The Paranoid Mind of Bryan Fischer: Obama Plans to Forcibly Disarm Christians

“The logic is inescapable”
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President Obama said in Mexico City yesterday that he wants to “keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people,” sending American Family Association spokesloon Bryan Fischer into a feverish paranoid fantasy in which Obama’s jack-booted thugs burst into the homes of Christians, grab their guns, and label them as terrorists.

(Insert sound of cuckoo clock.)

Fischer said that Obama is “setting up the stage to take guns away from evangelicals” and classify them as terrorists: “‘You believe in Jesus Christ?’ ‘Yes I certainly do sir.’ ‘Give me your gun, we’re coming into your house and taking your guns, you’re dangerous, you’re a threat you’re an extremist, you’re a terrorist threat, we can’t let you have a gun.’”

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177 comments
1 Bubblehead II  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:04:21pm

Next up. Obama will require Christians to be registered and wear a yellow cross .

/ only by half

2 Kragar  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:04:26pm

Broadcasting from an alternate reality.

3 klys  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:05:04pm

How does he go from “I want to disarm dangerous people” to “OBAMA’S GONNA DISARM ALL THE CHRISTIANS”?

No, really, we need to identify the drug here so that we can make sure it is NEVER USED AGAIN.

4 thedopefishlives  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:05:16pm

If all Christians were as big of paranoid douchecanoes as Fischer, then he’d probably have a valid argument.

5 erik_t  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:05:34pm

As usual, projecting his desires to be a jackbooted thug onto the actual regular decent people who are in power.

6 Political Atheist  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:06:03pm

Making bank scaring the elderly and the paranoid. What a guy.

7 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:07:17pm

re: #6 Political Atheist

Making bank scaring the elderly and the paranoid. What a guy.

He’s gotta keep them scared to keep the money rolling in.

8 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:07:59pm

Bryan feels Christians are dangerous people because they are the chosen ones and guns.

9 celticdragon  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:08:11pm

Interesting that his immediate knee jerk reaction is to assume that when Obama talks about dangerous people, he must be talking about conservative Southern Baptist type Christians who own guns.

It speaks volumes about his personality and mental disorders.

10 erik_t  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:08:48pm

re: #9 celticdragon

Upding for appropriate plural.

11 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:12:10pm

The logic! Don’t you see? It is inescapable!

12 wrenchwench  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:12:13pm
Obama is “setting up the stage to take guns away from evangelicals”

You don’t ‘set up the stage’. You set the stage. Like you set the table. Clearly Bryan was afraid to hang out with the theater geeks in school.

13 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:12:30pm

Bryan is projecting what he would like to do to Muslims and Gays.


14 thedopefishlives  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:12:37pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

The logic! Don’t you see? It is inescapable!

Resistance is futile.

15 A Mom Anon  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:12:42pm

One could perhaps wonder, and rightfully so, how many bones would come flying out of this man’s closet were the door to open. Or perhaps how many bones are buried under the concrete floor in the basement….

16 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:12:46pm

Closed information systems and rwnj entropy=2nd law of derpodynamics.

17 Kragar  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:13:30pm

Thank dog we live in a country where people like Bryan can still get quick and easy access to military grade weapons with little to no effort, just like Jesus intended when he wrote the Constitution.

18 erik_t  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:13:39pm

re: #13 Vicious Babushka

Bryan is projecting what he would like to do to Muslims and Gays.

Sorry Bryan, all I saw in your tweet there was “instant anal”.

19 klys  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:13:49pm

re: #16 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Closed information systems and rwnj entropy=2nd law of derpodynamics.

If we could just harness it for good, we’d have an infinite energy supply!

20 Bubblehead II  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:14:12pm

Can you imagine Bryans outrage if it was a Muslim Iman making the same accusations?

21 RadicalModerate  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:14:16pm

This is the same Bryan Fischer who has openly advocated kicking all Muslims out of the military, removal of all of their Constitutional rights - including forcibly closing all mosques and stripping all Muslims of US citizenship, and either kicking them out of the country or putting them in interment camps - even in cases where those people have lived in the US for generations.

And he has the gall to claim that he’s the one being persecuted.

22 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:14:39pm

re: #15 A Mom Anon

One could perhaps wonder, and rightfully so, how many bones would come flying out of this man’s closet were the door to open. Or perhaps how many bones are buried under the concrete floor in the basement….

And the one in his pants.

23 klys  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:15:09pm

re: #21 RadicalModerate

This is the same Bryan Fischer who has openly advocated kicking all Muslims out of the military, removal of all of their Constitutional rights - including forcibly closing all mosques and stripping all Muslims of US citizenship, and either kicking them out of the country or putting them in interment camps - even in cases where those people have lived in the US for generations.

And he has the gall to claim that he’s the one being persecuted.

Of course he’s being persecuted. We’re not all following his every whim. That’s persecution of the highest order, didn’t you get the memo?

///

24 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:15:17pm
25 thedopefishlives  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:15:43pm

re: #21 RadicalModerate

This is the same Bryan Fischer who has openly advocated kicking all Muslims out of the military, removal of all of their Constitutional rights - including forcibly closing all mosques and stripping all Muslims of US citizenship, and either kicking them out of the country or putting them in interment camps - even in cases where those people have lived in the US for generations.

And he has the gall to claim that he’s the one being persecuted.

Fundamentalist Christians have perfected the art of playing the victim. It’s amazing how persuasive they can be when it comes to telling other people how they’ve been brutally repressed by the “atheist regime”. Well, other than people who actually know better, that is.

