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1 Charles Johnson  Jun 19, 2014 11:54:29am

Added a little zing to the title…

2 wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2014 11:58:34am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Added a little zing to the title…

You should offer a seminar on headline writing.

3 Charles Johnson  Jun 19, 2014 11:59:44am

The cognitive dissonance it takes to even think something like this is really mind-boggling.

These people are masters at self-delusion.

4 Gus  Jun 19, 2014 12:02:41pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

The cognitive dissonance it takes to even think something like this is really mind-boggling.

These people are masters at self-delusion.

Started happening right after that Pew study on political polarization came out.

5 jaunte  Jun 19, 2014 12:05:19pm

So maybe there were small dinosaurs invited onto the Ark, and maybe they got left behind. It’s a big tent.

6 Charles Johnson  Jun 19, 2014 12:06:47pm
7 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 12:07:54pm

re: #5 jaunte

So maybe there were small dinosaurs invited onto the Ark, and maybe they got left behind. It’s a big tent.

Either spherical or flat Earth is between 6 and 20 thousand years old and either does or does not revolve around the Sun.

8 Gus  Jun 19, 2014 12:09:39pm

re: #5 jaunte

So maybe there were small dinosaurs invited onto the Ark, and maybe they got left behind. It’s a big tent.

Climate change is God made.

9 Gus  Jun 19, 2014 12:11:34pm

“We don’t believe in climate change for different reasons.”

“We don’t approve of _____________________ for different reasons.”

10 Kragar  Jun 19, 2014 12:23:46pm

Tom Nichols has beclowned himself over this.

11 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 19, 2014 12:31:19pm

*insert J Jonah Jameson laugh here*

12 Kragar  Jun 19, 2014 12:37:09pm

re: #11 Eclectic Cyborg

*insert J Jonah Jameson laugh here*

Youtube Video

13 Ian G.  Jun 19, 2014 1:06:45pm

Damn you all for beating me to the “different flavors of creationism” and “different flavors of climate change denial” jokes.

14 b.d.  Jun 19, 2014 1:07:38pm

SOME OF THINK WE SHOULD REPEAL AND REPLACE OBAMACARE WHILE OTHERS THINK WE SHOULD REPLACE AND REPEAL OBAMACARE

15 Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2014 1:09:27pm

Yes, there’s a grand diversity of thought in conservative circles. They regularly argue over just how high the wall along the southern border should be and whether or not landmines are necessary.

16 Gus  Jun 19, 2014 1:10:01pm
17 Gus  Jun 19, 2014 1:10:14pm
18 Kid A  Jun 19, 2014 1:10:33pm

David Frum strayed from the party line on the ACA and was tarred and feathered, excommunicated and banished from the ranks forever.

19 ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2014 1:10:39pm

Just more Hot Air!

20 Justanotherhuman  Jun 19, 2014 1:10:58pm

There’s such diversity of thought among Republicans that the ‘baggers have taken over the House majority leadership. And Boehner will fall right in line.

21 piratedan  Jun 19, 2014 1:11:13pm

obviously Hypnotoad was unavailable for comment……

also too, now that McCarthy takes over for Cantor, does he get Buck Owens’ old Buckaroo as his unofficial theme music?

22 GeneJockey  Jun 19, 2014 1:11:17pm

re: #13 Ian G.

Damn you all for beating me to the “different flavors of creationism” and “different flavors of climate change denial” jokes.

They run the gamut from A to B.

They come in all sorts of colors from bone to ecru.

23 ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2014 1:11:45pm

re: #18 Kid A

David Frum strayed from the party line on the ACA and was tarred and feathered, excommunicated and banished from the ranks forever.

Let me guess…it was done by a uniformity of opinion within their ranks.

24 Gus  Jun 19, 2014 1:11:49pm
25 Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2014 1:12:10pm

Holy shit, here’s an epic Breitbrat wingnut comment:

The Anti-Statist • a few seconds ago

TRAITOR ESTABLISHMENT REPUBLIGOONS

The idiot, leftist-loon, statist RepbuliGoons that control the RepbuliGoon faction of the constitution-contemptuous DemonKrap & RepubliGoon ruling duopoly have spit in the faces of true conservatives, i.e. ones who actually revere the constitution rather than just give it lip-service. They did this by making Leftist-loon Eric Cantor’s clone the new majority leader. With McCarthy, It will be business-as-usual, Chamber Of Commerece-keester-kissing open-borders, bigger-more-controlling-and-more-spending government a la phony conservative Bush and his bigger government schemes. They along with the evil DemonKraps are nothing more than Tyranny Party excrement-bagger puppets.

NOTE:
Unlike the Tea Party patriots who revere the Constitution and it precepts of a constitutionally limited Federal Government, 10th Amendment state’s rights and 9th Amendment guaranteed individual liberties, MSNBC/NBC/CBS/ABC/CNN/MTV/Huff-Post/Wa Po/NYT-indoctrinated and propagandized, amoral post-modernist,
constitution-contemptuous, traitorous, racist, sexist, baby-butchering, sodomy-celebrating, marriage-devaluing, rights-from-government-not-from-God believing, 2nd Amendment-hating, innocents-murdering, criminal and domestic terrorist-empowering, illegal alien foreign invader enabling, societal-parasite-pandering
Tyranny Party excrement-baggers smear the constitution, and the blood of those who died to defend it, with the pathogenic excreta of elitist, fascist contempt drawn from their ever-present, power-and-control-greedy, liberty-hating,
slavery-to-the-state-supporting, government-is-god, philosophical bag of egalitarian, neo-Marxist feces

Just damn…..that’s a meltdown in my book. I’m lovin’ it!! MOAR TEARZ!!!

26 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2014 1:12:21pm

Steve Scalise on twitter:
twitter.com

27 Gus  Jun 19, 2014 1:12:30pm
28 GeneJockey  Jun 19, 2014 1:12:34pm

re: #24 Gus

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“The Force Confirmation Bias is strong in this one.”

29 Ian G.  Jun 19, 2014 1:14:09pm

re: #16 Gus

Someone hit Stevie in the head with the Jefferson Bible, please.

30 wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2014 1:14:10pm

re: #25 Dr Lizardo

Take out the hyphens and it becomes more of a slaw than word salad.

31 Gus  Jun 19, 2014 1:14:38pm
32 ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2014 1:14:52pm

re: #21 piratedan

obviously Hypnotoad was unavailable for comment……

also too, now that McCarthy takes over for Cantor, does he get Buck Owens’ old Buckaroo as his unofficial theme music?

Nice. Buck and the Buckaroos were the Bakersfield sound.

33 Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2014 1:15:13pm

re: #30 wrenchwench

Take out the hyphens and it becomes more of a slaw than word salad.

Heh.

I read that and thought, “Damn - that’s a ragegasm if I ever saw one.”

34 Gus  Jun 19, 2014 1:15:34pm
35 Amory Blaine  Jun 19, 2014 1:15:57pm

RINO!!

36 Gus  Jun 19, 2014 1:16:45pm
37 ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2014 1:17:17pm

Why are the GOP people speaking right now on TV talking about how united they all are? Why, it almost comes off like they are saying they enforce uniformity of opinion within their ranks.

Strong and United!

38 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 1:17:19pm

re: #21 piratedan

obviously Hypnotoad was unavailable for comment……

also too, now that McCarthy takes over for Cantor, does he get Buck Owens’ old Buckaroo as his unofficial theme music?

39 Ian G.  Jun 19, 2014 1:17:21pm

re: #27 Gus

Brilliant.

Word of advice for Stevie. If we ever reach the point where it’s 75 and sunny in January in DC, we won’t be there to watch the inauguration, because human civilization will have ceased to exist, and the planets biosphere will be devastated like nothing since the K-T asteroid impact.

Oh right, Stevie doesn’t believe in the K-T extinction because the Bible.

40 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2014 1:17:22pm

bwahahaa…
Watching Boehner clown car presser right now and they are blaming DC inaction on the Senate.

41 ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2014 1:18:26pm

Yep, “united” is the word of the day.

Hahah. No lock stepping there. Fucking idiots. More Hot Air!

