From last night’s 60 Minutes, here’s an interesting and disturbing look at the home-grown extremists of the “sovereign citizen” movement.
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windsagio Mon, May 16, 2011 2:32:33pm |
Just started watching, but I'm gonna guess:
They support their rights a sovereign citizens to discriminate and keep slaves?
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Kronocide Mon, May 16, 2011 2:34:46pm |
How can you be sovereign and a citizen at the same time?
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wrenchwench Mon, May 16, 2011 2:36:08pm |
I just "simulposted" a comment on the Page on this subject.
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Randall Gross Mon, May 16, 2011 2:36:58pm |
and of course over at Fox nation they are using this to further white victim hood, not realizing that Sovereign Citizens come in all races and ends of the political spectrum. Wesley Snipes was a Sovereign Citizen who ended up in jail from swallowing this swill and there are also native American sovereign citizens.
[Link: mediamatters.org...]
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Mon, May 16, 2011 2:37:09pm |
re: #2 BigPapa
How can you be sovereign and a citizen at the same time?
By believing in gobbledegook. From my page, which also includes an embedded follow-up by 60 Minutes Overtime, here is Wayne Paul, brother of Ron Paul:
[Link: www.youtube.com...]
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Mon, May 16, 2011 2:37:46pm |
Damn
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sod Mon, May 16, 2011 2:38:10pm |
I got a video segment about the church and pedophile priests. I don't think it was the segment Charles was posting about.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Mon, May 16, 2011 2:40:13pm |
By the way, Charles: Do you know what went wrong with the MP3 link I tried to embed/link on this page?
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albusteve Mon, May 16, 2011 2:40:16pm |
another fancy handle for the same old boring shit...you want to live outside the box?...fine...you wanna cross the line of decency and the law, then you go down, tossing a major hissy, no doubt....I see these types as weaklings, crying out for attention
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darthstar Mon, May 16, 2011 2:40:19pm |
re: #2 BigPapa
How can you be sovereign and a citizen at the same time?
The government can't tell you what to do, but they get to keep sending you disability checks and they can pay your medical bills.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, May 16, 2011 2:42:04pm |
"An endless stream of mind-numbing seminars".
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windsagio Mon, May 16, 2011 2:43:03pm |
re: #10 albusteve
People that truly go off the grid are totally fascinating to me.
These guys, yeah, are just living out their power fantasies.
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albusteve Mon, May 16, 2011 2:44:03pm |
re: #11 darthstar
The government can't tell you what to do, but they get to keep sending you disability checks and they can pay your medical bills.
it's a game of identity for them, but they don't play it very well...you wanna go under the radar, you don't give interviews....it's more about the 15min they get
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, May 16, 2011 2:44:06pm |
What about roads? I assume they drive in the mud next to the road to assert their sovereign-ness.
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windsagio Mon, May 16, 2011 2:45:15pm |
OK just got to the end. The look on Adask's face when they play that clip back to him is pretty classic.
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 16, 2011 2:45:41pm |
Even thought the wingnuts bitch about lefty journalists 60 Minutes did the Republicans a favor by not mentioning the Sovereign Citizen movement's connection to the Tea Party and Republican candidates like Ron/Rand Paul.
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windsagio Mon, May 16, 2011 2:45:47pm |
re: #15 EmmmieG
You're in Portland, right? If so you know what happens when people refuse to pay for roads ><
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sod Mon, May 16, 2011 2:45:59pm |
re: #8 sod
I got a video segment about the church and pedophile priests. I don't think it was the segment Charles was posting about.
Opened LFG in IE instead of Chrome and I get the right video. In Chrome there's no transport controls either. Once you start the video there's no way to stop or pause.
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windsagio Mon, May 16, 2011 2:46:51pm |
re: #19 sod
Chrome worked right for me, both the right clip and the transport controls (I hadn't heard that term before, once again I learned osmethign!)
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Mon, May 16, 2011 2:47:02pm |
re: #2 BigPapa
How can you be sovereign and a citizen at the same time?
To answer the question seriously: by individual secession, I guess.
I dunno. Maybe the Pope knows, being a citizen of Vatican City but at the same time being sovereign as head of the Holy See?
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Simply Sarah Mon, May 16, 2011 2:47:31pm |
re: #19 sod
Opened LFG in IE instead of Chrome and I get the right video. In Chrome there's no transport controls either. Once you start the video there's no way to stop or pause.
Sounds like you have something blocking scripting or the like.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, May 16, 2011 2:47:52pm |
re: #11 darthstar
The government can't tell you what to do, but they get to keep sending you disability checks and they can pay your medical bills.
That's the thing. How can you call yourself a citizen if you consider yourself to have no responsibility to civil society?
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Randall Gross Mon, May 16, 2011 2:48:14pm |
The roots of this are the neo nazi movement in the Pacific NW in the late sixties / early 70's, and the original group was Posse Commitatus, while the movement is strongest among Christian Identist groups like the Montana Freemen, and you can see some of the kook political philosophy furthered by Oathkeepers, there are black Sovereign Citizens in NC, SC, Baton Rouge, and Atlanta. Typically it will take root in a small fundamentalist church group when it's introduced to a city or community.
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windsagio Mon, May 16, 2011 2:48:24pm |
re: #24 SanFranciscoZionist
Because it's emotional reaction, not thought?
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William Barnett-Lewis Mon, May 16, 2011 2:49:03pm |
Smells like the Posse Comitatus [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
They've been trouble making nutjobs around here for awhile.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Mon, May 16, 2011 2:49:24pm |
60 Minutes did some really great stuff lately. See also their piece last month on the massive fraud in the mortgage market: [Link: www.cbsnews.com...]
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windsagio Mon, May 16, 2011 2:49:55pm |
re: #27 wlewisiii
heh, they're specifically mentioned in the clip :D
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Tigger2005 Mon, May 16, 2011 2:49:59pm |
I guess "sovereign citizen" means they think they are each a country unto themselves?
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Simply Sarah Mon, May 16, 2011 2:50:15pm |
re: #28 000G
60 Minutes did some really great stuff lately. See also their piece last month on the massive fraud in the mortgage market: [Link: www.cbsnews.com...]
Maybe they've realized that they need to step up their game if they want to remain relevant in the modern media world.
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Randall Gross Mon, May 16, 2011 2:50:26pm |
re: #27 wlewisiii
That was the start of it. Since then it's morphed everywhere.
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Amory Blaine Mon, May 16, 2011 2:51:22pm |
Sounds like a natural progression for right wingers.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, May 16, 2011 2:52:21pm |
re: #30 Tigger2005
I guess "sovereign citizen" means they think they are each a country unto themselves?
Well, if you're the only person in your personal country, then you can certainly pick something with a bit more zip.
