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1 teleskiguy  Nov 4, 2014 8:01:58pm

*re-posted from downstairs*

If Bob Beauprez wins the governors race in Colorado the next four years are going to be bad news. He’ll try to outlaw abortion using TRAP laws, he might try to outlaw cannabis, he’ll construct a tax structure like Kansas’ is now, he’ll be a union buster like Scott Walker, he’ll be pretty nasty.

2 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 4, 2014 8:03:27pm

just got back from my Robespierre practice presentation. how bad is the damage?

3 Shiplord Kirel  Nov 4, 2014 8:03:43pm

Good news: AP has called the Kansas governor’s race for Democrat Davis over Bat Guano incumbent Brownback, 49 to 47.
Brownback, a noted religious right figure, is so stupid he actually believes in Reaganomics, cutting taxes and plunging the state into fiscal chaos to attract investment that has inexplicably failed to materialize.

4 Viscous Obama  Nov 4, 2014 8:04:18pm

HEY IT’S GLENN WALKER MCNAUGHTON CHECKING BACK IN AND I HAVE A ROCK HARD BONER RIGHT NOW

AND I’M HAVING VISIONS OF JESUS AND BOB DOLE

5 Chrysicat  Nov 4, 2014 8:04:30pm

re: #1 teleskiguy
Also reposted:

And he’ll have both halves of the statehouse pushing for things even more conservative than he is. Yep, we’re back to being Kansas or Texas.

6 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 4, 2014 8:04:40pm

It looks like the angry white vote is still hard to deal with… :(

7 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 8:04:54pm

re: #3 Shiplord Kirel

Good news: AP has called the Kansas governor’s race for Democrat Davis over Bat Guano Republican Brownback, 49 to 47.
Brownback, a noted religious right figure, is so stupid he actually believes in Reaganomics, cutting taxes and plunging the state into fiscal chaos to attract investment that has inexplicably failed to materialize.

That’s good. Too man that Olman couldn’t beat Roberts. Kansas has had only Republicans in the Senate going back to 1932-wow!

8 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 8:05:20pm

re: #6 Aunty Entity Dragon

It looks like the angry white vote is still hard to deal with… :(

I’m an angry white but I am not the type that will ever vote for them.

9 jaunte  Nov 4, 2014 8:06:13pm
10 withak  Nov 4, 2014 8:06:40pm

Fuck Scott Walker.

11 Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2014 8:06:57pm

re: #3 Shiplord Kirel

Good news: AP has called the Kansas governor’s race for Democrat Davis over Bat Guano Republican Brownback, 49 to 47.
Brownback, a noted religious right figure, is so stupid he actually believes in Reaganomics, cutting taxes and plunging the state into fiscal chaos to attract investment that has inexplicably failed to materialize.

And the GOP will too busy dancing in celebration of a Senate majority to notice that the voters of Kansas just voted against their tax policies.

12 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 8:07:22pm

re: #9 jaunte

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I hate to say it but he’s not totally out of bounds bringing her into this since she has been campaigning for many candidates but at the same time Rand ignores that turnout is low and he was not saying this when a much higher turn out returned President Obama to the White House.

13 Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2014 8:07:29pm

re: #9 jaunte

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“But totally supportive of me running for President. Did I forget to mention I’m thinking about running?”

14 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 4, 2014 8:07:33pm

Fuck. GOP control of the senate is done deal. Can you say impeachment?

15 Belafon  Nov 4, 2014 8:07:44pm

re: #6 Aunty Entity Dragon

And they will be as long as they keep winning midterms, especially since they can’t win presidential elections.

16 qubit2020  Nov 4, 2014 8:07:54pm

Ugh. 4 more years of Rick Scott and the Medical Marijuana amendment goes down in flames….

17 Jenner7  Nov 4, 2014 8:08:00pm

re: #9 jaunte

President still more popular than where YOU work, Rand.

18 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 8:08:11pm

re: #13 Targetpractice

“But totally supportive of me running for President. Did I forget to mention I’m thinking about running?”

The next family reunion is going to be a little awkward between him and dear old Dad since Ron was right there as always eager to shit on the GOP parade.

19 teleskiguy  Nov 4, 2014 8:08:42pm
20 withak  Nov 4, 2014 8:08:44pm

re: #3 Shiplord Kirel

Good news: AP has called the Kansas governor’s race for Democrat Davis over Bat Guano incumbent Brownback, 49 to 47.
Brownback, a noted religious right figure, is so stupid he actually believes in Reaganomics, cutting taxes and plunging the state into fiscal chaos to attract investment that has inexplicably failed to materialize.

This is really, really good news. Looks like Roberts won the Senate seat, though.

21 teleskiguy  Nov 4, 2014 8:09:05pm

re: #16 qubit2020

Ugh. 4 more years of Rick Scott and the Medical Marijuana amendment goes down in flames….

With 57% of the vote!

22 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 4, 2014 8:09:24pm

Not looking good for Kay Hagan. My vote for her in Greensboro may be still outstanding since Guilford county is still not reporting.

23 Belafon  Nov 4, 2014 8:09:37pm

re: #21 teleskiguy

Sounds like the US Senate.

24 Chrysicat  Nov 4, 2014 8:09:45pm

We’re gonna look back fondly on the 2010 elections.

And that’s about what I predicted going into tonight.

25 qubit2020  Nov 4, 2014 8:10:17pm

As much as I can’t stand Mitch McConnell, I can’t work up any sympathy for Alison Lundgren. No spine or loyalty.

26 nearly-headless smith25  Nov 4, 2014 8:10:18pm

Proposition 122 in Arizona…smdh

A “yes” vote shall have the effect of allowing the state to restrict the state and all local governments from using any personnel or financial resources to enforce, administer or cooperate with a federal action or program that is not consistent with the Constitution of the United States. The state’s authority is exercised if the state passes an initiative, referendum, bill, or pursues any other available legal remedy

27 Shiplord Kirel  Nov 4, 2014 8:10:36pm

My daughter, who lives in Kansas, tells me the voters approved a measure that will allow school children to hold raffles. I guess this was a fallback plan for financing text book purchases if Brownback had won, fortunately not necessary now that he has been sent packing.

28 palomino  Nov 4, 2014 8:10:46pm

re: #3 Shiplord Kirel

Good news: AP has called the Kansas governor’s race for Democrat Davis over Bat Guano incumbent Brownback, 49 to 47.
Brownback, a noted religious right figure, is so stupid he actually believes in Reaganomics, cutting taxes and plunging the state into fiscal chaos to attract investment that has inexplicably failed to materialize.

I’m shocked, but pleasantly, to hear this.

So then let’s reframe one of our most important political questions by looking one state to the south and asking, “What the fuck is wrong with Oklahoma?”

29 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 4, 2014 8:10:59pm

re: #25 qubit2020

As much as I can’t stand Mitch McConnell, I can’t work up any sympathy for Alison Lundgren. No spine or loyalty.

She torpedoed her own campaign.

30 teleskiguy  Nov 4, 2014 8:11:29pm

re: #23 Belafon

Sounds like the US Senate.

I’ve been wanting to say this all night: I hate the Senate. Least-democratic democratic institution in the known universe.

I would prefer a more parliamentary system with a bunch of parties.

It is what it is.

31 freetoken  Nov 4, 2014 8:11:31pm

Is Nate Silver gloating yet?

32 Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2014 8:11:57pm

re: #17 Jenner7

President still more popular than where YOU work, Rand.

Yeah, GOP Congressional approval ratings are only as high as they are because polls can’t go into negative numbers, but this fuckwit is out there saying that this is proof that the American people have repudiated the President?

33 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 4, 2014 8:12:16pm
34 Viscous Obama  Nov 4, 2014 8:12:16pm

Dark Falcon must be having convulsions right now, Rauner is in the lead

can’t wait to see all those awesome policies man

35 qubit2020  Nov 4, 2014 8:12:31pm

“With 57% of the vote!”
Medical Marijuana had to garner 60% to pass as a constitutional amendment.

36 freetoken  Nov 4, 2014 8:12:33pm

Here on the left coast the polls have just closed. Races will probably turn out as expected:

sdvote.com

37 jaunte  Nov 4, 2014 8:12:42pm

Now that the GOP is back on top, we can look forward to that shower of money about to trickle down.

38 teleskiguy  Nov 4, 2014 8:12:48pm

Oy.

39 withak  Nov 4, 2014 8:12:53pm

C’mon, Iowa, don’t fuck this up. I take back all the mean things I’ve said about you.

40 Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2014 8:13:21pm

re: #38 teleskiguy

Oy.

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And they still won’t be able to govern.

41 Chrysicat  Nov 4, 2014 8:13:40pm

re: #37 jaunte

We’ll be showered with gold, but I don’t think those are pieces of eight about to fall…

42 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 4, 2014 8:13:51pm

Kay Hagan was actually in my spouse’s store this afternoon. Wish I could have been there to wish her luck. She attends the Methodist church we used to go to.

Looks like she made up some ground in the last minute.

