Quinnipiac Poll: Obama Has Big Lead Among Women Voters

The GOP’s war on women is paying off — for the Democrats
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Just as with Latino voters, it shouldn’t be a surprise to find that President Obama is crushing Mitt Romney among women voters.

A new Quinnipiac poll finds President Obama leads Mitt Romney nationally among likely voters, 49% to 45%.

Key findings: The president leads 56% to 38% among women and 94% to 2% among black voters. Men back Romney 52% to 42% while white voters back him 53% to 42%.

Said pollster Peter Brown: “President Obama won only about 43% of the white vote in 2008, so his current standing among whites tracks his earlier winning performance. If the president can match or exceed his 2008 showing among whites it will be difficult to impossible for Romney to win. It is also very difficult to win an election when you are getting shellacked among women, the group that makes up about half the electorate.”

The Republican Party’s disgusting misogyny and total war on women’s rights is paying big dividends — for President Obama.

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110 comments
1 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 10:35:10am

But...Ann Romney...the GOP's secret weapon! She can connect with women voters! Show them that Willard's a good guy!

2 Kragar  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 10:35:26am

Once you properly balance the poll by repealing the Nineteenth Amendment, Romney is the clear winner.

3 Destro  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 10:35:52am

How soon do you think after the election that the right wing will say women having the right to vote was a mistake?

4 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 10:36:15am

re: #3 Destro

How soon do you think after the election that the right wing will say women having the right to vote was a mistake?

Coulter has said in the past that it was.

5 darthstar  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 10:36:42am

Non-educated male white crackers are under represented in that poll of women, which skews the polls just a bit. The corrected numbers for women in Obama v. Romney (when you include the ignored sub-set above) is actually O 23, R 87 - Because Mitt Romney represents 110% of Americans.
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6 Destro  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 10:36:59am

Men back Romney 52% to 42% while white voters back him 53% to 42%.

See: White People are F'N Stupid!

7 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 10:37:40am

re: #4 HappyWarrior

Coulter has said in the past that it was.

Coulter's all but arguing these days that the 18th century ideal of white, land-owning males being the only ones allowed to vote is the way it should be.

8 darthstar  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 10:37:45am

re: #6 Destro

Most American men are idiots.

Which is why chicks dig us.
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9 Destro  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 10:37:49am

re: #4 HappyWarrior

Coulter has said in the past that it was.

Even when I make stuff up to mock the GOP, reality shows the real GOP out Onions the Onion.

10 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 10:38:10am

re: #9 Destro

Even when I make stuff up to mock the GOP, reality shows the real GOP out Onions the Onion.

No shit dude but yeah.

11 darthstar  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 10:39:32am
13 Lidane  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 10:40:50am

re: #3 Destro

How soon do you think after the election that the right wing will say women having the right to vote was a mistake?

They've been saying that for ages. It's not new. Ann Coulter suggested that if women couldn't vote, Democrats would never win again, and I think other wingnuts have said similar things.

14 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 10:41:14am

re: #12 Kragar

Billionaire Businessman Says Government Assistance For The Poor Makes People Lazy

But the government coddling the very wealthy with tax cuts galore is sound policy.//

15 blueraven  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 10:41:32am

re: #3 Destro

How soon do you think after the election that the right wing will say women having the right to vote was a mistake?

It's been done

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Colmes then pressed Derbyshire on whether women should have the right to vote. “Ah…” Derbyshire sighed, attempting to dodge the question initially. “I’m not putting forward a political program here,” he said. But then Derbyshire slowly began to open up:

DERBYSHIRE: Among the hopes that I do not realistically nurse is the hope that female suffrage will be repealed. But I’ll say this - if it were to be, I wouldn’t lose a minute’s sleep.

COLMES: We’d be a better country if women didn’t vote?

DERBYSHIRE: Probably. Don’t you think so?

COLMES: No, I do not think so whatsoever.

DERBYSHIRE: Come on Alan. Come clean here [laughing].

