Public Opinion Toward Tea Party Hits Low Point

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The Tea Party’s standing with Americans is at its lowest point since the movement took shape in 2010, according to a Pew Research Center poll released Wednesday.

The survey, conducted from Oct. 9-13, reports that nearly half (49 percent) of the public now view the Tea Party unfavorably, compared with 30 percent who view it favorably. Since February 2010, when Pew first began gauging opinion on the Tea Party, unfavorable views have nearly doubled, and the number of “very unfavorable” views has tripled.

In June, when Pew last polled on the Tea Party and before the latest Washington budget battle fully ratcheted up, 45 percent said they held an unfavorable view of the Tea Party, while 37 percent reported they had a favorable view.

Michael Dimock, the director of the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press, told All Things Considered host Audie Cornish that one of the issues is that people don’t really know what the Tea Party is about.

“There’s not really a consensus about what the Tea Party is, whether it’s kind of an outside group trying to steer policy or whether it’s working within the Republican Party itself,” Dimock says.

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1 BusyMonster  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:08:32am

The best part is for all this, they got NOTHING they wanted.

That really feels good. Schadenfreude indeed. Ya sons of bitches got NOTHING.

2 brennant  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:24:51am

‘We’re Going To Start This All Over Again’

3 b.d.  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:26:12am

It’s because they’re a bunch of quitters.

/

4 makeitstop  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:27:13am

re: #2 brennant

‘We’re Going To Start This All Over Again’

Can you imagine what that will do to their numbers?

Please proceed, Teahadis.

5 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:27:55am

Delicious butthurt on the #teaparty hashtag

6 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:28:40am

re: #2 brennant

‘We’re Going To Start This All Over Again’

By all means, Teahadis, feel free. Perhaps you’ll finally achieve single-digit popularity/support numbers.

7 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:28:44am
8 b.d.  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:29:10am

re: #5 Vicious Babushka

Delicious butthurt on the #teaparty hashtag

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I turned on AM radio this mornnig and my jaw dropped. These morons learn nothing, they just get madder.

9 Kragar  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:29:32am
10 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:29:57am

re: #5 Vicious Babushka

Delicious butthurt on the #teaparty hashtag

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Heh.

Youtube Video

h/t to D_F for that entertaining little clip.

11 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:30:24am

These idiots still do not understand what the Debt Ceiling means.

12 elizajane  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:30:40am

Yeah, well, the TP got exactly nothing that it wanted out of this deal, while Mitch McConnell got a $2 billion earmark for a Kentucky dam.
So the old guard are not as hapless as Cruz would like to think. Just, in the end, a lot more silent and savvy.

13 EPR-radar  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:31:10am

re: #6 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla

By all means, Teahadis, feel free. Perhaps you’ll finally achieve single-digit popularity/support numbers.

Not going to happen. Realistically, they can’t fall much lower in favorability because the US really does have about 25% or so of dead-enders on most political issues.

14 elizajane  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:31:38am

re: #7 Vicious Babushka

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It TAUGHT them that? That is exactly what they already thought! What it TAUGHT them was nada, zip, zilch.

15 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:32:43am

DELUSIONAL

16 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:32:46am

re: #13 EPR-radar

Not going to happen. Realistically, they can’t fall much lower in favorability because the US really does have about 25% or so of dead-enders on most political issues.

Oh, I know; I think the TP’ers absolute minimum is 20% - 22% or so.

17 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:33:16am

re: #12 elizajane

Yeah, well, the TP got exactly nothing that it wanted out of this deal, while Mitch McConnell got a $2 billion earmark for a Kentucky dam.
So the old guard are not as hapless as Cruz would like to think. Just, in the end, a lot more silent and savvy.

Clever like a fox. One reason McConnell has occupied the Senate so long is his masterful pork-barrel-fu. Young Cruz is a steam-powered piledriver, while old McConnell is a laser cutter.

18 piratedan  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:33:57am

re: #11 Vicious Babushka

These idiots still do not understand what the Debt Ceiling means.

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well I would assume my child would behave like Donald Trump, declare Bankruptcy and keep all of their stuff……. just like a good GOPper would do…. but I suspect that I you would like them to make their payments on time and not quit their job so they could repay their debt, right? Just like the government did last night…. christ they really are obtuse aren’t they?

19 EPR-radar  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:34:56am

re: #16 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla

Oh, I know; I think the TP’ers absolute minimum is 20% - 22% or so.

The more likely place for the poll numbers to move is the unfavorables. Most of the 20% undecided in this poll could end up viewing the tea party unfavorably if they keep up with this nonsense.

20 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:35:07am

So, how soon until they re-brand themselves as something like “Gadsenites”? It has worked so well for the GOP itself in the last couple of years. The message and policies can’t be wrong, so the resistance and lack of acceptance of the natural way of things must be due to what we’re calling it!
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21 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:37:40am

re: #19 EPR-radar

The more likely place for the poll numbers to move is the unfavorables. Most of the 20% undecided in this poll could end up viewing the tea party unfavorably if they keep up with this nonsense.

A couple of days ago, if I remember right, even Pat Robertson told the TP’ers to back off; that they would end up causing serious harm to the economy if they persisted in their intransigence.

When you lose Pat Robertson, well……..what more can you say?

22 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:39:55am

Sensible people would draw the conclusion that the Tea Party, and by extension the Religious Right, are just never gonna be popular in the USA. They’re fighting a losing battle, and they just don’t know it.

23 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:40:53am

It’s simple to see why they’re disliked. They’re fanatical assholes who don’t understand how government works and they think tantrum throwing is a way of governing.

24 kerFuFFler  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:41:10am

re: #2 brennant

‘We’re Going To Start This All Over Again’

Please say that nice and loud so everyone can hear you!

Everybody listening?

25 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:41:32am

#TeaParty is calling to vote out the “RINO”s

Please proceed TeaParty. :)

26 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:41:42am

How about two snakes coming together over a black sun? A magnificent standard!

;)

27 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:42:04am

re: #11 Vicious Babushka

What does it mean? You still owe everything that you rang up on your credit - plus interest and fees. Cutting up the credit cards doesn’t eliminate your debt or obligations. Those are going to continue piling up.

Refusing to increase the debt ceiling isn’t quite the same as cutting up the credit cards, but it’s close.

These people don’t get that Congress appropriates how much to spend. They agreed to these expenditures. They now want to welch on their obligations.

But more to the point, when directly asked what specific programs can or should be cut, they don’t know.

They say Interior Department, and then remind them that the NPS is part, you get blank stares.

They say HHS, and then that would include the National Cancer Institute, CDC, and FDA.

They say Energy Department, and that includes work that carries over to the Defense Department (national labs).

NASA? Same thing.

Education Department? Tough to do when their job is to essentially oversee transfer payments to states to fund education.

Etc.

28 kerFuFFler  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:42:28am

re: #22 wheat-dogghazi

Sensible people would draw the conclusion that the Tea Party, and by extension the Religious Right, are just never gonna be popular in the USA. They’re fighting a losing battle, and they just don’t know it.

