Images and Live Video From Another Night of Protest in Ferguson

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After the changes made today, reducing the militarized police presence in the St. Louis suburb of Ferguson, there seems to be a marked improvement in the atmosphere. Here are some of the images from Twitter of the marches and protests taking place tonight, with live streaming video from Fox2Now (when it becomes available; at present it’s stalled).

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1 teleskiguy  Aug 14, 2014 4:30:52pm
2 Kragar  Aug 14, 2014 4:31:07pm
3 piratedan  Aug 14, 2014 4:31:50pm

kinda amazing isn’t it, you treat people like people and lo and behold, they behave better as a general rule. You start strong arming folks and they get defensive and rebellious wondering what in the hell did they do to deserve this kind of treatment.

4 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 14, 2014 4:32:33pm

Bringing this one up from downstairs because it fits.

5 Kragar  Aug 14, 2014 4:33:50pm
6 b.d.  Aug 14, 2014 4:34:05pm

re: #3 piratedan

kinda amazing isn’t it, you treat people like people and lo and behold, they behave better as a general rule. You start strong arming folks and they get defensive and rebellious wondering what in the hell did they do to deserve this kind of treatment.

Respect begets respect, confrontation begets confrontation. Go figure? It’s really not that hard to figure out.

7 Patricia Kayden  Aug 14, 2014 4:35:03pm

This is wonderful. This is how it should always have been. Hopefully, the police will release the name of the Police Officer soon and get that ball rolling.

At the very least, Ferguson has shown Americans how militarized the police have become to the detriment of 1st amendment rights.

8 Justanotherhuman  Aug 14, 2014 4:36:25pm
9 Dr Lizardo  Aug 14, 2014 4:37:22pm

This is good to see, and hopefully, everything will stay cool. Capt. Johnson of the MHP seems to have been a good choice. I’m sure the Ferguson PD aren’t too happy about this but……..tough. They had their chance, and they blew it.

And with that, goodnight Lizards.

10 CuriousLurker  Aug 14, 2014 4:37:49pm

*exhales loudly* Wow, what a relief. Yesterday was so awful.

11 wrenchwench  Aug 14, 2014 4:38:52pm
12 Charles Johnson  Aug 14, 2014 4:41:12pm

By the way, @BenWard of Twitter’s embedded tweet team got back to me about the bug I reported, so hopefully it will be fixed soon and we won’t have the kinds of problems we saw in last night’s thread with lots of embedded tweets.

13 Justanotherhuman  Aug 14, 2014 4:41:22pm

Respect Existence or Expect Resistance.

14 Stanley Sea  Aug 14, 2014 4:42:31pm

Just heard an amazing story on NPR - an interview with a Ferguson Pastor who was photographed calming down an angry young man. Apparently the phot was in Wapo, but I can’t find it.

Please listen if you have a sec.

npr.org

15 Charles Johnson  Aug 14, 2014 4:47:39pm

Although I just checked that other thread and the bug is not fixed yet.

16 klys  Aug 14, 2014 4:48:32pm

re: #15 Charles Johnson

Although I just checked that other thread and the bug is not fixed yet.

Thankfully it looks right now that we will have to embed fewer tweets tonight.

Knock on wood.

17 allegro  Aug 14, 2014 4:48:50pm

What a demonstration of real power. This one man walking with the people of Ferguson has done in an hour what all those guns, gas, and dressed-up soldiers couldn’t do in days. Quite the object lesson there, innit.

18 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 14, 2014 4:49:10pm

re: #14 Stanley Sea

This is really amazing.

19 b_sharp  Aug 14, 2014 4:50:19pm

re: #16 klys

Thankfully it looks right now that we will have to embed fewer tweets tonight.

Knock on wood.

Stop hitting me on the head.

20 klys  Aug 14, 2014 4:50:58pm

re: #19 b_sharp

Stop hitting me on the head.

/offers asprin

21 Justanotherhuman  Aug 14, 2014 4:51:51pm

re: #14 Stanley Sea

Just heard an amazing story on NPR - an interview with a Ferguson Pastor who was photographed calming down an angry young man. Apparently the phot was in Wapo, but I can’t find it.

Please listen if you have a sec.

npr.org

Very powerful.

Yes, everyone should listen.

22 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 14, 2014 4:52:28pm

There are going to be some highly, highly pissed off county and local officers from last night who will feel they should have been allowed to “clean up the animals” and bust heads.

This calm march today, without sniper rifles, M4 assault rifles, LRAD’s, 20 ton armored trucks and camoflaged SWAT officers to itimidate and provoke, is a public repudiation of what they did…and I suspect we will start hearing about it indirectly via social media on how society has “stabbed us in the back” and “surrendered to the thugs” and “I can’t wait for twenty so I can retire…this country is going to hell with the liberal media encouraging the savages”*

*All of which I have already seen in one form or another

23 EPR-radar  Aug 14, 2014 4:52:39pm

re: #17 allegro

What a demonstration of real power. This one man walking with the people of Ferguson has done in an hour what all those guns, gas, and dressed-up soldiers couldn’t do in days. Quite the object lesson there, innit.

Yes, the police captain marching with the protesters is a very good idea.

24 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 14, 2014 4:53:01pm

re: #17 allegro

What a demonstration of real power. This one man walking with the people of Ferguson has done in an hour what all those guns, gas, and dressed-up soldiers couldn’t do in days. Quite the object lesson there, innit.

As I just said…the SWAT guys are going to be highly pissed about this.

25 Stanley Sea  Aug 14, 2014 4:53:02pm

re: #18 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

This is really amazing.

Need to find the photo!

26 piratedan  Aug 14, 2014 4:53:13pm

re: #6 b.d.

Respect begets respect, confrontation begets confrontation. Go figure? It’s really not that hard to figure out.

well when you have cops quoted as describing the citizens as “animals”, methinks it’s time to ask that guy to hang it up as a member of the police force. Not saying it’s an easy job by any stretch, being subjected to man’s abject inhumanity to man, I can understand why its so easy to become jaded but when that point is reached, it’s time to find another gig because your customer service skills have deteriorated to the point where you’re part of the problem. IMHO, it takes a rare set of skills to be able to 1) know the laws, and 2) enforce them fairly and reasonably.