43 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 8:14:29pm

re: #34 Viscous Obama

Dark Falcon must be having convulsions right now, Rauner is in the lead

can’t wait to see all those awesome policies man

So all political corruption in Illinois will disappear now that there’s a R governor in Illinois right? Sorry to be so cheeky about but he really annoys me when he acts like all the corruption in his state is due to the Democrats there. I know the Democrats there aren’t uh exactly ethical(got a good friend from downstate) but the way DF acts about the Republican Party there disgusts me especially knowing the last Republican governor there is currently a federal inmate.

44 jaunte  Nov 4, 2014 8:14:34pm

re: #41 Chrysicat

“It’s the liquidity!”

45 freetoken  Nov 4, 2014 8:14:43pm

re: #38 teleskiguy

While the Dems will have enough votes in the Senate to hold up most anything, I wonder if Ted Cruz really is going to try to be the majority leader?

46 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 4, 2014 8:15:27pm

OMG the Texas race with Wendy Davis was a frakking blowout for the no name GOP guy. So much for purple Texas.

47 Shiplord Kirel  Nov 4, 2014 8:15:43pm

48 Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2014 8:15:53pm

re: #45 freetoken

While the Dems will have enough votes in the Senate to hold up most anything, I wonder if Ted Cruz really is going to try to be the majority leader?

I think he’ll work some deal with McConnell in the backroom: He won’t challenge him for leader, but the TPers will get to run the show. Basically the same Faustian deal Boehner was offered back in 2010.

49 Chrysicat  Nov 4, 2014 8:15:59pm

re: #40 Targetpractice

“Oh, we’ll be able to govern just fine! Every last bill the House initiates will be sent to the Traitor-in-Chief—and he has to be smart enough to realise at some point that he has to start signing them, BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT THE COUNTRY WANTS! It proved it when it put us in in such a landslide!”

50 GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 4, 2014 8:16:17pm

re: #34 Viscous Obama

Dark Falcon must be having convulsions right now, Rauner is in the lead

can’t wait to see all those awesome policies man

All state referendums passed handily. Raise minimum wage. Victim’s rights. 3% tax on millionaires. Durbin will keep Rauner in line.

51 palomino  Nov 4, 2014 8:16:20pm

re: #33 NJDhockeyfan

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Of course Perdue won. Georgia is almost as redneck as its deep south neighbors like Bama, SC, Tenn, etc.

52 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 4, 2014 8:16:41pm

re: #45 freetoken

While the Dems will have enough votes in the Senate to hold up most anything, I wonder if Ted Cruz really is going to try to be the majority leader?

Yes. He is the kind of borderline personality narcissist who will not be able to resist some sort of insurrection IMHO.

53 SpaceJesus  Nov 4, 2014 8:17:00pm

What is an Illinois with a Republican governor going to look like?

54 Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2014 8:17:26pm

And since the GOP won even more seats in the House, I wonder if this means Boehner will remain Speaker or if there will be a fight now to unseat him in favor of a more “conservative” replacement?

55 GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 4, 2014 8:17:36pm

re: #53 SpaceJesus

What is an Illinois with a Republican governor going to look like?

Shittier.

56 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 4, 2014 8:18:03pm

re: #53 SpaceJesus

What is an Illinois with a Republican governor going to look like?

The biggest damage will probably be making it a Right To Work Exploit state.

57 Chrysicat  Nov 4, 2014 8:18:04pm

re: #45 freetoken

How exactly are the Dems going to have the Senate votes to hold up anything? These Rs are going to initiate the Nuclear Option.

58 jaunte  Nov 4, 2014 8:18:15pm
59 qubit2020  Nov 4, 2014 8:18:19pm

re: #46 Aunty Entity Dragon

OMG the Texas race with Wendy Davis was a frakking blowout for the no name GOP guy. So much for purple Texas.

Not sure I could live in Texas. Austin is kind of neat (too far from the ocean to my liking…), but, couldn’t talk to most people about much more than the weather.

60 freetoken  Nov 4, 2014 8:18:58pm

re: #57 Chrysicat

How exactly are the Dems going to have the Senate votes to hold up anything? These Rs are going to initiate the Nuclear Option.

I wondered about that, but there are enough good ol’ boys in the Senate who really want it to remain the good ol’ boy club.

61 teleskiguy  Nov 4, 2014 8:19:05pm
62 WhatEVs  Nov 4, 2014 8:19:23pm

re: #50 GlutenFreeJesus

All state referendums passed handily. Raise minimum wage. Victim’s rights. 3% tax on millionaires. Durbin will keep Rauner in line.

What about the one on birth control? Do you know?

63 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 8:19:30pm

re: #59 qubit2020

Not sure I could live in Texas. Austin is kind of neat (too far from the ocean to my liking…), but, couldn’t talk to most people about much more than the weather.

Yeah you ain’t kidding. Texas really has Austin and that’s the only part that really appeals to me. Maybe San Antonio. The other parts not so much. No offense to any Texans here but I hate the heavily inflated sense of self that many Texans have.

64 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 4, 2014 8:19:51pm

Oh FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK

MSNBC saying marriage equality and the SCOTUS was driving the GOP voters here in NC even though neither candidate mentioned it.

The SCOTUS sinking prop 1 here pissed off the locals last month.

65 Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2014 8:20:13pm

re: #60 freetoken

I wondered about that, but there are enough good ol’ boys in the Senate who really want it to remain the good ol’ boy club.

I think it depends on what they want to pass. I’m sure there’s some bill that will be seen as so vital to them between now and 2016 that McConnell will nuke the filibuster just to make it happen.

66 WhatEVs  Nov 4, 2014 8:20:53pm

re: #53 SpaceJesus

What is an Illinois with a Republican governor going to look like?

He’ll likely be sharing the wing of Statesville (or whichever prison they house all our ex governors) just like every other living governor.

67 WhatEVs  Nov 4, 2014 8:21:14pm

re: #56 William Barnett-Lewis

The biggest damage will probably be making it a Right To Work Exploit state.

I thought it already was.

68 freetoken  Nov 4, 2014 8:21:24pm

Iowa results link:

electionresults.sos.iowa.gov

The wingnuttier areas of the state have fewer reporting precincts as of now, so expect the Republicans to start to pull away as more results come in (other than the two solid Dem congressional districts.)

69 Jenner7  Nov 4, 2014 8:21:30pm
70 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 8:21:32pm

re: #64 Aunty Entity Dragon

Oh FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK

MSNBC saying marriage equality and the SCOTUS was driving the GOP voters here in NC even though neither candidate mentioned it.

The SCOTUS sinking prop 1 here pissed off the locals last month.

Yet I keep on being told that Republican voters are over social issues and only really care about economic issues. Oh wait? They’re still sexually repressed freaks who can’t handle the fact that two people of the same gender should be able to marry? What? You don’t say. Okay my smartassholery aside that really bums me because as much as I hate the GOP and right, I really did have some hope that people would stop caring about this.

71 Egregious Philbin  Nov 4, 2014 8:22:00pm

re: #26 nearly-headless smith25

Proposition 122 in Arizona…smdh

A “yes” vote shall have the effect of allowing the state to restrict the state and all local governments from using any personnel or financial resources to enforce, administer or cooperate with a federal action or program that is not consistent with the Constitution of the United States. The state’s authority is exercised if the state passes an initiative, referendum, bill, or pursues any other available legal remedy

Don’t worry, it will last 3 minutes in court before it is thrown out…at a cost of a few millions to taxpayers

72 Chrysicat  Nov 4, 2014 8:22:23pm
73 GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 4, 2014 8:22:23pm

re: #62 WhatEVs

What about the one on birth control? Do you know?

Oh yeah. That passed too. So BC has to be included. Sorry. I knew I forgot one. That one passed handily too.

74 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 8:22:54pm

re: #72 Chrysicat

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Forget it, it’s Theorat Town.

75 Viscous Obama  Nov 4, 2014 8:22:59pm

re: #47 Shiplord Kirel

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Keen Umbehr, did he come from the same planet as Reince Preibus

76 WhatEVs  Nov 4, 2014 8:23:32pm

re: #73 GlutenFreeJesus

Oh yeah. That passed too. So BC has to be included. Sorry. I knew I forgot one. That one passed handily too.

Good. I am glad. I had to read those amendments several times to make sure they weren’t pulling a Frank Luntz on us.

77 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 4, 2014 8:23:51pm

re: #70 HappyWarrior

Yet I keep on being told that Republican voters are over social issues and only really care about economic issues. Oh wait? They’re still sexually repressed freaks who can’t handle the fact that two people of the same gender should be able to marry? What? You don’t say. Okay my smartassholery aside that really bums me because as much as I hate the GOP and right, I really did have some hope that people would stop caring about this.

The prop 1 thing here was fucking huge…and scary violent in some areas. It made news last week here in NC when a judge quit instead of handing out marriage liscences for teh kweers.

78 WhatEVs  Nov 4, 2014 8:24:47pm

How depressing.

I am sorry I checked in before going to bed.

G’night all. I don’t think I can read much more. (sigh)

Thanks so much for the updates!!

79 SpaceJesus  Nov 4, 2014 8:24:52pm

Weed lookin’ legal in Oregon tho

80 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 4, 2014 8:24:54pm

Kansas governor race back into too close to call…

81 Egregious Philbin  Nov 4, 2014 8:24:57pm

Very glad to see my rep Krysten Sinema re-elected. She is a moderate and an atheist. woo!

