Colorado GOP Rep. Doug Lamborn: Associating with Obama is ‘Touching a Tar Baby’

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Republican Colorado Rep. Doug Lamborn went on the Caplis and Silverman radio show last Friday, and called President Obama a tar baby.

LAMBORN: Even if some people say ‘well, the Republicans should have done this, or should have done that,’ they will hold the President responsible. Now, I don’t even want to be associated with him, it’s like touching a, a tar baby and you get it…you know you’re stuck and you’re part of the problem and you can’t get away.

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169 comments
1 ProMayaLiberal  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:36:03pm

I live in this scum's district. I'm sorry it.

2 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:36:59pm

Wow....EPIC FAIL

3 teleskiguy  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:37:33pm

He represents Colorado Springs, hyper-conservative part of the state, home of James Dobson and Focus On The Family.

4 Summer Seale  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:38:23pm

But..I thought they said there's no racism in the GOP....

I'm so...disillusioned.

5 theheat  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:39:21pm

Really, who the hell is so ignorant they don't know how offensive that is to a person of color? This was an adult, talking about another adult. I don't want to hear he "didn't know what it meant."

This isn't a dog whistle. It's careless, snotty racism right in front of everyone's face.

What an insufferable prick.

6 Summer Seale  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:39:48pm

By the way....?

Being associated with Doug Lamborn is like touching a shithead, and you just don't want to do that because then your hands get all filthy.

7 Kragar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:40:43pm

How long before we get the "Some of my best friends..." response?

8 jaunte  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:43:53pm

First comment in the ColoradoPOls thread is a complaint that people are being hypersensitive/playing the race card.

9 Gus  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:44:51pm

Another clueless idiot. We should be getting one of those non-apology apologies any minute now.

10 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:45:16pm

re: #8 jaunte

First comment in the ColoradoPOls thread is a complaint that people are being hypersensitive/playing the race card.

I am sure that was part of his reason for uttering it.

11 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:45:39pm

That and being a stupid bigot, of course

12 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:45:51pm

Oh, for gawd's sake, when will these people ever get a grip?

13 Bulworth  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:46:55pm

re: #8 jaunte

First comment in the ColoradoPOls thread is a complaint that people are being hypersensitive/playing the race card.

Also, too: Blood Libel!!

14 Lidane  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:47:11pm

re: #12 reine.de.tout

Oh, for gawd's sake, when will these people ever get a grip?

Why should they? This sort of crap plays with their base.

15 Virginia Plain  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:47:22pm

re: #1 ProLifeLiberal

I live in this scum's district. I'm sorry it.

I apologize too. I didn't vote for him, but I apologize anyway.

16 Bulworth  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:47:23pm

re: #10 ralphieboy

I am sure that was part of his reason for uttering it.

See what you made me do!

17 SpaceJesus  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:47:33pm

[Link: money.cnn.com...]

"Graduate students would have to pay interest accruing on federal loans while they're still in school under the new debt deal."

This would trigger riots in any Western nation, but not here....

18 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:48:49pm

re: #13 Bulworth

Also, too: Blood Libel!!


tar libel!

19 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:49:32pm

I'm not even bothered by the racism so much as the complete unwillingness to work with a very centrist and very compromising president.

That's the most dangerous part. The rest is just offensive. But the lack of willing to work with Obama is breaking US government.

I don't see an end in sight.

20 jaunte  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:49:51pm

Denver Fox affiliate headline:
"Colorado Rep. Lamborn's 'tar baby' comment riles the left"

'Riles the left'... not that it riles people with good manners and sense, just "the left."

21 SpaceJesus  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:50:37pm

re: #20 jaunte

jesus fucking christ

22 mr.fusion  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:50:44pm

re: #19 Obdicut

I'm not even bothered by the racism so much as the complete unwillingness to work with a very centrist and very compromising president.

That's the most dangerous part. The rest is just offensive. But the lack of willing to work with Obama is breaking US government.

I don't see an end in sight.

I agree, but I think the racism and obstructionism kind of go hand in hand

23 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:50:44pm

re: #19 Obdicut

That's the most dangerous part. The rest is just offensive. But the lack of willing to work with Obama is breaking US government.

The Tea party faction works poorly and only begrudgingly with Boehner and the GOP if that makes you feel any better...

24 Interesting Times  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:51:25pm

re: #20 jaunte

Denver Fox affiliate headline:
Colorado Rep. Lamborn's 'tar baby' comment riles the left"

'Riles the left'... not that it riles people with good manners and sense, just "the left."

Lovely. I expect Fox to give Rep. Lamborn (R-acist) his own show any minute now.

25 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:51:29pm

re: #20 jaunte

Denver Fox affiliate headline:
"Colorado Rep. Lamborn's 'tar baby' comment riles the left"

'Riles the left'... not that it riles people with good manners and sense, just "the left."


That is the standard spin they put on such blunt utterances.

26 Bulworth  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:51:47pm

re: #23 ralphieboy

The Tea party faction works poorly and only begrudgingly with Boehner and the GOP if that makes you feel any better...

Which reminds me. Have you thanked a teabagger for your freedom today?

//

27 Kragar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:52:19pm

re: #20 jaunte

Denver Fox affiliate headline:
"Colorado Rep. Lamborn's 'tar baby' comment riles the left"

'Riles the left'... not that it riles people with good manners and sense, just "the left."

Because only effete liberal pansies could possibly be offended by the statement.

28 teleskiguy  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:52:57pm

re: #20 jaunte

[Link: bit.ly...]

Fixed that link.

I expect nothing else from a News Corp. outlet. It's disgusting, but typical.

29 Spocomptonite  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:53:14pm

I get what he's trying to say (reference to the Br'er rabbit story), even though that in and of itself is wrong, but I seriously doubt he could have picked a worse metaphor.

But, being a Republican from Colorado Springs, everything about it was probably intended.

30 Lidane  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:53:48pm

re: #17 SpaceJesus

"Graduate students would have to pay interest accruing on federal loans while they're still in school under the new debt deal."

That SUCKS, because at the moment, I don't have to start paying anything until six months after I graduate. They gave a grace period to allow people to get out of school and get gainful employment.

WTF.

31 Bulworth  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:54:20pm

re: #25 ralphieboy

That is the standard spin they put on such blunt utterances.

Because everything is about "right" versus "left". There isn't anything of substance, ever. There's really no good or bad. Just a game score to be reported. It's just all a game to our media.