42 KiTA  Jun 19, 2014 1:18:40pm
43 GeneJockey  Jun 19, 2014 1:20:12pm

re: #38 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

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Needz moar *BVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV*

44 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 19, 2014 1:20:32pm

Oh shit

45 klys  Jun 19, 2014 1:20:33pm

So re: the Gallup poll on Congress ratings, when is Chuck Todd going to say that Congress is over?

46 Bubblehead II  Jun 19, 2014 1:20:46pm

re: #42 KiTA

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What’s shaking?

47 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 19, 2014 1:20:58pm

re: #25 Dr Lizardo

Well, that’s saying something. What it is, I have no earthly idea, but it’s something.

RBS

48 Gus  Jun 19, 2014 1:22:33pm
49 piratedan  Jun 19, 2014 1:22:53pm

re: #45 klys

Chuck Todd is the equivalent of Kevin Bacon’s character in Animal House standing on the sidewalk screaming “ALL IS WELL!!!!!!!” in regards to the Congressional GOP’s popularity

50 Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2014 1:23:31pm

re: #47 RealityBasedSteve

Well, that’s saying something. What it is, I have no earthly idea, but it’s something.

RBS

It’s like something out of “Day of the Locust”.

51 Amory Blaine  Jun 19, 2014 1:24:45pm

Youtube Video

52 Gus  Jun 19, 2014 1:24:48pm
53 Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2014 1:24:50pm

re: #45 klys

So re: the Gallup poll on Congress ratings, when is Chuck Todd going to say that Congress is over?

Remember, it’s not Chuck Todd’s job to actually apply critical thinking, it’s the White House’s.

54 EPR-radar  Jun 19, 2014 1:24:57pm

re: #25 Dr Lizardo

He seems like a nice person.

And his tears are delicious.

55 simoom  Jun 19, 2014 1:26:46pm

From the same interview GG is praising, a couple more “tough & uncomfortable questions to the Cheneys”:

“When the president came into office, President Obama and Vice President Joe Biden, came into office, the vice president was celebratory about the situation in Iraq, and said that it may be one of their greatest successes. That’s how he described it in 2010. That Iraq could be one of the Obama administration’s greatest successes, he predicted. Do you think, let me give this one to you Liz, do you think that that is a game changer, in terms of the political way this is playing out, for all the people that want to blame the Cheneys and the Bushes?”

And:

“These are questions that are out there, and that are being raised, and who better to respond to them than you. And I know that, now you’ve formed this group, and your group wants to reverse President Obama’s policies, that I know, you, mister Vice President believe have endangered America’s security. First tell us why you think that and tell us you you think, you know, this non-profit group can do anything to stop a President?”

And:

“Do you think President Obama is dangerous?”

And here was Kelly ranting just a day before:

mediaite.com

“Breaking tonight: is Barack Obama’s presidency imploding? Al Qaeda is re-surging, Iraq is disintegrating, and now we may look to Iran to help us stop it. Iran. A terrorist regime responsible for the deaths of thousands of Americans. What could possibly go wrong? We draw red lines in Syria we refuse to enforce, we stood by as Russia seized part of Ukraine and now we are releasing top Taliban leaders as the Afghanistan war is still going. Not to worry, they tell us, Qatar is going to watch them, for a year, we hope.

“Domestically we have a president who has lost the trust of the American people by repeatedly misleading them. He bypasses Congress, the People’s representatives. On matters ranging from ObamaCare to immigration law, to the point where one of the most respected liberal law professors in the country has called our president the very danger our Constitution was designed to avoid.”

“The American public overwhelmingly regrets ObamaCare, our veterans are dying waiting to see doctors, the IRS intimidates conservative groups, the southern border is compared to a sieve, and the President assures us not to worry. Smiling. Golfing. And at this very moment, partying with fashion queen Anna Wintour. Because the fundraising never stops. Not when four Americans die in Benghazi, and not when Baghdad is at the brink.”

Kelly describes herself as one of FNC’s “straight-news anchor”s. ///

56 Amory Blaine  Jun 19, 2014 1:26:53pm

re: #52 Gus

There’s an open spot…

57 Kragar  Jun 19, 2014 1:26:58pm
58 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 19, 2014 1:28:32pm
59 GeneJockey  Jun 19, 2014 1:29:17pm

re: #55 simoom

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From the same interview GG is praising, a couple more “tough & uncomfortable questions to the Cheneys”:

And:

And:

And here was Kelly ranting just a day before:

mediaite.com

Kelly describes herself as one of FNC’s “straight-news anchor”s. ///

Perhaps she meant to day “One of FNC’s straight news-anchors”, rather than “straight-news anchors”.

60 Bubblehead II  Jun 19, 2014 1:29:51pm

Meat world stuff to do bbl

61 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 1:30:03pm

re: #58 NJDhockeyfan

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Would not be surprised, but “VIZA” makes me think it’s a fake.

62 wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2014 1:30:23pm

re: #48 Gus

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On the other hand: twitter.com

63 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 1:30:44pm

re: #58 NJDhockeyfan

Oh, I should have looked at the number, lol. Of course a fake.

64 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 19, 2014 1:31:41pm

re: #25 Dr Lizardo

Holy shit, here’s an epic Breitbrat wingnut comment:

Just damn…..that’s a meltdown in my book. I’m lovin’ it!! MOAR TEARZ!!!

GOP solution to the Texas drought - wingnut tears!
///

65 wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2014 1:31:48pm

re: #56 Amory Blaine

There’s an open spot…

And a splash behind them….

66 Gus  Jun 19, 2014 1:32:20pm

re: #62 wrenchwench

On the other hand: twitter.com

SNAFU

I hereby proclaim the House GOP has an enforced uniformity of opinion.

67 Stanley Sea  Jun 19, 2014 1:32:31pm

Rooney!!!

68 Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2014 1:32:33pm

re: #47 RealityBasedSteve

re: #54 EPR-radar

One Friday night in the “Tabernacle of the Third Coming”, a man near Tod stood up to speak. Although his name most likely was Thompson or Johnson and his home town Sioux City, he had the same counter-sunk eyes, like the heads of burnished spikes, that a monk by Magnasco might have.

He was very angry. The message he had brought to the city was one that an illiterate anchorite might have given decadent Rome. It was a crazy jumble of dietary rules, economics and Biblical threats. He claimed to have see the Tiger of Wrath stalking the walls of the citadel and the Jackal of Lust skulking in the shrubbery, and he connected these omens with “thirty dollars every Thursday and meat eating.” Tod didn’t laugh at the man’s rhetoric. He knew it was unimportant. What mattered were his hearers. They sprang to their feet, shaking their fists and shouting. On the altar, someone began to beat a bass drum and soon the entire congregation was singing “Onward Christian Soliders.”

-The Day of the Locust, Nathanael West

69 NJDhockeyfan  Jun 19, 2014 1:32:44pm
70 Gus  Jun 19, 2014 1:34:12pm

re: #65 wrenchwench

And a splash behind them….

Oddly enough it’s the opposite with McCarthy.

71 CuriousLurker  Jun 19, 2014 1:34:25pm

OT Drive-by: Ugh. The guy financing these people flat out admits his marketing & profits and says he wants a holy war/crusade. When the reporter asks him if he realizes that his rhetoric is identical to that of the radical Islamists he says, “Maybe it is, but we’re right, they’re wrong.” *headdesk*

Speaking of, I got trolled by a Bible-thumper after tweeting CD’s Page about the Murfreesboro mosque—it was some stupid non-sequitur about ISIS destroying churches in Iraq. What is that even supposed to mean? WTF do terrorists in Iraq have to do with-law abiding American Muslims? Or maybe she thinks Christians in the U.S. should be more like ISIS and destroy mosques? And this was a woman using a Bible verse as her Twitter handle and constantly spouting scripture. The stupid, it burns.

I blocked her without bothering to respond, but I did follow up with:

72 Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2014 1:34:36pm

re: #69 NJDhockeyfan

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WAR!!!!

