1 FemNaziBitch  May 15, 2014 5:40:32pm

b,b,b,b,but the beebees!!!!

2 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  May 15, 2014 5:56:13pm

I’m praying for rain
And I’m praying for tidal waves
I want to see the ground give way.
I want to watch it all go down.
Mom, please flush it all away.
I want to see it go right in and down.
I want to watch it go right in.
Watch you flush it all away.

3 Charles Johnson  May 15, 2014 5:57:42pm
4 Pie-onist Overlord  May 15, 2014 6:02:19pm

This Week’s Pie
THE APPLE PIE

5 Charles Johnson  May 15, 2014 6:05:34pm
6 b.d.  May 15, 2014 6:07:43pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

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Arrest means publicity and something for his army of flying monkeys to rally around, I’m surprised Greenwald hasn’t slugged a cop

7 Shazam  May 15, 2014 6:08:13pm

re: #2 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

See you down in Arizona Bay.

8 b.d.  May 15, 2014 6:09:11pm

re: #4 Pie-onist Overlord

This Week’s Pie
THE APPLE PIE
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Wonderful looking, what is that in the center?

9 b.d.  May 15, 2014 6:12:16pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

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Curious as to whether Glenn will visit the UK on the European leg of this tour.

10 Amory Blaine  May 15, 2014 6:12:26pm

Ha ha!! Check this GOP primary debate for Idaho governor.

Youtube Video

11 Justanotherhuman  May 15, 2014 6:14:03pm

Kicking the dead man, particularly:

“Greenwald rejects the argument that those with nothing to hide should not fear government surveillance, noting that the “true measure of a society’s freedom is how it treats its dissidents and other marginalized groups, not how it treats good loyalists.” He says far too many Washington journalists have chosen to play the part of loyalist in order gain access and curry favor with the government. And lest this sound like a vague attack on the establishment, Greenwald calls them out by name. Face the Nation’s Bob Schieffer, the Washington Post’s Walter Pincus, the New York Time’s Andrew Ross Sorkin and the New Yorker’s Jeffrey Toobin, are all called out for denouncing Snowden and Greenwald as “narcissists, plotters, or traitors.”

“Greenwald was also particularly tough on Tim Russert, the former host of Meet the Press, who died in 2008. In an interview with GQ promoting the book, he described Russert as being like an “over accommodating head waiter at some really swanky restaurant who’s just really good at ass-kissing every rich person who comes into the door.” He said Russert and other mainstream D.C. journalist try to make “reverential” questions appear adversarial.”

dailydot.com

12 FemNaziBitch  May 15, 2014 6:16:03pm

I’m tired of Greenwald, and the guy who went to Russia, Palin and I forget the other person —terrible grating voice like Palin’s.

13 Justanotherhuman  May 15, 2014 6:18:06pm

Get out if need be and stay safe, everyone.

8 fires now burning across San Diego County - @NBCLA
End of alert

14 Gus  May 15, 2014 6:23:06pm

Bush v. The Washington Media

Whatever else one might say about George Bush, it is hard to dispute that he steadfastly believes in and adheres to the decisions he makes like virtually no other American political figure we have seen. And whatever it is that accounts for this refusal to change course in response to even the most intense political pressure — whether it’s personality traits, or a genuine set of principles, or messianic religious convictions about his actions and/or himself — he is largely immune to the weapons which the Washington establishment, and particularly its press corps, have long wielded in order to force political officials to change course.

[snip]

Steadfastness or stuborness, like Clinton’s eagerness to accomodate the positions of others, can be a good or a bad trait in a President. But for the preening, hubristic, status-obsessed Washington media elite, what matters is the influence and power they have, and in this respect, Bush’s refusal to grant them their rightful place is nothing but a source of anger.

The media sees shifting public opinion in Iraq as their big chance to show that their power has not waned. They are committed to milking public discomfort over Iraq in order to show the Administration that they still rule Washington. And the longer Bush refuses to adhere to their demands — or, as Hersch revealingly complained, the longer they “can’t get to him maybe with (their) views” — the angrier and more frustrated they are going to become.

15 Pie-onist Overlord  May 15, 2014 6:25:13pm

re: #8 b.d.

Wonderful looking, what is that in the center?

That’s a ceramic pie bird, vents the steam so the filling doesn’t bubble over.

16 FemNaziBitch  May 15, 2014 6:27:09pm

HA!

17 Justanotherhuman  May 15, 2014 6:28:04pm

re: #14 Gus

Bush v. The Washington Media

Is that from “When Greenwald was Fellating Bush?”

I’ll bet he thought Jeff Gannon was one of the only real reporters to get into the WH press room, too.

18 Killgore Trout  May 15, 2014 6:28:20pm

BMP Cannon Accidently Fired by Amateurs in Dirvina, Ukraine - Near miss
Liveleak Video

What happens when an inexperienced person takes over military equipment.
The stalled BMP was left behind by government troops that were on their way to fight the separatists. Local idiots climbed inside. Apparently someone pulled the trigger and managed to fire the gun. An elderly man was injured by a brick. Could’ve easily ended in fatalities.

This stupid incident occurred in the area of Mariupol ukraine a few days ago.

19 jaunte  May 15, 2014 6:29:54pm

re: #14 Gus

“…And, most significantly, he doesn’t go out of his way, Clinton-like, to make sure that reporters — or anyone else — feel that their opinions are listened to and cherished. If anything, the opposite is true: Bush has never tried to hide that he has very little regard for the opinions of the Washington media establishment; that he could not care any less about winning their approval; and that the tried-and-true pressure tactics which they have used for decades to force White Houses to change course have no effect on Bush, unless it’s to make him dig in even deeper.”

It’s practically autobiographical.

20 Justanotherhuman  May 15, 2014 6:37:12pm

re: #9 b.d.

Curious as to whether Glenn will visit the UK on the European leg of this tour.

That was a rhetorical question, right?

Well, here’s your rhetorical answer.

Glenn Greenwald: ‘I don’t trust the UK not to arrest me. Their behaviour has been extreme’

theguardian.com

“I’m the victim here!

21 Gus  May 15, 2014 6:40:00pm

The irrational attacks on ex-supporters of the war

…That is why whatever else can be said about pro-war and anti-war advocates, for the vast majority of individuals on both sides, their viewpoints are not a function of bravery or cowardice, a desire to fight rather than surrender to terrorists, or a love of the U.S. versus a hatred for it. Favoring a war that you don’t have to fight in does not require courage, and opposing a war that you won’t have to fight in cannot even remotely be construed as a sign of “cowardice.”

For these reasons, these patriotism and “cowardice” attacks on anti-war converters are patent non-sequiturs. They are designed to smear, not to engage or to debate, and they are based on the false assumption that there is something inherently courageous and patriotic about favoring a prolonged U.S. military occupation and something inherently cowardly and unpatriotic about favoring a withdraw.

But changing one’s mind about the desirability of this war based upon a rational conclusion that it is producing more harm than good for America is not a sign of cowardice nor evidence of a hatred for the U.S. It is a sign of precisely the opposite.

22 FemNaziBitch  May 15, 2014 6:43:43pm

bbl

23 EPR-radar  May 15, 2014 6:44:45pm

re: #21 Gus

That piece by GG seems very rational by GG’s current standards. Was this from the time GG’s views on the Iraq war changed?

24 Gus  May 15, 2014 6:46:32pm

re: #23 EPR-radar

That piece by GG seems very rational by GG’s current standards. Was this from the time GG’s views on the Iraq war changed?

Yep. More or less. Hard to pin-point but somewhere around 2005.

25 Charles Johnson  May 15, 2014 6:51:09pm
26 Charles Johnson  May 15, 2014 6:51:24pm
27 Gus  May 15, 2014 6:51:26pm

The Myth of International Wisdom

In his column this morning, entitled “Replant the American Dream,” Washington Post columnist David Ignatius dramatically laments America’s plummeting popularity around the world, and does so with the standard, now-cliched sentiments which are dutifully trotted out whenever this topic is raised. People in other countries no longer like or respect Americans. They think we’re hypocritical war-mongers who preach standards for other countries which we routinely violate. They despise George Bush and disbelieve everything that he says. They no longer see us as exceptional or different. Accordingly, he patronizingly tells us:

When I lived abroad, Thanksgiving was always my favorite holiday. It was a chance to scrounge up a turkey, gather foreign and American friends, and celebrate what America represented to the world… .

[snip]

It may be beneficial to U.S. interests to have other countries like what we are doing, but being popular in other countries is not an end in itself. The U.S. can and should pursue whatever measures it deems appropriate to protect its national interests. The fact that the populations or governments of other countries perceive those measures to be excessive or unwarranted is to be expected because those countries have different threat perceptions and divergent interests. And, for exactly that reason, their approval or disapproval cannot be used to assess the rightness of, let alone to dictate, American foreign policy.

28 jaunte  May 15, 2014 6:52:47pm

re: #27 Gus

He does go on.

29 Decatur Deb  May 15, 2014 6:52:51pm

re: #20 Justanotherhuman

That was a rhetorical question, right?

Well, here’s your rhetorical answer.

Glenn Greenwald: ‘I don’t trust the UK not to arrest me. Their behaviour has been extreme’

theguardian.com

“I’m the victim here!

He must have cut Lawyer School the day they covered “Extradition Treaty”.

30 EPR-radar  May 15, 2014 6:53:31pm

re: #27 Gus

The disconnect between this position (not too unreasonable, IMO) and GG’s present position that the US should not engage in normal intelligence gathering is enormous.

Some big checks must have cleared.

31 Archangelus  May 15, 2014 6:54:26pm

re: #4 Pie-onist Overlord

This Week’s Pie
THE APPLE PIE
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“I’m sorry, sir, I’m afraid your policy doesn’t cover extensive dental work required on the grounds of ‘biting the computer screen’…” /

32 Charles Johnson  May 15, 2014 6:54:59pm

If I didn’t know better I’d think those posts were by Pat Buchanan.

33 jaunte  May 15, 2014 6:56:09pm
“…The fact that the populations or governments of other countries perceive those measures to be excessive or unwarranted is to be expected because those countries have different threat perceptions and divergent interests.”

That’s a good one.

34 bratwurst  May 15, 2014 6:56:12pm

I arrived home safely from my trip to Turkey last night. I certainly would never claim to be some kind of expert on that country after spending 2 weeks, but here are a few observations I hope you will find interesting:

- LGF seems to be blocked in that country! I was able to access and post while I had satellite internet early in my visit (through my academic hosts), but I never got on once while I was limited to domestic wifi. Twitter worked fine, but YouTube is still blocked as well.

- It seems pretty clear to me that heavy handed tactics like these have been successful in managing the flow of information in the country. On the other hand, I had several different people bemoan that the public was not fully aware of everything that has been going on there in the last year or so. If these people are aware, maybe more people may know than they think?

- The atmosphere in Istanbul was palpably tense on May Day as a number of different protests were taking place, but mellowed almost immediately and I never witnessed heavy police presence.

- Istanbul itself is an awfully fascinating place. It’s truly massive (somewhere between 12 and 20 million people, depending on who you ask or how you measure) and the demographics skew young. I have been fortunate enough to travel fairly extensively, but never before felt like I was really in a place that could be fairly termed “crossroads of the world” until this trip. It is not just the geography (straddling two continents and all), it’s cultural. It will be very familiar to anyone who knows Europe, but exotic at the same time. There is less conspicuous poverty than in a lot of other major cities I have visited.

- I also got to spend a little time in the Aegean costal region around Kusadasi and Izmir. These places have a very different atmosphere. The people seem different as well. Part of this is down to the anticipated big city vs smaller coastal town variations. However, there is also the fact that religion has never been very strong in this part of the country…so the combination of religion and politics hasn’t made much of an impact here either.

- Speaking of Kusadasi, the ancient site of Ephesus is only a short drive away, and really has to be seen. It is bigger, better and more interesting than Pompeii in every possible sense.

- Apologies to CuriousLurker, but I really didn’t get around to much in the way of photos. Between working, rainy weather and visiting with friends from Germany who came down to meet me over the last few days, I just didn’t get around to it. I just don’t have the talent of so many others around here anyway!

- I want to make some kind of conclusion about the situation there, but I am not sure what it would be. There is a kind of cultural tension going on there, but I would tend to question how different it is from the cultural tension in the US and elsewhere. Obviously, the ruling party has taken a slight pivot away from the EU (that is never going to take them in anyway) and toward the middle east…but I honestly don’t see it moving more firmly into that orbit.

35 BongCrodny  May 15, 2014 6:56:47pm

re: #10 Amory Blaine

Ha ha!! Check this GOP primary debate for Idaho governor.

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A few of the YouTube comments are truly awesome.

“Idahodor.”

“This is what you get when you eat nothing but potatoes.”

“AND I WOULD HAVE GOTTEN AWAY WITH IT IF IT WEREN’T FOR YOU DAMN KIDS!”

“White people.”

“No wonder Hemingway committed suicide in Idaho.”

36 Charles Johnson  May 15, 2014 6:57:17pm

Was there a point at which Greenwald actually explained why he renounced his previous right wing opinions?

If there was, I’m not finding it.

37 Gus  May 15, 2014 6:57:49pm
38 Gus  May 15, 2014 6:58:21pm

It is the American perception of the severity and importance of those threats - and not the perception of other countries - which ought to determine America’s response.

39 EPR-radar  May 15, 2014 7:03:02pm

re: #38 Gus

It is the American perception of the severity and importance of those threats - and not the perception of other countries - which ought to determine America’s response.

It should be noted that this by itself doesn’t become crazy unless it is interpreted as a license for American global military hegemony as outlined in that awful Project for a New American Century drivel the Bushies apparently used as a training manual.

40 BongCrodny  May 15, 2014 7:03:08pm

re: #38 Gus

It is the American perception of the severity and importance of those threats - and not the perception of other countries - which ought to determine America’s response.

Let me see if I can decrypt this:

It is the American Republican perception of the severity and importance of those threats - and not the perception of other countries Democrats - which ought to determine America’s response.

Close?

41 Gus  May 15, 2014 7:03:55pm

re: #40 BongCrodny

Let me see if I can decrypt this:

It is the American Republican perception of the severity and importance of those threats - and not the perception of other countries Democrats - which ought to determine America’s response.

Close?

He sure did give Bush more leeway than Obama.

42 Belafon  May 15, 2014 7:03:58pm

re: #36 Charles Johnson

I suspect is has something to do with November, 2008 or January, 2009.

