Gov. Christie Won’t Say If He’s a Creationist

The Republican Party’s total war on science
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New Jersey Governor Chris Christie is suddenly dodging the question of whether he’s a creationist.

And the reason is no mystery. If he’s considering a run for the GOP nomination and he doesn’t personally believe the Earth is 6,000 years old, it’s vital for him to avoid the question — because creationism is a very important plank of the Republican Party’s anti-science platform.

One of the ways the GOP constantly tries to sneak this garbage into public school science classes is to portray it as a “local” issue, and sure enough, Christie goes right there.

Last week at a town hall in Manalapan, Chistie said he thought the decision to teach creationism in public schools should be made at the local level. He reitereated [sic] that position today.

“Evolution is required teaching,” Christie said. “If there’s a certain school district that also wants to teach creationism, that’s not something we should decide in Trenton.”

Christie said his position is not an endorsement of creationism, but rather an endorsement of making decisions about curriculum outside the common core standards at the local level.

(h/t: lawhawk.)

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183 comments
1 Kragar  Fri, May 13, 2011 1:23:06pm

I'll need to see the long form.

2 windsagio  Fri, May 13, 2011 1:23:13pm

This is the modern GOP in a nutshell. Absolute narrowcasting with no concern for the truth or tomorrow.

People will forget anyways, right?

3 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, May 13, 2011 1:25:25pm

AKEDEMIC FREEDUMB!!!11ty

4 Four More Tears  Fri, May 13, 2011 1:25:30pm

Hasn't Christie said repeatedly that he is not running. I think he might really believe this is the right position.

5 windsagio  Fri, May 13, 2011 1:26:48pm

re: #4 JasonA

you'd think he wouldn't dodge then tho >

6 Kragar  Fri, May 13, 2011 1:26:58pm

"I support the right of all American's to be ignorant yokels!"

7 mr.fusion  Fri, May 13, 2011 1:27:56pm

And people love him because he "tells it like it is."

:sigh:

8 Four More Tears  Fri, May 13, 2011 1:28:12pm

Ooo... TPM's getting me all giddy by speculating over a Feingold/Ryan Senate battle royale. Looking forward to that.

9 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, May 13, 2011 1:28:36pm

Do we really think that we are giving our children an advantage in later life by teaching them creationism in the public schools? That is the scary question.

10 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, May 13, 2011 1:29:07pm
11 Four More Tears  Fri, May 13, 2011 1:29:48pm

Ron Paul: You Don't Deserve FEMA Help, Also I'm Running For Prez (VIDEO)

"Do you think everyone should just be responsible for themselves and if a flood washes your house away no FEMA?" the viewer asked via email. "Sink or swim?"

"I think that's the way a free society works and that's what the Constitution mandates," Paul replied.

O.O

He's fucking crazier than I could have imagined.

13 lawhawk  Fri, May 13, 2011 1:32:32pm

re: #10 Dreggas

Heh..... here's my solution. If you seriously think the world's gonna end - and you're the one pushing this nonsense - put your money where your beliefs are. Give your worldly possessions to me. If they're right, I wont be getting much use of 'em anyways.

If I'm right though, I get to benefit from these folks' largesse. It's win-win.

BTW, I'm not talking about these guys' followers - just folks like Camping personally. If he really thinks he's going to be right (this time), put up or shut up.

14 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, May 13, 2011 1:32:47pm

re: #9 ralphieboy

Do we really think that we are giving our children an advantage in later life by teaching them creationism in the public schools? That is the scary question.

No, we are providing for their after-life. That is, so long as the nasty little punks accept The Word.
/

15 windsagio  Fri, May 13, 2011 1:33:20pm

re: #12 makeitstop

What... The... Fuck.

16 theheat  Fri, May 13, 2011 1:34:00pm

re: #9 ralphieboy

And we wonder why people in other countries are answering our tech support calls and inventing really cool shit.

17 makeitstop  Fri, May 13, 2011 1:34:20pm

re: #15 windsagio

What... The... Fuck.

That's what I said.

18 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, May 13, 2011 1:34:26pm

re: #12 makeitstop

Saw that earlier. I actually saw "Little black sambo" when I was watching a film on banned cartoons. Calling Obama sambo is really, really fucking racist.

19 Four More Tears  Fri, May 13, 2011 1:34:33pm

re: #12 makeitstop

He added, “We’ve been tiptoeing around the president.”

THIS IS NOT TIPTOEING.

20 lawhawk  Fri, May 13, 2011 1:35:39pm

re: #11 JasonA

Hmmm... he doesn't believe in FEMA and federal assistance. I'm sure that will sit well with quite a few of his constituents who live in places like Galveston.

Or, is it that he likes when the federal funds roll into his district, but doesn't want others to get the same benefit?

Eh... his worldview is seriously skewed to the side of crazy.

21 lawhawk  Fri, May 13, 2011 1:36:50pm

Thanks for the HT Charles!

22 windsagio  Fri, May 13, 2011 1:36:58pm

re: #20 lawhawk

man welcome to the universe. The whole problem is "CUT SPENDING! BUT NOT TO THE PEOPLE THAT VOTE FOR ME!" The whole ethic is that other people should make sacrifices.

23 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, May 13, 2011 1:38:01pm

re: #12 makeitstop

He also referred to Obama as a “Sambo,” a term many consider racist

Sambo? Now that's old-school.

“It was meant to be a joke, and if they took it different, I told the people there that I apologized,” Faircloth said.

Yeah, a racist joke.

He added, “We’ve been tiptoeing around the president.”

Does he think we're stupid? I believe he thinks we're stupid.

24 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, May 13, 2011 1:39:03pm

re: #12 makeitstop


Newt Gingrich is counting on fellow Republican like this to make him look sane and moderate. He is also counting on some serious butt-boy scandals to make his serial monogamy seem almost Biblical.

25 makeitstop  Fri, May 13, 2011 1:39:33pm

re: #23 Slumbering Behemoth

Sambo? Now that's old-school.

What's next? 'Pickaninny?'

26 theheat  Fri, May 13, 2011 1:39:56pm

re: #23 Slumbering Behemoth

''I am basically a conservative and pro-business."

He can't be bothered with politeness. He's making shit happen.
//

27 lawhawk  Fri, May 13, 2011 1:40:50pm

re: #24 ralphieboy

Other GOPers are trying to get Christie to run in 2012, and this could be a further move to get Christie ingratiated with the base. Eh... wish he'd stand up to 'em and tell 'em to keep the creationism in the church and not the classroom.

28 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 13, 2011 1:40:53pm

re: #25 makeitstop

What's next? 'Pickaninny?'

