Arizona Horribly Botches Execution: Inmate Takes 2 Hours to Die

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I didn’t think it was possible, but the latest horribly botched execution in Arizona is even worse than the one in Oklahoma in May.

FLORENCE, Ariz. (AP) — Arizona officials say a murderer who was sentenced to death has died nearly two hours after his execution started.

Wood’s lawyers had filed an emergency appeal in federal court during the execution demanding that it be stopped. The appeal said Wood was “gasping and snorting for more than an hour.”

Attorney General Tom Horne’s office says Joseph Rudolph Wood was pronounced dead at 3:49 p.m., one hour and 57 minutes after the execution started.

Pure and simple barbarism, sanctioned by the government.

UPDATE at 7/23/14 5:59:44 pm by Charles Johnson

Here’s the expected justification from right wing governor Jan Brewer: Arizona Execution of Joseph Wood Took Nearly Two Hours - NBC News.com

Gov. Jan Brewer said she was “concerned” about the execution length and ordered a review but insisted Wood did not suffer “in stark comparison to the gruesome, vicious suffering that he inflicted on his two victims.”

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270 comments
1 makeitstop  Jul 23, 2014 4:24:26pm

Shameful. The government damn well better start re-thinking this.

2 darthstar  Jul 23, 2014 4:25:00pm
3 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 23, 2014 4:25:37pm

I’m waiting for Bryan Fischer, Ann Coulter, Erick Erickson et al to say he deserved it because of the horribly barbaric way he murdered his victims.

Oh, he shot them? All righty then.

4 EPR-radar  Jul 23, 2014 4:28:27pm

Enough with the lethal injection BS, which IMO never was anything more than a fig leaf to disguise the basic nature of capital punishment.

If it must be done, the noose or the firing squad are honest methods of execution.

5 Charles Johnson  Jul 23, 2014 4:28:59pm
7 Skip Intro  Jul 23, 2014 4:30:46pm

re: #4 EPR-radar

Enough with the lethal injection BS, which IMO never was anything more than a fig leaf to disguise the basic nature of capital punishment.

If it must be done, the noose or the firing squad are honest methods of execution.

I guess we’re just a little to squeamish for either of those. Much better to live with the fiction that they’re just being “put to sleep”, just like poor old Fluffy.

8 team_fukit  Jul 23, 2014 4:31:31pm

Back during the Progressive Era, it was botched executions that started the backlash to capital punishment - causing the governors of ten states to push successfully for its abolition.

That’s really the best we can hope for in these new botched cases.

It’s been almost one hundred years later and the states still botch this shit.

9 b_sharp  Jul 23, 2014 4:31:39pm

re: #6 Pie-onist Overlord

Appeals judge says guillotine is best for executions.

Repeated from downstairs:

There was an informal journalistic investigation into the least painful way to execute a person. When it was suggested to a GOP lawmaker that they use that method, he said he wants them to go through pain. I suspect that’s a common emotion among the retributionists.

10 TedStriker  Jul 23, 2014 4:32:35pm

re: #3 Pie-onist Overlord

I’m waiting for Bryan Fischer, Ann Coulter, Erick Erickson et al to say he deserved it because of the horribly barbaric way he murdered his victims.

Oh, he shot them? All righty then.

They’re busy rubbing what little brain cells they have together to come up with their talking points.

11 jamesfirecat  Jul 23, 2014 4:34:46pm

Dr Killjoy: When performing a lethal injection, it is essential that the needles be placed with absolute precision. And unlike standard medical procedures, with a lethal injection you have a patient who probably does not want the procedure to occur. Therefore, it is of vital importance that the restraints be tight and strong. Even with that, trouble may arise, and it may be incumbent for the practitioner to take matters into his own hands, using whatever sharp, bladed objects he may have on his person. Lacerations…
(He abruptly slashes the inmate across the chest with a scalpel.)
Killjoy: …to the body at strategic locations…
(He slashes the inmate again.)
Killjoy: …may put the patient into a state of shock…
(He slashes the inmate one last time; the inmate screams, and passes out.)
Killjoy: making him far more pliable, or at the very least, causing him to bleed to death, thus achieving the desired end. Who are we kidding? We’re not really trying to be humane anyway. Class dismissed.

From “The Suffering”

12 goddamnedfrank  Jul 23, 2014 4:35:09pm

Man does the Supreme Court look fucking stupid right now:

The Supreme Court on Tuesday overturned a federal appeals court’s decision to stay an Arizona execution, one that had been halted due to concerns regarding the secrecy surrounding the lethal injection process.

Joseph R. Wood, who was sentenced to death in 1991 for shooting and killing his ex-girlfriend Debra Dietz and her father, Eugene, had filed a lawsuit requesting more information about his looming execution. Wood had asked for more details about the drugs that will be used in the lethal injection as well as more information regarding the team that will carry it out.

A three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit had agreed on Saturday, staying the execution until Arizona released that information. The full court upheld that panel’s decision on Monday, allowing the stay to remain in effect.

13 Skip Intro  Jul 23, 2014 4:36:12pm

I’m surprisied that some enterprising media mogul (yeah, I’m thinking of you, Rupert) hasn’t approached these states to do a live pay-for-view of these executions. The take would be huge, and the states could get a nice payoff.

During long ones like this, they could even get some paid advertisers on board. I’m sure some of Rush Limbaugh’s clients would be interested.

14 darthstar  Jul 23, 2014 4:36:19pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

Tor is really a plot by the US government to gain access to suspect people’s computers. Snowden and Greenwald are their agents.
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15 Decatur Deb  Jul 23, 2014 4:38:01pm

re: #6 Pie-onist Overlord

Appeals judge says guillotine is best for executions.

Freedom Cleaver

16 GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 23, 2014 4:38:02pm

Firing squad. Recruit tea party nuts. One shooter so they know it’s their shot. Force them to meet with the subject 24 hours beforehand to talk and “get to know them” a la a fetus/invasive ultrasound.

Then they have to cart the body away to the morgue, and attend the funeral service.

My bet is that capital punishment wouldn’t last much longer.

17 darthstar  Jul 23, 2014 4:38:25pm

re: #12 goddamnedfrank

Man does the Supreme Court look fucking stupid right now:

It would be less barbaric to just drown people, and it would only take about four or five minutes.

18 darthstar  Jul 23, 2014 4:39:38pm

re: #16 GlutenFreeJesus

Just televise this latest execution - commercial free - on all the networks in prime-time.

That’ll put some public pressure on the subject.

19 Skip Intro  Jul 23, 2014 4:40:59pm

re: #17 darthstar

It would be less barbaric to just drown people, and it would only take about four or five minutes.

I don’t know. That would be pretty terrifying, at least for me.

Since we love guns more than anything else on earth, firing squads seem a natural. The NRA could oversee the execution, and pick the lucky NRA members to do the shooting by lottery.

20 EPR-radar  Jul 23, 2014 4:41:05pm

re: #12 goddamnedfrank

Man does the Supreme Court look fucking stupid right now:

The 5 conservatives on that court just don’t care. After all, Scalia has famously opined that actual innocence can be irrelevant in capital cases.

21 b_sharp  Jul 23, 2014 4:41:36pm

re: #17 darthstar

It would be less barbaric to just drown people, and it would only take about four or five minutes.

That’s a telling suggestion.

BTW, in the documentary I watched, the least barbaric method was Nitrogen.

IMHO, not killing them is even more humanitarian.

22 wrenchwench  Jul 23, 2014 4:41:36pm
23 wrenchwench  Jul 23, 2014 4:42:43pm
24 EPR-radar  Jul 23, 2014 4:43:06pm

re: #7 Skip Intro

I guess we’re just a little to squeamish for either of those. Much better to live with the fiction that they’re just being “put to sleep”, just like poor old Fluffy.

The electric chair is another example of an execution method that was supposed to be better than the old ways, but ended up being an abomination.

Kudos to the medical profession for staying out of this mess in recent years.

25 Decatur Deb  Jul 23, 2014 4:43:23pm

re: #16 GlutenFreeJesus

Firing squad. Recruit tea party nuts. One shooter so they know it’s their shot. Force them to meet with the subject 24 hours beforehand to talk and “get to know them” a la a fetus/invasive ultrasound.

Then they have to cart the body away to the morgue, and attend the funeral service.

My bet is that capital punishment wouldn’t last much longer.

When the current cycle of executions started, a Utah convict had the firing-squad option. Utah turned down the eager volunteers, using LEOs.

en.wikipedia.org

26 Kid A  Jul 23, 2014 4:43:40pm

Sorry, right-wingers. You can’t call yourselves “fiscally responsible” and support the death penalty. It’s a lot cheaper to keep then in prison for life.

27 ComradeDread  Jul 23, 2014 4:44:05pm

Seriously, if this country must give in to its bloodlust, stop pussyfooting around.

Give the condemned enough xanax and booze after his last meal so he’s pretty damn happy, then march him out to the yard and have someone put two into the back of his head. That would be far more humane.

Or is that too visceral for our squeamish sensibilities?

28 lawhawk  Jul 23, 2014 4:45:07pm

Capital punishment under the current circumstances is unsupportable, even in the case of the worst offenders. The Courts have been shameful in their handling of appeals to determine the actual medications used, quantities, etc., and the , qualifications of those who are administering the drugs.

Add to that the cost of death penalty cases vastly exceeding the costs for life imprisonment without parole, and even fiscal conservatives should be questioning the death penalty because of the costs to the state, and the questionable morality and ethics of executing them with an experimental drug mix that clearly doesn’t work as claimed.

29 Decatur Deb  Jul 23, 2014 4:45:26pm

re: #27 ComradeDread

Seriously, if this country must give in to its bloodlust, stop pussyfooting around.

Give the condemned enough xanax and booze after his last meal so he’s pretty damn happy, then march him out to the yard and have someone put two into the back of his head. That would be far more humane.

Or is that too visceral for our squeamish sensibilities?

Sounds too ChiCom, Comrade.

30 Romantic Heretic  Jul 23, 2014 4:45:59pm

If they want to do someone quickly and painlessly a bullet in the back of the head is ideal. It’s messy, but it works.

And as I’ve said before I think the position of executioner should be filled by conscription of a different person for each execution. Anyone that can vote might get a letter telling them that on this day they must be at this prison no later than 9:00 PM to kill this person at midnight.