27 klys  Aug 14, 2014 4:54:17pm

re: #22 Aunty Entity Dragon

There are going to be some highly, highly pissed off county and local officers rom last night who will feel they should have been allowed to “clean up the animals” and bust heads.

This calm march today, wihout sniper rifles, LRAD’s, 20 ton armored trucks and camoflaged SWAT officers to itimidate and provoke, is a public repudiation of what they did…and I suspect we will start hearing about it indirectly via social media on how society has “stabbed us in the back” and “surrendered to the thugs” and “I can’t wait for twenty so I can retire…this country is going to hell with the liberal media encouraging the savages”*

*All of which I have already seen in one form or another

…so, pretty much, a lot of what we already see from the Tea Party?

28 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 14, 2014 4:55:01pm

re: #26 piratedan

well when you have cops quoted as describing the citizens as “animals”, methinks it’s time to ask that guy to hang it up as a member of the police force. Not saying it’s an easy job by any stretch, being subjected to man’s abject inhumanity to man, I can understand why its so easy to become jaded but when that point is reached, it’s time to find another gig because your customer service skills have deteriorated to the point where you’re part of the problem. IMHO, it takes a rare set of skills to be able to 1) know the laws, and 2) enforce them fairly and reasonably.

I have seen an awful lot of comments from police oficers that suggest all around hatred for most of humanity.

29 Cassidy  Aug 14, 2014 4:55:03pm

All we need now is a memo alleging the NSA’s involvement and very liberaltarian on a blog will be begging this guy to run for President.

30 Swift2991  Aug 14, 2014 4:55:03pm

Aw, now, that makes me cry. That’s America. With the people on your side, you have nothing to fear.

32 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 14, 2014 4:57:56pm

re: #27 klys

…so, pretty much, a lot of what we already see from the Tea Party?

There is a reason those officers assaulted, detained and mocked those reporters yesterday.

Much of the rank and file police are overwhelmingly reactionary-conservative, and they loathe news reporters and lawyers. Again, when you read unfiltered cop talk, you start to think you are looking at something from East Germany in the way they process relationships with the rest of us.

33 Patricia Kayden  Aug 14, 2014 4:59:29pm

re: #22 Aunty Entity Dragon

There are going to be some highly, highly pissed off county and local officers from last night who will feel they should have been allowed to “clean up the animals” and bust heads.

This calm march today, without sniper rifles, M4 assault rifles, LRAD’s, 20 ton armored trucks and camoflaged SWAT officers to itimidate and provoke, is a public repudiation of what they did…and I suspect we will start hearing about it indirectly via social media on how society has “stabbed us in the back” and “surrendered to the thugs” and “I can’t wait for twenty so I can retire…this country is going to hell with the liberal media encouraging the savages”*

*All of which I have already seen in one form or another

Not sure if anyone cares whether they are upset or not. One of them shot an unarmed young man to death. They’ve refused to give any answers as to the Police Officer’s identity or the autopsy results. They’ve teargassed protesters and arrested journalists.

They’re in a world of trouble. Let’s see how pissed off they’ll be if protesters/journalists sue for their overreach.

34 Charles Johnson  Aug 14, 2014 4:59:47pm

St. Louis Police Chief Says He Does Not Support Militarized Tactics in Ferguson : News

The militarized police response to protests in Ferguson has driven a rare wedge between two forces that often work closely together - the two largest police departments in the area: the St. Louis Metropolitan Police Department and the St. Louis County Police.

St. Louis Police Chief Sam Dotson said in an interview this afternoon that he does not support the county police tactics in Ferguson, and has not sent officers to help them, aside from four officers to direct traffic.

He said he made the decision earlier this week, long before the confrontation between police and protesters on Wednesday night that saw the St. Louis County respond to protests with armored vehicles, tear gas and officers toting cannons and assault rifles.

“One side, the chiefly side of me, wants to always be there to support law enforcement in the city or in the county,” Dotson said. “My personal side was concerned about the things I saw transpiring in Ferguson.”

“My gut told me what I was seeing were not tactics that I would use in the city and I would never put officers in situations that I would not do myself,” he said.

35 allegro  Aug 14, 2014 4:59:56pm

re: #27 klys

…so, pretty much, a lot of what we already see from the Tea Party?

Yeah, fuck ‘em. THIS is my country, the one I can be proud of and want to live in. Those hateful assholes can take their ugliness and bitterness and fuck the hell right off.

36 klys  Aug 14, 2014 5:00:04pm

re: #32 Aunty Entity Dragon

There is a reason those officers assaulted, detained and mocked those reporters yesterday.

Much of the rank and file police are overwhelmingly reactionary-conservative, and they loathe news reporters and lawyers. Again, when you read unfiltered cop talk, you start to think you are looking at something from East Germany in the way they process relationships with the rest of us.

Quite clearly, however, not all of them.

We’ve just had a very public demonstration that there are police out there who do understand how to protect and serve their community.

37 EPR-radar  Aug 14, 2014 5:00:06pm

re: #27 klys

…so, pretty much, a lot of what we already see from the Tea Party?

One proposed explanation I’ve seen for the completely irrational response of the police in preceding days to this incident is the acceptance of the RWNJ “imminent race war” fantasy by relevant law enforcement organizations.

IMO, this is the closest thing I’ve seen to a plausible explanation. Complete and total incompetence would not (IMO) focus so relentlessly on military-style escalation.

38 ausador  Aug 14, 2014 5:00:29pm

Let us hope that the change in atmosphere continues after dark and that the community keeps those few hot heads (on both sides) we know are still out there in check. Let the “internet warriors” who have been calling for massive violence as the only solution for the last couple of days choke on that!

39 nines09  Aug 14, 2014 5:00:36pm

If you listen and treat people with respect and humility, especially as an officer of the law, you will be respected. When you wear a badge, it’s supposed to be heavy because you are life and death. You are the justice system. You are the Law. The yahoos posing as police with the military makeover and the drawn weapons on civilians in Ferguson is unacceptable. Anywhere. This shit drives me crazy. By this logic and show of force, a 60’s era protest would have had 100’s dead. Treat people with respect. Show some humanity. Then you get your results. The only thugs I saw in Ferguson Mo were wearing helmets and had automatic weapons. Reign in the bullshit tactics and heavy handed responses. Just what the fuck did they expect people in that neighborhood to do? Kid lying in the street. Dead. Shot multiple times. Unarmed. Left there for hours. File a formal complaint? Right. Reality is lying in the street dead.