32 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:54:43pm

Passive agressive racism.

Asshole.

33 dragonfire1981  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:55:05pm

Now let's see how fast the GOP tries to distance themselves from this guy....

Wait, you mean they won't?

Awhile back I predicted it was just a matter of time until a Republican or Republican candidate gets caught on audio/video or is quoted calling Obama the N word.

This is pretty damned close and it's disgusting.

The man may be black, but he's still HUMAN, why the fuck can't we treat him like one?

34 Alexzander  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:55:58pm

re: #17 SpaceJesus

[Link: money.cnn.com...]

"Graduate students would have to pay interest accruing on federal loans while they're still in school under the new debt deal."

This would trigger riots in any Western nation, but not here...

True true.
It astounds me that American students (and families) will pay sometimes near 100,000 grand for an undergraduate education. Unbelievable.

35 Lidane  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:55:58pm

re: #30 Lidane

Reading further, this change will not apply to me, thank SRV. It goes into effect July 1, 2012 and I graduate in May.

I dodged a bullet there. Whew.

36 Spocomptonite  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:56:12pm

re: #17 SpaceJesus

[Link: money.cnn.com...]

"Graduate students would have to pay interest accruing on federal loans while they're still in school under the new debt deal."

This would trigger riots in any Western nation, but not here...

WTF That doesn't even make sense. If we had the money to pay interest, we wouldn't have to get loans in the first place...

But Republicans either had Old Money or never went to college, and so probably don't know that. ///

37 ProMayaLiberal  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:57:02pm

re: #29 Spocomptonite

There's reason that I won't look back when I leave.

38 makeitstop  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:57:07pm

re: #35 Lidane

thank SRV.

This cracks me up every single time.

39 mr.fusion  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:57:21pm

re: #33 dragonfire1981

Now let's see how fast the GOP tries to distance themselves from this guy...

Wait, you mean they won't?

Awhile back I predicted it was just a matter of time until a Republican or Republican candidate gets caught on audio/video or is quoted calling Obama the N word.

This is pretty damned close and it's disgusting.

The man may be black, but he's still HUMAN, why the fuck can't we treat him like one?

Remember when "Macaca" moments made you an outcast? Now they make you a Republican leader

40 Political Atheist  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:57:52pm

We simply must stop ignoring the realities of where the cash shortage really comes from...

Image: chart-of-the-day-bush-policies-deficits-june-2010.gif

i'd like to see the revenue advocates phrase it like this-Reagan era taxation could cut the deficit by roughly half. Just not fighting two wars will cut it approximately in half again. Who here can not live on Reagan era tax charts?

41 Spocomptonite  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:57:58pm

re: #35 Lidane

Reading further, this change will not apply to me, thank SRV. It goes into effect July 1, 2012 and I graduate in May.

I dodged a bullet there. Whew.

Sucks to be me, though.

what's SRV?

42 Alexzander  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:57:59pm

re: #36 Spocomptonite

WTF That doesn't even make sense. If we had the money to pay interest, we wouldn't have to get loans in the first place...

But Republicans either had Old Money or never went to college, and so probably don't know that. ///

They are significantly more likely to go do business school, which regularly puts out the worst all-around thinkers at the undergraduate level.

Hilariously, business school graduates regularly score the lowest against other departments on the graduate business school entry exam.

43 SpaceJesus  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:58:43pm

re: #30 Lidane


We should be slashing the military budget by 75%, not punishing people for going to school and learning.

44 Lidane  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:59:13pm

re: #41 Spocomptonite

what's SRV?

Stevie Ray Vaughan. Since I'm an atheist I can't exactly thank God, so I've decided to thank a Texas guitar god instead.

45 Gus  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:59:27pm

re: #20 jaunte

Denver Fox affiliate headline:
"Colorado Rep. Lamborn's 'tar baby' comment riles the left"

'Riles the left'... not that it riles people with good manners and sense, just "the left."

Translation:

It only riles the left and the right is OK with this kind of speech and is OK with it; leading to the left pulling "the race card" and making us victims once again of PC America! We're THE VICTIM HERE!!11ty

46 Renaissance_Man  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:00:24pm

re: #33 dragonfire1981

The man may be black, but he's still HUMAN, why the fuck can't we treat him like one?

Wrong. He's not human, he's a liberal.

After these past few years, and especially the last few weeks, is there any doubt that this statement is in no way an exaggeration?

47 ProMayaLiberal  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:00:44pm

re: #42 Alexzander

In my chapter of APO, I don't think there are more than 10 business majors. Out of 100+.

SO they don't care about helping others either.

48 Kragar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:00:59pm

re: #44 Lidane

Stevie Ray Vaughan. Since I'm an atheist I can't exactly thank God, so I've decided to thank a Texas guitar god instead.

I've decided to go Pantheistic, and one fictional god is as good as another, So I got Jesus, Khorne, Loki, Cthulhu and Crom kicking it as the household gods.

49 Bulworth  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:01:26pm

re: #33 dragonfire1981

Now let's see how fast the GOP tries to distance themselves from this guy...

Wait, you mean they won't?

Awhile back I predicted it was just a matter of time until a Republican or Republican candidate gets caught on audio/video or is quoted calling Obama the N word.

This is pretty damned close and it's disgusting.

The man may be black, but he's still HUMAN, why the fuck can't we treat him like one?

I look forward to the day when it again becomes a professional and cultural offense to criticize the POTUS (see Chicks, Dixie).

//

50 mr.fusion  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:03:25pm

re: #48 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I've decided to go Pantheistic, and one fictional god is as good as another, So I got Jesus, Khorne, Loki, Cthulhu and Crom kicking it as the household gods.

The Flying Spaghetti Monster (aka Pastafarianism will not be pleased with your exclusion

51 Spocomptonite  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:03:34pm

re: #42 Alexzander

They are significantly more likely to go do business school, which regularly puts out the worst all-around thinkers at the undergraduate level.

Hilariously, business school graduates regularly score the lowest against other departments on the graduate business school entry exam.

Generic degrees like that usually attract the most academically apathetic students who are at college simply to be at college, rather than as a means to obtain knowledge in a field one actually has a passion for. It gives the business majors who are really intelligent a bad name and a stereotype. Same with "communications" degrees.

52 Political Atheist  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:03:36pm

re: #43 SpaceJesus

We should be slashing the military budget by 75%, not punishing people for going to school and learning.