I suspect a lot of people in favour of the death penalty will suddenly become quite squeamish if they might be the one who got blood and brains all over themselves.

31 GeneJockey  Jul 23, 2014 4:46:07pm

re: #26 Kid A

Sorry, right-wingers. You can’t call yourselves “fiscally responsible” and support the death penalty. It’s a lot cheaper to keep then in prison for life.

Yes, but you know what the counter would be - No more than 1 year for appeals! Kill ‘em quick! If they’re on Death Row, they probably deserve it, even if they didn’t commit the particular crime they were convicted of!

32 wrenchwench  Jul 23, 2014 4:46:17pm

re: #29 Decatur Deb

Sounds too ChiCom, Comrade.

Would need to extract some organs for that.

33 GeneJockey  Jul 23, 2014 4:47:28pm

re: #32 wrenchwench

Would need to extract some organs for that.

Time to get the Organ Banks rolling!

34 Targetpractice  Jul 23, 2014 4:48:07pm

re: #28 lawhawk

Capital punishment under the current circumstances is unsupportable, even in the case of the worst offenders. The Courts have been shameful in their handling of appeals to determine the actual medications used, quantities, etc., and the , qualifications of those who are administering the drugs.

Add to that the cost of death penalty cases vastly exceeding the costs for life imprisonment without parole, and even fiscal conservatives should be questioning the death penalty because of the costs to the state, and the questionable morality and ethics of executing them with an experimental drug mix that clearly doesn’t work as claimed.

The answer to the question usually ends up being “Then just execute them quickly!” In their binary thinking, if a person is on death row, then they “deserve” to be there. Under such thinking, there’s no need for appeals because if the fellow was innocent, he wouldn’t be on Death Row. So dispense with the appeals and execute him with all possible haste.

35 sizzzzlerz  Jul 23, 2014 4:48:13pm
If it must be done, the noose or the firing squad are honest methods of execution.

Game of Thrones, dude. Go all Ned Stark on them with big ass sword.

Brutal? You bet.

Effective? None better.

Inhumane? What, you kidding me? Compared to letting the guy strangle for 2 hours, its like putting the condemned in a room with kittens and puppies.

If you’re gonna kill in the name of the state, do it quick and do it right.

36 HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2014 4:48:22pm

It’s long past time to abolish the DP.

37 wrenchwench  Jul 23, 2014 4:48:27pm

re: #30 Romantic Heretic

If they want to do someone quickly and painlessly a bullet in the back of the head is ideal. It’s messy, but it works.

And as I’ve said before I think the position of executioner should be filled by conscription of a different person for each execution. Anyone that can vote might get a letter telling them that on this day they must be at this prison no later than 9:00 PM to kill this person at midnight.

I suspect a lot of people in favour of the death penalty will suddenly become quite squeamish if they might be the one who got blood and brains all over themselves.

I have a friend who will not register to vote because she might get Jury duty. If your suggestion were implemented, I would not register.

38 HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2014 4:49:23pm

re: #26 Kid A

Sorry, right-wingers. You can’t call yourselves “fiscally responsible” and support the death penalty. It’s a lot cheaper to keep then in prison for life.

Fuck calling themselves “fiscally responsible.” I have a bigger issue with them calling themselves “pro life” and you know many of them won’t have a problem with this because to them revenge is a form of justice.

40 HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2014 4:50:09pm

re: #39 lawhawk

On cue, Sen. Cruz announces he will hold all nominees for the State Department until he gets answers on the FAA stop order.

Why not tell us the real reason Ted, you want to build up street cred with the lunatics that make up your party’s base for the primaries.

41 Targetpractice  Jul 23, 2014 4:50:42pm

re: #39 lawhawk

On cue, Sen. Cruz announces he will hold all nominees for the State Department until he gets answers on the FAA stop order.

Has the man actually done anything constructive in office? I’m having difficulty recalling any bill he has written that has met with success.

42 Decatur Deb  Jul 23, 2014 4:50:48pm

re: #37 wrenchwench

I have a friend who will not register to vote because she might get Jury duty. If your suggestion were implemented, I would not register.

As it stands here, she would be bumped off any serious jury. (And we pull our jurors from driver’s license application.)

43 wrenchwench  Jul 23, 2014 4:50:51pm
44 lawhawk  Jul 23, 2014 4:50:57pm

re: #34 Targetpractice

Except that there’s a huge pile of evidence that there are people wrongfully convicted on death row, and it’s a list that grows by the day.

45 b_sharp  Jul 23, 2014 4:50:59pm

re: #36 HappyWarrior

It’s long past time to abolish the DP.

Up here we regularly get pushes to bring back the DP.
We’ve already started adopting minimum sentencing because the right wing wants to be like the US right.

Moving away from rehabilitation to retribution seems to be Canuck conservative intent.

46 dog philosopher  Jul 23, 2014 4:51:18pm

“The IDF has provided a perfect blueprint for how we should deal with illegals on our border”

i look forward to the rockets being fired across the border from mexico

47 HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2014 4:51:24pm

re: #41 Targetpractice

Has the man actually done anything constructive in office? I’m having difficulty recalling any bill he has written that has met with success.

I’m trying to think of anything that wasn’t a giant pander to his TP asshole friends.

48 GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 23, 2014 4:52:02pm
States have refused to reveal details such as which pharmacies are supplying lethal injection drugs and who is administering them, because of concerns over harassment.

Can’t some rights group. Hell. Anyone file a FOIA request?

49 Decatur Deb  Jul 23, 2014 4:52:03pm

re: #44 lawhawk

Except that there’s a huge pile of evidence that there are people wrongfully convicted on death row, and it’s a list that grows by the day.

That alone is reason enough to outlaw it.

50 HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2014 4:53:03pm

re: #45 b_sharp

Up here we regularly get pushes to bring back the DP.
We’ve already started adopting minimum sentencing because the right wing wants to be like the US right.

Moving away from rehabilitation to retribution seems to be Canuck conservative intent.

Doesn’t surprise me. Really too often with the right not just in America but globally, justice becomes about retribution rather than rehabilitation. Call me a hippie all you want but I do believe that people can redeem themselves. Even murderers. Read a story in the WaPo the other day about a man who spent 40 years in prison for murder who got out and is getting his life together.

51 dog philosopher  Jul 23, 2014 4:53:16pm

re: #30 Romantic Heretic

squeamish

there are just too many people in this country who have no squeams

52 Targetpractice  Jul 23, 2014 4:53:18pm

re: #44 lawhawk

Except that there’s a huge pile of evidence that there are people wrongfully convicted on death row, and it’s a list that grows by the day.

Of course, and I’ve pointed that out time and again to wingnuts I argue with. I point out that (IIRC) 4% or more of those on death row are innocent of what they were convicted of. The response? “Better they die than a monster get back out on the streets.”

53 GeneJockey  Jul 23, 2014 4:53:33pm

re: #44 lawhawk

Except that there’s a huge pile of evidence that there are people wrongfully convicted on death row, and it’s a list that grows by the day.

Sorry, but you’re attempting to use reason and logic, along with actual data. That’s not allowed in DP discussions. It goes against the whole ‘Some people just need killin” vibe.

54 HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2014 4:53:34pm

re: #49 Decatur Deb

That alone is reason enough to outlaw it.

Truth. That’s the biggest beef I have with the DP.

55 b_sharp  Jul 23, 2014 4:53:55pm

re: #49 Decatur Deb

That alone is reason enough to outlaw it.

Unless the US population wants to move to guilty until proven innocent.

56 HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2014 4:54:30pm

re: #55 b_sharp

Unless the US population wants to move to guilty until proven innocent.

Too much of the US population already approaches justice like that.

57 GeneJockey  Jul 23, 2014 4:54:32pm

re: #51 dog philosopher

there are just too many people in this country who have no squeams

In space, no one can hear you squeam.
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58 wrenchwench  Jul 23, 2014 4:54:32pm

re: #42 Decatur Deb

As it stands here, she would be bumped off any serious jury. (And we pull our jurors from driver’s license application.)

How can she be bumped off if she’s never on?

59 Targetpractice  Jul 23, 2014 4:54:45pm

re: #46 dog philosopher

“The IDF has provided a perfect blueprint for how we should deal with illegals on our border”

i look forward to the rockets being fired across the border from mexico

Does this mean that the Army will blow up Mexican border towns any time an illegal gets across the border?

60 Skip Intro  Jul 23, 2014 4:55:13pm

re: #27 ComradeDread

Seriously, if this country must give in to its bloodlust, stop pussyfooting around.

Give the condemned enough xanax and booze after his last meal so he’s pretty damn happy, then march him out to the yard and have someone put two into the back of his head. That would be far more humane.

Or is that too visceral for our squeamish sensibilities?

We like to pretend that we’re a caring, decent people who are following in the steps of the creator of America, Jesus.

Reality says that nothing could be farther from the truth.

Another example.

Rifle-toting birthers at JFK murder site rebuke ‘foreigners’ and ‘sexually-charged’ women

Supporters of open carry gun laws rallied over the weekend by bringing assault-style rifles and other types of firearms to Dealey Plaza, the site of President John F. Kennedy’s assassination.

In a video posted to YouTube, activists explain that they return to Dealey Plaza in Dallas each month to exercise their right to openly carry firearms.

Documents displayed by the demonstrators include information about New York Pastor James David Manning, who has criticized President Barack Obama for releasing “the homo demons,” and who also believes that Jesus would “stone” LGBT people to death.

Yup, that’s what RW’s mythological Jesus would do, all right. The historical Jesus, naw, not a chance.

61 wrenchwench  Jul 23, 2014 4:55:21pm

re: #58 wrenchwench

How can she be bumped off if she’s never on?

She doesn’t have a driver’s license either.

62 Lidane  Jul 23, 2014 4:55:22pm

re: #6 Pie-onist Overlord

Appeals judge says guillotine is best for executions.

They’re right. The guillotine is quick and it’s honest. It doesn’t give people the illusion that the state is just putting someone to sleep. It makes it abundantly clear that the death penalty means killing someone.

63 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 23, 2014 4:55:22pm

re: #30 Romantic Heretic

If they want to do someone quickly and painlessly a bullet in the back of the head is ideal. It’s messy, but it works.