26 Kragar  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:15:50pm

re: #21 RadicalModerate

This is the same Bryan Fischer who has openly advocated kicking all Muslims out of the military, removal of all of their Constitutional rights - including forcibly closing all mosques and stripping all Muslims of US citizenship, and either kicking them out of the country or putting them in interment camps - even in cases where those people have lived in the US for generations.

And he has the gall to claim that he’s the one being persecuted.

Civil rights were only meant for heterosexual white protestant male land owners.
/

27 A Mom Anon  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:15:55pm

re: #22 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Ewwwwwww!

28 RadicalModerate  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:16:02pm

re: #13 Vicious Babushka

Bryan is projecting what he would like to do to Muslims and Gays.

Someone needs to explain to Mr. Fischer that we aren’t living in 1932 Berlin.

29 Bubblehead II  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:16:03pm

bbiaw. Meat world duties call.

30 darthstar  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:16:12pm

re: #10 erik_t

Upding for appropriate plural.

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31 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:17:09pm

re: #25 thedopefishlives

Fundamentalist Christians have perfected the art of playing the victim. It’s amazing how persuasive they can be when it comes to telling other people how they’ve been brutally repressed by the “atheist regime”. Well, other than people who actually know better, that is.

WE ARE TEH REALZ HOLOCAUST VICTIMZ!!11

32 thedopefishlives  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:17:42pm

re: #31 Vicious Babushka

By George, I think she’s got it!

33 FemNaziBitch  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:18:31pm

and he takes Mastercard, Visa, American Express and PayPal. I have a feeling he’d accept cash if you handed it to him.

34 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:18:55pm

re: #21 RadicalModerate

This is the same Bryan Fischer who has openly advocated kicking all Muslims out of the military, removal of all of their Constitutional rights - including forcibly closing all mosques and stripping all Muslims of US citizenship, and either kicking them out of the country or putting them in interment camps - even in cases where those people have lived in the US for generations.

And he has the gall to claim that he’s the one being persecuted.

Fascists have to claim they’re acting in self-defense.

It’s a long standing tradition.

35 klys  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:19:14pm

re: #33 FemNaziBitch

and he takes Mastercard, Visa, American Express and PayPal. I have a feeling he’d accept cash if you handed it to him.

He probably prefers it. Easier to hide from the IRS.

36 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:20:01pm

re: #33 FemNaziBitch

and he takes Mastercard, Visa, American Express and PayPal. I have a feeling he’d accept cash if you handed it to him.

So he does expect a reach around.

37 FemNaziBitch  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:21:51pm

On a good note. There are good, non-crazy men out there. I just posted some Pages about some of them.

“My liberation as a man is tied to your liberation as a women”

-Tony Porter

Honestly, I think there are more good men than crazy walking skeletons like Fischer. If we don’t totally lose science and sanity in the public schools, the likes of Fischer will die out and hopefullly the majority of their ideas as well.

38 FemNaziBitch  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:22:24pm

re: #36 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

So he does expect a reach around.

I hate when people sell God.

39 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:23:01pm

I will concentrate on Doctor Who as much as possible tonight.

40 thedopefishlives  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:23:03pm

re: #37 FemNaziBitch

On a good note. There are good, non-crazy men out there. I just posted some Pages about some of them.

Honestly, I think there are more good men than crazy walking skeletons like Fischer. If we don’t totally lose science and sanity in the public schools, the likes of Fischer will die out and hopefullly the majority of their ideas as well.

I’ll do my level best to help. But one dopefish can only go so far.

41 wrenchwench  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:24:33pm

CuriousLurker says ‘hi!’ to everyone!

She must be getting better, because she’s BORED. Send her a tweet or something.

42 thedopefishlives  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:25:06pm

re: #41 wrenchwench

CuriousLurker says ‘hi!’ to everyone!

She must be getting better, because she’s BORED. Send her a tweet or something.

I’m glad to hear it. Tell her the fish family is praying for her, at least the ones that are old enough to pray.

43 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:25:09pm

re: #38 FemNaziBitch

I hate when people sell God.

I hate it when snake oil salesmen scam people.

44 FemNaziBitch  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:25:32pm

re: #40 thedopefishlives

I’ll do my level best to help. But one dopefish can only go so far.

There are a surprisingly large amount of men out there to support you. I’ve been on the look-out for them and have been compiling a list. From the majority of the media, you’d never know they were there.

I think Peter Buffet is bankrolling some of it. See calltomen.org

45 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:28:50pm

re: #44 FemNaziBitch

There are a surprisingly large amount of men out there to support you. I’ve been on the look-out for them and have been compiling a list. From the majority of the media, you’d never know they were there.

I think Peter Buffet is bankrolling some of it. See calltomen.org

It’s really hard to overcome conditioning. All you can do is catch and correct.

46 wrenchwench  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:34:20pm

re: #42 thedopefishlives

Done.

47 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:35:05pm

This is why small dogs exist.

I smell a rat: New York City dogs hunt hated rodents

Good Doggie!

48 klys  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:35:22pm

re: #41 wrenchwench

CuriousLurker says ‘hi!’ to everyone!

She must be getting better, because she’s BORED. Send her a tweet or something.

I started following and tweeted at her, but I’m not sure if she’ll see it.

49 makeitstop  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:36:04pm

re: #41 wrenchwench

CuriousLurker says ‘hi!’ to everyone!

She must be getting better, because she’s BORED. Send her a tweet or something.

What happened to CL? I haven’t been by in a while. Is she okay?

50 thedopefishlives  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:36:06pm

re: #46 wrenchwench

Done.

One of these days, this old-fashioned fish will get on the Twitterwebs. It took me until a couple of years ago to accept the need for a Facebook (mostly to keep in touch with the folks back in fish country).

