1 | kirkspencer Fri, Sep 6, 2013 5:20:56pm |
If you go to the white house page you can get both the video and the transcript, but there’s a little digging required. To save that effort:
Video
Transcript
2 | First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Fri, Sep 6, 2013 5:59:42pm |
re: #1 kirkspencer
If you go to the white house page you can get both the video and the transcript, but there’s a little digging required. To save that effort:
Video
Transcript
Good, because I am an idiot and can’t keep myself from reading the YouTube comments.
3 | Targetpractice Fri, Sep 6, 2013 7:09:33pm |
Andy Borowitz publishes on his satire blog for the New Yorker that G20 ended after Obama called Putin a jackass, and now every damned emoprog and wingnut on the net is assuming its a real story.
4 | darthstar Fri, Sep 6, 2013 7:15:18pm |
re: #3 Targetpractice
Andy Borowitz publishes on his satire blog for the New Yorker that G20 ended after Obama called Putin a jackass, and now every damned emoprog and wingnut on the net is assuming its a real story.
Borowitz screwed the pooch on that one. It wasn’t even a decent try at satire. It was juvenile.
5 | EPR-radar Fri, Sep 6, 2013 7:16:36pm |
re: #3 Targetpractice
Andy Borowitz publishes on his satire blog for the New Yorker that G20 ended after Obama called Putin a jackass, and now every damned emoprog and wingnut on the net is assuming its a real story.
What kind of a mental model of Obama do they have where this idiocy becomes even remotely plausible?
Wingnuts I can sort of understand. Now that Putin is their new best friend, of course the Obama of the voices in their heads will call their best buddy a jackass.
The emoprogs remain a mystery.
6 | Targetpractice Fri, Sep 6, 2013 7:18:16pm |
re: #5 EPR-radar
What kind of a mental model of Obama do they have where this idiocy becomes even remotely plausible?
Wingnuts I can sort of understand. Now that Putin is their new best friend, of course the Obama of the voices in their heads will call their best buddy a jackass.
The emoprogs remain a mystery.
The belief that Obama is “thin-skinned” and so resorts to attacking any who question him for the purpose of destroying them. In their minds, Obama calling out Putin as a jackass in front of a large audience fits with the idea of a guy who can’t handle Putin being such a “better” leader than he.
7 | elizajane Fri, Sep 6, 2013 7:19:19pm |
re: #5 EPR-radar
What kind of a mental model of Obama do they have where this idiocy becomes even remotely plausible?
Wingnuts I can sort of understand. Now that Putin is their new best friend, of course the Obama of the voices in their heads will call their best buddy a jackass.
The emoprogs remain a mystery.
Putin is the emoprogs’ best friend too because he’s protecting Snowdon from the Obama regime’s NSA apparatus. Or something.
8 | EPR-radar Fri, Sep 6, 2013 7:19:52pm |
re: #7 elizajane
Putin is the emoprogs’ best friend too because he’s protecting Snowdon from the regime’s NSA apparatus.
FFS.
9 | Targetpractice Fri, Sep 6, 2013 7:21:40pm |
Yep, the wingnuts love Vlad because he’s an authoritarian that uses heavy-handed tactics to silence critics and naysayers alike, while emoprogs love him because they love anybody who’s at odds with Obama at the moment.
10 | darthstar Fri, Sep 6, 2013 7:22:37pm |
re: #9 Targetpractice
Wingnuts love Vlad because he’s white. Period.
11 | EPR-radar Fri, Sep 6, 2013 7:23:57pm |
re: #10 darthstar
Wingnuts love Vlad because he’s white. Period.
Putin gets significant bonus points from US wingnuts for hating on the gays.
12 | Targetpractice Fri, Sep 6, 2013 7:25:05pm |
re: #11 EPR-radar
Putin gets significant bonus points from US wingnuts for hating on the gays.
Hating on the gays, throwing journalists in prison, and being a “strong” leader. Plus they get these funny feelings in their pants when they see him shirtless that they don’t like to acknowledge aloud.
13 | Internet Tough Guy Fri, Sep 6, 2013 7:26:47pm |
re: #12 Targetpractice
You forgot “willing to turn his country into a theocracy for a little power,” which is really the reason for his hating on the gays.
14 | EPR-radar Fri, Sep 6, 2013 7:27:21pm |
re: #7 elizajane
Putin is the emoprogs’ best friend too because he’s protecting Snowdon from the Obama regime’s NSA apparatus. Or something.
OK. I can see this bit of nonsense, but have the emoprogs really dissociated from reality as badly as the wingnuts? After all, Obama has dealt with a great many jackasses in the last 4.5 years (many in the US Congress), and hasn’t called anyone a jackass to their face.
15 | Targetpractice Fri, Sep 6, 2013 7:27:52pm |
re: #13 Internet Tough Guy
You forgot “willing to turn his country into a theocracy for a little power,” which is really the reason for his hating on the gays.
He’s playing a page out of the authoritarian playbook, playing up religion to promote himself and his ideology. Setting himself up as the “defender of the faith.”
16 | klys Fri, Sep 6, 2013 7:28:14pm |
re: #14 EPR-radar
OK. I can see this bit of nonsense, but have the emoprogs really dissociated from reality as badly as the wingnuts? After all, Obama has dealt with a great many jackasses in the last 4.5 years (many in the US Congress), and hasn’t called anyone a jackass to their face.
Short answer: yes.
17 | Targetpractice Fri, Sep 6, 2013 7:29:11pm |
re: #14 EPR-radar
OK. I can see this bit of nonsense, but have the emoprogs really dissociated from reality as badly as the wingnuts? After all, Obama has dealt with a great many jackasses in the last 4.5 years (many in the US Congress), and hasn’t called anyone a jackass to their face.
He’s also not had anybody executed for whistleblowing, but that hasn’t stopped them from accusing him of planning that if Snowden is ever caught and put on trial.
19 | blueraven Fri, Sep 6, 2013 7:36:18pm |
re: #18 Carlos Danger
Australian election is under way.
Those crazy bastards vote on Saturday, when people are off from work!!!
///
20 | Stanley Sea Fri, Sep 6, 2013 7:41:03pm |
21 | EPR-radar Fri, Sep 6, 2013 7:45:28pm |
re: #17 Targetpractice
He’s also not had anybody executed for whistleblowing, but that hasn’t stopped them from accusing him of planning that if Snowden is ever caught and put on trial.
If I were a US prosecutor and was in a position to prepare charges against Snowden, I’d definitely consider adding further espionage act charges to what was originally filed, including capital charges.
22 | Political Atheist Fri, Sep 6, 2013 7:48:18pm |
re: #20 Stanley Sea
That near murderous bastard is going to jail for damn near forever. Or certainly should. Words fail.
23 | blueraven Fri, Sep 6, 2013 7:54:35pm |
re: #22 Political Atheist
That near murderous bastard is going to jail for damn near forever. Or certainly should. Words fail.
They have charged him with “injury to a child”! WTF?
Why not “attempted murder”? He shot a third grader in the face!
25 | ProTARDISLiberal Fri, Sep 6, 2013 7:56:55pm |
Sorry to repeat post, but wanted your opinion:
So, in Skyrim, I just defeated Ulfric Stormcloak after falling in with the Empire.
No, I have decided to be the one to send out. Do I use the admittedly awesome sword Tullius gave me, or do shout him down like he did Torygg?
26 | klys Fri, Sep 6, 2013 8:00:00pm |
Our Chromecast has bugged into playing Kutiman’s YouTube videos on its own after the husband played the first one.
I don’t even know.
27 | calochortus Fri, Sep 6, 2013 8:03:17pm |
re: #22 Political Atheist
White guy shoots black child. Why am I not seeing this being covered on the conservative blogs? /
28 | Stanley Sea Fri, Sep 6, 2013 8:22:56pm |
OK, here’s some fun ya’ll @luvvie is tweeting 50 Shades of Gray
If my tweets are R-rated now, I haven't even got to the part of Christian and Ana MAKING THE SECKS! Mute me, yall! #50ShadesofShade
— Awesomely Luvvie (@Luvvie) September 7, 2013
31 | Gus Fri, Sep 6, 2013 8:40:05pm |
GRAYSON: What’s actually happened is that until this point, in the past couple of years, this has been an internal civil war. It’s been the Alawites on one side and the Sunnis on the other side. And it’s been to some degree a reasonable expression of the desire of many people to have a modern life and not live under a dictatorship. But in the past several months what’s happened is that the backing by other foreign governments of certain rebels, Al-Nusra, has led to a situation where the strongest opposition force in Syria today is in fact another fundamentalist Muslim regime like the one in Iran. So we have a fundamentalist Muslim regime in Iran fighting fundamentalist Muslim Sunnis in a proxy war in Syria. I don’t think we have a dog in that fight. I think this is one of those extraordinarily rare occasions when I think I’m in agreement with Sarah Palin. She said, let Allah sort it out.
32 | Targetpractice Fri, Sep 6, 2013 8:40:38pm |
The more and more I watch the trailer for the new Robocop, the less impressed I’m with it. I get that sinking feeling that, if you strip all the parts that they carried over from the original, it’s gonna end up being a generic action film.
33 | palomino Fri, Sep 6, 2013 8:43:16pm |
re: #6 Targetpractice
The belief that Obama is “thin-skinned” and so resorts to attacking any who question him for the purpose of destroying them. In their minds, Obama calling out Putin as a jackass in front of a large audience fits with the idea of a guy who can’t handle Putin being such a “better” leader than he.
Of course Putin’s a “better” leader. He doesn’t have to deal with a real democratic system. (Wanna serve another term as president? No problem, just do it.)
Authoritarianism is only bad when it’s godless (former USSR). As long as the Church is involved, American reactionaries generally support it.
34 | Gus Fri, Sep 6, 2013 8:48:05pm |
W. T. F. MT @Gus_802: Quoting @AlanGrayson “…I think I'm in agreement with Sarah Palin. She said, let Allah sort it out.”— Bill Scher (@billscher) September 7, 2013
35 | blueraven Fri, Sep 6, 2013 8:53:36pm |
re: #31 Gus
GRAYSON: What’s actually happened is that until this point, in the past couple of years, this has been an internal civil war. It’s been the Alawites on one side and the Sunnis on the other side. And it’s been to some degree a reasonable expression of the desire of many people to have a modern life and not live under a dictatorship. But in the past several months what’s happened is that the backing by other foreign governments of certain rebels, Al-Nusra, has led to a situation where the strongest opposition force in Syria today is in fact another fundamentalist Muslim regime like the one in Iran. So we have a fundamentalist Muslim regime in Iran fighting fundamentalist Muslim Sunnis in a proxy war in Syria. I don’t think we have a dog in that fight. I think this is one of those extraordinarily rare occasions when I think I’m in agreement with Sarah Palin. She said, let Allah sort it out.
He is an ass. I was really sad to see him get back into congress.
36 | Kragar Fri, Sep 6, 2013 8:56:24pm |
If you find yourself agreeing with Caribou Barbie, seek immediate medical assistance
37 | The Ghost of a Flea Fri, Sep 6, 2013 8:57:37pm |
re: #31 Gus
GRAYSON: What’s actually happened is that until this point, in the past couple of years, this has been an internal civil war. It’s been the Alawites on one side and the Sunnis on the other side. And it’s been to some degree a reasonable expression of the desire of many people to have a modern life and not live under a dictatorship. But in the past several months what’s happened is that the backing by other foreign governments of certain rebels, Al-Nusra, has led to a situation where the strongest opposition force in Syria today is in fact another fundamentalist Muslim regime like the one in Iran. So we have a fundamentalist Muslim regime in Iran fighting fundamentalist Muslim Sunnis in a proxy war in Syria. I don’t think we have a dog in that fight. I think this is one of those extraordinarily rare occasions when I think I’m in agreement with Sarah Palin. She said, let Allah sort it out.
Oh fuck him in so many different ways.
I am so fucking sick of variants of “Brown people gonna brown people. SEP”
Like every person in Syria is cleanly aligned with an religious extremist faction, such that none of their deaths are tragic or unavoidable.
38 | Stanley Sea Fri, Sep 6, 2013 8:58:19pm |
I am not linking the good ones. You’ll have to follow @luvvie yourself. I’ve laughed so hard.
I am on page 86 of 356. The only thing I've learned so far is that I coulda been a millionaire by writing a bad book. #50ShadesofShade
— Awesomely Luvvie (@Luvvie) September 7, 2013
39 | The Ghost of a Flea Fri, Sep 6, 2013 9:01:42pm |
Note: that should be tragic or avoidable.
Tech Note: I’m having some issues with comments using Firefox. They won’t load consistently when I enter a thread. Sometimes I can dither about with entering Spy and going back to regular presentation and they load. Hence me needing to append a correction rather than make it with the pencil.
40 | Targetpractice Fri, Sep 6, 2013 9:03:15pm |
re: #36 Kragar
If you find yourself agreeing with Caribou Barbie, seek immediate medical assistance
I’m pretty sure that level of derp is terminal.
41 | Gus Fri, Sep 6, 2013 9:08:27pm |
Speaking of useless idiots.
Ex-NBA player @dennisrodman, arriving in Beijing from Pyongyang, declares Kim Jon Un his friend “for life.” #DPRK— Steve Herman (@W7VOA) September 7, 2013
42 | ProTARDISLiberal Fri, Sep 6, 2013 9:09:58pm |
re: #37 The Ghost of a Flea
The ultimate dudebro.
43 | Gus Fri, Sep 6, 2013 9:10:03pm |
Fascinating part of this? I got that from Newsbusters. My bullshit meter just broke. The pro-left media won’t touch this.
44 | blueraven Fri, Sep 6, 2013 9:11:53pm |
re: #43 Gus
Fascinating part of this? I got that from Newsbusters. My bullshit meter just broke. The pro-left media won’t touch this.
touch what?
45 | Gus Fri, Sep 6, 2013 9:12:40pm |
46 | Amory Blaine Fri, Sep 6, 2013 9:12:59pm |
What’s up with our “leaders” throwing around such inflammatory language? I mean, you can disagree with striking Syria but we are in the midst of making a decision. Especially all this impeachment talk. Yeah makes us look real good to Putin.