One of the creeps who now stalks me around the web was banned from LGF for referring to Condoleezza Rice as a "pickaninny."

29 makeitstop  Fri, May 13, 2011 1:44:13pm

re: #28 Charles

One of the creeps who now stalks me around the web was banned from LGF for referring to Condoleezza Rice as a "pickaninny."

Sorry to post it, Charles. Delete if necessary.

30 zora  Fri, May 13, 2011 1:44:41pm

re: #12 makeitstop


He added a couple of days later, “There’s nothing racist or feminist about me,” which suggests Faircloth may not know what the words he’s saying actually mean.
31 Summer Seale  Fri, May 13, 2011 1:45:41pm

Segregation was billed as a "Local Issue" as well.

32 Summer Seale  Fri, May 13, 2011 1:47:02pm

I also would add that Slavery was billed as a "Local Issue" too. Just like Creationism and Abortion rights.

33 garhighway  Fri, May 13, 2011 1:48:16pm

re: #27 lawhawk

Other GOPers are trying to get Christie to run in 2012, and this could be a further move to get Christie ingratiated with the base. Eh... wish he'd stand up to 'em and tell 'em to keep the creationism in the church and not the classroom.

Is Christie the Fred Thompson of 2012?

34 windsagio  Fri, May 13, 2011 1:48:20pm

re: #32 Summer

you know how it is. "States rights! Especially the states' right to discriminate and be evil!"

35 theheat  Fri, May 13, 2011 1:49:12pm

re: #30 zora

Your typical states rights pro death racist socon jackass.

He also wants to put a constitutional amendment on the ballot to let the people of the state vote on whether to enact the death penalty for murder convictions....

''We can get some emphasis placed on beefing up law enforcement in this state to send a strong message, especially if the voters of this state pass a referendum reinstating the death penalty,'' Faircloth said.

36 wrenchwench  Fri, May 13, 2011 1:49:53pm

re: #30 zora

He added a couple of days later, “There’s nothing racist or feminist about me,” which suggests Faircloth may not know what the words he’s saying actually mean.

Ah cain't be a racist. If ah wuz a racist, ah would know what it wuz.

37 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, May 13, 2011 1:50:26pm

re: #25 makeitstop

What's next? 'Pickaninny?'


They will not stop until one of them shouts "f***ing N*****!" Just to see how the rest of the party reacts to it.

38 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, May 13, 2011 1:50:52pm
39 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, May 13, 2011 1:51:35pm

re: #32 Summer

National standards are important, and I am getting tired of hearing "States' Rights" as an excuse to deny services, medical care, and rights to certain demographics, and as tool to shoe horn superstitious propaganda into science classes.

40 theheat  Fri, May 13, 2011 1:51:52pm

re: #37 ralphieboy

They will not stop until one of them shouts "f***ing N***!" Just to see how the rest of the party reacts to it.

Pssst - that isn't going to stop them, either. They could do it right under Michael Steele's nose, and it wouldn't make a bit of difference.

41 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, May 13, 2011 1:54:39pm

re: #40 theheat

Pssst - that isn't going to stop them, either. They could do it right under Michael Steele's nose, and it wouldn't make a bit of difference.

They'd get Michael Steele to do it just to give them cover.

42 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, May 13, 2011 1:54:44pm

re: #40 theheat

Pssst - that isn't going to stop them, either. They could do it right under Michael Steele's nose, and it wouldn't make a bit of difference.

Point is that the Party will not make any great efforts to react or distance themselves, save for a raft of rationalizations and qualifications of said statement.

43 albusteve  Fri, May 13, 2011 1:55:00pm

here is a man afraid of his own principles, and gov for a major state

44 Bulworth  Fri, May 13, 2011 1:55:33pm

Teach the controversy!

Christie is in danger of losing the beltway media vote to Daniels if he doesn't decide to run soon.

For some strange reason, the beltway media just luvs them some Mitch OMB Daniels. Maybe they think that having balanced the budget in Indiana (he's balanced the budget four straight years!!) he'll come to DC and snap his fingers and all the debt will go away.

45 theheat  Fri, May 13, 2011 1:57:12pm

re: #41 Dreggas

I used to kinda like Michael Steele until I saw what a spineless tool he let himself become. I thought he was smart and articulate. I didn't know his balls were under lock and key wrapped in a Confederate flag.

46 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, May 13, 2011 1:57:42pm

re: #44 Bulworth

wow he balanced the budget in Indiana but helped fuck up the national one...what an accomplishment.

As for Chritie polls in his own state show people can't stand him.

47 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, May 13, 2011 1:58:06pm

re: #45 theheat

I used to kinda like Michael Steele until I saw what a spineless tool he let himself become. I thought he was smart and articulate. I didn't know his balls were under lock and key wrapped in a Confederate flag.

He really was/is nothing but a token.

48 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, May 13, 2011 1:58:49pm

re: #45 theheat

Izzat you, Joe Biden?
/

Yeah, backing down in the face of Limbaugh was pretty much a bitch move.

49 Bulworth  Fri, May 13, 2011 1:59:46pm

re: #46 Dreggas

wow he balanced the budget in Indiana but helped fuck up the national one...what an accomplishment.

As for Chritie polls in his own state show people can't stand him.

Not to worry about Daniels. The beltway media is giving Daniels a pass for his OMB service because he "wasn't in charge" then. But he's balanced the budget in Indiana four straight years!!

50 goddamnedfrank  Fri, May 13, 2011 1:59:52pm

re: #42 ralphieboy

Point is that the Party will not make any great efforts to react or distance themselves, save for a raft of rationalizations and qualifications of said statement.

Heliocentrism doesn't put wingnuts in the ballot box.

51 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:00:56pm

re: #47 Dreggas

"Wouldn't we look like a bunch of Johnny-come-latelies, bragging on our own midget"

52 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:01:11pm

re: #49 Bulworth

Not to worry about Daniels. The beltway media is giving Daniels a pass for his OMB service because he "wasn't in charge" then. But he's balanced the budget in Indiana four straight years!!

I for one want the whole county to be just like Indiana...

53 theheat  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:01:17pm

re: #48 Slumbering Behemoth

Not just Limbaugh, but the overt racism in the party. He's barely acknowledged it, let alone done anything to stem it. He stands for nothing.

54 calochortus  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:03:02pm

re: #12 makeitstop

Republican gubernatorial candidate in West Virginia calls Nancy Pelosi a “bimbo” and President Obama a “Sambo.”

Holy crap.

Aside from being racist and stupid, it shows a lack of understanding. IIRC "Little Black Sambo" was an Indian (as in south Asian) boy. (Yes, I know it has been applied to those of African origin, but I'm just sayin'.)