75%?!

53 Gus  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:04:41pm

I'd like to see any of these [white] idiots that would defend this go to Harlem and use the phrase "Tar Baby" in any context. Or maybe wear a t-shirt that says "Tar Baby" on it.

54 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:04:58pm

re: #43 SpaceJesus

We should be slashing the military budget by 75%, not punishing people for going to school and learning.

That's a little harsh, and would cause many good people to get unemployed.

55 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:05:36pm

re: #52 Rightwingconspirator

75%?!

I don't think SJ has thought through what would happen if that many American men and women were suddenly dumped into the unemployment line.

I do look forward to the day when we aren't fighting so many wars. Preferably because Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc. have functional non-horrific governments.

56 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:05:48pm

re: #54 Floral Giraffe

You beat me.

57 Spocomptonite  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:06:04pm

re: #52 Rightwingconspirator

75%?!

Well, overlooking the drastic sticker shock of that, it would still leave us with the largest military budget of any nation on earth.

58 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:06:05pm

re: #53 Gus 802

I'd like to see any of these [white] idiots that would defend this go to Harlem and use the phrase "Tar Baby" in any context. Or maybe wear a t-shirt that says "Tar Baby" on it.

I am wondering how long until the Otarabarack Obama t-shirts appear on the market.

The Free Market, the one that he is trying to destroy, of course.

/

59 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:06:11pm

re: #56 EmmmieG

LOL. Great minds!

60 ProMayaLiberal  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:06:25pm

re: #51 Spocomptonite

Interesting, considering that the communication majors I know tended to be a bit snotty, and obsessive about Pop Culture.

61 SpaceJesus  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:06:45pm

re: #52 Rightwingconspirator


Yes. I could be persuaded by 10% in either direction.

62 darthstar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:06:53pm

What right-wing racism? Fuckin' a.

63 darthstar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:07:33pm

By the way, I'm trying out a new avatar that more suits the way I feel...Monday is getting the better of me this week.

64 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:08:33pm

I recall again the Pyjamas Media rant about "Why do black people still vote for the Democrats?"

Dip your head in a bucket of tar, Andrew Klavan, and go for a walk in a white neighborhood...

65 Spocomptonite  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:08:42pm

re: #61 SpaceJesus

Yes. I could be persuaded by 10% in either direction.

Could we persuade you to not do it all at once so good troops don't loose their income or, worse, their equipment?
Not to mention the economic fallout of doing it all at once. Ah, military-industrial complex, how we loathe and love thee...

66 Alexzander  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:09:17pm

re: #51 Spocomptonite

Generic degrees like that usually attract the most academically apathetic students who are at college simply to be at college, rather than as a means to obtain knowledge in a field one actually has a passion for. It gives the business majors who are really intelligent a bad name and a stereotype. Same with "communications" degrees.

A friend of mine who recently completed a business degree at a top 5 US school for that major told me (and his family) that he regretted it because the standards were so low and most of his graduating class went directly into high paying positions in family owned corporations. At least he learned Chinese.

67 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:09:21pm

Really, seriously, somebody needs to pass around an "Eyes only" memo for the GOP on things NOT TO SAY.

Even if you don't mean anything racist, they sound really, really bad.

68 Spocomptonite  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:09:43pm

re: #64 ralphieboy

I recall again the Pyjamas Media rant about "Why do black people still vote for the Democrats?"

Dip your head in a bucket of tar, Andrew Klavan, and go for a walk in a white neighborhood...

Why do ignorant white people vote Republican? There's their answer.

69 SpaceJesus  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:10:18pm

re: #55 EmmmieG


Yes, he has. I would bring jobs back here to the US first.

70 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:11:04pm

re: #67 EmmmieG

Really, seriously, somebody needs to pass around an "Eyes only" memo for the GOP on things NOT TO SAY.

Even if you don't mean anything racist, they sound really, really bad.

They've gotten the memo, except it says "things to say, so you can later retract them, but your constituents know you meant it".

71 Kragar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:12:28pm

re: #50 mr.fusion

The Flying Spaghetti Monster (aka Pastafarianism will not be pleased with your exclusion

Too much starch.

72 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:12:49pm

This was one of the moments when I saw modern American conservatism showing its true (lilly-white) colors.

Barack Obama betting elected president should have been a major confirmation of their conservative ideals: a person from humble, non-priveleged circumstances working hard and advancing on his own initiative to the highest office in America.

They had a chance to use him as a case.in-point that their ideals of self-sufficiency, hard work and perseverance apply to everyone, regardless of color.

Instead they have been raising the pitch of their racist dogwhistles to the point that even normal human ears can pick them up and then complaining that we are oversensitive.

73 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:13:17pm

re: #67 EmmmieG

Really, seriously, somebody needs to pass around an "Eyes only" memo for the GOP on things NOT TO SAY.

Even if you don't mean anything racist, they sound really, really bad.

why do you hate freedom of speech?

74 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:13:23pm

The most famous use of Tar Baby, by the way, besides the original Uncle Remus story re: #67 EmmmieG

Really, seriously, somebody needs to pass around an "Eyes only" memo for the GOP on things NOT TO SAY.

Even if you don't mean anything racist, they sound really, really bad.

I don't think this guy actually meant anything racist. Seriously, I don't. I don't assume racism, even from someone as conservative as him.

What I do think it displays is a complete ignorance about issues surrounding race, as well as a pathetic animosity towards Obama.

75 Alexzander  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:13:40pm

Some quotes from a NYTimes article on business school:

The Default Major: Skating Through B-School

They study the least of all the majors:

Business majors spend less time preparing for class than do students in any other broad field, according to the most recent National Survey of Student Engagement: nearly half of seniors majoring in business say they spend fewer than 11 hours a week studying outside class.

Worst Improvement in reading comprehension AND GMAT scores:

...business majors had the weakest gains during the first two years of college on a national test of writing and reasoning skills. And when business students take the GMAT, the entry examination for M.B.A. programs, they score lower than students in every other major.

76 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:14:07pm

re: #52 Rightwingconspirator

75%?!

If we slashed our military budget by 75% it would still be 53% bigger than the next largest military budget (China.)

77 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:14:45pm

Whoops. Screwed that up.

What I was going to say about the Tar Baby thing was the most famous use, beyond the original Remus stories, was Disney's "Song of the South" movie, which has never been released unedited due to the racist content.

