and Iran would be the real losers once the Palis have a sovereign state within recognized borders.
And Saudi Arabia, which uses hatred of the Jews and Israel as a tool of control for their own population.
And the other Middle Eastern states that do likewise.
I.e. all of them, other than perhaps Jordan.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:29:19am |
re: #167 Obdicut
Well, with an electronic tracking cuff, the curfew doesn't matter so much.
It seems more designed so he can't party.
Reminds me of an old dirty joke...
"In my village all the women have to be in bed by 9"
"BOOO!"
"But they don't have to be home till 3!"
"YAY!"
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researchok Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:29:37am |
re: #166 Gus 802
If he's supposed to spend every night in this mansion how come the first curfew is from 10 PM to 2 AM? Methinks the NY Times got the times wrong.
And now he'll have access to a computer...
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researchok Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:30:31am |
re: #168 Obdicut
Arab culture isn't monolithic.
Actually, it is for the most part- certainly when it comes to Israel.
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Gus Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:31:26am |
re: #171 researchok
And now he'll have access to a computer...
2 AM to go out for a walk. I think a 10 PM to 7 AM curfew would make more sense. Who knows maybe it's so he can go to a law office to make conference calls with his US allies.
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researchok Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:31:57am |
re: #173 Gus 802
2 AM to go out for a walk. I think a 10 PM to 7 AM curfew would make more sense. Who knows maybe it's so he can go to a law office to make conference calls with his US allies.
Take that to the bank.
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Surabaya Stew Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:32:10am |
re: #172 researchok
Actually, it is for the most part- certainly when it comes to Israel.
Arab governments, agreed. The Arab people are not monolithic in their thinking however, which is what I presume Obdi was refering to.
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lawhawk Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:32:14am |
re: #136 Gus 802
And impenetrable jargon layered in a melange of dense language.
But, as with most everything Chomsky does, the conversation has steered away from Assange and his purported criminality on to Chomsky. That's just as Chomsky likes it.
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CuriousLurker Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:32:58am |
re: #121 jamesfirecat
I personally think the most important question to ask is why the f*** weren't the cops getting involved/interested if the father tried to go to them first, and what can we change to make sure that never happens again?
My guess is that 17 is old enough for consent under German law. As a matter of fact, Wikipedia says it's 14 in Germany.
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researchok Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:34:20am |
re: #175 Surabaya Stew
Arab governments, agreed. The Arab people are not monolithic in their thinking however, which is what I presume Obdi was refering to.
I was referring to Arab governments, of course.
When all is said and done, they are the ones Israel and the west must deal with- and the level of dysfunction is astounding. See my 164.
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:34:29am |
re: #172 researchok
They're still human, man. There are a lot of different cultures there, and they're not monolithic.
There is a very large consensus about Israel and Jews, which is terrible and horrible and continually fed by state propaganda, including from Saudi Arabia, who are our allies in peace.
The Muslim Middle Eastern governments consciously use anti-Israel and anti-Semitic propaganda to control their populations. That has had a huge effect on their culture, but it doesn't mean that you can extrapolate from that into this 'clash of civilizations' malarkey.
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lawhawk Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:36:07am |
re: #175 Surabaya Stew
After decades of listening to Arab leaders calling for Israel's destruction and considering it an abomination - in the religious and secular sense - Arabs (and Persians), refuse to recognize Israel's legitimacy. The indoctrination runs hard and deep.
So, now if the Arab leaders turn around and call for peace with Israel - accepting a 2-state solution, they run headlong into the movement they've been incubating for 60+ years, with the more violent members of that movement ascribing to terrorism and going after those within the Arab world who are willing to stand up to the status quo on Israel. It will take a sea change of not only the Arab leaders and their acceptance of a 2-state solution, but the Arab street accepting a 2-state solution and standing up to the jihadis and terror groups that kill those who oppose their nihilistic fantasties of jihad and liberation of Israel from the Jews.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:37:45am |
re: #157 imp_62
This is our second go around following the first round last week; I worry about the spring melt, but it's too early to think about that. BTW I read a funny statistic today: 650 people are annually hospitalized in Paris after slipping on dog crap.
Must all be tourists. If I remember correctly, Paris has "curbing" laws, but in the past, at least up to the last time I was there (Jan. 2007), there wasn't much evidence of the French obeying the law. The per capita dog ownership is much higher in France than many other countries. Leash laws are not well observed either. And many restaurants have no problem with a patron being in their dog.
But don't ask for a doggy bag... it's frowned upon.
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researchok Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:38:30am |
re: #179 Obdicut
They're still human, man. There are a lot of different cultures there, and they're not monolithic.
There is a very large consensus about Israel and Jews, which is terrible and horrible and continually fed by state propaganda, including from Saudi Arabia, who are our allies in peace.
The Muslim Middle Eastern governments consciously use anti-Israel and anti-Semitic propaganda to control their populations. That has had a huge effect on their culture, but it doesn't mean that you can extrapolate from that into this 'clash of civilizations' malarkey.