43 HappyWarrior  May 15, 2014 7:04:08pm

re: #38 Gus

It is the American perception of the severity and importance of those threats - and not the perception of other countries - which ought to determine America’s response.

Funny how things are different now huh. Greenwa’d’s a sorry hack. He attacks people for believing things far less black/white minded. He’s not at all like your typical disillusioned leftist who becomes a rightist and treats anyone to the left of center like the reincarnation of Mao.

44 CuriousLurker  May 15, 2014 7:05:46pm

re: #34 bratwurst

Welcome home—it’s good to have you back! {{bratwurst}}

You’re forgiven for the lack of photos, BUT only with the stipulation that you promise to tell us plenty more stories we can use to draw our own pictures in our heads. ;-)

45 Gus  May 15, 2014 7:06:04pm

And when Hersh complains that Bush is inured to “facts,” what he plainly means is that Bush doesn’t accept Hersh’s view of Iraq. In sum, Bush is supposed to know that he has to listen when the Washington press elite speaks, and his refusal to do so means that he is either pathologically stubborn, certifiably crazy, or a religious fanatic beyond any reason. Certain elements on the Left hungrily eat up this cheap and easy caricature.

46 CuriousLurker  May 15, 2014 7:09:32pm

Note to self: You really need to stop getting excited and hugging atheists & Jews—you’re totally ruining the brand. //

47 Justanotherhuman  May 15, 2014 7:10:20pm

re: #38 Gus

It is the American perception of the severity and importance of those threats - and not the perception of other countries - which ought to determine America’s response.

Contrast that to what he said about the Boston bombings.

48 freetoken  May 15, 2014 7:12:05pm

Records fell today faster than elected-Republican support for Cliven Bundy :


RECORD REPORT


SXUS76 KSGX 160023
RERSGX

RECORD EVENT REPORT...FINAL
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SAN DIEGO CA
520 PM PDT THU MAY 15 2014

...HIGHEST MAXIMUM TEMPERATURE RECORDS BROKEN OR TIED ON MAY 15 2014 ...

LOCATION NEW RECORD OLD RECORD PERIOD OF RECORD

SAN DIEGO 97 91 IN 1956 1875
RAMONA 100 94 IN 1997 1974
RIVERSIDE 103 100 IN 2008 1893
SANTA ANA 103 98 IN 1967 1906
NEWPORT BEACH 86 82 IN 1967 1921
LAGUNA BEACH 100 92 IN 1967 1928
ELSINORE 102 100 IN 1905 1897
ESCONDIDO 104 100 IN 1970 1900
ALPINE 101 95 IN 1967 1952
EL CAJON 104 97 IN 1997 1979


...HIGHEST MINIMUM TEMPERATURE RECORDS BROKEN OR TIED ON MAY 15 2014 ...

LOCATION NEW RECORD OLD RECORD PERIOD OF RECORD

SANTA ANA 68 64 IN 1996 1906
NEWPORT BEACH 65 64 IN 1996 1921
SAN DIEGO 70 66 IN 1996 1914
RIVERSIDE 62 TIED 62 IN 1993 1893
ESCONDIDO 62 61 IN 1931 1900

49 HappyWarrior  May 15, 2014 7:12:13pm

re: #45 Gus

And when Hersh Greenwald complains that Bush Obama is inured to “facts,” what he plainly means is that Bush Obama doesn’t accept Greenwald’sHersh’s view of Iraq. In sum, ObamaBush is supposed to know that he has to listen when the Washington press elite speaks, and his refusal to do so means that he is either pathologically stubborn, certifiably crazy, or a religious fanatic beyond any reason. Certain elements on the Left Right hungrily eat up this cheap and easy caricature.

Now try saying that to Glenn and expect not to get shouted down as a jingoistic America fuck yeah type.

50 Gus  May 15, 2014 7:16:19pm

re: #47 Justanotherhuman

Contrast that to what he said about the Boston bombings.

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51 HappyWarrior  May 15, 2014 7:17:28pm

I mean people are allowed to change their minds but it’s the fact that Greenwald attacks people for having much milder opinions on executive power than he ever did.

52 Decatur Deb  May 15, 2014 7:18:18pm

re: #46 CuriousLurker

Note to self: You really need to stop getting excited and hugging atheists & Jews—you’re totally ruining the brand. //

Read Lorca from 2 days ago—your peeps are mentioned.

53 EPR-radar  May 15, 2014 7:20:24pm

re: #45 Gus

And when Hersh complains that Bush is inured to “facts,” what he plainly means is that Bush doesn’t accept Hersh’s view of Iraq. In sum, Bush is supposed to know that he has to listen when the Washington press elite speaks, and his refusal to do so means that he is either pathologically stubborn, certifiably crazy, or a religious fanatic beyond any reason. Certain elements on the Left hungrily eat up this cheap and easy caricature.

Surely there must be old GG columns from after his conversion in which he criticized Bush along precisely the lines dismissed here as a ‘caricature’.

54 Gus  May 15, 2014 7:21:52pm

re: #53 EPR-radar

Surely there must be old GG columns from after his conversion in which he criticized Bush along precisely the lines dismissed here as a ‘caricature’.

Ayep.

55 Gus  May 15, 2014 7:22:28pm
56 Justanotherhuman  May 15, 2014 7:22:41pm

re: #54 Gus

Ayep.

It’s almost as though he stood himself on his own head.

57 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 15, 2014 7:24:01pm

welp, I’m not holding up my sleep time waiting for Katie the hatchling to respond to anyone in the thread she dumped in.

nite all!

58 Justanotherhuman  May 15, 2014 7:25:57pm

My grandson just called and asked me what happened in China in 1989 (seems he was listening to a talk show).

Tiananmen Square, of course, which we discussed for a few minutes.

Happened the year before he was born.

59 Justanotherhuman  May 15, 2014 7:28:08pm

Damn.

Firefighters find badly burned body in a Carlsbad, Calif., during wildfire hot spot check, city says - @CecilliaVegaABC via @ABC
End of alert

But good news.

All evacuations in Carlsbad, Calif., have been lifted - @10News
see original on twitter.com

60 EPR-radar  May 15, 2014 7:28:30pm

re: #55 Gus

Of course, these two positions can be reconciled easily enough if it is admitted that US policy making should include foreign perceptions of US actions as one of several factors to consider when deciding foreign policy issues.

61 Gus  May 15, 2014 7:29:01pm

Equally persuasive was the argument that a disarmed citizenry is more vulnerable not only to criminals but to government tyranny as well. In a country with a (relatively recent) history of military dictatorships and state repression, the argument that firearms played a crucial role in some of the 20th Century’s most glorified citizen-led fights for freedom — in Tiananman Square in China, by Nelson Mandela in South Africa, and by various repressed populations in World War II — resonated loudly. Brazilians concluded that they were in far greater danger giving up the right to bear arms than they were in keeping that right. — GG

The protesters were armed in “Tiananman” [sic] Square?

62 Gus  May 15, 2014 7:29:23pm

re: #60 EPR-radar

Of course, these two positions can be reconciled easily enough if it is admitted that US policy making should include foreign perceptions of US actions as one of several factors to consider when deciding foreign policy issues.

Like do both. :D

63 bratwurst  May 15, 2014 7:30:04pm

re: #44 CuriousLurker

Welcome home—it’s good to have you back! {{bratwurst}}

You’re forgiven for the lack of photos, BUT only with the stipulation that you promise to tell us plenty more stories we can use to draw our own pictures in our heads. ;-)

Thanks!

One story I can share is in the form of a warning to travelers: do not attempt to make a tight connection at the Frankfurt airport when arriving from Turkey. Security in Istanbul is admirably tight, a security checkpoint where all bags, are x-rayed before check-in, then ANOTHER checkpoint before entering the gate area. Even so, yesterday my flight first faced a “visual inspection” (ie profiling) from German border police where each and every person taking the stairs off of the plane was eyeballed together with his or her passport. Then we were whisked by bus to another security checkpoint before I was allowed into the transit area to scramble to the distant gate for my flight on to Chicago (how distant? literally it was the end of the Z terminal!) with about 90 seconds to spare.

64 Gus  May 15, 2014 7:31:48pm

Basically one takes a dynamic approach. The center of the road so to speak.

65 Decatur Deb  May 15, 2014 7:33:14pm

re: #61 Gus

Equally persuasive was the argument that a disarmed citizenry is more vulnerable not only to criminals but to government tyranny as well. In a country with a (relatively recent) history of military dictatorships and state repression, the argument that firearms played a crucial role in some of the 20th Century’s most glorified citizen-led fights for freedom — in Tiananman Square in China, by Nelson Mandela in South Africa, and by various repressed populations in World War II — resonated loudly. Brazilians concluded that they were in far greater danger giving up the right to bear arms than they were in keeping that right. — GG

The protesters were armed in “Tiananman” [sic] Square?

He was on a roll.

66 Justanotherhuman  May 15, 2014 7:33:35pm

re: #61 Gus

Equally persuasive was the argument that a disarmed citizenry is more vulnerable not only to criminals but to government tyranny as well. In a country with a (relatively recent) history of military dictatorships and state repression, the argument that firearms played a crucial role in some of the 20th Century’s most glorified citizen-led fights for freedom — in Tiananman Square in China, by Nelson Mandela in South Africa, and by various repressed populations in World War II — resonated loudly. Brazilians concluded that they were in far greater danger giving up the right to bear arms than they were in keeping that right. — GG

The protesters were armed in “Tiananman” [sic] Square?

No, but the People’s Liberation Army sure was.

67 ObserverArt  May 15, 2014 7:34:32pm

re: #16 FemNaziBitch

HA!

NAH!

/// …just a bit sexist! Of course, I’m not married and an artist. ; )

68 Charles Johnson  May 15, 2014 7:34:36pm
69 Gus  May 15, 2014 7:37:04pm

Greenwald finally cashing in as predicted.

70 Killgore Trout  May 15, 2014 7:38:45pm

Hillary Clinton Celebrates the Iran Sanctions That Her State Department Tried to Stop
Meh. People seem to overlook that the Dept o State does not pursue its own foreign policy agenda. All the given examples were white house policy, not Hillary’s personal judgment.

71 Charles Johnson  May 15, 2014 7:48:31pm

The greatest commercial ever made, back on the web at last.

Youtube Video

72 NJDhockeyfan  May 15, 2014 7:51:55pm

Evening lizards!

Here is an Amazon customer review of Greenwalds new book:

The rest of the story…, May 14, 2014
By AmishRakeFight
This review is from: No Place to Hide: Edward Snowden, the NSA, and the U.S. Surveillance State (Hardcover)

Before you purchase this book, allow me to save you some time and money: “The U.S. Government already possesses the power to do whatever it wants, whenever it wants, to whomever it wants.” (h/t […]). For more reasons why you should not buy this book, read on.

Greenwald once harshly criticized Bill Keller and the New York Times for holding off on publishing a story on President Bush’s warrant-less wiretapping program for a year. He cites this as a prime example of establishment media subservience. And yet with this book, Greenwald commits the same deplorable act: withholding vital information from the public for nearly a year for his own selfish gain. Please don’t support Greenwald’s profiteering from the Snowden leaks by purchasing this book.

Indeed, Greenwald has quite adeptly risen in wealth and prestige in the last several months, all thanks to Snowden giving him sole custody of public documents detailing crimes against the global public, which Glenn happily treated as his intellectual property, instead of information the public had a right to know. He has now received funding from one of the richest men in the world, and the ink had barely dried on their contract before Glenn was busily lying for and whitewashing his crony billionaire funder’s past, including Omidyar’s culpability in the financial stranglehold of Wikileaks.

When Greenwald tells the story of Snowden, there’s a critical part he leaves out. From the first video interview where Snowden’s identity is revealed, Snowden compared himself to Chelsea Manning (the Cablegate whistle-blower) is a dishonest way that cast an unfavorable view on Manning. Rather than repudiate this, Greenwald repeatedly engaged in similar dishonest comparisons at Manning’s expense - all at the critical time when Manning was in trial and facing decades in prison. Since the initial comments, Greenwlad has also dishonestly and unfavorably compared the tactics of Snowden/Greenwald to Manning/Wikileaks. Of course, this goes unmentioned in the book as Greenwald is too busy placing Snowden on the highest pedestal possible, while Chelsea Manning sits in a prison cell.

The bottom line is that Greenwald’s priority since he first received the leaks has been to profit off of them and raise his own status. Helping activists combat the spying practices of the NSA, using the leaks to damage the entire surveillance state establishment, protecting Chelsea Manning at a very vulnerable moment - nah, there’s no time for these subtleties in Glenn’s mind. After all, one doesn’t win Polk Awards and Pulitzer Prizes, get fabulously wealthy, get interviews on the Today show, and get funding to start a new media enterprise by actually threatening the surveillance state, now do they?

Ask yourself, do you really need to buy Glenn’s book so he can tell you things you already know/suspect, and thus further enable his profiteering from the leaks and reward his deplorable behavior?

73 Bear  May 15, 2014 7:53:22pm

Many years ago I liked the silly bear on the Land of Sky Blue Waters. Was it for Hamms Beer? Actually the ad was better than the program I thought.

74 NJDhockeyfan  May 15, 2014 7:58:32pm

re: #73 Bear

Many years ago I liked the silly bear on the Land of Sky Blue Waters. Was it for Hamms Beer? Actually the ad was better than the program I thought.

The beer companies always have great commercials. The old
Lite beer commercials were the best.

Youtube Video

75 NJDhockeyfan  May 15, 2014 8:02:08pm
77 Kragar  May 15, 2014 8:12:13pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

Jeb Bush says U.S. teenagers behind Ireland, Poland and Vietnam in math and science

If only we didn’t have an entire political party pushing the bible as a science textbook

78 Gus  May 15, 2014 8:16:12pm

™

79 Kragar  May 15, 2014 8:16:20pm

Boy, sure am glad we didn’t do anything stupid like investing in infrastructure and desalinization tech to prepare for this kind of thing

80 Gus  May 15, 2014 8:16:29pm

Oops.

81 NJDhockeyfan  May 15, 2014 8:22:28pm
82 freetoken  May 15, 2014 8:36:03pm

It’s been quite the year so far:

83 freetoken  May 15, 2014 8:37:07pm

We are turning into central Baja.

Which was predicted, btw.

But not by Marco Rubio.