How about "Sovereign Grand Poo-bah of the Microwave and Fridge"?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, May 16, 2011 2:52:45pm |
Well. That's a damn fancy term for not wanting to pay your taxes, and figuring you've got a right to shoot cops.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, May 16, 2011 2:53:29pm |
re: #36 SanFranciscoZionist
Well. That's a damn fancy term for not wanting to pay your taxes, and figuring you've got a right to shoot cops.
Do they call cops when they get robbed? The honest thing to do would be to try to figure it out and get your stuff back yourself, if you won't pay taxes.
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Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate Mon, May 16, 2011 2:53:36pm |
OT but since someone brought up Nazis i was out today and saw a skinhead Nazi couple walking down the street. Does anyone know where the skinhead haircut came from and the strange haircut the girls wear that is shaved in the back but left kind of long in the front? I don't remember any pics of actual Nazi officers wearing their hair like this.
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Simply Sarah Mon, May 16, 2011 2:53:44pm |
re: #36 SanFranciscoZionist
Well. That's a damn fancy term for not wanting to pay your taxes, and figuring you've got a right to shoot cops.
Well, it sounded better than Spoiled Five Year Old With a Gun.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, May 16, 2011 2:53:53pm |
I say we suspend certain tax payer funded programs for a year so that we can save up enough cash to buy these sovereign fetishists their own island. Who's with me?
/
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albusteve Mon, May 16, 2011 2:54:24pm |
labels are for soup cans...I get burned out on all the clever hair splitting and fancy nounage...what a fucking waste of time...I could give a rats ass what a sovereign citizen is...to me it's just another duck
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windsagio Mon, May 16, 2011 2:54:35pm |
re: #37 EmmmieG
that's part of the fantasy too (and the gun-fantasies that seem pretty closely related).
If somebody tries to rob you, you take the perp down. "tap, tap center of mass!"
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, May 16, 2011 2:55:17pm |
re: #38 Cankles McCellulite
1970s England, IIRC. I probably ain't RC, though.
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lostlakehiker Mon, May 16, 2011 2:55:21pm |
The very term is oxymoronic. A sovereign rules over others. A citizen is one among many, a member, and a subject, of a polity.
The notion behind the term is merely moronic. No man is an island. We can live alone for a time, but an individual human is not autonomous in the way that an orangutan is, or an albatross, much less a lizard member of those species that reproduce asexually.
Now just because we must live in a society to get much of anything done, does not mean that society should be built on the model of an ant hill. Most Americans, and many others, have concluded that a good society has a lot of slack in it, a lot of room for individuals to be their own quirky selves.
Within limits. You mustn't kill anybody. You have to pay your taxes. You have to obey the speed limits. You have to stop at stop signs, even while on a bicycle. And NO PUTTING UP SIGNS ON THE HIGH SCHOOL ASKING FOR A PROM DATE!!!! //
(OK, my point is that these limits have to be flexible. The rules verge from vital, to needful, to noisome, to utterly silly. But the height of silliness is to make believe that there shouldn't be any rules.)
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, May 16, 2011 2:56:43pm |
re: #42 windsagio
that's part of the fantasy too (and the gun-fantasies that seem pretty closely related).
If somebody tries to rob you, you take the perp down. "tap, tap center of mass!"
Right. And if they use their computer and do Identity Theft, do you get them with your virtual gun?
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darthstar Mon, May 16, 2011 2:56:53pm |
re: #40 Slumbering Behemoth
I say we suspend certain tax payer funded programs for a year so that we can save up enough cash to buy these sovereign fetishists their own island. Who's with me?
/
Let them invade their own damn island. These assholes have been around as long as America has. Just because Glenn Beck and Michele Bachmann and a few others gave them credibility a couple of years ago to use them for self promotion just made them a bit more public. On second thought, let them scurry back into the shadows where they belong. They'll be happier there, anyway.
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windsagio Mon, May 16, 2011 2:58:02pm |
re: #45 EmmmieG
Don't expect me to make sense of it :D
I'd imagine they consider themselves too savvy to be caught by such things, to tie it in with the power fantasy >>
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Digital Display Mon, May 16, 2011 2:58:11pm |
Wow..That was a very disturbing clip from 60 minutes...
I didn't realize the extent these people exist in America in 2011...Thanks for posting this Charles.
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darthstar Mon, May 16, 2011 2:58:11pm |
re: #46 darthstar
Let them invade their own damn island. These assholes have been around as long as America has. Just because Glenn Beck and Michele Bachmann and a few others gave them credibility a couple of years ago to use them for self promotion
just made themthey're a bit more public than they otherwise would be. On second thought, let them scurry back into the shadows where they belong. They'll be happier there, anyway.
PIMF - crappy sentence there...my apologies.
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Amory Blaine Mon, May 16, 2011 2:58:15pm |
It's also fitting that Viagra is the commercial. Impotent men striving for dominance!!
Hahahaha
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wrenchwench Mon, May 16, 2011 2:58:55pm |
re: #44 lostlakehiker
The very term is oxymoronic. A sovereign rules over others. A citizen is one among many, a member, and a subject, of a polity.
The notion behind the term is merely moronic. No man is an island. We can live alone for a time, but an individual human is not autonomous in the way that an orangutan is, or an albatross, much less a lizard member of those species that reproduce asexually.
Now just because we must live in a society to get much of anything done, does not mean that society should be built on the model of an ant hill. Most Americans, and many others, have concluded that a good society has a lot of slack in it, a lot of room for individuals to be their own quirky selves.
Within limits. You mustn't kill anybody. You have to pay your taxes. You have to obey the speed limits. You have to stop at stop signs, even while on a bicycle. And NO PUTTING UP SIGNS ON THE HIGH SCHOOL ASKING FOR A PROM DATE!!! //
(OK, my point is that these limits have to be flexible. The rules verge from vital, to needful, to noisome, to utterly silly. But the height of silliness is to make believe that there shouldn't be any rules.)
Except in Idaho.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, May 16, 2011 2:59:31pm |
re: #36 SanFranciscoZionist
Well. That's a damn fancy term for not wanting to pay your taxes, and figuring you've got a right to shoot cops.
OT--my kids are watching Liberty's Kids in the other room. I heard Cesar Rodney mentioned, so I scooted in and made them rewind. I wanted to see how they drew Rodney.
From a distance, through a telescope. Well, I suppose that's one way to handle it, and I suppose they didn't want to get sidetracked with a discussion of Rodney's facial cancer, but I was still a little disappointed.
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Simply Sarah Mon, May 16, 2011 3:00:21pm |
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windsagio Mon, May 16, 2011 3:00:37pm |
re: #46 darthstar
Alcoholism, murder, disease and other ills took the lives of most mutineers and Tahitian men.
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BongCrodny Mon, May 16, 2011 3:02:36pm |
"Sovereign citizen" sounds suspiciously like "first among equals."