Obdi, you are right when you speak of individuals or small groups. That said, they are few in number and they have no real influence. They live in totalitarian regimes. They are taught to hate from birth.
This is more than a bit in my bailiwick. From a Saudi blogger:
Imagine that in the West, you had a school system which sat the children down each day and fed them a tumbler of whisky. They might not like it at first, but they would eventually get used to it. Later on, they would start to look forward to it. By the time they left school, a fair proportion of them would be alcoholics. Perhaps not a problem if they kept it to themselves, but the ones who went out and drove over people or otherwise killed them would start to be a concern. So you would have to start a program of drying-out clinics, to cure them. And they might be successful, although there's no such thing as a cured alcoholic, just one who hasn't had a drink for a length of time. And you might just question the wisdom of spending money and effort creating alcoholics, only to have to spend more money and effort to cure them later.
In Saudi Arabia, we don't feed our children alcohol. Instead, we feed them race hate. It's a progressive thing, building up layer by layer, using the material you see above. Thankfully, many forget it, just like we all forget algebra and bits of history. But there is a proportion for whom it sticks. They are our "alcoholics". And their hatred extends not only to Jews worldwide, but also the countries that are seen to support them – North America, Europe, Australasia. And a proportion of these decide to do something about it, and sign up with the terrorist groups. Eventually they might get caught, and repatriated. And we have our own "drying-out clinics". It's a program where we get people to talk them round, to see the error of their ways, to be rehabilitated. And unlike a drying-out clinic, we keep them in prison in between times, so you can imagine that the "success rate" is a lot higher.
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Political Atheist Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:39:28am |
re: #168 Obdicut
Arab culture isn't monolithic.
Maybe not but it is "broken" as your #179 supports. When you underpin your policies on hate, you are broken.
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Surabaya Stew Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:41:11am |
re: #178 researchok
I was referring to Arab governments, of course.
When all is said and done, they are the ones Israel and the west must deal with- and the level of dysfunction is astounding. See my 164.
For the Arab governments (and too many of the peoples, sadly), Israel-hating is a convient way of ignoring their considerable social problems. Israelis will not be able to live in peace until this stops.
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:43:07am |
re: #183 Rightwingconspirator
It isn't an it, because it isn't monolithic.
When one starts talking about how Arab culture (which is rather inaccurate, given Iran) is the problem, it hides the actual problem, which is what is influencing the culture. That would be the hyperwealthy oligarchical interests in control of those countries who use anti-Israel and anti-Jewish rhetoric as a tool of control.
And Saudi Arabai, the country most responsible for that propaganda, is our ally.
We are not innocent in this. We have feet on both sides of the fence. Because we depend on oil.
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researchok Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:44:24am |
re: #184 Surabaya Stew
For the Arab governments (and too many of the peoples, sadly), Israel-hating is a convient way of ignoring their considerable social problems. Israelis will not be able to live in peace until this stops.
We are a long way from it stopping.
If there were a peace treaty tomorrow, it would take 30 years for a new societal generation to grow up and not instinctively hate.
And that is assuming there is no hate taught.
In postwar Germany, it took 20 years- and that was with ordnung.
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Romantic Heretic Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:46:59am |
re: #41 reine.de.tout
Ditto from the arctic cold of Louisiana (26 degrees here - brrr - the heater in my house can't keep up!)
-10C (15F) here in Toronto. A little cold for December but not by much.
Shrugs. When I was young I had to work outdoors at night in Northern British Columbia. Hit -45C (-50F) on occasion. I use that as a benchmark.
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researchok Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:47:18am |
re: #185 Obdicut
It isn't an it, because it isn't monolithic.
When one starts talking about how Arab culture (which is rather inaccurate, given Iran) is the problem, it hides the actual problem, which is what is influencing the culture. That would be the hyperwealthy oligarchical interests in control of those countries who use anti-Israel and anti-Jewish rhetoric as a tool of control.
And Saudi Arabai, the country most responsible for that propaganda, is our ally.
We are not innocent in this. We have feet on both sides of the fence. Because we depend on oil.
Actually, Egypt, the Palestinians and the Syrians, to a lesser degree, produce most of the anti semitic rhetoric nowadays.
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shutdown Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:49:36am |
re: #169 Obdicut
Then why don't the UAE states boycott and/or disown Hamas?
And Saudi Arabia, which uses hatred of the Jews and Israel as a tool of control for their own population.
And the other Middle Eastern states that do likewise.
I.e. all of them, other than perhaps Jordan.
There is a group think amongst ME Muslim governments that is directed by the Saudi theocrats. Once the political reason for it is gone, many of these governments will be able to go there own way with Israel. Remember, none of these folks are big fans of the Palis per se; they merely instrumentalize them for political purposes.
Besides, something is definitely afoot, even as we write here. Turkey would not be looking for a way to reconcile with Israel if there were no reason. The Turks don't want to be left behind in developing (maintaining?) their special relationship with Israel, especially with EU membership looking ever less likely - and possibly less desirable - than it ever has.