And as I’ve said before I think the position of executioner should be filled by conscription of a different person for each execution. Anyone that can vote might get a letter telling them that on this day they must be at this prison no later than 9:00 PM to kill this person at midnight.

I suspect a lot of people in favour of the death penalty will suddenly become quite squeamish if they might be the one who got blood and brains all over themselves.

They should select from the jurors who convicted.

64 GeneJockey  Jul 23, 2014 4:55:43pm

re: #52 Targetpractice

Of course, and I’ve pointed that out time and again to wingnuts I argue with. I point out that (IIRC) 4% or more of those on death row are innocent of what they were convicted of. The response? “Better they die than a monster get back out on the streets.”

Blackstone’s Formulation turned upside down.

65 b_sharp  Jul 23, 2014 4:56:14pm

re: #50 HappyWarrior

Doesn’t surprise me. Really too often with the right not just in America but globally, justice becomes about retribution rather than rehabilitation. Call me a hippie all you want but I do believe that people can redeem themselves. Even murderers. Read a story in the WaPo the other day about a man who spent 40 years in prison for murder who got out and is getting his life together.

Recidivism has been going down because of the rehabilitation programs. It’s likely to go back up with the push to retribution.

We have people bitching about how easy inmates have it in jail.

66 wrenchwench  Jul 23, 2014 4:57:00pm
67 GeneJockey  Jul 23, 2014 4:57:36pm
Rifle-toting birthers at JFK murder site rebuke ‘foreigners’ and ‘sexually-charged’ women

What’s wrong with ‘sexually-charged’ women? I LIKE ‘sexually-charged’ women.

A LOT.

68 HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2014 4:57:49pm

re: #65 b_sharp

Recidivism has been going down because of the rehabilitation programs. It’s likely to go back up with the push to retribution.

We have people bitching about how easy inmates have it in jail.

And there you have the catch. People want to brutalize criminals but yet when you try rehabilitation which will decrease repeat offenders, you get people complaining about how easy inmates have it.

69 Romantic Heretic  Jul 23, 2014 4:58:14pm

re: #44 lawhawk

Except that there’s a huge pile of evidence that there are people wrongfully convicted on death row, and it’s a list that grows by the day.

I think it’s more likely that capital cases will wrongfully convict because there is so much emotion involved in them.

It’s always a case that gets big headlines, that the media works hard to inflame the public, where the prosecutors and LEOs fan the flames. Where most people are howling for blood by the time the jury passes judgement and the judge passes sentence.

Deciding someone has to die is something that must be done with a level head and a cold heart.

70 Decatur Deb  Jul 23, 2014 4:58:31pm

re: #58 wrenchwench

How can she be bumped off if she’s never on?

Her driver’s license would get her called to the panel, and our DA, who ran his campaign entirely on his highest-in-a-high-state execution record, would dismiss her after she answered his DP question in voir dire.

71 HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2014 4:58:32pm

re: #67 GeneJockey

What’s wrong with ‘sexually-charged’ women? I LIKE ‘sexually-charged’ women.

A LOT.

Better a “sexually-charged” woman than a lunatic who is so insecure that he has to bring a gun with him to get groceries I say.

72 GeneJockey  Jul 23, 2014 4:58:40pm

re: #62 Lidane

They’re right. The guillotine is quick and it’s honest. It doesn’t give people the illusion that the state is just putting someone to sleep. It makes it abundantly clear that the death penalty means killing someone.

We could call it the Freedom Gallows.
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73 Romantic Heretic  Jul 23, 2014 4:59:27pm

re: #55 b_sharp

Unless the US population wants to move to guilty until proven innocent.

Which a lot do.

Saves them the problem of thinking.

74 Targetpractice  Jul 23, 2014 4:59:40pm

re: #64 GeneJockey

Blackstone’s Formulation turned upside down.

Ayep. In their fear-addled minds, the system that they believe only executes guilty people is too incompetent to keep guilty people behind bars for the rest of their lives. So if 1 innocent man should be executed, then it’s justified because 100 “monsters” will also be assured never to get out of jail.

75 Decatur Deb  Jul 23, 2014 5:00:23pm

re: #61 wrenchwench

She doesn’t have a driver’s license either.

Then she’s not a NASCAR fan. Reason enough for a preemptory.

76 b_sharp  Jul 23, 2014 5:00:37pm

re: #62 Lidane

They’re right. The guillotine is quick and it’s honest. It doesn’t give people the illusion that the state is just putting someone to sleep. It makes it abundantly clear that the death penalty means killing someone.

Why not just drop a giant chunk of rock on someone’s head squishing it flat. It could become the History Channel’s newest hit reality show.

77 ComradeDread  Jul 23, 2014 5:01:02pm

re: #29 Decatur Deb

Well, if we wanted to make it more capitalist, we could sell tickets and televise it as a pay-per-view.

Maybe sell sponsorships.

“Welcome to the Tostitos Arizona Executapolooza! Brought to you by Tostitos: a snack worth killing for, as long as its done under the cover of the law.”

78 b_sharp  Jul 23, 2014 5:01:30pm

re: #67 GeneJockey

What’s wrong with ‘sexually-charged’ women? I LIKE ‘sexually-charged’ women.

A LOT.

Damned right.

79 wrenchwench  Jul 23, 2014 5:01:47pm

re: #75 Decatur Deb

Then she’s not a NASCAR fan. Reason enough for a preemptory.

I was going to ask how you knew she was black, but we didn’t even need to get that far.

80 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 23, 2014 5:01:53pm

re: #77 ComradeDread

Well, if we wanted to make it more capitalist, we could sell tickets and televise it as a pay-per-view.

Maybe sell sponsorships.

“Welcome to the Tostitos Arizona Executapolooza! Brought to you by Tostitos: a snack worth killing for, as long as its done under the cover of the law.”

Get a bunch of death row convicts and make it a Hunger Games competition.

81 GeneJockey  Jul 23, 2014 5:02:02pm

re: #77 ComradeDread

Well, if we wanted to make it more capitalist, we could sell tickets and televise it as a pay-per-view.

Maybe sell sponsorships.

“Welcome to the Tostitos Arizona Executapolooza! Brought to you by Tostitos: a snack worth killing for, as long as its done under the cover of the law.”

“And now, coming out of retirement for this one night, BEEF SUPREME!!!”

82 Romantic Heretic  Jul 23, 2014 5:02:12pm

re: #67 GeneJockey

What’s wrong with ‘sexually-charged’ women? I LIKE ‘sexually-charged’ women.

A LOT.

They’re just unhappy ‘sexually charged women’ or any woman for that matter, will have anything to do with them.

83 Kragar  Jul 23, 2014 5:02:16pm

If the State is going to mandate a death penalty for some crimes, then the State has the obligation to make sure they are conducted properly and efficiently, not become a barbaric, torturous death.

84 wrenchwench  Jul 23, 2014 5:02:30pm
85 b_sharp  Jul 23, 2014 5:02:46pm

re: #68 HappyWarrior

And there you have the catch. People want to brutalize criminals but yet when you try rehabilitation which will decrease repeat offenders, you get people complaining about how easy inmates have it.

If the purpose is to protect society then their methods are the opposite of what should be done unless all sentences are for life.

86 dog philosopher  Jul 23, 2014 5:03:11pm

re: #74 Targetpractice

Ayep. In their fear-addled minds, the system that they believe only executes innocent people is too incompetent to keep guilty people behind bars for the rest of their lives. So if 1 innocent man should be executed, then it’s justified because 100 “monsters” will also be assured never to get out of jail.

until the minute they themselves end up unjustly accused and behind bars

87 GeneJockey  Jul 23, 2014 5:03:20pm

re: #82 Romantic Heretic

They’re just unhappy ‘sexually charged women’ or any woman for that matter, will have anything to do with them.

Yup. See Chuck C. Johnson tweets at the top of the previous thread.

88 HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2014 5:03:21pm

re: #84 wrenchwench

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No cruel and unusual punishment right there.

89 Decatur Deb  Jul 23, 2014 5:03:55pm

re: #79 wrenchwench

I was going to ask how you knew she was black, but we didn’t even need to get that far.

Did I mention the DA is the living Grand Master of all-white jury selection?

eji.org

90 goddamnedfrank  Jul 23, 2014 5:04:17pm

re: #43 wrenchwench

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Um, that second tweet is half wrong. The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals didn’t agree with Bybee, they overruled him, and then they were in turn overruled by the Supremes.

91 EPR-radar  Jul 23, 2014 5:04:24pm

re: #74 Targetpractice

Ayep. In their fear-addled minds, the system that they believe only executes innocent people is too incompetent to keep guilty people behind bars for the rest of their lives. So if 1 innocent man should be executed, then it’s justified because 100 “monsters” will also be assured never to get out of jail.

Looks like a typo here where you meant ‘only executes the guilty’.

In any case, RWNJ doublethink is rarely so apparent as when it is held that government is completely incompetent in all matters, except that it somehow has 100% accuracy for executions.

The real answer of course is that most people executed via the death penalty in the US are poor and/or colored, which by itself is enough for many RWNJs to justify execution.

92 Kid A  Jul 23, 2014 5:04:45pm

If one person has ever been innocently put to death, that is one too many. End it. 1,000 years ago.

93 b_sharp  Jul 23, 2014 5:04:58pm

re: #74 Targetpractice

Ayep. In their fear-addled minds, the system that they believe only executes innocent people is too incompetent to keep guilty people behind bars for the rest of their lives. So if 1 innocent man should be executed, then it’s justified because 100 “monsters” will also be assured never to get out of jail.

I think you misspoke.
Did you mean to say?

…only executes innocent people…

94 wrenchwench  Jul 23, 2014 5:05:46pm

re: #90 goddamnedfrank

Um, that second tweet is half wrong. The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals didn’t agree with Bybee, they overruled him, and then they were in turn overruled by the Supremes.

Thank you.

95 wrenchwench  Jul 23, 2014 5:07:58pm

re: #89 Decatur Deb

Did I mention the DA is the living Grand Master of all-white jury selection?

eji.org

What a guy.

96 Targetpractice  Jul 23, 2014 5:09:04pm

re: #91 EPR-radar

Looks like a typo here where you meant ‘only executes the guilty’.