Everybody they know thinks just like they do. So they MUST be the majority!!! //

29 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:43:33am

Honestly within five years, the Tea Party will be a punch line(always has been with me) with the vast majority of the American public. Hey, remember those guys who dressed up in colonial garb and thought only they understood the Constitution and how ACA was going to ruin America? They should be happy that they even had some influence because in a more saner world, they would have been laughed at for the fanatics they are.

30 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:43:56am

re: #26 Feline Fearless Leader

How about two snakes coming together over a black sun? A magnificent standard!

;)

Like this?

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Upding for the Thulsa Doom reference. Yes, the TP’ers really are an apocalyptic cult.

31 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:43:59am

re: #27 lawhawk

Not to mention wanting HHS to do their desired instantaneous check of eligibility for ACA subsidies.

32 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:44:44am

This Ed Klein raving nutcake with his “Valerie Jarrett” conspiracy shit is getting a lot of mileage, apparently he’s been promoted by Fox News or some other popular RWNJ media?

33 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:45:03am

re: #30 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla

Like this?

Image: il_570xN.432434307_iyvz.jpg

Upding for the Thulsa Doom reference. Yes, the TP’ers really are an apocalyptic cult.

That quip is a Subotai quote from the movie when they were looking for Doom. Right before they bought the black lotus.

34 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:45:20am

re: #29 HappyWarrior

Honestly within five years, the Tea Party will be a punch line(always has been with me) with the vast majority of the American public. Hey, remember those guys who dressed up in colonial garb and thought only they understood the Constitution and how ACA was going to ruin America? They should be happy that they even had some influence because in a more saner world, they would have been laughed at for the fanatics they are.

The guys with the tea bags dangling off their tricornered-hats were the perfect symbol of the party — buffoons.

35 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:46:08am

Anyhow on my trip to D.C last night, I read the Esquire article about the new American center. The TP just refuses to get that their views are incompatible with much of American society. I admit as a so called bleeding heart, a lot of my views are too but the difference between I’d say your average American liberal than your average American conservative(TP sympathizer) is the former is more pragmatic. I’ve seen progress made the past five years on issues I never thought possible.

36 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:46:23am

re: #27 lawhawk

But more to the point, when directly asked what specific programs can or should be cut, they don’t know.

HURR HURR ABOLISH THEM ALL & LET PRIVATE ENTERPRISE TAKE OVER!!!1!!!!!!

Because that has always worked out so well. //

37 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:46:53am

re: #23 HappyWarrior

It’s simple to see why they’re disliked. They’re fanatical assholes who don’t understand how government works and they think tantrum throwing is a way of governing.

Governance by haranguing. Much like attending church for most of them, I suspect.

38 piratedan  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:47:30am

re: #32 Vicious Babushka

This Ed Klein raving nutcake with his “Valerie Jarrett” conspiracy shit is getting a lot of mileage, apparently he’s been promoted by Fox News or some other popular RWNJ media?

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well maybe, just maybe it could be that today’s GOP is easy to read, as they appear to have all the subtlety of a flying mallet through a window.

39 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:47:51am

re: #37 wheat-dogghazi

Governance by haranguing. Much like attending church for most of them, I suspect.

And hard to make shunning effective when you don’t have an overwhelming majority take part in the practice and agree on the targets.

40 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:47:55am

Again, we have to recall the central image of the Tea Party: armed uprising against a tyrant.

Who is the tyrant here?

It would be the American people, who freely and fairly elected the government that is currently in place.

And what do we call a person who is in armed rebellion against the American people?

41 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:48:21am

re: #40 Sol Berdinowitz

Again, we have to recall the central image of the Tea Party: armed uprising against a tyrant.

Who is the tyrant here?

It would be the American people, who freely and fairly elected the government that is currently in place.

And what do we call a person who is in armed rebellion against the American people?

Wolverines!
;)

42 kerFuFFler  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:48:25am

re: #32 Vicious Babushka

This Ed Klein raving nutcake with his “Valerie Jarrett” conspiracy shit is getting a lot of mileage, apparently he’s been promoted by Fox News or some other popular RWNJ media?

“Despite his LIES, OBAMA and Valery planned the whole shutdown.”

Yeah, like Rove said, he tricked them into it! Cunning bastard. //

43 RadicalModerate  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:48:29am

Tea Party grandstanding in a nutshell:

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44 erik_t  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:49:12am

re: #34 wheat-dogghazi

The guys with the tea bags dangling off their tricornered-hats were the perfect symbol of the party — buffoons.

It’s really just a self-selecting and self-identifying group of people who don’t understand how government works, just like the Las Vegas Strip is a self-selecting and self-identifying group of people who don’t understand how math works.

(Well, Vegas has stuff to see. Maybe, uh… Reno.)

45 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:49:27am

re: #40 Sol Berdinowitz

Again, we have to recall the central image of the Tea Party: armed uprising against a tyrant.

Who is the tyrant here?

It would be the American people, who freely and fairly elected the government that is currently in place.

And what do we call a person who is in armed rebellion against the American people?

HURR HURR HITLER!!!!1!!!!

46 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:49:41am

re: #35 HappyWarrior

Anyhow on my trip to D.C last night, I read the Esquire article about the new American center. The TP just refuses to get that their views are incompatible with much of American society. I admit as a so called bleeding heart, a lot of my views are too but the difference between I’d say your average American liberal than your average American conservative(TP sympathizer) is the former is more pragmatic. I’ve seen progress made the past five years on issues I never thought possible.

It’s not so much that they refuse to admit their views are out-of-touch, it’s that the cocoon they inhabit constantly reinforces their views and allows them to persist in the illusion that their outlandish views are perfectly sensible and representative of mainstream public opinion. They have convinced themselves of this.

47 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:50:50am

re: #31 Feline Fearless Leader

Instantaneous income verification - a standard that the private sector has been searching for for decades, and which can only be accomplished not by HHS, but by the IRS (in most cases).

The IRS is already doing income verification for the ACA. This added requirement is another layer of paperwork obligations on the individuals and doesn’t diminish the fact that the IRS still has clawback powers to recover subsidies given when income doesn’t meet the requirements.

The income verification is a problem for self-employed people - those with the biggest variations in income from year to year and whose income can vary within a year as well. It also happens to be the group that gets helped the most from having health exchanges.

Figures.

48 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:51:29am

Democracy requires consensus.

If we have a large bloc of people who refuse to accept the results of free and fair elections and who refuse to recognize laws that are passed by Congress, signed by the President and upheld by the Supreme Court, then we can no longer function as a modern democracy.

49 Dr. Matt  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:51:46am

But, but, but Booker only won by 11 pts! THIS IS BAD NEWS FOR THE DEMS!!!!!

50 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:53:01am

re: #47 lawhawk

Instantaneous income verification - a standard that the private sector has been searching for for decades, and which can only be accomplished not by HHS, but by the IRS (in most cases).

The IRS is already doing income verification for the ACA. This added requirement is another layer of paperwork obligations on the individuals and doesn’t diminish the fact that the IRS still has clawback powers to recover subsidies given when income doesn’t meet the requirements.

The income verification is a problem for self-employed people - those with the biggest variations in income from year to year and whose income can vary within a year as well. It also happens to be the group that gets helped the most from having health exchanges.

Figures.