51 wrenchwench  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:37:37pm

re: #48 klys

I started following and tweeted at her, but I’m not sure if she’ll see it.

I just gave you your 4,000th upding!

Put your twit nic in your LGF profile and we can all follow you. If CL follows back, you can send her a direct message.

52 wrenchwench  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:38:40pm

re: #49 makeitstop

What happened to CL? I haven’t been by in a while. Is she okay?

I think she’s OK, but she almost wasn’t. She had a burst aneurysm in her head! She’s still in the hospital.

53 makeitstop  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:40:08pm

re: #52 wrenchwench

I think she’s OK, but she almost wasn’t. She had a burst aneurysm in her head! She’s still in the hospital.

Oh, no.

Send her my best. I don’t tweet, but she is far and away one of my favorite Lizards. Hoping she recovers quickly and fully.

54 wrenchwench  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:40:34pm

re: #49 makeitstop

What happened to CL? I haven’t been by in a while. Is she okay?

See this.

55 makeitstop  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:42:35pm

re: #54 wrenchwench

See this.

Thanks for the update, WW. I appreciate it.

56 wrenchwench  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:44:20pm

re: #50 thedopefishlives

One of these days, this old-fashioned fish will get on the Twitterwebs. It took me until a couple of years ago to accept the need for a Facebook (mostly to keep in touch with the folks back in fish country).

I’m trying to make a Facebook page for the shop, because the website for it became too difficult for me to update. Twitter’s more fun.

57 wrenchwench  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:46:52pm

Damn it.

58 Political Atheist  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:47:08pm

re: #54 wrenchwench

See this.

Hah! beautiful. 74 (so far) people that show they care about a person they never met. Gives me hope for the social internet. Love this oasis in the code.

59 thedopefishlives  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:48:00pm

re: #58 Political Atheist

Hah! beautiful. 74 (so far) people that show they care about a person they never met. Gives me hope for the social internet. Love this oasis in the code.

People have a tremendous capacity for good. Too bad so many of them waste it in favor of their tremendous capacity for evil.

60 wrenchwench  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:48:33pm

re: #58 Political Atheist

Hah! beautiful. 74 (so far) people that show they care about a person they never met. Gives me hope for the social internet. Love this oasis in the code.

Especially cool since she’s a code monkey too. (Can I call her that?)

61 makeitstop  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:49:05pm

re: #58 Political Atheist

Hah! beautiful. 74 (so far) people that show they care about a person they never met. Gives me hope for the social internet. Love this oasis in the code.

Make it 75. I was so rattled by what I read, I forgot to upding.

62 FemNaziBitch  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:52:14pm

re: #41 wrenchwench

CuriousLurker says ‘hi!’ to everyone!

She must be getting better, because she’s BORED. Send her a tweet or something.

I’m really glad she went to the hospital. Scary stuff.

Tell her I’m very glad she did the right thing.

Which brings me to a question. How would we know if someone didn’t do the right thing? I hate the idea that one of us would just disappear and we’d always wonder.

63 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:52:34pm

City of Dearborn forced to apologize to Christian missionaries who disrupted an Arab Festival.

Pamela and Spencer are jubilating their “VICTORY OVER TEH SHARIA”

I want to throw up.

64 wrenchwench  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:56:36pm

re: #62 FemNaziBitch

I’m really glad she went to the hospital. Scary stuff.

Tell her I’m very glad she did the right thing.

Which brings me to a question. How would we know if someone didn’t do the right thing? I hate the idea that one of us would just disappear and we’d always wonder.

It has happened. We used to have a lizard with a genetic heart defect. He died, and I didn’t know it for a long time. I thought of him and looked around and found a place that mentioned his passing. I think his nic was SteveC.

65 thedopefishlives  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:57:21pm

re: #64 wrenchwench

It has happened. We used to have a lizard with a genetic heart defect. He died, and I didn’t know it for a long time. I thought of him and looked around and found a place that mentioned his passing. I think his nic was SteveC.

Holy cow, I didn’t even realize he was gone.

66 wrenchwench  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:00:24pm

re: #65 thedopefishlives

Holy cow, I didn’t even realize he was gone.

It’s hard to notice someone’s not there.

Yesterday upon the stair
I saw a man who wasn’t there.
He wasn’t there again today.
Gee I wish he’d go away!

(From memory. I first read it the only time I’ve been a patient in a hospital, about 50 years ago.)

67 EmmaAnne  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:00:38pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

The logic! Don’t you see? It is inescapable!

He keeps using that word, “logic” …

68 thedopefishlives  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:02:43pm

re: #66 wrenchwench

(From memory. I first read it the only time I’ve been a patient in a hospital, about 50 years ago.)

That was pretty good. I’ve seen variations of it pop up on JREF when talking to some of the more paranoid conspiracy theorists.

69 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:04:07pm

re: #40 thedopefishlives

I’ll do my level best to help. But one dopefish can only go so far.

one dopefish can reach multitudes…

70 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:06:53pm
71 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:07:30pm

re: #64 wrenchwench

It has happened. We used to have a lizard with a genetic heart defect. He died, and I didn’t know it for a long time. I thought of him and looked around and found a place that mentioned his passing. I think his nic was SteveC.

:( I didn’t know he was gone :(
He was a kind man!

72 Kragar  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:10:39pm

I actually had one or two ex-lizards get in touch with me over the last couple days, wishing me well. I’d like to thank them and everyone else for the last few days.

73 FemNaziBitch  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:12:08pm

re: #72 Kragar

I actually had one or two ex-lizards get in touch with me over the last couple days, wishing me well. I’d like to thank them and everyone else for the last few days.