73 Killgore Trout  Jun 19, 2014 1:38:07pm

Flight Deck Operations USS George H.W. Bush (CVN-77)

Video by Petty Officer 3rd Class Ryan Seelbach Navy Media Content Services

Liveleak Video

74 Decatur Deb  Jun 19, 2014 1:38:34pm

re: #58 NJDhockeyfan

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Card is not someone’s real account. Look at the number sequence.

75 Gus  Jun 19, 2014 1:40:25pm
76 Ian G.  Jun 19, 2014 1:46:13pm

re: #75 Gus

DIVERSITY OF OPINION!!!! CHECKMATE, LIBTARDS!!!!

77 Justanotherhuman  Jun 19, 2014 1:46:15pm

Why is Julian Assange on MSNBC commenting on Iraq?

He has nothing to do with US foreign policy.

Butt out, you rapist.

78 jaunte  Jun 19, 2014 1:46:26pm

re: #73 Killgore Trout

Video by Petty Officer 3rd Class Ryan Seelbach Navy Media Content Services

He has an interesting job. He probably has about 6sq feet of designated space to shoot from on deck.

79 jaunte  Jun 19, 2014 1:47:52pm

re: #75 Gus

Purge!

80 Ace-o-aces  Jun 19, 2014 1:48:31pm

re: #58 NJDhockeyfan

It’s official, capitalism wins.

81 Killgore Trout  Jun 19, 2014 1:48:40pm

re: #78 jaunte

He has an interesting job. He probably has about 6sq feet of designated space to shoot from on deck.

It’s always fascinating to watch those guys work. Everybody’s 6 inches away from serious injury or death.

82 Gus  Jun 19, 2014 1:49:25pm

re: #79 jaunte

Purge!

83 ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2014 1:49:27pm

re: #77 Justanotherhuman

Why is Julian Assange on MSNBC commenting on Iraq?

He has nothing to do with US foreign policy.

Butt out, you rapist.

Probably has something to do with both liberals being uniform of opinion and the fact the MSNBC corporate overlords are forcing the staff writers to make Alex Wagner ask these questions from their prepared scripts.

/

84 jaunte  Jun 19, 2014 1:49:31pm

re: #81 Killgore Trout

I would not want to be the guy down at the business end of the catapult.

85 Justanotherhuman  Jun 19, 2014 1:50:06pm

We’re getting a pretty good t-storm here. Finally.

86 Justanotherhuman  Jun 19, 2014 1:51:01pm

Shit. Getting small hail now.

87 Justanotherhuman  Jun 19, 2014 1:54:37pm

MSNBC chyron: 52 organizations call on DOJ to close criminal investigation of Wikileaks.

Doesn’t name them.

88 EPR-radar  Jun 19, 2014 1:55:46pm

re: #75 Gus

So the TX GOP party platform is supposed to not represent the views of TX GOPers? Ridiculous. That platform is a GOP document. The least they can do is own their own work.

Every day is opposite day in RWNJ-land.

89 Justanotherhuman  Jun 19, 2014 1:56:11pm

The Guardian probably loves this.

Uruguay wins 2-1, leaving England on the brink of elimination - @guardian_sport
Read more on theguardian.com

90 KiTA  Jun 19, 2014 1:56:49pm

re: #46 Bubblehead II

What’s shaking?

Bupkiss over here. The Steam (online video game store) Summer sale started today, so I’m trying to avoid spending my rent on video games. :P

Other than that, I might break a few laws and take the car out for a spin late tonight. Although I’m probably too responsible to do that.

91 Charles Johnson  Jun 19, 2014 1:56:52pm

re: #55 simoom

Exactly - it’s so pathetic that Greenwald calls this “tough” questioning. He’s not stupid - I’m sure he knows it wasn’t. So what exactly is his purpose for trying to sell people on the false Fox narrative?

92 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 1:57:22pm

Kawaii ^_^

93 Lidane  Jun 19, 2014 1:57:45pm
94 Charles Johnson  Jun 19, 2014 1:58:18pm

As far as I can tell, the only coherent ideology or objective Glenn Greenwald has is to throw a monkey wrench into the US political system.

95 team_fukit  Jun 19, 2014 1:59:58pm

re: #93 Lidane

awww, ugh!! that’s Virginia “Matthew Shepard was a Hoax” Foxx right behind him!

96 b.d.  Jun 19, 2014 2:00:23pm

re: #94 Charles Johnson

As far as I can tell, the only coherent ideology or objective Glenn Greenwald has is to throw a monkey wrench into the US political system.

He’s a professional troll.

97 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2014 2:00:58pm

re: #93 Lidane

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Virginia Foxx looks like she haz a serious sad.

98 Gus  Jun 19, 2014 2:01:27pm

re: #96 b.d.

He’s a professional troll.

The $250 million troll.

99 wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2014 2:02:18pm

re: #98 Gus

The $250 million troll.

I hear you can acquire some top sock puppets with that kind of financing.

100 b.d.  Jun 19, 2014 2:03:05pm

re: #98 Gus

The $250 million troll.

So far no one has done more to silence the dudebro writers than Pierre.

Put all your dudebros in one basket, pay them, don’t ask for any work = genius.

101 Justanotherhuman  Jun 19, 2014 2:03:48pm

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

Virginia Foxx looks like she haz a serious sad.

That’s her normal look—that of an ignorant but ambitious know-nothing. And she was once president of a community college. Connections, not a real educator, just faked it.

Oh, real name was Virginia Palmieri, born in The Bronx and a northerner until she met wealthy (for the NC area) farmer Thomas Foxx.

102 Kragar  Jun 19, 2014 2:04:42pm

I’m probably far more amused by this than I should be:

103 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 19, 2014 2:05:27pm

re: #101 Justanotherhuman

That’s her normal look—that of an ignorant but ambitious know-nothing. And she was once president of a community college. Connections, not a real educator, just faked it.

Saw a commercial the other day with the guy saying, “To be successful, you first have to dress like you’re successful.” No interest in the product being sold, but it does sum up the shallowness and focus on appearance over performance you see in a lot of places.

104 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 19, 2014 2:06:23pm

re: #102 Kragar

The borrowers as a military assault platoon is a sort of amusing concept.

105 wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2014 2:08:03pm
106 b.d.  Jun 19, 2014 2:09:26pm

re: #105 wrenchwench

Hell, I’ll write a couple of them.

//

Not like an op-ed in the Washington Times is going to sway opinion.

107 Gus  Jun 19, 2014 2:09:33pm

re: #105 wrenchwench

108 b.d.  Jun 19, 2014 2:10:20pm

…nothing here…

109 Kragar  Jun 19, 2014 2:10:23pm

re: #104 Feline Fearless Leader

The borrowers as a military assault platoon is a sort of amusing concept.

More than likely, I have the original book on a shelf or in a box somewhere.

110 Justanotherhuman  Jun 19, 2014 2:11:40pm

Now Boehner has the nerve to say this?

House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio: ‘I want to congratulate the new members of our leadership team..Competition is a good thing’ - @ChadPergram
see original on twitter.com

What fucking “competition”?

111 wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2014 2:13:01pm

re: #107 Gus

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Well, he totally screwed that up, unless they are paying people to place ads.

112 wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2014 2:13:42pm
113 b.d.  Jun 19, 2014 2:14:10pm

re: #111 wrenchwench

Well, he totally screwed that up, unless they are paying people to place ads.

I’ll take a dozen!

114 wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2014 2:14:19pm
115 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 2:14:35pm

re: #112 wrenchwench

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“Hug me if you dare”

116 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2014 2:16:36pm

re: #107 Gus

“…chance to write an edit and compliment the issue…”

They need proofreaders.

117 piratedan  Jun 19, 2014 2:19:04pm

re: #116 Backwoods_Sleuth

it speaks to their uniqueness by not staying in lockstep with the literate folks….