78 MattMinus  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:16:32pm

I realize this was intended as a dog whistle, but have heard southerners use that phrase before in completely non-racial contexts.
My northeastern jaw hit the floor, but it was explained, and they were just as shocked that I saw the term as offensive (in this context a problematic server was the "tar baby").

Research shows that the story this phrase is taken from is actually a form of an African folk tale. While Lamborn knew exactly what he was doing, the history language as such is more complicated than folks are giving it credit for.

79 Lidane  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:17:09pm

re: #42 Alexzander

They are significantly more likely to go do business school, which regularly puts out the worst all-around thinkers at the undergraduate level.

Hilariously, business school graduates regularly score the lowest against other departments on the graduate business school entry exam.

I think it depends on the school and the major. My undergrad degree is in International Business, and I think it gave me a great background for my current MBA program.

It's also helped me here, since I had to take courses in International Trade and Finance, which makes understanding a lot of the economic topics we've been covering lately that much simpler, since I already know some of it.

80 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:18:04pm

To continue from the previous thread. At GoV Takuan Seyio castigates Kevin MacDonald for antisemitism, yet writes this:

[Link: gatesofvienna.blogspot.com...]

But before one dismisses Kevin MacDonald and his spawn, the eye hits a comment like this by, uhm, Jews Hate Whites [ibid.] “Jew Robert Reich calls for discrimination against white males in the coming economic stimulus even though white males are the majority of the workforce”

Jews Hate Whites may be an idiot, but his anger is justifiable. And when one contemplates the political imprint of America’s Jews in the last 100 years, from Max Shachtman to Noam Chomsky, from the Jewish Socialist League of America in the 30’s to the Jewish Alliance for Law and Social Action in the 90s, from Saul Alinsky to the Rosenbergs, from Abbie Hoffman to George Soros, from Ruth Bader Ginsburg to Ramona Ripston to the current crop of Jewish politicians in Congress and machers in the White House, one begins to worry less about the veracity of the MacDonald hypothesis and more because of the veracity of his facts.

There is hardly any doubt that Jews have so enriched the European civilization and its American outpost, and in so many ways, that an analysis that dwells only on the debit column of the ledger, as MacDonald’s does, is skewed. Moreover, when this analysis ascribes a truly diabolical motive to that debit, and ignores other viable explanations, it’s not just a troubling bias but a deplorable falsification.

Nevertheless, it seems to me that for the last 50 years, the American Jewish community, particularly through its organized expression, has been drawing down its credit through massive entries on the debit side, just as American blacks have since the 60s. I no longer care how many Jewish doctors save lives, Jewish scientists discover new particles and Jewish violinists provide transporting experiences, when Jews are at the spearhead of every corrosive movement turning the United States into a slipshod third world Babel of the equally ignorant yahoos brimming with self-esteem but disdaining whitey, his Constitution and his Shakespeare.

This, I emphasize, appears at Gates of Vienna as separate posting.

81 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:18:18pm

Meh. Study electrical engineering, so that when your electronically-controlled oven goes out, you can fix it.

Also, you'll be popular with the in-laws.

82 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:19:15pm

re: #77 Obdicut

Whoops. Screwed that up.

What I was going to say about the Tar Baby thing was the most famous use, beyond the original Remus stories, was Disney's "Song of the South" movie, which has never been released unedited due to the racist content.

The racist version hasn't been released on video, but I saw the full version in the theater when I was a kid.

83 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:19:22pm

re: #78 MattMinus

The very recent history of the term is black leaders objecting to its use. It's possible that this guy is completely ignorant of that, which, again, is not exactly a point in his favor.

This isn't some guy sitting on his porch. This is a US representative.

84 The Yankee  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:20:29pm

I looked up the term a long time ago. The orgins of the term "Tar Baby" is not as racist as you would think. But this could just be him doing the dog whistle thing.
The thing statement is just to well thought out to be a heat of the moment type of thing.
Can't wait to see what kind of s*&% throwing contest the presidential campaign is going to be.

85 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:20:47pm

re: #78 MattMinus

I realize this was intended as a dog whistle, but have heard southerners use that phrase before in completely non-racial contexts.
My northeastern jaw hit the floor, but it was explained, and they were just as shocked that I saw the term as offensive (in this context a problematic server was the "tar baby").

Research shows that the story this phrase is taken from is actually a form of an African folk tale. While Lamborn knew exactly what he was doing, the history language as such is more complicated than folks are giving it credit for.

The original tar baby, of course, is from an African-American folk-tale, and I think it's still used pretty commonly as figure of speech.

I'm not going to have a cow over this particular usage, either, but I'm...suspicious. Let's just say suspicious.

86 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:22:30pm

re: #85 SanFranciscoZionist

Peers at SFV, hmmm.

87 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:22:48pm

Piece from Time--2006--on the use of the term.

88 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:23:03pm

re: #85 SanFranciscoZionist

The original tar baby, of course, is from an African-American folk-tale, and I think it's still used pretty commonly as figure of speech.

I'm not going to have a cow over this particular usage, either, but I'm...suspicious. Let's just say suspicious.

From the link:

Note the personal nature of Lamborn's "tar baby"--not the policy, mind you. Rep. Lamborn doesn't want to touch the "tar baby" of President Obama personally.

I'm real suspicious.

89 Political Atheist  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:23:10pm

re: #76 goddamnedfrank

So you support cuts of that scale by that logic? That number oversimplifies. China has no Atlantic coast. No blue water navy at all. No NATO commitment. Basically China has no other nations to defend. Not Israel. Not (fill in all those nations like Japan and Saudi Arabia that opted out of nukes because they are under our protection)

90 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:25:13pm

re: #88 wrenchwench

From the link:

I'm real suspicious.

Oh, OK, I know exactly what the hell he was trying to do...but damn it, it SHOULD not be a racist term! I LIKE FOLKLORE!!!

91 Political Atheist  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:26:59pm

re: #76 goddamnedfrank

If we slashed our military budget by 75% it would still be 53% bigger than the next largest military budget (China.)

Oh and just how forthright do you suppose the Chinese military has actually been? Our budget process is public, even most of our military spending. We even acknowledge the scale of our black programs via agency budgets. The Chinese don't even begin to approach that kind of transparency.

92 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:28:18pm

re: #90 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, OK, I know exactly what the hell he was trying to do...but damn it, it SHOULD not be a racist term! I LIKE FOLKLORE!!!