I had that happen years ago with a 12-step on-line group I belonged to. Still have one good friend out of that group from the 1990’s. It’s a good feeling. :)

74 makeitstop  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:13:26pm

Whaddya know….words do have consequences.

The Rush Limbaugh Program is considering ending its affiliation agreement with Cumulus Media at the end of this year, a move that would bring about one of the biggest shakeups in talk radio history, a source close to the show tells POLITICO.

Should the move take place, 40 Cumulus-owned radio stations would lose the rights to the most popular talk radio program in the country. In addition, the show might be picked up by competing regional radio stations in Washington, New York, Chicago, Dallas and other major markets.

According to the source, Limbaugh is considering the move because Cumulus CEO Lew Dickey has blamed the company’s advertising losses on Limbaugh’s controversial remarks about Sandra Fluke, the Georgetown law student. In Feb. 2012, Limbaugh referred to Fluke as “a slut” because she had called on congress to mandate insurance coverage of birth control. The subsequent controversy over those remarks resulted in a significant advertising boycott.

The true extent of Limbaugh’s effect on Cumulus’s advertising revenue is not known. In an August 2012 earnings call, Dickey said Cumulus’s top three stations had lost $5.5 million, in part because of the boycott.

How much you wanna bet he ultimately sets up shop on the ‘nets like Beck did?

75 thedopefishlives  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:17:17pm

re: #74 makeitstop

Whaddya know….words do have consequences.

How much you wanna bet he ultimately sets up shop like Beck did?

He’d just about have to. Who’d be willing to take him with the toxic effect he has on advertising?

76 FemNaziBitch  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:19:03pm

Code Speaks Louder than Words

“Our long-term vision is that this becomes an acceptable alternative to college,” says Kane Sarhan, one of Enstitute’s founders. “Our big recruitment effort is at high schools and universities. We are targeting people who are not interested in going to school, school is not the right fit for them, or they can’t afford school.”

77 FemNaziBitch  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:19:32pm

re: #74 makeitstop

Whaddya know….words do have consequences.

How much you wanna bet he ultimately sets up shop on the ‘nets like Beck did?

hmmmm, would that be called karma?

78 Dr Lizardo  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:20:31pm

re: #74 makeitstop

Whaddya know….words do have consequences.

How much you wanna bet he ultimately sets up shop on the ‘nets like Beck did?

I wouldn’t be at all surprised.

Hell, I’m surprised he hasn’t done so already.

79 FemNaziBitch  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:21:37pm

This was posted on fb as a picture of a lost Pomeranian. I think it looks like a close-up of an old painting.

Anyone recognize it?

80 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:28:41pm

Why not smoke signals & cuneiform?

81 engineer cat  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:31:18pm

re: #76 FemNaziBitch

Code Speaks Louder than Words

“enstitute”?

82 wrenchwench  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:31:49pm

It’s hit 80!

Anyone not in there yet? Come on lurkers, sign in and upding one of your own!

83 FemNaziBitch  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:31:53pm

re: #80 Vicious Babushka

Why not smoke signals & cuneiform?

These people need to read something written after 1990. It’s like they can’t a hold of anything after George Orwell or Aldus Huxley.

84 FemNaziBitch  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:32:31pm

re: #81 engineer cat

“enstitute”?

I’m thinking some Marketeer came-up with that.

85 engineer cat  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:33:29pm

Enstitute seeks to challenge the conventional wisdom that top professional jobs always require a bachelor’s degree — at least for a small group of the young, digital elite.

why do i get the feeling that it also challenges the conventional wisdom that you should pay those with these “top professional jobs” as much as they get now?

86 A Mom Anon  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:34:07pm

re: #83 FemNaziBitch

But the post office is part of that evil demon debil government they think is out to get them. How’s that gonna work? Pony Express!!

87 EPR-radar  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:34:56pm

re: #84 FemNaziBitch

I’m thinking some Marketeer came-up with that.

Silly name, but the underlying idea is worth considering. The standard model of college education in the US is way too close to indentured college loan servitude. Alternatives should be investigated.

88 wrenchwench  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:35:12pm
89 FemNaziBitch  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:36:11pm

re: #87 EPR-radar

Silly name, but the underlying idea is worth considering. The standard model of college education in the US is way too close to indentured college loan servitude. Alternatives should to be investigated.

Yeah, I agree with that. College degrees have become a racket, IMHO.

90 FemNaziBitch  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:36:46pm

bbl

91 A Mom Anon  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:38:11pm

re: #87 EPR-radar

Not everyone learns well in a classroom setting either. We need more options that don’t leave people financially devastated. It good to see out of the box type alternatives, but not ones that might short change young people getting paid good salaries when they pour themselves into something in the hopes of making a future for themselves.

92 darthstar  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:39:51pm

re: #80 Vicious Babushka

Why not smoke signals & cuneiform?

Cuneiform is vulnerable to data loss.

Youtube Video
93 Kragar  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:40:26pm

re: #80 Vicious Babushka

Why not smoke signals & cuneiform?

Funny coming from the guys who back policies which bankrupted the post office.

94 klys  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:40:39pm

re: #89 FemNaziBitch

Yeah, I agree with that. College degrees have become a racket, IMHO.

There are some fields where they are still extremely useful. It is a challenge to cover the necessary materials for a wide range of technical or scientific fields in any other setting, for example.

There are other fields where that is less the case.

I know I was extremely lucky to walk out of my schooling with no debt, primarily due to the scholarship I received. My parents remain eternally grateful, I am sure. My sisters both also managed partial scholarships as well.