47 | palomino Fri, Sep 6, 2013 9:13:10pm |
re: #34 Gus
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Very strange bedfellows. Similar to what I just saw a couple of hours ago here in L.A. (in Studio City at corner of Laurel Canyon and Ventura Blvd).
About once a month on Fridays a group of 2-3 conservative Repubs (since self-rebranded as tea partiers) protest on one side of the street. On the other are usually about 8-10 liberals counter-protesting. This has been going on since at least 2002, with Iraq the initial bone of contention.
For the first time I’ve ever seen the two sides were in agreement on an issue, both opposing action in Syria, but of course for different reasons: liberals hate war, tea partiers hate Obama and some are Paulite libertarian isolationists.
Both sides had “No War for Credibility” signs. But the tea side had the more stupid and insulting signs: Obama called “Black Nixon” in one sign; and just “Idiot” in another one.
As I drove by the intersection I screamed “fuck you!” at the teabaggers.
Was that wrong of me? Oh, well, I’ll just have to live with it. They’re probably used to it anyway…this is a very liberal neighborhood—80% Dem, with gay bars and sushi restaurants everywhere. But the “Black Nixon” sign especially pissed me off; why not just call him Black Hitler?
49 | Gus Fri, Sep 6, 2013 9:17:50pm |
.@AlanGrayson This song is dedicated to you: http://t.co/kQCPaIqnTt— Gus (@Gus_802) September 7, 2013
50 | Amory Blaine Fri, Sep 6, 2013 9:18:02pm |
Last time americans agreed so much on a foreign policy issue, we invaded Iraq.
51 | Targetpractice Fri, Sep 6, 2013 9:20:08pm |
re: #50 Amory Blaine
Last time americans agreed so much on a foreign policy issue, we invaded Iraq.
10 years ago, Democrats were split with a majority supporting the president and Republicans in lock-step behind their guy.
10 years later, Democrats are split with a majority supporting the president and Republicans are in lock-step against the other side’s guy.
Can anyone say with a straight face the exact same situation would exist if it were a President McCain or Romney proposing military intervention in Syria?
52 | Amory Blaine Fri, Sep 6, 2013 9:23:28pm |
re: #51 Targetpractice
If that were the scenario Romney would already have his mission accomplished photo op.
53 | Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 6, 2013 9:27:50pm |
re: #31 Gus
GRAYSON: What’s actually happened is that until this point, in the past couple of years, this has been an internal civil war. It’s been the Alawites on one side and the Sunnis on the other side. And it’s been to some degree a reasonable expression of the desire of many people to have a modern life and not live under a dictatorship. But in the past several months what’s happened is that the backing by other foreign governments of certain rebels, Al-Nusra, has led to a situation where the strongest opposition force in Syria today is in fact another fundamentalist Muslim regime like the one in Iran. So we have a fundamentalist Muslim regime in Iran fighting fundamentalist Muslim Sunnis in a proxy war in Syria. I don’t think we have a dog in that fight. I think this is one of those extraordinarily rare occasions when I think I’m in agreement with Sarah Palin. She said, let Allah sort it out.
It seems I was right about Alan Grayson: He has shown himself unfit for his office yet again.
54 | blueraven Fri, Sep 6, 2013 9:30:12pm |
“Did The White House Help Plan the Syrian Chemical Attack?”
Atlas Shrugs. Not linking to this tripe.
55 | Gus Fri, Sep 6, 2013 9:31:29pm |
56 | Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 6, 2013 9:32:53pm |
re: #54 blueraven
“Did The White House Help Plan the Syrian Chemical Attack?”
Atlas Shrugs. Not linking to this tripe.
Question in reply: “What is so wrong with your head that you would even think that?!”
57 | Gus Fri, Sep 6, 2013 9:34:54pm |
Imagine if Anthony Weiner was a Republican?— Gus (@Gus_802) September 7, 2013
58 | blueraven Fri, Sep 6, 2013 9:38:37pm |
re: #56 Dark_Falcon
Question in reply: “What is so wrong with your head that you would even think that?!”
Limbaugh has floated this too.
Yes, the rabid left has been really awful in some cases, like Grayson. But even he, pales in comparison to these RW fuckers.
59 | Gus Fri, Sep 6, 2013 9:39:01pm |
@Gus_802 he'd ask for forgiveness from The Lord and all would be ok.— Ian Hays (@iansane_) September 7, 2013
60 | blueraven Fri, Sep 6, 2013 9:40:01pm |
re: #57 Gus
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He would be laughed off the stage, just like he has been. He is a joke.
61 | Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 6, 2013 9:40:44pm |
re: #58 blueraven
Limbaugh has floated this too.
Yes, the rabid left has been really awful in some cases, like Grayson. But even he, pales in comparison to these RW fuckers.
Must Concur. Alan Grayson is a disgraceful excuse for a congressman, but even isn’t in Limbaugh league when it comes to being a shithead.
62 | Gus Fri, Sep 6, 2013 9:42:42pm |
Columbia, the Gem of the Ocean: http://t.co/w7CuNjofy7— Gus (@Gus_802) September 7, 2013
63 | BongCrodny Fri, Sep 6, 2013 9:45:22pm |
re: #60 blueraven
He would be laughed off the stage, just like he has been. He is a joke.
Mark Sanford got elected to Congress.
Anthony Weiner is hovering around 7% in the New York City mayoral race.
He might be doing better if he were Republican.
64 | Gus Fri, Sep 6, 2013 9:47:38pm |
Fuck Putin. Fuck Russia. Fuck Assad. Fuck Iran. Fuck Hezbollah. Fuck Greenwald. Fuck Manning. Fuck Snowden. Fuck Assange. Fuck Wikileaks. Fuck Salon. Fuck the Far Left.
65 | prairiefire Fri, Sep 6, 2013 9:50:01pm |
re: #64 Gus
Fuck Putin. Fuck Russia. Fuck Assad. Fuck Iran. Fuck Hezbollah. Fuck Greenwald. Fuck Manning. Fuck Snowden. Fuck Assange. Fuck Wikileaks. Fuck Salon. Fuck the Far Left.
Simmer down, Sarge! Justice meted out hand to mouth, I’m afraid.
66 | Gus Fri, Sep 6, 2013 9:51:24pm |
re: #65 prairiefire
Simmer down, Sarge! Justice meted out hand to mouth, I’m afraid.
Taking prisoners. //
67 | darthstar Fri, Sep 6, 2013 9:56:35pm |
Damn…one strike short of a perfect game. Nice job Petit…your first complete game, and it was a 1 hit shut out.
68 | blueraven Fri, Sep 6, 2013 10:09:02pm |
re: #64 Gus
Fuck Putin. Fuck Russia. Fuck Assad. Fuck Iran. Fuck Hezbollah. Fuck Greenwald. Fuck Manning. Fuck Snowden. Fuck Assange. Fuck Wikileaks. Fuck Salon. Fuck the Far Left.
It’s not just the far left, it is the extremes on both sides.
Perfectly rational people can disagree on NSA, and on Syria. But you get the Greenwalds and the Graysons, Salon combined with the Limbaughs, Drudge and the Paulians, and it sucks.
69 | prairiefire Fri, Sep 6, 2013 11:47:49pm |
re: #68 blueraven
Aue contraire, it does not suck. It is the price of our political freedoms.
70 | piratedan Sat, Sep 7, 2013 12:00:59am |
finished reading the transcript, knew I could find a truly idiotic question from our press corp and sure as hell, Chuckie Todd didn’t disappoint. It’s like the press (at least the mainstream US press) is willfully ignorant of the region, the issue, what the President is saying and proposing. Christ their own myopia on how they choose to frame things keeps me enraged knowing that they are fully complicit in keeping Americans stupid.
71 | sagehen Sat, Sep 7, 2013 12:15:06am |
re: #63 BongCrodny
Mark Sanford got elected to Congress.
Anthony Weiner is hovering around 7% in the New York City mayoral race.
He might be doing better if he were Republican.
The Republican in the NYC mayor’s race is in favor of killing kittens. Seriously.
72 | wheat-dogghazi Sat, Sep 7, 2013 12:38:52am |
re: #70 piratedan
finished reading the transcript, knew I could find a truly idiotic question from our press corp and sure as hell, Chuckie Todd didn’t disappoint. It’s like the press (at least the mainstream US press) is willfully ignorant of the region, the issue, what the President is saying and proposing. Christ their own myopia on how they choose to frame things keeps me enraged knowing that they are fully complicit in keeping Americans stupid.
Sadly, this is true for most Americans, including Congress. Having some background knowledge about the region would be necessary for a journalist or congress critter, you’d think.
74 | Justanotherhuman Sat, Sep 7, 2013 2:34:21am |
Morning shift has arrived. So has a shift to the right in Australia.
I see that Tony Abbott (Liberal National Party) has won the PM election in Australia. Abbott is a social conservative & Catholic and a monarchist. Anti-gay, anti-abortion and clueless about women’s issues (even with 2 daughters 20 and 21). Part of his platform is to stop immigration and abandon Australia’s carbon tax. Thatcher admirer.
Never mind the names of the various parties—Australian politics, how do they work? : )
#BREAKING: @antonygreenabc has called the election. Tony Abbott will be Aust’s next PM. #ausvotes (File Photo: AAP) pic.twitter.com/ZAikr8OTQS
76 | Justanotherhuman Sat, Sep 7, 2013 2:39:55am |
re: #75 Decatur Deb
No Senator Assange? Pity.
So far, no. Ain’t gonna happen.
The East Coast gets lonely in the am, but I’m a very early riser. : )
Easier, though, to keep up with the rest of the world.
77 | Decatur Deb Sat, Sep 7, 2013 2:48:13am |
re: #76 Justanotherhuman
Yes—pretty much the bottom of the day. We used to have a couple lizards who would goof off with great ‘Florida Man’ stuff at this hour. The ringleader got a decent job/school break, and faded away.
78 | Justanotherhuman Sat, Sep 7, 2013 2:57:02am |
Canberra, where JA ran, went Labor: theage.com.au
“Covering just over three quarters of the ACT, this seat takes in the parts of the territory to the south of Lake Burley Griffin and the Molonglo River including the suburbs of Weston Creek, the Woden Valley and Tuggeranong and the industrial areas of Fyshwick and Hume. Residents of Norfolk Island are also enrolled in this division. Canberra has usually been held by Labor, but was won by the Liberal Party in the election that followed the 1975 dismissal of the Whitlam Government, and again twenty years later in a byelection following the resignation of Labor MP Ros Kelly over the “sports rorts” affair. Sitting MP Gai Brodtmann can be expected to campaign hard on Tony Abbott’s plans to reduce the size of the public service.”
Canberra is the Australian Capital Territory, and its demographic is generally more educated and younger than the largest cities, Sydney & Melbourne.
Nice to know people there have good sense. : )
79 | Justanotherhuman Sat, Sep 7, 2013 3:12:50am |
80 | Decatur Deb Sat, Sep 7, 2013 3:21:59am |
re: #79 Justanotherhuman
Also, see the Murdoch endorsements:
“Labor initially saw its figures improve significantly. But in recent weeks Mr Abbott has again broadened the gap. He has enjoyed the strident support of Rupert Murdoch’s newspapers, and remains ahead in the opinion polls.”
Gah.
Look’s like Murdoch’s personal mission is to corrupt the entire English-speaking world, out of pique.
81 | Decatur Deb Sat, Sep 7, 2013 3:27:00am |
re: #3 Targetpractice
Andy Borowitz publishes on his satire blog for the New Yorker that G20 ended after Obama called Putin a jackass, and now every damned emoprog and wingnut on the net is assuming its a real story.
A Freep thread swallowed it whole last night.
82 | A Mom Anon Sat, Sep 7, 2013 3:39:47am |
re: #38 Stanley Sea
I do not get what the hell the appeal of these books are. I tried reading the first bit of the first book on Amazon and it wasn’t only badly written, it was boring as hell. I think I was able to access the first 50-70 pages and it was god awful.
Then I started seeing the stupid books all over the place, women reading them in line at the store, at the dog park, and for sale at the damned grocery store. I thought I must be missing something, so I tried again to read the first book. Um, NO. I’m not a literary snob, but holy crap that is just awful writing. Supposedly women like their porn with a story, but, just, no. I don’t get the appeal. And I’ve noticed there’s about 10 different knock off series by other authors trying to make a buck off the trend(kinda like the whole teenage vampire thing that’s hopefully run it’s course or will soon). Yay.
83 | Justanotherhuman Sat, Sep 7, 2013 3:48:43am |
re: #82 A Mom Anon
I do not get what the hell the appeal of these books are. I tried reading the first bit of the first book on Amazon and it wasn’t only badly written, it was boring as hell. I think I was able to access the first 50-70 pages and it was god awful.
I remember all the hype and thought, WTF? It was obvious it was being hyped heavily, but for what reason? I read a couple of reviews and the feminist in me revolted against ever laying an eye on it; it seemed to be little more than a Harlequin romance with some kinky male dominance in the guise of a sort of “how-to” manual for submission/humiliation.
84 | Kragar Sat, Sep 7, 2013 3:54:57am |
Say what you will about Brian Lumley as a writer, but he certainly got away from the brooding goth vampire model.
85 | Dr Lizardo Sat, Sep 7, 2013 3:56:45am |
re: #83 Justanotherhuman
I remember all the hype and thought, WTF? It was obvious it was being hyped heavily, but for what reason? I read a couple of reviews and the feminist in me revolted against ever laying an eye on it; it seemed to be little more than a Harlequin romance with some kinky male dominance in the guise of a sort of “how-to” manual for submission/humiliation.
“50 Shades” is dreck. It’s the Marquis de Sade for the suburban soccer-mom set without the extreme and violent misogyny of de Sade. Or frankly, his borderline insanity.
86 | A Mom Anon Sat, Sep 7, 2013 4:05:08am |
re: #83 Justanotherhuman
You know, what ever floats your boat as long as no one gets hurt. Not my business, if it works for you, awesome.