82 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 8:25:14pm

re: #77 Aunty Entity Dragon

The prop 1 thing here was fucking huge…and scary violent in some areas. It made news last week here in NC when a judge quit instead of handing out marriage liscences for teh kweers.

That’s legitimately scary. Up here to your north, we may yet elect one of the assholes behind the strategy to push SSM bans in 2004 on ballots. It will really befuddle my mind if we replace one of the best public servants this state has ever had in Mark Warner with a RNC/lobbyist hack like Ed Gillespie.

83 palomino  Nov 4, 2014 8:25:17pm

re: #65 Targetpractice

I think it depends on what they want to pass. I’m sure there’s some bill that will be seen as so vital to them between now and 2016 that McConnell will nuke the filibuster just to make it happen.

Nuking the filibuster makes sense if your party’s guy is in the WH. Because then the legislation can be signed and become law. But Obama will just veto anything Congress manages to pass with purely Republican votes.

But it really doesn’t make much sense over the next two years unless there’s a piece of GOP legislation so popular with the public that the Dems’ filibuster starts to hurt the party.

84 teleskiguy  Nov 4, 2014 8:25:36pm

Oh. My. Fuck.

This guy won a seat in the Colorado statehouse tonight.

Youtube Video

85 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 8:25:45pm

re: #79 SpaceJesus

Weed lookin’ legal in Oregon tho

Don’t know why they didn’t join the cool kids and do it two years ago.

86 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 8:26:10pm

re: #84 teleskiguy

Oh. My. Fuck.

This guy won a seat in the Colorado statehouse tonight.

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Video

I knew I recognized that name when you posted ti earlier.

87 Jenner7  Nov 4, 2014 8:26:11pm
88 jaunte  Nov 4, 2014 8:26:13pm

Reince Priebus is right on top of getting KXL pipeline passed.

89 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 4, 2014 8:26:59pm
90 jaunte  Nov 4, 2014 8:27:05pm
91 freetoken  Nov 4, 2014 8:27:44pm

The two axes along which the American populace are separating are:

Rural vs. Urban
Religious vs. Nons

The Urban Nons are a minority and will remain so. If the Dems are going to win they will have to target the Religious or the Rural.

After this elections, I expect we’ll hear more about Je$u$ from Dems, or at least “God” in a very open-to-interpretation way. I don’t know what to think about if there will be a pullback regarding gay rights.

92 qubit2020  Nov 4, 2014 8:27:44pm

re: #80 Aunty Entity Dragon

Kansas governor race back into too close to call…

Oh man. That was one ray of sunshine in a hurricane of bad news.

93 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 4, 2014 8:27:58pm

A GOP win like we are looking at will almost guarantee an impeachment attempt on Benghazi…which will then be used to club Hillary over the head.

94 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 8:28:02pm

re: #90 jaunte

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Actually that should be Thank You for forgetting everything we’ve actually done the past six years.

95 Areopagitica  Nov 4, 2014 8:29:27pm

re: #62 WhatEVs

Rauner will not get anything nuts past Mike Madigan. As much as his 40 years as Illinois’ ruling politician have screwed this state, Rauner is not going to get a rubber stamp from the General Assembly.

96 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 8:29:36pm

re: #91 freetoken

The two axes along which the American populace are separating are:

Rural vs. Urban
Religious vs. Nons

The Urban Nons are a minority and will remain so. If the Dems are going to win they will have to target the Religious or the Rural.

After this elections, I expect we’ll hear more about Je$u$ from Dems, or at least “God” in a very open-to-interpretation way. I don’t know what to think about if there will be a pullback regarding gay rights.

I would hope if they do that they go into the helping the less well off while they’re down part but I am skeptical. I hate to say it but hating gays and denying women choice is more important to many religious voters than helping your fellow man out.

97 Chrysicat  Nov 4, 2014 8:29:42pm
98 jaunte  Nov 4, 2014 8:29:58pm

Born down in a dead man’s town
The first kick I took was when I hit the ground
You end up like a dog that’s been beat too much
Till you spend half your life just covering up
Born in the U.S.A.

99 Jenner7  Nov 4, 2014 8:30:40pm

Ernst projected to win, have control of Senate.

100 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 8:30:42pm

re: #98 jaunte

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Born down in a dead man’s town
The first kick I took was when I hit the ground
You end up like a dog that’s been beat too much
Till you spend half your life just covering up
Born in the U.S.A.

Yeah it amazes me that they still get this one wrong.

101 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 8:30:58pm

re: #99 Jenner7

Ernst projected to win, have control of Senate.

Damn. Thought Braley had that.

102 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 4, 2014 8:31:06pm

re: #94 HappyWarrior

Actually that should be Thank You for forgetting everything we’ve actually done the past six years.

The American polity has been famous for years for institutional amnesia. This is genuine cultural thng we have. Our collective attention span is laughably short, and we pay no attention at all to far too many important issues that actually affect us.

Ernst just called for Iowa. GOP controls Senate.

103 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 4, 2014 8:31:07pm
104 jaunte  Nov 4, 2014 8:31:24pm

David Perdue just won Georgia Senate seat: #1 priority in Senate is the “Fair Tax”

105 freetoken  Nov 4, 2014 8:31:33pm

re: #96 HappyWarrior

I hate to say it but hating gays and denying women choice is more important to many religious voters than helping your fellow man out.

The cheapest way for a politician to rouse support is to target groups to hate. In America right now, political traction is being made on hating Muslims, and to a lesser extent Africans. Gays are a split thing, but for sure in the Bible belt hating gays is a way to garner votes.

106 palomino  Nov 4, 2014 8:32:09pm

The biggest problem posed by a GOP senate will likely be their intransigence on Obama’s nominees to executive depts. and agencies, and especially the federal bench. An unprecedented shitstorm will likely result if another SC Justice retires/dies while Obama is still in office. We could end up with only 8 Justices for an indefinite period of time, if the gop aggressively fights to maintain its ideological edge in the SC.

Even if that doesn’t happen, govt. will continue hobbling along, not really functional. Which would generally be OK with most Republicans, as they want things to look fucked up going into 2016. AND they usually see it as an ideological victory anyway when govt. gets less and less done.

107 Areopagitica  Nov 4, 2014 8:32:18pm

Thank you Iowa, you just proved that even in the 21st century, you can all be dumb enough to elect a senator who believes in nullification. Henry Clay would be proud of you folks.

108 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 8:32:39pm

re: #105 freetoken

The cheapest way for a politician to rouse support is to target groups to hate. In America right now, political traction is being made on hating Muslims, and to a lesser extent Africans. Gays are a split thing, but for sure in the Bible belt hating gays is a way to garner votes.

Yep. And it will disgust me to see Dems possibly resort to that for votes. After the progress the party has made on the issue the past few years.

109 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 8:33:07pm

re: #107 Areopagitica

Thank you Iowa, you just proved that even in the 21st century, you can all be dumb enough to elect a senator who believes in nullification. Henry Clay would be proud of you folks.

Wouldn’t that be Calhoun?

110 Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2014 8:33:17pm

Democrats ran in 2012 on connections to the President and won big. Ran in 2010 and this year on putting as much distance as possible between him and themselves and got their asses handed to them.

Let’s see which lesson they pay attention to in 2016.

111 teleskiguy  Nov 4, 2014 8:33:18pm

Like I said downstairs, at least 70,000 people voted for a third party in the Senate race in Colorado. The governors race is no different.

Thanks, assholes.

112 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 4, 2014 8:33:25pm

Fucking Tillis.

I talked to that asshat once on the phone while he was in state office. Insulting asshole who kept assuring me my marriage was not valid in NC no matter what the fuck I said, the IRS said or anybody else said.

113 qubit2020  Nov 4, 2014 8:33:30pm

Better say a prayer Ruth Bader Ginsburg stays healthy….

114 jaunte  Nov 4, 2014 8:33:50pm
115 freetoken  Nov 4, 2014 8:33:50pm

re: #107 Areopagitica

Thank you Iowa, you just proved that even in the 21st century, you can all be dumb enough to elect a senator who believes in nullification. Henry Clay would be proud of you folks.

And to think, in the Civil War of the Rebellion, Iowa had a largest % of it’s men in the Union Army than any other state.

116 palomino  Nov 4, 2014 8:34:05pm

re: #89 NJDhockeyfan

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What’s your opinion about that?

117 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 8:34:07pm

re: #112 Aunty Entity Dragon

Fucking Tillis.

I talked to that asshat once on the phone while he was in state office. Insulting asshole who kept assuring me my marriage was not valid in NC no matter what the fuck I said, the IRS said or anybody else said.

Agh. I’m sorry. Bad enough for that to happen and now he’s your senator. Yucko.

118 Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2014 8:34:22pm

re: #114 jaunte

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We want all the goodies, none of the responsibility.

119 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 8:34:22pm

re: #114 jaunte

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They really are fucking high then.

120 Areopagitica  Nov 4, 2014 8:34:55pm

re: #109 HappyWarrior

My bad. You are correct.

121 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 8:35:06pm

re: #118 Targetpractice

We want all the goodies, none of the responsibility.