It’s the next step in the GOP strategy. Start tossing roadblocks in the way so that they can attempt to say that the ACA has failed in the upcoming election cycle. They count on (generally correctly) that the voters listen to the spin and do not do any research in how things arrived at the point they are at.

51 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:53:01am

re: #46 Dr Lizardo, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla

It’s not so much that they refuse to admit their views are out-of-touch, it’s that the cocoon they inhabit constantly reinforces their views and allows them to persist in the illusion that their outlandish views are perfectly sensible and representative of mainstream public opinion. They have convinced themselves of this.

Another part of it is that they are convinced they have The Truth, and the rest of the population are but deluded sheeple who only need to see The Truth and be led along the One True Path.

Moses, Jesus and Muhammad could tell them how easy THAT is.

52 Dr. Matt  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:53:06am

re: #45 Vicious Babushka

USMC_Nightmare, aka Greg W, Howard, rode a desk for 4 years in the Corps. Fucking goofball.

53 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:53:58am

re: #52 Dr. Matt

USMC_Nightmare, aka Greg W, Howard, rode a desk for 4 years in the Corps. Fucking goofball.

I blocked Greg W Howard. Did he get Twittergulaged, and come back with a new avatar?

54 RadicalModerate  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:54:36am

re: #45 Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR HITLER!!!!1!!!!

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Yeah, after all, it is Obama who wants to round up gays, liberals, women, and non-whites, and deny them their rights of citizenship, who has identified one religion as a group who should be wiped from the face of the earth, has members of his party in organized violent militias, and has an ultra-nationialistic view of immigration.

Oh wait.

55 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:54:58am

re: #51 wheat-dogghazi

Another part of it is that they are convinced they have The Truth, and the rest of the population are but deluded sheeple who only need to see The Truth and be led along the One True Path.

Moses, Jesus and Muhammad could tell them how easy THAT is.

Heh.

56 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:55:16am


57 Dr. Matt  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:55:33am

re: #53 Vicious Babushka

I blocked Greg W Howard. Did he get Twittergulaged, and come back with a new avatar?

I’m not sure actually. Not sure the history. I follow a bunch of people that spend every waking moment hilariously harassing Greg/Nightmare. It’s quite amusing.

58 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:56:55am

re: #57 Dr. Matt

I’m not sure actually. Not sure the history. I follow a bunch of people that spend every waking moment hilariously harassing Greg/Nightmare. It’s quite amusing.

I think it’s lame, and I also think the targets enjoy all the attention.

59 Skip Intro  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:57:22am

Here’s what the Tea Turds accomplished.

Government Shutdown Cost $24 Billion, Standard & Poor’s Says

huffingtonpost.com

That’s what fiscal responsibility, Tea Turd style, looks like.

60 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:57:41am

re: #59 Skip Intro

Here’s what the Tea Turds accomplished.

Government Shutdown Cost $24 Billion, Standard & Poor’s Says

huffingtonpost.com

That’s what fiscal responsibility, Tea Turd style, looks like.

fiscal conservatism//

61 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:58:08am

re: #56 Vicious Babushka

Amanda Carpenter @amandacarpenter
That’s the worst thing about gov’t-run anything. It locks in the status quo. It doesn’t improve, doesn’t innovate, doesn’t advance.

Health care in America was just getting better and better, wasn’t it?

62 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:58:38am
63 Dr. Matt  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:59:06am

re: #59 Skip Intro

Here’s what the Tea Turds accomplished.

And Kentucky got a $2 billion dam.

P.S. Where is the fake outrage from Rand Paul or the teabaggers about pork?

64 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 8:59:26am

re: #56 Vicious Babushka

Locked into the status quo? ACA is about breaking the status quo on affordable health insurance to millions who don’t or can’t get it through employers.

The TP/GOP opposes that. They’re for the status quo.

Immigration. They’re for the status quo.

65 brennant  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:00:18am

re: #63 Dr. Matt

And Kentucky got a $2 billion dam.

P.S. Where is the fake outrage from Rand Paul or the teabaggers about pork?

So they shut down the government to get infrastructure spending?

That’s funny right there.

66 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:00:35am

re: #64 lawhawk

Locked into the status quo? ACA is about breaking the status quo on affordable health insurance to millions who don’t or can’t get it through employers.

The TP/GOP opposes that. They’re for the status quo.

Immigration. They’re for the status quo.

In fact, they want to roll back to pre-status quo on most things.

67 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:02:35am

THIS IS FROM THE FOLKS WHO CALL OBAMA A KENYAN, A MARXIST, A COMMUNIST, A DICTATOR, A TYRANT, A MEANYHEAD, A [N-WORD]

68 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:03:36am

FAIL

69 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:05:05am

NO, THE FACT THAT U WANT NONE OF THESE THINGS.

70 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:05:28am

re: #68 Vicious Babushka

How to repeal ACA:

Win a majority in the Senate.

Win the Presidency.

Let Congress vote to repeal the law and let President sign the bill.


Good luck, Ted…

71 calochortus  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:05:35am

Vaguely related. Leonard Pitts Jr. doesn’t think much of Dr. Ben Carson.

72 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:05:39am

re: #68 Vicious Babushka

FAIL

Cruz just doesn’t know when to quit, does he?

73 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:06:50am

re: #69 Vicious Babushka

What is it people hate most about #TeaParty? That we want fiscal responsibility, adherence to law, truthful leaders or to keep our earnings?

Nobody is against any of these things: it is now we go about getting them, through cooperation and compromise, not by blockade and blackmail.

74 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:07:12am

re: #72 wheat-dogghazi

Cruz just doesn’t know when to quit, does he?

He’ll quit with he gets his ass pounded in 2016.

75 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:07:19am

When, after over 200 years, these Johnnies and Janies (collectively known as the TP) come along and are all of a sudden “experts” on the Constitution? Even more expert, even more knowledgeable, than those who have studied it for years?

Give me a break. Reading it without trying to understand it (other than your own POV), without prejudice, without being able to cite case and statutory laws, is just plain ignorance. Waving it around isn’t going to convince anyone but the most stupid people on the planet.

76 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:08:49am

DCPlod is so full of WIN

77 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:09:02am

re: #71 calochortus

Vaguely related. Leonard Pitts Jr. doesn’t think much of Dr. Ben Carson.

Carson should be criticized for that moronic statement.

78 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:09:24am

re: #75 Justanotherhuman

When, after over 200 years, these Johnnies and Janies (collectively known as the TP) come along and are all of a sudden “experts” on the Constitution? Even more expert, even more knowledgeable, than those who have studied it for years?

Give me a break. Reading it without trying to understand it (other than your own POV), without prejudice, without being able to cite case and statutory laws, is just plain ignorance. Waving it around isn’t going to convince anyone but the most stupid people on the planet.

Their source is the drivel David Barton pumps out, off the top of his head, claiming it’s the literal truth.

79 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:09:28am

re: #63 Dr. Matt

It’s technically not an earmark since this is part of an ongoing multi-year project to upgrade the lock and dam system on the Ohio River. Shutting down the govt, and sequester funding levels would have actually cost more money - $80 million more to stop the project mid-stream and then restart it at a later date, than continuing the authorization through to project completion.

Olmsted Lock and Dam rebuilding project.

If the project is stopped, it would cause significant disruption on the Ohio River and river traffic would be disrupted on the busiest inland water corridor in the nation.