COLMES: We would be a better country? John Derbyshire making the statement, we would be a better country if women did not vote.

DERBYSHIRE: Yeah, probably.

Derbyshire reasoned that we “got along like that for 130 years.” Colmes countered by asking if he also wants to bring back slavery. No, Derbyshire responded, “I’m in favor of freedom personally.” Colmes noted that freedom didn’t extend to women’s right to vote, however. Derbyshire said, “Well, they didn’t and we got along ok.”

16 Kragar  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 10:42:34am

re: #14 HappyWarrior

But the government coddling the very wealthy with tax cuts galore is sound policy.//

Him relying on Government tax codes to shelter his wealth and relying on the police to protect his goods is laziness.

17 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 10:42:42am

re: #13 Lidane

They've been saying that for ages. It's not new. Ann Coulter suggested that if women couldn't vote, Democrats would never win again, and I think other wingnuts have said similar things.

She's made similar comments about 18-20 year olds being able to vote. You know, they can serve their country but they can't participate in its elections because Ann doesn't like the fact that 18-20 year olds trend Democratic and liberal in their voting patterns. I've seen first hand the contempt the Republican Party has for younger voters when they fought like hell against a precinct on campus.

18 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 10:44:09am

re: #15 blueraven

It's been done

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Derbyshire, yet another voice of conservative reason brought to you by the National Review.//

19 Tigger2  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 10:45:27am

re: #12 Kragar

Billionaire Businessman Says Government Assistance For The Poor Makes People Lazy

I wonder if that was the mindset of the rich before the french revolution. lol

20 erik_t  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 10:45:43am

Republicans don't believe in the idea of a Republic. Go figure.

21 Destro  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 10:45:53am

re: #12 Kragar

Billionaire Businessman Says Government Assistance For The Poor Makes People Lazy

Check out this post of mine below. Capitalism has always been about making people so poor they would be forced to work rather than loaf around all day growing crops and drinking moonshine and making babies:


[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

One thing that the historical record makes obviously clear is that Adam Smith and his laissez-faire buddies were a bunch of closet-case statists, who needed brutal government policies to whip the English peasantry into a good capitalistic workforce willing to accept wage slavery.

"…everyone but an idiot knows that the lower classes must be kept poor, or they will never be industrious.”

—Arthur Young; 1771

22 Gus  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 10:46:34am
23 blueraven  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 10:47:58am

re: #17 HappyWarrior

She's made similar comments about 18-20 year olds being able to vote. You know, they can serve their country but they can't participate in its elections because Ann doesn't like the fact that 18-20 year olds trend Democratic and liberal in their voting patterns. I've seen first hand the contempt the Republican Party has for younger voters when they fought like hell against a precinct on campus.

Jonah Goldberg agrees

GOLDBERG: Personally, I think the voting age should be much, higher, not lower. I think it was a mistake to lower it to 18, to be brutally honest….[I]t is a simple fact of science that nothing correlates more with ignorance and stupidity than youth. We’re all born idiots, and we only get over that condition as we get less young. And yet there’s this thing in this culture where, ‘Oh, young people are for it so it must be special.’ No, the reason young people are for it because they don’t know better. That’s why we call them young people. [...]

The fact that young people think socialism is better than capitalism. That’s proof of what social scientists call their stupidity and their ignorance. And that’s something that conservatives have to beat out of them. Either literally or figuratively as far as I’m concerned.

[Link: crooksandliars.com...]

Nice folks over there at NRO.
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24 Destro  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 10:49:25am

re: #23 blueraven

GOLDBERG: Personally, I think the voting age should be much, higher, not lower. I think it was a mistake to lower it to 18, to be brutally honest….[I]t is a simple fact of science that nothing correlates more with ignorance and stupidity than youth. We’re all born idiots, and we only get over that condition as we get less young. And yet there’s this thing in this culture where, ‘Oh, young people are for it so it must be special.’ No, the reason young people are for it because they don’t know better. That’s why we call them young people. [...]