Yep. We want good schools, roads, health care, but then we hear about “Oh your taxes may have to go up” and we vote for the party that makes vague promises about tax cuts and “cutting big government.”

122 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 8:35:36pm

re: #120 Areopagitica

My bad. You are correct.

All good. History major. Jackson always said he had two regrets- not hanging Calhoun and shooting Clay.

123 Romantic Heretic  Nov 4, 2014 8:36:16pm

re: #121 HappyWarrior

Yep. We want good schools, roads, health care, but then we hear about “Oh your taxes may have to go up” and we vote for the party that makes vague promises about tax cuts and “cutting big government.”

At some point freedom became free, which it isn’t and never has been.

124 freetoken  Nov 4, 2014 8:36:24pm

Right now in Iowa:

Joni Ernst Republican Party 276,677 48.0%
Bruce Braley Democratic Party 276,624 48.0%

As I noted, more the wingnut western part of the state is coming in. This is Steve King territory, Je$u$-land and all that.

125 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 4, 2014 8:36:52pm

Hey DC…Smoke em if you got em!

126 Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2014 8:36:53pm

re: #121 HappyWarrior

Yep. We want good schools, roads, health care, but then we hear about “Oh your taxes may have to go up” and we vote for the party that makes vague promises about tax cuts and “cutting big government.”

The fuckers who want to live in a good neighborhood with great schools, safe streets, and excellent services, but bitch up a storm if their property taxes go up half a percentage point.

127 BeachDem  Nov 4, 2014 8:36:55pm

re: #51 palomino

Of course Perdue won. Georgia is almost as redneck as its deep south neighbors like Bama, SC, Tenn, etc.

I’ll repost my report on SC from the end of the last thread (because I’m bitter and pissed.)

And here in South Teabaggistan (too small for a republic, too big for an insane asylum), everybody’s favorites:

Joe “You Lie” Wilson, wins with 65% of the vote
Trey “Imma gonna have a real BENGHAZI hearing, y’all” wins with 85%
Mark “hiking the Appalachian Trail and ripping of the state to the tune of megabucks)…runs unopposed.

I give up. Nikki Fucking Haley, the most horrible governor imaginable, who leaves this state with one of the highest number of uninsured in the country and refuses to expand Medicaid, among her other charming attributes, wins by 17 points, and on it goes.

I don’t know if the people in this state are terminally stupid or they’re just so mesmerized by the R bullshit that they’ll vote against their self-interests every fucking time.

128 GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 4, 2014 8:38:40pm

re: #76 WhatEVs

Good. I am glad. I had to read those amendments several times to make sure they weren’t pulling a Frank Luntz on us.

Same.

So. Rauner is in. The moment he tries to push a social agenda, he will be run out of town. Durbin will make sure of that.

129 Kid A  Nov 4, 2014 8:39:16pm

re: #46 Aunty Entity Dragon

OMG the Texas race with Wendy Davis was a frakking blowout for the no name GOP guy. So much for purple Texas.

Satan could’ve run as a Republican and won. Oh, wait…

130 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 4, 2014 8:39:28pm

All I can say is that if absolute roadblocks work for the GOP…they will be used against them. The Dems cannot afford to not use parlimentary weapons if they work so well to change public opinion…but we all will suffer.

131 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 8:40:05pm

re: #126 Targetpractice

The fuckers who want to live in a good neighborhood with great schools, safe streets, and excellent services, but bitch up a storm if their property taxes go up half a percentage point.

Ladies and Gentlemen, your American “swing voter.” God I hate being down on people I really do but I am sick of Americans who want all the benefits of being a first world nation but resent when they have to pay for it. Yes, taxes can be a pain in the neck but don’t expect better schools, roads, etc if you bitch up a storm every time taxes come up.

132 RinaX  Nov 4, 2014 8:40:27pm

Meh, we continue to fail to turn out during midterms, and we keep getting our asses handed to us worse and worse each time. Even in 2012, Romney got 47-48% of the vote. And now that Republicans know that they can be as ugly as they want to as a party, and still come out ahead, there’s no going back. They just don’t stop. They shrugged off 2012 and started preparing for 2014, and we didn’t.

133 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 8:40:52pm

re: #130 Aunty Entity Dragon

All I can say is that if absolute roadblocks work for the GOP…they will be used against them. The Dems cannot afford to not use parlimentary weapons if they work so well to change public opinion…but we all will suffer.

It is I confess going to be a little fun to watch the tables turn. I actually find Reid a better minority leader than majority one.

134 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 4, 2014 8:40:54pm

Scott Walker still fucking Wisconsin with a giant rubber Koch…

135 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 4, 2014 8:41:37pm

Gotta love America. From the Exit Poll data I heard, the most important things were the economy and healthcare, followed by Foreign Policy.

So, they give the reins to the party whose policies and philosophy ran the economy into the ditch. The party that keeps trying to take affordable health insurance away from ten million newly insured. The party that kicked over the anthill that became ISIS.

Oh, and they apparently support legalized pot, legal abortion, and a path to legal status for undocumented immigants.

So, they give the reins to the party that opposes legal pot. The party that wants to make CONTRACEPTION illegal. The party that opposes legal status with every fiber of its being.

And these were the answers given by VOTERS, not the clowns who sat at home because Obama didn’t give them a pony.

Dafuq?

136 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 4, 2014 8:42:39pm

re: #135 Blind Frog Ebola White

Don’t forget that voter suppresion is real, and it counts.

137 Jenner7  Nov 4, 2014 8:42:55pm

re: #135 Blind Frog Ebola White

And these were the answers given by VOTERS, not the clowns who sat at home because Obama didn’t give them a pony.

This, a million times.

138 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 8:43:14pm

re: #135 Blind Frog Ebola White

Gotta love America. From the Exit Poll data I heard, the most important things were the economy and healthcare, followed by Foreign Policy.

So, they give the reins to the party whose policies and philosophy ran the economy into the ditch. The party that keeps trying to take affordable health insurance away from ten million newly insured. The party that kicked over the anthill that became ISIS.

Oh, and they apparently support legalized pot, legal abortion, and a path to legal status for undocumented immigants.

So, they give the reins to the party that opposes legal pot. The party that wants to make CONTRACEPTION illegal. The party that opposes legal status with every fiber of its being.

And these were the answers given by VOTERS, not the clowns who sat at home because Obama didn’t give them a pony.

Dafuq?

I honestly wouldn’t blame Obama if he were quoted as saying “What the fuck do I have to do to please you people?” Really, I don’t get voters. I really don’t. And the Democratic Party needs to stop lollygagging on the midterms.

139 Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2014 8:43:23pm

re: #132 RinaX

Meh, we continue to fail to turn out during midterms, and we keep getting our asses handed to us worse and worse each time. Even in 2012, Romney got 47-48% of the vote. And now that Republicans know that they can be as ugly as they want to as a party, and still come out ahead, there’s no going back. They just don’t stop. They shrugged off 2012 and started preparing for 2014, and we didn’t.

It’s hard as fuck to find a reason to come out when the people wanting us to reelect them/help them beat a Repub want nothing to do with the shit we put the President in office for. Grimes is a great example, where she couldn’t come out and say she voted for the man’s reelection and could not find it in herself to run on keeping the ACA. Meanwhile, McConnell’s bullshitting Kentuckians into believing that Obamacare will go by Kynect will stay somehow.

140 freetoken  Nov 4, 2014 8:44:20pm

I hope the Democratic party will realize it needs to turn over its younger candidates and not rely on institutionalism.

In Iowa, Harkin was re-elected because people knew him, even though he was one of the more liberal US Senators.

The Democratic party has all these old names hanging around in office but when they retire all of a sudden where are the well-known young Democrats?

We so desperately need someone to really work the bully pulpit. Sorry, but Obama is not it. He can give a good speech, but he seems to do so for only the ceremonial occasions (i.e., when someone dies.)

141 blueraven  Nov 4, 2014 8:44:27pm

re: #124 freetoken

Right now in Iowa:

Joni Ernst Republican Party 276,677 48.0%
Bruce Braley Democratic Party 276,624 48.0%

As I noted, more the wingnut western part of the state is coming in. This is Steve King territory, Je$u$-land and all that.

It has been called for Ernst already.

142 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 8:44:39pm

re: #139 Targetpractice

It’s hard as fuck to find a reason to come out when the people wanting us to reelect them/help them beat a Repub want nothing to do with the shit we put the President in office for. Grimes is a great example, where she couldn’t come out and say she voted for the man’s reelection and could not find it in herself to run on keeping the ACA. Meanwhile, McConnell’s bullshitting Kentuckians into believing that Obamacare will go by Kynect will stay somehow.

What she did was pure political cowardice. She didn’t have to totally distance herself from Obama especially with ACA being successful in Kentucky.

143 freetoken  Nov 4, 2014 8:45:14pm

re: #141 blueraven

It has been called for Ernst already.

Yeah, I know. I was trying to explain why.

144 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 8:46:44pm

This may be even worse than 2010 because in 2010 it seemed like we rejected a lot of the crazies that the R’s wanted to send to the Senate. Four years later let’s see we got Ernst, Perdue, Cotton, and many others.