84 Alyosha  May 15, 2014 8:54:15pm

Did I finally catch up only to kill the thread? Haha

85 b_sharp  May 15, 2014 9:08:00pm

re: #84 Alyosha

Did I finally catch up only to kill the thread? Haha

Nah.
This is our traditional Thursday night dead thread.

86 jaunte  May 15, 2014 9:08:50pm

Riley: They are going to be there and we will be presenting grievances and our demands. We will wait, we will be there, we will interrupt the traffic, we will interrupt the commerce.

Colmes: You’re going to stop the traffic flow, you’re going to stop commerce.

Riley: Mhmm.

Colmes: You’re going to get in the way of the ingress and egress of people going about their daily business and really get in the way of citizens who through no fault of their own are just happen to be going about their daily lives, right?

Riley: That’s the way it is when we’re pursuing freedom and liberty for all.

Colmes: So you are actually threatening obstruction?

Riley: What I’m saying is, we’re going to shut the city down. You can call it what you want but we’re going to do it in a peaceful, non-violent, unarmed manner of citizens expressing our disgust with the deceit, the betrayal and the lies the government has been feeding us the last five years.

Colmes: What’s your plan to stop traffic? How are you going to do that?

Riley: We’re going to have to be in the streets, that’s how we stop it.

Colmes: You’re going to be standing in the streets stopping traffic?

Riley: Absolutely.

87 Alyosha  May 15, 2014 9:22:05pm

re: #85 b_sharp

Plus I guess people will be busy toppling the government tomorrow, a bit of shuteye is in order.

Me, I’m already sitting in my bunker wearing my tricorn hat and sipping my illegally stilled whiskey waiting for the new Year Zero calendars to get here.

88 b_sharp  May 15, 2014 9:22:57pm

re: #87 Alyosha

Plus I guess people will be busy toppling the government tomorrow, a bit of shuteye is in order.

Me, I’m already sitting in my bunker wearing my tricorn hat and sipping my illegally stilled whiskey waiting for the new Year Zero calendars to get here.

Good idea.

89 Kragar  May 15, 2014 9:25:33pm

re: #87 Alyosha

Plus I guess people will be busy toppling the government tomorrow, a bit of shuteye is in order.

Me, I’m already sitting in my bunker wearing my tricorn hat and sipping my illegally stilled whiskey waiting for the new Year Zero calendars to get here.

Let us not forget the real importance of tomorrow

90 Single-handed sailor  May 15, 2014 9:28:08pm

re: #85 b_sharp

Nah.
This is our traditional Thursday night dead thread.

“I don’t want to go on the cart.”

91 Rightwingconspirator  May 15, 2014 9:49:00pm

re: #85 b_sharp

Nah.
This is our traditional Thursday night dead thread.

92 Kragar  May 15, 2014 9:52:27pm

What OAS thinks is going to happen tomorrow:

Youtube Video

What everyone else thinks is going to happen:

Youtube Video

93 Rightwingconspirator  May 15, 2014 9:52:36pm

Insomnia is a bitch.

94 b_sharp  May 15, 2014 9:53:14pm

re: #93 Rightwingconspirator

Insomnia is a bitch.

Stop talking, I’m trying to sleep.

95 Kragar  May 15, 2014 10:08:03pm
96 Floral Giraffe  May 15, 2014 10:27:24pm

re: #48 freetoken

Yes it was, and still is Fing hot.

97 Lidane  May 15, 2014 10:30:17pm
98 Kragar  May 15, 2014 10:35:05pm

re: #96 Floral Giraffe

Yes it was, and still is Fing hot.

Its 80 here right now

99 Lidane  May 15, 2014 10:42:47pm

Don’t argue with idiots:

Youtube Video

100 freetoken  May 15, 2014 11:37:48pm

MP3 Audio

101 Kragar  May 16, 2014 12:13:03am

Its been 4 years since we lost Dio, and he still has the perfect song for Operation American Spring.

You’ve nothing to say
Oh, they’re breaking away
If you listen to fools

Youtube Video

102 freetoken  May 16, 2014 12:39:18am

April 2014 was a very warm month:

That uses the usual 30 year baseline to calculate the “anomaly”.

If you want a longer period, here is a 50 hear base:

Or how about an 80 year baseline, in which case the anomaly becomes more noticeable yet?

Yes, it’s getting warmer.

103 Kragar  May 16, 2014 12:46:20am
104 Kragar  May 16, 2014 12:59:32am
105 freetoken  May 16, 2014 1:08:55am

Ah yes, it’s election time, and nothing is funner to watch than a GOP primary debate.

In this case, it’s for governor of Idaho:

This GOP primary debate for Idaho governor is so bonkers, we don’t know where to start

[…]

The debate for Idaho governor was so crazy and colorful, we don’t know where to start.

So we will just start from the beginning.

Brown opened by complaining about taxes — nothing unusual for a political debate. He then remarked that “the child is the father of the man” — quoting the poet William Wordsworth — and claimed that after leaving the military, God told him he would one day be commander-in-chief. “Don’t think I’m crazy, because I’m not,” he assured all of Idaho.

Brown was followed by Bayes, who bragged that he was jailed for homeschooling and had 77 descendants. The GOP candidate explained he wanted to become governor so that he could stop abortion, since he didn’t want to follow the Supreme Court to hell.

[…]

Brown told the moderator he made fun of bikers and the Irish, too. The jokes, he explained, were meant to attack the “bondage” of political correctness. “I hit everybody,” he remarked. “I’m about as politically correct as your proverbial turd in a punch-bowl, and I’m proud of it.” He wanted to connect with real voters, not the “bondage” people — who apparently are ignorant about “picking up strangers at night and hauling them God knows where.”

The moderators gave Bayes a chance to pontificate further on his view of abortion. But instead of talking about the issue, he complained that his TV talked to him about homeschooling for hours and he threatened to shoot anyone who tried to take away his children. Bayes said that — like Brown — he didn’t care about political correctness. He finally got around to the issue of abortion, calling it murder, before the moderators moved on.

[…]

Brown said that after God told him he was going to be president, he got the presidential seal tattooed on his shoulder and launched his presidential campaign. Unfortunately, that campaign got him kicked out of the basement he was living in. Brown showed a note from an alleged prophet that stated the conversation with God was the real deal. He explained he was only running for governor because he needed practice.

[…]

Here, watch it for yourself. There’s almost something Fargo-esque about the whole affair:

Youtube Video

Youtube Video

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Youtube Video

Youtube Video
(goes full JBS in that one)

Youtube Video

106 freetoken  May 16, 2014 1:09:42am

Love that closing remark.

107 freetoken  May 16, 2014 1:14:39am

Cry for me Idaho.

108 freetoken  May 16, 2014 1:23:06am

GOP debates are a performance art of their own genre.

109 palomino  May 16, 2014 2:04:41am

re: #105 freetoken

Totally surreal. A crazy biker, an even crazier old guy, and two suits.

Like an SNL sketch. But from a few years ago, when the show was funny.

110 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 16, 2014 2:05:09am

re: #105 freetoken

Stranger than fiction

111 Justanotherhuman  May 16, 2014 3:24:55am

re: #108 freetoken

re: #110 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

OK, there are 3 of us here now.

The thread can now wake the hell up. : )

112 Targetpractice  May 16, 2014 3:28:42am

re: #111 Justanotherhuman

OK, there are 3 of us here now.

The thread can now wake the hell up. : )

*yawn* Five more minutes…

113 Justanotherhuman  May 16, 2014 3:58:20am

Why health care is so expensive, cont.

My grandson came in from work a few minutes ago and said his last stop was N Augusta, SC, which is a 3 hr trip back to his home base (with no other stops), to deliver 10 tabs of Mucinex, an OTC medication.

I said, why didn’t the nursing home just get some from a local pharmacy? They said they couldn’t do that because it was “prescribed” by the attending physician as a palliative for a dying patient.

So, the original OTC probably was billed 10x what it’s worth or whatever method was used to recoup the cost of driving there.

114 ObserverArt  May 16, 2014 4:12:02am

re: #109 palomino

Totally surreal. A crazy biker, an even crazier old guy, and two suits.

Like an SNL sketch. But from a few years ago, when the show was funny.

Morning all!

Not making fun of you palomino…but I was just thinking about your comment and how many times I’ve heard it or something similar about SNL.

The program is almost 40 years old now, and since about the mid-80s every year or so someone says SNL isn’t as funny as it used to be, and the show goes on…and on.

It sure has its ups and downs, but in a way I am thankful we still have a live TV sketch show like it. And think of all the people it has spun into larger careers over those almost 40 years.

It sure has been a time marker…and I am not as young as I used to be a few years ago. Sigh.

115 Decatur Deb  May 16, 2014 4:19:04am

re: #114 ObserverArt

Morning all!

Not making fun of you palomino…but I was just thinking about your comment and how many times I’ve heard it or something similar about SNL.

The program is almost 40 years old now, and since about the mid-80s every year or so someone says SNL isn’t as funny as it used to be, and the show goes on…and on.

It sure has its ups and downs, but in a way I am thankful we still have a live TV sketch show like it. And think of all the people it has spun into larger careers over those almost 40 years.

It sure has been a time marker…and I am not as young as I used to be a few years ago. Sigh.

When SNL was funny, it had bees, and Muppets.

Image: landofgorch-scred.jpg

116 Decatur Deb  May 16, 2014 4:20:11am

re: #113 Justanotherhuman

Why health care is so expensive, cont.

My grandson came in from work a few minutes ago and said his last stop was N Augusta, SC, which is a 3 hr trip back to his home base (with no other stops), to deliver 10 tabs of Mucinex, an OTC medication.

I said, why didn’t the nursing home just get some from a local pharmacy? They said they couldn’t do that because it was “prescribed” by the attending physician as a palliative for a dying patient.

So, the original OTC probably was billed 10x what it’s worth or whatever method was used to recoup the cost of driving there.

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Noticing that your rant and mine aren’t about care, but about racking up transportation costs.

117 Justanotherhuman  May 16, 2014 4:20:56am

This is just Britain, one of the richest countries in the world, where school is usually finished at age 16. What about in the US and other countries, and what is it like for youth in developing countries, esp those torn by conflict and wars? What a horrible situation, allowing our children to suffer when they haven’t yet begun to mature and live a fulfilling life of some sort? Even a “job” vs a “career” is preferable to feeling like a supplicant with no options.

Contrary to the opinion in some quarters that kids just want to have fun and be entertained, young people want to feel useful, to find their place and a meaning to life. With a changing job scenario, though, it’s becoming far more expensive to further an education and to find work at all. Community involvement—it does “take a village”—local efforts, should always be employed along with state and national programs to get our kids where they should be and to prevent self-destructive behavior.

If you’re not raising a child, mentor one.

Young people ‘feel they have nothing to live for’

bbc.com

“As many as three quarters of a million young people in the UK may feel that they have nothing to live for, a study for the Prince’s Trust charity claims.

“The trust says almost a third of long-term unemployed young people have contemplated taking their own lives.

(snip)

“Last month, figures from the Office for National Statistics showed the UK unemployment rate had fallen to its lowest level since 2009, with the number of people out of work falling by 99,000 to 2.39 million in the three months to October.” More

118 Decatur Deb  May 16, 2014 4:21:54am

re: #105 freetoken

Ah yes, it’s election time, and nothing is funner to watch than a GOP primary debate.

In this case, it’s for governor of Idaho:

This GOP primary debate for Idaho governor is so bonkers, we don’t know where to start

Here, watch it for yourself. There’s almost something Fargo-esque about the whole affair:

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There has to come a moment when the GOP suits sit back and say “We’ve got to knock this shit off.”

119 Dr Lizardo  May 16, 2014 4:26:58am

re: #118 Decatur Deb

There has to come a moment when the GOP suits sit back and say “We’ve got to knock this shit off.”

You’d think that would be the case; sadly, I think they have a ways to go before they hit rock-bottom.

120 Targetpractice  May 16, 2014 4:28:58am

re: #118 Decatur Deb

There has to come a moment when the GOP suits sit back and say “We’ve got to knock this shit off.”

Thing is, I’m not sure they’ve yet to approach critical mass. And we should remember that, in the wake of Citizens United and the following court cases, that the conservatives in the courts have begun to basically dismantle campaign finance reform in this country. As a result, all those big money groups which are little more than money laundering for the 1% are pumping money into any dopey fucker who’ll stand on stage and declare that he’s a “true conservative.” It’s like some deranged version of Mr. Smith Goes To Washington.

121 Justanotherhuman  May 16, 2014 4:34:10am

re: #118 Decatur Deb

There has to come a moment when the GOP suits sit back and say “We’ve got to knock this shit off.”

The crazies won’t stand for that.

122 ObserverArt  May 16, 2014 4:34:20am

Ha…this goes to some of the comments we’ve had around here.

The Today show did a piece on the rejection of college commencement speakers. I think they said there have been 20+ this year that have caused controversy. They wondered if it is good or just shows a growing lack of tolerance for ‘other’ views. Also, what can you learn from those that just confirm your views.

The head of Smith college was quoted as saying it is very troubling that students would be so opposed to views and does not bode well.

It reminds me of what I think about the change in media when Fox news rolled out their ‘fair and balanced’ BS that is anything but fair and balanced. I’ve always thought facts had nothing to do with Fox and all you are doing is listening to a bunch of boosters that confirm the views of its audience no matter how right or wrong those views are.

I made the point the other day that a commencement is just a commencement and no speaker is asking you to sign your name in blood to become what you don’t want to become, and no commencement speaker ever harmed a graduate as far as I know.

That and the nuns taught me (or beat into me) tolerance for all views and how to be respectful of people right to speak no matter what you think.

I know many think it is the kids right, but what if one group might be just louder than others and gets a speaker dumped when others might not mind hearing from them?

I find it all sad, especially among young people that are really just starting to learn. And really how many times does politics or even lifestyle enter into the sort of cliche “go out and kick you some ass” speeches that are usually the theme?

123 Pie-onist Overlord  May 16, 2014 4:36:51am

AirBnB is offering its services free of charge to people displaced by the San Diego fires.

124 ObserverArt  May 16, 2014 4:37:06am

re: #115 Decatur Deb

When SNL was funny, it had bees, and Muppets.

Image: landofgorch-scred.jpg

Never forget the Land Shark at the door delivery Candygrams!