Oh, so that is why we send 18 year olds off to war, they are idiots who don’t know better! Makes sense now.

25 Tigger2  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 10:49:38am

re: #22 Gus

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I just hit proceed anyway I wasn't scared of the site.

26 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 10:50:30am

re: #23 blueraven

Jonah Goldberg agrees

[Link: crooksandliars.com...]

Nice folks over there at NRO.
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"If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain."

27 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 10:51:03am

re: #23 blueraven

Jonah Goldberg agrees

[Link: crooksandliars.com...]

Nice folks over there at NRO.
/

Heh I saw that. What a loser.

28 Kragar  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 10:51:14am

George Will: Obama only winning because he is black

That Obama is African American may be important, but in a way quite unlike that darkly suggested by, for example, MSNBC’s excitable boys and girls who, with their (at most) one-track minds and exquisitely sensitive olfactory receptors, sniff racism in any criticism of their pin-up. Instead, the nation, which is generally reluctant to declare a president a failure — thereby admitting that it made a mistake in choosing him — seems especially reluctant to give up on the first African American president. If so, the 2012 election speaks well of the nation’s heart, if not its head.

29 Tigger2  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 10:51:32am

re: #26 Targetpractice

"If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain."

Damn I was at 25 and still am at 60, but people always have told me I have more heart than brains. lol

30 Gus  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 10:51:45am

re: #28 Kragar

George Will: Obama only winning because he is black

31 Lidane  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 10:52:32am

re: #28 Kragar

George Will: Obama only winning because he is black

"Our candidate doesn't suck! Really! It's just white guilt keeping the POTUS in the lead!"

If that's the best George Will can come up with, that's pretty damn bad.

32 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 10:53:07am

re: #28 Kragar

George Will: Obama only winning because he is black

That explains why Romney was up in some polls. Derp. Really conservative pundits. Can it just be that Obama's a better candidate than Romney? You don't always get the Democrat is Jimmy Carter and Republican is Ronald Reagan that you wet dream to. Sorry, I know it sucks but it's reality.

33 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 10:53:57am

re: #28 Kragar

George Will: Obama only winning because he is black

More grasping at straws by the conservative talking heads. Their theories are being rejected by the electorate and reality so denial and the search for excuses and scapegoats goes on.

34 Destro  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 10:54:19am

re: #30 Gus

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All down trodden white male Republicans know how being a black man with a Muslim name is an advantage in America.

35 Sophia77  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 10:54:46am

Krager fyi your link was rejected by my security system, just sayin'.

Anyway, George Will - can't believe this s***.

36 Lidane  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 10:54:53am

re: #30 Gus

*sigh*

I knew that people would lose their shit when we elected our first non-white POTUS, but the depths that these assholes keep sinking to are amazing.

37 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 10:55:00am

re: #28 Kragar

George Will: Obama only winning because he is black

The books written about this election are gonna be a riot. The litany of reasons why Obama, a guy who by all measures should be trailing and trailing badly, won reelection is gonna be one for the record books.

38 nines09  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 10:55:36am

"This just breaking......New polls showing Obama has significant edge with people able to breathe. Numbers are up for cognitive thought and ability to reason."

39 Destro  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 10:56:33am

re: #37 Targetpractice

The books written about this election are gonna be a riot. The litany of reasons why Obama, a guy who by all measures should be trailing and trailing badly, won reelection is gonna be one for the record books.

I am waiting for some conservative loon to suggest white women are voting for Obama because of taboo jungle fever. That was me trying to be Onion. If a conservative actually said this and someone posts the link - the cyber beer is on me because it shows I can't out mock the reality of conservatives.

40 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 10:58:16am

re: #39 Destro

I am waiting for some conservative loon to suggest white women are voting for Obama because of taboo jungle fever. That was me trying to be Onion. If a conservative actually said this and someone posts the link - the cyber beer is on me.

Oh, I'm figuring that they'll go with the same excuse they do with every minority: "They just don't know better." You know, the idea that the Democrats got them believing shit that ain't true in order to keep them "on the plantation."