55 albusteve  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:03:58pm

The law -- which was overwhelmingly approved by the Oklahoma Senate last month and later signed by Republican Gov. Mary Fallin on April 29 -- was requested by the Oklahoma Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs. But since the state has seen just about a dozen cases of hashish manufacturing in the past decade, the agency's spokesman, Mark Woodward, acknowledges that the new law is a "preventative" move.

life in prison!
make LOVE, not HASH!
(talk about repression)

Read more: [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

56 Bulworth  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:04:07pm

re: #52 ralphieboy

I for one want the whole county to be just like Indiana...

Well, I think you have to admit Daniels has done an exemplary job in Indiana, given that state's two international wars and the several Middle Eastern countries it's occupying, not to mention all the money for R&D the Hoosier state funds, along with the generous tax subsidies it provides its employers to provide health insurance to their employees. Indiana's border security is also apparently quite stellar I understand.

57 freetoken  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:04:30pm

Christie's failure is particularly bad for those of his supporters who want to portray themselves as having some sort of understanding of the Constitution.

What Christie ought to have said, because it is true and is what the courts have summarized as the key point, is this: Creationism is a sectarian religious belief and the United States government (and there its agents, such as public schools) does not endorse or teach creationism as that would be an establishment of that sect (religion) as an official belief system of this country, which is prohibited by the Constitution.

Very simple and straightforward.

But Christie is afraid to say it, because he is a political coward.

58 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:04:54pm

re: #56 Bulworth

Well, I think you have to admit Daniels has done an exemplary job in Indiana, given that state's two international wars and the several Middle Eastern countries it's occupying, not to mention all the money for R&D the Hoosier state funds, along with the generous tax subsidies it provides its employers to provide health insurance to their employees. Indiana's border security is also apparently quite stellar I understand.


I meant Lake County, Indiana...

59 calochortus  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:05:00pm

Christie is getting really lousy poll numbers lately. It might give him pause before he throws his hat in the ring.

60 goddamnedfrank  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:05:16pm

re: #53 theheat

Not just Limbaugh, but the overt racism in the party. He's barely acknowledged it, let alone done anything to stem it. He stands for nothing.

At least he stated the obvious:

The embattled chairman played the race card today when asked on "Good Morning America" if he has a slimmer margin of error because he is African American.

"The honest answer is, 'yes,'" he said. "Barack Obama has a slimmer margin. A lot of folks do. It's a different role for me to play and others to play and that's just the reality of it. But you take that as part of the nature of it."

61 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:06:56pm

re: #57 freetoken


He cannot say such a thing because it is too long to be a sound byte and too subtle, thought-out and nuanced not to be picked apart on Fox News as "supporting an athiestic world view".

No Republican can afford publicity like that if he wants to retain the support of his party.

62 Bulworth  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:07:11pm

re: #59 calochortus

Christie is getting really lousy poll numbers lately. It might give him pause before he throws his hat in the ring.

The national media's crush on him seems to have diminished. He probably needs to punch some more hippy teacher unions...

63 theheat  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:07:12pm

re: #60 goddamnedfrank

"The honest answer is, 'yes,'" he said. "Barack Obama has a slimmer margin. A lot of folks do. It's a different role for me to play and others to play and that's just the reality of it. But you take that as part of the nature of it."

And Steele prefers to take it lying down. Or apologizing. Or sleeping through it entirely.

64 Kronocide  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:08:00pm

Teaching woo woo feel good fairy tale stuff, typical anti-American liberals conservatives.

65 Kragar  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:08:15pm

The guy who becomes the 2012 GOP nominee will be whoever is due so they can clear the boards for the 2016 cycle.

66 freetoken  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:08:28pm

re: #61 ralphieboy

The definition of a leader is being able to convince people to go your direction.

67 makeitstop  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:09:54pm

re: #62 Bulworth

The national media's crush on him seems to have diminished. He probably needs to punch some more hippy teacher unions...

You can't spend the first year of your first term systematically pissing off every single constituent group without burning whatever political capital you started with.

68 calochortus  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:11:07pm

re: #62 Bulworth

The national media's crush on him seems to have diminished. He probably needs to punch some more hippy teacher unions...

'Cause people just hate their kids' teachers. Always makes it a popular move. /

69 goddamnedfrank  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:11:40pm

re: #54 calochortus

Aside from being racist and stupid, it shows a lack of understanding. IIRC "Little Black Sambo" was an Indian (as in south Asian) boy. (Yes, I know it has been applied to those of African origin, but I'm just sayin'.)

FYI: The first, and now last remaining Sambo's Restaurant is still open in Santa Barbara.

70 garhighway  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:12:25pm

Christie's supposed to be a good lawyer. Someone should ask him his opinion of the Kitzmiller case:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

71 calochortus  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:13:17pm

re: #70 garhighway

Christie's supposed to be a good lawyer. Someone should ask him his opinion of the Kitzmiller case:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Excellent idea!

72 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:13:24pm

re: #54 calochortus

Aside from being racist and stupid, it shows a lack of understanding. IIRC "Little Black Sambo" was an Indian (as in south Asian) boy. (Yes, I know it has been applied to those of African origin, but I'm just sayin'.)


I had that book as a kid. It was one of my favorites.

73 calochortus  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:15:20pm

re: #72 ralphieboy

Actually, except for the fact he's labeled as "black", IIRC its a fine story about a kid outwitting dangerous forces. But its been a lot of years, maybe I don't remember it all.

74 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:16:52pm

re: #9 ralphieboy

Do we really think that we are giving our children an advantage in later life by teaching them creationism in the public schools? That is the scary question.

Folks who support such often also like to complain about the nanny state, and the entitlement mentality of folks they don't like, but this is, frankly, the ultimate in entitlement thinking. These are people who believe that the United States cannot be shifted from our position as an international leader, because we have all of grandpa's money, credit, and rep. They think we'll be rich, and lead the pack forever. So, we have the privilege of being just as ignorant as we want on ideological grounds.

I don't know what it would take to snap them out of this, make them more globally aware, and, well, make us, well, hungrier. We're not hungry. That's great, but also dangerous for decision-making.

There's also a high degree of specific, as opposed to global, classism operating here. The intellectual elite of the wingnut movement have created a situation in which their kids are homeschooled, go to Liberty or someplace, get high-paying jobs, and are, in fact, protected by their social network from the consquences of being, by real standards, very poorly educated. The poor and middle-class, meanwhile, if they attempt to follow this formula, end up broke and with limited options, but are encouraged to see this as an attack on them by the liberals, not the consequence of having been failed by a social movement.