118 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2014 2:20:21pm

re: #117 piratedan

it speaks to their uniqueness by not staying in lockstep with the literate folks….

pandering to their base…

119 Gus  Jun 19, 2014 2:20:42pm

“Do you think that Oswald was the only person who to shoot Jack Kennedy our president?” Sessions said. “I don’t know. You know, if they go down there and recreate it, it’s really hard for a guy with that rifle to pop-pop-pop. When my dad was the FBI director the number one question was ‘Who really killed Kennedy?’ I don’t know. I don’t know. I was in Washington; I wasn’t close, but let me tell you what: That plane did come and land at the Pentagon and that was a bunch of evil people and I will tell you the guys that took down the plane over Pennsylvania were heroes and I will tell you that guys were thugs that initially came after us and we were innocent people who never thought this would happen.”

120 GeneJockey  Jun 19, 2014 2:21:33pm

re: #118 Backwoods_Sleuth

pandering to their base…

Pandaring to they’re bass?

121 Justanotherhuman  Jun 19, 2014 2:22:54pm

re: #119 Gus

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“Do you think that Oswald was the only person who to shoot Jack Kennedy our president?” Sessions said. “I don’t know. You know, if they go down there and recreate it, it’s really hard for a guy with that rifle to pop-pop-pop. When my dad was the FBI director the number one question was ‘Who really killed Kennedy?’ I don’t know. I don’t know. I was in Washington; I wasn’t close, but let me tell you what: That plane did come and land at the Pentagon and that was a bunch of evil people and I will tell you the guys that took down the plane over Pennsylvania were heroes and I will tell you that guys were thugs that initially came after us and we were innocent people who never thought this would happen.”

He sounds illiterate.

122 piratedan  Jun 19, 2014 2:23:30pm

re: #119 Gus

ty for that example of Republican extemporaneous speaking, brought to you by our sponsors The Koch Brothers Industrial Group, where we take insidious to a whole other level……

123 GeneJockey  Jun 19, 2014 2:23:47pm

re: #121 Justanotherhuman

He sounds illiterate.

Illiterate, hell. He sounds incoherent.

124 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2014 2:23:48pm

re: #120 GeneJockey

Pandaring to they’re bass?

and complimenting them, too..

125 Justanotherhuman  Jun 19, 2014 2:25:21pm

re: #123 GeneJockey

Illiterate, hell. He sounds incoherent.

Was I too kind? : )

126 wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2014 2:27:16pm

OK, that’s enough. If not too much.

128 Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2014 2:35:13pm

re: #126 wrenchwench

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OK, that’s enough. If not too much.

Might have spent too much time around Ian.

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129 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2014 2:36:49pm

re: #119 Gus

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“Do you think that Oswald was the only person who to shoot Jack Kennedy our president?” Sessions said. “I don’t know. You know, if they go down there and recreate it, it’s really hard for a guy with that rifle to pop-pop-pop. When my dad was the FBI director the number one question was ‘Who really killed Kennedy?’ I don’t know. I don’t know. I was in Washington; I wasn’t close, but let me tell you what: That plane did come and land at the Pentagon and that was a bunch of evil people and I will tell you the guys that took down the plane over Pennsylvania were heroes and I will tell you that guys were thugs that initially came after us and we were innocent people who never thought this would happen.”

what the hell is Pete talking about?
His father wasn’t anywhere near the FBI or DC when Kennedy was assassinated.
From wiki:

[William] Sessions was an attorney for the firm of Haley, Fulbright, Winniford, Sessions, and Bice in Waco, Texas from 1958 until 1969. He was then appointed Chief of the Government Operations Section, Criminal Division of the Department of Justice in Washington, D.C., where he served until his appointment as United States Attorney for the Western District of Texas in 1971. In 1974 he was appointed United States District Judge for that district, becoming Chief Judge in 1980. He also served on the Board of the Federal Judicial Center in Washington, D C, and on committees of both the State Bar of Texas and the Judicial Conference of the United States. Overall he has been a practicing attorney for more than 40 years. He also is associated with the National Youth Leadership Forum on Law (NYLF/LAW).

130 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 19, 2014 2:37:40pm

For the those who are geologically curious about the photo - it’s Paleozoic sedimentary rocks in northwestern Malaysia. Siltstone, sandstone, and upper layers of limestone that have been heavily folded and partially metamorphized. From a quarry made into the edge of a bukit (hill). Most of the quarries in Malaysia are like this since the water table is quite high.

Many of the bukits also have caves since they’re karst formation where rain water percolates through them from the top, dissolves limestone on the way down, and flows out the bottom. Rain more, and repeat. Also some lower level caves from the land being lower (or sea higher) and thus allowing cave formation due to direct erosion by wave action.

131 Kragar  Jun 19, 2014 2:40:40pm
132 Kragar  Jun 19, 2014 2:41:09pm

re: #130 Feline Fearless Leader

For the those who are geologically curious about the photo - it’s Paleozoic sedimentary rocks in northwestern Malaysia. Siltstone, sandstone, and upper layers of limestone that have been heavily folded and partially metamorphized. From a quarry made into the edge of a bukit (hill). Most of the quarries in Malaysia are like this since the water table is quite high.

Many of the bukits also have caves since they’re karst formation where rain water percolates through them from the top, dissolves limestone on the way down, and flows out the bottom. Rain more, and repeat. Also some lower level caves from the land being lower (or sea higher) and thus allowing cave formation due to direct erosion by wave action.

Or, to the layman, SHINY ROCKS!

133 dog philosopher  Jun 19, 2014 2:43:22pm

re: #130 Feline Fearless Leader

For the those who are geologically curious about the photo - it’s Paleozoic sedimentary rocks in northwestern Malaysia. Siltstone, sandstone, and upper layers of limestone that have been heavily folded and partially metamorphized. From a quarry made into the edge of a bukit (hill). Most of the quarries in Malaysia are like this since the water table is quite high.

Many of the bukits also have caves since they’re karst formation where rain water percolates through them from the top, dissolves limestone on the way down, and flows out the bottom. Rain more, and repeat. Also some lower level caves from the land being lower (or sea higher) and thus allowing cave formation due to direct erosion by wave action.

i was geologically curious but then i had a sedimentary experience and now i feel metamorphic

134 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 19, 2014 2:45:46pm

re: #132 Kragar

Or, to the layman, SHINY ROCKS!

Those were less metamorphized than the stuff around Philadelphia. The latter (Wissahickon Formation) has generally cooked enough for the quartz and mica to layer and make it shiny. The layers in the Malaysia picture had been deformed heavily, but apparently not been heated as hot or for as long. But still messed with enough that finding fossils in them would be a slim proposition. Which was disappointing to my palentologist brother, but he still found Malaysian geology interesting due to its complexity.

135 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 19, 2014 2:46:41pm

re: #133 dog philosopher

i was geologically curious but then i had a sedimentary experience and now i feel metamorphic

So you basically lay around until things got too hot for you.

;)

136 wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2014 2:50:39pm

re: #135 Feline Fearless Leader

So you basically lay around until things got too hot for you.

;)

Hey now, is that gneiss?

137 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 19, 2014 2:50:55pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

what the hell is Pete talking about?
His father wasn’t anywhere near the FBI or DC when Kennedy was assassinated.
From wiki:

Just more delusions, thinking nobody could find out the truth, so he lies in an attempt to look like an expert in the matter.

139 Lidane  Jun 19, 2014 2:54:20pm

It’s one thing to have a formal job interview and not move forward. It’s another to be invited to a “social mixer” at a company, be given a tour, spend two hours having small talk with people and getting a rejection letter anyway.

GAH. I’m out of patience with the job market now. This is bullshit.

140 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 2:54:36pm

re: #138 Dr Lizardo

aww

141 Killgore Trout  Jun 19, 2014 2:56:20pm

Who’s up for some regime change in Iraq?
U.S. officials said to be pushing for the removal of Iraq’s leader

142 Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2014 2:56:28pm

re: #140 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

aww

Apparently, England is out if Italy doesn’t win their upcoming match against Costa Rica tomorrow.

143 Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2014 2:57:59pm

re: #141 Killgore Trout

Who’s up for some regime change in Iraq?
U.S. officials said to be pushing for the removal of Iraq’s leader

Because that worked so well before…

144 Killgore Trout  Jun 19, 2014 2:58:29pm

re: #141 Killgore Trout

Who’s up for some regime change in Iraq?
U.S. officials said to be pushing for the removal of Iraq’s leader

I would think Maliki and quite possibly the Iranians are go to try to prevent that.