41 Kragar  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 10:58:25am

re: #35 Sophia77

Krager fyi your link was rejected by my security system, just sayin'.

Anyway, George Will - can't believe this s***.

The link is fine.

And there is no E in Kragar.

42 Gus  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 10:58:29am

re: #36 Lidane

*sigh*

I knew that people would lose their shit when we elected our first non-white POTUS, but the depths that these assholes keep sinking to are amazing.

This shit is straight out of the 1960s. What George Will and Mitt Romney said would fit right in at a KKK rally. I'm sure they're all pretty happy over at Stormfront over these comments. To think that Limbaugh still has corporate sponsorship.

43 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 10:59:17am

re: #42 Gus

This shit is straight out of the 1960s. What George Will and Mitt Romney said would fit right in at a KKK rally. I'm sure they're all pretty happy over at Stormfront over these comments. To think that Limbaugh still has corporate sponsorship.

To think Limbaugh has the pull he does with the GOP leadership. Oh wait, that's not a bug, that's a feature.

44 Lidane  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 10:59:19am

re: #34 Destro

The modern GOP theme song. They take the words literally:

46 nines09  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:00:44am

Doesn't George Will know the Republican Party is lying on a slab in some morgue somewhere waiting for someone to ID the body and claim it? Now George is so smart he suggests that Mitt lie more and more often. "How about we break up the banks! How about we tax the rich! How about we LIE!" Whoo Hoo!

47 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:01:39am

There's no "war on women"! I've got polls that show a majority support limits on abortion, if not banning it! And they don't believe that liberal BS about Republicans trying to do away with birth control, because it just isn't true!

48 Gus  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:02:04am
49 Lidane  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:03:19am

re: #48 Gus

Historical perspective, how the fuck does it work?

50 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:03:25am

I'm going to say it here but modern American conservatism is all about being a whiny victim while you yourself are insensitive to the plight of people who are really victims. Take the conservative Christians who claim pro gay policies discriminate against them all the while they support policies that discriminate against gays.

52 Kragar  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:03:34am

Barton: The 4th of July and the Second Amendment Came Out of the Bible

As Barton explains it:

The turning point for the independence of the Jews ... was the Passover, when God, in a miraculous demonstration of power, struck down the firstborn of the Egyptians. Out of all the amazing things along Israel's lengthy road to becoming an independent nation and people, God commanded them to remember that one particular event and to celebrate the anniversary of that one particular day every year thereafter (Exodus 13:10.) And not only were they to honor that day, but they were also to use it to teach the rising generation about what God had done in birthing their nation (Exodus 13:8.)

Barton then explains that some of the Founding Fathers "saw a correlation between the account in Exodus and the American experience," prompting him to declare that "the Fourth of July is an annual day of celebration and remembrance like that in Exodus 13 - one of the many American practices with Biblical precedents."

... what...?

53 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:04:49am

re: #52 Kragar

Barton: The 4th of July and the Second Amendment Came Out of the Bible

... what...?

This is the man Mike Huckabee, a man who could have been nominated for president thinks we should listen at gunpoint. Goddamn.

54 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:05:59am
55 Lidane  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:06:25am

re: #52 Kragar

Barton: The 4th of July and the Second Amendment Came Out of the Bible

... what...?

The fact that this illiterate, uneducated asshole wrote most of the accepted planks of the national GOP platform should scare sensible conservatives, if there are any left at all.

56 dragonfire1981  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:06:29am

re: #2 Kragar

Once you properly balance the poll by repealing the Nineteenth Amendment, Romney is the clear winner.

I guess you could call that an "unskewed" electorate?

57 dragonfire1981  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:06:53am
58 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:06:55am

re: #14 HappyWarrior

But the government coddling the very wealthy with tax cuts galore is sound policy.//

And subsidies for companies making historically high profits.

59 dragonfire1981  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:08:12am

re: #48 Gus

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I can't figure out why some people have a need to believe things are drastically worse than they actually are.