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, May 16, 2011 3:02:51pm |
re: #38 Cankles McCellulite
OT but since someone brought up Nazis i was out today and saw a skinhead Nazi couple walking down the street. Does anyone know where the skinhead haircut came from and the strange haircut the girls wear that is shaved in the back but left kind of long in the front? I don't remember any pics of actual Nazi officers wearing their hair like this.
The short hair started off as a common English working-class look, and became, gradually, politicized and extreme. I've heard it suggested that they did it in reaction to guys wearing their hair long in the 70s, or the extreme hairdos of the eighties.
Wikipedia tells me that the girl do is a 'Chelsea', and seems to suggest that it may have started as a punk look.
I am reminded though of the scene in one of the Adrian Mole diaries, when the hero is getting done up to appear on his new TV cooking show. There's a wartime theme, so the young woman in charge tells him that she's cutting his hair, '1940s, like Hitler'. He points out that Hitler was a monster. The girl tells him defensively that she didn't DO the history module in school, she chose environmental studies. He refuses to wear the Hitler hairdo, so she does something else with it, but sulks.
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William Barnett-Lewis Mon, May 16, 2011 3:02:52pm |
re: #29 windsagio
heh, they're specifically mentioned in the clip :D
Heh, hadn't watched. We've had enough of their kind around here...
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Randall Gross Mon, May 16, 2011 3:02:54pm |
Wow, I did not realize that the trail leads all the way back to a pre-WWII fundamentalist Anti semite: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
and from there to one of his disciples:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
from their to Posse Comitatus
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
to the modern day -- hate keeps being passed down through the generations.
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wrenchwench Mon, May 16, 2011 3:03:00pm |
re: #53 Simply Sarah
So on a bike in Idaho, Stop actually means Yield?
Yep. I think it's a bad idea, personally, but some cyclists are trying to get the same privilege in their states and localities.
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albusteve Mon, May 16, 2011 3:03:47pm |
re: #55 BongCrodny
"Sovereign citizen" sounds suspiciously like "first among equals."
or white makes right
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jamesfirecat Mon, May 16, 2011 3:05:04pm |
"Who here has been to school?"
That shouldn't be the kind of question that needs to be asked in America.
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Simply Sarah Mon, May 16, 2011 3:05:09pm |
re: #59 wrenchwench
Yep. I think it's a bad idea, personally, but some cyclists are trying to get the same privilege in their states and localities.
Yeah, I agree it seems unwise. I mean, yes, it's a pain on a bike, but I'd rather not get sideswiped by an SUV.
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ProGunLiberal Mon, May 16, 2011 3:06:16pm |
Off topic, but the page for today's update is up. Unfortunately, Twitpics isn't allowing a map on to twitter, which means no map.
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sod Mon, May 16, 2011 3:08:07pm |
re: #21 windsagio
re: #23 Simply Sarah
Hmmm, not sure what the deal with my Chrome is.
I finished watching the segment in IE. Seeing that punk kid firing that AK47 was very disturbing. And then the police chief coming on scene and finding out his son was one of the troopers lying dead on the ground. Wow. The day you dread and hope never comes.
The thing about Wesley Snipes though mentions Sovereign language in his legal filings - I wonder if that makes Snipes a Sovereign citizen or his lawyer. Media Matters and 60 minutes imply it's Snipes.
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wrenchwench Mon, May 16, 2011 3:08:30pm |
re: #62 Simply Sarah
Yeah, I agree it seems unwise. I mean, yes, it's a pain on a bike, but I'd rather not get sideswiped by an SUV.
It can be done safely (the law requires that you slow down and look) but I think it will just piss off motorists more, and undermine the rights of cyclists if they ask to be something other than vehicles on the road with all the same rights and responsibilities.
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Simply Sarah Mon, May 16, 2011 3:09:55pm |
re: #66 wrenchwench
It can be done safely (the law requires that you slow down and look) but I think it will just piss off motorists more, and undermine the rights of cyclists if they ask to be something other than vehicles on the road with all the same rights and responsibilities.
Yep. If you want to be treated like a car or motorcycle, you're gonna get treated like a car or motorcycle.
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windsagio Mon, May 16, 2011 3:10:02pm |
re: #66 wrenchwench
It can be done safely (the law requires that you slow down and look) but I think it will just piss off motorists more, and undermine the rights of cyclists if they ask to be something other than vehicles on the road with all the same rights and responsibilities.
This.
On the other hand, most cyclists blow off stop signs anyways, so maybe its just a case of not fighting reality ><
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Alexzander Mon, May 16, 2011 3:11:04pm |
I find movements like the Sovereign Citizens fascinating and wish I could work in some capacity studying them. At one point I considered trying to be an undercover monitor of similar groups for the ADL.
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albusteve Mon, May 16, 2011 3:12:47pm |
re: #69 Alexzander
I find movements like the Sovereign Citizens fascinating and wish I could work in some capacity studying them. At one point I considered trying to be an undercover monitor of similar groups for the ADL.
join the FBI
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wrenchwench Mon, May 16, 2011 3:13:10pm |
re: #68 windsagio
This.
On the other hand, most cyclists blow off stop signs anyways, so maybe its just a case of not fighting reality ><
I'm afraid Vehicular Cyclists are constantly fighting reality...
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windsagio Mon, May 16, 2011 3:13:44pm |
re: #69 Alexzander
it sounds like aside from the web, they're usually pretty much loners... And often travel heavily.
One of the weirder things in the clip is the 'travelling snake oil salesman' element of the people they referenced.
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albusteve Mon, May 16, 2011 3:15:23pm |
re: #71 wrenchwench
I'm afraid Vehicular Cyclists are constantly fighting reality...
they used to call that common sense...but times change, and the need to sound more profound is important enough to come up with terms like this
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Alexzander Mon, May 16, 2011 3:16:26pm |
re: #70 albusteve
join the FBI
I've thought about it and I think I would excel there (background in philosophy). But I also have three citizenships (no kidding) and close friends who self-identify as anarchists so I doubt I'd pass a background check. Or I'd end up spying on friends.
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BongCrodny Mon, May 16, 2011 3:16:31pm |
From Wiki:
The sovereign citizen movement is a loose network of American litigants, commentators and financial scheme promoters. Self-described "sovereign citizens" believe that they are answerable only to English common law and are not subject to any statutes or proceedings at the federal, state or municipal levels. They especially reject most forms of taxation as illegitimate.
...and wear powdered wigs in the privacy of their own homes.
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wrenchwench Mon, May 16, 2011 3:16:32pm |
re: #64 sod
The thing about Wesley Snipes though mentions Sovereign language in his legal filings - I wonder if that makes Snipes a Sovereign citizen or his lawyer. Media Matters and 60 minutes imply it's Snipes.