40 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 14, 2014 5:01:07pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

St. Louis Police Chief Says He Does Not Support Militarized Tactics in Ferguson : News

A day late and 2 bucks short.

Methinks somebody will be retiring to spend time with his family soon.

41 wrenchwench  Aug 14, 2014 5:01:11pm

re: #25 Stanley Sea

Need to find the photo!

#18 in this gallery. a gallery of 21 that I can’t link to for some reason.

42 klys  Aug 14, 2014 5:01:39pm

re: #40 Aunty Entity Dragon

A day late and 2 bucks short.

Methinks somebody will be retiring to spend time with his family soon.

Umm, St Louis City Police.

Not from a department that has been involved.

43 ObserverArt  Aug 14, 2014 5:02:31pm

The man wears his uniform well.

Someone mentioned body language of the local Police Chief yesterday. Check out the new man in charge. He is strong and assured.

Show ‘em how it’s done Captain Johnson.

44 prairiefire  Aug 14, 2014 5:03:06pm

Tears.

45 Charles Johnson  Aug 14, 2014 5:03:23pm

re: #32 Aunty Entity Dragon

I think this is a problem sort of built into the job, because many police regularly come into contact with humanity’s worst scumbags. It’s very difficult not to become jaded, defensive and scornful, and a lot of cops don’t have the training or the temperament to overcome the pressure without hardening up.

And there’s also a certain percentage who are drawn to the job because they’re anti-social power freaks. I’ve encountered a few cops like that in my life, but I don’t think most of them are that sort of person.

46 Skip Intro  Aug 14, 2014 5:03:43pm

re: #37 EPR-radar

One proposed explanation I’ve seen for the completely irrational response of the police in preceding days to this incident is the acceptance of the RWNJ “imminent race war” fantasy by relevant law enforcement organizations.

IMO, this is the closest thing I’ve seen to a plausible explanation. Complete and total incompetence would not (IMO) focus so relentlessly on military-style escalation.

These people think they’re back in the days of the slave rebellions in the Caribbean in the 1700s, thanks to RWNJ radio and Fox News.

47 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 14, 2014 5:03:48pm

re: #36 klys

Quite clearly, however, not all of them.

We’ve just had a very public demonstration that there are police out there who do understand how to protect and serve their community.

There are indeed. However, as a fish rots from the head, so does a police department. The chain of command sets the tone and the tone from the Ferguson PD has been despotic. Good officers who end up in such an environment are either corrupted by it or are forced out.

48 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 14, 2014 5:04:17pm

re: #42 klys

Umm, St Louis City Police.

Not from a department that has been involved.

Okay, gotcha.

49 Shiplord Kirel  Aug 14, 2014 5:04:39pm

You people are gonna’ be real sorry if a huge horde of communist/black panther/Obama radicals swarms out with machine guns and car bombs and machetes and massacres all the cops and white people in Ferguson.

50 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 14, 2014 5:05:11pm

re: #46 Skip Intro

These people think they’re back in the days of the slave rebellions in the Caribbean in the 1700s, thanks to RWNJ radio and Fox News.

Slave rebellions that were collaberations between Africans and Irish slaves…

51 CuriousLurker  Aug 14, 2014 5:07:00pm

Yesterday when I was lurking someone—Decatur Deb, IIRC—said something to the effect of the people of Ferguson were being punished for electing a black President, and (paraphrasing) “You didn’t think they were going to go out easy, did you?”

I’ve had those same thoughts myself many times since Obama was elected. Ditto the black friends I’ve discussed it with. I never imagined that it would get as ugly as it has though—not just in Ferguson, but all over.

I think those people knew they were being punished too and it hurt them and made them angry. Black Americans were so happy when Obama was elected, as were many people of all races. Do you guys remember seeing all the people weeping with joy, and even reporters & people like Stephen Colbert choking up? Everyone was so proud.

That lasted what, a week? Maybe until his swearing in? Then we found out later that they whole time the GOP was planning to obstruct him at every turn. He’s gotten nothing but disrespect from certain quarters since 2008. It’s truly shameful. It pisses me off and I’m not black, how do you think black people feel?

All the hundreds of years of brutal slavery, loss of their original cultures & languages, families broken up and sold, women raped, men (and women) whipped & beaten, Jim Crow, lynchings, the Civil Rights fights, and still they never got equality. Then OMG, a black President! Happiness, pride, black children knowing they really could one day be anything, even president…

Yeah, I’m 100% sure there are some people who see this sea change, the changing culture & demographics, as a zero sum game and want to punish black Americans for it. It’s sickening.

*steps down from pulpit*

52 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 14, 2014 5:08:09pm

re: #45 Charles Johnson

I think this is a problem sort of built into the job, because many police regularly come into contact with humanity’s worst scumbags. It’s very difficult not to become jaded, defensive and scornful, and a lot of cops don’t have the training or the temperament to overcome the pressure without hardening up.

And there’s also a certain percentage who are drawn to the job because they’re anti-social power freaks. I’ve encountered a few cops like that in my life, but I don’t think most of them are that sort of person.

Well said.

53 Charles Johnson  Aug 14, 2014 5:08:16pm

“I’m not black, but there’s a whole lot of times I wish I could say I’m not white.”

— Frank Zappa, a long time ago

54 Charles Johnson  Aug 14, 2014 5:10:06pm

However - from the events of the past few nights, I’d say the St. Louis County and Ferguson PD have a pretty fucking serious problem with bad attitudes.

55 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 14, 2014 5:10:37pm

Be back in a couple of days. Taking some time away for other stuff. :)

56 klys  Aug 14, 2014 5:11:41pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

However - from the events of the past few nights, I’d say the St. Louis County and Ferguson PD have a pretty fucking serious problem with bad attitudes.

I agree, but I am also unwilling to extrapolate that to ALL COPS EVERYWHERE.

I’d prefer to treat people as individuals and evaluate each on their own behavior.