60 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:08:20am

re: #51 Gus

Allen West Letter: GOP Rep. Reportedly Asked Wife To Be His 'Porn Star', Demanded 'Non-Negotiable' Sex Acts

Captain Creepy. But of course, this will be ignored by the same people who acted Anthony Weiner was the worst person in the history of worsts.

61 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:09:19am

re: #55 Lidane

The fact that this illiterate, uneducated asshole wrote most of the accepted planks of the national GOP platform should scare sensible conservatives, if there are any left at all.

I had honestly forgotten that part. Yikes. Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with the Republican Party? I admit, I've never been a fan but they at least seemed to live in some form of reality before Obama got elected.

62 dragonfire1981  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:09:26am

re: #51 Gus

Allen West Letter: GOP Rep. Reportedly Asked Wife To Be His 'Porn Star', Demanded 'Non-Negotiable' Sex Acts

Can I go ahead and guess the GOP is going to say this person was somehow coerced by Liberals into doing this?

63 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:10:09am

re: #52 Kragar

Barton: The 4th of July and the Second Amendment Came Out of the Bible

... what...?

People wonder how conspiracy theorists can believe their own theories even when reality destroys them in as catastrophic a fashion as possible. Well, here's how: They just utterly deny reality.

64 Gus  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:10:53am

re: #62 dragonfire1981

Can I go ahead and guess the GOP is going to say this person was somehow coerced by Liberals into doing this?

Conservatives have always been blaming their own sexual behavior on the sexual revolution of the 60s. I.e., it's teh hippies fault!

65 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:12:05am

re: #60 HappyWarrior

Captain Creepy. But of course, this will be ignored by the same people who acted Anthony Weiner was the worst person in the history of worsts.

I was thinking a more appropriate precedent, namely Jack Ryan back in '04 when his divorce records got out. There was a lot of spitting and yowling about the efforts the media had gone to to get them, but once they were released, he had the good sense to bow out.

66 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:12:50am

re: #64 Gus

Conservatives have always been blaming their own sexual behavior on the sexual revolution of the 60s. I.e., it's teh hippies fault!

They do that with all their behavior. Because you know, I'm responsible for some right wing jackass acting like a right wing jackass. Some of them actually responded after Rush's slutgate that "he was acting like a liberal." No you partisan hacks, he was acting like Rush Limbaugh, the douchebag who gets his kicks attacking other people.

67 Lidane  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:12:59am

re: #63 Targetpractice

People wonder how conspiracy theorists can believe their own theories even when reality destroys them in as catastrophic a fashion as possible. Well, here's how: They just utterly deny reality.

They got high on their own supply, and they're now hopelessly addicted to derp.

68 blueraven  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:13:01am

re: #51 Gus

Allen West Letter: GOP Rep. Reportedly Asked Wife To Be His 'Porn Star', Demanded 'Non-Negotiable' Sex Acts

That congressional race is getting very nasty and personal. Allen West used DUI mugshot of his opponent when he was 19 years old.

Rep. Allen West uses college arrest mugshot of opponent in political ad

69 Gus  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:13:54am

re: #68 blueraven

That congressional race is getting very nasty and personal. Allen West used DUI mugshot of his opponent when he was 19 years old.

Rep. Allen West uses college arrest mugshot of opponent in political ad

Allen West: Tea Party trash.

70 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:14:02am

re: #68 blueraven

That congressional race is getting very nasty and personal. Allen West used DUI mugshot of his opponent when he was 19 years old.

Rep. Allen West uses college arrest mugshot of opponent in political ad

Personally, I'd consider that permission from him to haul his war record before the electorate.

71 Lidane  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:14:05am

re: #28 Kragar

George Will: Obama only winning because he is black

72 Gus  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:14:37am
73 Lidane  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:15:07am

re: #70 Targetpractice

Personally, I'd consider that permission from him to haul his war record before the electorate.