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researchok Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:49:43am |
re: #185 Obdicut
The Iranians are a separate issue.
They hate they produce is less accepted by their population (save the groups populated by the Revolutionary Guard).
The problem is other than the regime, there are no groups we can deal with. They are powerless.
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:51:48am |
re: #188 researchok
I'm sorry, can you back that up, please? And are you saying those three countries combined are a bigger problem than Saudi Arabia?
It's a systemic problem in the Middle Eastern Muslim world, certainly. But Saudi Arabia, from everything I've seen, continues to be the largest source.
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:52:27am |
Did anyone else notice this?
Henry E. Hudson, the federal judge in Virginia who just ruled health care reform unconstitutional, owns between $15,000 and $50,000 in a GOP political consulting firm that worked against health care reform.
doesn't appearances of impropriety mean anything anymore?
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:52:58am |
re: #189 imp_62
Remember, none of these folks are big fans of the Palis per se; they merely instrumentalize them for political purposes.
That's my point. They don't care about Palestine, and so are perfectly fine with prolonging the conflict since it benefits them in terms of giving their population a boogeyman to focus on.
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McSpiff Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:53:27am |
re: #132 RogueOne
I'm not sure where you got that, do you have any evidence suggesting the man was in fact innocent or are you pulling out a "what if.." that doesn't actual pertain to the story being discussed?
Guilty until proven innocent...? Uh, no. Not how its done.
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researchok Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:54:42am |
re: #191 Obdicut
I'm sorry, can you back that up, please? And are you saying those three countries combined are a bigger problem than Saudi Arabia?
It's a systemic problem in the Middle Eastern Muslim world, certainly. But Saudi Arabia, from everything I've seen, continues to be the largest source.
Yes, they are. It wasn't always that way but since the latter half of the Bush administration and now the Obama administration, this is a reality.
Obdi, this is a part of what I do for a living. I get paid for this and i've been doing it for a long time.
Like I said, see my sidebar, 'Middle East' for some redacted work product.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:55:09am |
re: #192 bloodstar
Did anyone else notice this?
doesn't appearances of impropriety mean anything anymore?
Not surprising. I think there's a good chance his decision is going to be overturned on appeal before it gets to the Supreme court.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:57:20am |
re: #194 McSpiff
Guilty until proven innocent...? Uh, no. Not how its done.
What are you, some kind of pinko commie librul?
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:01:01am |
re: #195 researchok
I'm sorry, but I know plenty of people who also do this for a living, and they disagree with you. So claims of personal authority aren't going to cut it with me.
What in your redacted work product is supposed to point to this shift? I don't see anything.
The point is rather moot, given that Saudi Arabia is still a huge producer of anti-Israel propaganda, still our ally, and we're still so compromised in the Middle East in general because of oil.
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:01:40am |
re: #198 Obdicut
Seriously? That's kinda ridiculous.
I know it's Gawker, but I don't think the hackers would bother putting up fake stories. ;)
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researchok Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:02:39am |
re: #199 Obdicut
I'm sorry, but I know plenty of people who also do this for a living, and they disagree with you. So claims of personal authority aren't going to cut it with me.
What in your redacted work product is supposed to point to this shift? I don't see anything.
The point is rather moot, given that Saudi Arabia is still a huge producer of anti-Israel propaganda, still our ally, and we're still so compromised in the Middle East in general because of oil.
You're right Obdi.
As always.
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:03:16am |
re: #201 researchok
If I'm wrong, I'm always happy to find out, so I can be right in the future.
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CuriousLurker Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:03:33am |
re: #194 McSpiff
Guilty until proven innocent...? Uh, no. Not how its done.
Not only was she of the age of consent under German law, she would've also been of age in most of the U.S. assuming there was no coercion involved. I suppose if there was, the police would've gotten involved.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:04:27am |
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:04:53am |
Breaking:
Police Confirm Davlin Found Dead in Home
Springfield Police Chief Robert Williams has confirmed that Springfield Mayor Tim Davlin has been found dead in his home.
Williams says police received a 911 call reporting shots fired this morning for Davlin’s address. Police were sent to investigate and found an unresponsive white male. Emergency personnel rendered aid but the person was deceased.
The investigation has been turned over to the Illinois State Police.
How terrible!
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:05:53am |
re: #201 researchok
Incidentally, do you know Mark Plattner or anyone else at [Link: www.journalofdemocracy.org...]
?
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CuriousLurker Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:06:35am |
I'm out. Gotta get some work done this morning. BBL
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Gus Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:06:35am |
re: #192 bloodstar
Did anyone else notice this?
doesn't appearances of impropriety mean anything anymore?
He was reporting this ownership as required by law. The law only requires that a range of ownership be submitted. So legally, his ownership followed disclosure requirements. As to whether or not Hudson should have recused himself, that would be a different matter. The "defense" should have done their homework at the time of the trial and brought this matter up during said trial.