I imagine the lawyer and the client would work together on the client's documents. But they are Snipes's documents, so he's the one claiming to be a Sovereign Citizen.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Mon, May 16, 2011 3:18:09pm |
re: #76 wrenchwench
I imagine the lawyer and the client would work together on the client's documents. But they are Snipes's documents, so he's the one claiming to be a Sovereign Citizen.
Could just be tax protesting, though. There is some overlap. Same gobledeegook. Jared Loughner was also into this, remember?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, May 16, 2011 3:18:18pm |
re: #72 windsagio
it sounds like aside from the web, they're usually pretty much loners... And often travel heavily.
One of the weirder things in the clip is the 'travelling snake oil salesman' element of the people they referenced.
Well, you really can't live in a community and act like this--they catch up to you--and the guys who have the skills and inclination to just go out into the woods and live free do so, and get the hell out of our hair one way or another. The remainder essentially end up on the roads, and like the Roma or the Travelers, they figure out ways to make a living doing that.
Horse-trading is less possible these days, and people no longer have their pots and pans mended...and I wouldn't trust any of these guys to tell my fortune--but car repairs and cons are always good stand-bys.
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wrenchwench Mon, May 16, 2011 3:18:41pm |
re: #73 albusteve
they used to call that common sense...but times change, and the need to sound more profound is important enough to come up with terms like this
Our bible is as big as anyone's.
Effective Cycling: 6th Edition
Paperback: 625 pages
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, May 16, 2011 3:18:43pm |
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aagcobb Mon, May 16, 2011 3:19:57pm |
re: #64 sod
Probably Snipes himself. Sovereign citizens loathe attorneys. Many of them believe the "real" 13th Amendment stripped attorneys of their US citizenship and bans them from holding public office.
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windsagio Mon, May 16, 2011 3:20:07pm |
re: #78 SanFranciscoZionist
And the day of the boomer are over sadly >
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albusteve Mon, May 16, 2011 3:20:14pm |
re: #79 wrenchwench
Our bible is as big as anyone's.
okay...I give up
there are probably millions of words in print on how to wipe your ass too
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BongCrodny Mon, May 16, 2011 3:20:49pm |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, May 16, 2011 3:21:12pm |
Utterly random thought--Longfellow's Evangeline would have been a very short poem if he tried to write it today.
E: Wr R U?
G: Chlln in NO.
E: K. C U soon.
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God of Binders with Women Mon, May 16, 2011 3:21:56pm |
"Sixteen-year-old son, home schooled and raised on sovereign ideology."
Take that, a bad haircut and a white coat from the 70's, and PRESTO! You have one fucked up kid.
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Kragar Mon, May 16, 2011 3:22:38pm |
re: #87 EmmmieG
Utterly random thought--Longfellow's Evangeline would have been a very short poem if he tried to write it today.
E: Wr R U?
G: Chlln in NO.
E: K. C U soon.
Equally random, think about how many old movies could have been solved in minutes if someone had a cellphone.
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albusteve Mon, May 16, 2011 3:22:45pm |
re: #87 EmmmieG
Utterly random thought--Longfellow's Evangeline would have been a very short poem if he tried to write it today.
E: Wr R U?
G: Chlln in NO.
E: K. C U soon.
this Evangeline trumps that old crap...
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Mon, May 16, 2011 3:23:07pm |
re: #77 000G
Could just be tax protesting, though. There is some overlap. Same gobledeegook. Jared Loughner was also into this, remember?
Speaking of Loughner: J.J. McNab, the woman who they used as an expert on the movement in this 60 Minutes piece, identified Loughner as a sovereign citizen: [Link: blogs.forbes.com...]
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BongCrodny Mon, May 16, 2011 3:23:16pm |
re: #85 albusteve
okay...I give up
there are probably millions of words in print on how to wipe your ass too
There are 4,720,000 hits for a Google search for the phrase "wipe your ass," and 821,000 hits for "how to wipe your ass."
Hey, I'm here to help.
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windsagio Mon, May 16, 2011 3:23:49pm |
re: #91 kragar (proud to be kafir)
Not to mention Shakespeare plays ><
I'mportant text: "Dear Romeo, I'm faking DON'T KILL YOURSELF!"
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, May 16, 2011 3:24:29pm |
re: #88 Kid A
"Sixteen-year-old son, home schooled and raised on sovereign ideology."
Take that, a bad haircut and a white coat from the 70's, and PRESTO! You have one fucked up kid.
Kid will end up dead or in jail in pretty short order.
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Alexzander Mon, May 16, 2011 3:24:44pm |
re: #93 000G
Speaking of Loughner: J.J. McNab, the woman who they used as an expert on the movement in this 60 Minutes piece, identified Loughner as a sovereign citizen: [Link: blogs.forbes.com...]
Yeah I was just reading about that myself. Here is her blog on it: http://www.deathandtaxes.com/?p=8
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wrenchwench Mon, May 16, 2011 3:25:28pm |
re: #77 000G
Could just be tax protesting, though. There is some overlap. Same gobledeegook. Jared Loughner was also into this, remember?
He may be motivated by a desire to avoid taxes, but by choosing this method, I think you have to take the word "just" out of there. It's a certain kind of tax protesting with certain other implications.
Yes, Loughner was attracted to Sovereign Citizen stuff. I don't know how deeply...
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ReamWorks SKG Mon, May 16, 2011 3:25:29pm |
It always amuses me how unemployed, deeply in debt people, are angry about taxes and government control. He can easily qualify for unemployment, EITC, and food stamps.
This guy lost his house to foreclosure. That means he lost his house because he refused to perform to the terms he agreed to when he signed a contract. Wouldn't a contract between two non-government entities be the very thing that a "sovereign Citizen" would value the most? What kind of society of Sovereign Citizens can function if contracts between individuals weren't upheld? I don't see any logic or consistency to these people's philosophy. It's just anarchy.
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jamesfirecat Mon, May 16, 2011 3:25:56pm |
re: #85 albusteve
okay...I give up
there are probably millions of words in print on how to wipe your ass too
See Grunthos the Flatulent's Zen And The Art Of Going To The Lavatory
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, May 16, 2011 3:27:01pm |
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bluecheese Mon, May 16, 2011 3:27:17pm |
That dashboard cam that they played was especially disturbing to me.
They killing people over being pulled over by the fuzz?
Wow.
Aint a lick of sense in doing something like that. No way, no how.
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BongCrodny Mon, May 16, 2011 3:27:23pm |
re: #102 jamesfirecat
See Grunthos the Flatulent's Zen And The Art Of Going To The Lavatory
Second edition emission
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windsagio Mon, May 16, 2011 3:27:51pm |
re: #102 jamesfirecat
Or Rabelais Gargantua and Pantagruel
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Kragar Mon, May 16, 2011 3:29:42pm |
re: #96 windsagio
Not to mention Shakespeare plays ><
I'mportant text: "Dear Romeo, I'm faking DON'T KILL YOURSELF!"