Same here. He wants to use a DUI mugshot from when his opponent was 19? Fine. Let's look at his military record and just why he was discharged.

74 Kragar  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:15:14am

Democrat Targets West’s Military Career In Brutal TV Ad

“You need the facts about Allen West in 2003,” the announcer says, in response to how West’s ad touted his own military service in that year. “West was criminally charged with violating the Uniform Code of Military Justice; found guilty of three counts of aggravated assault; and relieved of his command. The final Army report: West ‘performed illegal acts…merited court martial…faced 11 years in prison.’ Allen West: He just isn’t who he says he is.”

75 Kragar  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:15:32am

re: #70 Targetpractice

Personally, I'd consider that permission from him to haul his war record before the electorate.

Done.

76 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:15:46am

re: #45 Gus

Republican candidate posts his gun on Facebook: ‘Welcome to Tennessee, Mr. Obama’

And when the red beam of the Secret Service sniper rifle scope paints this chicken shits chest he will fucking shit nickles. Big talk from a small mind.

77 Gus  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:16:24am

re: #75 Kragar

Done.

78 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:16:28am

re: #74 Kragar

Democrat Targets West’s Military Career In Brutal TV Ad

As it should be. That man should have to bear that through the rest of his life. He was a disgrace to the uniform and does not deserve to hold any elected office.

79 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:17:57am

re: #51 Gus

Allen West Letter: GOP Rep. Reportedly Asked Wife To Be His 'Porn Star', Demanded 'Non-Negotiable' Sex Acts

He just got damn tired of having to pay someone to act like they could stand him.

80 DelusionDeluge  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:18:25am

The noxious policies and positions of the fanatical right wing since, let's face it, 9/11/01, have created the very man they hate so much: Barack Obama. Obama's rise doesn't seem possible without the crippling presidency of George W. Bush, and it is looking like the silent majority loud minority of post-Obama-inauguration deficit concern trolls (lol) known as the Tea Party will present Obama another four years on a platter. But will we get any self-reflection from the right after two thumpings, or just more doubling down on the hate, losing women and minorities and sane people at a terrifying rate? Redistricting can only work so long as a means of clinging to power, at least in the House. What a country that should value (at least) two strong political parties needs from the Party of Personal Responsibility (TM) is some, ahem, personal responsibility. Not really their strong suit, is it?

81 andres  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:20:47am

re: #52 Kragar

Barton: The 4th of July and the Second Amendment Came Out of the Bible

... what...?

W. T. F. ????

I get that some people need to make God the centerpiece of their universe. I'm cool with that.

But to rewrite History to fit your need, and try to legitimize it is beyond pale. A good auld fashion FU to Barton, and to those that legitimize him (hello Huckabee!).

82 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:21:21am

re: #80 DelusionDeluge

The noxious policies and positions of the fanatical right wing since, let's face it, 9/11/01, have created the very man they hate so much: Barack Obama. Obama's rise doesn't seem possible without the crippling presidency of George W. Bush, and it is looking like the silent majority loud minority of post-Obama-inauguration deficit concern trolls (lol) known as the Tea Party will present Obama another four years on a platter. But will we get any self-reflection from the right after two thumpings, or just more doubling down on the hate, losing women and minorities and sane people at a terrifying rate? Redistricting can only work so long as a means of clinging to power, at least in the House. What a country that should value (at least) two strong political parties needs from the Party of Personal Responsibility (TM) is some, ahem, personal responsibility. Not really their strong suit, is it?

Do you really have to ask? They're already writing the premortum's for Romney's candidacy and the running theme is that the party/ideology didn't fail him, he failed them. That he wasn't the candidate they needed, the mythical "true conservative" who could win handedly in a country yearning for a strong conservative leader like the mythical Ronaldus Magnus.

83 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:21:30am

re: #74 Kragar

Democrat Targets West’s Military Career In Brutal TV Ad

That may not hurt West much, though. Many people simply won't care what he did to Iraqis. Some will just say "So what if he smacked some Arabs around?" and vote for him anyway.