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Big Steve Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:07:01am |
Just got done reading Michael Moore's explanation about what a great thing wikileaks is. His vast historical perspective goes all the way bay to the Gulf War where he says that if wikileaks had existed and documents had been leaked the War would not have happened. Well why start there. How bout if wikileaks had been around during WWII, someone could have leaked about the atom bomb. Hey how about during the Revolutionary War.....could have leaked that Washington was planning to cross the Delaware at Trenton. Would this all have been grand for our country!
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:07:15am |
re: #204 Killgore Trout
Wonderful... and for the purists... that area below and south of the Tour is the Champs de Mars.
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researchok Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:08:07am |
re: #202 Obdicut
If I'm wrong, I'm always happy to find out, so I can be right in the future.
Never before have I ever asserted any kind of definitive expertise here.
Until now. And that assertion is well defined. I have earned it and stand by it. Discussing the cultural/behavioral realities in the Middle East is something I am most comfortable.
I would be happy to discuss my work with anyone else in the field with experience and expertise in the area.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:08:30am |
re: #209 Big Steve
Just got done reading Michael Moore's explanation about what a great thing wikileaks is. His vast historical perspective goes all the way bay to the Gulf War where he says that if wikileaks had existed and documents had been leaked the War would not have happened. Well why start there. How bout if wikileaks had been around during WWII, someone could have leaked about the atom bomb. Hey how about during the Revolutionary War...could have leaked that Washington was planning to cross the Delaware at Trenton. Would this all have been grand for our country!
Someone did try to leak that. The commanding officer of the Hessians was determined not to do business on Christmas eve and put the note in his pocket, to be read the next day.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:08:54am |
re: #211 researchok
Never before have I ever asserted any kind of definitive expertise here.
Until now. And that assertion is well defined. I have earned it and stand by it. Discussing the cultural/behavioral realities in the Middle East is something I am most comfortable.
I would be happy to discuss my work with anyone else in the field with experience and expertise in the area.
Try Barrett Brown.
//
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:08:55am |
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researchok Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:09:24am |
re: #210 Walter L. Newton
Wonderful... and for the purists... that area below and south of the Tour is the Champs de Mars.
I believe that is the French version of crop circles.
/
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Killgore Trout Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:09:58am |
Why I'm Posting Bail Money for Julian Assange
by Michael Moore
Yesterday, in the Westminster Magistrates Court in London, the lawyers for WikiLeaks co-founder Julian Assange presented to the judge a document from me stating that I have put up $20,000 of my own money to help bail Mr. Assange out of jail.
Furthermore, I am publicly offering the assistance of my website, my servers, my domain names and anything else I can do to keep WikiLeaks alive and thriving as it continues its work to expose the crimes that were concocted in secret and carried out in our name and with our tax dollars.
We were taken to war in Iraq on a lie. Hundreds of thousands are now dead. Just imagine if the men who planned this war crime back in 2002 had had a WikiLeaks to deal with. They might not have been able to pull it off. The only reason they thought they could get away with it was because they had a guaranteed cloak of secrecy. That guarantee has now been ripped from them, and I hope they are never able to operate in secret again.
So why is WikiLeaks, after performing such an important public service, under such vicious attack?
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:10:02am |
re: #215 researchok
I believe that is the French version of crop circles.
/
Which is not to be confused with Paris "crap circles"
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researchok Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:10:04am |
re: #213 Walter L. Newton
Try Barrett Brown.
//
That was bad.
Bless your heart, as they say down here...
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researchok Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:10:33am |
re: #217 Walter L. Newton
Which is not to be confused with Paris "crap circles"
I can smell the pissoirs from here...
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Gus Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:12:28am |
re: #209 Big Steve
...Hey how about during the Revolutionary War...could have leaked that Washington was planning to cross the Delaware at Trenton. Would this all have been grand for our country!
It would have prevented bloodshed and the British and Americans would have negotiated a peace!
//
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:12:49am |
re: #211 researchok
I still don't know if you're asserting those three nations combined are larger publishers and funders of anti-Israel, anti-Semitic propaganda, or if they each are on their own.
And again, it's a moot point, since what I'm saying is that we, the US, are compromised in our actions in the Middle East due to our dependence on oil.
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:14:01am |
re: #216 Killgore Trout
Why aren't reporters asking these guys about Wikileaks posting the hacked and edited CRU emails?
Oh, right, because journalism is basically dead.
Oh well.
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Big Steve Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:14:52am |
re: #212 EmmmieG
Someone did try to leak that. The commanding officer of the Hessians was determined not to do business on Christmas eve and put the note in his pocket, to be read the next day.
Bet Hillary Clinton would love to put a lot of the wikileaks in her back pocket!
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:16:12am |
re: #219 researchok
I can smell the pissoirs from here...
I have seen males in Paris urinating in small alleys, or against walls in niches and alcoves. But there is also a good number of public "tawlettes" kiosks scattered around Paris proper.
When they were first put on the streets, there was a 2 franc charge, but that outraged the French, and eventually they were accessible free of charge.