125 Pie-onist Overlord  May 16, 2014 4:37:49am
126 Pie-onist Overlord  May 16, 2014 4:38:35am

I’m watching the #tcot feed on Twitter. Nothing about “American Spring”

127 Decatur Deb  May 16, 2014 4:39:36am

re: #126 Pie-onist Overlord

I’m watching the #tcot feed on Twitter. Nothing about “American Spring”

The revolution has been postponed, due to weather.

128 Justanotherhuman  May 16, 2014 4:40:24am

re: #122 ObserverArt

Ha…this goes to some of the comments we’ve had around here.

The Today show did a piece on the rejection of college commencement speakers. I think they said there have been 20+ this year that have caused controversy. They wondered if it is good or just shows a growing lack of tolerance for ‘other’ views. Also, what can you learn from those that just confirm your views.

The head of Smith college was quoted as saying it is very troubling that students would be so opposed to views and does not bode well.

It reminds me of what I think about the change in media when Fox news rolled out their ‘fair and balanced’ BS that is anything but fair and balanced. I’ve always thought facts had nothing to do with Fox and all you are doing is listening to a bunch of boosters that confirm the views of its audience no matter how right or wrong those views are.

I made the point the other day that a commencement is just a commencement and no speaker is asking you to sign your name in blood to become what you don’t want to become, and no commencement speaker ever harmed a graduate as far as I know.

That and the nuns taught me (or beat into me) tolerance for all views and how to be respectful of people right to speak no matter what you think.

I know many think it is the kids right, but what if one group might be just louder than others and gets a speaker dumped when others might not mind hearing from them?

I find it all sad, especially among young people that are really just starting to learn. And really how many times does politics or even lifestyle enter into the sort of cliche “go out and kick you some ass” speeches that are usually the theme?

Even though I don’t agree with Rice’s political views and her rather stand-offish demeanor, you have to admire her journey from being raised in the south as a Black woman and what she achieved in life. Self-discipline (not to be confused with “self-denial”) is one of the hardest things to instill in a kid.

129 Pie-onist Overlord  May 16, 2014 4:41:31am

re: #127 Decatur Deb

The revolution has been postponed, due to weather.

I just saw some Tweets scroll past.

Oh wait, it’s just some LIBRULS making fun of the teaturds.

130 Targetpractice  May 16, 2014 4:41:37am

Thing to keep in mind, as Charlie Pierce noted yesterday, is that the nutters we saw in Idaho this week are not something new. Consider the GOP 2012 presidential hopefuls, where we had a woman who was telling people that vaccinations cause autism, a guy who said he couldn’t be bothered by what was happening in Uzbeki-beki-stan, a guy who’s convinced Iran wants to set off a nuke to bring forth the 12th Imam, a guy who thinks that Democrats are trying to turn America into a communist nation run by Islam…and Mitt Romney. And yet we’re supposed to pretend this were serious contenders, normal politicians, rather than the rejects from a psych ward.

131 Decatur Deb  May 16, 2014 4:41:51am

Book News: Rush Limbaugh Wins Children’s Book ‘Author Of The Year’ Award

npr.org

I was rooting for the Ron Jeremy fold-out/pop-up biography.

132 ObserverArt  May 16, 2014 4:42:02am

re: #126 Pie-onist Overlord

I’m watching the #tcot feed on Twitter. Nothing about “American Spring”

What??? You’d think at 7:30 or so in the morning DC would be grinding to a halt with all the patriots moving into the city to shut down the government.

They just don’t make Patriots like they used to!

Sort of how SNL used to be funny…

133 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 16, 2014 4:42:44am

re: #117 Justanotherhuman

Consider in China there are more than 7 million college graduates looking for work this year. Not all of them are going to find work either. A couple of my graduating seniors have taken jobs in Tanzania at a Chinese oil firm for very cushy salaries (by Chinese standards) because the pickings in China are not that wonderful — low pay and long hours sitting at computers trying to sell shit to the rest of the world.

134 ObserverArt  May 16, 2014 4:44:40am

re: #130 Targetpractice

Thing to keep in mind, as Charlie Pierce noted yesterday, is that the nutters we saw in Idaho this week are not something new. Consider the GOP 2012 presidential hopefuls, where we had a woman who was telling people that vaccinations cause autism, a guy who said he couldn’t be bothered by what was happening in Uzbeki-beki-stan, a guy who’s convinced Iran wants to set off a nuke to bring forth the 12th Imam, a guy who thinks that Democrats are trying to turn America into a communist nation run by Islam…and Mitt Romney. And yet we’re supposed to pretend this were serious contenders, normal politicians, rather than the rejects from a psych ward.

And then there was John Huntsman. Who many times had the look on his face like “WTF” is the crap? I gotta get out of here in case some of this gets on me.

135 Targetpractice  May 16, 2014 4:45:57am

re: #134 ObserverArt

And then there was John Huntsman. Who many times had the look on his face like “WTF” is the crap? I gotta get out of her in case some of this gets on me.

Oh, and Crazy Uncle Liberty, a guy who actually looked dumbfounded for a second when the audience responded to the question of whether a man without the ability to pay should be denied medical care with a resounding “YES!”

136 Decatur Deb  May 16, 2014 4:49:31am

It’s 43 degrees in Lower Alabama, with an expected high of 77. Should have called it “Global Weirding” from the start.

137 Justanotherhuman  May 16, 2014 4:49:40am

re: #131 Decatur Deb

Book News: Rush Limbaugh Wins Children’s Book ‘Author Of The Year’ Award

npr.org

I was rooting for the Ron Jeremy fold-out/pop-up biography.

Evidently, it’s all about the sales and having children vote, children no doubt influenced by their Limbaugh-loving parents:

“Although the book has never been a critical favorite — accused it of “disdain for even the most rudimentary standards of storytelling” — it has been an enormous commercial success. Four finalists for the award were chosen because of their places on bestseller lists, and the winner was chosen by children’s votes.”

138 Decatur Deb  May 16, 2014 4:51:00am

re: #137 Justanotherhuman

Evidently, it’s all about the sales and having children vote, children no doubt influenced by their Limbaugh-loving parents:

“Although the book has never been a critical favorite — accused it of “disdain for even the most rudimentary standards of storytelling” — it has been an enormous commercial success. Four finalists for the award were chosen because of their places on bestseller lists, and the winner was chosen by children’s votes.”

It was probably mass-purchased for bedtime reading at CPAC.

139 ObserverArt  May 16, 2014 4:51:12am

re: #135 Targetpractice

Oh, and Crazy Uncle Liberty, a guy who actually looked dumbfounded for a second when the audience responded to the question of whether a man without the ability to pay should be denied medical care with a resounding “YES!”

Yeah the look of…these people are nuttier than I am, and that takes a whole hell of a lot!

By the way…I went and corrected my comment you quoted. I meant to type ‘here’ instead of ‘her’ and of course spell checker is worthless in that case. I sure don’t want it to come off like Huntsman was saying get out of ‘her’ as her would be Bachmann and getting out of her is brain bleach material!

140 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 16, 2014 4:55:25am

It’s not only Ukraine that has a problem with politicians lining their pockets. Here’s the latest corruption bust in China:

Wei Pengyuan, vice director of the National Energy Administration’s coal department, was arrested on suspicion of corruption after authorities found more than 100 million yuan in cash stacked up at his home in Beijing, Caixin reported yesterday.

Just to give you a feel, the massive haul of cash uncovered by investigators took 16 mechanical bill counters to be tabulated—and four of the machines burned out while counting.

The bills weighed more than a ton, according to this Shanghaiist digest of several news reports.

China’s new president, Xi Jinping, started off his term vowing to root out corruption among high officials. These busts have uncovered illegal, but very sumptuous real estate holdings and piles and piles of cash like this one that can’t be socked away in a bank, can’t be smuggled out of the country, and can’t be exchanged for hard currencies, or now, even Bitcoin. Some bills have gotten moldy, and are therefore unusable.

Imagine sitting on millions and not being to spend it. Could you be considered rich?

141 Justanotherhuman  May 16, 2014 4:59:00am

California Fire usually responds to an average 700 fires from January to mid-May, but this year battled almost 1,400 to date - @latimes
Read more on latimes.com re: #140 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

It’s not only Ukraine that has a problem with politicians lining their pockets. Here’s the latest corruption bust in China:

The bills weighed more than a ton, according to this Shanghaiist digest of several news reports.

China’s new president, Xi Jinping, started off his term vowing to root out corruption among high officials. These busts have uncovered illegal, but very sumptuous real estate holdings and piles and piles of cash like this one that can’t be socked away in a bank, can’t be smuggled out of the country, and can’t be exchanged for hard currencies, or now, even Bitcoin. Some bills have gotten moldy, and are therefore unusable.

Imagine sitting on millions and not being to spend it. Could you be considered rich?

Proving that money is indeed fungible and full of fungus.

142 ObserverArt  May 16, 2014 5:00:08am

re: #140 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

It’s not only Ukraine that has a problem with politicians lining their pockets. Here’s the latest corruption bust in China:

The bills weighed more than a ton, according to this Shanghaiist digest of several news reports.

China’s new president, Xi Jinping, started off his term vowing to root out corruption among high officials. These busts have uncovered illegal, but very sumptuous real estate holdings and piles and piles of cash like this one that can’t be socked away in a bank, can’t be smuggled out of the country, and can’t be exchanged for hard currencies, or now, even Bitcoin. Some bills have gotten moldy, and are therefore unusable.

Imagine sitting on millions and not being to spend it. Could you be considered rich?

Oh that is just what they caught him with. They must have missed the rather huge stacks of Rush Limbaugh’s Rush Revere and the Brave Pilgrims: Time-Travel Adventures With Exceptional Americans book for kids he already bought!

143 Decatur Deb  May 16, 2014 5:00:28am

re: #140 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

In a Scrooge McDuck sort of way.

Image: money-scrooge-mcduck-dive-money.jpg

144 Justanotherhuman  May 16, 2014 5:02:52am

re: #138 Decatur Deb

It was probably mass-purchased for bedtime reading at CPAC.

Ah yes, memories of the Palin “best sellers”…buy a sub to WND and get one free! among other schemes.

145 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 16, 2014 5:03:13am

re: #143 Decatur Deb

In a Scrooge McDuck sort of way.

Image: money-scrooge-mcduck-dive-money.jpg

Except Scrooge McDuck didn’t mind people knowing he had piles of loot. These officials kept their loot secret even from their own families, hiding it within walls, buried in the ground, wrapped in plastic bags and kept in empty apartments. Seriously, they were not especially clever in concealing their treasures.

146 Targetpractice  May 16, 2014 5:03:37am

So, has the “American Spring” begun? Because I look at the spring out my window and…well, yeah…

147 Dr. Matt  May 16, 2014 5:04:23am

Any news from the battlefront? Has the usurper-n-thief been arrested yet?

148 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 16, 2014 5:05:30am

re: #147 Dr. Matt

Any news from the battlefront? Has the usurper-n-thief been arrested yet?

He called up NOAA and ordered rain for the weekend. So, he’s still in office.

149 Floral Giraffe  May 16, 2014 5:06:06am

re: #113 Justanotherhuman

re: #116 Decatur Deb

Do you know, that transportation costs are deductable expenses? Well, they are! The time & energy sucks though…

150 Justanotherhuman  May 16, 2014 5:07:51am

re: #136 Decatur Deb

It’s 43 degrees in Lower Alabama, with an expected high of 77. Should have called it “Global Weirding” from the start.

Yeah, 53 here with a high of 75. It’s going to be in the 70s for the next few days, up until Wed with 82, very pleasant, spring temps, which is great since I have to make a couple of trips to Charlotte.

However, next Thurs and Fri? Highs of 100 predicted and partly cloudy which means high humidity as well. Fuck.

151 Decatur Deb  May 16, 2014 5:08:07am

re: #147 Dr. Matt

Any news from the battlefront? Has the usurper-n-thief been arrested yet?

Expectations have been dampened.

oas2014.com

152 BongCrodny  May 16, 2014 5:08:11am

re: #131 Decatur Deb

Book News: Rush Limbaugh Wins Children’s Book ‘Author Of The Year’ Award

npr.org

I was rooting for the Ron Jeremy fold-out/pop-up biography.

And the nominees are:

— Jeff Kinney, Diary of a Wimpy Kid: Hard Luck (Amulet)
— Rick Riordan, The House of Hades (Heroes of Olympus, Book 4) (Disney/Hyperion)
— Veronica Roth, Allegiant (Katherine Tegen/HarperCollins)
— Rush Limbaugh, Rush Revere and The Brave Pilgrims: Time-Travel Adventures with Exceptional Americans (Threshold/S&S)
— Rachel Renee Russell, Dork Diaries 6: Tales from a Not-So-Happy Heartbreaker (Aladdin/S&S)

As partisan as I am I’d prefer to see Rush shot down in ignominy and have a boatload of his books abandoned in the bargain bin, but still: he’s not exactly going up against J.K. Rowling here.

153 Floral Giraffe  May 16, 2014 5:08:26am

re: #150 Justanotherhuman

You’ll stay cool!

154 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 16, 2014 5:09:56am

re: #152 BongCrodny

The first two are the latest installments in long running series. I don’t know about the Roth and Russell books, though.

155 Decatur Deb  May 16, 2014 5:11:01am

re: #150 Justanotherhuman

Yeah, 53 here with a high of 75. It’s going to be in the 70s for the next few days, up until Wed with 82, very pleasant, spring temps, which is great since I have to make a couple of trips to Charlotte.

However, next Thurs and Fri? Highs of 100 predicted and partly cloudy which means high humidity as well. Fuck.

Having a good run with the experimental container garden so far. I’ve almost given up on Baja Alabama soil.

156 ObserverArt  May 16, 2014 5:11:07am

re: #153 Floral Giraffe

You’ll stay cool!

I think almost the entire eastern part of the US will be today.

43° here in Columbus Oha with a high of 60° maybe.

157 Decatur Deb  May 16, 2014 5:11:57am

re: #154 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

The first two are the latest installments in long running series. I don’t know about the Roth and Russell books, though.

Roth’s is a follow-on to “Divergent”, probably most popular of the bunch for YA readers.

158 Justanotherhuman  May 16, 2014 5:11:59am

re: #153 Floral Giraffe

You’ll stay cool!

Haha, I don’t even take out the garbage when it’s that hot and humid. : ) I do not venture out in the heat of the day even though I’m English.

159 Pie-onist Overlord  May 16, 2014 5:12:23am

re: #156 ObserverArt

I think almost the entire eastern part of the US will be today.

43° here in Columbus Oha with a high of 60° maybe.