145 EPR-radar  Nov 4, 2014 8:46:47pm

re: #139 Targetpractice

It’s hard as fuck to find a reason to come out when the people wanting us to reelect them/help them beat a Repub want nothing to do with the shit we put the President in office for. Grimes is a great example, where she couldn’t come out and say she voted for the man’s reelection and could not find it in herself to run on keeping the ACA. Meanwhile, McConnell’s bullshitting Kentuckians into believing that Obamacare will go by Kynect will stay somehow.

Sometimes you really do have to wonder if the fix is in —- the Democrats are so bad at going after the Republicans that not even the normally boundless scope of incompetence seems to suffice as the answer.

146 palomino  Nov 4, 2014 8:47:02pm

re: #129 Kid A

Satan could’ve run as a Republican and won. Oh, wait…

Too much of Texas is still Dixie and Bible Belt. It’s gonna be a decade or two, at least, before the demographic changes kick in and the state goes purple. Houston may have a lesbian Dem mayor, and most of Texas’s big cities may have House districts controlled by Dems. BUT that is all overcome at the state level due to the overwhelming evangelical white vote in rural Texas.

Bluntly put, a generation of old white people will have to die and be replaced by nonwhites, who are now a clear large majority of Texas’s under-18 population.

147 The War TARDIS  Nov 4, 2014 8:47:05pm

How am I to believe things will ever get better?

148 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 4, 2014 8:47:11pm

Map looks much better for Dems in 2016…but we have to get ppl out to vote…

No excuse for staying home in a midterm in any event.

149 ipsos  Nov 4, 2014 8:47:16pm

Watching Joni Ernst’s fake laugh on TV makes me want to put a plastic bread bag over my head and pull tight.

150 teleskiguy  Nov 4, 2014 8:47:53pm

Joni Ernst’s acceptance speech going on in the background.

Her cackle is going to give me nightmares.

151 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 4, 2014 8:48:02pm

re: #149 ipsos

Watching Joni Ernst’s fake laugh on TV makes me want to put a plastic bread bag over my head and pull tight.

I’m pouring a stiff single malt scotch.

152 Kid A  Nov 4, 2014 8:48:03pm

re: #149 ipsos

Watching Joni Ernst’s fake laugh on TV makes me want to put a plastic bread bag over my head and pull tight.

You beat me to it. Good god, it is so annoying.

153 freetoken  Nov 4, 2014 8:48:31pm

re: #147 The War TARDIS

How am I to believe things will ever get better?

Die off.

In other words, you’re going to out-live many of these throwbacks.

154 jaunte  Nov 4, 2014 8:48:39pm
155 Kid A  Nov 4, 2014 8:48:47pm

re: #147 The War TARDIS

It’s time for you to go to bed. Seriously, enough.

156 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 8:49:22pm

re: #148 Aunty Entity Dragon

Map looks much better for Dems in 2016…but we have to get ppl out to vote…

No excuse for staying home in a midterm in any event.

2016 will be better but I really as I said earlier hope the nominee is not Hillary. We need new blood for the party. A lot of the Republicans being elected tonight aren’t your establishment types.

157 Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2014 8:49:29pm

re: #154 jaunte

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Let the GOP Civil War commence. Whoever wins, we lose.

158 EPR-radar  Nov 4, 2014 8:49:52pm

re: #154 jaunte

There’s a war in which I’d happily run guns to both sides.

159 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 8:50:08pm

I just downed my cup of Fireball. Man wish I had some cider to neutralize the hotness a little.

160 piratedan  Nov 4, 2014 8:50:09pm

well good to see that cognitive dissonance is still what’s for breakfast here in America…. we like Democratic policies, we don’t like Democratic politicians and when those GOP lawmakers crap all over those referendums you just voted for, I’m sure that they’ll be a media campaign telling you how you should still blame the Dems for that too….

161 palomino  Nov 4, 2014 8:51:35pm

re: #154 jaunte

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Majority Leader isn’t the job Cruz wants. He’s running for prez, and becoming majority leader would be an impediment to that. Cruz is just stirring up teabag shit, and letting everyone know he is the most manly of all conservatives by positioning himself to the right of everyone, including McConnell.

162 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 8:51:36pm

re: #160 piratedan

well good to see that cognitive dissonance is still what’s for breakfast here in America…. we like Democratic policies, we don;t like Democratic politicians and when those GOP lawmakers crap all over those referendums you just voted for, I’m sure that they’ll be a media campaign telling you how you should still blame the Dems for that too….

That’s been the case for years now. Hell Dem policies were even popular when Reagan was There you go againing his way in to a landslide of epic proportions. I think the problem is that unfortunately liberal policy doesn’t lend itself well to the political soundbite. Your average voter doesn’t seem to get nuance.

163 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 4, 2014 8:52:08pm

Kay Hagan lost.

Damnit all to hell. I cannot believe that flaming asshole Tillis is going to the Senate. He is Jesse Helms redux.

164 qubit2020  Nov 4, 2014 8:52:10pm

Good night all. The sun will come out tomorrow…

165 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 4, 2014 8:52:37pm

re: #147 The War TARDIS

How am I to believe things will ever get better?

The Senate has been doing almost nothing for years hence the abysmal approval ratings. Some new blood is what America wants and I think they just did that. I welcome the change. Let’s see if the Senate can do finally sit down and do their job.

166 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 8:52:44pm

re: #161 palomino

Majority Leader isn’t the job Cruz wants. He’s running for prez, and becoming majority leader would be an impediment to that. Cruz is just stirring up teabag shit, and letting everyone know he is the most manly of all conservatives by positioning himself to the right of everyone, including McConnell.

He’s positioned himself to the right of Rand on many an issue. Pretty crazy that just four years ago Marco Rubio looked like the fringest of the fringe that could run in 2016 and here we are four years later and see now that he burned his bridges with them over not being a total dick on immgiration.

167 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 4, 2014 8:52:56pm

Suggestion to Dems.

Stop running multiple time losers like Crist and Coakley.

168 Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2014 8:53:06pm

re: #161 palomino

Majority Leader isn’t the job Cruz wants. He’s running for prez, and becoming majority leader would be an impediment to that. Cruz is just stirring up teabag shit, and letting everyone know he is the most manly of all conservatives by positioning himself to the right of everyone, including McConnell.

It’s a dick-measuring contest and he’s making it clear to McConnell now that he’s the biggest dick in the GOP. He won’t actually challenge him for leader, but he will make certain that no bill will go through the Senate that does not give the fanatics exactly what they want. Repealing just parts of the ACA? Fuck no, all or nothing!

169 piratedan  Nov 4, 2014 8:53:07pm

strangely enough, it looks like the entire Democratic Congressional delegation from Arizona has been re-elected (so far…) despite the boatload of money spent here.

170 Viscous Obama  Nov 4, 2014 8:54:29pm

re: #169 piratedan

strangely enough, it looks like the entire Democratic Congressional delegation from Arizona has been re-elected (so far…) despite the boatload of money spent here.

Shades of 2010, really. The crazy wave seems to stop at the Rockies

171 withak  Nov 4, 2014 8:54:34pm

I’m holding out to see if Stuart Mills (R-Fleet Farm) pulls it off or not.

172 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 8:55:04pm

re: #165 NJDhockeyfan

The Senate has been doing almost nothing for years hence the abysmal approval ratings. Some new blood is what America wants and I think they just did that. I welcome the change. Let’s see if the Senate can do finally sit down and do their job.

I’ll be blunt here. I don’t think voters know what the hell they want. Look at what they say where they stand on the issues. They’re for immigration reform, legal pot, easy access to contraception, and what did they do? They just handed the Senate to a party that opposes that. Sorry for sounding so cynical but I really think a lot of American voters just buy political soundbites and vote that way. And even more sad to say, I think that helped Obama win by a better amount in the first place because they bought this idea (and one I must add that he never pushed that hope and change would come over night) that change would come easily.

173 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 4, 2014 8:55:22pm

Oh…and another suggestion to Dems:

Running away from the President and real accomplishments that helped people does not help you with voters whoever they are.

174 EPR-radar  Nov 4, 2014 8:55:47pm

re: #165 NJDhockeyfan

The Senate has been doing almost nothing for years hence the abysmal approval ratings. Some new blood is what America wants and I think they just did that. I welcome the change. Let’s see if the Senate can do finally sit down and do their job.

That’s a fine joke. A Senate with extra tea-bagger craziness is hardly likely to do anything useful.

175 BeachDem  Nov 4, 2014 8:56:33pm

re: #138 HappyWarrior

I honestly wouldn’t blame Obama if he were quoted as saying “What the fuck do I have to do to please you people?” Really, I don’t get voters. I really don’t. And the Democratic Party needs to stop lollygagging on the midterms.

I wouldn’t blame him if he said, “Fuck all of you—I’m not going to be able to accomplish a single fucking thing in the next two years, so ladies and gents, allow me to introduce President Biden.”

176 Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 4, 2014 8:56:35pm

Excuse me but how the fuck did Rick Scott get re-elected? He’s practically worse than Brownback!