Think of all the old spy movies where they had to smuggle the microfilm around.
"Hold up dude, got my camera phone, just posted it to my Facebook."
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, May 16, 2011 3:29:49pm |
re: #107 windsagio
OT: SFZ, who is this Mellymel, and why do they hate you?
Mellymel?
I've no idea. I think they posted a bit a while ago.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, May 16, 2011 3:29:54pm |
re: #107 windsagio
OT: SFZ, who is this Mellymel, and why do they hate you?
You're being stalked by a Spice Girl?
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Mon, May 16, 2011 3:30:15pm |
Who knew?
"CBS 60 Minutes Piece Demonizes Constitutionalists"
Okay, I really gotta go to bed.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, May 16, 2011 3:30:42pm |
re: #109 SanFranciscoZionist
Mellymel?
I've no idea. I think they posted a bit a while ago.
Who/what/where? Huh?
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, May 16, 2011 3:31:00pm |
re: #107 windsagio
OT: SFZ, who is this Mellymel, and why do they hate you?
They either don't read, lack comprehension, or are a stalker.
My 2 cents!
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windsagio Mon, May 16, 2011 3:31:12pm |
re: #108 kragar (proud to be kafir)
That's just wikileaks ><
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albusteve Mon, May 16, 2011 3:31:23pm |
funny how often stalkers get attention here by the very people they despise...seems to be an equal fixation to me, and not healthy
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Kragar Mon, May 16, 2011 3:31:30pm |
re: #111 000G
Who knew?
"CBS 60 Minutes Piece Demonizes Constitutionalists"
[Video]Okay, I really gotta go to bed.
This being the same man who said Bush killed Osama 9 years ago and had him on ice so he could let Obama unveil him.
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wrenchwench Mon, May 16, 2011 3:31:37pm |
re: #107 windsagio
OT: SFZ, who is this Mellymel, and why do they hate you?
MellyMel is what I call a contra-dinger. One always notices them when looking at the Spy, because he or she is dinging the opposite way of the majority. One needs more info than just that in order to jump to conclusions, however.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, May 16, 2011 3:31:50pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, May 16, 2011 3:31:54pm |
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windsagio Mon, May 16, 2011 3:32:01pm |
re: #116 albusteve
funny how often stalkers get attention here by the very people they despise...seems to be an equal fixation to me, and not healthy
Everyone's getting their needs met Steve :D It's no different than you randomly picking fights >>
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windsagio Mon, May 16, 2011 3:32:48pm |
re: #119 SanFranciscoZionist
Trump. Downdinging you and updinging (lol) Buck. Looks done tho'
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SpaceJesus Mon, May 16, 2011 3:33:03pm |
Yeah, I had one of these guys at the tax law clinic this semester. Hadn't filed his state or federal returns since the 1980s and wanted me to go back and do them all for him.
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albusteve Mon, May 16, 2011 3:33:03pm |
dinging should only be allowed for a set time then shut down...like 24hrs...that's enough time to get a dingasm
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justaminute Mon, May 16, 2011 3:33:18pm |
When I used to work at the IRS some 20 years ago, my first job was a "Special Searcher." I would receive the correspondence from the audited tax payer and place it in the taxpayer's folder. We would receive papers sent from the taxpayer who was declining to pay their taxes and the heading "I am a Sovereign Citizen of these United States......" Their correspondence would be at least 200 or 300 pages. They were originally brought into audit by sending in a tax return with their name and address and no SSN. They would scribble all kinds of messages on the edge of the paper. It got so bad they made it a law with a penalty that it was illegal to write messages on on boarders of your tax return.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, May 16, 2011 3:33:38pm |
re: #122 windsagio
Trump. Downdinging you and updinging (lol) Buck. Looks done tho'
Hmmm. Maybe I was too hard on Buck. We were all in a mood this morning for some reason.
Election's getting near. The tribes are gathering.
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Kragar Mon, May 16, 2011 3:33:39pm |
re: #116 albusteve
funny how often stalkers get attention here by the very people they despise...seems to be an equal fixation to me, and not healthy
Best way to deal with an attention whore is to ignore it.
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Shiplord Kirel Mon, May 16, 2011 3:33:47pm |
I have railed against conspiracy theories and the conspiracy industry for decades now but there have been times when I have thought that it served a socially useful purpose by essentially taking certain people out of the political process.
They still vote but their votes are influenced by conspiracist fantasy and we can therefore count on them not to vote coherently toward a certain interest. For instance, exceptionally greedy, cruel, and short sighted business people might be expected to favor legislation to abolish the minimum wage or OSHA or repeal the Thirteenth Amendment As it is though, they are diverted into fretting and screeching about Paulian Fed conspiracies and pushing the gold standard. Similarly, racists might want to stop aid to Israel or re-institute segregation but they cannot work toward these ends because they are diverted by Sovereign Citizen mumbo-jumbo. If I were a nefarious operator in the Military Industrial complex, I might promote UFO conspiracies just to keep a large bloc of susceptible people from caring too much about contracting irregularities. If you can't make them fat, dumb, and happy; at least make them fat, dumb, and confused.
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Surabaya Stew Mon, May 16, 2011 3:34:03pm |
re: #124 albusteve
dinging should only be allowed for a set time then shut down...like 24hrs...that's enough time to get a dingasm
Upding for using the term "dingasm".
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wrenchwench Mon, May 16, 2011 3:34:07pm |
re: #123 SpaceJesus
Yeah, I had one of these guys at the tax law clinic this semester. Hadn't filed his state or federal returns since the 1980s and wanted me to go back and do them all for him.
Did you just graduate? Did you go see Kagan's speech?
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windsagio Mon, May 16, 2011 3:34:18pm |
re: #126 SanFranciscoZionist
Election's getting near. The tribes are gathering.
Ain't that the truth. Things are getting fun an interetsing again! It was pretty grim there for a while :(
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, May 16, 2011 3:34:45pm |
re: #123 SpaceJesus
Yeah, I had one of these guys at the tax law clinic this semester. Hadn't filed his state or federal returns since the 1980s and wanted me to go back and do them all for him.
Now that's something.
One of my friends, her mom didn't do her taxes for about six or seven years after her husband died, but it wasn't a political thing, she was just depressed.
When she began to come out of mourning, she got the taxes done.
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albusteve Mon, May 16, 2011 3:34:57pm |
re: #121 windsagio
Everyone's getting their needs met Steve :D It's no different than you randomly picking fights >>
ya think?...maybe a few people here would disagree with your bullshit...comparing me to the stalkers sounds like you have a problem...go back to drawing pictures of space monsters
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wrenchwench Mon, May 16, 2011 3:35:20pm |
re: #125 justaminute
When I used to work at the IRS some 20 years ago, my first job was a "Special Searcher." I would receive the correspondence from the audited tax payer and place it in the taxpayer's folder. We would receive papers sent from the taxpayer who was declining to pay their taxes and the heading "I am a Sovereign Citizen of these United States..." Their correspondence would be at least 200 or 300 pages. They were originally brought into audit by sending in a tax return with their name and address and no SSN. They would scribble all kinds of messages on the edge of the paper. It got so bad they made it a law with a penalty that it was illegal to write messages on on boarders of your tax return.