37° in Dearborn with a high of 56°

160 Decatur Deb  May 16, 2014 5:13:30am

re: #159 Pie-onist Overlord

37° in Dearborn with a high of 56°

You’ve got that burning urban hellscsape to keep you warm.

161 Justanotherhuman  May 16, 2014 5:14:01am

re: #159 Pie-onist Overlord

37° in Dearborn with a high of 56°

The weather sounds absolutely bipolar.

162 ObserverArt  May 16, 2014 5:15:13am

re: #159 Pie-onist Overlord

37° in Dearborn with a high of 56°

I haven’t taken my winter tires off my car yet. You just never know!

163 ObserverArt  May 16, 2014 5:16:01am

re: #160 Decatur Deb

You’ve got that burning urban hellscsape to keep you warm.

Now that was funny!

: )

164 Justanotherhuman  May 16, 2014 5:18:21am

re: #163 ObserverArt

Now that was funny!

: )

Yeah, with all the concrete in Charlotte now, it will probably be 110 there.

165 Decatur Deb  May 16, 2014 5:19:44am

re: #147 Dr. Matt

Any news from the battlefront? Has the usurper-n-thief been arrested yet?

Someone posted links to high-angle webcams last night, the Mall and such, but I can’t find my bookmarks.

166 Justanotherhuman  May 16, 2014 5:21:56am

Hackery.

167 Justanotherhuman  May 16, 2014 5:25:29am

re: #165 Decatur Deb

Someone posted links to high-angle webcams last night, the Mall and such, but I can’t find my bookmarks.

earthcam.com

168 Dr. Matt  May 16, 2014 5:26:48am

Nada. earthcam.com

169 Dr. Matt  May 16, 2014 5:29:15am
170 Justanotherhuman  May 16, 2014 5:29:54am

Another live view:

earthcam.com

171 Decatur Deb  May 16, 2014 5:35:18am

re: #167 Justanotherhuman

re: #168 Dr. Matt

Thanks—weather doesn’t look bad yet. Even worse for a poor turnout.

172 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 16, 2014 5:35:38am

So, I guess the world’s nations won’t need to recall their embassy staff from Washington this weekend.

173 b.d.  May 16, 2014 5:37:04am
174 Decatur Deb  May 16, 2014 5:38:02am

re: #171 Decatur Deb

Thanks—weather doesn’t look bad yet. Even worse for a poor turnout.

Ooops. The ground-level cam shows a crappy sky towards NW, I think.

175 palomino  May 16, 2014 5:38:14am

re: #114 ObserverArt

Morning all!

Not making fun of you palomino…but I was just thinking about your comment and how many times I’ve heard it or something similar about SNL.

The program is almost 40 years old now, and since about the mid-80s every year or so someone says SNL isn’t as funny as it used to be, and the show goes on…and on.

It sure has its ups and downs, but in a way I am thankful we still have a live TV sketch show like it. And think of all the people it has spun into larger careers over those almost 40 years.

It sure has been a time marker…and I am not as young as I used to be a few years ago. Sigh.

Yeah, it has a lot of ups and downs. This is a down period. Over the last two years nearly the entire cast left (Wiig, Samberg, Myers, Sudeikis, Hader, Forte, Armisen, et al., a very strong group.) They’ve been replaced by a group that almost no one thinks is funny.

So you may hear the old adage a lot about SNL. This is one of those times it’s true.

176 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 16, 2014 5:41:24am

re: #175 palomino

Rapport is important for ensemble casts. Previous crews were funny when they could riff off each other — Ackroyd. Murray and Belushi, for example. Maybe these new guys and gals don’t have that yet.

177 b.d.  May 16, 2014 5:42:05am

One would think that with the overthrow of the lone superpower and the confidence behind the world’s go to currency would make the bitcoin exchange skyrocket.

It hasn’t happened yet.

BUY BUY BUY!!!!!!

178 Pie-onist Overlord  May 16, 2014 5:43:17am

This image seems static, same vehicles on the road.
earthcam.com

179 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 16, 2014 5:44:12am

re: #177 b.d.

One would think that with the overthrow of the lone superpower and the confidence behind the world’s go to currency would make the bitcoin exchange skyrocket.

It hasn’t happened yet.

BUY BUY BUY!!!!!!

Chinese buyers can’t, now that the central bank has cracked down on yuan-to-Bitcoin exchanges. That’s cooled the markets off a lot.

180 NJDhockeyfan  May 16, 2014 5:44:12am
181 Pie-onist Overlord  May 16, 2014 5:44:30am

Next time Bryan says he respects Teh Juice and supports Israel, remember this:

182 Justanotherhuman  May 16, 2014 5:44:32am

re: #176 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Rapport is important for ensemble casts. Previous crews were funny when they could riff off each other — Ackroyd. Murray and Belushi, for example. Maybe these new guys and gals don’t have that yet.

It’s called being generous, and it has its own rewards. A lot of entertainers don’t have that quality in the Age of Narcissism and entertainment suffers because of it. Too many “divas” these days.

183 Justanotherhuman  May 16, 2014 5:46:00am

re: #178 Pie-onist Overlord

This image seems static, same vehicles on the road.
earthcam.com

Probably is from archives. I realized that when I linked the first one. It has to be designated “live” and the second one I posted is live.

184 Dr. Matt  May 16, 2014 5:53:57am
185 Justanotherhuman  May 16, 2014 5:55:23am

Reason #4,580 not to shop at WalMart. Perp has to be mentally ill or was on drugs.

Teen attacked 4-year-old girl with crowbar at Wal-Mart, police say
Suspect allegedly yelled girl “deserved it”

wsbtv.com

“An 18-year-old transient was charged Thursday with attempted murder and committing a hate crime in a brutal crowbar attack of a 4-year-old girl at a California Wal-Mart store, prosecutors said.

“According to KTVU-TV, the Santa Clara County District Attorney’s Office said Maria Garate had been charged with assault with a deadly weapon with a hate crime allegation and attempted murder with a hate crime allegation.

“The 18-year-old woman suspect entered the store shortly before 11 a.m. Wednesday, approached a man with his 4-year-old daughter and struck the girl on the head with a crowbar, according to Sgt. Heather Randol.” More

186 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 16, 2014 5:57:22am

re: #166 Justanotherhuman

Hackery.

@ggreenwald speaking about his new book “No place to hide” with Noam Chomsky today in Cambridge.

Because of course he would.

Greenwald mentions “Book Tour Hell” in a tweet to Jack Shafer. What a whinge. Nobody is forcing GG to put his face all over the media to shill his stupid-ass book.

Remember when he was only doing presentations/interviews via Skype in the early days of the Snowden era? I hope more people are realizing what an entitled narcissistic prick he is.

187 NJDhockeyfan  May 16, 2014 5:59:54am
188 NJDhockeyfan  May 16, 2014 6:02:18am

re: #166 Justanotherhuman

Hackery.

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189 Justanotherhuman  May 16, 2014 6:05:08am

This is one of the worst sexual abuse cases I’ve read about in NC. Story says there are 11 kids. Wonder about the 4 others. But, of course, the brothers have “repented” so all is well. Except for the 16 yr old girl.

Six N.C. brothers accused of abusing girl over decade

hamptonroads.com

“A North Carolina piano tuner charged in a nearly decadelong child sex abuse case told a church elder in 2012 that he and his brothers had molested a girl.

“The man, Eric Jackson, agreed shortly thereafter to tell his story to the Perquimans County Sheriff’s Office, said Elder Dan Horn, of Hope Baptist Church in Wake Forest, N.C. Horn said Jackson believed he needed to “walk in the light and confess his sin to the authorities.”

(snip)

“Eric Jackson, 27, and five of his brothers - Jon, 25, Matthew, 23, Nathaniel, 21, Benjamin, 19, and Aaron, 18 - were arrested last week on charges they molested a young girl for almost a decade. It happened from the time she was 4 until she was about 14, according to Sheriff Eric Tilley.” More

190 Dr. Matt  May 16, 2014 6:07:43am

re: #187 NJDhockeyfan

Rule #1. Never, ever, never leave the doors unlocked to the BMP.

191 Justanotherhuman  May 16, 2014 6:10:58am

Firefighters in Novato, Calif., investigating 8 suspicious fires; 2 set Wednesday, 6 set overnight - @abc7newsBayArea
Read more on t.co

192 Targetpractice  May 16, 2014 6:12:57am

So, when does the “Spring” begin?

193 Eventual Carrion  May 16, 2014 6:15:01am

re: #20 Justanotherhuman

That was a rhetorical question, right?

Well, here’s your rhetorical answer.

Glenn Greenwald: ‘I don’t trust the UK not to arrest me. Their behaviour has been extreme’

theguardian.com

“I’m the victim here!

Yes Glenn, they should treat you the same way you would treat someone who stole your home security system pass code and posted it on the fucking internet for everyone to see. Fuck you asshole.

194 William Barnett-Lewis  May 16, 2014 6:15:32am

re: #166 Justanotherhuman

Hackery.

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It’s sad when Chomsky is the better of the two - at least he’s always been the same kind of idiot rather than changing with the wind to make more money.

195 b.d.  May 16, 2014 6:17:28am
President’s Schedule - May 16, 2014
Subscribe to President’s Schedule - May 16, 2014Add Events to iCal Expand to select date. Format: 05-16-2014.mm-dd-yyyy.

Friday, May 16 2014

No public schedule.

whitehouse.gov

WE GOT HIM HOLED UP!! TIME TO FLUSH HIM OUT!!!

//

196 GunstarGreen  May 16, 2014 6:17:46am

So, it’s Friday at last!

Has TEH TYRANT!!!!!111!11!11!!1 been overthrown yet?

197 Justanotherhuman  May 16, 2014 6:20:48am

re: #193 Eventual Carrion

Yes Glenn, they should treat you the same way you would treat someone who stole your home security system pass code and posted it on the fucking internet for everyone to see. Fuck you asshole.

IIRC, there were 4 European countries on his “book tour” schedule, also. I’m wondering if they have extradition treaties with the UK if the UK actually wanted to question him? No doubt he can get a straight flight to Germany, which was mentioned, I believe, and where no doubt he’ll reunite with his co-conspirator, Poitras.

198 Sergey Romanov  May 16, 2014 6:22:07am

re: #187 NJDhockeyfan

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It’s better not to post pro-Assad, pro-Putin neo-fascists:

199 b.d.  May 16, 2014 6:23:19am

WE ALL HAVE JOBS AND THAT IS WHY WE AREN’T THERE. THE MOOCHER TAKING CLASS ARE THE ONES WITHOUT JOBS THAT CAN SHOW UP TO PROTEST ABOUT NOT GETTING ENOUGH FREE STUFF!!

200 Pie-onist Overlord  May 16, 2014 6:23:33am

Dumbass misunderstands what a “parable” is.

201 Targetpractice  May 16, 2014 6:25:25am

re: #200 Pie-onist Overlord

Dumbass misunderstands what a “parable” is.

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You mean the guy who went into the temple and threw the money-changers out, or preached about giving to the poor and disabled, and who said it was easier to get a camel through the eye of a needle than a rich man into heaven…was a capitalist?

202 Sergey Romanov  May 16, 2014 6:25:28am

re: #200 Pie-onist Overlord

It’s just as stupid as calling him a communist or a socialist. Everybody wants Jesus on his team.

203 William Barnett-Lewis  May 16, 2014 6:28:45am

re: #200 Pie-onist Overlord

Dumbass misunderstands what a “parable” is.

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Considering how intellectually challenged so many of these idiots are it’s probably a good thing Christians never took up midrash. If they can make such hash out of relatively simple parables, can you just imagine how confused they be by some of the classics?

It’s a good thing I know decent folk who do try to live as He taught or I’d be tempted by despair between this twit & Fischer.

205 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 16, 2014 6:30:36am

re: #200 Pie-onist Overlord

Dumbass misunderstands what a “parable” is.

Barber is using the Conserva-Bible. When the Holy Spirit came at Pentecost, he was actually dropping silver in their purses. The speaking-in-tongues bit was like the babble you hear at commodity exchanges between traders.

206 Killgore Trout  May 16, 2014 6:31:29am

Nigeria abducted schoolgirls: President cancels Chibok trip

the visit was called off for security reasons, the officials said

207 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 16, 2014 6:31:39am

re: #203 William Barnett-Lewis

Considering how intellectually challenged so many of these idiots are it’s probably a good thing Christians never took up midrash. If they can make such hash out of relatively simple parables, can you just imagine how confused they be by some of the classics?

It’s a good thing I know decent folk who do try to live as He taught or I’d be tempted by despair between this twit & Fischer.

Imagine them trying to comprehend koans. Minds blown.

208 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 16, 2014 6:32:02am

And here in eastern Kentucky, we’re supposed to have frost Saturday morning.
So tired of this…

209 ObserverArt  May 16, 2014 6:34:32am

re: #208 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And here in eastern Kentucky, we’re supposed to have frost Saturday morning.
So tired of this…

Well, just think what it would be like with global warming,

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210 Killgore Trout  May 16, 2014 6:35:00am

Iran protesters demand enforcement of hijab rules

“In some parts of the city, the veils are coming off right now and the full violation of hijab can be witnessed,” Hojjatoleslam Kazem Sediqi said in a Friday prayers speech at Tehran University, shortly before the planned rally.

It was unclear whether Sediqi was implicitly referring to a recent online campaign by thousands of Iranian women who posted pictures of themselves flouting the dress code inside the country.

211 Sergey Romanov  May 16, 2014 6:35:54am

BTW, I love how sometimes fundies quote Paul’s “those who don’t work shall not eat” as supporting capitalism, without being aware that it’s also the 2nd princple in the so-called Moral Code of the Builder of Communism.

212 Pie-onist Overlord  May 16, 2014 6:37:11am

#OperationAmericanSpring hashtag is for laughing and mocking the teaturds. No “actual patriots” are using that tag.

213 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 16, 2014 6:37:32am

re: #209 ObserverArt

Well, just think what it would be like with global warming,

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My friend in northern Thailand says it’s 38°C there (100°F). Her classroom does not have AC.

Count your blessings.

214 Rightwingconspirator  May 16, 2014 6:39:06am

When the chips are down….

Breaking-ABC7 reporting the end of a police pursuit. Someone stole a Frito Lays truck and tried to run.

I could not help but speculate the truck stopped when it got to a dip in the road.