Paul and McConnell will overlook that while the TP will claim this is pork.

Rebuilding critical infrastructure of national importance isn’t pork.

80 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:11:24am

re: #79 lawhawk

Rebuilding critical infrastructure of national importance isn’t pork.

“Pork” is any money that is being spent outside one’s own state or district…

81 Dr. Matt  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:12:17am

re: #79 lawhawk

I
Rebuilding critical infrastructure of national importance isn’t pork.

Not according to the teabaggers, hence, “Where is the fake outrage from Rand Paul or the teabaggers about pork?” Derp.

82 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:13:42am

re: #80 Sol Berdinowitz

Pork - the National Flood Insurance Program (via the TP/GOP arguments during the GOP-fuelled Sandy aid funding debate)

83 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:14:11am

re: #79 lawhawk

It’s technically not an earmark since this is part of an ongoing multi-year project to upgrade the lock and dam system on the Ohio River. Shutting down the govt, and sequester funding levels would have actually cost more money - $80 million more to stop the project mid-stream and then restart it at a later date, than continuing the authorization through to project completion.

Olmsted Lock and Dam rebuilding project.

If the project is stopped, it would cause significant disruption on the Ohio River and river traffic would be disrupted on the busiest inland water corridor in the nation.

Paul and McConnell will overlook that while the TP will claim this is pork.

Rebuilding critical infrastructure of national importance isn’t pork.

And not just replacement, but actual improvement since the new lock and dam will replace *two* existing ones, and thus improve transit times for tows on that section of the Ohio River.

lrl.usace.army.mil

84 danarchy  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:14:15am

re: #81 Dr. Matt

Not according to the teabaggers, hence, “Where is the fake outrage from Rand Paul or the teabaggers about pork?” Derp.

Not sure about in general, but Glenn Beck was full on conspiracy mode about it this morning.

85 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:14:33am

I’ll let Cruz go for it. He’s just going to look more and more pathetic railing against a problem that benefits people. Sure, it will endear him to his base and will probably get him at least a VP spot in 2016 but he’s only going to the WH as a visitor.

86 erik_t  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:16:20am

re: #83 Feline Fearless Leader

And not just replacement, but actual improvement since the new lock and dam will replace *two* existing ones, and thus improve transit times for tows on that section of the Ohio River.

lrl.usace.army.mil

It will be a cold day in hell that I get bent out of shape for building a dam.

Hell, I wasn’t even that annoyed with Palin’s Bridge of Questionable Utility. It doesn’t rot or decompose, it might be useful someday, and the money you paid the people to build it (which is the vast majority of the capital cost) doesn’t just disappear into thin air.

87 RadicalModerate  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:18:26am

re: #67 Vicious Babushka

THIS IS FROM THE FOLKS WHO CALL OBAMA A KENYAN, A MARXIST, A COMMUNIST, A DICTATOR, A TYRANT, A MEANYHEAD, A [N-WORD]

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I find it funny that the person who tweeted this message has retweeted (and has on his friends list) VDARE, Michelle Malkin, and Volksfront. But remember, calling him a racist is just propoganda.

88 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:18:57am

I do get a kick out of the TP getting pissy about being called names. Oh isn’t that precious? You guys likened our president to a dictator because he wanted to make health care more affordable and you’re mad because you’re being labeled fanatics? Tough shit assholes and you’re not the only ones who are fiscally responsible, want accountability from our leaders, etc. We just don’t want fanatics like you in power.

89 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:19:11am

re: #86 erik_t

It will be a cold day in hell that I get bent out of shape for building a dam.

Hell, I wasn’t even that annoyed with Palin’s Bridge of Questionable Utility. It doesn’t rot or decompose, it might be useful someday, and the money you paid the people to build it (which is the vast majority of the capital cost) doesn’t just disappear into thin air.

Main question with dam projects is the additional environmental impact on the environment and ecology of the area. Fish migration, habitats, etc. One reason the Atlantic Salmon (and also Pacific Salmon) have reduced ranges in North America is that the way they like creeks and rivers is not the way that humans like creeks and rivers.

90 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:19:22am

re: #87 RadicalModerate

I find it funny that the person who tweeted this message has retweeted (and has on his friends list) VDARE, Michelle Malkin, and Volksfront. But remember, calling him a racist is just propoganda.

The SPLC are the real racists.//

91 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:20:01am

re: #13 EPR-radar

Not going to happen. Realistically, they can’t fall much lower in favorability because the US really does have about 25% or so of dead-enders on most political issues.

And they all have firearms.

92 Skip Intro  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:20:36am

re: #72 wheat-dogghazi

Cruz just doesn’t know when to quit, does he?

His internal unskewed polls show him with 110% support.

93 RadicalModerate  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:22:12am

re: #92 Skip Intro

His internal unskewed polls show him with 110% support.

Someone needs to explain to Ted that the voices that he hears in his head don’t count as a groundswell of popular support.

94 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:24:10am

Obama - the first gay president?

I have no idea if this is meant to be sincere or not. Poe’s law, and all.

Youtube Video

95 Mattand  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:24:12am

re: #69 Vicious Babushka

NO, THE FACT THAT U WANT NONE OF THESE THINGS.

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96 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:24:53am

re: #95 Mattand

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Ding.

97 Political Atheist  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:25:14am

re: #85 HappyWarrior

What are the big wedge issues between the TP and the rest of the GOP? Pick a couple and keep hitting them. Cruz control.

98 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:27:17am

re: #97 Political Atheist

What are the big wedge issues between the TP and the rest of the GOP? Pick a couple and keep hitting them. Cruz control.

I don’t know. I think it’s really not a matter of wedge issues differences. I think it’s a matter of style. I think many of the Senate R’s at least understand that ACA is law and that a repeal or defunding isn’t going to happen at least while Obama is in office. Cruz seems to think and act more like what you see with what we called the Suicide Caucus. Damn reality and full speed ahead.

99 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:28:07am

re: #94 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Obama - the first gay president?

I have no idea if this is meant to be sincere or not. Poe’s law, and all.

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No idea but but didn’t Time have a cover calling him that since he’s probably been the most pro-gay policy wise president we ever had. I think it’s stupid but whatever.

100 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:28:23am

BUTTHURT

101 piratedan  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:29:12am

re: #97 Political Atheist

What are the big wedge issues between the TP and the rest of the GOP? Pick a couple and keep hitting them. Cruz control.

he’s the autopilot (cruz control), default setting is grift.

102 piratedan  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:30:00am

re: #100 Vicious Babushka

how dare you replace her reality with a factual one not of her own construct!

103 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:31:24am

re: #98 HappyWarrior

I don’t know. I think it’s really not a matter of wedge issues differences. I think it’s a matter of style. I think many of the Senate R’s at least understand that ACA is law and that a repeal or defunding isn’t going to happen at least while Obama is in office. Cruz seems to think and act more like what you see with what we called the Suicide Caucus. Damn reality and full speed ahead.

I think Cruz knows this too, but is using the defund/delay/destroy caucus to further his own political ambitions by using it as a fundraising too into 2016. That he’s willing to bankrupt the economy tells you about just how craven he is.