But this is just bad, at least put some effort into the writing FFS. So now there’s yet another manufactured stereotype about women not really being strong because all women just have to have a guy dominate them. It’s what we all secretly want, don’tcha know…What’s disturbing is the whole cast of knock off book series from other”authors”. You can spot them right away; same black and white photo cover, same goofy type of book/series title (Bared to You, Shadows of Pearl, For His Desire….barf). There’s even a “bedside companion” book to the 50 Shades series, so you too can bore the shit out of each other in the sack. Also a knock off series called 50 Shades of Oz with a pic of red stilettos on the cover. Do I want to know what Dorothy does with all the other characters in these books? NO. Just. NO. And, you can even buy, I swear to god, your own 50 Shades set of “toys”. Ick.
Americans are weird.
87 | Justanotherhuman Sat, Sep 7, 2013 4:12:39am |
re: #86 A Mom Anon
Evidently, the author of “50” was forced to read “The Story of O” in college and got the idea of doing an up-to-date Americanized version.
Another boring, but a bit better written, throwaway.
88 | Romantic Heretic Sat, Sep 7, 2013 4:27:27am |
re: #82 A Mom Anon
I do not get what the hell the appeal of these books are. I tried reading the first bit of the first book on Amazon and it wasn’t only badly written, it was boring as hell. I think I was able to access the first 50-70 pages and it was god awful.
Then I started seeing the stupid books all over the place, women reading them in line at the store, at the dog park, and for sale at the damned grocery store. I thought I must be missing something, so I tried again to read the first book. Um, NO. I’m not a literary snob, but holy crap that is just awful writing. Supposedly women like their porn with a story, but, just, no. I don’t get the appeal. And I’ve noticed there’s about 10 different knock off series by other authors trying to make a buck off the trend(kinda like the whole teenage vampire thing that’s hopefully run it’s course or will soon). Yay.
Speaking as someone who writes this stuff professionally (or perhaps semi-professionally considering the size of my royalties) that book pisses me off. I work really hard to make sure my kinky erotica has plot, characters and dialog. All the things that make for a good story.
Then this…hack comes along and makes a mint slapping some piece of crap together.
I know life isn’t fair but why can’t it ever be unfair in my favour?
89 | Decatur Deb Sat, Sep 7, 2013 4:51:05am |
90 | Justanotherhuman Sat, Sep 7, 2013 5:09:13am |
Germany joins US, 10 other members of G-20 in blaming Syrian government for chemical attack against civilians last month - @AP
So—what y’all gonna do about it? Hmm?
91 | Pavlovian Hive Mind Sat, Sep 7, 2013 5:17:22am |
92 | freetoken Sat, Sep 7, 2013 5:25:50am |
File under Not-looking-good-for-Adam-and-Eve:
In the upcoming science conference of the American Society of Human Genetics there are several presentations that further the idea of a complex background to the evolution of our species. Notably:
Insights into population history from a high coverage Neandertal genome
We have sequenced to about 50-fold coverage a genome sequence from about 40 mg of a bone found in Denisova Cave in Southern Siberia. The genome of this female is much more closely related to the low-coverage Neandertal genomes from Croatia, Spain, Germany and the Caucasus than to the genome of archaic Denisovans, a sister group of Neandertals, and provides unambiguous evidence that both Neandertals and Denisovans inhabited the Altai Mountains in Siberia. The high-coverage Neandertal genome, combined with our earlier sequencing of a high quality Denisova genome, allows novel insights about the population history of archaic humans:
•We document recent inbreeding in this Altai Neandertal. The inbreeding coefficient of about 1/8 corresponds to about the homozygosity that would be expected from a mating of half siblings.
•The Altai Neandertal genome shares almost seven percent more derived alleles with present-day Africans than does the Denisova genome. This means that the Denisovans derived a proportion of their ancestry from a very archaic human lineage, and the amount of this ancestry they inherit is larger than in Neandertals.
• The Denisovan genome is affected by major recent gene flow from an Altai-related Neandertal.
• To further characterize the variation among Neandertals we sequenced the genome of a Neandertal from the Caucasus to about 0.5-fold coverage. Comparisons to present-day genomes show that the Neandertals who contributed genes to present-day non-Africans were more closely related to this Caucasian Neandertal than to the Neandertals we sequenced from the Altai.
•We built a map of Neandertal ancestry in modern humans, using data from all non-Africans in the 1000 Genomes Project. We show that the average Neandertal ancestry on chromosome X of present-day non-Africans is about a fifth of the genome average. It is known that hybrid incompatibility loci concentrate on chromosome X. Thus, this observation is consistent with a model of hybrid incompatibility in which Neandertal variants that introgressed into modern humans were rapidly selected away due to epistatic interactions with the modern human genetic background.
So, the Neanderthal and sapiens hybrids quickly underwent selection to get rid of many of the incompatible variants of genes, meaning what we still have were either led to neutral or positive effects.
More interestingly, that the Denisovans may have had in their background even more ancient humans, previous to the split of Neanderthals and Denisovans, reminds us of the intriguing discovery that some Africans also include ancient admixtures.
And speaking of Africa:
The Saudi Arabian Genome Reveals a Two Step Out-of-Africa Migration.
Here we present the first high-coverage whole genome sequences from a Middle Eastern population consisting of 14 Eastern Province Saudi Arabians. Genomes from this region are of interest to further answer questions regarding “Out-of-Africa” human migration. Applying a pairwise sequentially Markovian coalescent model (PSMC), we inferred the history of population sizes between 10,000 years and 1,000,000 years before present (YBP) for the Saudi genomes and an additional 11 high-coverage whole genome sequences from Africa, Asia and Europe.
The model estimated the initial separation from Africans at approximately 110,000 YBP. This intermediate population then underwent a long period of decreasing population size culminating in a bottleneck 50,000 YBP followed by an expansion into Asia and Europe. The split and subsequent bottleneck were thus two distinct events separated by a long intermediate period of genetic drift in the Middle East. The two most frequent mitochondria haplogroups (30% each) were the Middle Eastern U7a and the African L. The presence of the L haplogroup common in Africa was unexpected given the clustering of the Saudis with Europeans in the phylogenetic tree and suggests some recent African admixture. To examine this further, we performed formal tests for a history of admixture and found no evidence of African admixture in the Saudi after the split. Taken together, these analyses suggest that the L3 haplogroup found in the Saudi were present before the bottleneck 50,000 YBP. Given the TMRCA estimates for the L3 haplogroup of approximately 70,000 YBP and the timing of the Out-of-Africa split, these analyses suggest that L3 haplogroup arose in the Middle East with a subsequent back migration and expansion into Africa over the Horn-of-Africa during the lower sea levels found during the glacial period bottleneck.
These results are consistent with the hypothesis that modern humans populated the Middle East before a split 110,000 YBP, underwent genetic drift for 60,000 years before expanding to Asia and Europe as well as back-migration into Africa. Examination of genetic variants discovered by Saudi whole genome sequencing in ancestral African populations and European/Asian populations will contribute to the understanding human migration patterns and the origin of genetic variation in modern humans.
Quite a mongrel species, we are.
Adam and Eve will never be the same.
93 | Decatur Deb Sat, Sep 7, 2013 5:39:20am |
re: #92 freetoken
We were starting to guess about a two-step outmigration back in the early 70’s, but the discoveries and molecular anthropology itself just weren’t there.
94 | freetoken Sat, Sep 7, 2013 5:54:18am |
re: #93 Decatur Deb
It’s not just “two step”, though.
The point is that there have been dynamics over the past several hundred thousands of years that in the end present us, a polyglot of a species with multiple admixture events over the last million years.
This is a somewhat intermediate position, between multi-regional human evolution and a hard OOA event. Evidence has been mounting that upright hominini are mobile enough to travel great distances in short periods.
Our development is now well enough documented to pose very thorny issues not just for the literalist creationists but also for those who want to remain in hard and fast camps of OOA or multi-regional evolution.
It’s beginning to look like we are somewhat reminiscent to the so called “ring species”, like the large bears of the Northern Hemisphere temperate and Arctic regions. We are the result of many related populations all over the Easter hemisphere. Some of the other papers presented delve into the African population splits, perhaps 110k to 140k years ago, then admixture of the groups starting about 50k years ago. This latter event would have gone in parallel to what was happening on the Arabian peninsula, and the admixture of Neanderthals with their kissin’ cousin in the Denisova cave. There were probably many of this mixtures going on and it’s probably not reasonable to describe any of them as being especially “us”
It’s beginning to look like we-happened as not anything that can be easily put into a neat timeline, but is rather described as a bushy network of DNA flowing all over the place.
96 | freetoken Sat, Sep 7, 2013 5:57:56am |
97 | Justanotherhuman Sat, Sep 7, 2013 6:03:24am |
re: #96 freetoken
Not sure what you are inquiring.
There is no date on the pages. Was it lifted from somewhere else?
98 | freetoken Sat, Sep 7, 2013 6:04:44am |
99 | freetoken Sat, Sep 7, 2013 6:06:31am |
Refuting the VDARE approach for the GOP, as endorsed by NRO and The Weekly Standard:
Republicans Can’t Win With White Voters Alone
The author hints at, but refuses to call out, the essentially racist base of the hardcore “conservatives” in certain states.
100 | NJDhockeyfan Sat, Sep 7, 2013 6:09:34am |
Good morning lizards.
The morning useful idiot report…
“Hey, let's go protest war by forming a human shield at Assad's Chemical Weapons facilities! Yeah peace!” #Syria http://t.co/iCasuZBzIr— Iyad El-Baghdadi (@iyad_elbaghdadi) September 7, 2013
101 | freetoken Sat, Sep 7, 2013 6:11:25am |
re: #100 NJDhockeyfan
There’s competition for this morning’s “useful idiot”:
Rodman has harsh words for Obama, great ones for Kim Jong Un
Retired NBA star Dennis Rodman left North Korea Saturday, professing his affection for autocratic leader Kim Jong Un and angrily rejecting calls to lobby for the release of imprisoned American citizen Kenneth Bae.
Despite earlier calling on Kim to set Bae free, Rodman said the Christian missionary’s fate was none of his business.
“Guess what? That’s not my job to ask about Kenneth Bae,” Rodman told reporters upon arrival at the airport in China’s capital, Beijing.
“Ask (President Barack) Obama about that. … Ask Hillary Clinton. … Ask those [expletive].” a visibly agitated Rodman shouted, referencing the former secretary of state.
Chomping an unlit cigar, the typically flamboyant Rodman displayed a stack of photos showing him hugging Kim, laughing and conversing with him over a meal, and the two of them watching a basketball game together.
The NBA Hall of Famer and five-time championship winner said the two had formed a close bond over the course of his two visits to the isolated communist dictatorship.
He’s my friend for life. I don’t care what you guys think about him. I don’t give a [expletive] what people around the world think about him. But he’s my friend. And you saw it on the pictures. He’s my friend,” Rodman said.
[…]
102 | Decatur Deb Sat, Sep 7, 2013 6:14:12am |
re: #94 freetoken
Remember that even the ‘splitters’ had a much simpler taxonomy then. Habilis was a gracile Australopithecine, and lumpers were pulling Australopithecus into Homo. We didn’t even talk of hominins.
103 | Decatur Deb Sat, Sep 7, 2013 6:15:15am |
re: #100 NJDhockeyfan
Good morning lizards.
The morning useful idiot report…
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What if someone shielded a CW depot and nobody came?
104 | Justanotherhuman Sat, Sep 7, 2013 6:15:35am |
105 | Justanotherhuman Sat, Sep 7, 2013 6:17:22am |
re: #101 freetoken
There’s competition for this morning’s “useful idiot”:
Rodman has harsh words for Obama, great ones for Kim Jong Un
Yeah, you fame whore, nothing like having a murderous dictator as a “friend”.
106 | Justanotherhuman Sat, Sep 7, 2013 6:20:59am |
re: #100 NJDhockeyfan
Good morning lizards.
The morning useful idiot report…
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107 | sagehen Sat, Sep 7, 2013 6:21:15am |
re: #83 Justanotherhuman
I remember all the hype and thought, WTF? It was obvious it was being hyped heavily, but for what reason? I read a couple of reviews and the feminist in me revolted against ever laying an eye on it; it seemed to be little more than a Harlequin romance with some kinky male dominance in the guise of a sort of “how-to” manual for submission/humiliation.
It actually started as “Twilight” fanfic, that got such huge response online that the author took it down, changed the character names and reworked it a little. Does that make the character dynamic easier to recognize? It’s basically the same audience too, just a few years older now than they were when they started reading the dreck source material.
108 | NJDhockeyfan Sat, Sep 7, 2013 6:22:42am |
re: #105 Justanotherhuman
Yeah, you fame whore, nothing like having a murderous dictator as a “friend”.
He’s such an ass.
Rodman to US journo: “How's your wife? Is she f**king your ass every day? I don't give a shit. Make me more famous. Make me more famous”— maxim duncan (@maximduncan) September 7, 2013
109 | NJDhockeyfan Sat, Sep 7, 2013 6:28:25am |
Look below Rodman’s left hand. What do you see?
Dennis Rodman shares a cigar with Kim Jong Un in North Korea: pic.twitter.com/wsugzqpmQe— James Pearson (@pearswick) September 7, 2013
110 | BongCrodny Sat, Sep 7, 2013 6:30:15am |
111 | freetoken Sat, Sep 7, 2013 6:30:47am |
re: #109 NJDhockeyfan
You mean the extra hand under Rodman’s right hand?
112 | NJDhockeyfan Sat, Sep 7, 2013 6:32:26am |
re: #111 freetoken
You mean the extra hand under Rodman’s right hand?
Left hand, right hand, third hand…not too sure which one.
113 | Justanotherhuman Sat, Sep 7, 2013 6:34:32am |
re: #107 sagehen
It actually started as “Twilight” fanfic, that got such huge response online that the author took it down, changed the character names and reworked it a little. Does that make the character dynamic easier to recognize? It’s basically the same audience too, just a few years older now than they were when they started reading the dreck source material.
Never read the “Twilight” stuff, either. I figured if my granddaughter (not a heavy reader) was so enthused about “Twilight”, it probably wasn’t something I’d enjoy.
114 | Justanotherhuman Sat, Sep 7, 2013 6:36:47am |
115 | BongCrodny Sat, Sep 7, 2013 6:37:12am |
re: #109 NJDhockeyfan
Look below Rodman’s left hand. What do you see?