In any case, RWNJ doublethink is rarely so apparent as when it is held that government is completely incompetent in all matters, except that it somehow has 100% accuracy for executions.

The real answer of course is that most people executed via the death penalty in the US are poor and/or colored, which by itself is enough for many RWNJs to justify execution.

Yeah, it was a typo and I fixed it. Mind’s running faster than my fingers again.

And yeah, that is the real answer, the people most likely to end up on death row are the people who are most likely to end up with a court-appointed defender, the ones that society has decided are a “lost cause” anyway and so executing them subtracts nothing from the community. Nine times outta ten, the only justification they need to approve capital punishment is to read a list of the alleged crimes. The more gruesome the murder, the more convinced they are that the guy sitting in the defendant’s chair is guilty.

97 Stanley Sea  Jul 23, 2014 5:09:53pm

re: #66 wrenchwench

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They were looting for all to see.

98 dog philosopher  Jul 23, 2014 5:10:38pm

re: #90 goddamnedfrank

Um, that second tweet is half wrong. The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals didn’t agree with Bybee, they overruled him, and then they were in turn overruled by the Supremes.

from now on i only accept constitutional rulings from the shirelles

99 Stanley Sea  Jul 23, 2014 5:11:10pm

O/T but I just read that some 2nd Amendment lugnuts protested at the grassy knoll of Daley Plaza today.

Subtle.

100 wrenchwench  Jul 23, 2014 5:12:12pm

Ted’s gonna starve ‘em out.

/

101 GeneJockey  Jul 23, 2014 5:12:15pm

re: #83 Kragar

If the State is going to mandate a death penalty for some crimes, then the State has the obligation to make sure they are conducted properly and efficiently, not become a barbaric, torturous death.

We have to take the revenge factor out of it. If the State is going to execute someone it should be only because their continued existence UNQUESTIONABLY poses an intolerable threat to others, and the State has the responsibility to do it as humanely as possible.

Since the ‘unquestionably’ part is impossible to legislate or adjudicate, we should not have the Death Penalty.

102 Decatur Deb  Jul 23, 2014 5:12:32pm

re: #99 Stanley Sea

O/T but I just read that some 2nd Amendment lugnuts protested at the grassy knoll of Daley Plaza today.

Subtle.

Motherfuckers.

103 Skip Intro  Jul 23, 2014 5:12:43pm

re: #76 b_sharp

Why not just drop a giant chunk of rock on someone’s head squishing it flat. It could become the History Channel’s newest hit reality show.

It would be a natural to follow their new Pawnography show.

104 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 23, 2014 5:12:50pm

re: #100 wrenchwench

The flights were banned because rockets were being fired near the airport.

How is this hard to fucking figure out, jesus.

105 dog philosopher  Jul 23, 2014 5:13:06pm

re: #99 Stanley Sea

O/T but I just read that some 2nd Amendment lugnuts protested at the grassy knoll of Daley Plaza today.

Subtle.

if only lee harvey oswald hadn’t been denied his constitutional right to bear arms jfk would be alive today

106 HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2014 5:13:40pm

re: #104 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

The flights were banned because rockets were being fired near the airport.

How is this hard to fucking figure out, jesus.

No shit and we all know that if an American airliner were hit, Ted would be the first one demanding answers and an impeachment.

107 lawhawk  Jul 23, 2014 5:13:45pm

re: #100 wrenchwench

108 Kragar  Jul 23, 2014 5:13:45pm

re: #99 Stanley Sea

O/T but I just read that some 2nd Amendment lugnuts protested at the grassy knoll of Daley Plaza today.

Subtle.

“Open carry” activists have a lovely time celebrating guns at the site a Democratic President was murdered by one

Rifle-toting birthers at JFK murder site rebuke ‘foreigners’ and ‘sexually-charged’ women

Documents displayed by the demonstrators include information about New York Pastor James David Manning, who has criticized President Barack Obama for releasing “the homo demons,” and who also believes that Jesus would “stone” LGBT people to death.

In addition to supporting the constitutional right to keep and bear arms, the literature distributed by the activists asserts that President Obama is not a U.S. citizen.

“We ain’t going to give up our guns,” an activist named Rudy insists. “I’m just sick and tired of these foreigners coming in this country, and they don’t have any idea what American freedom is all about.”

“And I don’t know why that Gov. Rick Perry don’t go down there and stop it with the Texas military forces,” he added. “I think that he is not doing all that he should do in order to stop illegal immigration into this country. And I am sick and tired of foreigners who don’t understand what American freedom is all about. They basically don’t even celebrate July the Fourth.”

109 EPR-radar  Jul 23, 2014 5:14:38pm

re: #101 GeneJockey

We have to take the revenge factor out of it. If the State is going to execute someone it should be only because their continued existence UNQUESTIONABLY poses an intolerable threat to others, and the State has the responsibility to do it as humanely as possible.

Since the ‘unquestionably’ part is impossible to legislate or adjudicate, we should not have the Death Penalty.

For a long time I was a DP supporter because I believe there are crimes that deserve the DP.

I still think that is true, but I’ve also come to believe the state is incapable of trying such cases with the level of accuracy that should be in place when someone is on trial for their life.

So my position on the DP changed to opposition some time ago.

110 Decatur Deb  Jul 23, 2014 5:14:49pm

Dogwalk. BBL

111 Targetpractice  Jul 23, 2014 5:14:52pm

re: #104 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

The flights were banned because rockets were being fired near the airport.

How is this hard to fucking figure out, jesus.

Forget it, he’s rolling…

112 HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2014 5:15:24pm

re: #107 lawhawk

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Exactly. Really Ted if you think this shows you “support” Israel, you’re not doing shit. You’re showing yourself to be an even more pathetic demagogue than your previous stunts have shown. This guy would be the first demanding answers and immediate resignations if a plane got hit.

113 HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2014 5:15:41pm

re: #111 Targetpractice

Forget it, he’s trolling…

FTFY

114 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 23, 2014 5:17:00pm

Stay journalistic & objective, Reuters.

115 Kragar  Jul 23, 2014 5:17:24pm
116 Stanley Sea  Jul 23, 2014 5:17:28pm

re: #104 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

The flights were banned because rockets were being fired near the airport.

How is this hard to fucking figure out, jesus.

Days after losing a jetliner to a rocket.

Seriously.

117 Egregious Philbin  Jul 23, 2014 5:18:24pm

A good friend had the horrible job of having to be with the families of the executed prisoners and to be in the viewing galley at Florence prison in AZ. The job got to her, she is an HR person for christ sake. She quit about a year ago, and I am really happy she didn’t have to witness this shit.

You can be for the death penalty, I have no problem with that, but, we are not savages, and every execution has to be taken with utmost seriousness and decorum. For all the goobers at the usual idiotic sites that are cheering on the suffering…what can I say? They are morons.

118 HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2014 5:18:25pm

I’m sure the usual tools McCain and Graham will join Cruz on this latest fauxrage.

120 Kragar  Jul 23, 2014 5:19:24pm
121 Teukka  Jul 23, 2014 5:19:34pm

re: #9 b_sharp

Repeated from downstairs:

There was an informal journalistic investigation into the least painful way to execute a person. When it was suggested to a GOP lawmaker that they use that method, he said he wants them to go through pain. I suspect that’s a common emotion among the retributionists.

Not to mention a cheap way in terms of procuring the media used for execution as well as the facilities.

122 Stanley Sea  Jul 23, 2014 5:20:09pm

re: #114 Pie-onist Overlord

Stay journalistic & objective, Reuters.

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Ya, that’s pretty bad.

123 Kragar  Jul 23, 2014 5:20:10pm

re: #119 Stanley Sea

They were guilty of the sexually charged women too?

oh lordy

And JFK will never meet Jesus because of them.

A preacher at the event said so.

124 Charles Johnson  Jul 23, 2014 5:20:31pm

Weird. I seem to have picked up a couple of dedicated Greenwald cult stalkers who constantly tweet things at me all day, even though I have them blocked and muted in TweetDeck.

There’s a whole subculture of psychos spewing abuse at me on Twitter now, that I almost never see.

125 EPR-radar  Jul 23, 2014 5:20:34pm

re: #118 HappyWarrior

I’m sure the usual tools McCain and Graham will join Cruz on this latest fauxrage.

It’s not like Senate Republicans have anything better to do with their time.

126 BeachDem  Jul 23, 2014 5:21:26pm

re: #108 Kragar

Well, I must say “Rudy” is rather persuasive. I mean, if these foreigners don’t even celebrate July the 4th…

Obviously, Rudy had to choose between being an “activist” and a Rhodes Scholar—I think he made the right choice.

//

127 HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2014 5:21:34pm

re: #120 Kragar

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It’s obvious because he loves Hamas that he’d divert American planes away from a war zone. Oh wait. Cruz can fuck off and rot, he’s using this decision, a decision that pretty much any president would have made as a rationale to hold up nominees who could help resolve this situation. Cruz’s an even bigger scumbag than I thought with this latest stunt.

128 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 23, 2014 5:21:41pm

re: #15 Decatur Deb

Freedom Cleaver

I almost feel guilty for up-dinging this, but it’s too damn clever to ignore.

RBS

129 Stanley Sea  Jul 23, 2014 5:21:54pm

re: #123 Kragar

And JFK will never meet Jesus because of them.

A preacher at the event said so.

NUTBAGS WITH GUNS

130 Stanley Sea  Jul 23, 2014 5:22:06pm

I yelled it in my head.

131 teleskiguy  Jul 23, 2014 5:22:40pm

In lighter news, professional airhead Sarah Palin is hopelessly moronic.

133 HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2014 5:23:40pm

re: #131 teleskiguy

In lighter news, professional airhead Sarah Palin is hopelessly moronic.

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It was the song’s fault. Sarah can do no wrong.

134 wrenchwench  Jul 23, 2014 5:24:42pm

re: #124 Charles Johnson

Weird. I seem to have picked up a couple of dedicated Greenwald cult stalkers who constantly tweet things at me all day, even though I have them blocked and muted in TweetDeck.

There’s a whole subculture of psychos spewing abuse at me on Twitter now, that I almost never see.

Keeps ‘em off the streets (I hope).