84 Lidane  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:22:21am

re: #80 DelusionDeluge

But will we get any self-reflection from the right after two thumpings, or just more doubling down on the hate, losing women and minorities and sane people at a terrifying rate?

Are you kidding? If the polls hold and Obama wins a second term, expect the right to go even more batshit insane than they already are. I'm already wondering what their first attempts at impeachment will be, and you know that the conspiracy nuts will go into overdrive. It's inevitable.

The Dems had to have a national humiliation with Mondale before they were able to jettison the hippies and the far left and leave them in the margins. The GOP needs the same thing before they will be able to get rid of the religious fanatics, the ignorant, and the bigots and send them all over to the Constiution Party where they all belong.

85 Interesting Times  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:22:43am

re: #83 Dark_Falcon

That may not hurt West much, though. Many people simply won't care what he did to Iraqis. Some will just say "So what if he smacked some Arabs around?" and vote for him anyway.

GOP base FTW!

86 erik_t  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:23:10am

re: #83 Dark_Falcon

That may not hurt West much, though. Many people simply won't care what he did to Iraqis. Some will just say "So what if he smacked some Arabs around?" and vote for him anyway.

An oddly illuminating statement.

87 Gus  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:23:11am

On the road to peak wingnut.

88 Lidane  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:23:14am

re: #83 Dark_Falcon

That may not hurt West much, though. Many people simply won't care what he did to Iraqis. Some will just say "So what if he smacked some Arabs around?" and vote for him anyway.

If they have any sense of decency, they'll care. The man is a disgrace to the military uniform. He faced real prison time for his crimes. That matters.

89 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:23:17am

re: #84 Lidane

Are you kidding? If the polls hold and Obama wins a second term, expect the right to go even more batshit insane than they already are. I'm already wondering what their first attempts at impeachment will be, and you know that the conspiracy nuts will go into overdrive. It's inevitable.

The Dems had to have a national humiliation with Mondale before they were able to jettison the hippies and the far left and leave them in the margins. The GOP needs the same thing before they will be able to get rid of the religious fanatics, the ignorant, and the bigots and send them all over to the Constiution Party where they all belong.

Impeachment? First guess out of the gate: Fast & Furious.

90 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:23:26am

re: #81 andres

W. T. F. ????

I get that some people need to make God the centerpiece of their universe. I'm cool with that.

But to rewrite History to fit your need, and try to legitimize it is beyond pale. A good auld fashion FU to Barton, and to those that legitimize him (hello Huckabee!).

Sounds almost... Soviet in that regard doesn't it?
/

91 Lidane  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:24:43am

re: #89 Targetpractice

Impeachment? First guess out of the gate: Fast & Furious.

I'm sure they'll try. Fast & Furious, the birther garbage, all the outrage over Libya... I'm expecting the GOP to try all of them at least once.

92 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:25:29am

re: #91 Lidane

I'm sure they'll try. Fast & Furious, the birther garbage, all the outrage over Libya... I'm expecting the GOP to try all of them at least once.

And they'll more than couple Blue Dogs who will go along, if only to seem "bipartisan."

93 Gus  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:26:02am
94 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:26:07am

re: #85 Interesting Times

GOP base FTW!

It is what it is. Many people will worry more about a candidate's DUI conviction than his opponent's mistreatment of a POW. There's always a sentiment in any nation fighting against insurgents that would like to just throw out the rules of war and brutalize the enemy into submission. Of course that tactic often backfires in real life, which is why most militaries do not adopt it.

95 Kragar  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:27:41am

re: #83 Dark_Falcon

That may not hurt West much, though. Many people simply won't care what he did to Iraqis. Some will just say "So what if he smacked some Arabs around?" and vote for him anyway.

Hundreds of thousands of other American soldiers were able to serve over the last decade without getting brought up on aggravated assault charges. The man is a disgrace.