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“…and then I had my girlfriend executed for cheating on me — hey, wanna shoot some hoops?”
116 | PhillyPretzel Sat, Sep 7, 2013 6:39:06am |
re: #114 Justanotherhuman
I just magnified it and it appears to be a white hand holding a cigarette. It may be photoshopped.
117 | freetoken Sat, Sep 7, 2013 6:39:51am |
We need to come to terms with the idea that “higher education” is supposed to be a ticket to salvation:
Vying for top marks in the ‘educational apocalypse’ category
Who is today’s undergraduate? According to a new book by former Harvard president Derek Bok, she is an unfocused and homework-averse student who is being aided to achieve an inappropriate and useless education by a university system in which the needs of undergraduates come last.
[…]
A formulaic approach to education smothers the curious mind while doing little to redress the incurious.
118 | Justanotherhuman Sat, Sep 7, 2013 6:48:58am |
“Rodman’s entourage for the trip — which was sponsored by an online gambling firm — included Michael Spavor, a Canadian who runs an education exchange scheme called the Pyongyang Project, and Joseph Terwilliger, an associate professor of neuroscience at Columbia University in New York.”
119 | wheat-dogghazi Sat, Sep 7, 2013 6:52:25am |
re: #117 freetoken
The same review glosses over yet another William Bennett tome espousing the idea that only rich kids get anything out of a liberal arts education, and poor kids should just stick with community colleges and state u’s for marketable skills.
The Ilgunas book looks more interesting and more informative. Bok, bless his elderly heart, apparently spends 500 pages analyzing what most people in academia already know, and do little about.
120 | William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Sep 7, 2013 6:59:51am |
re: #117 freetoken
We need to come to terms with the idea that “higher education” is supposed to be a ticket to salvation:
Vying for top marks in the ‘educational apocalypse’ category
A formulaic approach to education smothers the curious mind while doing little to redress the incurious.
Freedom is only deserved by the rich and only their children should be educated for it.
121 | wrenchwench Sat, Sep 7, 2013 7:06:01am |
Who partitioned the hard drive in the ramalamadingdong?— mathew (@mathew) September 7, 2013
122 | Carlos Danger Sat, Sep 7, 2013 7:07:27am |
Ever wonder what goes on in Rupert Murdoch’s brain?
123 | wheat-dogghazi Sat, Sep 7, 2013 7:10:04am |
re: #122 Carlos Danger
Ever wonder what goes on in Rupert Murdoch’s brain?
I think he had a really bad experience at the DMV as a younger man. Scarred him for life.
124 | PhillyPretzel Sat, Sep 7, 2013 7:10:46am |
re: #122 Carlos Danger
That is why I call him “that muckraker Murdoch.” He will do anything to make headlines.
125 | darthstar Sat, Sep 7, 2013 7:18:12am |
Disgusting. You've really outdone yourself, Texas: http://t.co/pJKl1o3eAp— Gabe Ortíz (@TUSK81) September 7, 2013
126 | Carlos Danger Sat, Sep 7, 2013 7:18:36am |
This was the top reated comment on reddit:
I just don’t understand how this happened. I get that people are annoyed with Rudd and Labor, I am too, but did the voters eve look at the LNP’s policies?! Now we’ll be stuck with a PM who; doesn’t believe in climate change, is against marriage equality, thinks women are second class citizens, is a disaster regarding international relations, wants us to have shit internet, shit educations, and wants to strip away workers’ rights… Great job, Australia.
Rudd was fairly thoughtful for a leader- too bad his own party contested his leadership. I think most people’s perception of Abbott in the US is him being an asshole to Gillard (see: the misogyny speech).
We think we have a shitty media- Murdoch owns 70% in Oz.
127 | Justanotherhuman Sat, Sep 7, 2013 7:21:26am |
128 | William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Sep 7, 2013 7:22:18am |
re: #122 Carlos Danger
Ever wonder what goes on in Rupert Murdoch’s brain?
He really hates the ideas of freedom and democracy. Only the rich deserve anything good, the rest get the “circuses” of Faux Entertainment.
129 | sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 7, 2013 7:31:20am |
re: #114 Justanotherhuman
Looks more like a claw…
tip of a pen
Metallic point, and if you follow it back towrds the hand you can see the color of the barrel
(between the forefinger and the thumb)
130 | Backwoods_Sleuth Sat, Sep 7, 2013 7:37:35am |
re: #109 NJDhockeyfan
Look below Rodman’s left hand. What do you see?
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So, MIB was correct…Rodman is an alien.
Also, interesting that Kim’s cigar was photoshopped (badly) out of his hand.
131 | Justanotherhuman Sat, Sep 7, 2013 7:37:58am |
re: #129 sattv4u2
tip of a pen
Metallic point, and if you follow it back towrds the hand you can see the color of the barrel
Oh yeah, thanks, blew it up myself and saw it. Notice how tiny Kim’s hands are? Obviously photoshopped, or some tiny person was sitting next to Rodman’s chair. : )
132 | Carlos Danger Sat, Sep 7, 2013 7:38:02am |
Yesh, Australia has religious whackos too, and one of them won election, although it’s hard to tell them apart from the LIberals:
Family First opposes the introduction of any emissions trading scheme or ‘carbon tax’ and believes it would be grossly irresponsible to proceed with such a policy that will involve major changes to the Australian economy without first having an independent enquiry e.g. a Royal Commission, which is prepared to listen to scientists who disagree with the current ‘climate change doctrine’
I think most scientists would agree objectively that Australia is losing it’s reserves of freshwater and the hinterland is dry as punk and getting hotter.
Family First aims to increase the affordability of housing by increasing the affordability of land. Family First believes that this should be achieved by removing urban growth boundaries and zoning restrictions
Yeah- removing zoning in a country with a minuscule percentage of arable land. Sounds like a smashing idea.
133 | Pavlovian Hive Mind Sat, Sep 7, 2013 7:38:11am |
134 | Eventual Carrion Sat, Sep 7, 2013 7:39:51am |
re: #129 sattv4u2
tip of a pen
Metallic point, and if you follow it back towrds the hand you can see the color of the barrel
(between the forefinger and the thumb)
Maybe someone behind Rodman, ducked out of the pic behind Rodman’s chair as the photo was snapped. Only his hand supporting him was still on the chair arm for support in his crouch so showed in the pic.
135 | Carlos Danger Sat, Sep 7, 2013 7:41:19am |
re: #114 Justanotherhuman
Looks more like a claw…
How else did you think he snagged all those rebounds?
136 | NJDhockeyfan Sat, Sep 7, 2013 7:43:03am |
re: #130 Backwoods_Sleuth
So, MIB was correct…Rodman is an alien.
Also, interesting that Kim’s cigar was photoshopped (badly) out of his hand.
It doesn’t make sense why they would photoshop pictures of Rodman and Kim. Did they not find a good picture of the two BFFs?
137 | Justanotherhuman Sat, Sep 7, 2013 7:43:08am |
re: #134 Eventual Carrion
Maybe someone behind Rodman, ducked out of the pic behind Rodman’s chair as the photo was snapped. Only his hand supporting him was still on the chair arm for support in his crouch so showed in the pic.
I wouldn’t doubt that R & Co weren’t allowed to take their own photos, but had to take those provided by NK. It would make sense they would be photoshopped in order to present Lil Kim in the best possible light and were done rather badly. Rodman came back with what looked like 5x7 prints.
138 | darthstar Sat, Sep 7, 2013 7:43:13am |
re: #133 Pavlovian Hive Mind
What in the fuck….
If you want people to think you’re cool, hang some Trucknutz from your bumper.
139 | sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 7, 2013 7:43:56am |
re: #134 Eventual Carrion
Maybe someone behind Rodman, ducked out of the pic behind Rodman’s chair as the photo was snapped. Only his hand supporting him was still on the chair arm for support in his crouch so showed in the pic.
translator, most likely
has to be close enough to hear both men as well as translate in a hushed tone so as not to drown out whoever is spaeking
140 | darthstar Sat, Sep 7, 2013 7:51:36am |
@P0TUS I use Trutwit with @LifeLock to protect my identity when buying gold from all the money I make using my computer at home!— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) September 7, 2013
141 | sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 7, 2013 7:53:16am |
re: #140 darthstar
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you forget all the money you also got from that Nigerian prince
142 | darthstar Sat, Sep 7, 2013 7:55:35am |
I hate predatory companies almost as much as I hate predatory “journalists”…so I’m making a constructive suggestion…
Hey, @LifeLock got a great scam idea for you. Tap into the #NSA paranoia of the #Greenwald fanboi club. They have money and are gullible!— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) September 7, 2013
143 | darthstar Sat, Sep 7, 2013 7:56:00am |
re: #141 sattv4u2
you forget all the money you also got from that Nigerian prince
SSSHHH! Nobody knows about that!
144 | sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 7, 2013 7:59:21am |
145 | darthstar Sat, Sep 7, 2013 8:01:59am |
@TheTweetOfGod with kindness?— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) September 7, 2013
146 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 7, 2013 8:03:16am |
re: #80 Decatur Deb
Look’s like Murdoch’s personal mission is to corrupt the entire English-speaking world, out of pique.
Australia has always had a place in Rupert Murdoch’s heart (he funded Gallipoli, the early 19800’s movie that started Mel Gibson on the path to stardom) and he has always sough to influence it.
As me, I am of course quite please to see the national Liberal party back in charge in Australia.
147 | darthstar Sat, Sep 7, 2013 8:04:00am |
re: #144 sattv4u2
WE
KNOW
ALL!!!
The NSA intercepted my account number so I never got the “$860,00,000 MILLIONS” I was promised.
148 | sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 7, 2013 8:05:38am |
re: #147 darthstar
The NSA intercepted my account number so I never got the “$860,00,000 MILLIONS” I was promised.
On the upside, there are several NSA employees that have extremely nice beachfront homes, and they thank you
149 | Feline Fearless Leader Sat, Sep 7, 2013 8:11:02am |
re: #103 Decatur Deb
What if someone shielded a CW depot and nobody came?
It’s a false flag operation by the CIA to help pin-point where they are!
150 | William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Sep 7, 2013 8:13:49am |
re: #146 Dark_Falcon
Australia has always had a place in Rupert Murdoch’s heart (he funded Gallipoli, the early 19800’s movie that started Mel Gibson on the path to stardom) and he has always sough to influence it.
As me, I am of course quite please to see the national Liberal party back in charge in Australia.
Yep. Denying climate change, denying marriage equality, considering women to be second or third class citizens, foreign policy that makes W look thoughtful and cautious, and economics that only an Austrian could think will work while being even more Tax Phobic than the fellow from Mississippi. Have I missed anything of what they’re like?
The only good news is that being a parliamentary system, they can give the idiots a boot when they wake up and not have to wait until four years of damage has been done.
151 | Carlos Danger Sat, Sep 7, 2013 8:14:39am |
re: #146 Dark_Falcon
Australia has always had a place in Rupert Murdoch’s heart (he funded Gallipoli, the early 19800’s movie that started Mel Gibson on the path to stardom) and he has always sough to influence it.
As me, I am of course quite please to see the national Liberal party back in charge in Australia.
You’re trolling us again, aren’t you. The Liberals don’t believe in global warming, are dead set against gay rights, and are proposing cuts to departments on little more than political orthodoxy. Indigenous legal services, research grants, and public education are on the chopping block.
I guess you would like them.
152 | sagehen Sat, Sep 7, 2013 8:15:40am |
re: #146 Dark_Falcon
Australia has always had a place in Rupert Murdoch’s heart (he funded Gallipoli, the early 19800’s movie that started Mel Gibson on the path to stardom) and he has always sough to influence it.
As me, I am of course quite please to see the national Liberal party back in charge in Australia.
Isn’t that where he’s from originally?
153 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 7, 2013 8:16:59am |
154 | First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Sep 7, 2013 8:20:54am |
re: #125 darthstar
I lived in Waco for several years. I was there during the Branch Davidian ‘event’, and while I {now} despise conspiracy theory thinking, I can’t help but remember that the Waco Tribune Herald ran a week-long story called “The Sinful Messiah” which was all about David Koresh and the supposedly salacious goings-on at Mount Carmel, and it just ever-so-conveniently happened to conclude on the day of the ATF raid..
I go to Waco every 3 or 4 years to visit family, and every time I am overwhelmed with unexpected nostalgia because the entire city somehow manages to resist changing.
155 | Justanotherhuman Sat, Sep 7, 2013 8:21:45am |
re: #153 Dark_Falcon
I believe so, but I’m not sure.
Born in Melbourne. First wife was 19; he was 41. Unless Wikipedia is lying. : )
156 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 7, 2013 8:22:33am |
re: #150 William Barnett-Lewis
Climate change is not to be fixed by inflicting new taxes. Carbon taxes simply give more money to governments, which generally misuse such funds.
Research grants to fight AGW, now those are a different kettle of fish. Those can indeed make a positive difference. It is best if they are private, of course, but properly screen government grants can be useful.
157 | Iwouldprefernotto Sat, Sep 7, 2013 8:24:26am |
re: #156 Dark_Falcon
Climate change is not to be fixed by inflicting new taxes. Carbon taxes simply give more money to governments, which generally misuse such funds.
Research grants to fight AGW, now those are a different kettle of fish. Those can indeed make a positive difference. It is best if they are private, of course, but properly screen government grants can be useful.
Taxes on carbon make it more expensive, giving business a reason to change. Most are not going to do to because it’s the right thing to do.
158 | darthstar Sat, Sep 7, 2013 8:24:31am |
By the way, if you don’t watch Conan O’Brien, check out the videos from Thursday night. Carl Reiner (!!!) was on - at 91 years old, he’s still sharp as ever. Fantastic interview, and Conan and Andy were both just overjoyed and honored to have him on the show…and apparently Carl Reiner always wanted to sing opera…and does…it’s fucking beautiful.
159 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 7, 2013 8:26:15am |
re: #154 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce
I lived in Waco for several years. I was there during the Branch Davidian ‘event’, and while I {now} despise conspiracy theory thinking, I can’t help but remember that the Waco Tribune Herald ran a week-long story called “The Sinful Messiah” which was all about David Koresh and the supposedly salacious goings-on at Mount Carmel.