215 William Barnett-Lewis  May 16, 2014 6:39:46am

re: #211 Sergey Romanov

BTW, I love how sometimes fundies quote Paul’s “those who don’t work shall not eat” as supporting capitalism, without being aware that it’s also the 2nd princple in the so-called Moral Code of the Builder of Communism.

Oh, now that’s a hoot. Somehow I never ran into that in my various readings over the years (admittedly I stick to western lefties like Mike Harrington. Still…) I have to remember that one.

216 William Barnett-Lewis  May 16, 2014 6:40:19am

re: #214 Rightwingconspirator

When the chips are down….

Breaking-ABC7 reporting the end of a police pursuit. Someone stole a Frito Lays truck and tried to run.

I could not help but speculate the truck stopped when it got to a dip in the road.

< rimshot >

217 Decatur Deb  May 16, 2014 6:41:37am

re: #212 Pie-onist Overlord

#OperationAmericanSpring hashtag is for laughing and mocking the teaturds. No “actual patriots” are using that tag.

This one looks like real (thin) message traffic:

oas2014.com

218 Sergey Romanov  May 16, 2014 6:45:18am

re: #215 William Barnett-Lewis

en.wikipedia.org

Conscientious labor for the good of society: he who does not work, neither shall he eat.

One of the guys who took part in writing it in 1961 later admitted that it was partially gleaned from some Biblical principles.

219 darthstar  May 16, 2014 6:45:32am

re: #212 Pie-onist Overlord

#OperationAmericanSpring hashtag is for laughing and mocking the teaturds. No “actual patriots” are using that tag.

OAS looks like creeping pariah to me.

220 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 16, 2014 6:45:53am
221 Justanotherhuman  May 16, 2014 6:46:54am

re: #215 William Barnett-Lewis

Oh, now that’s a hoot. Somehow I never ran into that in my various readings over the years (admittedly I stick to western lefties like Mike Harrington. Still…) I have to remember that one.

I was told that 40 yrs ago by an admitted communist. Hard liners are just as reactionary as the rightwing here in much of communist practice. For instance, Cuba would not permit gays and lesbians to enter the country as part of the “Venceremos Brigade”—they had to hide their sexual identity if they wanted to be part of the trip.

I don’t know if that’s changed since the VB appears to still be in existence.
venceremosbrigade.net

222 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 16, 2014 6:47:41am
223 Pie-onist Overlord  May 16, 2014 6:48:55am

LOL

224 Sergey Romanov  May 16, 2014 6:49:38am

Oh, and here’s the infamous Stalin’s Constitution of 1936:

departments.bucknell.edu

ARTICLE 12. In the U.S.S.R. work is a duty and a matter of honor for every able-bodied citizen, in accordance with the principle: “He who does not work, neither shall he eat.”

The principle applied in the U.S.S.R. is that of socialism: “From each according to his ability, to each according to his work.”

225 Decatur Deb  May 16, 2014 6:49:40am

re: #218 Sergey Romanov

en.wikipedia.org

One of the guys who took part in writing it in 1961 later admitted that it was partially gleaned from some Biblical principles.

Also an express rule in one of our desperate colonial beacheads, Jamestown VA, I think. The shock in that case is that the leader definitely meant everybody in the nobility-heavy party.

226 Justanotherhuman  May 16, 2014 6:50:54am

re: #223 Pie-onist Overlord

LOL

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Haha, well, it does say “until mission accomplished” which is what, never?

227 Decatur Deb  May 16, 2014 6:55:22am

re: #226 Justanotherhuman

Haha, well, it does say “until mission accomplished” which is what, never?

Google News search yields nothing fresher than 8 hrs ago. That is Russia Today, which has been a constant follower.

228 William Barnett-Lewis  May 16, 2014 6:57:25am

re: #218 Sergey Romanov

en.wikipedia.org

One of the guys who took part in writing it in 1961 later admitted that it was partially gleaned from some Biblical principles.

i saw that. It’s an interesting thing to read about - I wonder if it had any impact on those who were young at the time (by young, I’d include up to 20 or so.)?

229 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 16, 2014 6:58:53am
230 HappyWarrior  May 16, 2014 7:07:45am

re: #211 Sergey Romanov

BTW, I love how sometimes fundies quote Paul’s “those who don’t work shall not eat” as supporting capitalism, without being aware that it’s also the 2nd princple in the so-called Moral Code of the Builder of Communism.

Fundies and extreme Communists have a lot in common honestly. BTW, it’s good to see you posting again.

231 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  May 16, 2014 7:07:58am

It’s a little past 10 AM Eastern - have the millions and millions of American Spring protesters overthrown the government yet? Or am I still living under the iron fist of tyranny?

232 HappyWarrior  May 16, 2014 7:09:21am

re: #231 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

It’s a little past 10 AM Eastern - have the millions and millions of American Spring protesters overthrown the government yet? Or am I still living under the iron fist of tyranny?

That was today? Okay, more seriously living in the DC area, the excuse is going to be something about the weather and how it limited how many people they could get because you know real revolutionaries let the weather get to them.

233 Justanotherhuman  May 16, 2014 7:10:53am

The new Wiki policy that has been adopted as of April 25, 2014 by the Wikimedia Foundation’s Board of Trustees

meta.wikimedia.org

234 darthstar  May 16, 2014 7:13:12am
235 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  May 16, 2014 7:14:12am

re: #232 HappyWarrior

Well, on their website they claim 10 million people are going to flood into DC. The question that occurred to me immediately is, where are 10 million extra people going to take a crap? That’s a huge amount of sudden strain (no pun intended) on the sanitation infrastructure. With the flooding that’s taking place, this seems like a recipe for an urban cholera outbreak that could overwhelm area hospitals and emergency responders.

And to think that it will be that much worse because suddenly there’s no coherent government structure to step in and help — no FEMA, no National Guard, no Corps of Engineers. Just a bunch of patriots and their bootstraps. And guns.

236 Targetpractice  May 16, 2014 7:14:39am

re: #231 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

It’s a little past 10 AM Eastern - have the millions and millions of American Spring protesters overthrown the government yet? Or am I still living under the iron fist of tyranny?

According what seemed to be the most recent post at their website, they’re still “building momentum.”

237 NJDhockeyfan  May 16, 2014 7:15:40am
238 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  May 16, 2014 7:17:14am

re: #236 Targetpractice

According what seemed to be the most recent post at their website, they’re still “building momentum.”

That’s what I call it when I hit the snooze alarm for the 4th time on Monday mornings.

239 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 16, 2014 7:18:11am
240 HappyWarrior  May 16, 2014 7:18:30am

re: #236 Targetpractice

According what seemed to be the most recent post at their website, they’re still “building momentum.”

If you’re still building momentum the morning of your supposed revolution, you’re not doing it right.

241 Rev_Arthur_Belling  May 16, 2014 7:18:37am

re: #234 darthstar

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Wonder how many will get that it’s a Windows prompt, and the wizard is using a Mac?

242 HappyWarrior  May 16, 2014 7:19:14am

re: #235 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Well, on their website they claim 10 million people are going to flood into DC. The question that occurred to me immediately is, where are 10 million extra people going to take a crap? That’s a huge amount of sudden strain (no pun intended) on the sanitation infrastructure. With the flooding that’s taking place, this seems like a recipe for an urban cholera outbreak that could overwhelm area hospitals and emergency responders.

And to think that it will be that much worse because suddenly there’s no coherent government structure to step in and help — no FEMA, no National Guard, no Corps of Engineers. Just a bunch of patriots and their bootstraps. And guns.

Yeah that sounds nasty but fortunately it’s just more puff and mirrors from the armchair patriot crowd.

243 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 16, 2014 7:19:16am
244 Targetpractice  May 16, 2014 7:19:23am

re: #238 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

That’s what I call it when I hit the snooze alarm for the 4th time on Monday mornings.

I took it to mean that they’re still charging their Hoverounds.

245 NJDhockeyfan  May 16, 2014 7:21:12am
246 FemNaziBitch  May 16, 2014 7:23:47am

It’s morning again. IT’s damp and dark.

alleriges seem to be a bit better, my head confirms it.

This is an automatic Pollen and Mold Alert from the National Allergy Bureau, a service of the American Academy of Allergy, Asthma & Immunology.

Station: Chicago Area (Melrose Park), IL
Joseph G. Leija, MD FAAAAI
Station Head(s): Joseph G. Leija, MD FAAAAI
Date of Pollen and Mold Count: 05/16/2014

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Pollen & Mold Summary
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Trees: Moderate Concentration
Weeds: Moderate Concentration
Grass: Moderate Concentration
Mold: Low Concentration

you?

247 Killgore Trout  May 16, 2014 7:26:20am

How to Successfully Troll MSNBC’s Ed Schultz

“I accidentally got on the show one day after directly quoting one of Ed’s insightful comments about the GOP (they’re racist, etc.),” the WFB digital managing editor tells Mediaite. “After that, I thought I’d see what the bar was for liberal nonsense they’d allow on the air. Turns out it was pretty low.”

248 FemNaziBitch  May 16, 2014 7:28:41am

re: #218 Sergey Romanov

en.wikipedia.org

One of the guys who took part in writing it in 1961 later admitted that it was partially gleaned from some Biblical principles.

I get a bit wearly of the term “biblical”. Why can’t the whacko’s concede that what they are talking about are universal values not specific to any one religion, philosophy or time in history?

249 NJDhockeyfan  May 16, 2014 7:30:01am
250 FemNaziBitch  May 16, 2014 7:30:09am

re: #247 Killgore Trout

How to Successfully Troll MSNBC’s Ed Schultz

Who are these people who have time for trolling?

251 Charles Johnson  May 16, 2014 7:30:54am
252 HappyWarrior  May 16, 2014 7:31:30am

re: #249 NJDhockeyfan

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Who else but the Cubs.

253 Killgore Trout  May 16, 2014 7:32:28am

Max Fischer: Obama’s strategy of letting Putin hang himself is working
I’m not so convinced. I think Putin is expanding Russian influence a bit faster than he would like but I’m not sure that’s because of Obama’s brilliant strategy.

254 Alyosha  May 16, 2014 7:33:30am

re: #194 William Barnett-Lewis

It’s sad when Chomsky is the better of the two - at least he’s always been the same kind of idiot rather than changing with the wind to make more money.

Chomsky, in contrast to Greenwald, is terribly clever in the way he constructs his arguments. Obviously the starting point for his opinions are the same as GG’s, namely that the US and its foreign policy in particular are the source of most of the ills that afflict the world. But Chomsky justifies his lack of criticism for regimes like Russia’s, Venezuela’s and Iran’s by saying his sphere of attention is the West whereas those other countries must rely on homegrown dissidents.
The problem with this is that if you can’t bring yourself to heap scorn on all state players, if indeed your problem is with the abuses committed by government, even if only for the sake of intellectual consistency, you’re naturally ignoring the broader context of international relationships and varying mitigating circumstances.
In the case of the NSA, the argument that the US shouldn’t compile communication metadata for national security reasons only makes sense if we insist that America has an unopposed global hegemony. Clearly, any domestic surveillance program must be balanced and have adequate oversight, but given the methods used by actors like Russia to actively suppress dissent in their own countries, the argument against the US rings a little hollow.
The only conclusion one can reach from this is one many here have arrived at already. The positions people like Chomsky and GG hold sometimes have merit, but the obsessive focus on activities in the US, while ignoring entirely developments elsewhere reveal their actual motives.
At least Chomsky has been consistently blame-America-first.
GG is a fucking windsock.

255 Killgore Trout  May 16, 2014 7:34:22am

re: #250 FemNaziBitch

Who are these people who have time for trolling?

He’s an editor at Free Beacon.

257 Killgore Trout  May 16, 2014 7:38:43am

re: #254 Alyosha

The positions people like Chomsky and GG hold sometimes have merit, but the obsessive focus on activities in the US, while ignoring entirely developments elsewhere reveal their actual motives.
At least Chomsky has been consistently blame-America-first.
GG is a fucking windsock.

I think Chomsky is worth paying some attention to. He’s horribly wrong much of the time but he is influential and I think it’s important to understand his reasoning. Greenwald is more of an oddity. He is influential in the sense that he does have a decent sized fan club but he doesn’t have the intellectual weight of Chomsky.

258 Eventual Carrion  May 16, 2014 7:39:05am

re: #115 Decatur Deb

When SNL was funny, it had bees, and Muppets.

Image: landofgorch-scred.jpg

“He’s buzzing off, he’s buzzing off!”

[buzz, buzz, buzz]

259 Killgore Trout  May 16, 2014 7:40:49am

Nairobi bomb blasts kill at least 10 as Britons fly home

At least 10 people are killed and 70 injured in two explosions in the Kenyan capital, as Britons leave the country after a Foreign Office warning about “a high threat of terrorism”.

260 Killgore Trout  May 16, 2014 7:43:57am

re: #259 Killgore Trout

Nairobi bomb blasts kill at least 10 as Britons fly home

I like the luggage, I need that. My old traveling backpack with a Canadian maple leaf is nearly worn out.

261 NJDhockeyfan  May 16, 2014 7:45:08am
262 Alyosha  May 16, 2014 7:48:24am

re: #257 Killgore Trout

I think Chomsky is worth paying some attention to. He’s horribly wrong much of the time but he is influential and I think it’s important to understand his reasoning. Greenwald is more of an oddity. He is influential in the sense that he does have a decent sized fan club but he doesn’t have the intellectual weight of Chomsky.

His arguments are compelling if they aren’t scrutinized too closely. Reminds me of the kind of appeal that Ron Paul enjoys. Smart people not taking libertarian ideas to logical conclusions.

263 Stanley Sea  May 16, 2014 7:50:02am

re: #261 NJDhockeyfan

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Be careful what you post.

1st - that photo is from yesterday or the day before.

2nd - the suspects arrested were attempting to light a new fire. May/may not have anything to do with the Cocos fire.

264 Stanley Sea  May 16, 2014 7:57:02am
265 Targetpractice  May 16, 2014 7:57:30am

Thing is, I’m not happy with this for two reasons. The first I’m almost sure that GM made a shitload more money than $35 mil off the sale of defective cars and the upkeep thereof. And second, because I think somebody or rather somebodies on GM’s board of directors should be facing jail time for 13 counts of negligent homicide.