It reminds me, in many ways, of the developing crisis in some extremely pious fringe elements of the Orthodox Jewish world. Secular education is rejected, and working for a living is seen as increasingly inappropriate for a man--he should be learning, and a woman--she should be home. A lot of couples my age who try to live up to this ideal end up taking money from their parents--who came of age when this sort of thing was unheard of in the Jewish community. But the parents won't last forever, and the younger people will be able to offer their own children no help.

Something's got to give.

75 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:19:12pm

re: #69 goddamnedfrank

FYI: The first, and now last remaining Sambo's Restaurant is still open in Santa Barbara.

And they still sell T-Shirts. The last time I saw one was in the Bay Area about a million years ago. I was very young at the time.

76 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:20:51pm

re: #54 calochortus

Aside from being racist and stupid, it shows a lack of understanding. IIRC "Little Black Sambo" was an Indian (as in south Asian) boy. (Yes, I know it has been applied to those of African origin, but I'm just sayin'.)

Someone rereleased it a few years ago, with less stereotypical illustrations. It's actually not at all a racist book, just very, very dated, and saddled with the implication of 'Sambo'. I think they may have changed the child's name.

77 freetoken  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:22:18pm

re: #74 SanFranciscoZionist

We're not hungry. That's great, but also dangerous for decision-making.

But... while we may be fat, dumb, and happy, the eventual negative consequences of such could take quite a long time to work out. We've still got so many resources and stored capital that immediate demise isn't likely, and Americans who want to believe fantasies can quite happily go on doing so.

78 albusteve  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:22:26pm

and to think, the demise of civilization had nothing to do with ideology, aggression or WMD's...when the honey bee is no longer, neither are we

79 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:22:31pm

re: #73 calochortus

Actually, except for the fact he's labeled as "black", IIRC its a fine story about a kid outwitting dangerous forces. But its been a lot of years, maybe I don't remember it all.

No, it really is cute. A friend's daughter had the re-made book, and she loved it. He outwits five tigers that want to eat him, and turns them into butter.

80 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:23:11pm
81 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:23:13pm

re: #79 SanFranciscoZionist

No, it really is cute. A friend's daughter had the re-made book, and she loved it. He outwits five tigers that want to eat him, and turns them into butter.


Shouldn't he turn then into low-fat margarine?

82 albusteve  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:24:50pm

my bartender is on vacation, what a hassle...she deserved a break tho

83 calochortus  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:25:06pm
84 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:26:04pm

re: #82 albusteve

I could fill in. You don't mind being served by a stumbling drunk bartender, do you?

85 freetoken  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:27:44pm

Speaking of the American condition:

Britney Spears `mentally incapable` of giving evidence in court

Court papers show Britney Spears' ex-manager Sam Lutfi wants the pop princess to give evidence in his defamation lawsuit – but her conservators claim she’s ‘mentally incapable’.

[...]

Sad, but what a commentary on the American life of celebrity obsession. Pushed by money hungry parents to play an adult (read: sexual) role model too early, making too much money, having too much celebrity and not a normal childhood... and what happens? Emotionally and mental breakdown.

86 albusteve  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:27:56pm

re: #84 Slumbering Behemoth

I could fill in. You don't mind being served by a stumbling drunk bartender, do you?

no, it's good to take care of these details myself sometimes...laundry is another matter...those girls strip me threadless when they get to work

87 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:28:19pm

re: #77 freetoken

But... while we may be fat, dumb, and happy, the eventual negative consequences of such could take quite a long time to work out. We've still got so many resources and stored capital that immediate demise isn't likely, and Americans who want to believe fantasies can quite happily go on doing so.

Bingo. We actually do have the resources to keep going for quite some time--and most Americans want their kids to learn real stuff in school so they can get real jobs. But we need to keep focused on making ourselves more competitive, not less--and more inclusive, not less--and the education wingnuts are pushing in the other direction.

88 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:29:18pm

re: #81 ralphieboy

Shouldn't he turn then into low-fat margarine?

If Michelle Obama and Mike Huckabee had collaborated on the book, I'm sure he would have.

89 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:29:34pm

New page up... Very creepy stuff.

Your iPhone Is Secretly Tracking Everywhere You've Been

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

My personal guess is that this is an NSA project. Remember... there is a war on terror. etc...etc... The end of the day is that we actually line up to pay for Big Brother in our lives if we make the packaging shiny enough.

90 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:30:02pm

re: #86 albusteve

Sounds like they're getting more than just the laundry done. Lucky dog.

91 freetoken  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:31:35pm

re: #87 SanFranciscoZionist

But we need to keep focused on making ourselves more competitive, not less--and more inclusive, not less--and the education wingnuts are pushing in the other direction.

The wingnuts are pressing in this direction with their sectarianism and hate:

Greek officials urge calm after racist attacks

Government officials appealed for calm Friday after three days of attacks by ultranationalist mobs on dark-skinned foreigners in Athens, sparked by the fatal mugging of a Greek man in the capital's crime-infested center.

The public order minister, Christos Papoutsis, said there was a "very high risk of hate crimes" amid rising social tension, and promised future action to address inner-city crime.

Greece is in the throes of a major financial crisis. [...]

92 Kragar  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:33:12pm

re: #89 LudwigVanQuixote

New page up... Very creepy stuff.

Your iPhone Is Secretly Tracking Everywhere You've Been

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

My personal guess is that this is an NSA project. Remember... there is a war on terror. etc...etc... The end of the day is that we actually line up to pay for Big Brother in our lives if we make the packaging shiny enough.

Another reason I don't buy Apple anything.

93 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:35:06pm

jonas on May 13, 2011 3:37 PM:

He added, We've been tiptoeing around the president.

"I mean," added Faircloth, "do you know how *hard* it has been for us not to just come right out and call him a n***er?"

Also, Pelosi a bimbo? A 70 year-old Catholic grandmother and distinguished stateswoman? What the hell could he even have meant? Does this guy have to wear a helmet and a nametag when he goes out of the house?

94 Slap  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:36:01pm

re: #85 freetoken

Hell, her showbiz upbringing was mild.

At least her mom didn't Botox her when she was 8.

My disgust for pageant parents knows no bounds.

95 calochortus  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:36:33pm

Don't know if this has been mentioned already, but Uganda's anti-gay bill has been allowed to die by parliament. Some moron has vowed to reintroduce it next session.