104 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:31:26am

re: #100 Vicious Babushka

BUTTHURT

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How dare you point out that St. Ronald of Reagan did the same things that they accuse Obama of being uniquely bad for doing.

105 RadicalModerate  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:31:42am

re: #97 Political Atheist

What are the big wedge issues between the TP and the rest of the GOP? Pick a couple and keep hitting them. Cruz control.

Probably the biggest one between the business-interest wing of the GOP and the Tea Partiers is immigration reform.

106 BusyMonster  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:32:54am

re: #73 Sol Berdinowitz

What is it people hate most about #TeaParty? That we want fiscal responsibility, adherence to law, truthful leaders or to keep our earnings?

Nobody is against any of these things: it is now we go about getting them, through cooperation and compromise, not by blockade and blackmail.

Except the Tea Party is NOT about fiscal responsibility and sure as SHIT not about adherence to the law. These are people who make up the law as they go, and invent rules that never existed, while simultaneously denying the ones that do.

They’re CHILDREN who have no credibility on these matters.

107 Mattand  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:32:59am

So looking forward to tonight’s social gathering. One of the attendees is a federal prison guard who feels that Obama and Biden should be impeached over the shutdown.

This should be fun. The guy’s a new beau of a longtime friend. I’ve been letting certain comments slide with him for her benefit, but I’m in no mood for that fucking false balance nonsense.

I’m not going to gloat, but if you’re not going to assign blame where it belongs, I’m not keeping my mouth shut.

108 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:33:17am

re: #105 RadicalModerate

Probably the biggest one between the business-interest wing of the GOP and the Tea Partiers is immigration reform.

You mean like this:

washingtonpost.com

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!

109 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:33:19am

Interesting link, critical of Heritage Foundation, from McCain who takes a beating for it.


Haha, no self-criticism allowed among conservatives, you fool! No self-awareness, either.

110 erik_t  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:34:03am

re: #89 Feline Fearless Leader

Main question with dam projects is the additional environmental impact on the environment and ecology of the area. Fish migration, habitats, etc. One reason the Atlantic Salmon (and also Pacific Salmon) have reduced ranges in North America is that the way they like creeks and rivers is not the way that humans like creeks and rivers.

Yes, yes. I should have said I’ll never get upset for zomg deficit reasons!!!!1 about building a dam or other Lump O’ Infrastructure.

Obviously the infrastructure itself can be harmful, in some cases.

111 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:34:24am

Anything Ted Cruz says about the ACA is false, including the “the” and “and”.

Takeaway: Trust nothing Ted Cruz says about the ACA. He’s purposefully lying to everyone about what the ACA does, how it operates, and what kind of costs are involved.

112 EPR-radar  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:34:47am

re: #105 RadicalModerate

Probably the biggest one between the business-interest wing of the GOP and the Tea Partiers is immigration reform.

If immigration reform sees the light of day, the resulting GOP infighting will make the CR/debt ceiling aftermath look like a 30 second playground tiff between toddlers.

113 Political Atheist  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:34:56am

re: #105 RadicalModerate

Probably the biggest one between the business-interest wing of the GOP and the Tea Partiers is immigration reform.

That and the business wing has no interest in the extreme social agenda either. The fundies just cost them billions.

114 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:35:27am

re: #103 lawhawk

I think Cruz knows this too, but is using the defund/delay/destroy caucus to further his own political ambitions by using it as a fundraising too into 2016. That he’s willing to bankrupt the economy tells you about just how craven he is.

True, Cruz isn’t a dumb guy. I think Cruz combines crazy demagoguery with good old politician swarmy. He’s honestly everything that Joe Public hates about politicians. Pandering to the lowest common denominator and pretending to be something he’s not.

115 Political Atheist  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:36:51am

Oh has anyone debunked the Chase cash withdrawl outrage yet? I just can’t believe that’s real. (infowars via Drudge-not linking it)

116 Mattand  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:36:59am

re: #96 HappyWarrior

Ding.

Guy responded back and told me I’m uneducated and don’t understand how the country works.

I reminded him that the Supreme Court ruled the ACA constitutional.

I swear to God, flying or using a Gadsden flag at this point is just someone screaming, “I comprehend the Constitution the way a microbe comprehends physics.”

117 RadicalModerate  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:38:16am

Someone needs to do a side-by-side comparison between the rank-and-file Tea Party membership as it now stands, with the Dixiecrats brought into the Republican Party as a result of the Southern Strategy. That Venn diagram just HAS to look like concentric circles.

118 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:38:26am

re: #109 Justanotherhuman

Interesting link, critical of Heritage Foundation, from McCain who takes a beating for it.

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Haha, no self-criticism allowed among conservatives, you fool! No self-awareness, either.

The author makes a good point about DeMint. I’ve never been a fan of Heritage but in the past, ti seemed like they were at least interested in ideas. DeMint is as the author says a lot like Cruz. Ineffective and bent on pushing his agenda above all.

119 Skip Intro  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:41:30am

Tea Party Republican Defends Being on Medicaid While Opposing Medicaid

littlegreenfootballs.com

120 EPR-radar  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:41:33am

re: #118 HappyWarrior

The author makes a good point about DeMint. I’ve never been a fan of Heritage but in the past, ti seemed like they were at least interested in ideas. DeMint is as the author says a lot like Cruz. Ineffective and bent on pushing his agenda above all.

By now, ideas are actively toxic to the GOP base. RW think tanks need to produce the propaganda of the day or lose funding.

121 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:42:08am

It’s appalling to see that this vicious movement still has 30% approval. No, you can’t fool all the people all the time, but apparently you can fool about 30% of them no matter what you do.

122 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:43:32am
123 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:44:31am

re: #115 Political Atheist

Iranian and Voice of Russia are running with stories that the bank is going to institute limits on all cash transactions (including deposits, withdrawals, and ATM usage) for business accounts to $50,000 per month, and will prohibit all outgoing international bank wires.

That only two outliers are reporting this - and not any mainline business news service (WSJ, CNBC, etc.), I’d call BS on that, and the claims that there are or were a bank run on Chase outlets.

124 Skip Intro  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:44:53am

re: #121 Shiplord Kirel

It’s appalling to see that this vicious movement still has 30% approval. No, you can’t fool all the people all the time, but apparently you can fool about 30% of them no matter what you do.

They think they won because everybody knows the Dems closed down the government and planned on defaulting on the debt, but they stopped them.

125 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:45:19am

Somebody tell MikeAndy that Reagan raised the Debt Limit 18 times.

126 allegro  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:45:42am

re: #109 Justanotherhuman

Interesting link, critical of Heritage Foundation, from McCain who takes a beating for it.


Haha, no self-criticism allowed among conservatives, you fool! No self-awareness, either.

That just might be taking a turn. I quite enjoyed this declaration of War on Cruz from Pete King. Popcorn!

127 Skip Intro  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:46:08am

re: #125 Vicious Babushka

Why is Ronnie blowing his nose on the flag?

128 EPR-radar  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:46:12am

re: #121 Shiplord Kirel

It’s appalling to see that this vicious movement still has 30% approval. No, you can’t fool all the people all the time, but apparently you can fool about 30% of them no matter what you do.

Many of these people aren’t being fooled. A large fraction of that 30% really are GOP/teabag true believers that are being faithfully represented by the teabagger hostage-takers in Congress.