Even with a half-tuition scholarship, it’s still $17,000 a year right now for the baby. That’s at a public university, although as an out-of-state student. She’s engineering though, so not having a degree isn’t an option.

95 darthstar  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:41:13pm

Heh…

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96 engineer cat  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:43:41pm

re: #84 FemNaziBitch

I’m thinking some Marketeer came-up with that.

at first i thought “enstitute’ involved large, ancient, talking trees, but i guess that would be “entstitute”

97 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:43:45pm

re: #95 darthstar

My response to that is this gif.

98 engineer cat  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:45:10pm

re: #87 EPR-radar

Silly name, but the underlying idea is worth considering. The standard model of college education in the US is way too close to indentured college loan servitude. Alternatives should be investigated.

we could start by looking at germany and all the other countries in the world that have first class university systems that work better than ours financially

99 A Mom Anon  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:45:28pm

re: #95 darthstar

Oh man, I would LOVE to be there for that. Makes me giggle just thinking about it. I hope someone gets lots of video.

100 Kragar  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:46:37pm

re: #95 darthstar

Heh…

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South of Heaven

Youtube Video
102 thedopefishlives  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:49:04pm

re: #101 Vicious Babushka

Can’t be a better win than this.

I am proud to call myself a geek.

103 EPR-radar  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:49:23pm

re: #98 engineer cat

we could start by looking at germany and all the other countries in the world that have first class university systems that work better than ours financially

Big problem here is that foreign models for higher education are not nearly as lucrative for private sector entities (both schools and the loan servicers).

Therefore, by definition, these models do not work nearly as well (student achievement being irrelevant, of course). //dripping

104 engineer cat  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:51:14pm

re: #103 EPR-radar

private sector entities

“entities”

i blame it all on the ents

105 Decatur Deb  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:52:21pm

re: #92 darthstar

Cuneiform is vulnerable to data loss.

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Hammurabi wrote crap code.

106 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:52:26pm

Who has the key to the emergency anti-boredom closet?

107 thedopefishlives  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:52:44pm

re: #106 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Who has the key to the emergency anti-boredom closet?

I ate it. Swim, swim, hungry…

108 EPR-radar  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:53:00pm

re: #104 engineer cat

“entities”

i blame it all on the ents

First the trees start walking and talking, then next thing you know they’re going on and on about preserving the environment —- Saruman

109 Kragar  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:53:41pm

re: #106 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Who has the key to the emergency anti-boredom closet?

Youtube Video
110 klys  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:53:55pm

re: #103 EPR-radar

Big problem here is that foreign models for higher education are not nearly as lucrative for private sector entities (both schools and the loan servicers).

Therefore, by definition, these models do not work nearly as well (student achievement being irrelevant, of course). //dripping

I was curious, so I checked Wikipedia to see how many foreign universities had endowments over a billion.

The answer was more than I would have thought but still far fewer than in the US. And nobody comes close to touching Harvard’s $30 billion. Or even Stanford’s $17 billion.

111 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:53:58pm

re: #107 thedopefishlives

I ate it. Swim, swim, hungry…

Damn fish.

If you were a zebra fish I’d experiment on you.

112 darthstar  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:54:37pm

Fozzie had a tooth pulled today…just picked him up from the vet. Look how happily stoned he is.

Image: 420750_10151602545278024_1099523200_n.jpg

113 thedopefishlives  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:55:31pm

re: #111 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Damn fish.

If you were a zebra fish I’d experiment on you.

I totally don’t swing that way. NTTAWWT.

114 PhillyPretzel  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:55:34pm

re: #105 Decatur Deb

But at least some folks still remember “an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.”

115 engineer cat  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:55:49pm

re: #105 Decatur Deb

Hammurabi wrote crap code.

i am not submitting batch jobs on clay tablets

116 thedopefishlives  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:56:24pm

re: #115 engineer cat

i am not submitting batch jobs on clay tablets

Why not? It’s certainly more durable than punch cards.

117 klys  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:56:50pm

re: #116 thedopefishlives

Why not? It’s certainly more durable than punch cards.

Less likely to blow out of order in a stray breeze!

118 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:56:58pm

re: #82 wrenchwench

It’s hit 80!

Anyone not in there yet? Come on lurkers, sign in and upding one of your own!

Up to 81 now, I dinged it when it was posted!

119 Decatur Deb  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:57:23pm

re: #115 engineer cat

i am not submitting batch jobs on clay tablets

IIRC most cuneiform tablets were spread sheets.

120 PhillyPretzel  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:57:53pm

re: #118 Dancing along the light of day

I already did it.

121 EPR-radar  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:58:55pm

re: #110 klys

I was curious, so I checked Wikipedia to see how many foreign universities had endowments over a billion.

The answer was more than I would have thought but still far fewer than in the US. And nobody comes close to touching Harvard’s $30 billion. Or even Stanford’s $17 billion.

US universities often have this irritating mindset where the endowment has to be protected at all costs. When I was at Stanford, there was a case where a lecturer got in the cross hairs of the Federal War on Drugs clown show for his public statements. The Feds told Stanford to fire the guy or lose the research funding (probably a bluff). Stanford meekly complied.

What is the point of Stanford’s endowment if it isn’t used to stiffen the spines of administrators at times like that?

122 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:59:00pm

re: #118 Dancing along the light of day

Hey, it should be 82. Caused I updinged it.

I felt mixed about doing it initially, as I don’t like the fact she had an aneurysm.(?)

123 lawhawk  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:59:10pm

re: #74 makeitstop

He’s made a ton of coin for a whole lot of people - first and foremost Rush. However, more than a few advertisers are now beginning to realize the toxic effects of advertising and being associated with Rush. That has a trickle down effect to the radio channel/simulcaster. They’re beginning to feel the pinch of advertisers who are quitting their deals.