I go to Waco every 3 or 4 years to visit family, and every time I am overwhelmed with unexpected nostalgia because the entire city somehow manages to resist changing.
I’ve read that Wiki page before and its still shocking. But in reading my belief in justice in given new impulse, for ensuring justice is the way to prevent such a vile deed from occurring.
Both of the most horrific things to have happened in Waco involved fire.
160 | Carlos Danger Sat, Sep 7, 2013 8:27:06am |
re: #156 Dark_Falcon
Never mind the fact that Australia managed to level off its carbon emissions?
161 | sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 7, 2013 8:27:44am |
re: #158 darthstar
Carl Reiner always wanted to sing opera…and does…it’s fucking beautiful.
iirc, he did it a couple of times on the old Dick Van Dyke show in character as Alan Brady and yes, even though he did it on a comedy show, he was good
162 | darthstar Sat, Sep 7, 2013 8:28:57am |
re: #161 sattv4u2
Carl Reiner always wanted to sing opera…and does…it’s fucking beautiful.
iirc, he did it a couple of times on the old Dick Van Dyke show in character as Alan Brady and yes, even though he did it on a comedy show, he was good
Watch the section where he talks about finding Mary Tyler Moore…hilarious.
163 | darthstar Sat, Sep 7, 2013 8:30:52am |
it's remarkable how many companies are using the latest revelations about NSA breaking crypto to claim their schizzle is unhackabizzle— briankrebs (@briankrebs) September 6, 2013
164 | William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Sep 7, 2013 8:34:12am |
re: #156 Dark_Falcon
DF, they totally deny it exists even as the hinterlands are running out of water.
This will not end well for the people of Australia.
165 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 7, 2013 8:34:17am |
re: #163 darthstar
@briankrebs It's an old trick: “Go with my product, because unlike those failures over there, MY product is made better and won't fail you!”
— Kurt Akemann (@Dark_Falcon7) September 7, 2013
166 | Political Atheist Sat, Sep 7, 2013 8:35:32am |
re: #157 Iwouldprefernotto
But that’s not the right scenario. It.s not tax vs willingness. It’s existing energy sources vs lack of options.
Tax incentives for hybrid or electric conversions to vehicles. It’s putting in more natural gas and nuclear energy infrastructure. Smoothing the regulatory/building code to accept solar and wind systems. Taming objections to unsightly solar farm and wind farms given the warming crisis.
I know of a place where LA County building and safety thwarted a big solar installation. They threatened an unreasonable and un necessary rewiring of buildings that basically meant a total rebuild of some walls, and the whole electrical grid on the property. So the place still lets all that solar just make weeds on the property and Edison still sells us the now all fossil fueled electricity. I saw all the reports.
167 | Carlos Danger Sat, Sep 7, 2013 8:36:25am |
re: #164 William Barnett-Lewis
DF, they totally deny it exists even as the hinterlands are running out of water.
This will not end well for the people of Australia.
The “but the government” excuse really skates on thin ice when one of Abbott’s proposals was a $75,000AUD subsidy to mother per child.
168 | darthstar Sat, Sep 7, 2013 8:41:24am |
Apparently, Murdoch tried to ban this ad.
Thanks Rupert Murdoch, but Australians can choose their own government.: http://t.co/oEuu56S33Y #greatad— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) September 7, 2013
169 | Gus Sat, Sep 7, 2013 8:42:03am |
Julian Assange bid for Senate seat fails - one percent of Victorians voted for him - TechGeek http://t.co/vVFNhJLhzI #fail— Gus (@Gus_802) September 7, 2013
Boink.
Internet ≠ Reality
170 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 7, 2013 8:44:24am |
re: #166 Political Atheist
But that’s not the right scenario. It.s not tax vs willingness. It’s existing energy sources vs lack of options.
Tax incentives for hybrid or electric conversions to vehicles. It’s putting in more natural gas and nuclear energy infrastructure. Smoothing the regulatory/building code to accept solar and wind systems. Taming objections to unsightly solar farm and wind farms given the warming crisis.
I know of a place where LA County building and safety thwarted a big solar installation. They threatened an unreasonable and un necessary rewiring of buildings that basically meant a total rebuild of some walls, and the whole electrical grid on the property. So the place still lets all that solar just make weeds on the property and Edison still sells us the now all fossil fueled electricity. I saw all the reports.
Matters like that solar installation failure happen because activists and legislators don’t follow through after getting their ballyhooed “do something” legislation. Oversight over the regulatory agencies is largely boring and quite unsexy, but it is absolutely needed if reform is to really work.
171 | bratwurst Sat, Sep 7, 2013 8:45:27am |
Hitler's bodyguard dies at 96, proud to the end of his service to Der Feuher & in denial of his wife's being a Jew. http://t.co/eKnqxx3k3n— Strobe Talbott (@strobetalbott) September 7, 2013
172 | Carlos Danger Sat, Sep 7, 2013 8:45:52am |
re: #166 Political Atheist
So your proposal is basically to bribe businesses into accepting the cheapest system possible? That’s a kludge, not a effective system for real reform.
174 | Political Atheist Sat, Sep 7, 2013 8:49:33am |
re: #172 Carlos Danger
Let’s say I prefer carrot to stick. Do you think of a Prius buyer as someone who was bribed? I don’t. Taxing fossil energy without alternatives in place is just gouging and inflationary.
175 | Gus Sat, Sep 7, 2013 8:52:37am |
I think when you see any of these fringe types on the internet you’re looking at a minute part of society.
176 | Carlos Danger Sat, Sep 7, 2013 8:55:26am |
re: #174 Political Atheist
Taxing fossil energy without alternatives in place is just gouging and inflationary.
Australia’s economy grew over 10% under Labour’s watch and inflation dropped, even with the Carbon Tax.
Sorry, them’s the facts.
177 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 7, 2013 8:58:36am |
re: #175 Gus
I think when you see any of these fringe types on the internet you’re looking at a minute part of society.
True, but their loudness and commitment to their causes* gives them visibility and sometimes strength that exceeds what mere numbers would suggest.
*: “Commitment to their causes”, but too many of them just plain need to be committed to a mental health facility.
178 | Political Atheist Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:04:13am |
re: #176 Carlos Danger
That’s a nation that may or may not compare well to here. And is that oil tax causation all that well established, or did a great recovery overcome increased taxes like what we saw here in the ‘90’s?
179 | Gus Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:07:11am |
re: #178 Political Atheist
That’s a nation that may or may not compare well to here. And is that oil tax causation all that well established, or did a great recovery overcome increased taxes like what we saw here in the ‘90’s?
Yep. Minimum wage in Australia for example being around 15/hr. One size doesn’t fit all.
180 | Amory Blaine Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:08:36am |
Freedom or something.
Public hearing set on Wisconsin bill legalizing some raw milk sales
181 | Gus Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:08:48am |
So, if I want to find solutions to climate change and don’t accept the notion of a carbon tax I get kicked out of the club? I have to support a carbon tax?
183 | Iwouldprefernotto Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:11:37am |
re: #181 Gus
So, if I want to find solutions to climate change and don’t accept the notion of a carbon tax I get kicked out of the club? I have to support a carbon tax?
No. Come up with a better plan.
Plus I would never kick you out of the club because of your mad photoshop skills.
184 | Gus Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:13:02am |
re: #183 Iwouldprefernotto
No. Come up with a better plan.
Plus I would never kick you out of the club because of your mad photoshop skills.
Electric car sales are jumping. Especially in California. In Denver I’m seeing metro cars by the boatload. A few years ago they were an oddity. Now they’re very common. Bike stations everywhere it seems.
185 | Political Atheist Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:13:15am |
re: #179 Gus
That’s a bit too much like comparing Israeli airline security to ours. Sheer scale and population makes a heck of a difference. So do you prefer stick to carrot for reform overall? I just don’t. Provide better alternatives and people (including purchasing managers and location development people) will step up. Not all, but most.
What’s my alternative to fossil fueled electricity at work? NOTHING. There is no clean outlet. Edison no longer runs a nuke. If we switched from gas furnaces (a half million BTU’s) to electric the environment takes a bigger hit. Tax our gas and we might switch to electric. Raise taxes on that and we still don’t have an alternative, and just raise prices. Inflationary and a significant competitive disadvantage. Who’s the winner there again?
Move to Aus? Add twelve time zones of travel to shipping product? No thanks.
186 | Carlos Danger Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:15:28am |
re: #178 Political Atheist
Can you provide a better real world example? We need an effective plan that reduces emissions, and even California hasn’t managed to do that.
BTW, here are the trend lines showing carbon emissions by sector. Electricity generation is about where it was in 2005.
187 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:16:54am |
re: #180 Amory Blaine
Freedom or something.
Public hearing set on Wisconsin bill legalizing some raw milk sales
This one has been going on in Wisconsin for a long time. There have been raw milk supporters there for a long as I can remember. Like the French, they also support using that raw milk to make specialty cheeses, which one would expect from Cheeseheads.
189 | Carlos Danger Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:18:49am |
re: #187 Dark_Falcon
This one has been going on in Wisconsin for a long time. There have been raw milk supporters there for a long as I can remember. Like the French, they also support using that raw milk to make specialty cheeses, which one would expect from Cheeseheads.
I can totally hear the vocal raw cheese movement busting down the doors to get to these public hearings.
Yes. Totally.
190 | blueraven Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:18:51am |
191 | Feline Fearless Leader Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:19:58am |
re: #190 blueraven
charging your battery?
I need to do that as well - simply to keep up with the cats and their highly efficient solar charging systems.
192 | Gus Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:21:01am |
Wait a second. So Australian didn’t choose their new PM but Rupert Murdoch chose him for them or something?
Kidding. I’m seeing some of that on Twitter. Rather derpy. Australia goes back and forth this way. Nothing new.
193 | Gus Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:21:22am |
194 | Amory Blaine Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:22:03am |
Yeah I like specialty cheese as much as the next cheesehead but milk is pasteurized for a reason. Not big government intruding on “choice”. There were options for raw milk before. There are farms where you can buy a share of a dairy cow and use the raw milk. There’s a pic of an amish guy at the link pouring milk into a jar on the floor. Nice.
195 | Political Atheist Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:23:29am |
re: #186 Carlos Danger
Okay. Offer the carrot, enforce with the stick. Edison should have been able to keep that nuke running if at reduced capacity. California needs to have less objections in the actual way of cleaner energy sources. Each and every clean source has had objections and “concerns” kept in the way.
Solar farms? Ugly. Alters the environment by changing the land. Hurts land creature by altering the plant growth pattern. Wind? Kills too many protected bird species. Home solar? Coming along but building regs are still woefully behind as are the inspectors training. Home wind? Yes, out in the farmlands but not being allowed in suburbia, too noisy. Again not well regulated.
Apartment dwellers? Totally at the mercy of the landlord. No solar, no wind, no alternatives. Small biz? Utterly at the mercy of the locality.
Stick without carrot? No thanks.
196 | Gus Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:25:39am |
“Australia is under new management & is open for business” - Tony Abbott gives election victory speech http://t.co/lu00tiedIV #Auspol— BBC Breaking News (@BBCBreaking) September 7, 2013
197 | Iwouldprefernotto Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:26:24am |
re: #195 Political Atheist
Okay. Offer the carrot, enforce with the stick. Edison should have been able to keep that nuke running if at reduced capacity. California needs to have less objections in the actual way of cleaner energy sources. Each and every clean source has had objections and “concerns” kept in the way.
Solar farms? Ugly. Alters the environment by changing the land. Hurts land creature by altering the plant growth pattern. Wind? Kills too many protected bird species. Home solar? Coming along but building regs are still woefully behind as are the inspectors training. Home wind? Yes, out in the farmlands but not being allowed in suburbia, too noisy. Again not well regulated.
Apartment dwellers? Totally at the mercy of the landlord. No solar, no wind, no alternatives. Small biz? Utterly at the mercy of the locality.
Stick without carrot? No thanks.
Plus one of the reasons that Electric cars are selling is the incentives from the state and federal govt.
198 | Feline Fearless Leader Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:27:08am |
199 | Amory Blaine Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:27:36am |
There’s not enough exploitation of geothermal.
200 | darthstar Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:29:11am |
201 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:31:28am |
re: #195 Political Atheist
Okay. Offer the carrot, enforce with the stick. Edison should have been able to keep that nuke running if at reduced capacity. California needs to have less objections in the actual way of cleaner energy sources. Each and every clean source has had objections and “concerns” kept in the way.
Solar farms? Ugly. Alters the environment by changing the land. Hurts land creature by altering the plant growth pattern. Wind? Kills too many protected bird species. Home solar? Coming along but building regs are still woefully behind as are the inspectors training. Home wind? Yes, out in the farmlands but not being allowed in suburbia, too noisy. Again not well regulated.
Apartment dwellers? Totally at the mercy of the landlord. No solar, no wind, no alternatives. Small biz? Utterly at the mercy of the locality.
Stick without carrot? No thanks.
“All stick, no carrot” seldom works and in my mind should not be used when dealing with the general public or with non-crooked businesses. It crushes initiative and enables overbearing, unresponsive government.
202 | Amory Blaine Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:31:37am |
I would totally love to install a geothermal heat pump but it would cost like 30,000 dollars to install. I would love to see big tax credits for this. Would be highly effective in the north.
203 | ObserverArt Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:32:15am |
re: #156 Dark_Falcon
Climate change is not to be fixed by inflicting new taxes. Carbon taxes simply give more money to governments, which generally misuse such funds.
Research grants to fight AGW, now those are a different kettle of fish. Those can indeed make a positive difference. It is best if they are private, of course, but properly screen government grants can be useful.
What are your feelings about an agency like the EPA being involved? Set standards and have the agency police/report. Of course the EPA would need to be strengthened and I know it is a political whipping boy, but it has helped the environment.
Instead of taxing, the government could use political influence through assistance and maybe tax offsets or credits for industries that meet new standards. Industries that do not might be fined through taxes, but those monies could help pay for the incentives. Bad industry pushing the good as their punishment. In time the technology that good industries create always becomes cheaper and the poorer performing industries will then benefit.