The talking animal type? As I told my daughter as we rode through the Hershey's "factory tour" ride, always beware of Happy Singing Anthropomorphic Animals. They have hidden agendas, like selling you mediocre chocolate.

Now, Menacing Talking Anthropomorphic Animals, at least you know what they're thinking.

They want to kill you.

At least it's out on the table.

93 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:28:53pm

re: #76 goddamnedfrank

If we slashed our military budget by 75% it would still be 53% bigger than the next largest military budget (China.)

Yeah, but we pay our people more and we have more expensive equipment, so what do you think the military would look like in the end?

94 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:30:28pm

re: #90 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, OK, I know exactly what the hell he was trying to do...but damn it, it SHOULD not be a racist term! I LIKE FOLKLORE!!!

I do too. And I like the stories.
But most folks know, or should know, that the term came to be known mainly via the Uncle Remus stories, which are considered racist. I never saw the movie, but I do recall listening to the stories as a young one and I don't recall ever taking the stories to be demeaning of black people in any way, they were just - stories. But it seems that's how they're viewed.

95 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:34:18pm

re: #94 reine.de.tout

The original stories are a somewhat patronizing view of blacks. They also are a period of their time, and though they were collected by someone who was very forward-thinking for then, trivialize the suffering of blacks during that time period.

The Disney movie, however, is far more of a racist caricature.

96 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:34:55pm

re: #85 SanFranciscoZionist

The original tar baby, of course, is from an African-American folk-tale, and I think it's still used pretty commonly as figure of speech.

I'm not going to have a cow over this particular usage, either, but I'm...suspicious. Let's just say suspicious.

He could have said that he can't do anything that appears supportive of the president because it sticks to you like flypaper, and would still have been representative of a small mind that is not competent to govern.

The subconscious term he used is just icing on the cake.

97 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:36:42pm

re: #89 Rightwingconspirator

So you support cuts of that scale by that logic? That number oversimplifies. China has no Atlantic coast. No blue water navy at all. No NATO commitment. Basically China has no other nations to defend. Not Israel. Not (fill in all those nations like Japan and Saudi Arabia that opted out of nukes because they are under our protection)

And it is not as dependent on energy supplies from a politically unstable, socially and culturally backward part of the world, which exposes it to terrorism and compels it to maintain a large military presence throughout the globe.
We chose this role, and we chose to rely on a resource that exposes us to a lot of risk. China has avoided going that route.

98 Political Atheist  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:41:42pm

re: #93 Naso Tang

Yeah, but we pay our people more and we have more expensive equipment, so what do you think the military would look like in the end?

Would look like this... without the benefit of working equipment.

99 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:42:56pm

I'd also note that the usage of tar baby here is incorrect. A tar baby does not refer to a person. It refers to a situation that gets worse the more you fight it. A tar baby is a sham, not a real person, and it's a trap.

Very few people use it correctly, most just use it to mean a 'sticky situation'. But I haven't ever heard of anyone calling someone a tar baby directly before. That's kind of a new one, and because the nature of the tar baby is that of a fake person, that part is kind of creepy in this usage.

100 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:43:41pm

re: #94 reine.de.tout

I do too. And I like the stories.
But most folks know, or should know, that the term came to be known mainly via the Uncle Remus stories, which are considered racist. I never saw the movie, but I do recall listening to the stories as a young one and I don't recall ever taking the stories to be demeaning of black people in any way, they were just - stories. But it seems that's how they're viewed.

It's a good story with a fascinating history: the Uncle Remus version appears to tie together an Anansi story and a Cherokee folktale. There's also versions of the "sticky trap disguised as a person" is several other American cultures.

Sadly, the term "tar baby" has taken a negative cast because racists decided that tar is black, therefore it's a good epithet. Their usage nows outstrips the usage in folklore, attainting it. To me, it also shows how dumb racists are, since the only cognitive leap they made was about color.

Morons.

An interesting but subtle meme shift I note is that in the folklore the trap catches people because the hit/strike it--that is, by lashing out in anger they attach themselves in the target of their anger. Nowadays when referenced the "tar baby" is simply touched. I want to read semantic stuff into that.

101 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:44:12pm

Okay, OT, but we are almost at 100.

When we were at Valley Forge, one of the displays mentioned that when they first opened George Washington's HQ at Valley Forge as a tourist attraction, they depicted Martha Washington as having a separate bedroom from her husband, because, you know, you wouldn't want to insinuate that George and Martha did, you know, the kind of things that married people do.

The house has four rooms (not counting kitchen or garret). The downstairs two rooms were offices, leaving two bedrooms. Did they show the other officers as not living there, or did they show George as sharing a room with another officer? Maybe they were all in the garret? (right now it shows that one slept there.)

History amuses me.

102 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:44:19pm

re: #97 ralphieboy


We chose this role, and we chose to rely on a resource that exposes us to a lot of risk. China has avoided going that route.

That sounds almost flattering of ourselves. We stumbled into this role because we don't have a national energy policy worth a damn. China on the other hand just buys the oil producers with cash and investments and says they will look the other way for everything else.

We however do have principles//

103 Iwouldprefernotto  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:45:27pm

re: #1 ProLifeLiberal

I live in this scum's district. I'm sorry it.

If there ever was an excuse for voting twice (or three times) he's it.

104 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:45:32pm

re: #101 EmmmieG

George Washington really, really, really liked dirty jokes. Someone bought some of his private papers and burned them, saying that they were 'smutty'.

Turns out he was a real human being, and not some saint. Who knew?

105 Political Atheist  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:46:13pm

re: #97 ralphieboy

Not sure we chose to import our oil. Our supplies are not nearly enough to support our economy, just as many other nations must import our grains. We have the breadbasket, they have the oil. None of this is by choice, more by luck of geography and climate.

106 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:47:20pm

re: #99 Obdicut

I think the reference is considered racist because these cartoons are now considered negative stereotyping, including the tar baby episodes.

Uncle Remus

107 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:47:42pm

re: #101 EmmmieG

Okay, OT, but we are almost at 100.

When we were at Valley Forge, one of the displays mentioned that when they first opened George Washington's HQ at Valley Forge as a tourist attraction, they depicted Martha Washington as having a separate bedroom from her husband, because, you know, you wouldn't want to insinuate that George and Martha did, you know, the kind of things that married people do.