145 Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2014 3:00:33pm

re: #140 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

aww

Actually, more than just an Italian victory tomorrow.

England need Cesare Prandelli’s side [Italy] to win BOTH their final two fixtures - against Costa Rica tomorrow, and Uruguay next week. Anything else, and the Three Lions cannot match the points totals of either of the sides from the Americas.

Then England must beat Costa Rica in their final match - and beat them well - and hope that they can do enough to finish in second place on goal difference.

mirror.co.uk

146 Gus  Jun 19, 2014 3:01:19pm
147 Killgore Trout  Jun 19, 2014 3:01:50pm

Why would Maliki agree to reforms, ask us to help and allow US advisers if we’re working to throw him out?

148 Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2014 3:02:29pm

re: #147 Killgore Trout

Why would Maliki agree to reforms, ask us to help and allow US advisers if we’re working to throw him out?

Better question: Why are we pulling Maliki’s ass out of the fire?

149 Killgore Trout  Jun 19, 2014 3:04:44pm

re: #143 Targetpractice

Because that worked so well before…

I’m hoping it goes better this time but don’t see much reason why this one will be different.

151 Lidane  Jun 19, 2014 3:05:56pm
152 Killgore Trout  Jun 19, 2014 3:06:22pm

re: #148 Targetpractice

Better question: Why are we pulling Maliki’s ass out of the fire?

Another good question. I would assume we have some interest though I’m not sure what that would be.

153 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2014 3:07:02pm
154 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 3:07:24pm
155 klys  Jun 19, 2014 3:07:54pm

Maybe.

Perhaps.

Well actually.

Maybe not.

Potato.

156 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 3:08:28pm
157 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2014 3:10:34pm

re: #155 klys

Maybe.

Perhaps.

Well actually.

Maybe not.

Potato.

concerns

158 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2014 3:12:50pm

re: #146 Gus

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And here I thought the worst thing about them was that they didn’t rescind their ban on interracial dating until the late 90’s.

159 Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2014 3:14:01pm

re: #156 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

I see Russia’s leadership is singing that old gospel song, “Gimme That Old-Time Religion” - and by that, I mean anti-Semitism.

I’m just waiting for someone in a high-level official capacity to say, “IT’S THE JOOOOOOOS, MAN!!”

*smh*

160 wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2014 3:16:29pm
161 wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2014 3:17:25pm

And one for Gus.

162 Killgore Trout  Jun 19, 2014 3:17:44pm

re: #148 Targetpractice

Better question: Why are we pulling Maliki’s ass out of the fire?

I’m also wonder what makes us think Iran might be a constructive partner in creating a multicultural Iraq. Iran has used it’s influence in Lebanon and Syria to create ethic tensions and bloodshed. Previous attempts to get cooperation in Iraq and Afghanistan have ended up with them assisting insurgents and supplying explosives. I don’t know why this time might be different.

163 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 19, 2014 3:18:40pm

LOLWUT

164 Jay in Oregon  Jun 19, 2014 3:19:52pm

Here is your WTF for the day:

bitterlawyer.com

A woman is being pursued by police for driving 70 in a 45 MPH zone, and she calls 911 and demands $300,000 to pull over because “there’s no emergency”.

The recording of the 911 call has to be heard to be believed.

Youtube Video

165 wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2014 3:22:10pm

re: #164 Jay in Oregon

Here is your WTF for the day:

bitterlawyer.com

A woman is being pursued by police for driving 70 in a 45 MPH zone, and she calls 911 and demands $300,000 to pull over because “there’s no emergency”.

The recording of the 911 call has to be heard to be believed.

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I thought, ‘sovereign citizen’. Then I saw it in the title.

166 Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2014 3:22:30pm

re: #164 Jay in Oregon

Here is your WTF for the day:

bitterlawyer.com

A woman is being pursued by police for driving 70 in a 45 MPH zone, and she calls 911 and demands $300,000 to pull over because “there’s no emergency”.

The recording of the 911 call has to be heard to be believed.

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From the article you linked:

P.S. Herring stated she was a sovereign citizen and couldn’t be affected by what the police wanted to do. Has any of my fellow barristers out there come across one of these sovereign citizens as an opposing counsel? Probably the most frustrating thing of all time. Total disregard for logic in that population.

167 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 19, 2014 3:22:55pm
US officials are actively pushing for the removal of Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri Maliki and have held meetings with senior politicians who are angling to replace the embattled leader, according to Iraqi officials and a report Thursday.

The U.S. ambassador to Baghdad, Robert S. Beecroft, and a senior State Department official, Brett McGurk, met this week with former Iraqi exile leader Ahmad Chalabi and parliament speaker Usama Nujaifi, as well as other possible candidates to replace Maliki.

The Shiite Muslim prime minister has seen large chunks of Iraq seized in recent days by Sunni militants fighting under the banner of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, an Al Qaeda splinter group.

Chalabi? Srsly?! Reeks of desperation. Just freaking reeks.

Falling out with the U.S. in 2004-2005[edit]
As Chalabi’s position of trust with the Pentagon crumbled, he found a new political position as a champion of Iraq’s Shi’ites (Chalabi himself is a Shi’ite). Beginning 25 January 2004, Chalabi and his close associates promoted the claim that leaders around the world were illegally profiting from the Oil for Food program. These charges were around the same time that UN envoy Lakhdar Brahimi indicated that Chalabi would likely not be welcome in a future Iraqi government. Up until this time, Chalabi had been mentioned formally several times in connection with possible future leadership positions. Chalabi contends that documents in his possession detail the misconduct, but he has yet to provide any documents or other evidence. The U.S. has sharply criticized Chalabi’s Oil for Food investigation as undermining the credibility of its own.
Additionally, Chalabi and other members of the INC have been being investigated for fraud involving the exchange of Iraqi currency, grand theft of both national and private assets, and many other criminal charges in Iraq. On 19 May 2004 the U.S. government discontinued their regular payments to Chalabi for information he provided. Then on 20 May, Iraqi police supported by U.S. soldiers raided his offices and residence, taking documents and computers, presumably to be used as evidence. A major target of the raid was Aras Habib, Chalabi’s long-term director of intelligence, who controls the vast network of agents bankrolled by U.S. funding.

168 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 3:23:47pm

re: #167 Rightwingconspirator

Chalabi? Srsly?! Reeks of desperation. Just freaking reeks.

Are they a bunch of freaking idiots?

169 Killgore Trout  Jun 19, 2014 3:25:01pm

re: #167 Rightwingconspirator

Chalabi? Srsly?! Reeks of desperation. Just freaking reeks.

Yeah, It doesn’t seem like a very good idea.

170 Jay in Oregon  Jun 19, 2014 3:26:36pm

re: #165 wrenchwench

For sure.

Is this the grand future that the glibertarians and sovereign citizens want for us? If so, I’ll pass.

171 wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2014 3:27:58pm

re: #170 Jay in Oregon

For sure.

Is this the grand future that the glibertarians and sovereign citizens want for us? If so, I’ll pass.

They have no desires for us. They only have desires for themselves. Individually, not together.

173 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 19, 2014 3:28:20pm

re: #136 wrenchwench

Hey now, is that gneiss?

It’s not my basalt!

174 klys  Jun 19, 2014 3:29:12pm

re: #171 wrenchwench

They have no desires for us. They only have desires for themselves. Individually, not together.

Just remember, the only civil right that matters is the one where white dudebros get their privacy.

///

175 Killgore Trout  Jun 19, 2014 3:30:11pm

re: #167 Rightwingconspirator

Chalabi? Srsly?! Reeks of desperation. Just freaking reeks.

The other choice on our short list doesn’t like the Kurds much
Usama al-Nujayfi

On September 2006 he sparked a walkout by Kurdish MPs when he said the villages around Mosul were of Arab origin.[5] His bodyguard was also assassinated in that month.[6] He claimed in October 2008 that the 2008 attacks on Christians in Mosul were carried out by Kurdish peshmerga and intelligence operatives.[7]

176 goddamnedfrank  Jun 19, 2014 3:31:00pm

We should put that Curveball guy in charge of Iraq. That would be hilarious.