When you are done using them, make sure you don't dilly-dally inside. They have sensors which know when you have done your "duty" and moved away from the toilet and sinks... and they spray all the insides with water and a disinfectant... and if you linger, you'll get a free shower.
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
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lawhawk Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:17:09am |
re: #214 Sergey Romanov
Seriously, that too is a ripoff. This does it so much more emphatically. /
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:17:48am |
re: #224 Walter L. Newton
More pictures of Paris curbside public restrooms...
[Link: www.google.com...]
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:20:33am |
Court to hear case of birther who wouldn't deploy
A military court was set to hear the case Tuesday of an Army doctor charged with refusing to deploy to Afghanistan because he says he doubts whether President Barack Obama was born in the U.S. and therefore questions his eligibility to be commander in chief.
Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin, an 18-year-Army veteran, disobeyed orders to report earlier this year to Fort Campbell in Kentucky to prepare for deployment, saying he believed the orders were illegal.
In videos posted on YouTube, Lakin aligned himself with so-called "birthers" who question whether Obama is a natural-born citizen as the U.S. Constitution requires for presidents.
Lakin says in the videos that any reasonable person looking at available evidence would have questions about Obama's eligibility to be president and that he had "no choice" but to disobey orders. Lakin, a native of Greeley, Colo., said he would "gladly deploy" if Obama's original birth certificate were released and proved authentic.
What an idiot.
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Big Steve Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:21:27am |
re: #196 Killgore Trout
Not surprising. I think there's a good chance his decision is going to be overturned on appeal before it gets to the Supreme court.
possibly but do note that only 8 SCOTUS members will rule (Sotomayor will recuse since she helped draft the legislation)
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Political Atheist Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:22:03am |
re: #192 bloodstar
Did anyone else notice this?
doesn't appearances of impropriety mean anything anymore?
That is important, but the following may be factually correct in any case... I do not have the skills to confirm this
Note that the power to regulate insurers and or add a public option is not impacted by this ruling.
SNIP
He wrote that this individual mandate "exceeds the constitutional boundaries of congressional power."
Never have the courts, Hudson's 42-page opinion said, "extended Commerce Clause powers to compel an individual to involuntarily enter the stream of commerce by purchasing a commodity in the private market."
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jamesfirecat Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:22:54am |
re: #212 EmmmieG
Someone did try to leak that. The commanding officer of the Hessians was determined not to do business on Christmas eve and put the note in his pocket, to be read the next day.
You know what's sad?
I didn't learn that fact from any book, but thanks to Cracked...
[Link: www.cracked.com...]
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:22:55am |
re: #111 researchok
The NRA has never wavered from a safety first position.
Ever.
lol
They tend to supplement their "safety first" position with an "Obama wants to take all your guns and put you in camps" position.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:24:14am |
re: #228 Big Steve
possibly but do note that only 8 SCOTUS members will rule (Sotomayor will recuse since she helped draft the legislation)
Wow... um... what happens if the Supreme court is deadlocked 4-4?
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:25:09am |
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:25:30am |
re: #232 jamesfirecat
Wow... um... what happens if the Supreme court is deadlocked 4-4?
Tie goes to the runner.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:26:04am |
re: #230 jamesfirecat
You know what's sad?
I didn't learn that fact from any book, but thanks to Cracked...
[Link: www.cracked.com...]
History reads best as a narrative. I actually think kids would learn about history if we had a good, comprehensive set of historical novels than they do from textbooks.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:26:45am |
re: #229 Rightwingconspirator
That is important, but the following may be factually correct in any case... I do not have the skills to confirm this
Note that the power to regulate insurers and or add a public option is not impacted by this ruling.SNIP
He wrote that this individual mandate "exceeds the constitutional boundaries of congressional power."
Never have the courts, Hudson's 42-page opinion said, "extended Commerce Clause powers to compel an individual to involuntarily enter the stream of commerce by purchasing a commodity in the private market."
What if we view it as a flat tax on everyone and everyone who buys insurance gets credit to cover said tax?
I'm pretty sure that is within congress' power....
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:26:48am |
Students staple 14-year-old to classroom wall
A Texas mother said her son was stapled to a wall by classmates, and his teacher did nothing to stop it.
Mary Koch said her 14-year-old boy was pinned to a wall with a staple gun during his 5th period class at Carrizo Springs High School last week.
"They are supposed to protect him," Koch said. "They weren't doing that. If that nail gun would have gotten out of place, he could have gotten hurt or he could have gotten killed."
Koch said she knows some of her son's classmates took cell phone footage of the incident, which has been confiscated by the district.
She also said no one there did anything to help her son, including the teacher.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:27:49am |
re: #235 EmmmieG
History reads best as a narrative. I actually think kids would learn about history if we had a good, comprehensive set of historical novels than they do from textbooks.
At the very least you could learn wars that way pretty easily...
They're the best most exciting parts of History after all....
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:27:53am |
re: #238 Shropshire_Slasher
They don't wear pants under their robes anyway.