The house has four rooms (not counting kitchen or garret). The downstairs two rooms were offices, leaving two bedrooms. Did they show the other officers as not living there, or did they show George as sharing a room with another officer? Maybe they were all in the garret? (right now it shows that one slept there.)

History amuses me.

God forbid the Father of His Country should be thought to have had sex with his wife.

108 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:47:53pm

re: #102 Naso Tang

That sounds almost flattering of ourselves. We stumbled into this role because we don't have a national energy policy worth a damn. China on the other hand just buys the oil producers with cash and investments and says they will look the other way for everything else.

We however do have principles//


we chose, does not mean we chose wisely.

Remember those golden days of the 1980's with Iraq and Iran at war with each other, pumping oil as fast as they could and selling it at whatever price they could get (as little as $10 per barrel).

We assumed those days would last forever and made no attempt to get away from our dependency on that part of the world, despite all the headaches it has been causing us since the 70's.

And NATO? NATO was founded to counter the Warsaw pact, which is officially defunct. Our presence there is a political white elephant and result of inertia taking precendence over our our national interests.

109 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:48:45pm

re: #108 ralphieboy

NATO engaging in operations in the Mediterranean is kind of funny.

110 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:48:52pm

re: #107 SanFranciscoZionist

God forbid the Father of His Country should be thought to have had sex with his wife.

Absolutely not. Also, he wasn't naked underneath those clothes. He was born with clothing on.

111 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:49:15pm

re: #105 Rightwingconspirator

Not sure we chose to import our oil. Our supplies are not nearly enough to support our economy, just as many other nations must import our grains. We have the breadbasket, they have the oil. None of this is by choice, more by luck of geography and climate.

We choose to consume more than we produce. We could get by on less, we have just decided to make our rate of energy consumption one of the benchmarks by which we measure prosperity and the AMerican Way of Life

112 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:50:50pm

re: #100 The Ghost of a Flea

It's a good story with a fascinating history: the Uncle Remus version appears to tie together an Anansi story and a Cherokee folktale. There's also versions of the "sticky trap disguised as a person" is several other American cultures.

Sadly, the term "tar baby" has taken a negative cast because racists decided that tar is black, therefore it's a good epithet. Their usage nows outstrips the usage in folklore, attainting it. To me, it also shows how dumb racists are, since the only cognitive leap they made was about color.

. . .

Well stated, it's what I wanted to say but couldn't find the words for.

113 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:51:35pm

re: #107 SanFranciscoZionist

God forbid the Father of His Country should be thought to have had sex with his wife.

Our student group really annoyed the tourguides at the Smolny Institute in St.Peterwburg in the 80's. They were showing off Lenin's quarters there during the Revolution, where he lived with his wife, Nadezda Krupskaya.

There was only one small bed in the quarters. They proudly pointed out that Lenin slept in that bed and seemed aghast when someone asked if he shared it with Krupskaya...

114 makeitstop  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:53:05pm

Newt truly fails on all levels. Get a load of this:

Most of Newt Gingrich's Twitter Followers Are Fake

About 80 percent of those accounts are inactive or are dummy accounts created by various "follow agencies," another 10 percent are real people who are part of a network of folks who follow others back and are paying for followers themselves (Newt's profile just happens to be a part of these networks because he uses them, although he doesn't follow back), and the remaining 10 percent may, in fact, be real, sentient people who happen to like Newt Gingrich. If you simply scroll through his list of followers you'll see that most of them have odd usernames and no profile photos, which has to do with the fact that they were mass generated. Pathetic, isn't it?

115 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:53:31pm

Pam opens comments again: Summer Camp? Antisemitic Indoctrination Training Center
Looks like she's leaving up comments supportive of the Knight Templar movement started by Andrew Brevik

I find it highly amusing that the Norwegians like to play at being relevant, as if they are. The Jews and the Israeli people are under the protection of the Knights Templar, by no less an authority than Andrew Brevik. To be sure, they may not like it, but they are. To be a socialist is to be a crime against humanity, to act in furtherance of socialism is commit a crime against humanity.

116 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:53:40pm

re: #107 SanFranciscoZionist

Hey, has was a FATHER, and you know what that means!

117 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:54:15pm

re: #115 Killgore Trout

Yeah, "The Jews" really didn't like it last time they were under the 'protection' of the Knights Templar, and we won't like it any better this time.

118 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:54:27pm

re: #114 makeitstop

Newt truly fails on all levels. Get a load of this:

Most of Newt Gingrich's Twitter Followers Are Fake

Wait--you mean he buys his friends?

119 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:54:36pm

re: #116 Floral Giraffe

Hey, has was a FATHER, and you know what that means!


That he and mommy really loved each other and went out into the cabbage patch together and found the baby the stork had left there...

120 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:54:53pm

re: #118 EmmmieG

Wait--you mean he buys his friends?

on credit, I'll wager

121 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:55:17pm

re: #117 Obdicut

Yeah, "The Jews" really didn't like it last time they were under the 'protection' of the Knights Templar, and we won't like it any better this time.

A survey of Jewish history seems to show that Jews do best under the protection of Jews.

122 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:55:30pm

re: #118 EmmmieG

Wait--you mean he buys his friends?

With his Tiffany charge cards!

123 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:56:34pm

re: #115 Killgore Trout

Just in case she decides to close them again:

[Link: www.webcitation.org...]

124 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:57:23pm

re: #118 EmmmieG

Wait--you mean he buys his friends?

[Link: rentafriend.com...]

125 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:58:03pm

re: #123 Sergey Romanov

Just in case she decides to close them again:

[Link: www.webcitation.org...]

I think she was more concerned with getting pushback than with being embarassed.

126 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:58:03pm

re: #115 Killgore Trout

Pam opens comments again: Summer Camp? Antisemitic Indoctrination Training Center
Looks like she's leaving up comments supportive of the Knight Templar movement started by Andrew Brevik

"To be a socialist is to be a crime against humanity, to act in furtherance of socialism is commit a crime against humanity."


And to quote from Ronnie's "Evil Empire" speech: "I would rather see my children dead and still believeing in God than to grow up under under Communism and lose their faith in God."

So he was doing those kids a favor, I guess...

///

127 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:59:03pm

re: #125 000G

I'm not at all sure, that she CAN be embarrassed!