129 ObserverArt  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:46:32am

Questions. I see the article lists 2010 as the year the Tea Party took shape. Yet, it is commonly known the Tea Party was started just after Obama’s taking office in January 2009.

Is this a bit of revisionism to take away from the instant forming of these organizations as soon as Obama was sworn in? Or, is it a creative way of saying the Tea Party may have been formed in 2009 and acted like it was a neutral entity but by 2010 it took shape as the Republic co-opted home of right wing radicals?

I do know the article is mainly about the Pew polls following the Tea Party in March 2010, but then that doesn’t line up with some facts of when and who started and funded the Tea Party

And this sentence: “There’s not really a consensus about what the Tea Party is, whether it’s kind of an outside group trying to steer policy or whether it’s working within the Republican Party itself,” Dimock says. I do not think there are too many Democrats or independents that would say they didn’t know where the Tea Party sides. Have any of the Democrat members here at LGF ever said they were part of the Tea Party movement. What about friends, relatives, family members that are Democrats.

Maybe I’m just being nitpicky and growing tired of the reporting, but I still place some value in language and journalism. Is this article more of the new media that doesn’t want to step on toes so they take an approach to water these articles down so they don’t upset anyone. As with the Chuck Todd BS, are we getting reporting and good writing and info, or just filler for hits and views?

130 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:46:34am

re: #127 Skip Intro

Why is Ronnie blowing his nose on the flag?

FREEDOM!!!!1!!!!!!!

131 b.d.  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:47:15am

re: #125 Vicious Babushka

Somebody tell MikeAndy that Reagan raised the Debt Limit 18 times.

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Why is that guy who has been 10 years wiping his nose on the American flag?

132 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:48:27am

re: #126 allegro

That just might be taking a turn. I quite enjoyed this declaration of War on Cruz from Pete King. Popcorn!

I think King is legitimately pissed off at his party. But then again, he acted pretty pissed following the bs following Hurricane Sandy too. It is sad though if we’re seeing King as a voice of reason within the GOP House caucus though.

133 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:49:52am

re: #125 Vicious Babushka

Somebody tell MikeAndy that Reagan raised the Debt Limit 18 times.

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Good old Tom Sowell. Always good for a bit of projection. They talk about how egotistical Obama is but Reagan is the one who famously yelled “I paid for this microphone.” The man wasn’t exactly Mr. Humble but then again few if any of our presidents have been.

134 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:50:38am

re: #133 HappyWarrior

Good old Tom Sowell. Always good for a bit of projection. They talk about how egotistical Obama is but Reagan is the one who famously yelled “I paid for this microphone.” The man wasn’t exactly Mr. Humble but then again few if any of our presidents have been.

Why should anyone give a shit what that Koch tool Sowell says?

135 b.d.  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:51:14am

re: #125 Vicious Babushka

That settles it then, I’m voting for Bill Richardson!

136 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:51:16am

re: #129 ObserverArt

Questions. I see the article lists 2010 as the year the Tea Party took shape. Yet, it is commonly known the Tea Party was started just after Obama’s taking office in January 2009.

Is this a bit of revisionism to take away from the instant forming of these organizations as soon as Obama was sworn in? Or, is it a creative way of saying the Tea Party may have been formed in 2009 and acted like it was a neutral entity but by 2010 it took shape as the Republic co-opted home of right wing radicals?

I do know the article is mainly about the Pew polls following the Tea Party in March 2010, but then that doesn’t line up with some facts of when and who started and funded the Tea Party

And this sentence: “There’s not really a consensus about what the Tea Party is, whether it’s kind of an outside group trying to steer policy or whether it’s working within the Republican Party itself,” Dimock says. I do not think there are too many Democrats or independents that would say they didn’t know where the Tea Party sides. Have any of the Democrat members here at LGF ever said they were part of the Tea Party movement. What about friends, relatives, family members that are Democrats.

Maybe I’m just being nitpicky and growing tired of the reporting, but I still place some value in language and journalism. Is this article more of the new media that doesn’t want to step on toes so they take an approach to water these articles down so they don’t upset anyone. As with the Chuck Todd BS, are we getting reporting and good writing and info, or just filler for hits and views?

I thought the TP started in more 2007-08. It was originally a Ron Paul thing and I actually remember some of the conservatives I knew mocking it because they didn’t like Ron Paul mostly for his FP views who later embraced it as a vehicle to attack Obama once Obama became president.

137 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:51:31am

re: #134 Vicious Babushka

Why should anyone give a shit what that Koch tool Sowell says?

No kidding.

138 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:51:49am

re: #135 b.d.

That settles it then, I’m voting for Bill Richardson!

Give me Mike Gravel!

139 Schadenboner  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:53:14am

re: #13 EPR-radar

Not going to happen. Realistically, they can’t fall much lower in favorability because the US really does have about 25% or so of dead-enders on most political issues.

I really wish polls (real, reputable polls I mean) asked batshit-crazy questions. Either patently psychotic questions (like support for a return of the peculiar institution) or a greatest-hits of American History like concerns about “the growing influence of the USSR in the third world”, shit like that.

It would provide an interesting result, sorta a baseline-insane (or “not paying attention but for some reason still answer pollsters”) number.

141 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:58:15am

CRYBABIES

142 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 9:58:49am

re: #125 Vicious Babushka

“Ronald Reagan had a vision of America. Thomas Sowell has a vision of Thomas Sowell”

FTFHim

143 Varek Raith  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:00:03am
S.E. Cupp ✔ @secupp

This pro government victory lap is unnecessary and nauseating.
11:17 AM - 17 Oct 2013

Lol.
*Does Snoopy dance*

144 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:00:25am

The Denial and DARVO are stupefying.

145 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:00:50am

re: #143 Varek Raith

Lol.
*Does Snoopy dance*

Yeah it’s nauseating to be glad that people are back in work and others are finally able to work. How fucking terrible. S.E Cupp is a fucking moron.

146 GeneJockey  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:01:49am

The US Government is not an alien entity, foisted on us from outside. Somebody tell Sippy Cupp that in a self-governing nation, the government IS the people, thus the victory lap is celebrating a win for America.

147 piratedan  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:03:44am

re: #141 Vicious Babushka

yes 41 stories blamed the GOP for the shutdown, 0 on the Dems; because when you engage in extortion, reneging on agreements made months before and you have the means to do your job and don’t, you usually get the blame.

148 GeneJockey  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:05:07am

re: #141 Vicious Babushka

CRYBABIES

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History books blamed Japan for Pearl Harbor, too. Must be biased.

(Note how cleverly I avoided Godwinning while still bringing WWII into it.)

149 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:05:14am

re: #146 Assless ChapJockey

The US Government is not an alien entity, foisted on us from outside. Somebody tell Sippy Cupp that in a self-governing nation, the government IS the people, thus the victory lap is celebrating a win for America.

Seriously. Of course, I bet. Dumbass Cupp was riding the full outrage train about the WWII memorial being closed during the shutdown but government’s back up and running which btw said memorial is reopened too and it’s a “victory lap” to celebrate that. These people are grade A dumbasses. They want to shutdown the government, then they blame Obama when it is shutdown, and then when the shutdown ends, they get pissy that people are happy that it’s over.