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KingKenrod Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:27:54am |
re: #232 jamesfirecat
Wow... um... what happens if the Supreme court is deadlocked 4-4?
The ruling of the lower court stands.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:28:03am |
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jamesfirecat Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:28:40am |
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Big Steve Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:30:02am |
re: #241 KingKenrod
The ruling of the lower court stands.
correct....so in this case the current ruling would stand. However it is likely the High Court will bundle multiple rulings together which makes ties a little more dicey.
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Big Steve Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:30:53am |
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Gus Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:32:00am |
re: #246 Big Steve
you are correct...my bad...Kagan will recuse not Sotamayor.
I was curious and looked for Sotamayor and couldn't find anything. Then I searched for Kagan.
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lawhawk Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:34:39am |
re: #232 jamesfirecat
This situation came up in a case just released earlier this week. It, however, limits the ruling to the circuit from which the decision originated.
After Costco's sale of 43 watches in 2004, Omega sued and claimed Costco's actions amounted to copyright infringement.A federal judge ruled for Costco, but the appeals court sided with Omega.
The Supreme Court deadlocked because Justice Elena Kagan did not participate in the case, presumably because she had been involved with it previously as solicitor general. She has recused herself from a number of cases, but this was the first one so far that ended up with a tie vote.
It doesn't happen all that often, but a split vote can happen (such as when a justice recuses themselves, or there is an opening on the bench (due to death, illness, infirmity, etc.)
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RogueOne Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:34:55am |
re: #194 McSpiff
Guilty until proven innocent...? Uh, no. Not how its done.
Not quite the argument. Obdi wants to argue a hypothetical and I don't really want to argue anything. I never said the law should let him go, I never argued the girl was innocent, I never said the law should be changed to allow one behavior over another. If I'm going to have to add a dozen qualifiers when commenting on a news article it's easier just to let it go.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:35:26am |
New at the Itunes store...
Description
PatriotAppTM deputizes your iPhone or iPad! It is the world’s first app that allows citizens to assist government agencies in creating safer, cleaner, and more efficient communities. The easy to use graphical interface allows you to report pertinent information to government agencies and share.
[Link: itunes.apple.com...]
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Political Atheist Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:35:42am |
re: #236 jamesfirecat
That might work, but I have no law schooling
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Obdicut Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:36:41am |
re: #249 RogueOne
You fail to realize you're arguing a hypothetical too.
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RogueOne Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:38:04am |
re: #252 Obdicut
You fail to realize you're arguing a hypothetical too.
You fail still to point out any part of the story that is in question.
On that note, I'm going to let it go!
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Gus Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:38:58am |
re: #250 Walter L. Newton
New at the Itunes store...
Description
PatriotAppTM deputizes your iPhone or iPad! It is the world’s first app that allows citizens to assist government agencies in creating safer, cleaner, and more efficient communities. The easy to use graphical interface allows you to report pertinent information to government agencies and share.[Link: itunes.apple.com...]
Throw that in with an iPhone app to report drivers.
[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]
Just what we need. A bunch of citizen cops reporting everything and anything to the authorities. Not that there's anything wrong with that but I can see this being abused and getting out of hand.
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:39:14am |
re: #253 RogueOne
You fail still to point out any part of the story that is in question.
On that note, I'm going to let it go!
The part where the age of consent is below 17. Is it? (In Germany)
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:39:51am |
re: #254 Gus 802
Throw that in with an iPhone app to report drivers.
[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]
Just what we need. A bunch of citizen cops reporting everything and anything to the authorities. Not that there's anything wrong with that but I can see this being abused and getting out of hand.
Wikileaks!
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RogueOne Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:40:10am |
re: #250 Walter L. Newton
New at the Itunes store...
Description
PatriotAppTM deputizes your iPhone or iPad! It is the world’s first app that allows citizens to assist government agencies in creating safer, cleaner, and more efficient communities. The easy to use graphical interface allows you to report pertinent information to government agencies and share.[Link: itunes.apple.com...]
Great, a handy way to spy on the neighbors and let someone make money off of it!
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:40:11am |
re: #254 Gus 802
Note the use of the word "patriot" in the title. And people wonder why patriotism makes me suspicious.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:40:50am |
re: #259 Fozzie Bear
Note the use of the word "patriot" in the title. And people wonder why patriotism makes me suspicious.
I just reported you.
//
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garhighway Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:40:57am |
re: #245 Big Steve
correct...so in this case the current ruling would stand. However it is likely the High Court will bundle multiple rulings together which makes ties a little more dicey.
That's the part I am not sure of, either. If the case comes from multiple circuits where some upheld and others did not, then I am not sure what a tie does. I would think that in such a case the Court would be highly motivated to NOT tie, but this bunch is so polarized, it is hard to tell.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:41:51am |
re: #259 Fozzie Bear
Note the use of the word "patriot" in the title. And people wonder why patriotism makes me suspicious.
Patriotism is an often misunderstood and misused concept.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:44:58am |
re: #262 Killgore Trout
Patriotism is an often misunderstood and misused concept.
Not when it's used to make money.