135 Romantic Heretic  Jul 23, 2014 5:24:49pm

re: #108 Kragar

“Open carry” activists have a lovely time celebrating guns at the site a Democratic President was murdered by one

Rifle-toting birthers at JFK murder site rebuke ‘foreigners’ and ‘sexually-charged’ women

“We ain’t going to give up our guns,” an activist named Rudy insists. “I’m just sick and tired of these foreigners coming in this country, and they don’t have any idea what American freedom is all about.”

Somehow I don’t believe you know anything about ‘American freedom’ either, numbnuts.

136 Charles Johnson  Jul 23, 2014 5:25:04pm

Greenwald is really outdoing himself in the Asshole Department lately.

137 teleskiguy  Jul 23, 2014 5:25:07pm

If the United States is going to have the death penalty then guns need to be involved. Period.

138 Charles Johnson  Jul 23, 2014 5:25:20pm
139 lawhawk  Jul 23, 2014 5:26:58pm

re: #104 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

The flights were banned because rockets were being fired near the airport.

How is this hard to fucking figure out, jesus.

The rockets landed near TLV. They were fired from Gaza. But your point stands.

Near is relative in Israel.

The distance between Gaza and TLV is 44 miles. Or about the distance between Trenton and Newark NJ.

140 Charles Johnson  Jul 23, 2014 5:27:02pm
141 wrenchwench  Jul 23, 2014 5:27:49pm
142 makeitstop  Jul 23, 2014 5:28:35pm

re: #131 teleskiguy

In lighter news, professional airhead Sarah Palin is hopelessly moronic.

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Gah.

Hagar, to me, is in the same category as Nuge, hopefully with less odious political views.

I was saying to someone the other day that I have an extremely low tolerance for classic rock. Outside of a song or two, Hagar’s never really done anything for me.

143 HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2014 5:28:41pm

re: #140 Charles Johnson

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Oh cry me a river Marco. You want intolerance? Try being told that you can’t marry the person you love because someone else’s religious beliefs find it “immoral” but no, let’s feel bad for you Marco because you can’t handle being called the bigot you are for opposing equality for gay people.

144 teleskiguy  Jul 23, 2014 5:28:44pm

I’M RUBBER YOU’RE GLUE

145 HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2014 5:29:20pm

re: #144 teleskiguy

I’M RUBBER YOU’RE GLUE

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Oh really?

146 ObserverArt  Jul 23, 2014 5:29:29pm

re: #30 Romantic Heretic

If they want to do someone quickly and painlessly a bullet in the back of the head is ideal. It’s messy, but it works.

And as I’ve said before I think the position of executioner should be filled by conscription of a different person for each execution. Anyone that can vote might get a letter telling them that on this day they must be at this prison no later than 9:00 PM to kill this person at midnight.

I suspect a lot of people in favour of the death penalty will suddenly become quite squeamish if they might be the one who got blood and brains all over themselves.

Don’t like. I take myself as an example. I vote, but I don’t support the death penalty. Why should I be in the process and have a chance to do the deed when I don’t want any part? That too is cruel…to the one forced to do the killing. Sorry.

147 b_sharp  Jul 23, 2014 5:30:23pm

re: #144 teleskiguy

I’M RUBBER YOU’RE GLUE

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Where did he get his logic from, a box of Cracker Jacks?

148 Targetpractice  Jul 23, 2014 5:30:32pm

re: #144 teleskiguy

I’M RUBBER YOU’RE GLUE

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By that view, if you spend all your time bitching about how incompetent the government is and how dumb juries are, you can’t expect people to take your opinions about the necessity of capital punishment seriously.

149 Kragar  Jul 23, 2014 5:31:24pm
150 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 23, 2014 5:32:48pm

Is there a way to block specific memes & images on Tweetdeck?

Because if I see another Latuff cartoon…

Srsly I am down to the last desk.

151 dog philosopher  Jul 23, 2014 5:33:19pm

Noted anti-capitalist Michael Moore owns nine houses. Of course.

is michael moore an “anti-capitalist”??

152 GeneJockey  Jul 23, 2014 5:33:35pm

re: #144 teleskiguy

I’M RUBBER YOU’RE GLUE

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Not to go all “Oh, yeah?”, and all, but the reverse almost seems more true to me - that if you favor the Death Penalty, the question of method is merely incremental.

Not only that, but one can oppose the Death Penalty BECAUSE the methods available are inhumane.

153 GeneJockey  Jul 23, 2014 5:35:02pm

re: #151 dog philosopher

Noted anti-capitalist Michael Moore owns nine houses. Of course.

is michael moore an “anti-capitalist”??

Sure, because he says unkind things about rich people. Duh.

154 ObserverArt  Jul 23, 2014 5:35:27pm

Rachel Maddow has been covering executions a lot since the botched Ohio one, and really got after it up after Oklahoma. I suspect she will have a good portion of her show tonight on this very topic.

155 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 23, 2014 5:36:31pm
156 makeitstop  Jul 23, 2014 5:36:55pm

re: #154 ObserverArt

Rachel Maddow has been covering executions a lot since the botched Ohio one, and really got after it up after Oklahoma. I suspect she will have a good portion of her show tonight on this very topic.

I’m sure her staffers will write something nice for her to read on the air.

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157 Kragar  Jul 23, 2014 5:37:31pm

re: #155 Pie-onist Overlord

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SOMEBODY STOLE THEM!!!

158 Stanley Sea  Jul 23, 2014 5:38:16pm

re: #142 makeitstop

Gah.

Hagar, to me, is in the same category as Nuge, hopefully with less odious political views.

I was saying to someone the other day that I have an extremely low tolerance for classic rock. Outside of a song or two, Hagar’s never really done anything for me.

Seriously, I bet it wasn’t the cop who reported her saying that. It was Sister Sarah herself.

gah I hate commenting on that idiot.

159 Charles Johnson  Jul 23, 2014 5:39:18pm
160 makeitstop  Jul 23, 2014 5:41:27pm

re: #158 Stanley Sea

Seriously, I bet it wasn’t the cop who reported her saying that. It was Sister Sarah herself.

gah I hate commenting on that idiot.

You’re right, most likely. She figured that mentioning the Hagar song would buy her cred with the butt-rock crowd and take a little of the sting out of being ticketed for speeding.

And with that - let’s not speak of this, or her, again.

161 Stanley Sea  Jul 23, 2014 5:41:30pm

re: #144 teleskiguy

I’M RUBBER YOU’RE GLUE

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Oh so we will continue to leave it up to you bloodsuckers.

162 Kragar  Jul 23, 2014 5:43:20pm

re: #142 makeitstop

Gah.

Hagar, to me, is in the same category as Nuge, hopefully with less odious political views.

I was saying to someone the other day that I have an extremely low tolerance for classic rock. Outside of a song or two, Hagar’s never really done anything for me.

Who needs Hagar when you can listen to Dio?

Youtube Video

163 makeitstop  Jul 23, 2014 5:44:49pm

re: #162 Kragar

Who needs Hagar when you can listen to Dio?

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Indeed!

Hagar prays every night that he’ll be remembered as fondly as RJD. Not a chance, though.

164 ObserverArt  Jul 23, 2014 5:50:04pm

Small statement from Arizona Governor Jan Brewer…

Gov. Jan Brewer said she was “concerned” about the execution length and ordered a review but insisted Wood did not suffer “in stark comparison to the gruesome, vicious suffering that he inflicted on his two victims.”

From here: NBC News - Arizona Execution of Joseph Wood Took Nearly Two Hours

And pardon me if this has already been posted…I did a quick scroll through.

165 teleskiguy  Jul 23, 2014 5:50:33pm

re: #160 makeitstop

butt-rock crowd

Rock Out With Your Cock Out!

Thank you Grunge for ridding the music world of Butt-Rock.

166 Targetpractice  Jul 23, 2014 5:51:30pm

re: #164 ObserverArt

Small statement from Arizona Governor Jan Brewer…

From here: NBC News - Arizona Execution of Joseph Wood Took Nearly Two Hours

And pardon me if this has already been posted…I did a quick scroll through.

The standard “Yeah, but what about the victims?!” line that’s always trotted out to excuse the treatment of death row inmates.

167 makeitstop  Jul 23, 2014 5:51:55pm
Gov. Jan Brewer said she was “concerned” about the execution length and ordered a review but insisted Wood did not suffer “in stark comparison to the gruesome, vicious suffering that he inflicted on his two victims.”

I do believe Alouette called this one right at the top of the thread.

168 HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2014 5:51:59pm

re: #164 ObserverArt

Small statement from Arizona Governor Jan Brewer…

From here: NBC News - Arizona Execution of Joseph Wood Took Nearly Two Hours

And pardon me if this has already been posted…I did a quick scroll through.

Nothing will come of this. No changes and certainly no reflection on the death penalty’s place in a modern democratic society.

169 HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2014 5:52:34pm

re: #166 Targetpractice

The standard “Yeah, but what about the victims?!” line that’s always trotted out to excuse the treatment of death row inmates.

It’s typical unfortunately and she’ll win plenty of points with her base using this too since the DP is all about revenge to them.

170 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 23, 2014 5:53:05pm

re: #62 Lidane

They’re right. The guillotine is quick and it’s honest. It doesn’t give people the illusion that the state is just putting someone to sleep. It makes it abundantly clear that the death penalty means killing someone.

The last public execution in France 1939 (guillotine). I’m putting it inside spoiler tags so that it’s not ‘in your face’. It’s short (12 seconds), black / white and from a distance. Not gory, but horrific in that you are watching a man meet the end of his time here.

Click to Reveal

Youtube Video

RBS

171 dog philosopher  Jul 23, 2014 5:54:07pm

Socialism is where people control the institutions that affect their lives

yet another uselessly vague definition that can be abused by limpballs

172 teleskiguy  Jul 23, 2014 5:55:19pm

re: #167 makeitstop

Gov. Jan Brewer said she was “concerned” about the execution length and ordered a review but insisted Wood did not suffer “in stark comparison to the gruesome, vicious suffering that he inflicted on his two victims.”

I do believe Alouette called this one right at the top of the thread.

Damn. It didn’t even start with some keyboard pundit, it started with the Governor herself with this filthy talking point. Hideous.

173 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 23, 2014 5:55:22pm

re: #63 Pie-onist Overlord

They should select from the jurors who convicted.