150 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:05:55am
151 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:06:35am

Well it’s pretty hard to spin the shutdown as being the Dems fault. Sometimes facts they say have a liberal bias. The media doesn’t exist to treat the two parties as equals. It exists to report the facts and the facts are the Republicans’ tantrum is why the government got shutdown.

152 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:07:54am

re: #148 GeneJockey

History books blamed Japan for Pearl Harbor, too. Must be biased.

(Note how cleverly I avoided Godwinning while still bringing WWII into it.)

Just don’t get on a roll… ;)

153 GeneJockey  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:09:00am

re: #150 Vicious Babushka

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And TRIPLED the national debt.

And never submitted a budget anywhere close to balanced.

And raised taxes 9 times.

And initiated the Earned Income Tax Credit.

And tucked tail and ran after 240 Marines were killed by a terrorist group.

And sold arms to Iran, to support Nicaraguan Death Squads.

154 Lidane  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:09:27am
155 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:09:33am

re: #153 GeneJockey

And TRIPLED the national debt.

And never submitted a budget anywhere close to balanced.

And raised taxes 9 times.

And initiated the Earned Income Tax Credit.

And tucked tail and ran after 240 Marines were killed by a terrorist group.

And sold arms to Iran, to support Nicaraguan Death Squads.

U LIBRUL TROLL!!!!11!!!1!!!!

156 GeneJockey  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:09:36am

And lobbied for the Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons ban.

157 Aqua Obama  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:09:49am

re: #153 GeneJockey

And TRIPLED the national debt.

And never submitted a budget anywhere close to balanced.

And raised taxes 9 times.

And initiated the Earned Income Tax Credit.

And tucked tail and ran after 240 Marines were killed by a terrorist group.

And sold arms to Iran, to support Nicaraguan Death Squads.

WE WILL ALWAYS BE FREEEEEEEEE!!!!

158 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:10:00am

re: #136 HappyWarrior

I thought the TP started in more 2007-08. It was originally a Ron Paul thing and I actually remember some of the conservatives I knew mocking it because they didn’t like Ron Paul mostly for his FP views who later embraced it as a vehicle to attack Obama once Obama became president.

I saw it as in its formative stage then, first, as a response to “tax day” in 2008 by libertarians and the rightwing, and secondly, as a response to the Dem ticket for 2008 (either a Black man or a Woman and that wouldn’t do). It was pretty well known by April 2008 that BO would be the nominee of the Dems. IIRC correctly, there was some activity by these types as an astroturf org, alleged and then evidence found that big money was funding local orgs as well. rawstory.com

159 GeneJockey  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:10:47am

re: #154 Lidane

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1) Provide affordable health insurance to 30 million uninsured Americans

2)???

3) Profit Concentration camps for gun owners!

160 Varek Raith  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:11:28am

re: #154 Lidane

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Lol.
I am thoroughly amused by the wingnut freakout.

161 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:11:52am

TEA PARTY’S AMERICA: GOVERNMENT RUNS OUT OF MONEY TODAY!

162 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:12:01am

re: #154 Lidane

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Yes, concentration camps for gun owners. Because this is a totally sane reaction to ACA. Glad Larry’s showing why we need better mental health care coverage in this country. This guy needs to be either on meds or not fronting a gun rights’ group. He’s inciting violence.

163 Varek Raith  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:12:36am

Image: WileEBoehner.jpg

164 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:13:29am

re: #159 GeneJockey

1) Provide affordable health insurance to 30 million uninsured Americans

2)???

3) Profit Concentration camps for gun owners!

Hey you wingnuts who were all outraged because that little girl wasn’t getting a lung transplant (she ended up getting 2) THOSE ORGAN TRANSPLANTS DON’T GROW ON TREES!!!!1!!!

//

165 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:13:42am

re: #156 GeneJockey

And lobbied for the Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons ban.

Right wingers hate when I remind them that Reagan and Bush the Elder signed far stricter gun control legislation than anything the Dems have proposed. The 1986 Hughes amendment to the NFA is especially galling.

166 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:14:33am
167 darthstar  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:14:34am
168 GeneJockey  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:14:35am

re: #164 Vicious Babushka

Hey you wingnuts who were all outraged because that little girl wasn’t getting a lung transplant (she ended up getting 2) THOSE ORGAN TRANSPLANTS DON’T GROW ON TREES!!!!1!!!

//

Not yet, they don’t. Just wait….

BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
//

169 darthstar  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:15:19am

re: #125 Vicious Babushka

Somebody tell MikeAndy that Reagan raised the Debt Limit 18 times.

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Is Reagan blowing his nose in the flag?

170 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:15:31am

re: #168 GeneJockey

Government runs out of money almost every day.

Not yet, they don’t. Just wait….

BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

The Tree of Liberty must be watered from time to time and OBAMACARE ORGAN TRANSPLANTS WILL GROW FROM IT.

171 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:15:35am

re: #167 darthstar

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Heh glad Steve Lonegan’s staying behind in Jersey with his scotch and cigars.

172 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:16:27am

re: #169 darthstar

Is Reagan blowing his nose in the flag?

TRUE PATRIOTS ALWAYS BLOW THEIR BOOGERS ON THE FLAG!!!1!!!!!!

173 Lidane  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:17:00am
174 darthstar  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:17:01am
175 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:17:47am

re: #173 Lidane

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Let’s hope he keeps his word. I don’t trust McConnell at all.

176 GeneJockey  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:17:59am

re: #170 Vicious Babushka

The Tree of Liberty must be watered from time to time and OBAMACARE ORGAN TRANSPLANTS WILL GROW FROM IT.

But you need to water it with blood, and it has to be human, so it can grow organs. The Tree of Liberty needs a human genome to work from.

177 b.d.  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:19:42am

So no more “bombshells” from Greenwald until the DailyDudeBro goes online?

He wouldn’t want to waste his good stuff and he no longer is affiliated with The Guardian?

178 Varek Raith  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:19:54am

Youtube Video

179 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:20:44am

re: #177 b.d.

So no more “bombshells” from Greenwald until the DailyDudeBro goes online?

He wouldn’t want to waste his good stuff and he no longer is affiliated with The Guardian?

And he has to make sure that his tech team can put up a firewall that non-subscribers can’t bypass, and also none of his tech team can steal any of his “scoops”

180 GeneJockey  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:20:50am

re: #175 HappyWarrior

Let’s hope he keeps his word. I don’t trust McConnell at all.

Yeah. But whatever else you might say about McConnell, he’s pragmatic. When Obama was trying to be a nice guy and compromise, McConnell knew that threatening a shutdown and default would work. In the aftermath of this debacle, he won’t risk it, especially in an election year.

181 Lidane  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:23:00am

re: #175 HappyWarrior

Let’s hope he keeps his word. I don’t trust McConnell at all.

I don’t trust him either. Didn’t the GOP leadership suppsedly oppose this shutdown?

182 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:24:21am

re: #173 Lidane

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That echoes what John McCain said earlier. Sounds like the Senate will relegate Ted Cruz and his sympathizers to the Committee on Toilet Scrubbing and Sanitizing if they so much as utter a peep about a shutdown going forward.