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Gus Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:45:42am |
Looks like a paranoia app to me. Here's a screenshot:
Image: mzl.jipyckaw.320x480-75.jpg
Imagine walking around looking at that all day?
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:47:04am |
re: #264 Gus 802
Looks like a paranoia app to me. Here's a screenshot:
Image: mzl.jipyckaw.320x480-75.jpg
Imagine walking around looking at that all day?
Where is the icon for "Zombie Apocalypse?"
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Gus Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:47:38am |
I've got a new invention. It's called the iPhone-Destructo-App&tread;. One click of a button and it destroys all iPhones within a 1 block radius.
//
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Gus Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:48:11am |
re: #266 Gus 802
I've got a new invention. It's called the iPhone-Destructo-App&tread;. One click of a button and it destroys all iPhones within a 1 block radius.
//
Oops... iPhone-Destructo-App™
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Big Steve Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:48:14am |
re: #254 Gus 802
Just what we need. A bunch of citizen cops reporting everything and anything to the authorities. Not that there's anything wrong with that but I can see this being abused and getting out of hand.
Abuse....hell yes.....I want free doughnuts too!
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Gus Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:49:19am |
re: #265 Walter L. Newton
Where is the icon for "Zombie Apocalypse?"
The iPhone-Blasphemy-App is really big in the Middle East.
One click of a button to report blasphemers!
//
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:50:06am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:51:37am |
re: #267 Gus 802
I heard a few years back about a paint that you could use that had filaments in it; you flip a switch and an electric pulse would be sent to the filaments and no signals could penetrate it.
It would be nice in a movie theater.
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garhighway Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:51:41am |
Here's a nice piece from the Columbia Journalism Review covering the Healthcare Reform case from yesterday and, more broadly, how the issue has been covered in the major news outlets.
The CJR does this well.
[Link: www.cjr.org...]
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Henchman Ghazi-808 Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:52:10am |
re: #262 Killgore Trout
Patriotism is an often misunderstood and misused concept.
Yes it is. But Real Patriotism never is. It's use is very apparent.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:52:34am |
re: #264 Gus 802
Looks like a paranoia app to me. Here's a screenshot:
Image: mzl.jipyckaw.320x480-75.jpg
Imagine walking around looking at that all day?
Well, that government waste button would be really stress-relieving for all those days you sit and watch construction workers doing, apparently, nothing, while traffic is backed up 3 miles.
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Gus Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:52:54am |
Assange release is on hold.
Assange granted bail, but Sweden appeals
London (CNN) -- WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange was granted bail Tuesday after a hearing at Westminster Magistrate's Court in London, but a lawyer representing Swedish prosecutors immediately filed an appeal.
That means Assange will remain in jail for another 48 hours, until the next hearing...
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Unions = Innovation slash slash Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:54:40am |
re: #265 Walter L. Newton
Where is the icon for "Zombie Apocalypse?"
I saw a license plate bracket the other day that said: The Zombie Apocalypse, It's closer than you think!
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:54:58am |
re: #237 NJDhockeyfan
That teacher should be in a world of trouble now--which is not to say that I haven't occasionally fantasized about stapling a few of my own darlings.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:55:19am |
re: #134 Surabaya Stew
That's Chomsky in a nutshell. His usually acceptable positions come wrapped in a mound of inflated paranoia and exaggerated bullshit about the subject. Plus exagerated backgrounds and made-up facts. A shame, because he's really quite intelegent when he's not being stupid.
Chomsky is an idiot savant. A total genius in one specific field--linguistics--and a total retard in everything else.
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BishopX Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:55:32am |
re: #272 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
There is a paint with copper filaments in it that supposedly acts like a Faraday Cage. I hadn't heard about one with an on off switch. Seems rather dubious to me.
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Gus Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:57:34am |
Here it is folks! Bradley Manning is officially on tonights Berkeley City Council Agenda:
[Link: www.ci.berkeley.ca.us...]
26. Support and Free Pfc. Bradley Manning and Proclaim Him a Hero (PDF)
From: Peace and Justice Commission
Recommendation: Adopt a Resolution to support and free Pfc. Bradley Manning and proclaim him a hero.
Financial Implications: None
Contact: Eric Brenman, Commission Secretary, 981-5114
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Gus Tue, Dec 14, 2010 9:59:11am |
Link to the PDF again.
[Link: www.ci.berkeley.ca.us...]
They even throw in a copy of an article from, Counterpunch.
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Gus Tue, Dec 14, 2010 10:01:01am |
re: #282 Gus 802
Link to the PDF again.
[Link: www.ci.berkeley.ca.us...]
They even throw in a copy of an article from, Counterpunch.
RATIONALE FOR RECOMMENDATION
The Peace and Justice Commission, consistent with its mandate to promote peace and justice, locally, nationally and internationally, views the military’s treatment of Pfc. Manning as unwarranted and unjust. Consistent with the City’s longstanding policy in support of peace, the City Council of the City of Berkeley is urged to take a position to support the release from military confinement of Pfc. Manning and to proclaim him a hero.