What does that mean for Rush? He’ll find a way to make coin elsewhere. He could go to Sirius/XM for one. Or, he could go to the Internet radio. Or, he could find another network that’s willing to accept his brand of crazy for the right price.

It comes down to money. If someone’s willing to pay, he’ll be there.

124 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:59:19pm

re: #118 Dancing along the light of day

Up to 81 now, I dinged it when it was posted!

I triple dinged it.

Oh, you were talking about a comment.

Sorry.

125 wrenchwench  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:59:29pm

re: #88 wrenchwench


126 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:59:59pm

re: #125 wrenchwench

Eh, what’s going on.

127 Decatur Deb  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:00:22pm

re: #114 PhillyPretzel

But at least some folks still remember “an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.”

When we got the kids’ first computer, our first effort was to type in ‘Hamurabi’. (sic, the name was truncated to be 8 characters.)

128 wrenchwench  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:01:25pm

re: #126 ProBosniaLiberal

Eh, what’s going on.

Some asshole kidnapped three (at least) girls and kept them for 10 years.

129 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:01:42pm
130 darthstar  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:03:33pm

re: #129 Vicious Babushka

Unlike many of their daddies, they know not to put their fingers on the trigger when posing for pictures.

131 wrenchwench  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:04:51pm

re: #126 ProBosniaLiberal

Eh, what’s going on.

132 EPR-radar  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:06:20pm

re: #130 darthstar

Unlike many of their daddies, they know not to put their fingers on the trigger when posing for pictures.

Although there does seem to be two instances of guns pointed at people here.

133 klys  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:06:25pm

re: #121 EPR-radar

US universities often have this irritating mindset where the endowment has to be protected at all costs. When I was at Stanford, there was a case where a lecturer got in the cross hairs of the Federal War on Drugs clown show for his public statements. The Feds told Stanford to fire the guy or lose the research funding (probably a bluff). Stanford meekly complied.

What is the point of Stanford’s endowment if it isn’t used to stiffen the spines of administrators at times like that?

If it was just a lecturer, they wouldn’t have given a damn.

/ half

I don’t actually understand the purpose of the endowment. All the buildings are sponsored. Tuition is crazy. Researchers have to bring in their own funds. I swear at times it is more like a tourist attraction than a university.

134 Decatur Deb  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:07:15pm

re: #132 EPR-radar

Although there does seem to be two instances of guns pointed at people here.

One of which seems to have a magazine in the well.

135 EPR-radar  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:08:05pm

re: #133 klys

If it was just a lecturer, they wouldn’t have given a damn.

/ half

I don’t actually understand the purpose of the endowment. All the buildings are sponsored. Tuition is crazy. Researchers have to bring in their own funds. I swear at times it is more like a tourist attraction than a university.

To put it crudely, the endowment at many US universities really does seem to be the academic equivalent of dick size. Appropriate, given the terminology usually used.

136 klys  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:08:55pm

re: #135 EPR-radar

To put it crudely, the endowment at many US universities really does seem to be the academic equivalent of dick size. Appropriate, given the terminology usually used.

I thought that’s what Hoover Tower was for…

137 darthstar  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:10:13pm

re: #132 EPR-radar

Although there does seem to be two instances of guns pointed at people here.

Well, just look at that face in the center…can you blame them?
//

138 GeneJockey  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:11:01pm

re: #136 klys

My tower’s taller than yours!

139 klys  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:11:42pm

re: #138 GeneJockey

My tower’s taller than yours!

My sense of worth to the university lasted exactly until I learned the palm trees on campus each cost one year’s salary for a grad student.

140 bratwurst  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:11:45pm

re: #74 makeitstop

Whaddya know….words do have consequences.

How much you wanna bet he ultimately sets up shop on the ‘nets like Beck did?

re: #75 thedopefishlives

He’d just about have to. Who’d be willing to take him with the toxic effect he has on advertising?

He already has a major net presence, but he will certainly not have any problem finding new homes in most or all of the Cumulus markets. These are almost all MAJOR markets where there are AM stations literally dying to make a splash. It might mean moving WAY up the dial, maybe even to daytime only signals in some areas…but his $400,000,000 (!) contract with Clear Channel runs through 2016, so any thought of him disappearing from the airwaves before then is a fantasy.

141 gwangung  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:12:32pm

re: #133 klys

If it was just a lecturer, they wouldn’t have given a damn.

/ half

I don’t actually understand the purpose of the endowment. All the buildings are sponsored. Tuition is crazy. Researchers have to bring in their own funds. I swear at times it is more like a tourist attraction than a university.

Paid for certain salary, but not ALL salaries. They are almost always specified which professor it will fund, and for what purpose If a non-endowed prof. like at Stanford got funds diverted from an endowment, there’d be holy hell to pay, not only from the faculty but certainly from the donor. And they could probably lose that endowment.

142 darthstar  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:14:00pm

re: #140 bratwurst

so any thought of him disappearing from the airwaves before then is a fantasy.

You know what else is a fantasy? Life.

Youtube Video
143 EPR-radar  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:14:56pm

re: #140 bratwurst

re: #75 thedopefishlives

He already has a major net presence, but he will certainly not have any problem finding new homes in most or all of the Cumulus markets. These are almost all MAJOR markets where there are AM stations literally dying to make a splash. It might mean moving WAY up the dial, maybe even to daytime only signals in some areas…but his $400,000,000 (!) contract with Clear Channel runs through 2016, so any thought of him disappearing from the airwaves before then is a fantasy.