177 RinaX  Nov 4, 2014 8:56:48pm

re: #156 HappyWarrior

2016 will be better but I really as I said earlier hope the nominee is not Hillary. We need new blood for the party. A lot of the Republicans being elected tonight aren’t your establishment types.

For me, it’s not about “new blood”, per se, but I have seen no evidence that Hillary learned anything over the past six years, and I’m not confident that her campaign will be run any better this time around. But if she’s the nominee, I’ll support her.

178 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 8:57:00pm

re: #173 Aunty Entity Dragon

Oh…and another suggestion to Dems:

Running away from the President and real accomplishments that helped people does not help you with voters whoever they are.

Right. You gotta stand for something. I don’t know who I’m more upset with tonight. The voters who apparently don’t know what they want or the weasels that run away from the President the second he gets a little unpopular.*
* I will remind everyone here that POTUS is still more popular than Congress and his popularity while low isn’t at historical lows.

179 EdDantes  Nov 4, 2014 8:57:17pm

This is a great night for America.

180 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 4, 2014 8:57:24pm

re: #172 HappyWarrior

I’ll be blunt here. I don’t think voters know what the hell they want. Look at what they say where they stand on the issues. They’re for immigration reform, legal pot, easy access to contraception, and what did they do? They just handed the Senate to a party that opposes that. Sorry for sounding so cynical but I really think a lot of American voters just buy political soundbites and vote that way. And even more sad to say, I think that helped Obama win by a better amount in the first place because they bought this idea (and one I must add that he never pushed that hope and change would come over night) that change would come easily.

Anthopologists say that American voters tend to go with who they “like” and who seems personable over actual issues. This has been demonstrated in various studies. Now…anti gay animus or anti latino animus etc will still animate voters as well.

181 RinaX  Nov 4, 2014 8:57:43pm

re: #175 BeachDem

I wouldn’t blame him if he said, “Fuck all of you—I’m not going to be able to accomplish a single fucking thing in the next two years, so ladies and gents, allow me to introduce President Biden.”

But he won’t, because he’s a better person than most.

I’m tempted to tune out for the next two years, but I know I can’t.

182 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 4, 2014 8:57:45pm

re: #172 HappyWarrior

I’ll be blunt here. I don’t think voters know what the hell they want. Look at what they say where they stand on the issues. They’re for immigration reform, legal pot, easy access to contraception, and what did they do? They just handed the Senate to a party that opposes that. Sorry for sounding so cynical but I really think a lot of American voters just buy political soundbites and vote that way. And even more sad to say, I think that helped Obama win by a better amount in the first place because they bought this idea (and one I must add that he never pushed that hope and change would come over night) that change would come easily.

People can have different opinions. Just because they vote Dem or Rep doesn’t mean they have to vote straight down political lines on the issues. I don’t see anything weird about that.

183 Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2014 8:57:54pm

re: #165 NJDhockeyfan

The Senate has been doing almost nothing for years hence the abysmal approval ratings. Some new blood is what America wants and I think they just did that. I welcome the change. Let’s see if the Senate can do finally sit down and do their job.

If I thought for a second that McConnell could get the unruly children of the party to sit down and behave long enough to work out some sort of equitable deal with the President, I might welcome the change of pace or at least agree that it’s not as bad as it could have been. But Boehner has spent the last 4 years getting threatened with being unseated every time he tried to rock the boat, so what hope does Mitch have? It’s going to either full-blown craziness or gridlock. There’s no third option anymore.

184 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 8:57:55pm

re: #177 RinaX

For me, it’s not about “new blood”, per se, but I have seen no evidence that Hillary learned anything over the past six years, and I’m not confident that her campaign will be run any better this time around. But if she’s the nominee, I’ll support her.

Right and I hope she doesn’t run the same entitled campaign she ran six years ago. Part of the reason why I supported Richardson first and then Obama is I felt Hillary ran a campaign of entitlement. Maybe I was unfair, maybe I wasn’t but that is really how it came across to me.

185 EPR-radar  Nov 4, 2014 8:58:04pm

re: #172 HappyWarrior

I’ll be blunt here. I don’t think voters know what the hell they want. Look at what they say where they stand on the issues. They’re for immigration reform, legal pot, easy access to contraception, and what did they do? They just handed the Senate to a party that opposes that. Sorry for sounding so cynical but I really think a lot of American voters just buy political soundbites and vote that way. And even more sad to say, I think that helped Obama win by a better amount in the first place because they bought this idea (and one I must add that he never pushed that hope and change would come over night) that change would come easily.

In a race between a liar and a truth teller, a stupid and credulous electorate will go for the liar because he or she will say only what the voters want to hear.

186 palomino  Nov 4, 2014 8:58:35pm

re: #165 NJDhockeyfan

The Senate has been doing almost nothing for years hence the abysmal approval ratings. Some new blood is what America wants and I think they just did that. I welcome the change. Let’s see if the Senate can do finally sit down and do their job.

You’re delusional. And your analysis so vague and bland as to be useless. “America wants new blood?” That’s the kind of meaningless slogan we hear during every election; it’s something that ignorant people substitue for actual arguments and data. Especially in an election where barely a third of the country bothers to vote.

If 46 Republican senators were part of a group doing a shitty job, why will 54 Republican senators improve the group overall? Especially when this group is even more right wing than the previous group.

187 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 4, 2014 8:59:39pm

re: #174 EPR-radar

That’s a fine joke. A Senate with extra tea-bagger craziness is hardly likely to do anything useful.

We’ll see. They have 2 years to prove themselves.

188 EPR-radar  Nov 4, 2014 8:59:43pm

re: #179 EdDantes

This is a great night for America.

Like hell it is. The worst major party in the developed world won a significant midterm victory. Their only goal will be to make the US more stupid and evil than it presently is.

189 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Nov 4, 2014 8:59:52pm

about the only good news, nothing will change.

What an ugly damn night, and it really came down to, Democrats didn’t bother to vote. At least that’s what happened in GA, where over 150K fewer democrats turned out than in 2010

Not sure if Obama turned the Democrats off, but something made then not want to vote.

190 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 4, 2014 8:59:54pm

re: #183 Targetpractice

If I thought for a second that McConnell could get the unruly children of the party to sit down and behave long enough to work out some sort of equitable deal with the President, I might welcome the change of pace or at least agree that it’s not as bad as it could have been. But Boehner has spent the last 4 years getting threatened with being unseated every time he tried to rock the boat, so what hope does Mitch have? It’s going to either full-blown craziness or gridlock. There’s no third option anymore.

Pretty much. If McConnell could reign in the children…I wouldn’t mind as much…but that isn’t going to happen now.

191 Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 4, 2014 9:00:13pm

I hope everyone realizes what these elections results say to the GOP:

Their tactics are working. Americans agree with what they represent.

192 Interesting Times  Nov 4, 2014 9:00:20pm

re: #182 NJDhockeyfan

People can have different opinions. Just because they vote Dem or Rep doesn’t mean they have to vote straight down political lines on the issues. I don’t see anything weird about that.

Uhhh….you don’t see anything “weird” about saying you support a policy, and then voting for someone who opposes it? o_O

193 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 9:00:34pm

re: #182 NJDhockeyfan

People can have different opinions. Just because they vote Dem or Rep doesn’t mean they have to vote straight down political lines on the issues. I don’t see anything weird about that.

I am not talking about straight line voting. I am talking about people actually voting for a party that overwhelmingly rejects much. You don’t see why some people may be a little flustered by voters say overwhelmingly voting for minimum wage increases yet voting for candidates that oppose said increases. As I said, there’s so many people in this country who want all the benefits of living in a first world country- good schools for their kids, reliable roads to drive on, affordable health care for them and their families, but the second a politician brings up tax increases they freak the hell out. I’m sorry but that does bother me. It’s not straight down voting like you suggest. It’s not paying attention to what the candidates and parties actually do.

194 blueraven  Nov 4, 2014 9:00:38pm

Well, way to go Democrats.
Running away from the President and the Democratic Agenda and accomplishments.

Maybe we should have adopted austerity like Europe, huh?
Maybe we shouldn’t have fought like hell for healthcare reform for 40 fucking years only to finally win it.

For what? To run way like a bunch of cowards. Sorry, but they deserved to lose.

195 Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 4, 2014 9:00:41pm

I’d really love to see Brownback go down in flames.

196 RinaX  Nov 4, 2014 9:00:44pm

re: #184 HappyWarrior

Right and I hope she doesn’t run the same entitled campaign she ran six years ago. Part of the reason why I supported Richardson first and then Obama is I felt Hillary ran a campaign of entitlement. Maybe I was unfair, maybe I wasn’t but that is really how it came across to me.

Naw, I’m right there with you on that. And her media tour for her book just brought up the old feelings. But I’ll swallow all of that if I have to.

re: #176 Eclectic Cyborg

Excuse me but how the fuck did Rick Scott get re-elected? He’s practically worse than Brownback!

Florida, man.

197 jaunte  Nov 4, 2014 9:01:58pm
198 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 4, 2014 9:02:29pm

re: #185 EPR-radar

In a race between a liar and a truth teller, a stupid and credulous electorate will go for the liar because he or she will say only what the voters want to hear.

Isn’t that the definition of every politician?