Hence the term "borderline personality disorder"?
/
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, May 16, 2011 3:35:36pm |
re: #123 SpaceJesus
I did 8 years worth of back taxes for an elderly relative, it's not pretty.
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Digital Display Mon, May 16, 2011 3:36:18pm |
re: #136 Floral Giraffe
I did 8 years worth of back taxes for an elderly relative, it's not pretty.
{{Floral}}
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albusteve Mon, May 16, 2011 3:36:33pm |
re: #126 SanFranciscoZionist
Hmmm. Maybe I was too hard on Buck. We were all in a mood this morning for some reason.
Election's getting near. The tribes are gathering.
I think so...it goes too far too quick...people pile on Buck because they can...but if I step in to defend him I get deleted
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windsagio Mon, May 16, 2011 3:36:46pm |
re: #134 albusteve
Weren't you just comparing the whole community to the stalkers? :p
Seriously tho', we're all the same. People like that feeling of righteous outrage and victimization... and having an enemy tribe can be fun.
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justaminute Mon, May 16, 2011 3:37:39pm |
re: #135 wrenchwench
Hence the term "borderline personality disorder"?
/
You would've been a hit at the IRS!
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albusteve Mon, May 16, 2011 3:38:08pm |
re: #127 kragar (proud to be kafir)
Best way to deal with an attention whore is to ignore it.
I agree...trouble is the stalked want the attention for being stalked, so round and round they go....remember Irish Rose?...
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Kragar Mon, May 16, 2011 3:38:12pm |
re: #140 windsagio
Weren't you just comparing the whole community to the stalkers? :p
Seriously tho', we're all the same. People like that feeling of righteous outrage and victimization... and having an enemy tribe can be fun.
Not everyone and I am shocked and disappointed that you would make such a claim.
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Kragar Mon, May 16, 2011 3:39:14pm |
re: #142 albusteve
I agree...trouble is the stalked want the attention for being stalked, so round and round they go...remember Irish Rose?...
Vaguely
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windsagio Mon, May 16, 2011 3:39:17pm |
re: #135 wrenchwench
Interesting factoid. The vast majority of people diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder are female. (Women are 3x more likely to be diagnosed than men). The question is whether its a legit factor or just sexism in action.
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albusteve Mon, May 16, 2011 3:39:47pm |
re: #143 kragar (proud to be kafir)
Not everyone and I am shocked and disappointed that you would make such a claim.
the doofi are loose
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, May 16, 2011 3:40:10pm |
I think MellyMel just didn't like it when I got personal. The ones where I'm not cussing aren't downdinged.
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windsagio Mon, May 16, 2011 3:40:14pm |
re: #143 kragar (proud to be kafir)
What claim? That' we're all the same? :D
I hate to be the one to tell ya, but ain't none of us the special flower of our imaginations.
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BongCrodny Mon, May 16, 2011 3:40:17pm |
re: #145 windsagio
Interesting factoid. The vast majority of people diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder are female. (Women are 3x more likely to be diagnosed than men). The question is whether its a legit factor or just sexism in action.
Men are better at faking sanity.
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windsagio Mon, May 16, 2011 3:40:48pm |
re: #147 SanFranciscoZionist
problem solved, then. The spy is just so... hypnotic to watch :D
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wrenchwench Mon, May 16, 2011 3:40:59pm |
re: #145 windsagio
Interesting factoid. The vast majority of people diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder are female. (Women are 3x more likely to be diagnosed than men). The question is whether its a legit factor or just sexism in action.
I bet men are in the majority of Full Blown Personality Disorder. Women just lack the testosterone to strive and achieve.
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Kragar Mon, May 16, 2011 3:41:54pm |
This has been a test of our emergency sarcasm system. In the event of an actual sarcastic emergency, it would most likely have been overlooked.
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albusteve Mon, May 16, 2011 3:42:03pm |
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ReamWorks SKG Mon, May 16, 2011 3:42:05pm |
re: #145 windsagio
That's interesting. You wonder why most of these tax protesters are men....
The Internet is a dangerous place for nutty people. In the old days, random nuts couldn't find each other easily. Nowadays, they can easily find each other and hone their theories.
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God of Binders with Women Mon, May 16, 2011 3:44:03pm |
Did any of you guys catch the license plate at 7.41 of the video? "Kingdom of Heaven" And the old dude sounds like just another Teabag screaming about "limited government.
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windsagio Mon, May 16, 2011 3:44:29pm |
re: #152 kragar (proud to be kafir)
whups ><
re: #151 wrenchwench
Looking at the list, there seems to be a definite pattern with personality disorders actually. I'm hardly a pychologist, but most of them seem tied to negative female stereotypes. (see: List)
re: #154 reuven
Had some interesting convos with WUB about furries and fetishes in general around that idea. Same basic idea, slightly different angle.
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albusteve Mon, May 16, 2011 3:44:43pm |
re: #148 windsagio
What claim? That' we're all the same? :D
I hate to be the one to tell ya, but ain't none of us the special flower of our imaginations.
yeah, go ahead and tell Kragar how to perceive his world according to yours...
bwahahaha!
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windsagio Mon, May 16, 2011 3:47:33pm |
re: #157 albusteve
I grant you, it was almost as bad a slipup as you blowing your act the other day by quoting the wrong post ;)
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albusteve Mon, May 16, 2011 3:48:24pm |
re: #158 windsagio
I grant you, it was almost as bad a slipup as you blowing your act the other day by quoting the wrong post ;)
LOL!
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Alexzander Mon, May 16, 2011 3:48:58pm |
re: #145 windsagio
Interesting factoid. The vast majority of people diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder are female. (Women are 3x more likely to be diagnosed than men). The question is whether its a legit factor or just sexism in action.
BPD is in my opinion one of the more dubious diagnostic categories in the DSM-IV, alongside the expansion of bipolar disorder and ADHD.
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sod Mon, May 16, 2011 3:49:04pm |
re: #133 SanFranciscoZionist
I gotta admit that I've lost a lot of interest in filling things out over the years. In fact, I've lost interest in reading things that come in the mail. I've switched jobs enough to grow tired of all the different insurance plan options, retirement plans, health savings accounts, prescription drug plans - then add in cell phone plans, cable tv plans, internet plans, bank card offers, mortgage refinance, magazine subscriptions, netflix, hulu, HOA covenants, car insurance, etc. etc. My first reaction to anything that comes in the mail is "now what?".