96 albusteve  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:37:04pm

re: #92 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Another reason I don't buy Apple anything.

doesn't really matter...this is systematic, where the NSA has the capability to listen to anybody in the world if they choose...Big Brother is everywhere, you can run but you can't hide

97 Lidane  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:37:05pm
98 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:37:14pm

Well it isn't a post of mine, about an interesting story without Walter reflexively downdinging it... Thanks Walter...

99 Summer Seale  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:37:34pm

re: #89 LudwigVanQuixote

New page up... Very creepy stuff.

Your iPhone Is Secretly Tracking Everywhere You've Been

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

My personal guess is that this is an NSA project. Remember... there is a war on terror. etc...etc... The end of the day is that we actually line up to pay for Big Brother in our lives if we make the packaging shiny enough.

You're a few weeks too late on that one. =)

Just to quell the rumors for those who haven't read about it:

1) It actually doesn't track your location, but the cell towers you use. Your phone service does the same thing, btw, as well as your internet service. Everything is logged. Get used to it.

2) Apple already released a patch (I've upgraded on my iPad already) which "fixes" it amidst the controversy. (I think it's 4.3.3 or something)

100 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:37:35pm

re: #91 freetoken

The wingnuts are pressing in this direction with their sectarianism and hate:

Greek officials urge calm after racist attacks

Happens a lot in Russia. Then I see friends of friends on Facebook talking about how they wuz just defending themselves from the Islamists.

That is exactly where some folks are pushing us. These people who see in the news that a bunch of skinheads in Russia beat the shit out of some Chechen guy who was waiting for his bus, and say they were entitled, because Beslan, because sharia, because jihad.

101 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:38:36pm

re: #99 Summer

You're a few weeks too late on that one. =)

Just to quell the rumors for those who haven't read about it:

1) It actually doesn't track your location, but the cell towers you use. Your phone service does the same thing, btw, as well as your internet service. Everything is logged. Get used to it.

2) Apple already released a patch (I've upgraded on my iPad already) which "fixes" it amidst the controversy. (I think it's 4.3.3 or something)

OK thanks for the update... I just found it.

I was not however aware that persistent files were generated like this. That is a lot of data storage.

102 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:38:44pm

Knee jerk response:

Image: 1209421267938_jpg_5Broflposters_com.jpg

More reasoned response:

Image: Creationism.jpg

/ :p

104 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:39:52pm

re: #94 Slap

Hell, her showbiz upbringing was mild.

At least her mom didn't Botox her when she was 8.

My disgust for pageant parents knows no bounds.

Campbell appeared with her daughter Thursday on ABC's "Good Morning America." She said she enrolls Britney in beauty pageants and got the idea to give her Botox from other pageant mothers.

"It's a tough world in the pageant world, I'm telling you," Campbell told the program. "The kids are harsh.

Lady, if you're in a 'world' where you find yourself thinking that giving an eight-year-old Botox is a form of protection, it is time to GET OUT of that world. Sign the kid up for Girl Scouts and karate, and move on.

105 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:40:28pm

re: #89 LudwigVanQuixote

New page up... Very creepy stuff.

Your iPhone Is Secretly Tracking Everywhere You've Been

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

My personal guess is that this is an NSA project. Remember... there is a war on terror. etc...etc... The end of the day is that we actually line up to pay for Big Brother in our lives if we make the packaging shiny enough.

Uh, that's kind of old news -- and Apple has already released an update to the iPhone software that fixes this issue.

It wasn't actually keeping track of everywhere you've been -- the article you posted is misleading. It was keeping a record of the cell phone towers accessed by your phone, as a way to speed up the iPhone's built-in location services, because GPS alone can be sluggish.

106 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:40:32pm

re: #98 LudwigVanQuixote

Well it isn't a post of mine, about an interesting story without Walter reflexively downdinging it... Thanks Walter...

You welcome... this has nothing to do with NSA... it has to do with "location services" which is part and parcel of Apples IOS. It's designed to help you locate your phone if it's been lost or stolen. For a matter of fact, if you do a little research on this, you will find out that Apples has already modified the feature in their last OIS update (this week) to make the option more user configurable, and if you decide to turn off location services, there is NO data collected on your phone (or OIS device), you computer or on any Apple server.

Get your facts straight before jumping to one of your hyperbolic conclusions.

107 Kragar  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:41:07pm

Arizona man arrested on chemical weapon charges


An Arizona man was arrested on Friday on charges he made chemical weapons and used them to release a cloud of poisonous chlorine gas outside the home of a Tucson couple, authorities said.

FBI agents arrested Tucson resident Todd Russell Fries, 48, on a two count indictment alleging he made and used a chemical weapon, the U.S. Attorney's office said.

The indictment alleged that on August 2, 2009, Fries, who also goes by the alias Todd Burns, placed chemical devices in the front and back yard of a northwest Tucson couple's home.

108 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:41:12pm

re: #103 Slumbering Behemoth

Yeah really...

The NSA. Such things are right up their alley. And now that it was discovered, of course it would be cleaned up. I am glad it was. As I have been reading though, I am not certain it is all innocent. I am also not going to waste my time going tin-foil hat on this because there are all sorts of ways to track you from any cell phone that I know are in use in any case.

109 Summer Seale  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:41:42pm

Apple Fix:

[Link: www.thegurureview.net...]

And

[Link: www.pcworld.com...]

110 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:41:44pm

re: #105 Charles

Uh, that's kind of old news -- and Apple has already released an update to the iPhone software that fixes this issue.

It wasn't actually keeping track of everywhere you've been -- the article you posted is misleading. It was keeping a record of the cell phone towers accessed by your phone, as a way to speed up the iPhone's built-in location services, because GPS alone can be sluggish.

OK fair enough...

I just found the first two articles... I am following up for updates.

111 Lidane  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:41:52pm

re: #65 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The guy who becomes the 2012 GOP nominee will be whoever is due so they can clear the boards for the 2016 cycle.

Except that the guy who's due -- i.e., Mittens -- is getting ripped apart by the WSJ and the right wing media for refusing to apologize for Romneycare. And the teabaggers hate him for a variety of reasons.

112 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:42:06pm

re: #110 LudwigVanQuixote

OK fair enough...

I just found the first two articles... I am following up for updates.

Google Android phones do the same thing.

113 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:42:16pm

How does an eight-year-old have anything to Botox, anyway?

114 Kragar  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:42:32pm

re: #111 Lidane

Except that the guy who's due -- i.e., Mittens -- is getting ripped apart by the WSJ and the right wing media for refusing to apologize for Romneycare. And the teabaggers hate him for a variety of reasons.

I thought it was Gingrich's turn.