199 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 9:03:21pm

re: #192 Interesting Times

Uhhh….you don’t see anything “weird” about saying you support a policy, and then voting for someone who opposes it? o_O

Thank you. I don’t expect people to agree with me on everything but goddamnit if 65% of you support said position on many an issue and then go around to vote for the party that opposes said issue then you’re being blind. And I’ll say it again but too many damn Americans want to live in the greatest country in the world but can’t handle the reality that we need taxes to live in a great country and it bugs me to no end that time and time again they get hoodwinked by right wing politicians who promise them greatness without having ot pay for it.

200 palomino  Nov 4, 2014 9:03:44pm

re: #187 NJDhockeyfan

We’ll see. They have 2 years to prove themselves.

You’re the guy constantly saying that all politicians are liars. But now suddenly you have hope that the new gop senate will be effective?

You’re not only full of shit, as is usually the case…you’re also completely inconsistent from one moment to the next. Go back to cutting and pasting; at least you’re competent at that.

201 Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2014 9:04:00pm

re: #187 NJDhockeyfan

We’ll see. They have 2 years to prove themselves.

They’ve had 4 years to show they can govern and that they can work with Democrats to reach some level of equability. They instead spent all 4 years playing chicken with the debt limit and costing us $24B with a government shutdown.

Speaking of which, both are coming due again next month. What do you figure the odds are that they’ll try to squeeze some last-second concessions out of Democrats on the threat that they’ll do worse come January?

202 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 9:04:21pm

re: #198 NJDhockeyfan

Isn’t that the definition of every politician?

It is most politicians but please do not play fucking dumb about this. Please. We’re talking about voters overwhelmingly say they support such and such issue but yet going around voting for candidates who oppose such and such issue. If you don’t see why many of us find that moronic, I can’t help you.

203 ipsos  Nov 4, 2014 9:04:56pm

NBC just called Kansas for Brownback. Good fucking luck with another 4 years of that, Kansas.

204 EPR-radar  Nov 4, 2014 9:05:09pm

re: #198 NJDhockeyfan

Isn’t that the definition of every politician?

The GOP really is taking it to new levels these days. E.g., Gardner in CO claiming to not be a personhood fanatic when he was a co-sponsor of a Federal personhood bill.

205 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 4, 2014 9:05:18pm

re: #186 palomino

You’re delusional. And your analysis so vague and bland as to be useless. “America wants new blood?” That’s the kind of meaningless slogan that ignorant people substitue for actual arguments and data. Especially in an election where barely a third of the country bothers to vote.

If 46 Republican senators were part of a group doing a shitty job, why will 54 Republican senators improve the group overall? Especially when this group is even more right wing than the previous group.

Calm down, it’s not the end of the world. I’m all for new blood in the Senate and I’m going to pass judgement and see what they can do. If you want to freak out about the new Senate by all means knock yourself out.

206 Areopagitica  Nov 4, 2014 9:05:46pm

Sam Brownback won…I thought Iowans were the dumbest about 20 minutes ago, now I’m wrong.

207 piratedan  Nov 4, 2014 9:05:50pm

Kansas re-elects Brownback… I guess he still must have left a few buildings standing and therefore is fit to serve another term…. holy fuck, that guy turned Kansas into Mississippi and still gets re-elected…. wtf is this country thinking.

208 EdDantes  Nov 4, 2014 9:05:58pm

re: #188 EPR-radar

Perhaps Obama should have campaigned more for his candidates. That would have affected the outcome, wouldn’t it?

209 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Nov 4, 2014 9:06:20pm

When voters don’t turn out, either from apathy, or depression, or voter suppression, It’s really hard to win.

I even broke my own cardinal rule and voted for Nunn and Carter, the first time I’ve ever not voted Libertarian.

Well, now we will see who gets the blame the next 2 years.

210 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 9:06:25pm

re: #201 Targetpractice

They’ve had 4 years to show they can govern and that they can work with Democrats to reach some level of equability. They instead spent all 4 years playing chicken with the debt limit and costing us $24B with a government shutdown.

Speaking of which, both are coming due again next month. What do you figure the odds are that they’ll try to squeeze some last-second concessions out of Democrats on the threat that they’ll do worse come January?

Right, they’ve had the House for the past four years. And what have we gotten? Uh let’s see. A government shutdown and several repeals attempts of something they know the Senate wouldn’t pass and the President will veto. Really tell me why they should earn my trust. I get why people are angry. Hell I am angry. I do not get that anger resulting in giving the party that is largely responsible for Congress being as popular as Zima a majority in the second house of Congress. I am not even saying vote Democratic but the Republicans really did nothing to deserve the majority in the Senate for tonight.

211 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 4, 2014 9:08:09pm

re: #192 Interesting Times

Uhhh….you don’t see anything “weird” about saying you support a policy, and then voting for someone who opposes it? o_O

Do you agree with every single policy the person you voted for supports? If you do than you are the first person I know of that found a perfect politician.

212 Kid A  Nov 4, 2014 9:08:10pm

Brownback. Wow. Dude destroys his state and gets reelected.

213 teleskiguy  Nov 4, 2014 9:08:19pm

re: #197 jaunte

We’ll vote for good things, just not good people.

Voters man, fucking voters.

Citizens of the United States, you wanted to ingest some snake oil? You’re gonna get more than a dollop in the next few years.

Ted Cruz would sell this door-to-door had he lived in the late 19th century.

214 Jenner7  Nov 4, 2014 9:09:39pm
215 freetoken  Nov 4, 2014 9:10:13pm

Speaking of Iowa, it looks like one of their two Democratic US Reps is going down for the count, too.

216 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 9:10:47pm

re: #211 NJDhockeyfan

Do you agree with every single policy the person you voted for supports? If you do than you are the first person I know of that found a perfect politician.

Again you are ignoring the question. We’re talking about voters who said that these were key issues to them yet they voted for the politicians that express the opposite opinion on said issue? Let me give you an example. Say you care about tax cuts. And you tell a pollster that’s one of your important issues. And then you went around and voted for a candidate who was expliclitly for tax increases. You don’t see the problem with that? Really, of course people don’t vote straight party line and I am not as angry as I come off. I am just dumbfounded because I don’t know what our fellow Americans actually want from our government.

217 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 9:11:31pm

re: #214 Jenner7

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Not the worst thing that could have happened tonight. I think Hogan will disappoint more hardcore R’s from outside Maryland than Marylanders. He’s going to be dealing with a very Democratic legislature.

218 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 9:12:06pm

re: #212 Kid A

Brownback. Wow. Dude destroys his state and gets reelected.

Someone needs to come up with a Blue Dog Dem equivalent for people who will vote Republican no matter what.

219 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 4, 2014 9:12:06pm

re: #200 palomino

You’re the guy constantly saying that all politicians are liars. But now suddenly you have hope that the new gop senate will be effective?

You’re not only full of shit, as is usually the case…you’re also completely inconsistent from one moment to the next. Go back to cutting and pasting; at least you’re competent at that.

Oh the drama! LOL

All politicians are liars. The current liars in the Senate aren’t doing jack shit. I’m up for seeing if the new liars can actually do the job we pay them for.

220 teleskiguy  Nov 4, 2014 9:13:08pm

It’s now north of 80,000 people in Colorado that voted for a third party threw their vote away.

221 palomino  Nov 4, 2014 9:13:38pm

re: #205 NJDhockeyfan

Calm down, it’s not the end of the world. I’m all for new blood in the Senate and I’m going to pass judgement and see what they can do. If you want to freak out about the new Senate by all means knock yourself out.

No, I’m not freaked out. We’ve all been expecting this. And Obama will keep the new tea party freaks from fulfilling their most reactionary and far right impulses. He’s thus far vetoed the fewest bills of any president in history (except for that guy—W.H. Harrison—who died after only 6 weeks in office because he caught pneumonia on Inauguration Day.) That number is likely to now go up.

I’m actually far more interested in telling dishonest trolls like you how full of shit you are.

222 teleskiguy  Nov 4, 2014 9:13:46pm
223 lostlakehiker  Nov 4, 2014 9:13:58pm

re: #93 Aunty Entity Dragon

A GOP win like we are looking at will almost guarantee an impeachment attempt on Benghazi…which will then be used to club Hillary over the head.

I said it before and I’ll say it again, and I’ll eat my hat if proved wrong—-there will be no impeachment.

Some random Republican may introduce a motion but it won’t even come to a vote of the full House, let alone a majority vote that sends it over to the Senate for a trial.

Simple reasons: first, it’s inane. Second, it would set a bad precedent. Third, there is no chance whatever that the Senate would vote to remove. Fourth: it’s politically suicidal.

Republicans won this election on a promise and they’re now on probation. They must deliver something better than the last two years, or go down in flames 24 months from now. It’s a tall order and there had better be some sober reflection before January. We’ll see.

224 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 4, 2014 9:14:50pm

re: #201 Targetpractice

They’ve had 4 years to show they can govern and that they can work with Democrats to reach some level of equability. They instead spent all 4 years playing chicken with the debt limit and costing us $24B with a government shutdown.

Speaking of which, both are coming due again next month. What do you figure the odds are that they’ll try to squeeze some last-second concessions out of Democrats on the threat that they’ll do worse come January?