128 Kragar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:59:13pm

re: #114 makeitstop

Newt truly fails on all levels. Get a load of this:

Most of Newt Gingrich's Twitter Followers Are Fake

/facepalm

129 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:59:20pm

re: #124 000G

[Link: rentafriend.com...]

That has to be the saddest thing I have ever seen.

130 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:59:47pm

re: #129 EmmmieG

That has to be the saddest thing I have ever seen.

Hey, at least it's platonic.

131 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:59:48pm

"To be a socialist is to be a crime against humanity, to act in furtherance of socialism is commit a crime against humanity."

bwaha!...what a lunatic, bull of bravado

132 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:00:14pm

OK, now I'm confused:

"You do not have that Aryan look naturally in Norway," she said in an interview with the Sunday Times (article behind paywall). "Hitler would have had him on posters. He has the perfect, classic Aryan face. He must have had a facelift."

First, he's not THAT perfect. Secondly, if you do not have that Aryan look naturally in Norway, where the hell do you have it?

Which is not to say that he couldn't have had plastic surgery, just that I'm wondering where the real Aryans live.

And don't tell me India.

133 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:01:36pm

Obama is more like a sundew. IE, the bane of bloodsucking insect brains that think "it's just a plant".

134 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:01:38pm

re: #132 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, now I'm confused:

"You do not have that Aryan look naturally in Norway," she said in an interview with the Sunday Times (article behind paywall). "Hitler would have had him on posters. He has the perfect, classic Aryan face. He must have had a facelift."

First, he's not THAT perfect. Secondly, if you do not have that Aryan look naturally in Norway, where the hell do you have it?

Which is not to say that he couldn't have had plastic surgery, just that I'm wondering where the real Aryans live.

And don't tell me India.

Minnesota.

135 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:01:53pm

re: #127 Floral Giraffe

I'm not at all sure, that she CAN be embarrassed!

Well, I was refering to the social act of public shaming rather than her own feelings, but yes, you are right: She thinks and feels that everything is fair game in fighting the rhetorical jihad against Islam.

136 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:03:44pm

re: #132 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, now I'm confused:

I'm wondering where the real Aryans live.

Middle-earth?

137 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:04:34pm

re: #135 000G

Well, I was refering to the social act of public shaming rather than her own feelings, but yes, you are right: She thinks and feels that everything is fair game in fighting the rhetorical jihad against Islam.

She all but said that those kids at the summer camp were acceptable collateral damage in the Counter-Jihad.

138 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:04:58pm

re: #132 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, now I'm confused:

"You do not have that Aryan look naturally in Norway," she said in an interview with the Sunday Times (article behind paywall). "Hitler would have had him on posters. He has the perfect, classic Aryan face. He must have had a facelift."

First, he's not THAT perfect. Secondly, if you do not have that Aryan look naturally in Norway, where the hell do you have it?

Which is not to say that he couldn't have had plastic surgery, just that I'm wondering where the real Aryans live.

And don't tell me India.

Of course not! Perish the thought. Actually in Pakistan.

[Link: gorod.tomsk.ru...]

139 jaunte  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:05:15pm

re: #115 Killgore Trout

Pam opens comments again: Summer Camp? Antisemitic Indoctrination Training Center
Looks like she's leaving up comments supportive of the Knight Templar movement started by Andrew Brevik

"So shut up with your anti-Christian nonsense: no believers other than Muslims would be this demonically out to kill people just like that!!!!"
--Posted by: ADHD

Now with extra frothing.

140 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:05:53pm

re: #132 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm wondering where the real Aryans live.

Arya 51

141 Kragar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:06:31pm

re: #132 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, now I'm confused:

"You do not have that Aryan look naturally in Norway," she said in an interview with the Sunday Times (article behind paywall). "Hitler would have had him on posters. He has the perfect, classic Aryan face. He must have had a facelift."

First, he's not THAT perfect. Secondly, if you do not have that Aryan look naturally in Norway, where the hell do you have it?

Which is not to say that he couldn't have had plastic surgery, just that I'm wondering where the real Aryans live.

And don't tell me India.

Fantasyland.

142 Political Atheist  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:06:37pm

re: #111 ralphieboy

I do agree. I'm sure we could all consume less. But I can not agree we cold cut so much as to have no need of foreign oil. Or even just buy oil from "nice guy" regimes.

143 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:07:05pm

re: #138 Sergey Romanov

Of course not! Perish the thought. Actually in Pakistan.

[Link: gorod.tomsk.ru...]

Huh. Learned something new.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

144 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:07:24pm

She posted a thread featuring her hatemail. The comments are swarming with trolls.

145 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:08:47pm

re: #142 Rightwingconspirator

I do agree. I'm sure we could all consume less. But I can not agree we cold cut so much as to have no need of foreign oil. Or even just buy oil from "nice guy" regimes.

Not overnight. Point is, we had a warning shot fired across our bows with the 1973 embargo and have only haltingly approached the challenge of securing our energy supplies.

We rail against "government intervention" when it comes to developing alternate energy programs, but we actively employ our military to secure our supplies of fossil fuels.

146 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:09:15pm

re: #144 Killgore Trout

She posted a thread featuring her hatemail. The comments are swarming with trolls.

What an incredibly hateful person:

This is happening despite the fact that I was mentioned once (when the shooter pined for Chuck Johnson after Chuckie snapped).

147 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:10:55pm
This has nothing to do with Breivik or the innocent 76 he slaughtered in this most evil act.

No, what matters is to destroy the resistance to jihad. What matters is to use this monstrous act to destroy the forces of good.

Delusions of grandeur. Oddly familiar.

148 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:11:41pm

re: #138 Sergey Romanov


The Kalash? Did they bring us the original Kalashnikovs as a gift from the gods?

149 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:12:04pm

" or the innocent 76 he slaughtered"

She can't get it straight.

150 Kragar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:12:20pm

re: #146 000G

What an incredibly hateful person:

DON'T READ AND COMPARE OUR STATEMENTS! JUST COUNT THE WORDS!

151 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:13:30pm

re: #132 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, now I'm confused:

"You do not have that Aryan look naturally in Norway," she said in an interview with the Sunday Times (article behind paywall). "Hitler would have had him on posters. He has the perfect, classic Aryan face. He must have had a facelift."

I have a wait-and-see policy about this story, since it seems like it's juicy speculation that's gained attention.