Eddard Stark: The man who passes the sentence should swing the sword.

RBS

174 Charles Johnson  Jul 23, 2014 5:56:28pm

re: #164 ObserverArt

Small statement from Arizona Governor Jan Brewer…

From here: NBC News - Arizona Execution of Joseph Wood Took Nearly Two Hours

And pardon me if this has already been posted…I did a quick scroll through.

This is what Wood actually did: INMATE 086279 - WOOD, JOSEPH R.

Wood and his 29-year-old ex-girlfriend, Debbie Dietz, had been involved in a turbulent relationship for 5 years, which had been marred by numerous breakups and several domestic violent incidents. Debbie was working at a local body shop owned by her family. On August 7, 1989, Wood walked into the shop and shot Gene Dietz, age 55, in the chest with a .38 caliber revolver, killing him. Gene Dietz’s 70-year-old brother was present and tried to stop Wood, but Wood pushed him away and proceeded into another section of the body shop. Wood went up to Debbie, placed her in some type of hold, and shot her once in the abdomen and once in the chest, killing her. Wood then fled the building. Two police officers approached Wood and ordered him to drop his weapon. After Wood placed the weapon on the ground, he reached down and picked it up, and pointed it at the officers. The officers fired, striking Wood several times. Wood was transported to a local hospital where he underwent extensive surgery.

Sounds like his victims died almost immediately from this description.

175 ObserverArt  Jul 23, 2014 5:56:29pm

re: #104 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

The flights were banned because rockets were being fired near the airport.

How is this hard to fucking figure out, jesus.

You know what is odd about Teddy? He seems to think the president does everything. Every aspect of Federal government is just waiting for the President to give them marching orders.

And then he bitches about a President that has too much power, is a dictator and does things his own way.

I’m wondering if Teddy wants to be President so he can be what he claims Obama to be, in other words he wants to get him some of that.

176 HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2014 5:58:07pm

You know what. IF the victims of this guy didn’t deserve a brutal death then he doesn’t either. This Middle Ages mindset of “Well, yes, he did a brutal act so he deserved one in turn on him” is just sick to me. You want to punish the guy? I’m all for it. Put him in prison the rest of his life. Don’t give him the chance to be among society again. But what does killing him do? It doesn’t bring back the murdered. And I don’t care what people say. It’s not justice. I hate to sound heartless as I have no idea how I’d respond if I lost a loved one but I really tire of this death penalty as revenge mindset that I see far too often in this country and worse pushed by its elected officials.

177 wrenchwench  Jul 23, 2014 5:58:33pm

re: #174 Charles Johnson

This is what Wood actually did: INMATE 086279 - WOOD, JOSEPH R.

Sounds like his victims died almost immediately from this description.

Reporter here says the family of the victims characterizes the noises Wood was making as ‘snoring’ (on the video).

178 Stanley Sea  Jul 23, 2014 5:59:20pm

re: #174 Charles Johnson

This is what Wood actually did: INMATE 086279 - WOOD, JOSEPH R.

Sounds like his victims died almost immediately from this description.

Typical gun day in America.

179 Targetpractice  Jul 23, 2014 5:59:59pm

re: #174 Charles Johnson

This is what Wood actually did: INMATE 086279 - WOOD, JOSEPH R.

Sounds like his victims died almost immediately from this description.

So a domestic dispute that turned deadly. In other words, another example of the gun culture in America.

180 HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2014 6:00:52pm

re: #179 Targetpractice

So a domestic dispute that turned deadly. In other words, another example of the gun culture in America.

The gun culture I should add that Brewer has no desire to do anything about since she like any good Republican prefers being the NRA’s yes-woman than actually doing shit.

181 Stanley Sea  Jul 23, 2014 6:01:21pm

re: #177 wrenchwench

Reporter here says the family of the victims characterizes the noises Wood was making as ‘snoring’ (on the video).

To me that is sick in of itself.

Revenge all the way, no matter how many years, you want to witness the execution.

The creepiest place in the world is the audience at an execution.

182 wrenchwench  Jul 23, 2014 6:03:19pm

re: #181 Stanley Sea

To me that is sick in of itself.

Revenge all the way, no matter how many years, you want to witness the execution.

The creepiest place in the world is the audience at an execution.

25 years later, and they are mad that people are talking about how Wood died instead of being glad like they are.

183 HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2014 6:03:33pm

re: #181 Stanley Sea

To me that is sick in of itself.

Revenge all the way, no matter how many years, you want to witness the execution.

The creepiest place in the world is the audience at an execution.

Indeed, it always creeped me out to see clips of people cheering at executions.

184 Targetpractice  Jul 23, 2014 6:06:53pm

re: #182 wrenchwench

25 years later, and they are mad that people are talking about how Wood died instead of being glad like they are.

I don’t know how anybody could spend 25 years, a quarter of a century, waiting on the death of another human being.

185 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 23, 2014 6:07:10pm

re: #183 HappyWarrior

Indeed, it always creeped me out to see clips of people cheering at executions.

Back in the day of public hangings, drawing & quartering, stake burning & the like, it was a very profitable outing for pickpockets.

186 HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2014 6:07:43pm

re: #185 Pie-onist Overlord

Back in the day of public hangings, drawing & quartering, stake burning & the like, it was a very profitable outing for pickpockets.

Doesn’t surprise me.

187 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 23, 2014 6:08:45pm

re: #186 HappyWarrior

Doesn’t surprise me.

The worst a pickpocket might expect was a free trip to Australia.

188 wrenchwench  Jul 23, 2014 6:09:00pm

Later, lizards.

189 teleskiguy  Jul 23, 2014 6:11:06pm

As featured at LGF a while back, some Johnny Cash with beautiful time lapse photography of the ghost town of Bowie, CA.

Vimeo

190 ObserverArt  Jul 23, 2014 6:11:16pm

re: #142 makeitstop

Gah.

Hagar, to me, is in the same category as Nuge, hopefully with less odious political views.

I was saying to someone the other day that I have an extremely low tolerance for classic rock. Outside of a song or two, Hagar’s never really done anything for me.

I liked Montrose. I have a feeling Ronnie Montrose kept Sammy’s big ego in check. Once he was on his own…Hagar was an asshole the whole way.

191 b_sharp  Jul 23, 2014 6:15:09pm

“Lucy” the movie.
Stupid or really stupid?

192 Stanley Sea  Jul 23, 2014 6:20:03pm

re: #184 Targetpractice

I don’t know how anybody could spend 25 years, a quarter of a century, waiting on the death of another human being.

Bitter Sauce.

They are not happy people because they let it consume them. But to each their own.

193 ObserverArt  Jul 23, 2014 6:20:09pm

Arizona court just ruled the State must preserve the inmates body and make several different blood draws as requested by Wood’s lawyer. They want his tissue preserved.

Sounds like they want to have proof of cruelty to me

The fight is on.

As just reported by Maddow.

194 teleskiguy  Jul 23, 2014 6:21:21pm

THANK YOU CAPTAIN HINDSIGHT!!!

195 Kragar  Jul 23, 2014 6:22:55pm
196 ObserverArt  Jul 23, 2014 6:25:24pm

Now Maddow has Wood’s lawyer on and he said the State medical examiner is refusing the Federal Court order. They are asking to court to forcfe the issue.

This is not going to go well for Arizona.

Edit…examiner is saying he doesn’t have the time. Sounds sort of lawless to me.

197 thedopefishlives  Jul 23, 2014 6:26:06pm

re: #196 ObserverArt

Now Maddow has Wood’s lawyer on and he said the State medical examiner is refusing the Federal Court order. They are asking to court to forcfe the issue.

This is not going to go well for Arizona.

Excrement, rotating propellers, etc.

198 ObserverArt  Jul 23, 2014 6:30:09pm

re: #197 thedopefishlives

Excrement, rotating propellers, etc.

Hopefully directed right at Brewer.

199 Targetpractice  Jul 23, 2014 6:30:10pm

re: #196 ObserverArt

Now Maddow has Wood’s lawyer on and he said the State medical examiner is refusing the Federal Court order. They are asking to court to forcfe the issue.

This is not going to go well for Arizona.

Edit…examiner is saying he doesn’t have the time. Sounds sort of lawless to me.

So the examiner is trying to argue that there’s no time to preserve the body and obtain blood samples? Sounds to me like the time he’s using making excuses would be better spent carrying out the court’s order.

200 darthstar  Jul 23, 2014 6:32:00pm
201 Decatur Deb  Jul 23, 2014 6:34:17pm

re: #128 RealityBasedSteve

I almost feel guilty for up-dinging this, but it’s too damn clever to ignore.

RBS

I calls that “the sweet zone”.

202 Stanley Sea  Jul 23, 2014 6:35:43pm

re: #200 darthstar

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he don’t matter.

203 lawhawk  Jul 23, 2014 6:37:34pm

re: #164 ObserverArt

204 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 23, 2014 6:37:41pm

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205 darthstar  Jul 23, 2014 6:38:25pm

re: #202 Stanley Sea

he don’t matter.

He’s dead now, so yeah.

206 Charles Johnson  Jul 23, 2014 6:38:55pm

re: #203 lawhawk

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That is so fucking horrible. Where do you even begin?

And Jan Brewer probably considers herself a good Christian.

207 HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2014 6:39:44pm

re: #203 lawhawk

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That’s barbaric to say the least. Nothing will change. Brewer’s already made up her mind.

208 b_sharp  Jul 23, 2014 6:40:06pm

re: #203 lawhawk

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He was bad.
We’re good.
So there!

209 thedopefishlives  Jul 23, 2014 6:43:13pm

re: #206 Charles Johnson

That is so fucking horrible. Where do you even begin?

And Jan Brewer probably considers herself a good Christian.

*flips desk, sets on fire*

News flash for all the fucking idiots out there on the right: Saying “I’m a Christian” doesn’t make you a Christian. The word means “follower of Christ”. You have to actually DO AS HE DID or it doesn’t count.

210 ObserverArt  Jul 23, 2014 6:43:15pm

re: #206 Charles Johnson

That is so fucking horrible. Where do you even begin?

And Jan Brewer probably considers herself a good Christian.

Hang those Ten Commandments in every State building.

How about an oversized Thou Shall not Kill Commandment right in the death chamber.