177 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 19, 2014 3:31:43pm

re: #173 Feline Fearless Leader

It’s not my basalt!

Now I’m feeling sedimental.

178 Killgore Trout  Jun 19, 2014 3:31:52pm

re: #176 goddamnedfrank

We should put that Curveball guy in charge of Iraq. That would be hilarious.

We could clone Saddam and put him back.

179 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 3:31:53pm

re: #176 goddamnedfrank

We should put that Curveball guy in charge of Iraq. That would be hilarious.

Put Bush and Cheney in charge. They broke it, they own it.

180 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 19, 2014 3:33:59pm

re: #177 Rightwingconspirator

Now I’m feeling sedimental.

How about a little Neil Young with that?

Youtube Video

Comes a time, when you’re drifting.
Comes a time, when you settle down.
;)

181 Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2014 3:34:27pm

re: #172 Justanotherhuman

How Very British. : )

Stiff Quivering upper lip, pip pip, cheerio and all that.

182 Gus  Jun 19, 2014 3:34:40pm

re: #179 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Put Bush and Cheney in charge. They broke it, they own it.

And they have to live in Baghdad.

183 Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2014 3:35:02pm

re: #182 Gus

And they have to live in Baghdad.

In Sadr City.

184 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 3:35:06pm

re: #182 Gus

And they have to live in Baghdad.

That’s what I meant, yes. No US help either. :)

185 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2014 3:35:11pm

re: #181 Dr Lizardo

Stiff Quivering upper lip, pip pip, cheerio and all that.

186 Gus  Jun 19, 2014 3:35:37pm

re: #183 Dr Lizardo

In Sadr City.

In a mobile home.

187 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 3:36:13pm

re: #185 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That’s … pretty universal. :)

188 Gus  Jun 19, 2014 3:36:15pm

In a van. Does Sadr City have a river?

189 Charles Johnson  Jun 19, 2014 3:36:57pm

Brian Schweitz-who?

190 Wozza Matter?  Jun 19, 2014 3:37:57pm

*waves*
Hope folks and folkettes are well

191 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 3:38:20pm

re: #189 Charles Johnson

So, back to Jill Stein. /

192 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 3:38:43pm

re: #190 Wozza Matter?

hi

193 Wozza Matter?  Jun 19, 2014 3:40:10pm

re: #192 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Ahoy

194 dog philosopher  Jun 19, 2014 3:40:16pm

re: #168 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Are they a bunch of freaking idiots?

what is it that the bear does in the woods?

195 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 3:40:39pm

re: #194 dog philosopher

what is it that the bear does in the woods?

Watches the Pope?

196 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 19, 2014 3:40:57pm

re: #190 Wozza Matter?

*waves*
Hope folks and folkettes are well

Oh hey, hello!
How are things?

197 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 3:41:03pm

re: #193 Wozza Matter?

Ahoy

Care to join the game?

198 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 19, 2014 3:41:55pm

re: #197 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Is the one on the right employing the Wookie Strategy on the robot?

199 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 19, 2014 3:43:35pm

re: #198 Feline Fearless Leader

Is the one on the right employing the Wookie Strategy on the robot?

Han Solo/Greedo.

200 wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2014 3:43:57pm

re: #173 Feline Fearless Leader

It’s not my basalt!

Figures the geology puns go really slow.

201 Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2014 3:44:45pm

re: #186 Gus

In a mobile home.

No need for a mobile home. Plenty of buildings to choose from.

Image: SadrCity.jpg

202 piratedan  Jun 19, 2014 3:46:00pm

re: #189 Charles Johnson

populist Dem governor of Montana, has some positions that appear to make good sense and then a few “are you sure you’re really a Democrat?” statements to show us that he’s no corporate Democratic lackey. He’s been supposedly testing the water for a 2016 run and the mining industry loathes him because he won’t let them pollute to their heart’s content regardless of how many R state pols they buy.

203 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 19, 2014 3:46:39pm

re: #200 wrenchwench

Figures the geology puns go really slow.

I get your drift. Continental.

204 Bubblehead II  Jun 19, 2014 3:47:04pm

re: #90 KiTA

Bupkiss over here. The Steam (online video game store) Summer sale started today, so I’m trying to avoid spending my rent on video games. :P

Other than that, I might break a few laws and take the car out for a spin late tonight. Although I’m probably too responsible to do that.

Just finished getting cleaned up from fixing that water leak in the crawl space. I’m not going to quit my day job to become a plumber. ;-)

205 Wozza Matter?  Jun 19, 2014 3:47:24pm

re: #196 Rightwingconspirator

Oh hey, hello!
How are things?

Pretty OK. Pretty OK. Still both gainfully employed and in a relationship. So, you know, stuff. Etc. Enjoying life as much as possible.

206 Wozza Matter?  Jun 19, 2014 3:47:44pm

re: #197 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Don’t mind if I do….

207 Justanotherhuman  Jun 19, 2014 3:49:51pm

re: #203 Rightwingconspirator

I get your drift. Continental.

Care to rock the continental?

Youtube Video

208 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 19, 2014 3:50:35pm

re: #205 Wozza Matter?

Pretty OK. Pretty OK. Still both gainfully employed and in a relationship. So, you know, stuff. Etc. Enjoying life as much as possible.

Good for you.
Wise man once said “secret of happiness is want what you have”.

209 Killgore Trout  Jun 19, 2014 3:51:05pm

Dkos is unimpressed as well
Ahmad FRIGGIN Chalabi? Seriously?

210 Wozza Matter?  Jun 19, 2014 3:53:34pm

re: #208 Rightwingconspirator

Wise. Its half the battle.

211 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 3:53:56pm

re: #209 Killgore Trout

Dkos is unimpressed as well
Ahmad FRIGGIN Chalabi? Seriously?

Maybe they think, the dirtier, the more controllable?

212 wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2014 3:54:07pm

re: #208 Rightwingconspirator

Good for you.
Wise man once said “secret of happiness is want what you have”.

Also, too:

213 Gus  Jun 19, 2014 3:54:36pm

Uh, all of that is based on this paragraph from the NY Times.

Over the past two days the American ambassador, Robert S. Beecroft, along with Brett McGurk, the senior State Department official on Iraq and Iran, have met with Usama Nujaifi, the leader of the largest Sunni contingent, United For Reform, and with Ahmad Chalabi, one of the several potential Shiite candidates for prime minister, according to people close to each of those factions, as well as other political figures.

214 Justanotherhuman  Jun 19, 2014 3:55:43pm

re: #213 Gus

Uh, all of that is based on this paragraph from the NY Times.

Over the past two days the American ambassador, Robert S. Beecroft, along with Brett McGurk, the senior State Department official on Iraq and Iran, have met with Usama Nujaifi, the leader of the largest Sunni contingent, United For Reform, and with Ahmad Chalabi, one of the several potential Shiite candidates for prime minister, according to people close to each of those factions, as well as other political figures.

Well, the story did come from the LA Times about Chalabi. It figures.

215 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 3:55:53pm

re: #213 Gus

Also:
latimes.com

Beecroft and McGurk met with Chalabi, a Shiite, at his house in Baghdad’s Mansour neighborhood for more than an hour Wednesday, said a Chalabi aide, Entifadh Qanbar. They discussed “the current security escalations and future formations of the government,” Qanbar said. He declined to elaborate.

216 goddamnedfrank  Jun 19, 2014 3:56:24pm
A second suspect wanted in the death of a US border official has been extradited to the US, in a case linked to a botched gun-running sting.

Lionel Portillo-Meza pleaded not guilty in the death of Brian Terry in an Arizona court on Wednesday.

Weapons found at the scene of his death were linked to a US anti-gun-running scheme called Fast and Furious.

Under the programme, the US allowed criminals to purchase guns in order to trace them to major arms traffickers.

A.) It’s good we got the guy, though Obama’s critics will treat it as another convenient distraction.