115 calochortus  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:42:36pm

re: #104 SanFranciscoZionist

Lady, if you're in a 'world' where you find yourself thinking that giving an eight-year-old Botox is a form of protection, it is time to GET OUT of that world. Sign the kid up for Girl Scouts and karate, and move on.

Quoted because I could only upding this once.

116 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:42:49pm

re: #108 LudwigVanQuixote

Suit yourself, bro. I like you, but there's a reason they are called conspiracy theories.

117 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:43:02pm

re: #108 LudwigVanQuixote

Yeah really...

The NSA. Such things are right up their alley. And now that it was discovered, of course it would be cleaned up. I am glad it was. As I have been reading though, I am not certain it is all innocent. I am also not going to waste my time going tin-foil hat on this because there are all sorts of ways to track you from any cell phone that I know are in use in any case.

There's a delightful scene in "Four Lions', where the would-be jihadis have learned that they can be tracked by the chips in their phones...so they swallow the chips.

118 wrenchwench  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:43:03pm

re: #107 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Arizona man arrested on chemical weapon charges

Fries, who also goes by Burns? nah...

119 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:43:16pm

re: #116 Slumbering Behemoth

Suit yourself, bro. I like you, but there's a reason they are called conspiracy theories.

Location services... billions are gonna die.

120 Kragar  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:43:30pm

re: #113 SanFranciscoZionist

How does an eight-year-old have anything to Botox, anyway?

Because her parents are weak willed, empty head psychos, thats how.

121 makeitstop  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:43:50pm

This is the most amazing thing I've seen all week.

Evan Longoria saved that reporter a trip to the hospital. What reflexes the guy has.

122 Lidane  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:43:56pm

re: #114 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I thought it was Gingrich's turn.

Only in Newt's delusions. He jumped the shark in 1995 after trying to humiliate Clinton only to get him re-elected. =P

123 Targetpractice  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:45:00pm

re: #111 Lidane

Except that the guy who's due -- i.e., Mittens -- is getting ripped apart by the WSJ and the right wing media for refusing to apologize for Romneycare. And the teabaggers hate him for a variety of reasons.

Think that, at it stands right now, the GOP's more likely to go with Huck. He's hitting all the necessary socon notes, has that "aw, shucks" personality that folks seem to think every president needs, and is probably the least controversial of the current runners.

124 freetoken  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:45:29pm

re: #121 makeitstop

Heh, she didn't even flinch.

125 recusancy  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:45:37pm

re: #49 Bulworth

Not to worry about Daniels. The beltway media is giving Daniels a pass for his OMB service because he "wasn't in charge" then. But he's balanced the budget in Indiana four straight years!!

Every governor balances their budget. They have to. States can't run deficits.

126 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:45:50pm

re: #116 Slumbering Behemoth

Suit yourself, bro. I like you, but there's a reason they are called conspiracy theories.

Well I consider it an hypothesis. A theory is proven. That is why I said guess.

re: #112 Charles

Google Android phones do the same thing.

So I have found, and to be honest even old GPS phones have ways to be tracked.

At the end of the day though a record of everywhere you have been is a little creepy. It was possibly a programming bug. I agree. It was also possibly not so innocent and we will never know.

In any case, I am not emotionally invested in this. I just don't buy the idea that any device that can be used for tracking will not be exploited.

127 Lidane  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:46:09pm

re: #123 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Think that, at it stands right now, the GOP's more likely to go with Huck. He's hitting all the necessary socon notes, has that "aw, shucks" personality that folks seem to think every president needs, and is probably the least controversial of the current runners.

He's only the least controversial because people are falling for the "aw, shucks" bullshit. The guy's a raging theocratic lunatic.

128 Slap  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:46:46pm

re: #113 SanFranciscoZionist

How does an eight-year-old have anything to Botox, anyway?

You're looking for a rational explanation????? lol.....

Honestly -- that woman has serious perspective issues. The only reason the "pageant world" is so "tough" IS BECAUSE OF PARENTS LIKE YOU, YOU TWIT.

Grrr. Been around "stage parents" and "champion parents" most of my life and I don't like 'em much -- but people who turn their children into pedophile testbed fantasies deserve excommunication form society.

(Hyperbolic, I know -- but people who fuck up their children in order to relive past glories they never had are not deserving of much sympathy.) (But that's my opinion.)

129 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:46:49pm

re: #119 Walter L. Newton

Location services... billions are gonna die.

Walter, Billions will die from AGW. That is the hard facts. That is theory.

You are a total ass. Always have been. That too is proven.

130 albusteve  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:46:56pm

re: #126 LudwigVanQuixote

Well I consider it an hypothesis. A theory is proven. That is why I said guess.

re: #112 Charles

So I have found, and to be honest even old GPS phones have ways to be tracked.

At the end of the day though a record of everywhere you have been is a little creepy. It was possibly a programming bug. I agree. It was also possibly not so innocent and we will never know.

In any case, I am not emotionally invested in this. I just don't buy the idea that any device that can be used for tracking will not be exploited.

then don't use them....pretty simple

131 Targetpractice  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:47:18pm

re: #127 Lidane

He's only the least controversial because people are falling for the "aw, shucks" bullshit. The guy's a raging theocratic lunatic.

Aye, that he is. But hey, he's such a great guy, I'd like to have a beer with him. So why worry that he's nuttier than a fruitcake?

//

132 Lidane  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:47:28pm

re: #125 recusancy

Every governor balances their budget. They have to. States can't run deficits.

Sure they can. Texas does it all the time, except here, the deficit isn't acknowledged. They just cut more needed programs instead of raising more revenue.

133 recusancy  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:47:42pm

re: #89 LudwigVanQuixote

New page up... Very creepy stuff.

Your iPhone Is Secretly Tracking Everywhere You've Been

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

My personal guess is that this is an NSA project. Remember... there is a war on terror. etc...etc... The end of the day is that we actually line up to pay for Big Brother in our lives if we make the packaging shiny enough.

Welcome to last month.

134 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:48:00pm

re: #120 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Because her parents are weak willed, empty head psychos, thats how.

Blows my mind. I do not get it.

135 freetoken  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:48:12pm

More from the Greece story:

[...] “There were racist attacks before, but Thursday’s events were something else, really terrifying,” Mohammad said. “It all happened very suddenly, we didn’t expect something that extreme.”

“The police were everywhere, but neither did they offer us protection nor did they stop those who were attacking us,” he said. “I have a wife and three children. Should I leave Greece, or stay and maybe get killed?”

Pakistani worker Riaz Ahmad said he was grabbed as he left home for work. “Five or six people started shouting: Catch him! They hit me with sticks and kicked me before I slipped back into my block of flats. I have lived in Greece for 11 years and everything has been fine. If things have changed now, what fault is it of ours?”