96 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:27:47am

re: #94 Dark_Falcon

It is what it is. Many people will worry more about a candidate's DUI conviction than his opponent's mistreatment of a POW. There's always a sentiment in any nation fighting against insurgents that would like to just throw out the rules of war and brutalize the enemy into submission. Of course that tactic often backfires in real life, which is why most militaries do not adopt it.

And why many German and Japanese officials either swung from the end of a rope or did long stretches in prison after WWII.

97 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:27:48am

re: #39 Destro

I am waiting for some conservative loon to suggest white women are voting for Obama because of taboo jungle fever. That was me trying to be Onion. If a conservative actually said this and someone posts the link - the cyber beer is on me because it shows I can't out mock the reality of conservatives.

They're one step away by calling Obama's mother a whore.
Maybe a half step.

98 Lidane  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:28:08am

re: #94 Dark_Falcon

It is what it is. Many people will worry more about a candidate's DUI conviction than his opponent's mistreatment of a POW.

That's fucking stupid. A DUI when someone is 19 is nowhere NEAR the same league as a military officer violating the UCMJ and breaking military law to the point where he faced real, hard jail time and court martial for his crimes.

99 Kragar  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:28:52am

re: #97 Reverend Mother Ramallo

They're one step away by calling Obama's mother a whore.
Maybe a half step.

They're not calling her a whore.

They're just implying she was.

100 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:28:58am

The GOP needs the same thing before they will be able to get rid of the religious fanatics, the ignorant, and the bigots and send them all over to the Constiution Party where they all belong.

by my calculation that would be 40% - 55% of the republican party

101 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:30:43am

re: #26 Targetpractice

"If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain."

And if you're not a liberal when you're 70, you've lost your memory.

102 Gus  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:30:45am
103 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:30:55am

re: #98 Lidane

That's fucking stupid. A DUI when someone is 19 is nowhere NEAR the same league as a military officer violating the UCMJ and breaking military law to the point where he faced real, hard jail time and court martial for his crimes.

Think it more damning that he got away with nothing more than a slap on the wrist. Even got to retire honorably, when he deserved to have someone rip his rank pins and award ribbons off his uniform.

104 Interesting Times  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:31:00am

re: #97 Reverend Mother Ramallo

They're one step away by calling Obama's mother a whore.
Maybe a half step.

Try no steps:

Chair of Alabama GOP Endorses Film Claiming Obama’s Mother Posed in Adult Magazines

105 Gus  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:32:27am
106 Gus  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:33:58am
107 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:33:59am

re: #98 Lidane

That's fucking stupid. A DUI when someone is 19 is nowhere NEAR the same league as a military officer violating the UCMJ and breaking military law to the point where he faced real, hard jail time and court martial for his crimes.

I'm not disagreeing with that. But many people do not see the suspected insurgent West abused as really human. They see that man in they same way the people who inhabited Allan West's district 100 years ago would have seen West himself: as 'lesser' at best, but when deemed 'hostile' as subhuman vermin to be exterminated.

108 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:38:53am

re: #100 engineer cat

The GOP needs the same thing before they will be able to get rid of the religious fanatics, the ignorant, and the bigots and send them all over to the Constiution Party where they all belong.

by my calculation that would be 40% - 55% of the republican party

What percentage of their donation income would that be? That's probably more important to the powers that be in the party.

109 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 11:45:51am

re: #80 DelusionDeluge

Redistricting may have the effect of reducing the chances that any Obama coattails might have on swinging the House back to the Democrats. A couple of pollsters noted that the House is likely to see a Democrat pickup of 10-15 seats, but not enough to win control. They note that the redistricting favored the GOP (by and through state legislatures that controlled the redistricting process and favored GOP strongholds). One report indicated that this is also leading to an intensification of political views - people self select into locations and if areas trend a certain way that they will continue trending that way - locking in political preferences. I think that's got some merit.

110 krypto  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 2:51:49pm

Ah, but anyone who listens to GOP whining, and all the pre-emptive excuses they're currently inventing - knows that the polls are "skewed" -- which I guess in this case must mean that the pollsters oversampled women.


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