It’s been a while since I’ve argued with a committed free-market fundamentalist, which is a pity since the counter-examples just get better and better.

I’d love to see someone try to justify Rush Limbaugh’s earning as a reasonable measure of his contributions to society.

144 klys  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:15:03pm

re: #141 gwangung

Paid for certain salary, but not ALL salaries. They are almost always specified which professor it will fund, and for what purpose If a non-endowed prof. like at Stanford got funds diverted from an endowment, there’d be holy hell to pay, not only from the faculty but certainly from the donor. And they could probably lose that endowment.

The professors that have endowed professorships get their salaries from that, true, but that’s definitely not the majority. Most professors also have some amount of their income derived from the grants they bring in. To my hazy understanding of academic career knowledge, which I want nothing to do with.

But I know that the endowed professorships don’t add up to $17 billion. And there’s very little explanation for what else that money is used for, if anything.

145 GeneJockey  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:16:14pm

re: #139 klys

My sense of worth to the university lasted exactly until I learned the palm trees on campus each cost one year’s salary for a grad student.

As little as that?

//

146 EPR-radar  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:16:40pm

re: #141 gwangung

Paid for certain salary, but not ALL salaries. They are almost always specified which professor it will fund, and for what purpose If a non-endowed prof. like at Stanford got funds diverted from an endowment, there’d be holy hell to pay, not only from the faculty but certainly from the donor. And they could probably lose that endowment.

Good point. Although I have to believe that at a place like Stanford, a negligible fraction of the endowment is actually allocated to things like endowed faculty chairs.

147 bratwurst  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:16:47pm

re: #142 darthstar

You know what else is a fantasy? Life.

[Embedded content]

You’re old…but since I remember that song, I am too.

148 klys  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:17:33pm

re: #145 GeneJockey

As little as that?

//

It is CA, they can’t be that expensive.

//

149 Kragar  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:17:40pm

re: #129 Vicious Babushka

1st rule of firearm safety: Never point a firearm at anything you do not intend to kill

I guess someone forgot the unwritten rule of “DON’T GIVE A KID A GUN, YOU FUCKING MORON!”

150 gwangung  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:19:47pm

re: #144 klys

The professors that have endowed professorships get their salaries from that, true, but that’s definitely not the majority. Most professors also have some amount of their income derived from the grants they bring in. To my hazy understanding of academic career knowledge, which I want nothing to do with.

But I know that the endowed professorships don’t add up to $17 billion. And there’s very little explanation for what else that money is used for, if anything.

Oh, you can generally find it, particularly if it’s a public university. Fundraisers would be HAPPY to tell you of all the various funds, many of which also cover undergraduate scholarships and graduate student fellowships.

151 GeneJockey  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:19:52pm

re: #148 klys

It is CA, they can’t be that expensive.

//

Wait - the trees or the grad students?
//

I assume they didn’t want to plant palm saplings and wait.

152 GeneJockey  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:20:50pm

re: #149 Kragar

I guess someone forgot the unwritten rule of “DON’T GIVE A KID A GUN, YOU FUCKING MORON!”

Yeah, you’d have thought that much would be obvious.

153 darthstar  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:22:14pm

re: #147 bratwurst

You’re old…but since I remember that song, I am too.

Knowing the song doesn’t make me old. Thinking of it when I see the word ‘fantasy’ in print, however, does.

154 bratwurst  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:22:35pm

How bad is the sexual violence culture in the United States military?

Head of U.S. Air Force’s anti-sexual assault unit arrested for sexual battery

155 thedopefishlives  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:22:39pm

re: #149 Kragar

1st rule of firearm safety: Never point a firearm at anything you do not intend to kill

I guess someone forgot the unwritten rule of “DON’T GIVE A KID A GUN, YOU FUCKING MORON!”

That’s rule #0.

156 GeneJockey  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:23:28pm

re: #154 bratwurst

Oy.

157 blueraven  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:23:54pm

Oh my…crazy fuck Ralph Peters is on O’Reilly saying Obama, Hillary and Susan Rice knowingly and willfuly lied to the American people about Benghazi. O’Reilly, along with the rest of Fox news is trying to set the stage if Hillary runs in 2016.

They are presenting all kinds of speculation as facts. And no matter what happens in the end, they think this will cause enough damage to Hillary to make her not run, or lose if she does. It is sickening to watch, but they may get away with it.

158 klys  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:25:14pm

re: #150 gwangung

Oh, you can generally find it, particularly if it’s a public university. Fundraisers would be HAPPY to tell you of all the various funds, many of which also cover undergraduate scholarships and graduate student fellowships.

I was curious so I went looking for Stanford’s info:

Stanford’s $17 billion endowment (as of Aug. 31, 2012) provides an enduring source of financial support for fulfillment of the university’s mission of teaching, learning and research. About 78 percent of the endowment is designated by donors for a specific purpose. There are nearly 7,000 endowed university funds.

Each year, a portion of investment return from the endowment is used to support annual operating expenses. The remainder of the return is reinvested in the endowment to maintain its value over time. The Stanford Management Company (SMC) was established in 1991 to manage Stanford’s financial and real estate assets. SMC is a division of the university with oversight by a board of directors appointed by the university board of trustees.

The income from the endowment represents 21% of the annual income for the university. Student income is another 17%, and health care services income is another 14%. Which I’m assuming references the separate fee assessed on students earmarked for healthcare expenses and charged regardless of whether or not you have your own health insurance or use Stanford’s facilities. Not that I am bitter. Another 29% (the majority) comes from sponsored research (like what pays for me!).

Tuition for 2012-2013 was $41,250.