211 EPR-radar  Jul 23, 2014 6:43:48pm

re: #208 b_sharp

He was bad.
We’re good.
So there!

All of movement conservatism in seven words. Bravo.

212 lawhawk  Jul 23, 2014 6:46:02pm

People who wanted him dead see nothing wrong with how he died. That’s even though it took far longer than what is widely recognized as a botched execution in OK.

Brewer thinks that this is all okay but directs that they investigate matters further? And the coroner is already throwing up roadblocks to a full and proper autopsy and preserving the remains for a full and proper investigation. Yeah, I can already see the headlines and lawsuits from this.

The bill will be paid.

213 Kragar  Jul 23, 2014 6:46:46pm
214 Kragar  Jul 23, 2014 6:50:09pm

Seriously, they blitz with 5 or 6 hashtags, you rebut the first one, and they turn around and say “WHY ARE YOU IGNORING THE OTHER STUFF?”

Because I only have 140 characters in which to point out you’re an idiot?

215 thedopefishlives  Jul 23, 2014 6:51:01pm

re: #214 Kragar

Seriously, they blitz with 5 or 6 hashtags, you rebut the first one, and they turn around and say “WHY ARE YOU IGNORING THE OTHER STUFF?”

Because I only have 140 characters in which to point out you’re an idiot?

It’s the Gish gallop taken to its logical end. In a format with a constrained response size, being able to throw out a shitload of links is an automatic advantage.

216 Targetpractice  Jul 23, 2014 6:51:03pm

re: #212 lawhawk

People who wanted him dead see nothing wrong with how he died. That’s even though it took far longer than what is widely recognized as a botched execution in OK.

Brewer thinks that this is all okay but directs that they investigate matters further? And the coroner is already throwing up roadblocks to a full and proper autopsy and preserving the remains for a full and proper investigation. Yeah, I can already see the headlines and lawsuits from this.

The bill will be paid.

When the news about the court order was posted, I thought about joking that the body would be “lost” and the state would express all sorts of “concern” for the loss of evidence vital to the investigation. I didn’t honestly think that they’d have the balls to just outright flip off the courts instead.

217 Kragar  Jul 23, 2014 6:53:11pm

re: #215 thedopefishlives

It’s the Gish gallop taken to its logical end. In a format with a constrained response size, being able to throw out a shitload of links is an automatic advantage.

On the bright side, anyone who favorites or retweets it gets blocked, so I still win

218 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 23, 2014 6:53:52pm

re: #213 Kragar

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I block everyone who retweets that 1913 meme, because they are fucking idiots.

219 dog philosopher  Jul 23, 2014 6:54:22pm

“I take it as a badge of honor that such unclean vermin are upset by me and my positive energy,” Nugent told Gannett Wisconsin Media
on Tuesday.

“my positive energy”, he says, spitting poisonous venom

220 Decatur Deb  Jul 23, 2014 6:55:12pm

You would think that states that execute people with metronomic regularity would get fuckn’ good at it. If I’m ever on death row, ship me to Rhode Island or someplace.

221 lawhawk  Jul 23, 2014 6:58:14pm

re: #220 Decatur Deb

You would think that states that execute people with metronomic regularity would get fuckn’ good at it. If I’m ever on death row, ship me to Rhode Island or someplace.

They were good (or at least better) but the drugs being used stopped being made available in the US, so the executioners had to use different drugs that hadn’t been fully evaluated for these situations. Those who carry out the executions aren’t doctors. So they are left guessing at doses, durations, etc.

And we’re left with one botched execution after another.

222 b_sharp  Jul 23, 2014 6:59:31pm

“If your heart is pure and your goals are righteous how you accomplish those goals doesn’t matter.”

This is what I hear in my head every time I watch Fox News.

223 Decatur Deb  Jul 23, 2014 7:00:17pm

re: #221 lawhawk

They were good (or at least better) but the drugs being used stopped being made available in the US, so the executioners had to use different drugs that hadn’t been fully evaluated for these situations. Those who carry out the executions aren’t doctors. So they are left guessing at doses, durations, etc.

And we’re left with one botched execution after another.


Tonite at The Improv—execution with saline solution and Kayro Syrup.

224 Targetpractice  Jul 23, 2014 7:01:33pm

re: #221 lawhawk

They were good (or at least better) but the drugs being used stopped being made available in the US, so the executioners had to use different drugs that hadn’t been fully evaluated for these situations. Those who carry out the executions aren’t doctors. So they are left guessing at doses, durations, etc.

And we’re left with one botched execution after another.

Ayep, every lethal injection now is basically an test run on a new drug cocktail, a new injection procedure, or a new injection site. As noted, the people usually doing this shit are not doctors or pharmacists, as those folks belong to organizations that have long since passed policy banning their participation in state executions.

225 darthstar  Jul 23, 2014 7:02:08pm

Holy crap…this is fucking awesome. #Dodge

226 ObserverArt  Jul 23, 2014 7:02:31pm

re: #221 lawhawk

They were good (or at least better) but the drugs being used stopped being made available in the US, so the executioners had to use different drugs that hadn’t been fully evaluated for these situations. Those who carry out the executions aren’t doctors. So they are left guessing at doses, durations, etc.

And we’re left with one botched execution after another.

Were the drugs stopped being available or did the pharmaceutical companies refuse to sell them to the states because they knew what they were used for?

227 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 23, 2014 7:02:35pm
228 Targetpractice  Jul 23, 2014 7:03:19pm

re: #226 ObserverArt

Were the drugs stopped being available or did the pharmaceutical companies refuse to sell them to the states because they knew what they were used for?

The latter.

229 thedopefishlives  Jul 23, 2014 7:03:31pm

re: #227 Pie-onist Overlord

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I’d be getting a move on before it becomes “a missile launch site WAS basically next door”.

230 teleskiguy  Jul 23, 2014 7:04:18pm
231 dog philosopher  Jul 23, 2014 7:04:26pm

re: #225 darthstar

Holy crap…this is fucking awesome. #Dodge

ah strangely enuf in the catal huyuk culture there was a thing where ox heads with the horns were imagined as the uterus

home.comcast.net

232 Stanley Sea  Jul 23, 2014 7:05:58pm

re: #219 dog philosopher

“I take it as a badge of honor that such unclean vermin are upset by me and my positive energy,” Nugent told Gannett Wisconsin Media
on Tuesday.

“my positive energy”, he says, spitting poisonous venom

He’s a white supremacist and should be treated only as such.

233 dog philosopher  Jul 23, 2014 7:06:13pm

re: #225 darthstar

Holy crap…this is fucking awesome. #Dodge

that’s what i get for serbian in the sybil cervix

234 Targetpractice  Jul 23, 2014 7:06:21pm

re: #230 teleskiguy

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One of the favorites of the pack of wingnuts I interact with was the suggestion of a heroin overdose.

235 Stanley Sea  Jul 23, 2014 7:07:24pm

re: #221 lawhawk

They were good (or at least better) but the drugs being used stopped being made available in the US, so the executioners had to use different drugs that hadn’t been fully evaluated for these situations. Those who carry out the executions aren’t doctors. So they are left guessing at doses, durations, etc.

And we’re left with one botched execution after another.

I need $$ cop moonlighting as executioner?

236 Decatur Deb  Jul 23, 2014 7:08:41pm

re: #227 Pie-onist Overlord

Follow

Hamas rockets just launched over our hotel, from a site about two hundred metres away. So a missile launch site is basically next door..

“Boker tov. Ari here. We were just wondering about your hotel’s street address.”

237 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 23, 2014 7:09:22pm

re: #235 Stanley Sea

I need $$ cop moonlighting as executioner?

238 teleskiguy  Jul 23, 2014 7:10:48pm

re: #234 Targetpractice

One of the favorites of the pack of wingnuts I interact with was the suggestion of a heroin overdose.

That was suggested - albeit also involving guns - by reader ComradeDread earlier in the thread.

re: #27 ComradeDread

Seriously, if this country must give in to its bloodlust, stop pussyfooting around.

Give the condemned enough xanax and booze after his last meal so he’s pretty damn happy, then march him out to the yard and have someone put two into the back of his head. That would be far more humane.

Or is that too visceral for our squeamish sensibilities?

239 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 23, 2014 7:12:50pm

Spread Butter is describing herself, I don’t know how Pelosi’s name got in there.

240 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 23, 2014 7:13:55pm

re: #239 Pie-onist Overlord

Spread Butter is describing herself, I don’t know how Pelosi’s name got in there.

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I think I dated her twin sister…. (I ALWAYS pick the one with the crazy eyes)

RBS

241 teleskiguy  Jul 23, 2014 7:14:59pm

Someone give this guy a medal.

/∞

242 ObserverArt  Jul 23, 2014 7:15:57pm

Good evening Lizards…sleep well. More derp around the corner.

243 Stanley Sea  Jul 23, 2014 7:18:22pm

Just checked Jihadi Jew’s twitter feed.

If this could be spread wide and far. Doing my little part by re-tweeting him.

Alouette, I do not want to be presumptuous, and please forgive me if I am. but you with your UniteBlue presence could change a couple of minds.

A couple is a great thing.

I would have fallen into the radical left mindset except for the exposure I’ve had at LGF. Still figuring it out for myself, I read so much at night, all sides to hopefully educate me more.

There’s hope with knowledge. (as always)

244 Kragar  Jul 23, 2014 7:18:57pm
245 Charles Johnson  Jul 23, 2014 7:19:36pm
246 Stanley Sea  Jul 23, 2014 7:21:46pm

re: #241 teleskiguy

Someone give this guy a medal.

/∞

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Asshole. Hope he’s shamed appropriately.

247 teleskiguy  Jul 23, 2014 7:22:14pm

re: #243 Stanley Sea

I would have fallen into the radical left mindset except for the exposure I’ve had at LGF. Still figuring it out for myself, I read so much at night, all sides to hopefully educate me more.

There’s hope with knowledge. (as always)

Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, here I am STUCK IN THE MIDDLE WITH YOU.

248 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 23, 2014 7:24:02pm

re: #243 Stanley Sea

Just checked Jihadi Jew’s twitter feed.

If this could be spread wide and far. Doing my little part by re-tweeting him.

Alouette, I do not want to be presumptuous, and please forgive me if I am. but you with your UniteBlue presence could change a couple of minds.