If it wasn't for turbo tax making it so easy I don't know how good I'd be about filing taxes on a regular basis.
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Kragar Mon, May 16, 2011 3:49:44pm |
And I see everyone has overlooked the biggest news of the day
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sod Mon, May 16, 2011 3:51:18pm |
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Digital Display Mon, May 16, 2011 3:52:01pm |
re: #162 kragar (proud to be kafir)
And I see everyone has overlooked the biggest news of the day
I saw him in San Jose sometime in the 80's...
Holy Diver was my favorite song by him
RIP Ronnie
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windsagio Mon, May 16, 2011 3:52:02pm |
re: #164 kragar (proud to be kafir)
That better? :D I was a second too early.
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albusteve Mon, May 16, 2011 3:53:29pm |
re: #167 HoosierHoops
I saw him in San Jose sometime in the 80's...
Holy Diver was my favorite song by him
RIP Ronnie
never heard of him but I hate to see people go before a fair time on this earth
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Kragar Mon, May 16, 2011 3:55:25pm |
For Dio: The Only Appropriate Tribute
Coffee. My mouth tasted like coffee and a little bit like cheese Danish, probably because it was full of coffee and a little bit of cheese Danish.
The constant, clattering rattle of my fellow office workers typing was somehow amplified and made hollow, bouncing off the walls of my cubicle. One half of my hand was asleep, split down the middle vertically: The ring and pinky fingers gone numb. Something about the height at which I held my mouse did that, I presumed. I fumbled it over and closed Firefox. I swallowed my coffee; it was the hardest thing I have ever had to do in my life.
Shit, I mumbled in shock.
Whats up, man? Everything OK? Stanley, my friend in the cubicle opposite me, poked his head over the wall like the neighbor from Home Improvement. I hated when he did that. Trying to hold a conversation with somebody peeking down at you over a wall while you remain sitting at your desk is so fundamentally awkward. Your seated posture, which seemed so natural a second ago, suddenly feels stupid and inappropriate.
Dio just died, I recited to him, like I had only memorized the words phonetically and had no idea as to their meaning.
What? Who?
I stood up abruptly, the back of my knees straightening so quickly that they sent my wheeled office chair spinning out into the corridor between cubicle rows.
Whoa, whats going on, dude? Stanley asked, coming around the barrier to stare into my face. Oh shit. I know that look. Thats the Im going out to get supernaturally tanked and engage in a series of increasingly wacky shenanigans that accidentally end in tragedy look. Am I right?
No, Stanley, I informed him, adjusting the length of my shirt-cuffs on my wrists and straightening my tie, What happens next is very deliberate. In a moment, I am going to take the elevator to the ground floor, where I will exit this building. I will proceed two blocks east to Promenade Plaza, where I will strip naked and lay siege to the doughnut shop. If police arrive, I will maul them with my teeth. I will escape on foot, and make my way to the fairgrounds out by the paper mill. Once there, I will burn down the circus. Then I am going to steal the largest, fastest car I can find, and I am going to crash that car at a terrible speed into the oldest and most sacred looking tree I can find. I will then mouth-fuck the OnStar operator from the wreckage.
All measure of reason drained from Stanleys face.
But why? He asked plainly.
Because Dio taught me, in part, what it is to be a man. Oh, he did not teach the rational lessons: He did not teach me morality, or responsibility, or restraint. No, Stanley, he taught me that being a man means sometimes ruining things in the most extravagant fashion possible. Because you can, and because its awesome. And Dio died today, so now I am going to ruin things. I am going to ruin everything, Stanley. For Dio.
I took another bite of Danish; I would need the calories.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, May 16, 2011 3:57:35pm |
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Kragar Mon, May 16, 2011 3:58:26pm |
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William Barnett-Lewis Mon, May 16, 2011 3:58:26pm |
Here's another lost way too freaking soon, Randy Rhoads.
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Digital Display Mon, May 16, 2011 4:00:46pm |
Man this brings back memories..We saw Dio in San Jose with queensryche...It was a great concert..We were just banging our heads back to Napa that night.. It was so much fun and we were so young having fun on a saturday night...
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makeitstop Mon, May 16, 2011 4:01:57pm |
re: #171 SanFranciscoZionist
That is...awesome.
I'm reading the whole thing now. Even more awesome in its entirety.
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albusteve Mon, May 16, 2011 4:03:39pm |
Dave Mathews rockin Central Park
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Kragar Mon, May 16, 2011 4:05:30pm |
re: #174 HoosierHoops
Man this brings back memories..We saw Dio in San Jose with queensryche...It was a great concert..We were just banging our heads back to Napa that night.. It was so much fun and we were so young having fun on a saturday night...
Saw Motorhead, Dio, and Iron Maiden about 7 years ago.
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albusteve Mon, May 16, 2011 4:13:47pm |
Metal is always the end of the line...there is nowhere to go but backwards from there
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Kragar Mon, May 16, 2011 4:15:07pm |
re: #178 albusteve
Metal is always the end of the line...there is nowhere to go but backwards from there
It is the Alpha and the Omega
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albusteve Mon, May 16, 2011 4:17:30pm |
re: #179 kragar (proud to be kafir)
It is the Alpha and the Omega
alpha?....
heavy metal is at the end of a long line of precursors...it's an evolution going back to Charlie Patton
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Kragar Mon, May 16, 2011 4:20:54pm |
re: #180 albusteve
alpha?...
heavy metal is at the end of a long line of precursors...it's an evolution going back to Charlie Patton
Its a well known fact that classical music only was created because the early composers could not handle hearing the gift of metal granted them by the gods.
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albusteve Mon, May 16, 2011 4:22:14pm |
Mother Africa
Congo Square
field hollers and chain gang chants
the Delta Blues
Chicago electric blues
rhythm and blues
rockabilly
rock and roll
psychedelic rock and roll
metal
it's easy
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Spocomptonite Mon, May 16, 2011 4:23:31pm |
I saw the word, 'sovereign' and my first though was, REAPERS!!!!
Sorry, maybe I should stop playing the Mass Effect series for today.
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windsagio Mon, May 16, 2011 4:24:21pm |
re: #182 albusteve
Progressive metal goes on from there.
Also things like Clutch, but I don't know how you'd actually define Clutch >>
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makeitstop Mon, May 16, 2011 4:26:24pm |
re: #184 windsagio
Progressive metal goes on from there.
Also things like Clutch, but I don't know how you'd actually define Clutch >>
Clutch is badass. There is simply no other way to put it.
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albusteve Mon, May 16, 2011 4:29:54pm |
re: #185 makeitstop
Clutch is badass. There is simply no other way to put it.
sure there is, but I won't
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Spocomptonite Mon, May 16, 2011 4:36:06pm |
*watches video*
Yeah, this stuff. *retch*
I have a couple relatives that are like this (isolationist, gun-hoarding, no social security/ids etc etc). And by 'like this', I mean in ideology, not in actions. Even so, I worked the census in their district, and even I was scared to go there. Let me tell you, family gatherings were, uh, awkward last summer.