57 Shiplord Kirel  Aug 14, 2014 5:12:15pm

The County cops were basically fired. I hope Field Marshal Belmar is looking for a new job pretty soon. He’s notorious enough now to do pretty well on the RWNJ lecture circuit.

58 Minor_L  Aug 14, 2014 5:13:31pm

re: #43 ObserverArt

This is the leadership they’ve needed. He’s my new hero.

59 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 14, 2014 5:13:52pm

re: #56 klys

I agree, but I am also unwilling to extrapolate that to ALL COPS EVERYWHERE.

I’d prefer to treat people as individuals and evaluate each on their own behavior.

If there are systemic problems with police in this country (and there are) it is because of systemic problems from the groups that control cops—mayors, city managers, councils, etc—and the groups that direct and work with cops but have far more power than them—prosecutors, judges—and with the people who write the laws the cops operate under.

60 Skip Intro  Aug 14, 2014 5:14:17pm

re: #51 CuriousLurker

Limbaugh’s first words, before Obama was even inaugurated, were “I hope he fails”, followed by Mitch McConnell’s “we’re going to make him a one term president”.

But it’s all Obama’s fault for not getting along with the Republicans.

61 thedopefishlives  Aug 14, 2014 5:15:02pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

However - from the events of the past few nights, I’d say the St. Louis County and Ferguson PD have a pretty fucking serious problem with bad attitudes.

I think we’d all agree with that. The good news is that the immediate situation seems to be stabilized. The bad news is that it hasn’t changed any of the circumstances that led to the ultimate event and cost an innocent young man his life and put an entire town in terrible danger.

62 CuriousLurker  Aug 14, 2014 5:15:51pm

re: #45 Charles Johnson

I think this is a problem sort of built into the job, because many police regularly come into contact with humanity’s worst scumbags. It’s very difficult not to become jaded, defensive and scornful, and a lot of cops don’t have the training or the temperament to overcome the pressure without hardening up.

And there’s also a certain percentage who are drawn to the job because they’re anti-social power freaks. I’ve encountered a few cops like that in my life, but I don’t think most of them are that sort of person.

As someone who drove a taxi for 17+ years I can confirm the “jaded, defensive and scornful” part, and we didn’t even have to deal with the worst of the worst of humanity. There were days towards the end of my taxi driving time that I hated my passengers. I didn’t want to talk to them or answer questions about the sea level of my city, it’s population, etc. for the thousandth effing time—I just wanted them to, STFD, STFU and pay me when we got to their destination. That’s when I knew it was time to find another career.

63 jaunte  Aug 14, 2014 5:16:43pm

January 31, 2014:
Jon Belmar Named Eighth Chief Of St. Louis County Police

“…Belmar says his experience in the precincts gives him an advantage on the job. In Affton Southwest, he said, he oversaw a large unincorporated area with a mix of commercial and residential areas. In addition, the county provided contract services for four South County municipalities,

“There’s nothing like it as far as understanding how to deliver police services,” he said. “The chief has to have that relationship with the captain so the captain to have everything he needs to support the contracts, but at the same time, that captain has to have everything he needs to support our unincorporated areas because they’re just as important.”

Belmar added that his time in Affton had taught him the most important lesson of policing - it’s all about customer service.”

64 ninja cat  Aug 14, 2014 5:17:09pm

This is such a good move. Nothing is hunky dory but it’s a damn good start. I hope PD’s around the country take note of how to handle a situation like this, and definitely how not to handle one.

65 Gus  Aug 14, 2014 5:18:14pm

How goes it. I see they finally have cops that look like cop in Ferguson. Heard that the state police was taking over on NPR late this afternoon.

66 Charles Johnson  Aug 14, 2014 5:18:31pm

Flashback: What the Hell Happened to Me?

67 BeachDem  Aug 14, 2014 5:18:55pm

re: #46 Skip Intro

These people think they’re back in the days of the slave rebellions in the Caribbean in the 1700s, thanks to RWNJ radio and Fox News.

But, but Black Panthers. Fox told me to be afwaid!

68 Kilroy01  Aug 14, 2014 5:19:04pm

re: #63 jaunte

The customer isn’t the people, it is the Majors and other police forces.

69 b_sharp  Aug 14, 2014 5:19:09pm

re: #63 jaunte

January 31, 2014:
Jon Belmar Named Eighth Chief Of St. Louis County Police

And the customers are the businesses and shops. He immediately saw the demonstrators as threats to his customers and took steps to protect them. Too bad his vision of reality was so myopic.

70 prairiefire  Aug 14, 2014 5:20:25pm

re: #65 Gus

How goes it. I see they finally have cops that look like cop in Ferguson. Heard that the state police was taking over on NPR late this afternoon.

Missouri State Highway Patrol.

71 Justanotherhuman  Aug 14, 2014 5:20:44pm

re: #56 klys

I agree, but I am also unwilling to extrapolate that to ALL COPS EVERYWHERE.

I’d prefer to treat people as individuals and evaluate each on their own behavior.

Reminds me of my grandson and his friend having an encounter w/an officer around midnight in the small town near here he was living in w/his mother when he was about 16 (but looked about 12, only being about 5’3” tall).

They were stopped by a youngish patrolman with whom they had an interesting conversation—he was Asian and from CA and he could tell they were just on their way home. Grandson said he was the coolest cop he’d ever seen—no hassle, just told them to get home safely. : )

72 Stanley Sea  Aug 14, 2014 5:20:53pm

re: #41 wrenchwench

#18 in this gallery. a gallery of 21 that I can’t link to for some reason.

Thank you!

73 Skip Intro  Aug 14, 2014 5:23:26pm

I’m surprised Attila the Dumb up in the Alaskan Northwoods hasn’t found anyone to put 140 characters together for her to express her outrage at this obvious War on Whites in Ferguson.

75 Gus  Aug 14, 2014 5:24:45pm

Welp. Hope this holds up. Proving once again that right wing policing is a road to failure.

76 BeachDem  Aug 14, 2014 5:24:47pm

re: #69 b_sharp

And the customers are the businesses and shops. He immediately saw the demonstrators as threats to his customers and took steps to protect them. Too bad his vision of reality was so myopic.

That one NBC affiliate guy who was on LOD last night, presenting the police view, gave up the game when he talked about them being worried about the “more middle class and nice areas” just outside of Ferguson that they needed to worry about protecting. (paraphrased, but the message was loud and clear.)