Separately, police are investigating the fatal stabbing of a Bangladeshi worker in another central Athens district that is home to many migrants and has a strong far-right presence. There have been no arrests, and the motive of Wednesday’s attack remains unclear. [....]

Nitty gritty from the unraveling of society, especially when the law seems detached from the situation.

136 makeitstop  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:48:22pm

re: #124 freetoken

Heh, she didn't even flinch.

She didn't have time!

I'm in awe of Longoria's reaction time - he barely even saw the ball and had his hand up to catch it.

137 Lidane  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:48:38pm

re: #134 SanFranciscoZionist

Blows my mind. I do not get it.

Aren't they going after those parents for child abuse? I think I read somewhere that CPS is investigating those people.

138 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:48:52pm

re: #129 LudwigVanQuixote

Walter, Billions will die from AGW. That is the hard facts. That is theory.

You are a total ass. Always have been. That too is proven.

"New UFO Applications for IPhones"

[Link: www.shirleymaclaine.com...]

139 Stanghazi  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:49:16pm

re: #121 makeitstop

This is the most amazing thing I've seen all week.

[Video]Evan Longoria saved that reporter a trip to the hospital. What reflexes the guy has.

That was crazy!

140 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:50:57pm

re: #130 albusteve

I didn't.. I said guess.

You too have always been an ass.

And with that... I am ohh so sorry for finding something that was old news... However will you forgive me... I shall now slit my wrists in shame for not having seen it before.

141 Lidane  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:51:40pm

Talk about damning a man with faint praise. I'm sure this will go over well on the right:

White House Reacts To Mitt Romney's Speech: He Took A 'Smart Approach Toward Health Care'

142 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:51:59pm

re: #126 LudwigVanQuixote

Well I consider it an hypothesis. A theory is proven. That is why I said guess.

A "conspiracy theory" does not follow the scientific method. It has nothing to do with genuine, scientific theory.

"Conspiracy theory" was originally a neutral descriptor for any claim of civil, criminal, or political conspiracy.[1] However, it has become largely pejorative and used almost exclusively to refer to any fringe theory which explains a historical or current event as the result of a secret plot by conspirators of almost superhuman power and cunning.[1]

143 [deleted]  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:52:13pm
144 Randy W. Weeks  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:52:31pm

re: #121 makeitstop

This is the most amazing thing I've seen all week.

[Video]Evan Longoria saved that reporter a trip to the hospital. What reflexes the guy has.

I can't quit watching that. "Guys, keep it on the field." LOL

145 celticdragon  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:52:42pm

re: #12 makeitstop

Republican gubernatorial candidate in West Virginia calls Nancy Pelosi a “bimbo” and President Obama a “Sambo.”

Holy crap.

My God. 15 years ago, that would have gotten you run out of a political race the next day. Today, nobody even blinks.

146 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:52:49pm

re: #128 Slap

You're looking for a rational explanation??? lol...

Honestly -- that woman has serious perspective issues. The only reason the "pageant world" is so "tough" IS BECAUSE OF PARENTS LIKE YOU, YOU TWIT.

Grrr. Been around "stage parents" and "champion parents" most of my life and I don't like 'em much -- but people who turn their children into pedophile testbed fantasies deserve excommunication form society.

(Hyperbolic, I know -- but people who fuck up their children in order to relive past glories they never had are not deserving of much sympathy.) (But that's my opinion.)

I just think about stories that come out of little girls being married off to rich men in Saudi Arabia or Yemen. It's horrifying, and you tend to see it in the social context of radical Islam and oil state decadence. But I look at the extreme fringe of pageant parents, and I think, they're willing to physically hurt their kids for this pageant business, or this movie business. It's basically the same thing at core--destroying a little girl for your own social status, and being told by those around you that you're doing GOOD.

Gghhhhah.

147 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:52:58pm

I'm not going to let this thread turn into a bickering session.

148 calochortus  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:53:18pm

re: #134 SanFranciscoZionist

Blows my mind. I do not get it.

I don't get it either. Whatever happened to childhood?

re: #137 Lidane

Aren't they going after those parents for child abuse? I think I read somewhere that CPS is investigating those people.

Yes, they are investigating. As well they should.

I wonder if those kid beauty pageant reality shows are upping the ante on the competitions.

149 Bill Nye: People Magazine 'Sexiest Man Alive'  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:53:19pm

re: #139 Stanley Sea

That was amazing. Even though i played it twice waiting for EVA Longoria to show up!
Sometimes it takes me a while.

150 garhighway  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:53:20pm

Sad news: Harmon Killebrew gives up on treating his esophageal cancer and goes into hospice care.

[Link: bats.blogs.nytimes.com...]

151 albusteve  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:53:31pm

re: #147 Charles

I'm not going to let this thread turn into a bickering session.

I'm out for a while

152 recusancy  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:53:43pm

re: #145 celticdragon

My God. 15 years ago, that would have gotten you run out of a political race the next day. Today, nobody even blinks.

Not in West Virginia.

153 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:53:43pm

re: #121 makeitstop

I'm pretty sure it's fake. you can see the ball too clearly for a low quality youtube video.

154 Targetpractice  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:54:43pm

re: #141 Lidane

Talk about damning a man with faint praise. I'm sure this will go over well on the right:

White House Reacts To Mitt Romney's Speech: He Took A 'Smart Approach Toward Health Care'

What's that sound? Oh, that's the White House hammering another nail into the coffin for Mitt's presidential chances.

155 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:54:51pm

re: #142 Slumbering Behemoth

I repeat....

I am ohh so sorry for finding something creepy that turned out to be old news...

However will I redeem myself...

Whatever will I do...

I know... I'll go get ready for Shabbos.

156 wrenchwench  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:55:04pm

re: #139 Stanley Sea

That was crazy!

It would have been more amazing if it was Eva Longoria, who I was looking for there....

157 freetoken  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:55:07pm

Blech... I didn't notice till now that PaleoPat's latest column is a defense of ... Demjanjuk

"The Persecution of John Demjanjuk" is posted at Townhall. Here is one of the comments on that piece:

Herman Wrote: 2 hours ago (2:57 PM)
It's not called the "Holocaust Industry" for nothing.

And the next comment:

tj Wrote: 4 hours ago (1:15 PM)
By many of the posts denigrating Mr. Demjanjuk and pronouncing him "guilty" one would have to conclude that those jews who made the "selections" for the "relocation" transports are GUILTY of collaboration with the nazis. How many jews were prosecuted for "war crimes" and "crimes against humanity" for their cooperation with the nazis??
NONE were prosecuted.
A gentile is accused of standing next to a nazi and is "prosecuted to the full extent of (international) law" for "war crimes" while the jews who cooperated with the nazis are given a pass. [...]