There technically exists one or more standards of Aryan beauty--the mechanical standards created by anthropometric race scientists and the aesthetic ones described by Ariosophists sort of cross-hatch one another. Given his very distinct personal aesthetic--which had a profound influence on his vision of the Reich--it wouldn't surprise me if Hitler had a personal vision of the ideal "Aryan man/Aryan woman," too.

Which is not to say that he couldn't have had plastic surgery, just that I'm wondering where the real Aryans live.

And don't tell me India.

At best theory (the Kurgan hypothesis), they started in the Urals and pretty much banged their way across Europe in all cardinal directions. The idea of them being blonde/blue-eyed, and the source of those traits, is, of course, utter bunk.

152 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:13:35pm

re: #148 ralphieboy

The Kalash? Did they bring us the original Kalashnikovs as a gift from the gods?

Youtube Video
153 Kragar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:13:46pm

re: #149 Sergey Romanov

" or the innocent 76 he slaughtered"

She can't get it straight.

Those innocent (who never the less deserved it according to my previous posts, and who Breivik was forced to kill because no one took him seriously, which make him a hero) people.
/

154 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:16:00pm

re: #153 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Those innocent (who never the less deserved it according to my previous posts, and who Breivik was forced to kill because no one took him seriously, which make him a hero) people.
/

She had to be fair and balanced and point out the other side of the story, yknow, since she represents the forces of good.
///

155 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:18:46pm

re: #83 Obdicut

The very recent history of the term is black leaders objecting to its use. It's possible that this guy is completely ignorant of that, which, again, is not exactly a point in his favor.

This isn't some guy sitting on his porch. This is a US representative.

He's either ignorant or simply doesn't care. I don't know which trait is the worst in a rep.

156 lostlakehiker  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:20:46pm

re: #4 Summer

But..I thought they said there's no racism in the GOP...

I'm so...disillusioned.

It's a damned shame what seems to have happened to the term "tar baby", because what it always used to mean was, well, tar baby. As in the Uncle Remus stories. You hit it, and you achieve nothing but to get stuck. The Vietnam war was a tar baby.

And now, a beautiful phrase and metaphor, the creation of one of the best African-American writers in our history, Joel Chandler Harris,Uncle Remus according to Wikipedia is ruined.

157 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:22:31pm

re: #138 Sergey Romanov

Of course not! Perish the thought. Actually in Pakistan.

[Link: gorod.tomsk.ru...]

There's also cultures in Pakistan with recessive blue eyes/ blonde hair who claim to be descendants of Alexander's army.

158 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:24:38pm

re: #156 lostlakehiker

Harris wasn't black, you know.

He was Irish-American.

159 lostlakehiker  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:26:51pm

re: #145 ralphieboy

Not overnight. Point is, we had a warning shot fired across our bows with the 1973 embargo and have only haltingly approached the challenge of securing our energy supplies.

We rail against "government intervention" when it comes to developing alternate energy programs, but we actively employ our military to secure our supplies of fossil fuels.

Energy security does not, ultimately, grow out of the barrel of a gun. It comes from a willingness to hack off both the fossil conservatives, and the Sierra club, and build stuff like this: Thinking Big Solar.

160 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:27:37pm

That's only the most blatantly offensive part of what he said. The first part of his statement is the most pernicious.

LAMBORN: Even if some people say ‘well, the Republicans should have done this, or should have done that,’ they will hold the President responsible. Now, I don’t even want to be associated with him, it’s like touching a, a tar baby and you get it…you know you’re stuck and you’re part of the problem and you can’t get away.

They are betting that no matter what they do, the president will be blamed for all of the damage, and they are probably right. The MSM nor the American people will hold the GOP responsible for their bad behavior, policies or ideas. They never do. This is the real problem as far as I'm concerned.

161 HappyWarrior  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:29:23pm

What a bigoted asshole but it's really the left who are the real bigots or so I am told. And you know this guy probably will face little political coincidences since I imagine he's in a safe district. For shame.

162 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:31:34pm

re: #121 EmmmieG

A survey of Jewish history seems to show that Jews do best under the protection of Jews.

Just think of all the cultures who were better off under the protection of the Roman Empire.

Funny how the group doing the protecting gets to define 'protection' isn't it?

163 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:33:02pm

re: #110 EmmmieG

Absolutely not. Also, he wasn't naked underneath those clothes. He was born with clothing on.

His hair naturally formed the shape of a tricorner hat. He actually never wore hats. he just loved his country that much. Even though it wasn't yet a country. That's how powerful his patriotism was.

Also, he had a pocket full of horses, fucked the shit out of bears, threw a knife into heaven, and could kill with a stare.

Youtube Video
164 makeitstop  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:39:10pm

If you made me guess, my guess would be that Boehner still doesn't have the votes to do anything.

Boehner To Pelosi: Hey, A Little Help Here?

165 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:08:04pm

Wow...

166 Mr.Boots  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:07:11pm

re: #7 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

No, the new line that I hear in SW Florida is, " I'm not racist. I just refuse to be politically correct."

Conservatism, the new macho.

167 TedStriker  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 11:43:12pm

re: #78 MattMinus

I realize this was intended as a dog whistle, but have heard southerners use that phrase before in completely non-racial contexts.
My northeastern jaw hit the floor, but it was explained, and they were just as shocked that I saw the term as offensive (in this context a problematic server was the "tar baby").

Research shows that the story this phrase is taken from is actually a form of an African folk tale. While Lamborn knew exactly what he was doing, the history language as such is more complicated than folks are giving it credit for.

re: #85 SanFranciscoZionist

The original tar baby, of course, is from an African-American folk-tale, and I think it's still used pretty commonly as figure of speech.

I'm not going to have a cow over this particular usage, either, but I'm...suspicious. Let's just say suspicious.

Song of the South is one place I know of the "tar baby" reference; it never been released on VHS, DVD or Bluray in the US in its entirety and may never be due to the Disney brass' views that it's "antiquated" and "fairly offensive".

168 John Vreeland  Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:12:15am

Bred and born in a briar patch.

Sorry folks, but "tar baby" is not an ethnic slur. It's a metaphor for something you cannot get unstuck from once you touch it. The fact that tar is black seems to me to be a coincidence. "Glue baby" doesn't work because...are you all unfamiliar with American folk tales? I learned these when I was a child, but reading these comments makes me think you were all born in some other country.

169 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 2, 2011 6:46:47pm

re: #168 Vreejack

You win the 'didn't read the thread' award.

Congrats.


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