77 wrenchwench  Aug 14, 2014 5:25:14pm

re: #72 Stanley Sea

Thank you!

#5 in this gallery at the NYT.

78 TedStriker  Aug 14, 2014 5:25:57pm

re: #40 Aunty Entity Dragon

A day late and 2 bucks short.

Methinks somebody will be retiring to spend time with his family soon.

Uhh, that’s the city police chief saying this, not the county police chief (who’s as up to his elbows in all of this as the Ferguson cops).

The STL city police chief is one of the good guys.

79 TedStriker  Aug 14, 2014 5:27:36pm

re: #51 CuriousLurker

Yesterday when I was lurking someone—Decatur Deb, IIRC—said something to the effect of the people of Ferguson were being punished for electing a black President, and (paraphrasing) “You didn’t think they were going to go out easy, did you?”

I’ve had those same thoughts myself many times since Obama was elected. Ditto the black friends I’ve discussed it with. I never imagined that it would get as ugly as it has though—not just in Ferguson, but all over.

I think those people knew they were being punished too and it hurt them and made them angry. Black Americans were so happy when Obama was elected, as were many people of all races. Do you guys remember seeing all the people weeping with joy, and even reporters & people like Stephen Colbert choking up? Everyone was so proud.

That lasted what, a week? Maybe until his swearing in? Then we found out later that they whole time the GOP was planning to obstruct him at every turn. He’s gotten nothing but disrespect from certain quarters since 2008. It’s truly shameful. It pisses me off and I’m not black, how do you think black people feel?

All the hundreds of years of brutal slavery, loss of their original cultures & languages, families broken up and sold, women raped, men (and women) whipped & beaten, Jim Crow, lynchings, the Civil Rights fights, and still they never got equality. Then OMG, a black President! Happiness, pride, black children knowing they really could one day be anything, even president…

Yeah, I’m 100% sure there are some people who see this sea change, the changing culture & demographics, as a zero sum game and want to punish black Americans for it. It’s sickening.

*steps down from pulpit*

Right on and solid, sister CL!

80 Charles Johnson  Aug 14, 2014 5:28:15pm

re: #75 Gus

Welp. Hope this holds up. Proving once again that right wing policing is a road to failure.

Exactly right. I’m hoping things don’t take a left turn as the night goes on, but it looks pretty promising right now.

81 Gus  Aug 14, 2014 5:28:15pm

re: #74 Charles Johnson

You knew this was coming:

BREAKING: Michael Brown Was a GANGSTER - Seen Flashing “BLOODS” Gang Signs | the Gateway Pundit

More conservative ignorance and racism.

82 BeachDem  Aug 14, 2014 5:28:18pm

re: #74 Charles Johnson

You knew this was coming:

BREAKING: Michael Brown Was a GANGSTER - Seen Flashing “BLOODS” Gang Signs | the Gateway Pundit

What a total and complete asshole Hoft is. Damn—I was just feeling so positive, too. (tells self to definitely NOT click link)

83 Charles Johnson  Aug 14, 2014 5:28:45pm
84 jaunte  Aug 14, 2014 5:29:06pm

re: #74 Charles Johnson

You knew this was coming:

BREAKING: Michael Brown Was a GANGSTER - Seen Flashing “BLOODS” Gang Signs | the Gateway Pundit

He’s making a living off stoking that fear.

85 Gus  Aug 14, 2014 5:31:04pm

re: #74 Charles Johnson

You knew this was coming:

BREAKING: Michael Brown Was a GANGSTER - Seen Flashing “BLOODS” Gang Signs | the Gateway Pundit

He links to white supremacists, Council of Conservative Citizens.

86 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 14, 2014 5:31:47pm
87 BeachDem  Aug 14, 2014 5:31:57pm

All these Vines are killing my old computer (much like the night of the rotating images). Unless somebody can tell me how to turn them off, I’m going to leave for awhile.

88 TedStriker  Aug 14, 2014 5:32:18pm

re: #85 Gus

He links to white supremacists, Council of Conservative Citizens.

Quelle surprise…

89 klys  Aug 14, 2014 5:32:37pm

re: #87 BeachDem

All these Vines are killing my old computer (much like the night of the rotating images). Unless somebody can tell me how to turn them off, I’m going to leave for awhile.

If you click on it, it will stop playing.

I don’t know if that will be sufficient, but worth a shot.

90 Charles Johnson  Aug 14, 2014 5:32:51pm

re: #85 Gus

He links to white supremacists, Council of Conservative Citizens.

Fucking unreal. You’re right, he is.

91 CuriousLurker  Aug 14, 2014 5:32:55pm

re: #86 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

It’s so nice to see people smiling again.

92 thedopefishlives  Aug 14, 2014 5:33:28pm

re: #90 Charles Johnson

Fucking unreal. You’re right, he is.

And so the right-wing racism is laid bare for all (but themselves, apparently) to see.

93 CuriousLurker  Aug 14, 2014 5:33:35pm

re: #89 klys

If you click on it, it will stop playing.

I don’t know if that will be sufficient, but worth a shot.

Ha! I didn’t know that. Works.

94 Stanley Sea  Aug 14, 2014 5:33:36pm

re: #77 wrenchwench

#5 in this gallery at the NYT.

That was one of the most moving interviews I’ve heard in quite awhile. When he broke down talking about how he, degreed and credentialed had to go back to what his own dad advised him about being stopped by the police. sigh.

Then he glossed himself the weeping prophet. heh.

Anyone who missed it.

re: #14 Stanley Sea

Just heard an amazing story on NPR - an interview with a Ferguson Pastor who was photographed calming down an angry young man. Apparently the phot was in Wapo, but I can’t find it.

Please listen if you have a sec.

npr.org

95 Gus  Aug 14, 2014 5:34:54pm

re: #90 Charles Johnson

Fucking unreal. You’re right, he is.

Post before it at CCC is, “Confederate flag march at Ole Miss.”

96 klys  Aug 14, 2014 5:35:54pm

re: #93 CuriousLurker

Ha! I didn’t know that. Works.

It is one of those totally-not-obvious-wtf-were-they-thinking UI decisions.