204 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:32:26am |
205 | b_sharp Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:33:18am |
re: #181 Gus
So, if I want to find solutions to climate change and don’t accept the notion of a carbon tax I get kicked out of the club? I have to support a carbon tax?
Do you have a different solution that will act as quickly?
206 | Gus Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:33:40am |
re: #198 Feline Fearless Leader
Is Perry quaking in his boots with Texas now having competition?
//
Reading. He doesn’t pass my social liberal standards that’s for sure.
207 | Gus Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:34:09am |
re: #205 b_sharp
Do you have a different solution that will act as quickly?
Are we doing anything quickly?
208 | Gus Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:35:05am |
re: #205 b_sharp
Do you have a different solution that will act as quickly?
If you tax energy that means the government gets money to buy stuff. Money equals energy so a carbon tax itself has a carbon footprint.
209 | Feline Fearless Leader Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:35:20am |
210 | Carlos Danger Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:36:11am |
re: #195 Political Atheist
Okay. Offer the carrot, enforce with the stick.
Both is better than just one or the other. But the key is to all of this is education - if schools keeps turning out people ignorant of climate change, it’s going to make the entire debate irrelevant.
211 | Gus Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:36:12am |
re: #209 Feline Fearless Leader
Besides repealing Obamacare? I don’t think so.
/
They were trying to build a rather large solar energy facility in California. It’s being held up for environmental studies.
212 | Amory Blaine Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:37:08am |
Some of the environmental groups are big energy’s best friend. My opinion.
213 | Political Atheist Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:37:26am |
re: #197 Iwouldprefernotto
Yeah, that figures with what is really overly early versions. The elctric cars of a few years from now will ably show why the Prius and Volt need incentives to carve out market share. the pioneers get the arrows the settlers get the farms. So to speak.
You know what car I like? The H cars that have fuel cells. No combustion engine at all. Those cars will be come the performance cars IMO. Just takes time. Again it’s early in development. They will get better. Hydrogen fueling stations will become less rare.
214 | ProTARDISLiberal Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:37:46am |
re: #206 Gus
Somehow, Australia is behind us in several regards socially.
Proud to be an American today. I see a few Australian Whovians on Tumblr going a bit wonky:
Tony Abbott is worse than Rassilon, okay? That’s how bad it is. The Liberal Party is Earth’s equivalent of the Time Lord High Council.
Yep, I’d say that was accurate. (Except Rassilon actually accomplished something before he turned madman and they locked him up in his tomb alive. Abbot is pretty much just post-Time War Rassilon after he escaped the Dark Tower.)
215 | Gus Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:38:11am |
The carbon taxes won’t just sit around and go unspent. They’ll turn around and use it for say, entitlement programs. Running those programs have a CO2 footprint for administrative facilities, electricity, heat, etc. Entitlements themselves result in consumer spending on goods and services which also have a CO2 footprint.
216 | Feline Fearless Leader Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:39:03am |
re: #213 Political Atheist
Yeah, that figures with what is really overly early versions. The elctric cars of a few years from now will ably show why the Prius and Volt need incentives to carve out market share. the pioneers get the arrows the settlers get the farms. So to speak.
You know what car Hlike? The H cars that have fuel cells. No combustion engine at all. Those cars will be come the performance cars IMO. Just takes time. Again it’s early in development. They will get better. Hydrogen fueling stations will become less rare.
Once the fuel cells are ready we then move on to plastic armor, weapons, and CAR WARS.
;)
217 | ProTARDISLiberal Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:39:32am |
re: #214 ProTARDISLiberal
To be fair, that isn’t new.
I have seen people using the Republicans as punchlines regarding the Daleks, and vice versa.
218 | Amory Blaine Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:39:34am |
It will promote drive to be more efficient though.
219 | ObserverArt Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:40:01am |
re: #175 Gus
I think when you see any of these fringe types on the internet you’re looking at a minute part of society.
And the internet being so immediate and all-covering they are also made to look bigger even though only a small fraction cares.
It sort of like Steve Martin in “The Jerk” getting all excited getting the new phone book and seeing himself listed and scream “I’m somebody!”.
Get a web site and a good net tech guy…you too can be big and dangerous.
220 | b_sharp Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:43:04am |
re: #207 Gus
Are we doing anything quickly?
No we aren’t and that’s the problem. At 400ppm we’re at a point where the script is written. We need to do something to reduce emissions dramatically in the short term, not the long term.
So far the only method that has a chance of reducing emissions over that short period is the stick. Humans respond faster when their pocket books are affected so a carbon tax is the best choice now. However that tax needs to be reinvested into new technologies so contrary to what some say, the tax doesn’t just disappear into the aether.
221 | Amory Blaine Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:43:53am |
re: #213 Political Atheist
New capacitors to improve electric vehicles
The Technology Strategy Board programme for Low Carbon Vehicles funded scientists at NPL and their collaborators to work on a solution to this problem by developing a new ceramic capacitor dielectric material with a high energy density, called HITECA, which operates with a stable capacitance at temperatures of 200 °C and above.
The use of this material in electric and hybrid vehicles would reduce the need for cooling and the associated weight of the vehicles. Its high permittivity could enable smaller electronic devices and its reduced loss of capacitance with voltage could improve overall vehicle performance. Other types of capacitor, for example barium titanate capacitors, can lose up to 85% of their capacitance at working voltage.
Fits and starts.
222 | blueraven Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:44:06am |
re: #192 Gus
Wait a second. So Australian didn’t choose their new PM but Rupert Murdoch chose him for them or something?
Kidding. I’m seeing some of that on Twitter. Rather derpy. Australia goes back and forth this way. Nothing new.
I agree, they go back and forth but I think Murdoch has himself to blame for much of that. He has claimed his paper’s endorsements and influence are key. So people like to give him the credit/blame whether it is true or not.
He has created the myth.
One of the biggest jokes of the nineties was the claim by The Sun newspaper that “It Was The Sun What Did It!” when the Tories were swept back into power against all the odds after the 1992 election.
Then, later that decade, The Sun mysteriously fell in love with New Labour and Tony Blair, causing some of us to think that they simply saw which way the wind was blowing and adjusted their sails accordingly.
223 | Feline Fearless Leader Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:44:35am |
re: #219 ObserverArt
And the internet being so immediate and all-covering they are also made to look bigger even though only a small fraction cares.
It sort of like Steve Martin in “The Jerk” getting all excited getting the new phone book and seeing himself listed and scream “I’m somebody!”.
Get a web site and a good net tech guy…you too can be big and dangerous.
Well, the time since the movie has shown that we have plenty of defective cans *and* defective people.
224 | Carlos Danger Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:44:41am |
re: #215 Gus
The emissions data is published earlier up in the thread. “General government services” only makes up 25% of the Australian budget, with health and social security making up another 50%.
Does a research grant funded by the carbon tax have a CO2 footprint? Would it be more or less regressive to cut that out completely?
226 | blueraven Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:46:29am |
227 | Gus Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:47:16am |
229 | Political Atheist Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:48:50am |
re: #221 Amory Blaine
When my employer had to get the next work truck I tried and tried to find a cost effective electric or hybrid. Just too costly by far. Even if gas was $6.00 Looked at hydrogen conversion for the truck. Natural gas conversion.
230 | blueraven Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:49:46am |
re: #227 Gus
Sounds dangerous. OK, done!
Not really. They work differently.
Of course not all at once and not habitually. Staggered. Ibuprofen, then 2 hrs later acetaminophen or vice versa.
231 | Gus Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:50:34am |
re: #220 b_sharp
No we aren’t and that’s the problem. At 400ppm we’re at a point where the script is written. We need to do something to reduce emissions dramatically in the short term, not the long term.
So far the only method that has a chance of reducing emissions over that short period is the stick. Humans respond faster when their pocket books are affected so a carbon tax is the best choice now. However that tax needs to be reinvested into new technologies so contrary to what some say, the tax doesn’t just disappear into the aether.
You know what gets me? We have all of that free energy from the sun going unused. Kind of stunning really. No, it’s not free since it requires technology to capture it but there it is. Solar energy that I “studied” for a year in the early 80s. Solar panels and the satellite solar power stations. That was 33 years ago. Here we are.
232 | Decatur Deb Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:50:55am |
re: #202 Amory Blaine
I would totally love to install a geothermal heat pump but it would cost like 30,000 dollars to install. I would love to see big tax credits for this. Would be highly effective in the north.
A more workable home fix is a heat-pump water heater, $900-1200. If Well done, it also acts as a 9000-15000 btu air condtioner for part of the house. Savings payback is a couple years at our electricity cost. GE and one or two others make them.
233 | Gus Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:51:21am |
re: #230 blueraven
Not really. They work differently.
Of course not all at once and not habitually. Staggered. Ibuprofen, then 2 hrs later acetaminophen or vice versa.
That’s what I’m starting to do. Was doing Ibuprofen with baby aspirin. Aspirin is pretty harsh.
234 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:51:41am |
re: #217 ProTARDISLiberal
To be fair, that isn’t new.
I have seen people using the Republicans as punchlines regarding the Daleks, and vice versa.
Well, there are orange Daleks, but I don’t see John Boehner shouting “EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!”. :D
The Daleks could be jokingly linked to today’s drones, especially in order to get a rise out of the dudebros.
BBL
235 | Carlos Danger Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:52:31am |
re: #231 Gus
I wonder how effective solar would be on all those huge flat roofed warehouses I see around my area…
236 | wrenchwench Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:54:50am |
This morning as I walked to work, I saw a cat with something wiggly hanging out of his mouth. I first thought it was a lizard, because they’re so common around here, but I didn’t see any legs. If it had legs, and they were in the cat’s mouth, that cat had a whole lot of lizard in it’s mouth. So I figured it had to be a snake.
When the cat got to his front porch, he dropped his prize. It sat there and wiggled. It was a tail, and only a tail, from a good-sized lizard, who is now eating extra bugs so she can grow a new one.
237 | Gus Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:55:22am |
re: #235 Carlos Danger
I wonder how effective solar would be on all those huge flat roofed warehouses I see around my area…
Not sure. They could sell energy to the utility company. I heard something about some utility wanting to curb home solar panel use. Have to look that up.
238 | b_sharp Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:56:03am |
re: #231 Gus
You know what gets me? We have all of that free energy from the sun going unused. Kind of stunning really. No, it’s not free since it requires technology to capture it but there it is. Solar energy that I “studied” for a year in the early 80s. Solar panels and the satellite solar power stations. That was 33 years ago. Here we are.
As long as solar costs more to utilize than a cheap and plentiful, and most importantly a well established, alternative there will be little incentive to develop it.
That’s the free market way.
239 | sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:56:29am |
re: #225 Gus
Acetaminophen or Ibuprofen. Decisions, decisions.
be on the safe side
Go with the one that goes best with Vodka
240 | Political Atheist Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:57:03am |
California already has very high gasoline taxes. Electrics and hybrids still sell poorly absent further incentives. This does not bode well for the carbon tax until alternatives are in place. $.72 per gallonLink, and gas is about $4. About 18%.
With combined incentives they sell really well.
Carrot beats stick.
241 | Gus Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:57:24am |
With Rooftop Solar on Rise, U.S. Utilities Are Striking Back
Faced with the prospect of a dwindling customer base, some U.S. power companies are seeking to end public subsidies and other incentives for rooftop solar. In Arizona, the issue has sparked a heated public relations battle that could help determine the future of solar in the United States.
242 | Carlos Danger Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:57:56am |
re: #239 sattv4u2
be on the safe side
Go with the one that goes best with Vodka
Caffeinated coffee vodka!
243 | Gus Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:58:00am |
re: #241 Gus
With Rooftop Solar on Rise, U.S. Utilities Are Striking Back
Faced with the prospect of a dwindling customer base, some U.S. power companies are seeking to end public subsidies and other incentives for rooftop solar. In Arizona, the issue has sparked a heated public relations battle that could help determine the future of solar in the United States.
Several utilities, including Arizona Public Service and Denver-based Xcel Energy, have asked their state regulators to reduce incentives or impose charges on customers who install rooftop solar; so far, at least, they aren’t making much headway. A bill in the California legislature, backed by the utility interests would add $120 a year in fees to rooftop solar customers.
245 | Decatur Deb Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:59:19am |
re: #238 b_sharp
As long as solar costs more to utilize than a cheap and plentiful, and most importantly a well established, alternative there will be little incentive to develop it.
That’s the free market way.
“Get these numbers up before the next quarterly report. Fuck next year and your grandkids.”
Also the free market way.
246 | Gus Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:59:26am |
So it could be bonkers for all I know. :D Happens sometimes. It’s the internets.
247 | ProTARDISLiberal Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:00:26am |
re: #234 Dark_Falcon
The joke I remember the most goes like this. In regards to the Parliament of the Daleks from the episode Asylum of the Daleks:
Wait a minute, you are telling me that a society that regularly devalues its most common members and raises its elites up to titles such as ‘Supreme’ or ‘Emperor,’ has all along been a democracy at heart? Sounds like the Republican Daleks have won the last few elections.
248 | b_sharp Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:00:36am |
re: #235 Carlos Danger
I wonder how effective solar would be on all those huge flat roofed warehouses I see around my area…
Solar is best used on motorized racks that keep the angle to the sun.
249 | ProTARDISLiberal Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:01:55am |
re: #243 Gus
I think we need to nationalize power companies. Without profit being the bottom line, we should be able to think farther ahead.
250 | sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:03:04am |
re: #242 Carlos Danger
Caffeinated coffee vodka!
Sure
But for me, please hold the caffeinated coffee
251 | Decatur Deb Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:03:36am |
re: #249 ProTARDISLiberal
I think we need to nationalize power companies. Without profit being the bottom line, we should be able to think farther ahead.
The GOP has been trying to de-nationalize the TVA since Roosevelt. There are some signs of that under the present administration.
252 | Feline Fearless Leader Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:04:30am |
re: #251 Decatur Deb
The GOP has been trying to de-nationalize the TVA since Roosevelt. There are some signs of that under the present administration.
Once they do that they can then drain the lake and claim the treasure!
:p
253 | Carlos Danger Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:05:02am |
re: #252 Feline Fearless Leader
Once they do that they can then drain the lake and claim the treasure!
:p
Confederate money?