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Ericus58 Tue, Dec 14, 2010 10:01:07am |
re: #269 Gus 802
The iPhone-Blasphemy-App is really big in the Middle East.
One click of a button to report blasphemers!
//
[Link: edition.cnn.com...]
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Ericus58 Tue, Dec 14, 2010 10:02:45am |
re: #281 Gus 802
Here it is folks! Bradley Manning is officially on tonights Berkeley City Council Agenda:
[Link: www.ci.berkeley.ca.us...]
26. Support and Free Pfc. Bradley Manning and Proclaim Him a Hero (PDF)
From: Peace and Justice Commission
Recommendation: Adopt a Resolution to support and free Pfc. Bradley Manning and proclaim him a hero.
Financial Implications: None
Contact: Eric Brenman, Commission Secretary, 981-5114
Utter Morons....
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Dec 14, 2010 10:05:06am |
re: #282 Gus 802
Link to the PDF again.
[Link: www.ci.berkeley.ca.us...]
They even throw in a copy of an article from, Counterpunch.
Just because the right wing has become totally batshit insane, does not mean that the left wing has stopped being totally batshit insane.
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Gus Tue, Dec 14, 2010 10:07:16am |
re: #285 Ericus58
Utter Morons...
They also threw in an article by Marjorie Cohn titled "Bradley Manning, an American Hero." Let's put her up on the screen shall we?
Israel Murders Human Rights Workers Delivering Humanitarian Aid
On Sunday, Israel murdered human rights workers who were attempting to deliver 10,000 tons of humanitarian aid to the people of Gaza, because Gaza has been virtually cut off from the outside world by Israel. At least 9 people were reportedly killed and dozens injured when Israeli troops boarded the six-ship Freedom Flotilla convoy in international waters and immediately fired live ammunition at the people on board the ships. The convoy was comprised of 700 people from 50 nationalities and included a Nobel laureate, members of parliament from Ireland, Germany, Sweden, Turkey and Malaysia, as well as Palestinian members of the Israeli Knesset and a Holocaust survivor.
Israel’s Collective Punishment of Gaza
Since Israel began its war on Gaza 11 days ago, more than 560 Palestinians – about a quarter of them civilians – have been killed. Some two thousand Gazans, including hundreds of children, have been wounded. Israel’s “Operation Cast Lead” marks an escalation of Israel’s two-year blockade of the Gaza Strip which has deprived 1.5 million Palestinians of necessary food, medicine, fuel and other necessities.
...
Bush's Enemy du Jour
On television broadcasts, the word "Hezbollah" is seldom mentioned in a sentence unaccompanied by the word "terrorist." Commentators speculate about whether al Qaida or Hezbollah is a worse threat to the United States. Richard L. Armitage, deputy secretary of state during Bush's first term, has said Hezbollah might be "the A-team of terrorists," and that "Al Qaida is actually the B-team." Former CIA agent Robert Baer admits there is no evidence Hezbollah is operating in the United States, but in response to questioning by a Fox News anchor, speculates that Hezbollah "could" attack on U.S. soil.
...
All of that is from her blog.
[Link: www.marjoriecohn.com...]
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Gus Tue, Dec 14, 2010 10:08:17am |
re: #286 Alouette
Just because the right wing has become totally batshit insane, does not mean that the left wing has stopped being totally batshit insane.
The moonbats have been rather dormant for the past two years. Come January I predict they'll be out in force once again.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Dec 14, 2010 10:11:55am |
re: #287 Gus 802
They also threw in an article by Marjorie Cohn titled "Bradley Manning, an American Hero." Let's put her up on the screen shall we?
All of that is from her blog.
[Link: www.marjoriecohn.com...]
Let me guess. This Marjorie Cohn is one of those "As a Jew, I believe Israel should not exist" cultards.
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researchok Tue, Dec 14, 2010 10:58:38am |
re: #231 Fozzie Bear
lol
They tend to supplement their "safety first" position with an "Obama wants to take all your guns and put you in camps" position.
That may be their primary political position but it is not their primary practical position.
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Slap Tue, Dec 14, 2010 12:44:00pm |
re: #286 Alouette
Just because the right wing has become totally batshit insane, does not mean that the left wing has stopped being totally batshit insane.
In the interest of clarity....
Having sat through a couple of Berkeley City Council meetings in a prior life (permit reviews), the following is worth bearing in mind:
Moonbats are one thing.
Berkeley is another thing altogether, sort of the moonbat Shangri-La.
It is a place where city offices are closed on Malcolm X's birthday, and where the day celebrated as Columbus Day is indeed a holiday, but is officially called "Indigenous Peoples' Day".
On the plus side, there is a group in Berkeley that observes Breast Freedom Day annually.
I'll add my favorite description: Berkeley is a town that never met a victim it doesn't like.
But keep in mind that its presence on the docket does not guarantee adoption. Despite my view of the prevailing Berkeleyness, they're capable of surprising on occasion. We shall see....
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