97 Bubblehead II  Aug 14, 2014 5:35:58pm

re: #74 Charles Johnson

You knew this was coming:

BREAKING: Michael Brown Was a GANGSTER - Seen Flashing “BLOODS” Gang Signs | the Gateway Pundit

Comment section, as usual, disgusting.

98 Stanley Sea  Aug 14, 2014 5:36:40pm

re: #89 klys

If you click on it, it will stop playing.

I don’t know if that will be sufficient, but worth a shot.

Thank you! My laptop is a sputtering as well.

99 b_sharp  Aug 14, 2014 5:37:25pm

re: #98 Stanley Sea

Thank you! My laptop is a sputtering as well.

What have you been feeding it?

100 lawhawk  Aug 14, 2014 5:37:36pm

re: #63 jaunte

Nope. His “customers” weren’t businesses. They were the white communities surrounding Ferguson. His job, as he saw it, was to contain the situation to Ferguson, at all costs. And that meant coming down hard, merited or not.

There’s a whole lot of racism involved here, from the white flight that changed the local demographics in short order, to the education system that has been filleted and gutted (which is a disaster in its own right).

101 Stanley Sea  Aug 14, 2014 5:37:44pm

re: #99 b_sharp

What have you been feeding it?

Vines.

102 klys  Aug 14, 2014 5:37:48pm

re: #98 Stanley Sea

Thank you! My laptop is a sputtering as well.

I installed 8 more gigs of memory on my desktop or else I’d be having some issues too.

Of course, I’m like a browser designer’s worst case nightmare user, who keeps tabs open for days and days on end. I will find all the memory leaks.

103 lawhawk  Aug 14, 2014 5:38:06pm

re: #85 Gus

Of course he does. Because that’s how he rolls.

104 Justanotherhuman  Aug 14, 2014 5:38:46pm
105 b_sharp  Aug 14, 2014 5:38:49pm

re: #101 Stanley Sea

Vines.

With or without sour grapes?

106 Stanley Sea  Aug 14, 2014 5:39:07pm

Watch out mofo’s, we’ve evolved.

107 Charles Johnson  Aug 14, 2014 5:39:19pm

I saved the page at Website in case he tries to change his link.

webcitation.org

108 Stanley Sea  Aug 14, 2014 5:39:45pm

re: #105 b_sharp

With or without sour grapes?

Tonight, sweet.

109 BeachDem  Aug 14, 2014 5:40:40pm

re: #89 klys

If you click on it, it will stop playing.

I don’t know if that will be sufficient, but worth a shot.

Thank you, thank you—it was sounding like the computer was about to explode!

110 klys  Aug 14, 2014 5:41:19pm

re: #109 BeachDem

Thank you, thank you—it was sounding like the computer was about to explode!

I’m really glad that helped. I wasn’t sure if it would be enough. :)

111 wrenchwench  Aug 14, 2014 5:41:23pm

re: #83 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

The article after that is even better.

112 goddamnedfrank  Aug 14, 2014 5:42:52pm

The Ferguson turnaround confirms a suspicion I had during the 1999 WTO debacle in Seattle, that police by and large create violent situations by taking up a spatially us vs. them formation. When they tank up in riot gear and form up in an organized defensive posture it breeds both fear and hostility, both in themselves and in whatever crowd they’re facing off against. When police intermingle in the crowd they not only ratchet down the fear and hostility, but they put themselves in a much better position to both catch and deter troublemakers in that crowd.

Face masks, armor and shields dehumanize police, they create barriers separating them from the community, and they foster in cops a self image as badass gladiators instead of peace officers.

113 Gus  Aug 14, 2014 5:43:39pm

re: #103 lawhawk

Of course he does. Because that’s how he rolls.

I AM NOT A RACIST AND YOU’RE TEH REAL RACIST FOR CALLING ME RACIST!!11TY

114 b_sharp  Aug 14, 2014 5:44:39pm

re: #108 Stanley Sea

Tonight, sweet.

:-)

115 klys  Aug 14, 2014 5:45:11pm

re: #113 Gus

I AM NOT A RACIST AND YOU’RE THE REAL RACIST FOR CALLING ME RACIST!!11TY

Wait, wait, don’t tell me — NRO contributor, this week.

116 Teukka  Aug 14, 2014 5:45:33pm

OT but relevant question:
Any shit going down in Ukraine?

117 Gus  Aug 14, 2014 5:45:43pm

Council of Conservative Citizens is not a racist organization libtard!!11TY

118 Kilroy01  Aug 14, 2014 5:45:52pm

re: #112 goddamnedfrank

Add hiding badges and not giving names when asked…

Because that always breeds trust and accountability.

119 jaunte  Aug 14, 2014 5:46:37pm

re: #100 lawhawk

Nope. His “customers” weren’t businesses. They were the white communities surrounding Ferguson. His job, as he saw it, was to contain the situation to Ferguson, at all costs. And that meant coming down hard, merited or not.

There’s a whole lot of racism involved here, from the white flight that changed the local demographics in short order, to the education system that has been filleted and gutted (which is a disaster in its own right).

Seen on vox.com:
“…Police forces usually fall into one of two categories, though there some grey situations between the two. You either protect the rule of law and the population, or you’re the type of police force that’s there to protect the regime. What’s happening in Ferguson is what regime protection forces do, not what rule of law police do.”
—Jason Fritz
(Iraq war veteran, analyst on policing in conflict zones)

120 Souliren  Aug 14, 2014 5:46:41pm

How long have people been saying that the type of police tactics used earlier in this crisis CAUSES violence, injuries and injustice?

Man back in the 60’s we were saying the same thing.

The Right Wingnuts (where I hang mostly) have been against the militarization of the police. I have been reading articles on that for years…. the same on left wing moon bat sites. :)

I know it’ kind of early but it looks like Obama and Holder a right on this issue and we have proof.

This event will be historical hopefully.

121 thedopefishlives  Aug 14, 2014 5:46:44pm

re: #99 b_sharp

What have you been feeding it?

Hamsters.

122 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 14, 2014 5:46:45pm

re: #56 klys

I agree, but I am also unwilling to extrapolate that to ALL COPS EVERYWHERE.

I’d prefer to treat people as individuals and evaluate each on their own behavior.

Back for just a moment, because I was thinking of something that related.