254 | Political Atheist Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:05:09am |
re: #248 b_sharp
That’s “best” but after taking a hard look for that facility I mentioned up thread the numbers at our latitude (34 N.) make more sense for simple south facing fixed installation. Partly involved in that is bracing against severe winds. Adds a lot of complexity in design and control. Adds a lot of weight too. I saw a program where a kid worked out a far better configuration. It’s lots of small panels arranged vertical and horizontal. Like trees. Man nature has done so much engineering for us and we just miss it.
255 | ProTARDISLiberal Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:05:11am |
re: #251 Decatur Deb
The fee-market ideology is hyper-destructive. At some point, it must be challenged.
256 | b_sharp Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:06:21am |
re: #240 Political Atheist
California already has very high gasoline taxes. Electrics and hybrids still sell poorly absent further incentives. This does not bode well for the carbon tax until alternatives are in place. $.72 per gallonLink, and gas is about $4. About 18%.
With combined incentives they sell really well.
Carrot beats stick.
Both have to be in place. If we had all the time in the world the carrot by itself would likely be sufficient, except the money for the subsidies has to come from somewhere.
During the polluted ’70s crack downs on companies ignoring new regulations resulted in a quick reduction of pollutants. Money from taxes and fines helped other companies implement new technologies through subsidies.
257 | Feline Fearless Leader Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:06:36am |
258 | Feline Fearless Leader Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:07:32am |
re: #254 Political Atheist
That’s “best” but after taking a hard look for that facility I mentioned up thread the numbers at our latitude (34 N.) make more sense for simple south facing fixed installation. Partly involved in that is bracing against severe winds. Adds a lot of complexity in design and control. Adds a lot of weight too. I saw a program where a kid worked out a far better configuration. It’s lots of small panels arranged vertical and horizontal. Like trees. Man nature has done so much engineering for us and we just miss it.
How do you keep the pigeons and sparrows from nesting in those and crapping all over the panels though?
259 | Decatur Deb Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:07:52am |
re: #255 ProTARDISLiberal
The fee-market ideology is hyper-destructive. At some point, it must be challenged.
And this golden oldie goes out to our pal PTL in Colorado:
260 | Carlos Danger Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:08:16am |
261 | ProTARDISLiberal Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:08:42am |
re: #259 Decatur Deb
I like the Social Democratic model. Also, I value people over money.
262 | Feline Fearless Leader Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:09:10am |
re: #261 ProTARDISLiberal
I like the Social Democratic model. Also, I value people over money.
What about people made out of money?
263 | sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:10:08am |
re: #258 Feline Fearless Leader
How do you keep the pigeons and sparrows from nesting in those and crapping all over the panels though?
hire cats
264 | Carlos Danger Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:10:31am |
re: #254 Political Atheist
I saw some pictures of solar panels over parking lots in California. That looked pretty cool (for the cars too).
265 | Feline Fearless Leader Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:11:03am |
re: #263 sattv4u2
hire cats
Won’t cat hair all over the panels interfere with their efficiency? Not to mention them napping on the horizontally mounted panels.
266 | Gus Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:11:17am |
re: #249 ProTARDISLiberal
I think we need to nationalize power companies. Without profit being the bottom line, we should be able to think farther ahead.
Thought about that. Utilities however are tied in with energy companies so it’s hard to escape the profit motive. A nationalized model would still have to remain profitable if we are to expect any innovations, modernizations, etc. Otherwise, if there’s zero gain then things would begin to deteriorate.
267 | Decatur Deb Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:11:23am |
268 | sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:11:33am |
re: #262 Feline Fearless Leader
What about people made out of money?
They get real soggy in the rain
269 | Feline Fearless Leader Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:12:17am |
re: #268 sattv4u2
They get real soggy in the rain
Another reason to replace the $1 bill with a coin - and stick to it for once.
270 | Political Atheist Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:12:22am |
re: #245 Decatur Deb
“Get these numbers up before the next quarterly report. Fuck next year and your grandkids.”
Also the free market way.
When sales with profits were king, rather than stock values, not as much. Stocks are so volatile compared to annualized performance. When CEO’s got big salaries they paid big taxes from a high place on the tax chart. When they get stocks instead the perspective shortens and shortens, and then stock holders amplify it, and product quality and sales can suffer despite short term profit gains.
Maybe we should end stock compensation via increased taxes. Pay them in real taxable dollars like actors and athletes. Or course that salary envy thing would have to be tamed a bit to get that to pass.
271 | b_sharp Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:12:28am |
re: #254 Political Atheist
That’s “best” but after taking a hard look for that facility I mentioned up thread the numbers at our latitude (34 N.) make more sense for simple south facing fixed installation. Partly involved in that is bracing against severe winds. Adds a lot of complexity in design and control. Adds a lot of weight too. I saw a program where a kid worked out a far better configuration. It’s lots of small panels arranged vertical and horizontal. Like trees. Man nature has done so much engineering for us and we just miss it.
Up here (51 N.) fixed works during the summer, but tracking racks work best in winter. Our seasons vary much more than yours. I like that kid’s idea, it would probably work well here. Nature has had a very long time to use trial and error.
272 | sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:12:50am |
re: #265 Feline Fearless Leader
Won’t cat hair all over the panels interfere with their efficiency? Not to mention them napping on the horizontally mounted panels.
Thats what the dogs are for,, to chase a away the cats
273 | sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:13:28am |
re: #269 Feline Fearless Leader
Another reason to replace the $1 bill with a coin - and stick to it for once.
Then you’ll be complaining about how heavy those people are!!!
274 | b_sharp Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:13:31am |
re: #258 Feline Fearless Leader
How do you keep the pigeons and sparrows from nesting in those and crapping all over the panels though?
Hawks and falcons.
276 | Decatur Deb Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:13:42am |
re: #271 b_sharp
Up here (51 N.) fixed works during the summer, but tracking racks work best in winter. Our seasons vary much more than yours. I like that kid’s idea, it would probably work well here. Nature has had a very long time to use trial and error.
Almost 6000 years.
277 | Feline Fearless Leader Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:13:48am |
re: #272 sattv4u2
Thats what the dogs are for,, to chase a away the cats
And then we send in the police to shoot the dogs - and the cycle begins anew.
278 | Carlos Danger Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:14:17am |
Sometimes I think we’re all special interests who somehow cancel each other out.
It’s Zen man
279 | sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:14:41am |
re: #278 Carlos Danger
Sometimes I think we’re all special interests who somehow cancel each other out.It’s Zen man
:)
280 | Decatur Deb Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:15:04am |
re: #277 Feline Fearless Leader
And then we send in the police to shoot the dogs - and the cycle begins anew.
And Texans to shoot the schoolkids.
281 | Targetpractice Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:15:15am |
282 | b_sharp Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:15:40am |
re: #272 sattv4u2
Thats what the dogs are for,, to chase a away the cats
Let me know when it’s time for the elephants.
284 | sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:16:42am |
re: #282 b_sharp
Let me know when it’s time for the elephants.
send in the mice!!
AND ,, we’re back to the cats
285 | Feline Fearless Leader Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:16:55am |
re: #282 b_sharp
Let me know when it’s time for the elephants.
We already have the rock that keeps them away, or is that for the tigers?
286 | Gus Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:17:26am |
“But this city is not two groups, and if to some extent it is, it’s one group paying for services for the other.” - Mike Bloomberg. WTF?— Jason Kirell (@jaykirell) September 7, 2013
287 | Gus Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:18:12am |
Apparently Bloomberg is letting it all hang out now.
288 | Feline Fearless Leader Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:18:15am |
re: #286 Gus
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Now there is a statement that need a whole lotta additional context.
289 | Gus Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:18:41am |
re: #288 Feline Fearless Leader
Now there is a statement that need a whole lotta additional context.
Looking.
291 | Amory Blaine Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:21:24am |
Free market middle men suck up cost saving incentives on the consumer end. Like with oil. Geologists and other industry experts are produced in government subsidized universities and primary schools. The drilling takes place mainly on public lands. WTF do we need an energy CEO for?
292 | Carlos Danger Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:21:47am |
re: #289 Gus
Looking.
It’s derived from De Blasio’s “two cities” rhetoric.
Mayor Bloomberg: Bill de Blasio’s campaign is ‘racist’
But de Blasio, himself, is not one, says Mike Bloomberg, who also thinks the campaign is wrong in other ways. ‘Tearing people apart with this ‘two cities’ thing doesn’t make any sense to me. It’s a destructive strategy for those you want to help the most,’ says Hizzoner.
293 | Gus Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:21:53am |
re: #288 Feline Fearless Leader
Now there is a statement that need a whole lotta additional context.
OK, he didn’t say that. Found it here:
In Conversation: Michael Bloomberg
But his whole campaign is that there are two different cities here. And I’ve never liked that kind of division. The way to help those who are less fortunate is, number one, to attract more very fortunate people. They are the ones that pay the bills. The people that would get very badly hurt here if you drive out the very wealthy are the people he professes to try to help. Tearing people apart with this “two cities” thing doesn’t make any sense to me. It’s a destructive strategy for those you want to help the most. He’s a very populist, very left-wing guy, but this city is not two groups, and if to some extent it is, it’s one group paying for services for the other.
295 | Carlos Danger Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:24:09am |
That “two cities” line is giving me an Edwards flashback…
296 | ProTARDISLiberal Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:25:00am |
re: #293 Gus
Not a huge deal better.
And New York has a horrifically wide gap, income-wise. How much attention does the Bronx get?
Though, to be fair, the Bronx got the last laugh during Sandy. Protected by the rest of NYC and Long Island, they made it out almost completely unscathed.
Bloomberg is out of touch. He doesn’t give a damn about the poor.
298 | Decatur Deb Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:25:29am |
re: #291 Amory Blaine
Free market middle men suck up cost saving incentives on the consumer end. Like with oil. Geologists and other industry experts are produced in government subsidized universities and primary schools. The drilling takes place mainly on public lands. WTF do we need an energy CEO for?
Those PAC checks aren’t going to write themselves.
299 | Feline Fearless Leader Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:25:33am |
re: #293 Gus
OK, he didn’t say that. Found it here:
I somehow doubt, even then, that the “very fortunate” are really that key to the NYC tax base. Especially compared to the middle class denizens of the city.
The statement itself could also be taken as a claim that the city residents absorb a heavy services burden to cover non-residents that commute into the city for their jobs and are not charged taxes/fees in proper relation to those services.
300 | Gus Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:26:26am |
“[H]is whole campaign is that there are two different cities here,” said Mr. Bloomberg. “And I’ve never liked that kind of division … The people that would get very badly hurt here if you drive out the very wealthy are the people he professes to try to help. Tearing people apart with this ‘two cities’ thing doesn’t make any sense to me. It’s a destructive strategy for those you want to help the most. He’s a very populist, very left-wing guy, but this city is not two groups, and if to some extent it is, it’s one group paying for services for the other.”
301 | ProTARDISLiberal Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:26:31am |
re: #293 Gus
Also, I would guess that Bloomberg is for lower taxes, so we don’t even get money from the “more fortunate.”
He just wants a rich boys club, surrounded by the poor who work for them for crumbs.
303 | Decatur Deb Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:27:54am |
re: #299 Feline Fearless Leader
I somehow doubt, even then, that the “very fortunate” are really that key to the NYC tax base. Especially compared to the middle class denizens of the city.
The statement itself could also be taken as a claim that the city residents absorb a heavy services burden to cover non-residents that commute into the city for their jobs and are not charged taxes/fees in proper relation to those services.
Yes—the Day City/Night City meme is nicer than the Rich City/Poor City.
304 | Feline Fearless Leader Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:31:10am |
re: #303 Decatur Deb
Yes—the Day City/Night City meme is nicer than the Rich City/Poor City.
It’s more likely the latter meme. It’s just that the one sentence unto itself lacked sufficient context to really allow you to connect it to a particular meme since you could split the NYC occupants into “two cities” along a multitude of categories.
It’s a really, really, bad tweet as a result.
305 | Carlos Danger Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:31:46am |
re: #303 Decatur Deb
Yes—the Day City/Night City meme is nicer than the Rich City/Poor City.
And it also sounds like a Joe Jackson album…
306 | Decatur Deb Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:32:32am |
re: #304 Feline Fearless Leader
It’s more likely the latter meme. It’s just that the one sentence unto itself lacked sufficient context to really allow you to connect it to a particular meme since you could split the NYC occupants into “two cities” along a multitude of categories.
Mets/Yankees, or in my case Yankees/Dodgers.
307 | Feline Fearless Leader Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:33:28am |
re: #306 Decatur Deb
Mets/Yankees, or in my case Yankees/Dodgers.
They’re still bums even after moving to California?
:)
308 | Pavlovian Hive Mind Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:36:19am |
309 | Gus Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:36:37am |
I went to page 2. Here’s the 1st page.
In Conversation: Michael Bloomberg
The mayor has harsh words for Bill de Blasio, rebuts the charge that he’s in the tank for the wealthy, questions just how poor the poor really are, and considers (for the first time) what he might like named after him.
311 | Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:38:30am |
All this nuance might eventually lead to a strongly worded letter.
EU blames Assad for chemical attack in nuanced message
313 | Decatur Deb Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:38:55am |
re: #308 Pavlovian Hive Mind
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314 | Gus Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:39:37am |
Oy…he started in politics with David Dinkins… no comment.
315 | sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:40:38am |
re: #309 Gus
and considers (for the first time) what he might like named after him.
Guess he forgot about the TV service that bears the family name,,,and the radio outlets ,, and the ,,,,,,
316 | Gus Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:40:56am |
317 | sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:41:35am |
re: #311 Killgore Trout
All this nuance might eventually lead to a strongly worded letter.
EU blames Assad for chemical attack in nuanced message
I hear that the EU is really upset this time though
They’re sending the letter,,,,POSTAGE DUE!!!
318 | Dr Lizardo Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:42:43am |
re: #311 Killgore Trout
All this nuance might eventually lead to a strongly worded letter.
EU blames Assad for chemical attack in nuanced message
Dear President Assad;
We, the European Union, find ourselves deeply vexed as it appears that you may have used chemical weapons recently. We insist that you immediately refrain from such naughtiness, or we shall be compelled to discuss the possibility of further diplomatic action against you and your government.