A couple is a great thing.

I would have fallen into the radical left mindset except for the exposure I’ve had at LGF. Still figuring it out for myself, I read so much at night, all sides to hopefully educate me more.

There’s hope with knowledge. (as always)

I have blocked and muted a bunch of #UniteBlue people that I was previously friendly with. I just can’t deal with the Latuff cartoons and the Mondoweiss retweets.

249 sagehen  Jul 23, 2014 7:24:13pm

re: #39 lawhawk

On cue, Sen. Cruz announces he will hold all nominees for the State Department until he gets answers on the FAA stop order.

oh, FFS.

I support the FAA decision. If geese can bring down a plane, piddly little rockets can do it too. Balloons for that matter.

Bloomberg decided in a show of support and trust in the safety of the airport that he’d fly there… but notice he flew El Al. The one airline in the world with countermeasures to protect against rockets significantly more powerful than what Hamas is using. El Al probably could have survived what happened to M17… but no other civilian airline in the world has those measures.

Let’s take note that Bloomberg didn’t fly to Israel in his own, very ordinary Learjet.

(and Kerry’s flight was a military plane)

250 Stanley Sea  Jul 23, 2014 7:24:56pm

re: #248 Pie-onist Overlord

I understand completely.

251 Skip Intro  Jul 23, 2014 7:26:22pm

Texas Tea Turd and Demagogue Ted Cruz gets a response from the State Department.

“It’s ridiculous and offensive, quite frankly,” Harf responded at today’s State Department briefing. “The FAA takes its responsibility very seriously. I will speak for them in that case. They make these decisions based solely on the security and safety of American citizens. For anyone to suggest otherwise is just ridiculous.”

mediaite.com

252 teleskiguy  Jul 23, 2014 7:27:54pm

re: #251 Skip Intro

Texas Tea Turd and Demagogue Ted Cruz gets a response from the State Department.

“It’s ridiculous and offensive, quite frankly,” Harf responded at today’s State Department briefing. “The FAA takes its responsibility very seriously. I will speak for them in that case. They make these decisions based solely on the security and safety of American citizens. For anyone to suggest otherwise is just ridiculous.”

mediaite.com

Ted Cruz is ambitious, and he knows his audience. I’ll say it over and over until the threat subsides, Ted Cruz as a Presidential candidate is a real menace.

253 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 23, 2014 7:29:53pm

re: #250 Stanley Sea

I understand completely.

Lee Weissman also blocked & muted a bunch of people that he had been friendly with.

Maybe after this blows over we can unblock.

My daughter lives in Jerusalem. Most of these Tweeters are vicarious and DO NOT HAVE loved ones in Israel or Gaza.

254 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 23, 2014 7:32:15pm

re: #251 Skip Intro

Texas Tea Turd and Demagogue Ted Cruz gets a response from the State Department.

“It’s ridiculous and offensive, quite frankly,” Harf responded at today’s State Department briefing. “The FAA takes its responsibility very seriously. I will speak for them in that case. They make these decisions based solely on the security and safety of American citizens. For anyone to suggest otherwise is just ridiculous.”

mediaite.com

Strong words from a State spokesperson. And good for them!

255 thedopefishlives  Jul 23, 2014 7:32:48pm

re: #253 Pie-onist Overlord

Lee Weissman also blocked & muted a bunch of people that he had been friendly with.

Maybe after this blows over we can unblock.

My daughter lives in Jerusalem. Most of these Tweeters are vicarious and DO NOT HAVE loved ones in Israel or Gaza.

{{{Alouette}}}

This has to be ridiculously hard for you, listening to right-wing and left-wing all derping about this nonstop and being completely ignorant of the real situation and the real people involved.

256 gwangung  Jul 23, 2014 7:34:14pm

re: #252 teleskiguy

Ted Cruz is ambitious, and he knows his audience. I’ll say it over and over until the threat subsides, Ted Cruz as a Presidential candidate is a real menace.

Reminds me of Nehemiah Scudder….

257 Stanley Sea  Jul 23, 2014 7:34:14pm

re: #253 Pie-onist Overlord

Lee Weissman also blocked & muted a bunch of people that he had been friendly with.

Maybe after this blows over we can unblock.

My daughter lives in Jerusalem. Most of these Tweeters are vicarious and DO NOT HAVE loved ones in Israel or Gaza.

And are young. And are ideologues. And have not allowed knowledge of history to influence their here and now concerns.

I see your potential. I love Lee. I have hope.

It will blow over, but you know it will arise again.

(I was reading about freaking Lawreeeeeeence of Arabia’s map last night)

258 Killgore Trout  Jul 23, 2014 7:35:54pm

UN school rocket update: Rockets found at UN Gaza school went missing

Once they were found, “in accordance with standard practice, UNRWA handed them over to the local authorities. Since then, they have gone missing,” Ban’s deputy spokesman, Farhan Haq, said in an e-mail Wednesday evening.

I’m pretty sure they’re in Israel now. Nice going.

259 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 23, 2014 7:39:50pm

re: #256 gwangung

Reminds me of Nehemiah Scudder….

Though he would be closer to a combination of Cruz & Huckabee, I can see the idea all too well.

260 Skip Intro  Jul 23, 2014 7:46:18pm

re: #254 Rev_Arthur_Belling

From reading some other sites, apparently Demagogue Cruz can’t do what he’s threatening to do.

261 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 23, 2014 7:47:08pm

re: #248 Pie-onist Overlord

I have blocked and muted a bunch of #UniteBlue people that I was previously friendly with. I just can’t deal with the Latuff cartoons and the Mondoweiss retweets.

There is a high likelihood that I may eventually have the job of convincing Berkleyites to vaccinate.

262 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 23, 2014 7:50:50pm

re: #260 Skip Intro

From reading some other sites, apparently Demagogue Cruz can’t do what he’s threatening to do.

Even better. But he gets his little moment in the spotlight. I swear there’s a Derp Race among the RWNJs in the Congress to see who can be the biggest douchecanoe.

263 dog philosopher  Jul 23, 2014 7:58:29pm

re: #248 Pie-onist Overlord

Latuff cartoons

even one of these would be too much as far as i’m concerned

264 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 23, 2014 7:59:26pm
265 Stanley Sea  Jul 23, 2014 8:03:04pm

re: #263 dog philosopher

even one of these would be too much as far as i’m concerned

I have not seen. I just looked.

Don’t look.

266 teleskiguy  Jul 23, 2014 8:03:38pm

Video

267 Romantic Heretic  Jul 23, 2014 8:14:45pm

re: #146 ObserverArt

Don’t like. I take myself as an example. I vote, but I don’t support the death penalty. Why should I be in the process and have a chance to do the deed when I don’t want any part? That too is cruel…to the one forced to do the killing. Sorry.

It’s part of a duty of a citizen to uphold the law.

I’d add a rider for conscientious objectors. Something along the line of community service for a couple of years. Refusing to do either is jail time, because the person is breaking the law.

I’d fall into the conscientious objector category myself.

But I broach the idea because many people who support capital punishment have also told me, “I’m not a killer.” The possibility of having to execute someone will no longer allow them to hide from themselves. They’ll have to man up to their actions and motives.

268 lostlakehiker  Jul 23, 2014 8:27:52pm

re: #21 b_sharp

That’s a telling suggestion.

BTW, in the documentary I watched, the least barbaric method was Nitrogen.

IMHO, not killing them is even more humanitarian.

Not really. Alive, the worst of the worst remain a mortal threat to guards and to other prisoners, and they cost a ton of money each year to keep, assuming you actually manage to keep them. Add to that the example they set——that there is literally nothing you can do that’s so bad that it might cost you your life.

And to top it off, not having a death penalty encourages shabby little frauds such as the French method, in which the man convicted of having assassinated a number of French lawmakers with a machine gun was officially reported to have committed suicide by breaking free of a half dozen guards, then breaking through a narrow, high window in a Jackie Chan move, and jumping to his death from there.

Right.

He was defenestrated, and everybody in France knew it. It’s not that humane an execution, but worse still is the damage to the credibility of France.

In Wisconsin, Jeffrey Dahmer was set up to be murdered by another inmate, a guy known by some moniker such as “the animal”, or “rabid”, of violent temper and great strength. The two were left alone in a nasty work assignment in a place from which sound would not carry for enough time that nature could take its course, and sure enough, when the door was opened, it was found that two had gone in but only one came out.

That’s not an appropriate method of execution either. And it’s very hard to believe that it was “a accident”. Better to have made it official and have sentenced those two to death by hanging. And there are another few dozen whose crimes are established beyond all sane limits of doubts, are monstrous beyond all fashioning of excuses, and whose record points to their being resourceful and determined killers who will seize any opportunity to strike again.

Execute them.

269 lostlakehiker  Jul 23, 2014 8:34:13pm

re: #249 sagehen

oh, FFS.

I support the FAA decision. If geese can bring down a plane, piddly little rockets can do it too. Balloons for that matter.

Bloomberg decided in a show of support and trust in the safety of the airport that he’d fly there… but notice he flew El Al. The one airline in the world with countermeasures to protect against rockets significantly more powerful than what Hamas is using. El Al probably could have survived what happened to M17… but no other civilian airline in the world has those measures.

Let’s take note that Bloomberg didn’t fly to Israel in his own, very ordinary Learjet.

(and Kerry’s flight was a military plane)

There are no countermeasures that a civilian airplane, even Israeli, can take against ballistic missiles. They move too fast to be dodged and the plane has no radar to see them coming anyhow. And they’re not guided (that’s what “ballistic” means) so flares won’t divert them.

The threat from Gaza is that a rocket may by pure chance get past Iron Dome and then hit an airplane as it comes in for a landing or is taxiing or unloading.

270 JDRhoades  Jul 24, 2014 9:46:06am

re: #16 GlutenFreeJesus

Recruit tea party nuts. One shooter so they know it’s their shot. Force them to meet with the subject 24 hours beforehand to talk and “get to know them” a la a fetus/invasive ultrasound.

Then they have to cart the body away to the morgue, and attend the funeral service.

My bet is that capital punishment wouldn’t last much longer.

Are you kidding? Those vicious Tea Party fucks would be fighting one a other for the chance, especially if the defendant was African American or Latino.


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