A major reason I come down so hard on law enforcement is because of my own experience with my father who was in law enforcement. Minuimum security corrections in California, actually.

I saw the changes in his temperament (which were not good at all) and I heard his stories from on the job, which were often alarming.

By his own estimation, two of the officers he worked with were outright sadists. They enjoyed hurting people, and often hurt them badly, sending them to the hospital for being mouthy or not getting on their bunks quickly enough when the officers entered the barracks. Broken bones, arms pulled out of alignment etc.

This was tolerated by the department, although their sadism was known to all the other officers.

Moreover, the local police would often deliver new inmates. The new inmates were often given an “inauguration” of a beat down before being handed over to corrections, more often then not to annoy the corrections officers who now had to deal with an extremely angry and possibly injured new inmate who had done nothing to be assaulted for.

This was tolerated as well.

The bad officers were known. They were visible. They kept doing bad things to hurt people whenever they could.

And nobody did a thing about it. Ever.

This is why I am sceptical of law enforcement. Even the good cops are unable or unwilling to confront the bad apples in their midst, and the chain of command lets the bad apples go unpunished.

And with that, I bid you all adieu for awhile.

123 CuriousLurker  Aug 14, 2014 5:47:30pm

re: #117 Gus

Council of Conservative Citizens is not a racist organization libtard!!11TY

Yeah, it’s a human rights org, like Geller’s SIOA. //

124 Targetpractice  Aug 14, 2014 5:49:10pm

re: #112 goddamnedfrank

The Ferguson turnaround confirms a suspicion I had during the 1999 WTO debacle in Seattle, that police by and large create violent situations by taking up a spatially us vs. them formation. When they tank up in riot gear and form up in an organized defensive posture it breeds both fear and hostility, both in themselves and in whatever crowd they’re facing off against. When police intermingle in the crowd they not only ratchet down the fear and hostility, but they put themselves in a much better position to both catch and deter troublemakers in that crowd.

Face masks, armor and shields dehumanize police, they create barriers separating them from the community, and they foster in cops a self image as badass gladiators instead of peace officers.

Indeed, the change in atmosphere and attitude tonight really enforces the idea that the cops are the problem in Ferguson, not the residents. I think the FBI may have to expand its investigation beyond the single shooting and considering the FPD as a whole.

125 wrenchwench  Aug 14, 2014 5:49:45pm

re: #94 Stanley Sea

That was one of the most moving interviews I’ve heard in quite awhile. When he broke down talking about how he, degreed and credentialed had to go back to what his own dad advised him about being stopped by the police. sigh.

Then he glossed himself the weeping prophet. heh.

Anyone who missed it.

Rev. Johnson and Capt. Johnson both have been young black men, and both are raising black sons. It should not take that in order to feel empathy for people in Ferguson, but for sure that will create empathy.

126 Stanley Sea  Aug 14, 2014 5:51:33pm

re: #119 jaunte

Seen on vox.com:
“…Police forces usually fall into one of two categories, though there some grey situations between the two. You either protect the rule of law and the population, or you’re the type of police force that’s there to protect the regime. What’s happening in Ferguson is what regime protection forces do, not what rule of law police do.”
—Jason Fritz
(Iraq war veteran, analyst on policing in conflict zones)

I have been totally freaked out reading the PoliceOne blog. I would love to hear from some sane cops dismissing that blog.

127 Kragar  Aug 14, 2014 5:52:25pm

From the comments at Dim Jim’s “Those gang signs originated with the Illuminati!”

And this person was being serious.

“The ’ whatz up blood ’ is the illuminati 666 hand sign. It would be interesting if Brown’s father turns out to be in a masonic lodge like Trayvon’s father.”

128 Targetpractice  Aug 14, 2014 5:53:17pm

re: #127 Kragar

From the comments at Dim Jim’s “Those gang signs originated with the Illuminati!”

And this person was being serious.

I think it’s time for his bartender to cut him off, because he’s clearly had enough.

129 Shiplord Kirel  Aug 14, 2014 5:53:39pm

re: #127 Kragar

From the comments at Dim Jim’s “Those gang signs originated with the Illuminati!”

And this person was being serious.

If he only knew! Buwahaahaahaa!

130 Kilroy01  Aug 14, 2014 5:53:52pm

What I’m worried about is if nothing violent happens tonight will the press even mention it tomorrow in any meaningful way?

131 b_sharp  Aug 14, 2014 5:53:59pm

re: #127 Kragar

From the comments at Dim Jim’s “Those gang signs originated with the Illuminati!”

And this person was being serious.

He probably thinks it’s a good idea to split up into smaller groups while in a haunted house too.

132 jaunte  Aug 14, 2014 5:54:09pm

re: #127 Kragar

Straight Outta Bilderberg

133 CuriousLurker  Aug 14, 2014 5:54:40pm

Gonna leave you guys on a positive note. Have a good night, everyone. ;-)

134 Patricia Kayden  Aug 14, 2014 5:56:29pm

re: #51 CuriousLurker

I understand your point but police brutality has been a problem here for decades — long before President Obama came on the scene. Seems like the police just don’t have a good relationship with lower income people, many of whom happen to be Black. The Rodney King assault and subsequent jury verdict acquitting the police officers stands out to me as a seminal moment in race relations. I was living in Ontario at the time, and remember coming home from work and hearing about the verdict and just being shocked out of my mind.

Are there racists who want to punish Blacks for President Obama? Sure. But not sure that has much to do with the racial problems in Ferguson or with the overall tensions between the police and Blacks nationwide.

135 Gus  Aug 14, 2014 5:56:32pm
136 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 14, 2014 5:56:35pm

re: #133 CuriousLurker

Amazing how different the approaches are between STL City Police, MHP and the Ferguson and STL County police.

137 allegro  Aug 14, 2014 5:57:44pm

re: #130 Kilroy01

What I’m worried about is if nothing violent happens tonight will the press even mention it tomorrow in any meaningful way?

There’s still a really big spark ready to ignite: the results of the investigation and what happens to that cop who murdered Mike Brown. Until there’s resolution, calm is likely illusory.

138 BeachDem  Aug 14, 2014 5:59:45pm

re: #127 Kragar

From the comments at Dim Jim’s “Those gang signs originated with the Illuminati!”