And the next comment:

norm Wrote: 4 hours ago (1:20 PM)
Exactly, George Soros, a self loathing Jew, admitted to collaborating with the Nazi's as a teenager is the patron saint of the left.

And so on and so on...

Townhall, home of the American religious right along with their partner HotAir (and other religious sites)... home of hatred of all kinds but especially the self righteous sort.

158 Slap  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:55:10pm

re: #150 garhighway

Oh, man -- I loved him and Boog Powell!

159 makeitstop  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:55:16pm

re: #149 Cankles McCellulite

That was amazing. Even though i played it twice waiting for EVA Longoria to show up!
Sometimes it takes me a while.

I must confess, that's what drew me to the link on Facebook.

I don't think Eva could catch a liner like that.

160 recusancy  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:55:37pm

re: #153 Killgore Trout

I'm pretty sure it's fake. you can see the ball too clearly for a low quality youtube video.

Pretty sure?? lol

161 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:56:03pm

re: #137 Lidane

Aren't they going after those parents for child abuse? I think I read somewhere that CPS is investigating those people.

I sure hope so. She got the crap from 'a trusted source', which means some other demented parent on the circuit, I imagine. She injected the child with an illegally obtained substance that is not recommended for use on children, and is not meant to be injected by non-licensed persons.

It's a drug crime, a child abuse case, and frankly, I think she needs some serious court-imposed therapy.

162 recusancy  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:57:21pm

re: #121 makeitstop

This is the most amazing thing I've seen all week.

[Video]Evan Longoria saved that reporter a trip to the hospital. What reflexes the guy has.

Please tell me you guys know this is fake.

163 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:57:28pm

re: #121 makeitstop

This is the most amazing thing I've seen all week.

[Video]Evan Longoria saved that reporter a trip to the hospital. What reflexes the guy has.

That's amazing.

164 garhighway  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:57:33pm

re: #158 Slap

Oh, man -- I loved him and Boog Powell!

Those two plus Frank Howard defined the era of the giant first basemen in the AL. When they hit the ball it stayed hit.

165 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:57:42pm

re: #153 Killgore Trout

I'm pretty sure it's fake. you can see the ball too clearly for a low quality youtube video.

Video: Evan Longoria Saves Reporter From Line Drive! Or Does He?

OK. This video is obviously a fake put out by Gillette to promote their “Young Guns” series.

166 calochortus  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:57:57pm

re: #161 SanFranciscoZionist


It's a drug crime, a child abuse case, and frankly, I think she needs some serious court-imposed therapy.

And there's the criminal level of stupidity involved. Committing an illegal act on TV.

167 celticdragon  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:58:10pm

re: #107 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Arizona man arrested on chemical weapon charges

According to the Ron Paul interview I just watched, everybody should have the absolute free property rights to make chemical weapons on the their own land.

Not really kidding.

168 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:58:15pm

re: #145 celticdragon

My God. 15 years ago, that would have gotten you run out of a political race the next day. Today, nobody even blinks.

I am blinking.

169 makeitstop  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:58:31pm

re: #162 recusancy

Please tell me you guys know this is fake.

I had no idea. Gullible me.

170 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:58:32pm

re: #155 LudwigVanQuixote

I was trying to be nice, you know. Are you done, dude? I'm done.

171 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 13, 2011 2:59:58pm
172 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 13, 2011 3:00:48pm

re: #166 calochortus

And there's the criminal level of stupidity involved. Committing an illegal act on TV.

Another reason I think the court should get her into treatment. This is someone who's internalized the values of her kid's 'hobby' to the point where it doesn't even seem to occur to her that what's she's doing is illegal.

173 recusancy  Fri, May 13, 2011 3:01:43pm

re: #169 makeitstop

I had no idea. Gullible me.

Don't watch any of the old powerade commercial videos then.

174 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 13, 2011 3:06:05pm

re: #171 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh well. Cute.

I was in a Bank commercial back in the 90's, had the manager of the Rockies at the edge of the dugout (I'm not a baseball fan, can't remember his name) doing the same thing, putting up his hand to stop a wild pitch that would have wound up in our (the fans) faces... no post studio work, did all the special effects on the field right there.

175 Stanghazi  Fri, May 13, 2011 3:07:42pm
176 makeitstop  Fri, May 13, 2011 3:07:53pm

re: #173 recusancy

Don't watch any of the old powerade commercial videos then.

I remember the Shaq one with the 20-foot high baskets, but that's about it.

177 HappyWarrior  Fri, May 13, 2011 3:09:41pm

What a coward. I guess this is how you make your bonafides in the modern Republican Party. Bunch of know nothing nonsense.

178 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, May 13, 2011 3:10:28pm

re: #175 Stanley Sea

Killgore had a good point about the video resolution. I just figured the reporter didn't look sufficiently scared shitless. I mean, she didn't even flinch.

179 aagcobb  Fri, May 13, 2011 3:23:44pm

re: #57 freetoken

What Christie ought to have said, because it is true and is what the courts have summarized as the key point, is this: Creationism is a sectarian religious belief and the United States government (and there its agents, such as public schools) does not endorse or teach creationism as that would be an establishment of that sect (religion) as an official belief system of this country, which is prohibited by the Constitution.

Very simple and straightforward.

But Christie is afraid to say it, because he is a political coward.

If he said that, he would disqualify himself from inclusion on the GOP ticket. I expect him to be on the short list of potential Veep nominees next year, as long as he remains a Tea Party fav.

181 Targetpractice  Fri, May 13, 2011 3:37:42pm
182 recusancy  Fri, May 13, 2011 3:38:14pm

re: #180 BigPapa

Bill Nye boo'd in Waco when he says moon does not emit light, only reflects it.

That's an old story... I can't remember if it ended up being true or not.

183 Robert O.  Fri, May 13, 2011 5:03:02pm

The sad thing is I don't think Chris Christie actually believes in literal creationism, but he is simply saying what he has to say in order to not upset the Party base.

I live in NJ and am appalled that he laid off policemen in Trenton and Camden (two of this country's most dangerous cities) and he canceled a much needed tunnel project (when many millions had already been spent) to New York that would have made access to the city easier and thus increase NJ property values. That said, I don't think he is stupid. For a Republican, he was in favor of enforcing the state's gun laws and other things that are non-standard positions for a GOP. Though, he may have been pragmatic with real hot button issues as NJ (even its Republicans) is not known as a mouth-frothing conservative state.


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