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makeitstop Mon, May 16, 2011 4:37:35pm |
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SpaceJesus Mon, May 16, 2011 5:13:30pm |
re: #131 wrenchwench
Did you just graduate? Did you go see Kagan's speech?
Yeah, I just walked Saturday. Kagan shook my hand after I was hooded, I accidentally stepped on her toes.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, May 16, 2011 5:15:53pm |
re: #190 SpaceJesus
CONGRATULATIONS!
Welcome to the real world.
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wrenchwench Mon, May 16, 2011 5:16:50pm |
re: #190 SpaceJesus
Yeah, I just walked Saturday. Kagan shook my hand after I was hooded, I accidentally stepped on her toes.
LOL
You can tell your grandchildren...
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wrenchwench Mon, May 16, 2011 5:17:45pm |
re: #191 Floral Giraffe
CONGRATULATIONS!
Welcome to the real world.
He's going to be a lawyer...he can't stay long.
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SpaceJesus Mon, May 16, 2011 5:18:36pm |
re: #192 wrenchwench
she gave us the "real" talk in a little room before we went outside to the formal commencement. we had a toast of champagne and we gave her a present. really nice lady.
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wrenchwench Mon, May 16, 2011 5:20:29pm |
re: #194 SpaceJesus
she gave us the "real" talk in a little room before we went outside to the formal commencement. we had a toast of champagne and we gave her a present. really nice lady.
This was her first speech since she was sworn in, right? Can I ask what you gave her?
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SpaceJesus Mon, May 16, 2011 5:21:52pm |
re: #195 wrenchwench
Yeah, it was her first public address as a Justice. We gave her a Nambe (fancy silver) plate that said thank you from the UNMSOL class of 2011.
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wrenchwench Mon, May 16, 2011 5:26:29pm |
re: #196 SpaceJesus
Yeah, it was her first public address as a Justice. We gave her a Nambe (fancy silver) plate that said thank you from the UNMSOL class of 2011.
Nice. I'll look for it on the wall over her shoulder in her official photos in the future.
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SpaceJesus Mon, May 16, 2011 5:28:27pm |
re: #197 wrenchwench
I don't know if you listen to ABQ NPR, but supposedly I was on All Things Considered when they interviewed me about her speech after I walked. I've yet to find it though, I still have family in town from back East to herd around.
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wrenchwench Mon, May 16, 2011 5:41:12pm |
re: #198 SpaceJesus
I don't know if you listen to ABQ NPR, but supposedly I was on All Things Considered when they interviewed me about her speech after I walked. I've yet to find it though, I still have family in town from back East to herd around.
I don't get that, but I trust you will provide a link when you find one.
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Intenzity Mon, May 16, 2011 5:54:50pm |
As if your shotgun/ak/glock is going to protect you against the full might of the U.S. government/military.....this is how nuts they are.
Do you have an Apache helicopter there, mr. sovereign? Oh you dont...hmmm you loose.
Go watch the wikileaks video, you nut jobs, in the sequel you will be playing the part of the dead iraqi's and the night-vision enabled heat seeking missles and .50 cal machines guns that kill you, and come from a helicopter you don't even see or hear will be played by..well, the U.S. Military/Law Enforcement/The Man.
Idiots. What's the defense budget for your little sovereign compound there mr. freedom? Is it 9 TRILLION dollars? No? Hmmm, that's too bad. I am gonna bet on the side with the multi-trillion dollar military budget and F-17's and armored personnel carriers then, not the side with the guy who writes his mark with a red crayon and drives a mini-van.
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nealjannol Mon, May 16, 2011 6:13:49pm |
i watched this too and got a good laugh, but really this stuff is not funny. These people are probably diagnosable as lacking in major functions. I understand that we have free speech, but there needs to be some limit - the leader of the group essentially committed a terrorist act and killed two policemen. I think the more oxygen you give them, the worse, i would rather 60 minutes have spent more time on the afghan intelligence guy.
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DaddyLawBucks Mon, May 16, 2011 7:23:15pm |
re: #194 SpaceJesus
Congratulations! Good luck with the bar exam and all that.
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SpaceJesus Mon, May 16, 2011 7:40:41pm |
re: #202 daddylawbucks
Congratulations! Good luck with the bar exam and all that.
gracias, bar prep starts tomorrow
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funky chicken Mon, May 16, 2011 8:27:02pm |
I just watched an excellent documentary on PBS about the Freedom Riders, and these creeps remind me of the mobs that beat the crap out of those kids in 1961.
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funky chicken Mon, May 16, 2011 8:27:43pm |
Or they remind me of the guy who was the governor of Alabama at the time.
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funky chicken Mon, May 16, 2011 8:34:42pm |
re: #11 darthstar
The government can't tell you what to do, but they get to keep sending you disability checks and they can pay your medical bills.
And they certainly have to maintain your interstates, and regulate airlines, and hospitals. And they'd better keep that big government away from Medicare (sic), or they have convened death panels, or something.
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MellyMel Mon, May 16, 2011 9:53:26pm |
re: #147 SanFranciscoZionist
Just saw this... because I am always late to threads! To answer some questions, no, I don't post often primarily because "late" should be my middle name. You'll see that I usually upding when I do come late and would be happy to answer any downdings -- just let me know! By the way, pictures of dogs or cats are always free karma from me!!! :-)
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, May 17, 2011 5:08:13am |
re: #2 BigPapa
These are people who are probably also their own grandpas. So I would not put it past them to try.
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Randall Gross Tue, May 17, 2011 6:02:19am |
Wow -- if you haven't punched out to read the comments at the CBS post on this do so. They've unsealed a huge can full o' crazy with this 60 minutes segment.
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AK-47% Tue, May 17, 2011 7:15:09am |
The report points out that there is no official SC doctrine or manifesto, it is just a collection point for alienated nutcases who have decided that it must be society's fault if they cannot fit in.
Shame there is not a place where we can just send people like this where they will only interact with other like-minded SC-ers and sort things out among themselves.
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RIRedinPA Tue, May 17, 2011 11:54:00am |
re: #37 EmmmieG
Self: We've been robbed!
Self: Egads!
Self: Deploy our Army...
Self: Yes my liege...
...and so forth ad nauseum...
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RIRedinPA Tue, May 17, 2011 11:55:03am |
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thecommodore Tue, May 17, 2011 12:47:37pm |
Don't the comments the Adask fellow makes at the 10:50 mark about shooting politicians remind you a little of what Joyce Kaufman, former chief of staff for Rep. Allen West said at a teabagger rally last year (starting at the 4:45 mark)?
Bad crazyiness runs deep in the conservative movement these days...
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