266 Pie-onist Overlord  May 16, 2014 7:58:23am
267 Pie-onist Overlord  May 16, 2014 7:59:03am
268 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  May 16, 2014 7:59:44am

The “American spring” live stream is hilarious

m.ustream.tv

269 Targetpractice  May 16, 2014 7:59:56am

I’ll go ahead and guesstimate now that they’ll be lucky if 10,000 show up before day’s end.

270 Pie-onist Overlord  May 16, 2014 8:00:32am

re: #269 Targetpractice

I’ll go ahead and guesstimate now that they’ll be lucky if 10,000 show up before day’s end.

271 Skip Intro  May 16, 2014 8:02:06am

Looks like this guy has brought his own cross to burn in front of the White House. The white hoods are probably back in the van.

272 NJDhockeyfan  May 16, 2014 8:02:18am

Well he looks like a nice gentleman
//

273 Alyosha  May 16, 2014 8:02:28am

They might be more successful if they count brain cells in attendance and not individual patriots.

274 Pie-onist Overlord  May 16, 2014 8:05:41am

re: #273 Alyosha

They might be more successful if they count brain cells in attendance and not individual patriots.

The number would be even lower if they used that method. There must be a bunch of cousins all sharing the same brain cell.

275 Targetpractice  May 16, 2014 8:06:02am

re: #273 Alyosha

They might be more successful if they count brain cells in attendance and not individual patriots.

They’d still be 29,999,999 short.

276 Killgore Trout  May 16, 2014 8:07:00am

re: #262 Alyosha

His arguments are compelling if they aren’t scrutinized too closely. Reminds me of the kind of appeal that Ron Paul enjoys. Smart people not taking libertarian ideas to logical conclusions.

I think Manufacturing Consent is a good example. His larger premise of the media’s role is shaping/constructing public opinion is correct. However he focuses the blame on business and capitalism and overlooks partisan activist media, well funded think tanks and even the publics own overwhelming desire to fool itself.
He has some good general ideas but unfortunately misses the mark.

277 Charles Johnson  May 16, 2014 8:07:02am

Fascinating - people already bailing out of The Intercept. There’s trouble in the Mighty Greenwald’s fortress of solitude.

278 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 16, 2014 8:07:50am
279 NJDhockeyfan  May 16, 2014 8:07:55am
280 HappyWarrior  May 16, 2014 8:08:22am

re: #278 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Hey, look ma, half of a gen ed class.

281 Alyosha  May 16, 2014 8:08:25am

re: #274 Pie-onist Overlord

re: #275 Targetpractice

Ouch! Or if they lack central nervous systems, maybe not…

282 Targetpractice  May 16, 2014 8:08:36am

re: #277 Charles Johnson

Fascinating - people already bailing out of The Intercept. There’s trouble in the Mighty Greenwald’s fortress of solitude.

So, which do you figure set off the exodus? The rank stench of Glenn’s rapidly expanding ego or the reality that the imminent collapse of said ego into a black hole threatened to swallow up any credibility they had with it?

284 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 16, 2014 8:11:04am
285 FemNaziBitch  May 16, 2014 8:11:20am

Just learned a family member has been in a serious motorcycle accident in another state. Feel an overwhelming urge to go there and be in the way.

*sigh*

286 b.d.  May 16, 2014 8:12:45am

re: #251 Charles Johnson

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So the white male honeycomb hide out that is The Intercept just lost one of its few non white male employees?

Diversity baby!

287 FemNaziBitch  May 16, 2014 8:13:11am

bbl

288 Alyosha  May 16, 2014 8:14:03am

re: #276 Killgore Trout

I think Manufacturing Consent is a good example. His larger premise of the media’s role is shaping/constructing public opinion is correct. However he focuses the blame on business and capitalism and overlooks partisan activist media, well funded think tanks and even the publics own overwhelming desire to fool itself.
He has some good general ideas but unfortunately misses the mark.

I am most sympathetic to his views on the media, though I haven’t seen Manufacturing Consent. But at this point journalistic standards and the media in general are low-hanging fruit. Not even FOX News viewers are content.

289 NJDhockeyfan  May 16, 2014 8:14:28am
290 Pie-onist Overlord  May 16, 2014 8:14:56am

re: #286 b.d.

So the white male honeycomb hide out that is The Intercept just lost one of its few non white male employees?

Diversity baby!

She found out she was getting paid less than the male employees, asked for more money and they said GTFO.

291 b.d.  May 16, 2014 8:15:05am

re: #277 Charles Johnson

Fascinating - people already bailing out of The Intercept. There’s trouble in the Mighty Greenwald’s fortress of solitude.

Unbelievable that The Intercept hasn’t updated their web page, they still show her a s staff.

Keeping the staff page up to date was probably her job.

//

292 Killgore Trout  May 16, 2014 8:15:12am

Syrian Army shells Nawa with dozens of Grad rockets within one minute. Entire city hit.
Liveleak Video

293 b.d.  May 16, 2014 8:16:09am

re: #285 FemNaziBitch

Just learned a family member has been in a serious motorcycle accident in another state. Feel an overwhelming urge to go there and be in the way.

*sigh*

I am sorry FemNaziBitch, hope the news turns out better than feared.

294 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 16, 2014 8:16:29am
295 b.d.  May 16, 2014 8:17:20am

re: #290 Pie-onist Overlord

She found out she was getting paid less than the male employees, asked for more money and they said GTFO.

All employees of The Intercept should be paid the same for not doing anything.

296 HappyWarrior  May 16, 2014 8:20:00am

re: #294 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Probably don’t want more footage of their crowds saying “Let him die” or booing openly gay service members. Neither are helpful for the “re branding”.

297 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 16, 2014 8:21:53am
298 Alyosha  May 16, 2014 8:22:43am

re: #295 b.d.

All employees of The Intercept should be paid the same for not doing anything.

What is the going rate for kissing GG’s arse? Whatever it is, it’s probably not enough.

299 Eventual Carrion  May 16, 2014 8:23:14am

re: #223 Pie-onist Overlord

LOL

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And they were probably just walking by and are waiting to see if a band will take the stage.

300 Stanley Sea  May 16, 2014 8:26:18am
301 HappyWarrior  May 16, 2014 8:27:54am

re: #300 Stanley Sea

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I wish these people would decide on a narrative already.

302 Dr. Matt  May 16, 2014 8:28:19am
303 NJDhockeyfan  May 16, 2014 8:30:45am
304 Targetpractice  May 16, 2014 8:31:59am

re: #302 Dr. Matt

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Reminds me of the old joke about how you could tell who the undercover FBI agents were in the KKK because they were the only ones paying the dues.

305 Skip Intro  May 16, 2014 8:32:12am

306 Dr. Matt  May 16, 2014 8:33:33am

Tourists or whining protesters patriots? I think I see about 20 people. earthcam.com

307 klys  May 16, 2014 8:33:36am

So Internet on an airplane is kind of common these days but this is the first time I’ve seen Internet on a trans-Atlantic flight.

Hi from off the coast of Greenland.

308 Targetpractice  May 16, 2014 8:34:22am

re: #307 klys

So Internet on an airplane is kind of common these days but this is the first time I’ve seen Internet on a trans-Atlantic flight.

Hi from off the coast of Greenland.

Let us know if you crash, because then we’ll know what CNN’s headlines for the next month will be.

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309 Alyosha  May 16, 2014 8:34:31am

re: #305 Skip Intro

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I’m a mall Santa.

310 klys  May 16, 2014 8:35:59am

re: #308 Targetpractice

Let us know if you crash, because then we’ll know what CNN’s headlines for the next month will be.

//

Haha, dude, there were two announcements asking [passenger name] to please let the flight attendants know if they were on board. That was a little o.O

311 Kragar  May 16, 2014 8:41:03am
312 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 16, 2014 8:42:13am
313 Kragar  May 16, 2014 8:42:37am
314 b.d.  May 16, 2014 8:42:46am

re: #305 Skip Intro

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THOSE GUYS WERE DIMMOCRAT PLANTS!!

315 HappyWarrior  May 16, 2014 8:43:05am

re: #311 Kragar

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Sharia law? I must have missed the ban on ham, alcohol, and marriages between non-Muslims. What an abject moron. i wouldn’t even dignify that stupidity with a response.

316 HappyWarrior  May 16, 2014 8:43:30am

re: #313 Kragar

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That poor kid.

317 Kragar  May 16, 2014 8:45:20am
318 Targetpractice  May 16, 2014 8:46:32am

re: #317 Kragar

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Shit, she wants to talk about broken promises? How about “no nation-building”?

319 HappyWarrior  May 16, 2014 8:47:09am

You know if these people really revered our founding fathers, they wouldn’t be rationalizing a coup because they don’t like the election results. John Adams’ finest hour honestly as president probably came when he peacefully let Jefferson take his place without bloodshed.

320 Kragar  May 16, 2014 8:47:35am

I knew it was going to be a slow day at work, so I took the day off. Now I can devote the whole day to riffing OAS

321 b.d.  May 16, 2014 8:47:38am

re: #318 Targetpractice

Shit, she wants to talk about broken promises? How about “no nation-building”?

OR “READ MY LIPS, NO NEW TAXES!!!!1!!”

322 HappyWarrior  May 16, 2014 8:47:52am

re: #318 Targetpractice

Shit, she wants to talk about broken promises? How about “no nation-building”?

No shit but these are professional victims.

323 wrenchwench  May 16, 2014 8:48:46am

re: #313 Kragar

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Oh look. That flag matches the KKK guy’s tattoo.

A version is archived here.

324 Killgore Trout  May 16, 2014 8:48:49am

re: #303 NJDhockeyfan

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I’m not seeing much talk about progress getting Syria to turn over the rest of their declared chemical weapons. I wonder if that plan is dead. Either way it seems Assad feels safe in using chlorine. I’m not sure if we’re going to do anything about it.

325 Targetpractice  May 16, 2014 8:49:09am

re: #320 Kragar

I knew it was going to be a slow day at work, so I took the day off. Now I can devote the whole day to riffing OAS

Shit, what else are you going to do for the day? I’ve got to sit here and watch old episodes of Top Gear just to avoid sanity.

326 Alyosha  May 16, 2014 8:49:10am

re: #320 Kragar

I knew it was going to be a slow day at work, so I took the day off. Now I can devote the whole day to riffing OAS

Do it for Dio.

327 HappyWarrior  May 16, 2014 8:49:15am

re: #321 b.d.

OR “READ MY LIPS, NO NEW TAXES!!!!1!!”

or Reagan totally increasing the size of the government as president. Really, she wants to talk about broken promises? That’s not justification for a whiny coup. If she doesn’t like Obama. Fine, she can vote for representatives that oppose him but she doesn’t get to overturn the results by bloodshed and kangaroo courts.

328 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 16, 2014 8:49:52am

hahahahahahaha

329 Skip Intro  May 16, 2014 8:51:13am

re: #313 Kragar

They need to meet up with the guy in #271.

330 Decatur Deb  May 16, 2014 8:51:31am

re: #272 NJDhockeyfan

Well he looks like a nice gentleman
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Not quite a neighbor, but we probably share a Walmart. Not joking.

331 Pie-onist Overlord  May 16, 2014 8:52:05am

Every variation of hashtag about “American Spring” is liberal snark. Very few patriots to be found. Did they turn off all the conservatives wifi while allowing the Obama-voters to access a seekrit Internets?

332 Kragar  May 16, 2014 8:52:15am

re: #326 Alyosha

Do it for Dio.

Well, that too naturally.

333 Kragar  May 16, 2014 8:53:22am

re: #325 Targetpractice

Shit, what else are you going to do for the day? I’ve got to sit here and watch old episodes of Top Gear just to avoid sanity.

Work on some models, maybe catch up on Netflix

334 Pie-onist Overlord  May 16, 2014 8:54:11am

Can we verify that the KKK/Confederate flag dude is from this American Spring rally and it’s not a stock photo from some random KKK rally?

335 makeitstop  May 16, 2014 8:54:19am

Everybody on this stupid talk show is bitching about how the MSM didn’t cover this exercise in derp.

They’re all insane. Reduced to callers saying ‘I couldn’t get there, but everyone I talk to supports it!’

LOL

336 Kragar  May 16, 2014 8:55:01am
337 Targetpractice  May 16, 2014 8:55:34am

re: #335 makeitstop

Everybody on this stupid talk show is bitching about how the MSM didn’t cover this exercise in derp.

They’re all insane. Reduced to callers saying ‘I couldn’t get there, but everyone I talk to supports it!’

LOL

Yeah, and I don’t know how Obama got elected, because nobody I know voted for him.

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338 Kragar  May 16, 2014 8:56:26am

re: #334 Pie-onist Overlord

Can we verify that the KKK/Confederate flag dude is from this American Spring rally and it’s not a stock photo from some random KKK rally?

Nevermind Friday, December 30, 2011

339 Skip Intro  May 16, 2014 8:56:55am

The OAS video feed goes live in 4 minutes. Unfortunately, I’ve forgotten the link.

340 wrenchwench  May 16, 2014 8:56:58am

re: #334 Pie-onist Overlord

Can we verify that the KKK/Confederate flag dude is from this American Spring rally and it’s not a stock photo from some random KKK rally?

Good instinct. From 2010:

Ku Klux Klan protest rally in front of Augusta State University lasts 30 minutes

341 bubba zanetti  May 16, 2014 8:57:19am

Weird Twitter is brutally trolling OAS (Audio NSFW):

(Audio NSFW)

342 Pie-onist Overlord  May 16, 2014 8:57:28am

re: #338 Kragar

Nevermind Friday, December 30, 2011

I hate being pwn3d.

343 makeitstop  May 16, 2014 8:57:56am

This stream is comedy gold. Comedy gold, Jerry.

344 Kragar  May 16, 2014 8:58:11am

re: #342 Pie-onist Overlord

I hate being pwn3d.

As do I

345 Skip Intro  May 16, 2014 8:58:34am

re: #342 Pie-onist Overlord

I hate being pwn3d.

It’s too damned easy with these people. The sunlight should have given it away.

346 HappyWarrior  May 16, 2014 8:58:44am

re: #337 Targetpractice

Yeah, and I don’t know how Obama got elected, because nobody I know voted for him.

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or no one but poor minorities wanting “free stuff” voted for him. What they refuse to get is that Obama was much more appealing than the alternatives their party and ideology has to offer. Really conservatives, if you want to win elections, stop being the ideology of the sexually repressed and comically greedy.

347 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 16, 2014 8:58:56am

re: #333 Kragar

Work on some models, maybe catch up on Netflix

sounds like a great plan

348 Decatur Deb  May 16, 2014 9:02:15am

re: #297 Backwoods_Sleuth

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WHERE ARE YOU AT!!!