B.) It’s disappointing to see the BBC post such a deceptive description of F&F. The people who were “allowed” to purchase the guns had every legal right to do so. They were suspected straw buyers, but had no convictions. The law doesn’t allow the government to deny a gun sale to a suspected criminal who isn’t on trial and/or hasn’t been convicted of any crime. Even if the buyer is on State aid and is purchasing 20 firearms at a pop.

The real reason the GOP objected to F&F was that ATF agents were trying to do something at all to shine light on the problem of straw purchases. The entire notion that sales were allowed that otherwise would not have been legal on their face is a total lie.

The entire point of the F&F investigation was that the private party transfer loophole and its lack of a requirement for background checks and strict record keeping is a huge problem.

217 blueraven  Jun 19, 2014 3:56:29pm

re: #213 Gus

Uh, all of that is based on this paragraph from the NY Times.

Over the past two days the American ambassador, Robert S. Beecroft, along with Brett McGurk, the senior State Department official on Iraq and Iran, have met with Usama Nujaifi, the leader of the largest Sunni contingent, United For Reform, and with Ahmad Chalabi, one of the several potential Shiite candidates for prime minister, according to people close to each of those factions, as well as other political figures.

I was going to make the same point. Pure speculation right now.

218 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2014 3:56:51pm

re: #213 Gus

Uh, all of that is based on this paragraph from the NY Times.

Over the past two days the American ambassador, Robert S. Beecroft, along with Brett McGurk, the senior State Department official on Iraq and Iran, have met with Usama Nujaifi, the leader of the largest Sunni contingent, United For Reform, and with Ahmad Chalabi, one of the several potential Shiite candidates for prime minister, according to people close to each of those factions, as well as other political figures.

but, but CONCERNZ!!!111!!!

219 Killgore Trout  Jun 19, 2014 3:57:40pm

re: #211 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Maybe they think, the dirtier, the more controllable?

I suppose he’s still well connected so maybe he can pull some strings.

220 Wozza Matter?  Jun 19, 2014 3:58:03pm

Later days folks.

221 blueraven  Jun 19, 2014 3:59:57pm

re: #219 Killgore Trout

I suppose he’s still well connected so maybe he can pull some strings.

Don’t get you panties in a wad. There is no confirmation of anything other than some people talked to him. Good grief.

222 wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2014 4:00:15pm

re: #216 goddamnedfrank

A.) It’s good we got the guy, though Obama’s critics will treat it as another convenient distraction.

B.) It’s disappointing to see the BBC post such a deceptive description of F&F. The people who were “allowed” to purchase the guns had every legal right to do so. They were suspected straw buyers, but had no convictions. The law doesn’t allow the government to deny a gun sale to a suspected criminal who isn’t on trial and/or hasn’t been convicted of any crime. Even if the buyer is on State aid and is purchasing 20 firearms at a pop.

The real reason the GOP objected to F&F was that ATF agents were trying to do something at all to shine light on the problem of straw purchases. The entire notion that sales were allowed that otherwise would not have been legal on their face is a total lie.

The entire point of the F&F investigation was that the private party transfer loophole and its lack of a requirement for background checks and strict record keeping is a huge problem.

C.) Maybe this isn’t totally relevant, but they have no idea what gun fired the bullet that killed Brian Terry. They don’t know whether it was an F&F weapon. They don’t know (I haven’t even seen speculation) whether it was a case of friendly fire.

223 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2014 4:00:46pm

re: #221 blueraven

Don’t get you panties in a wad. There is no confirmation of anything other than some people talked to him. Good grief.

it’s a feature, not a bug

224 wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2014 4:01:07pm

re: #220 Wozza Matter?

Later days folks.

Good to see you!

225 Gus  Jun 19, 2014 4:01:19pm

re: #215 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Also:
latimes.com

Yes, so the news and Daily Caller, et al, will focus on the worst possible selection. The USG will not be choosing Iraq’s next PM.

226 Lidane  Jun 19, 2014 4:02:18pm
227 Gus  Jun 19, 2014 4:02:32pm

OMG! Chalabi has connections with Iran. Unlike Maliki?

228 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2014 4:02:44pm

re: #213 Gus

Uh, all of that is based on this paragraph from the NY Times.

Over the past two days the American ambassador, Robert S. Beecroft, along with Brett McGurk, the senior State Department official on Iraq and Iran, have met with Usama Nujaifi, the leader of the largest Sunni contingent, United For Reform, and with Ahmad Chalabi, one of the several potential Shiite candidates for prime minister, according to people close to each of those factions, as well as other political figures.</em>

Those “people” again. They are soooo knowledgeable…

///

229 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 4:03:32pm

re: #225 Gus

I find it bad enough that this crook is even being talked to seriously.

230 Gus  Jun 19, 2014 4:03:51pm

re: #228 Backwoods_Sleuth

Those “people” again. They are soooo knowledgeable…

///

And in the LA Times story: He declined to elaborate. H’okay!

231 Gus  Jun 19, 2014 4:05:01pm
232 Charles Johnson  Jun 19, 2014 4:10:59pm

MOOSE

233 wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2014 4:11:46pm

MEESE

234 EPR-radar  Jun 19, 2014 4:12:09pm

re: #229 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

I find it bad enough that this crook is even being talked to seriously.

It’s not that much worse than US administration officials talking to Republicans.

235 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 4:12:20pm

GEEZ LOUISE

236 Killgore Trout  Jun 19, 2014 4:12:43pm

re: #230 Gus

Eli Lake confirms and elaborates a bit
U.S. Turns to Old Frenemies for New Iraq War

U.S. troops in Iraq is just the start. The Obama administration is also reaching out to a host of one-time allies as it ramps up its campaign against ISIS.

237 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 4:13:00pm

re: #234 EPR-radar

It’s not that much worse than US administration officials talking to Republicans.

That’s also bad, but at least sometimes necessary.

238 wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2014 4:13:38pm

re: #235 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

GEEZ LOUISE

THELMA

239 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2014 4:13:44pm

re: #231 Gus

BLUE TOES!

240 Gus  Jun 19, 2014 4:14:52pm

re: #239 Backwoods_Sleuth

BLUE TOES!

HOOVES

241 dog philosopher  Jun 19, 2014 4:15:40pm

re: #212 wrenchwench

Detachment is not that you should own nothing but that nothing should own you

but

“things are in the saddle and ride Mankind”

- ralph waldo emerson

242 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 4:15:49pm

re: #239 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #240 Gus

That’s hoof polish.

243 Killgore Trout  Jun 19, 2014 4:16:23pm
Sterling Jensen, who served as the U.S. army translator with the Iraqi tribal fighters during the surge in 2007 and 2008, said U.S. military advisers who remained in Iraq after 2011—when all U.S. troops left—curtailed contact with many of the tribal leaders so as not to anger Maliki’s government.
…
Some of the Iraqis who could be persuaded to take that lead are the former tribal allies who fought al Qaeda before. U.S. and Iraqi officials say McGurk and other U.S. military officers and diplomats have begun to reach out again in recent months to them.

One of those leaders who have been in renewed contact with the Americans is Ahmed abu-Risha, whose brother was killed in 2007 and was considered the first leader of what became known as the Anbar Awakening.

McGurk has also met with Ali Hatim Suleiman, the head of Iraq’s largest tribe known as the Duleimi. Suleiman said this week that most of the fighters who now control Mosul, the city that fell earlier this month, are not affiliated with ISIS. But he also warned that there would be no chance to put down the insurgency if Maliki remained in power.

244 Justanotherhuman  Jun 19, 2014 4:16:50pm

“Sovereign citizen” sounds barking mad.

First appearance:

stateportpilot.com

Sentencing:

Jennifer Herring, PG DWI level 4, fail to exhibit/surrender license, charges consolidated, not a USA resident, BCDC 120 days active.

stateportpilot.com

245 wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2014 4:17:21pm

PERROS VERDES

Youtube Video

246 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 4:17:51pm

DOOD

247 Killgore Trout  Jun 19, 2014 4:18:39pm
Brooke would not say if Chalabi was eyeing the top job himself. But he did point out that the former exile leader—who is now a member of parliament and a senior member of the Shi’ite party affiliated with Iraq’s powerful Hakim family—supported the creation of a national reconciliation committee and the release of Sunni prisoners detained without charge. What’s more, Brooke added, Chalabi “is now open to reconsideration of the national de-Baathification law.”