159 klys  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:25:58pm

re: #151 GeneJockey

Wait - the trees or the grad students?
//

I assume they didn’t want to plant palm saplings and wait.

Hahaha, no, that wouldn’t fit the image.

160 EPR-radar  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:28:42pm

re: #158 klys

Stanford has a major affiliated hospital, so I assume that is where its heath care services income is mostly from.

Student health service fees are pocket change for Stanford’s budget.

161 gwangung  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:29:08pm

re: #158 klys

I come by this from my job (which is in fundraising). For the state universities, some of the rise is from free market economy, charging what the market will bare. And a lot of it is from the local legislatures refusing to fund them adequately and refusing to give enough funds to give local students a break.

(And BTW, I’m a Snodfart alum. Unreasonably proud of it, too).

162 wrenchwench  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:29:27pm

re: #157 blueraven

Oh my…crazy fuck Ralph Peters is on O’Reilly saying Obama, Hillary and Susan Rice knowingly and willfuly lied to the American people about Benghazi. O’Reilly, along with the rest of Fox news is trying to set the stage if Hillary runs in 2016.

They are presenting all kinds of speculation as facts. And no matter what happens in the end, they think this will cause enough damage to Hillary to make her not run, or lose if she does. It is sickening to watch, but they may get away with it.

I think they’re taking their shot way too soon. The Clinton Machine will have plenty of time to neutralize the issue.

163 Stanghazi  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:30:05pm

re: #149 Kragar

1st rule of firearm safety: Never point a firearm at anything you do not intend to kill

I guess someone forgot the unwritten rule of “DON’T GIVE A KID A GUN, YOU FUCKING MORON!”

They are being used.

164 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:30:32pm

re: #154 bratwurst

I get the feeling that, to root out that problem, you may need an independent agency investigating.

Also, you may want to move the Air Force Academy. Colorado Springs is one of those “lovely” places that think women are worth less than men, as a result of Radical Christianity.

I would move it to Fort Collins. Heck, you might be able to disassemble the Chapel and move it there. If not, you can copy it.

165 Decatur Deb  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:30:55pm

re: #162 wrenchwench

I think they’re taking their shot way too soon. The Clinton Machine will have plenty of time to neutralize the issue.

Unless HC is truly not physically up to a campaign, and is amusing herself by drawing fire.

166 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:31:34pm

re: #13 Vicious Babushka

Bryan is projecting what he would like to do to Muslims and Gays.

“instantanalysis.net” with an emphasis on “anal”:

1. Because Bryan Fischer is an ass.
2. Because he is far too focused on gayness. As if he’s denying something.

167 EPR-radar  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:31:58pm

re: #162 wrenchwench

I think they’re taking their shot way too soon. The Clinton Machine will have plenty of time to neutralize the issue.

I still remember the endless RW agitation about Clinton in the run up to 2008 (e.g., ‘she must be stopped’ etc.). Wouldn’t it be funny if a stronger D candidate than Clinton emerged a second time in 2016?

168 gwangung  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:32:10pm

re: #165 Decatur Deb

Unless HC is truly not physically up to a campaign, and is amusing herself by drawing fire.

If she did that, my opinion of her would go WAY up.

169 klys  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:32:58pm

re: #160 EPR-radar

Stanford has a major affiliated hospital, so I assume that is where its heath care services income is mostly from.

Student health service fees are pocket change for Stanford’s budget.

I would think so, but it specifically calls out the hospital’s budget as separate.

re: #161 gwangung

I know the state stuff is a whole different kettle of fish. I did my undergrad at a state school. And I will have two degrees from here. I am just in the bitter I-hate-grad-school phase, so grain of salt. :)

170 gwangung  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:36:17pm

re: #169 klys

I just know that I’m more impressed with folks who went to Stanford as grad students than as undergrads.

I KNOW what kind of people Stanford undergrads are.

171 EPR-radar  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:38:33pm

re: #169 klys

I would think so, but it specifically calls out the hospital’s budget as separate.

…

Thanks for the correction. That’s a hard breakdown to understand.

17% student income (tuition?) and 14% health services income (student/staff health fees?).

These interpretations are untenable —- there is no way that heath service fees can be comparable to tuition, especially when tuition is > 40K per year.

172 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:40:23pm

re: #164 ProBosniaLiberal

Actually, now I have a question.

Isn’t the Navy better in this regard. At the very least, except for some bad procurements, they seem to be better in this regard.

173 klys  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:42:12pm

re: #171 EPR-radar

Thanks for the correction. That’s a hard breakdown to understand.

17% student income (tuition?) and 14% health services income (student/staff health fees?).

These interpretations are untenable —- there is no way that heath service fees can be comparable to tuition, especially when tuition is > 40K per year.

Yeah, I don’t know. There is a clinic on campus (not associated with the hospital) that handles most standard doctor-visit type things for students, plus a counseling center and physical therapy and lab work. Maybe something along those lines, with the insurance reimbursement for those things?

I’m not sure the value here is enough to justify a tuition >$40k, but that’s a different discussion altogether, about what the worth of a name is, etc.

174 wrenchwench  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:43:22pm

This is cool:

175 wrenchwench  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:47:16pm

Später, lizards.

176 chadu  Mon, May 6, 2013 6:38:59pm

re: #74 makeitstop

Whaddya know….words do have consequences.

How much you wanna bet he ultimately sets up shop on the ‘nets like Beck did?

No bet.

177 Bulworth  Tue, May 7, 2013 6:24:03am

I wish someone would ask Fischer why he thinks good G-dfearing evangelical Christians in a society with multiple levels of law enforcement need guns.


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