And this person was being serious.

Not the Black Panthers, not the ghey—THESE are the people who scare me.

139 Bubblehead II  Aug 14, 2014 6:00:17pm
140 Shiplord Kirel  Aug 14, 2014 6:01:46pm

Folks, I think the whole massive, decades long, nation-wide trend toward police militarization has been comprehensively discredited in the space of a few hours. Departments all over the country will be scrambling to mothball their armored vehicles, hide their SWAT gear unless it’s really needed, get decent brass buttoned uniforms, and change their attitudes. It could save hundreds of lives and billions of dollars over the next few years.

141 Kilroy01  Aug 14, 2014 6:01:52pm

re: #137 allegro

Yes but will the press only focus on the tear gas, storm troopers vs “rioters” or on the fact that wasn’t really necessary and counter productive?

142 ausador  Aug 14, 2014 6:02:27pm

re: #109 BeachDem

Thank you, thank you—it was sounding like the computer was about to explode!

In that case whatever you do do don’t go to @antoniofrench

Or at least put on your protective blast suit first.

(My older vista machine can barely function with just that one page open, utilizes about 1.4 gigs of memory just to load the page)

143 BeachDem  Aug 14, 2014 6:02:36pm

re: #136 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Amazing how different the approaches are between STL City Police, MHP and the Ferguson and STL County police.

And I know looks can sometimes be deceiving, but Johnson and Dotson just have much more kind appearances than the StL County and Ferguson guys.

144 Stanley Sea  Aug 14, 2014 6:02:42pm

This is a moment. From one night to the next a change so obvious.

(My call to Claire McCaskill’s office helped).

145 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 14, 2014 6:03:24pm

re: #74 Charles Johnson

You knew this was coming:

BREAKING: Michael Brown Was a GANGSTER - Seen Flashing “BLOODS” Gang Signs | the Gateway Pundit

So when cute white girls make those signs, that makes them gun molls? (or whatever they call girl gangstas)

146 ObserverArt  Aug 14, 2014 6:03:47pm

re: #127 Kragar

From the comments at Dim Jim’s “Those gang signs originated with the Illuminati!”

And this person was being serious.

They need a discount on aluminum foil at Dollar General. 10 boxes of the big stuff, extra heavy-duty. Then I suggest a six-layer, full suit making sure to cover the eyes and ears.

147 Cassidy  Aug 14, 2014 6:12:51pm

re: #140 Shiplord Kirel

No they won’t. Would be nice, but they’ll never be convinced they aren’t the last line between structure and collapse.

148 prairiefire  Aug 14, 2014 6:13:29pm

re: #144 Stanley Sea

This is a moment. From one night to the next a change so obvious.

(My call to Claire McCaskill’s office helped).

Good going!

149 ausador  Aug 14, 2014 6:14:58pm

re: #126 Stanley Sea

I have been totally freaked out reading the PoliceOne blog. I would love to hear from some sane cops dismissing that blog.

With the overall atmosphere there I doubt that many “good” cops give that place the time of day. Surely that can’t be the only police officer forum around, maybe it is like the police equivalent to Gateway Pundit while somewhere else there is an equivalent to LGF.

After all we have all seen how people tend to voluntarily segregate themselves into groups that reflect their own biases and thinking online. Maybe PoliceOne is simply the preferred hangout for officers sharing that type of mindset?

150 klys  Aug 14, 2014 6:16:33pm

re: #149 ausador

With the overall atmosphere there I doubt that many “good” cops give that place the time of day. Surely that can’t be the only police officer forum around, maybe it is like the police equivalent to Gateway Pundit while somewhere else there is an equivalent to LGF.

After all we have all seen how people tend to voluntarily segregate themselves into groups that reflect their own biases and thinking online. Maybe PoliceOne is simply the preferred hangout for officers sharing that type of mindset?

I expect sanity there as much as I would at FR.

151 CuriousLurker  Aug 14, 2014 6:19:04pm

re: #134 Patricia Kayden

I understand your point but police brutality has been a problem here for decades — long before President Obama came on the scene. Seems like the police just don’t have a good relationship with lower income people, many of whom happen to be Black. The Rodney King assault and subsequent jury verdict acquitting the police officers stands out to me as a seminal moment in race relations. I was living in Ontario at the time, and remember coming home from work and hearing about the verdict and just being shocked out of my mind.

Are there racists who want to punish Blacks for President Obama? Sure. But not sure that has much to do with the racial problems in Ferguson or with the overall tensions between the police and Blacks nationwide.

I get what you’re saying, bit I’m not sure you really understood my point which was that this is a societal problem with roots going back hundreds of years. I don’t think I implied—or at least I didn’t intend to—that this was an either/or situation, i.e. that it had to be related only to current events (POTUS).

I say this as a “brown person” (half Hispanic) who learned about prejudice & racism early on on South Central Texas, and who has had to deal with both again, in varying degrees, after converting and becoming an observant (and therefore identifiably) Muslim woman.

Try being a brown woman back in the early 80s, alone, driving a taxi up a lonely Texas 2-lane highway that passes through one tiny “sundown town” after another. I had a pick-up try to run me off the road, apparently just for shits & giggles. I was about 6 months pregnant at the time. It was probably the most terrifying 5 minutes of my entire life because I knew going to the local cops would probably just put me in an even more precarious position.

Okay, now I’m really leaving! Not coming back tonight no matter what, heh.

152 alpuz  Aug 14, 2014 6:55:53pm

re: #45 Charles Johnson

As a youngster getting busted and beat up for being a skateboarder, this book was recommended to me by one of my professors:

en.wikipedia.org

In retrospect, all of the encounters with police, whether because I was a dick, or a victim, the best police force I came across was the Madison P.D. Especially the women. They always treated me with dignity.

I also have one hell of a story about cooking at a bar & grill in Madison, when the fire department played the police department in a softball game. I’ll just leave it with a ‘holy shit.’

153 alpuz  Aug 14, 2014 6:57:36pm

Gah! New thread! I never learn…

155 Floral Giraffe  Aug 14, 2014 9:15:21pm

Cpt. Johnson WALKED in the march. “We’re all in this together…we’re not in this for fear, to intimidate.” THIS is how a situation gets resolved!


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