Respectfully yours,
The E.U.
319 | Gus Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:45:28am |
re: #318 Dr Lizardo
Dear President Assad;
We, the European Union, find ourselves deeply vexed as it appears that you may have used chemical weapons recently. We insist that you immediately refrain from such naughtiness, or we shall be compelled to discuss the possibility of further diplomatic action against you and your government.
Respectfully yours,
The E.U.
The Plenary Session of the United Nations Task Force on Sternly Worded Letters Announces their Meeting at a Special Session in Geneva Switzerland to Plan a Draft Letter to the Government of Syria
320 | ProTARDISLiberal Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:46:07am |
321 | sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:47:08am |
re: #319 Gus
The Plenary Session of the United Nations Task Force on Sternly Worded Letters Announces their Meeting at a Special Session in Geneva Switzerland to Plan a Draft Letter to the Government of Syria
NOTICE
The above mentioned meeting has been delayed so the committee can lunch at Switzerlands most exclusive restaurant
322 | Gus Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:48:01am |
re: #320 ProTARDISLiberal
He really is coming off as a massive dick in the interview.
Blasio or Bloomberg? Bloomberg’s always been a massive dick.
323 | Carlos Danger Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:49:16am |
That NyMag article has a link to this story:
Landlords Who Reap Millions From City Housing Homeless Bet Big on De Blasio
Maybe this is why Weiner is still polling 7%…
324 | Gus Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:50:17am |
re: #323 Carlos Danger
That NyMag article has a link to this story:
Landlords Who Reap Millions From City Housing Homeless Bet Big on De Blasio
Maybe this is why Weiner is still polling 7%…
Interesting headline.
326 | Carlos Danger Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:54:42am |
So that dude has connections with a bunch of felony prone corrupt slumlords. Man, I am totally getting the Edwards heebie jeebies again.
328 | FemNaziBitch Sat, Sep 7, 2013 10:59:02am |
Now, I see Madeleine Albright is pro-going to war with Syria.
I’m going to ignore the rest of the day.
bbl
329 | First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Sep 7, 2013 11:00:35am |
HOLY SHIT you guys, I just bought an album on line…
And next thing you know the company that owns the credit card I bought it with sent me an email saying words to the effect that “HEY MAN WE TOTALLY KNOW WHAT YOU JUST BOUGHT AND HERE ARE ALL THE INTRICATE DETAILS OF THE TRANSACTION AS PROOF” Oh god they know everything! And then I logged into my bank account and HOLY FUCK they know about all the times I’ve been to the grocery store and the liquor store and Home Depot! AND THEY KNOW MY EXACT ADDRESS! Holy shit Holy shit Holy shit Holy shit Holy shit Holy shit Holy shit Holy shit Holy shit Holy shit Holy shit Holy shit Holy shit Holy shit Holy shit Holy shit Holy shit Holy shit Holy shit Holy shit Holy shit Holy shit Holy shit Holy shit Holy shit Holy shit Holy shit
330 | chadu Sat, Sep 7, 2013 11:00:38am |
Guess who just emailed the WH with what it’s strategic goals should be?
(Me.)
331 | Gus Sat, Sep 7, 2013 11:01:28am |
ATT mobile conx. doing it’s best imitation of AOL dial-up 1992.
332 | sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 7, 2013 11:01:29am |
re: #328 FemNaziBitch
Now, I see Madeleine Albright is pro-going to war with Syria.
I’m going to ignore the rest of the day.
bbl
Just as RWNJ’s have a knee jerk reaction that they must oppose the President at every turn, some Lefties have the same instinct to back him no matter what
333 | ObserverArt Sat, Sep 7, 2013 11:03:21am |
re: #249 ProTARDISLiberal
I think we need to nationalize power companies. Without profit being the bottom line, we should be able to think farther ahead.
Look out your window. Do you see anything that looks like a plain white van with a small Koch Industries logo on it. They may be watching you.
/
334 | Decatur Deb Sat, Sep 7, 2013 11:04:52am |
re: #330 chadu
Guess who just emailed the WH with what it’s strategic goals should be?
(Me.)
Is it francis’ day off?
335 | Gus Sat, Sep 7, 2013 11:06:43am |
re: #332 sattv4u2
Just as RWNJ’s have a knee jerk reaction that they must oppose the President at every turn, some Lefties have the same instinct to back him no matter their what
Albright was SoS during the Bosnian and Kosovo wars. Not really a surprise to see her take this stance.
336 | Gus Sat, Sep 7, 2013 11:07:20am |
This is New York City, Fulton & South Streets, this month 1941, just before US entered WW2: #Cushman pic.twitter.com/bGyo10Bw0o— Michael Beschloss (@BeschlossDC) September 7, 2013
337 | chadu Sat, Sep 7, 2013 11:07:23am |
re: #85 Dr Lizardo
“50 Shades” is dreck. It’s the Marquis de Sade for the suburban soccer-mom set without the extreme and violent misogyny of de Sade. Or frankly, his borderline insanity.
“Borderline”? You are kind.
338 | sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 7, 2013 11:07:27am |
re: #330 chadu
Guess who just emailed the WH with what it’s strategic goals should be?
(Me.)
Guess whose e-mail got filed in the Junk e-mail folder !?!?!
/
341 | First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Sep 7, 2013 11:13:33am |
re: #331 Gus
ATT mobile conx. doing it’s best imitation of AOL dial-up 1992.
Thoroughly pleased with T-Mobile here. I was on AT&T for 5-6 years and never had any problems until I tried to cancel the service. I kept getting bills for over a year after I had canceled my AT&T service. Even after they straightened it out and realized I was no longer a customer, I still got bills for $0.00, and I even got anoverdue notice for not paying my outstanding balance of $0.00.
I never paid it.
TO THIS DAY, I OWE AT&T AN OUTSTANDING OVERDUE BALANCE OF $0.00, WHICH I INTEND NEVER TO PAY!! And I also tore off my mattress tag. Fuck tha police!
342 | NJDhockeyfan Sat, Sep 7, 2013 11:16:07am |
CNN has obtained videos from Syria shown in a classified briefing to the Senate Intelligence Committee on Thursday — tune in— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) September 7, 2013
343 | Amory Blaine Sat, Sep 7, 2013 11:16:25am |
re: #309 Gus
I went to page 2. Here’s the 1st page.
In Conversation: Michael Bloomberg
The mayor has harsh words for Bill de Blasio, rebuts the charge that he’s in the tank for the wealthy, questions just how poor the poor really are, and considers (for the first time) what he might like named after him.
Looks like satan is pulling him by his leash.
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344 | sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 7, 2013 11:16:38am |
re: #335 Gus
Albright was SoS during the Bosnian and Kosovo wars. Not really a surprise to see her take this stance.
Making a larger point
I think it explains why there are so many “undecided” when it comes to action against Syria
Their instinct is that they do not want the USA involved, but otoh they want to support “their’ guy
345 | chadu Sat, Sep 7, 2013 11:17:25am |
re: #334 Decatur Deb
Hey, I paged what I thought over on the right-hand side bar.
346 | Political Atheist Sat, Sep 7, 2013 11:17:35am |
If I could ask a little favor? I’m doing some research for a formal paper. This won’t Google well at all. Some of you bought white gold somewhere along the line. Did the jeweler mention rhodium plating at all? Did you have trouble with it? Nic is blue for responses. All will be held confidential. No budget but all responders will have a “friend in the biz” for future reference. Thanks for any consideration.
347 | Amory Blaine Sat, Sep 7, 2013 11:18:20am |
Next he will say that the rich really aren’t rich.
348 | Gus Sat, Sep 7, 2013 11:18:27am |
re: #344 sattv4u2
Making a larger point
I think it explains why there are so many “undecided” when it comes to action against Syria
Their instinct is that they do not want the USA involved, but otoh they want to support “their’ guy
I’ve seen this argued on Twitter and elsewhere. I honestly don’t care about other people’s motivations to support. There seems to be a majority of support against taking action in the House including a lot of Democrats.
349 | Pavlovian Hive Mind Sat, Sep 7, 2013 11:18:41am |
re: #344 sattv4u2
Making a larger point
I think it explains why there are so many “undecided” when it comes to action against Syria
Their instinct is that they do not want the USA involved, but otoh they want to support “their’ guy
Nope, it’s much simpler than that.
So many see Syria as Iraq.
350 | chadu Sat, Sep 7, 2013 11:18:45am |
351 | Decatur Deb Sat, Sep 7, 2013 11:19:14am |
re: #345 chadu
Hey, I paged what I thought over on the right-hand side bar.
No civic deed goes unpunished.
352 | sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 7, 2013 11:19:22am |
re: #349 Pavlovian Hive Mind
Nope, it’s much simpler than that.
So many see Syria as Iraq.
Then why “undecided”?
Those that do (your point) would say NO in a poll
353 | Gus Sat, Sep 7, 2013 11:19:58am |
re: #349 Pavlovian Hive Mind
Nope, it’s much simpler than that.
So many see Syria as Iraq.
I think everyone must have missed the Libya thing. They’re all unique of course.
354 | Decatur Deb Sat, Sep 7, 2013 11:20:22am |
re: #352 sattv4u2
Then why “undecided”?
Those that do (your point) would say NO in a poll
Unless they’re still undecided about Iraq.
355 | Amory Blaine Sat, Sep 7, 2013 11:20:53am |
Poverty in this country should parallel the trajectory of the rich in this country. Period.
357 | Stanley Sea Sat, Sep 7, 2013 11:21:30am |
re: #346 Political Atheist
Nic went to one of your pages. Not email.
358 | chadu Sat, Sep 7, 2013 11:21:32am |
re: #346 Political Atheist
White gold wedding ring; rhodium never mentioned. Ring sold back for about 65% of the initial price, post-divorce.
360 | sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 7, 2013 11:22:27am |
361 | chadu Sat, Sep 7, 2013 11:23:16am |
362 | Decatur Deb Sat, Sep 7, 2013 11:24:28am |
re: #346 Political Atheist
Silver weddings rings count? They’re white. (10 bucks each from a couple hippie jewelers in the Village.)
363 | Stanley Sea Sat, Sep 7, 2013 11:24:35am |
re: #346 Political Atheist
If I could ask a little favor? I’m doing some research for a formal paper. This won’t Google well at all. Some of you bought white gold somewhere along the line. Did the jeweler mention rhodium plating at all? Did you have trouble with it? Nic is blue for responses. All will be held confidential. No budget but all responders will have a “friend in the biz” for future reference. Thanks for any consideration.
Same as chadu white gold wedding ring, didn’t see benefit of spending extra $ on platinum to match the engagement ring. Rhodium never mentioned. It yellowed a little bit, but nothing bad. And yeah, sold for way less at divorce.
364 | Political Atheist Sat, Sep 7, 2013 11:26:55am |
365 | PhillyPretzel Sat, Sep 7, 2013 11:28:21am |
re: #346 Political Atheist
Did not buy white gold wedding band but kid sister had to have white gold hoop earrings. They did “tarnish” and she sold them. I do not know how much she got for them. I was told it was nickel that made them white.
366 | Political Atheist Sat, Sep 7, 2013 11:29:49am |
367 | Stanley Sea Sat, Sep 7, 2013 11:32:07am |
368 | Political Atheist Sat, Sep 7, 2013 11:32:17am |
re: #365 PhillyPretzel
Yeah the way white gold works is it’s either added nickel or palladium in the alloy. Then often enough rhodium over the top. Which technically adds another valuable metal. But there is a growing controversy in the trade and I’m in as an adviser to manufacturers and others. So I am writing a white paper on white gold.
369 | klys Sat, Sep 7, 2013 11:32:28am |
re: #346 Political Atheist
If I could ask a little favor? I’m doing some research for a formal paper. This won’t Google well at all. Some of you bought white gold somewhere along the line. Did the jeweler mention rhodium plating at all? Did you have trouble with it? Nic is blue for responses. All will be held confidential. No budget but all responders will have a “friend in the biz” for future reference. Thanks for any consideration.
Did rhodium plating on a set of necklace charms that came in yellow gold where we wanted white, about …16 years ago? As a present for a friend from two of us (big sis, sis, lil sis). It’s held up pretty well - maybe starting to wear a little bit on the back of mine, but it was smooth there and the charm was worn every day for quite some time. I can check if needed.
All three together last year. My friend who held the “lil sis” piece died in a car accident my senior year of high school, so the charms have been pretty significant for us. I hold her piece and mine, and the last one is with the original reason we got the set.
370 | Political Atheist Sat, Sep 7, 2013 11:35:07am |
re: #369 klys
That’s really cool. Honest deep sentiment is what that kind of gift is great for. Love it.
371 | klys Sat, Sep 7, 2013 11:37:54am |
re: #370 Political Atheist
That’s really cool. Honest deep sentiment is what that kind of gift is great for. Love it.
It helped to have something to hold onto, afterwards. She and I went in on it together and since we really wanted white gold and the charm only came in yellow the jeweler had it rhodium plated for us. I don’t remember how much, but it didn’t break the bank (remember, two high school students here, buying three chains and the charms).
The photo there is from the wedding of our third friend. I carried Carrie’s and mine with me in my wedding bouquet but didn’t have any good photos of just the charms so went for the one that I took.
372 | Political Atheist Sat, Sep 7, 2013 11:44:20am |
re: #363 Stanley Sea
Sorry to hear about a divorce. Gold scrap value is a long way down from full or even discounted retail. Even wholesale. I cringe when people think of jewelry as an investment. But compare scrap silver or gold to say an old cell phone at zero value and as a landfill liability, that’s not so bad. Maybe.
373 | Political Atheist Sat, Sep 7, 2013 11:45:57am |
re: #367 Stanley Sea
I responded here, not much info, but what it is!
Thank you. When this shakes out consumers will be ahead if perhaps in a small way.
374 | Stanley Sea Sat, Sep 7, 2013 11:46:05am |
re: #372 Political Atheist
Sorry to hear about a divorce. Gold scrap value is a long way down from full or even discounted retail. Even wholesale. I cringe when people think of jewelry as an investment. But compare scrap silver or gold to say an old cell phone at zero value and as a landfill liability, that’s not so bad. Maybe.
It was really pretty while it lasted!