349 Alyosha  May 16, 2014 9:02:17am

re: #343 makeitstop

This stream is comedy gold. Comedy gold, Jerry.

And we haven’t even started the Ovaltine bit yet.

350 makeitstop  May 16, 2014 9:03:55am

Aww, crap. The stream, it is kilt.

Is C-SPAN covering this? I need some panoramic crowd shots!

351 Skip Intro  May 16, 2014 9:04:14am

re: #339 Skip Intro

The OAS video feed goes live in 4 minutes. Unfortunately, I’ve forgotten the link.

Video from The Revolution appears to be running late.

ustream.tv

352 iossarian  May 16, 2014 9:04:31am

Has the government been overthrown yet? If so I might not bother with this status report.

I need more coffee.

353 Skip Intro  May 16, 2014 9:06:00am

re: #352 iossarian

Has the government been overthrown yet? If so I might not bother with this status report.

I need more coffee.

I think the official videographer of the Revolution is having battery problems with his cell phone.

354 Alyosha  May 16, 2014 9:06:27am

The Revolution will not be livestreamed.

355 iossarian  May 16, 2014 9:07:33am

re: #353 Skip Intro

I think the official videographer of the Revolution is having battery problems with his cell phone.

It’s either that or BLACK HELICOPTERS.

356 makeitstop  May 16, 2014 9:08:04am

So, the go-to excuse for not getting the promised 30 million patriots will be…what?

So far, the leader seems to be ‘the media didn’t cover it.’

357 makeitstop  May 16, 2014 9:11:24am

The video feed is sideways. HAHAHA

358 Pie-onist Overlord  May 16, 2014 9:12:09am

TEH TYRANNICAL DICTATOR EMPEROR KING HAS IMPRISONED 30 MILLION PATRIOTS IN FEMA CAMPS!!!! WHERE IS TEH MEDIA!!!!!!

359 makeitstop  May 16, 2014 9:12:53am

Oh, man, someone’s gonna drop an N-bomb here, I can feel it.

360 Alyosha  May 16, 2014 9:13:43am

I don’t get it. If political correctness is the misguided desire to not offend or upset anyone, just why are these people so offended and upset lol

361 Rightwingconspirator  May 16, 2014 9:14:58am

Don’t blame the victim, the noose, the gun, the car or the bridge.
US foreclosures increase suicide rate

362 Pie-onist Overlord  May 16, 2014 9:15:12am

I can’t view the livestream. Firewalled here.

363 klys  May 16, 2014 9:15:13am

re: #360 Alyosha

I don’t get it. If political correctness is the misguided desire to to offend or upset anyone, why are these people so offended and upset lol

Because consequences mean their speech isn’t free, duh.

364 Decatur Deb  May 16, 2014 9:15:31am

“This seditious rant brought to you by Stouffers…”

365 blueraven  May 16, 2014 9:15:34am

It is truly frightening how many batshit crazy people there are out there. (the callers to the OAS radio feed)
Fortunately, they all seem to be armchair warriors.

366 William Barnett-Lewis  May 16, 2014 9:17:27am

Just saw a joke that I felt the need to pass along…

Ayn Rand, Ron Paul, and Paul Ryan walk into a bar and order drinks.

The bartender serves them all tainted booze because of no regulations.

All three die.

Youtube Video

367 Skip Intro  May 16, 2014 9:17:35am

BOTG reports 10 million patriot march at an estimated 50 people.

368 b.d.  May 16, 2014 9:18:11am

re: #362 Pie-onist Overlord

I can’t view the livestream. Firewalled here.

I have it muted. Person with bullhorn on a platform yammering about something. Big yellow BENGHAZI!!1! banner besides her.

369 makeitstop  May 16, 2014 9:18:21am

Benghazi Troofer!

370 b.d.  May 16, 2014 9:19:09am

re: #367 Skip Intro

BOTG reports 10 million patriot march at an estimated 50 people.

THERE ARE TONS OF PEOPLE THERE! LAPDOG MEDIA JUST USING BAD CAMERA ANGLES!!

371 b.d.  May 16, 2014 9:21:28am

Can’t we get Putin to annex some of these OAS guys??

372 Skip Intro  May 16, 2014 9:22:15am

m.ustream.tv

373 Skip Intro  May 16, 2014 9:23:52am

I don’t know why they need the bullhorn in #372 above. There doesn’t appear to be more than 50 people there, 100 tops.

374 Pie-onist Overlord  May 16, 2014 9:23:55am
375 Kragar  May 16, 2014 9:25:30am
376 Iwouldprefernotto  May 16, 2014 9:27:11am

re: #346 HappyWarrior

or no one but poor minorities wanting “free stuff” voted for him. What they refuse to get is that Obama was much more appealing than the alternatives their party and ideology has to offer. Really conservatives, if you want to win elections, stop being the ideology of the sexually repressed and comically greedy.

is the name of my new band

377 Rightwingconspirator  May 16, 2014 9:27:12am

re: #375 Kragar

How ironic would it be if someone ran a quadcopter “DRONEZ” for footage of this fiasco?

378 bubba zanetti  May 16, 2014 9:29:06am

I’d like to propose Simpson’s Law:

Over time the odds of a Tea Party platform becoming Simpsons cosplay approaches 1.

379 Pie-onist Overlord  May 16, 2014 9:29:45am

I see that the Confederate/KKK flag photo is already debunked on Twitter, unlike the wingnuts who will spam a fake quote/meme/photo forfuckingever.

380 b.d.  May 16, 2014 9:29:47am

re: #377 Rightwingconspirator

How ironic would it be if someone ran a quadcopter “DRONEZ” for footage of this fiasco?

GOT ONE! DON’T BELIEVE THE LIBRUL MEDIA, THERE ARE TONS OF PEOPLE THERE!!
REAL PICTURE OF OAS!!!

381 Alyosha  May 16, 2014 9:30:58am

re: #371 b.d.

Can’t we get Putin to annex some of these OAS guys??

They’re too hardcore?

382 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  May 16, 2014 9:35:05am

re: #362 Pie-onist Overlord

I can’t view the livestream. Firewalled here.

It’s like a low-rent version of C-SPAN call-in shows where all the drunk crazies call in and rant at the host.

383 Dr Lizardo  May 16, 2014 9:36:28am

So basically, Louis Farrakhan got a better response back in 1995 than these “Patriots” (lolol) can pull off today, despite all the advances in telecommunications technologies.

Heh.

384 Kragar  May 16, 2014 9:48:50am
385 Iwouldprefernotto  May 16, 2014 9:50:49am

Reminds me of Hands Across America, but with less hands…

386 Pie-onist Overlord  May 16, 2014 9:50:51am

Butthurt patriot lashes out.

387 piratedan  May 16, 2014 9:50:51am

little did those OAS folks know that the ebil communist/fascist idiot 11th dimensional chess master Obama had secretly infiltrated their ranks and when all of these people peacefully arrived to overthrow his tyrannical despoting usurpiness they in fact arrived to be secretly airlifted in UN Black helicopters to a secret FEMA camp to have all of the wealth redistributed to welfare queens driving Cadillacs and resupplying their copious stocks of T-Bone steaks!

oh da humanity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

388 Dr Lizardo  May 16, 2014 9:53:44am

re: #386 Pie-onist Overlord

Butthurt patriot lashes out.

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Tweet him back that the Million Man March was a bigger success than Operation American Spring.

LOLOLOL

389 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  May 16, 2014 9:54:18am

Caller to OAS live stream: “I’m a white man in a black man’s world, because we have a black president and that’s why everything is falling apart. I voted for him twice because I was afraid of being called a racist.”

I can’t tell if he’s serious or just trolling.

390 iossarian  May 16, 2014 9:55:18am

re: #388 Dr Lizardo

Tweet him back that the Million Man March was a bigger success than Operation American Spring.

LOLOLOL

Maybe add “we surround you” as a kicker.

391 Targetpractice  May 16, 2014 9:55:48am

re: #386 Pie-onist Overlord

Butthurt patriot lashes out.

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“Used to”? What happened? Oh right, the Red Scare ended.

392 Varek Raith  May 16, 2014 9:58:41am

re: #391 Targetpractice

“Used to”? What happened? Oh right, the Red Scare ended.

God damn Soviet Union had to go and collapse!

393 Alyosha  May 16, 2014 10:00:23am

re: #389 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Caller to OAS live stream: “I’m a white man in a black man’s world, because we have a black president and that’s why everything is falling apart. I voted for him twice because I was afraid of being called a racist.”

I can’t tell if he’s serious or just trolling.

It was really weird, right? He kept identifying himself in a monotone voice that he was a ‘liberal progressive’ but that he was ‘afraid of his own shadow’.

Actually disturbing.

394 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 16, 2014 10:00:27am

You do have to understand that the Epic Fail of OAS is not gonna faze these people, and if you even try to bring it up bring it up, they will just change the subject and shout louder.

395 Kragar  May 16, 2014 10:00:32am
396 Pie-onist Overlord  May 16, 2014 10:02:17am

There is no mention of the “American Spring” EPIC FAIL on tcot, except for LIBRUL mockery.

397 Alyosha  May 16, 2014 10:03:02am

re: #394 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

There is a meme amongst call-ins that their comms are being jammed.
Seeing a few Guy Fawkes masks too.

398 blueraven  May 16, 2014 10:03:17am

re: #389 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Caller to OAS live stream: “I’m a white man in a black man’s world, because we have a black president and that’s why everything is falling apart. I voted for him twice because I was afraid of being called a racist.”

I can’t tell if he’s serious or just trolling.

I think it was both…claimed he was a liberal and scared of his own shadow.

I think most of the callers are trolls now.

Current caller...Why do they keep yelling Benghazi? No dignitaries were killed under Bush right?

399 Kragar  May 16, 2014 10:03:56am

re: #396 Pie-onist Overlord

There is no mention of the “American Spring” EPIC FAIL on tcot, except for LIBRUL mockery.

Having failed, they will never be mentioned again and be called a “False Flag” when brought up

400 Alyosha  May 16, 2014 10:04:30am

I’m going back in!

401 Kragar  May 16, 2014 10:05:25am
402 Skip Intro  May 16, 2014 10:07:07am

re: #398 blueraven

I think it was both…claimed he was a liberal and scared of his own shadow.

I think most of the callers are trolls now.

Current caller...Why do they keep yelling Benghazi? No dignitaries were killed under Bush right?

And no terrorist attacks happened, either.

“America was certainly safe between 2000 and 2008,” he said. “I don’t remember any attacks on American soil during that period of time.” - Eric Bolling on, where else, Fox News.

ontd-political.livejournal.com

403 ObserverArt  May 16, 2014 10:07:07am

Has anyone else been having a hard time getting their freaking browser to load LGF? The last two days it has been a real bitch getting in here. It seems to be the pop up ad windows that hangs everything up for me. I’ve never had this problem before.

I’ve tried different browsers, I’ve tried different anti-virus settings, no anti-virus, updates of flash players, searching for the flash problems on the ‘net. It’s been a big waste of time.

I’d love to pay for the no-pop up option, but my economy while I try to build some clientele prevents it at this time. Maybe something is wrong with how the ads come to the site from elsewhere and the ‘net is messing all that up. Hopefully it is just a transitory thing and it will go away.

Oh well. Such is life. Gotta go with what works. Yeah, I’m bummed. After finally getting in, I just wanted to post to see if anyone else has had issues and what maybe some have done to get around it, etc. After the battle to get in here, I’m outta gas.

: (

404 sattv4u2  May 16, 2014 10:07:47am

re: #395 Kragar

re: #401 Kragar

well stated!!

405 Skip Intro  May 16, 2014 10:09:23am

re: #403 ObserverArt

Yeah, I have. Firefox is worse, but it happens with Chrome too.

Safari on an iPad is unusable, because the site freezes and you can’t scroll.

406 wrenchwench  May 16, 2014 10:12:14am
407 HappyWarrior  May 16, 2014 10:12:26am

re: #376 Iwouldprefernotto

is the name of my new band

Hahaha go for it but that’s the GOP base in a nutshell for me.

408 Bulworth  May 16, 2014 10:12:36am

Sorry I can’t make Operation American Spring today. Feline Overlord’s still at the vet’s.

409 wrenchwench  May 16, 2014 10:13:25am

re: #408 Bulworth

Sorry I can’t make Operation American Spring today. Feline Overlord’s still at the vet’s.

{{Feline Overlord}}

410 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 16, 2014 10:13:41am

re: #406 wrenchwench

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At first I though it said “minstrel protest”.

411 FemNaziBitch  May 16, 2014 10:14:25am

Turns out that “Our Lady of Duck Dynasty ” is a Corporate Welfare Queen

I’m back.

Whadimith?

412 iossarian  May 16, 2014 10:15:43am

I would be at Operation American Spring but I’m saving up to go to St. Nazaire for the Minstrel Protest.

413 FemNaziBitch  May 16, 2014 10:16:06am

re: #293 b.d.

I am sorry FemNaziBitch, hope the news turns out better than feared.

Thanks! It’s a hurry up and wait situation.

414 Pie-onist Overlord  May 16, 2014 10:16:12am
415 sattv4u2  May 16, 2014 10:16:18am

re: #410 Backwoods_Sleuth

At first I though it said “minstrel protest”.

Take Mydol

no,, wait ,, thats for menstrual protest!!

416 RealityBasedSteve  May 16, 2014 10:16:23am

re: #399 Kragar

Having failed, they will never be mentioned again and be called a “False Flag” when brought up

Exactly. The meme will be “we knew it was an attempt to lure us in so that “they” could declare Martial Law, but we are too smart for them”.

Once again, it will be proof-positive of the old adage “There is no delusion stronger than self delusion”.

RBS

417 Kragar  May 16, 2014 10:17:52am
418 iossarian  May 16, 2014 10:18:15am

I would be at Operation American Spring but I’m too busy railing against tyranny on the internet.

419 sattv4u2  May 16, 2014 10:18:53am

re: #418 iossarian

I would be at Operation American Spring but I’m too busy railing against tyranny on the internet.

I used Irish Spring in the shower this morning. Does that count??

420 Skip Intro  May 16, 2014 10:20:16am
421 Decatur Deb  May 16, 2014 11:07:22am

Somewhere Stewart and Colbert remember the Sanity rally and smirk, in that Liberal Jewish/Catholic way.


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