183 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:25:44am

re: #107 Mattand

So looking forward to tonight’s social gathering. One of the attendees is a federal prison guard who feels that Obama and Biden should be impeached over the shutdown.

This should be fun. The guy’s a new beau of a longtime friend. I’ve been letting certain comments slide with him for her benefit, but I’m in no mood for that fucking false balance nonsense.

I’m not going to gloat, but if you’re not going to assign blame where it belongs, I’m not keeping my mouth shut.

Yeah, there always has to be that point where you have to take a stand because, “If I agreed with you, then we would both be wrong!”

184 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:27:15am

re: #179 Vicious Babushka

And he has to make sure that his tech team can put up a firewall that non-subscribers can’t bypass, and also none of his tech team can steal any of his “scoops”

He’s got his panties in a wad about this…

185 Schadenboner  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:30:46am

re: #167 darthstar

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Come on, fairs fair. That was at least a little funny.

186 makeitstop  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:36:00am

re: #180 GeneJockey

Yeah. But whatever else you might say about McConnell, he’s pragmatic. When Obama was trying to be a nice guy and compromise, McConnell knew that threatening a shutdown and default would work. In the aftermath of this debacle, he won’t risk it, especially in an election year.

True.

The GOP got a snootful of the Resolute Obama and got their asses kicked in just about every way imaginable. I don’t think they’ll want to try that again for a while.

Also, a unified Democratic party is a wondrous thing to behold.

187 Lidane  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:41:18am

Well, this explains a lot:

188 ObserverArt  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:41:26am

re: #75 Justanotherhuman

When, after over 200 years, these Johnnies and Janies (collectively known as the TP) come along and are all of a sudden “experts” on the Constitution? Even more expert, even more knowledgeable, than those who have studied it for years?

Give me a break. Reading it without trying to understand it (other than your own POV), without prejudice, without being able to cite case and statutory laws, is just plain ignorance. Waving it around isn’t going to convince anyone but the most stupid people on the planet.

And they are up against Obama. Remind them of what area of study Obama undertook at Harvard and then taught at The University of Chicago.

I think I’ll go with the guy that actually knows The US Constitution and Law.

189 GeneJockey  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:49:27am

re: #75 Justanotherhuman

When, after over 200 years, these Johnnies and Janies (collectively known as the TP) come along and are all of a sudden “experts” on the Constitution? Even more expert, even more knowledgeable, than those who have studied it for years?

Give me a break. Reading it without trying to understand it (other than your own POV), without prejudice, without being able to cite case and statutory laws, is just plain ignorance. Waving it around isn’t going to convince anyone but the most stupid people on the planet.

Look, these are the same people who think the lesson of The Bible is to worship the rich and piss on the poor. Of course they find what they want to find in the Constitution - misinterpreting things to support their prejudices is what they live for.

190 ObserverArt  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 10:54:07am

re: #109 Justanotherhuman

Interesting link, critical of Heritage Foundation, from McCain who takes a beating for it.

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Haha, no self-criticism allowed among conservatives, you fool! No self-awareness, either.

Orin Hatch was dumping on them on MSNBC this morning too.

What they are calling the split in the Republican Party will still be ongoing. The real damage to The Republic Party will come from the wars over territory and the distancing from each other. It is not going to be pretty. By the time January rolls around their might be more fracturing in the party and it could be harder to get them to do anything in numbers. What was messy now is going to be messier for the Republicans. It may make them powerless and further muck up their 2014 elections.

Get plenty of popcorn…this show is going to be a long one.

191 ObserverArt  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 11:03:37am

re: #136 HappyWarrior

I thought the TP started in more 2007-08. It was originally a Ron Paul thing and I actually remember some of the conservatives I knew mocking it because they didn’t like Ron Paul mostly for his FP views who later embraced it as a vehicle to attack Obama once Obama became president.

That may be true. As a term it could go back further. Haven’t there been tea days or something like that in the past? I admit I do not know the roots of the naming other than the Boston Tea Party. It probably has been used by groups before. However, most media states it as 2009 right after Obama too office and it was being funded (astroturfed) by Dick Armey and his money organization machine. I should have said it become mainstreamed and entered the public’s awareness in 2009.

192 GeneJockey  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 11:09:19am

re: #191 ObserverArt

That may be true. As a term it could go back further. Haven’t there been tea days or something like that in the past? I admit I do not know the roots of the naming other than the Boston Tea Party. It probably has been used by groups before. However, most media states it as 2009 right after Obama too office and it was being funded (astroturfed) by Dick Armey and his money organization machine. I should have said it become mainstreamed and entered the public’s awareness in 2009.

A lot of folks consider the start of the TP movement to have been Rick Santelli’s rant on CNBC back n early 2009 about the idea of helping out homeowners who were underwater. He had, of course, been silent about bailing out Wall Street. He talked about the Boston Tea Party and how maybe it was time for another one.

193 Skip Intro  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 11:19:31am

This is what happens to an incompetent “birther” Superior Court Judge (elected by the TP, of course). Too bad there isn’t a similar black hole seditious Senators and Congressmen could be exiled to.

Outspoken conservative San Diego Superior Court Judge Gary Kreep, best known for challenging the citizenship of President Barack Obama and the legitimacy of his administration, has been banished to Traffic Court by his fellow judges after 9 months on the bench.

Kreep was reassigned September 9 to a court that handles traffic disputes and small claims after repeated complaints from attorneys who boycotted his courtroom over his general conduct. No official reason for his demotion was given.

When elected, Kreep expressed a desire to handle family court cases, but according to San Diego City Beat reporter Dave Maass, who spent some time watching Kreep at work his first week on the job, he was given an obscure posting in a small misdemeanor court.

Kreep was narrowly elected judge in June 2012 over respected Deputy District Attorney Garland Peed and was sworn in on January 7. Prior to his election, he played a prominent part in a birther infomercial and provided legal representation to groups challenging the president’s citizenship in court. He is founder and executive director of the United States Justice Foundation (USJF), whose website questions whether one can be “a true Democrat and a true Christian.”

allgov.com

194 ObserverArt  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 11:49:53am

re: #192 GeneJockey

A lot of folks consider the start of the TP movement to have been Rick Santelli’s rant on CNBC back n early 2009 about the idea of helping out homeowners who were underwater. He had, of course, been silent about bailing out Wall Street. He talked about the Boston Tea Party and how maybe it was time for another one.

I’m going to see if there is a YouTube of that. Thanks.

Edit…sure enough, tons of ‘em. I remember seeing some of that then now that I see it.

Youtube Video

195 ContraryLemming  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 12:29:31pm

re: #75 Justanotherhuman

It took me a while to realize why these Tea Party types made such a big deal out of reading the Constitution. It’s because they hadn’t read a book since they left school (high school or whatever grade they achieved).

The Constitution is hard. It’s written in 18th-century language and it has big words in it. And they read it. They actually read something other than the letters to Hustler or the assembly manual for Ikea.

They want a cookie, dammit!

196 Tigger2  Thu, Oct 17, 2013 3:17:11pm

re: #125 Vicious Babushka

Somebody tell MikeAndy that Reagan raised the Debt Limit 18 times.

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I have always hated that pic of Reagan blowing his nose with the flag. /


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