That’s the law that purged members of Saddam Hussein’s Baathist party from Iraq’s government—the law that Chalabi helped write. Not surprising, the de-Baathification law is one piece of legislation that has infuriated Iraq’s Sunni minority, who say it has been used to isolate their leaders from important national positions.

248 Gus  Jun 19, 2014 4:20:41pm

249 Killgore Trout  Jun 19, 2014 4:22:03pm

Thank god for Eli Lake. That’s been just about the only decent article on Obama’s Iraq strategy I’ve seen all day.

250 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 4:22:19pm

re: #248 Gus

Fabulous. ;)

251 Lidane  Jun 19, 2014 4:23:21pm

re: #239 Backwoods_Sleuth

BLUE TOES!

‘Sup?

252 wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2014 4:24:31pm

That’s the tweet of the recipient.

253 Lidane  Jun 19, 2014 4:25:20pm

Sully haz a sad:

254 goddamnedfrank  Jun 19, 2014 4:25:28pm

My tragic brain damaged (literally) friend from high-school posted this to facebook:

DARPA Brain Chips to Implant False Memories

The real DARPA program is designed to explore ways of restoring memories in soldiers with traumatic brain injuries. These professional conspiracy theorists are really starting to piss me off.

255 Gus  Jun 19, 2014 4:26:05pm

[S]enior State Department official on Iraq and Iran, have met with…

• Usama Nujaifi, the leader of the largest Sunni contingent, United For Reform…

• Ahmad Chalabi, one of the several potential Shiite candidates for prime minister…

• according to people close to each of those factions…

• as well as other political figures…

256 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 4:28:11pm

re: #254 goddamnedfrank

The conspiracists are optimistic about the level of the tech. Maybe in … years it will even be possible. Now? Sheesh.

258 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 4:31:56pm

re: #257 Killgore Trout


WATCH: Iraqi TV Airs Creepy Anti-ISIS Commercial

So that’s where Dracula was hiding.

259 Charles Johnson  Jun 19, 2014 4:32:27pm

re: #255 Gus

They have to talk with Chalabi. He’s a corrupt piece of shit, but he’s still politically connected.

There aren’t a lot of options here. I wish all these hyperventilating would-be Iraq experts would take a chill pill. Second guessing is boring if you can’t suggest a better alternative.

260 Killgore Trout  Jun 19, 2014 4:32:37pm

re: #258 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

So that’s where Dracula was hiding.

Snakes!

261 jonhendry  Jun 19, 2014 4:33:53pm

re: #148 Targetpractice

Better question: Why are we pulling Maliki’s ass out of the fire?

The idea is that he’s stoked sectarian conflict by crapping on the Sunnis and favoring the Shia.

262 teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2014 4:34:54pm

re: #260 Killgore Trout

Snakes!

SNAKES

263 Gus  Jun 19, 2014 4:35:18pm

There was also this: Iraq using barrel bombs, hitting Fallujah hospital: HRW

264 Justanotherhuman  Jun 19, 2014 4:35:42pm

re: #262 teleskiguy

SNAKES

[Embedded content]

Creepy!

265 geoffm33  Jun 19, 2014 4:35:47pm

Man, I’ve been away for a while, mobile version of the site!! Love it, great work Charles.

266 blueraven  Jun 19, 2014 4:35:55pm

re: #259 Charles Johnson

They have to talk with Chalabi. He’s a corrupt piece of shit, but he’s still politically connected.

There aren’t a lot of options here. I wish all these hyperventilating would-be Iraq experts would take a chill pill. Second guessing is boring if you can’t suggest a better alternative.

Yes, and all the reporting from 2002-2003 was so reliable. We should believe everything we read and the conclusions the reporters spout without question.

// times infinity

267 bratwurst  Jun 19, 2014 4:37:06pm

re: #259 Charles Johnson

Second guessing is boring if you can’t suggest a better alternative.

Seems like there are people posting here every morning who don’t agree!

268 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 19, 2014 4:38:37pm

re: #259 Charles Johnson

They have to talk with Chalabi. He’s a corrupt piece of shit, but he’s still politically connected.

Doing the same over and over again and expecting a different result…

Chalabi was not honest with his allies before. There is nothing to suggest he will become reliable now.

269 Gus  Jun 19, 2014 4:40:19pm
270 Charles Johnson  Jun 19, 2014 4:45:20pm

re: #265 geoffm33

Man, I’ve been away for a while, mobile version of the site!! Love it, great work Charles.

Thanks! It’s actually a fully responsive redesign, not a separate version — the same code loads on both desktop and mobile browsers, it just loads an additional CSS file that overrides the desktop styles if it’s in a mobile browser.

271 Killgore Trout  Jun 19, 2014 4:45:25pm

re: #268 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Doing the same over and over again and expecting a different result…

Chalabi was not honest with his allies before. There is nothing to suggest he will become reliable now.

No but I find it encouraging that the White House is looking at some of the more unpleasant realities. If we’re going to deal with Iraq we have to be practical about it and not everything and everyone is going to be nice. I’m still not happy about it but to me it’s a sign that someone is thinking seriously.

272 Charles Johnson  Jun 19, 2014 4:46:15pm

re: #268 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Doing the same over and over again and expecting a different result…

Chalabi was not honest with his allies before. There is nothing to suggest he will become reliable now.

Yeah, I’m pretty sure everyone is well aware of Chalabi’s history. But you can’t negotiate with the people you want, you have to work with the ones you have.

273 blueraven  Jun 19, 2014 4:46:36pm

re: #268 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Doing the same over and over again and expecting a different result…

Chalabi was not honest with his allies before. There is nothing to suggest he will become reliable now.

They may be talking with him about the narrow point of repealing the de-Baathification law. At least we know this time, that he is a creep. That doesn’t mean he cant be of some value.
We just don’t know and speculation about having him replace Maliki is weird.

274 Justanotherhuman  Jun 19, 2014 5:00:04pm

re: #263 Gus

There was also this: Iraq using barrel bombs, hitting Fallujah hospital: HRW

This is pretty much the opinion of Erin Evers of HRW and not reported or confirmed anywhere else.

hrw.org

First reported by Al Jazeera on May 11, 2014 with no named sources.

aljazeera.com

This story appeared on May 27 in HRW (also quoted by HuffPo, South China Morning Post and on Yahoo the same date); on June 7 FN ran a story on it.

hrw.org

Note HRW’s “methodology” which includes “residents and witnesses from Fallujah, including medical personnel at Fallujah General Hospital, a government security official based in Anbar, and a commander of one of the anti-government armed groups fighting in the province. ” No one from HRW had been in the province or Iraq when this was written.

Its “legal analysis” which includes calling ISIS a “de facto authority” and this, “The armed opposition forces, which include ISIS and groups fighting under the umbrella of the Anbar Military Council, are conducting ongoing operations and appear to meet the organization test.”

275 palomino  Jun 19, 2014 5:15:48pm

re: #271 Killgore Trout

No but I find it encouraging that the White House is looking at some of the more unpleasant realities. If we’re going to deal with Iraq we have to be practical about it and not everything and everyone is going to be nice. I’m still not happy about it but to me it’s a sign that someone is thinking seriously.

You’re not happy about what?

276 jonhendry  Jun 19, 2014 5:17:58pm

re: #272 Charles Johnson

Yeah, I’m pretty sure everyone is well aware of Chalabi’s history. But you can’t negotiate with the people you want, you have to work with the ones you have.

It’s just unfortunate that after all this time we don’t have better connections to work with.

277 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 19, 2014 5:22:26pm

re: #276 jonhendry

It’s just unfortunate that after all this time we don’t have better connections to work with.

I’m positive we do. But we won’t reveal them. That’d be putting a death warrant out on them.


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