Judging by what I’ve been seeing from the Democrats the past few month they will probably cave in to the GOP.

225 GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 4, 2014 9:15:02pm

re: #187 NJDhockeyfan

We’ll see. They have 2 years to prove themselves.

They already have. You’re crazy if you think they’ll suddenly use common sense and decency to govern.

226 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 4, 2014 9:15:02pm

Sullivan:

10.43 pm. Chuck Todd, running the math, says the Dems won’t have a shot at winning the House until 2022. So that’s a permanent veto an anything any Democratic president might ever want to do. How is our system so fixed and our country so polarized that this has come to pass?

Um…Governorships mean redistricting…and that means even if dems cast more votes for the House…they lose if the gerrymandering works right.

60% Dems voting in a state can result in only ONE out of TEN dem representatives getting elected if you spread the votes correctly.

So yes…dems will not have a shot at getting the house back until 2022.

227 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 4, 2014 9:15:51pm

re: #211 NJDhockeyfan

Do you agree with every single policy the person you voted for supports? If you do than you are the first person I know of that found a perfect politician.

Dude, they voted 60+ percent to INCREASE something that the guys they also voted for think is tantamount to Communism. They just elected people who would DO AWAY WITH something 60% of them just agree was too small.

The exit polls I heard said a majority of PEOPLE ACTUALLY VOTING support Marriage Equality, abortion legal in most cases, a path to legality for undocumented immigrants, and then they vote for the party that takes THE MOST EXTREME possible opposing position.

It’s like they don’t believe it when GOP politicians say EXACTLY what they will do if elected.

228 Jenner7  Nov 4, 2014 9:15:57pm

Hey, Republicans on MSNBC: HOW DO YOU NEGOTIATE WITH PEOPLE WHO DO NOT WANT TO NEGOTIATE WITH YOU??

Sweet Jesus! They NEVER wanted to work with Obama, they admitted it PUBLICLY!

Chuck Todd saying Obama has to find a way to work with Republicans. FUCKING GOD, what incompetent commentary.

229 palomino  Nov 4, 2014 9:17:45pm

re: #208 EdDantes

Perhaps Obama should have campaigned more for his candidates. That would have affected the outcome, wouldn’t it?

No, it didn’t in 2010.

We have a pattern emerging. Your party wins midterms because they’re low turnout elections with built-in advantages due to gerrymandering and an abundance of small red states.

The Dems win the big elections, when 30 million more people vote.

Enjoy what you’ve got while it lasts. And remember: old white people are dying off at a disproportionately high rate, and getting replaced by minorities. So what you’ve got won’t last for long.

230 freetoken  Nov 4, 2014 9:17:51pm

re: #223 lostlakehiker

Republicans won this election on a promise and they’re now on probation. They must deliver something better than the last two years, or go down in flames 24 months from now. It’s a tall order and there had better be some sober reflection before January. We’ll see.

I disagree with this part. (Though I think you’re right about impeachment.)

These elections are made on visceral grounds, not careful evaluations of 24 months of performance.

If American voters really cared about a legislator’s performance we’d seen a whole lot more of them not re-elected.

The GOP this year won on one agenda: BE AFRAID.

Ebola.
ISIS.
Muslims.
Illegals.
Gun snatching.

Bibles and guns - these are what Americans care about.

231 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 9:18:18pm

re: #228 Jenner7

Hey, Republicans on MSNBC: HOW DO YOU NEGOTIATE WITH PEOPLE WHO DO NOT WANT TO NEGOTIATE WITH YOU??

Sweet Jesus! They NEVER wanted to work with Obama, they admitted it PUBLICLY!

Chuck Todd saying Obama has to find a way to work with Republicans. FUCKING GOD, what incompetent commentary.

Mitch McConnell: My goal is to make Barack Obama a one term president. Put that on his epitaph. If Tom Daschle had said that about Bush and I might add after a far more divisive election than Obama ever won, he would have been fried but nope Mitch can basically admit that his sole goal is to make a Democratic president as weak as possible for re-election and he won’t get called out on it.

232 Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2014 9:18:55pm

re: #228 Jenner7

Hey, Republicans on MSNBC: HOW DO YOU NEGOTIATE WITH PEOPLE WHO DO NOT WANT TO NEGOTIATE WITH YOU??

Sweet Jesus! They NEVER wanted to work with Obama, they admitted it PUBLICLY!

Chuck Todd saying Obama has to find a way to work with Republicans. FUCKING GOD, what incompetent commentary.

Todd’s one of those dense fuckers who believes “negotiation” is when Republicans hold a gun to the economy’s head and says they’ll blow its brains out unless Democrats bow to its demands, and “compromise” is when they give into those demands, only for the Republicans to pull the trigger anyway.

233 palomino  Nov 4, 2014 9:19:28pm

re: #219 NJDhockeyfan

Oh the drama! LOL

All politicians are liars. The current liars in the Senate aren’t doing jack shit. I’m up for seeing if the new liars can actually do the job we pay them for.

Why do you think the new liars will do anything more? Especially when those new liars are members of the obstructing party. Jeez, you’re just plain dense.

234 Chrysicat  Nov 4, 2014 9:19:31pm

I think the message to take home from tonight is “this isn’t a center-right country; it’s fully conservative. And there’s a strong side of it that says it’s not one country, either, but 50 independent ones with a common foreign policy”.

235 BeachDem  Nov 4, 2014 9:19:33pm

re: #160 piratedan

well good to see that cognitive dissonance is still what’s for breakfast here in America…. we like Democratic policies, we don’t like Democratic politicians and when those GOP lawmakers crap all over those referendums you just voted for, I’m sure that they’ll be a media campaign telling you how you should still blame the Dems for that too….

But of course—because it’s not the media’s job to present factual information—just ask Chuck Fucking Todd.

(my vocabulary seems to go downhill as my alcohol consumption climbs. Funny that.)

236 jaunte  Nov 4, 2014 9:19:44pm

re: #230 freetoken

Gun snatching.

You see, government is totally incompetent!

237 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 4, 2014 9:20:52pm

re: #223 lostlakehiker

I said it before and I’ll say it again, and I’ll eat my hat if proved wrong—-there will be no impeachment.

Simple reasons: first, it’s inane.

You do remember the government shutdown?

Second, it would set a bad precedent.

Like the last one on Clinton?

Third, there is no chance whatever that the Senate would vote to remove.

Didn’t stop the last time…

Fourth: it’s politically suicidal.

Not when you can use it to beat Hillary over the head for months.

Also, too…we see that the American polity doesn’t give a shit about GOP antics anymore and just looks at Congress as one big dysfunctional monolith without casting blame at any party that actually acts out.

Republicans won this election on a promise

Whaaaa…?

Are you high? I want some of whatever the fuck you are huffing over there.

238 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 4, 2014 9:21:16pm

re: #216 HappyWarrior

Again you are ignoring the question. We’re talking about voters who said that these were key issues to them yet they voted for the politicians that express the opposite opinion on said issue? Let me give you an example. Say you care about tax cuts. And you tell a pollster that’s one of your important issues. And then you went around and voted for a candidate who was expliclitly for tax increases. You don’t see the problem with that? Really, of course people don’t vote straight party line and I am not as angry as I come off. I am just dumbfounded because I don’t know what our fellow Americans actually want from our government.

I’m going to guess many Democrats decided they were going to sit this one out, many more Republicans did show up, but what pushed the votes over the edge were unhappy Independents.

239 bratwurst  Nov 4, 2014 9:21:21pm

re: #179 EdDantes

This is a great night for America.

I am actually willing to accept a certain amount of gloating from the conservatives who hang out here and contribute something. For asshole trolls who have already flounced but pop in on election night after months away? Go fuck yourself.

240 Jenner7  Nov 4, 2014 9:21:30pm

Ted Cruz vomiting on Fox News…

I may need to drink more.

241 lostlakehiker  Nov 4, 2014 9:22:00pm

re: #226 Aunty Entity Dragon

How true. But Democrats have contributed to their own difficulties in this regard by insisting on rock-solid minority districts, or at any rate, not firmly opposing them. Republicans are much too willing to accede to this and comply with room to spare. As much as possible.

Cynics on both sides of the aisle are all too happy with a state of affairs where the odds of being forcibly retired from the US House by the voters sit in single digit territory once the new winner takes office.

242 BeachDem  Nov 4, 2014 9:22:04pm

re: #164 qubit2020

Good night all. The sun will come out tomorrow…

But if it comes out the day after, the Republicans will see what they can do to stop it—or make sure that poor people can’t enjoy it, or add a sales tax to it, or something equally heinous.

243 jaunte  Nov 4, 2014 9:23:02pm

I don’t see any Republicans promising to cut unemployment in half.

244 OhNoZombies!  Nov 4, 2014 9:23:14pm

The problem with this new batch of RWNJ’s is that I don’t think they’re lying about their agenda, and that’s what scares me.

245 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 4, 2014 9:23:18pm

re: #238 NJDhockeyfan

I’m going to guess many Democrats decided they were going to sit this one out, many more Republicans did show up, but what pushed the votes over the edge were unhappy Independents.

What you keep ignoring is that we’re not talking about what polls say the GENERAL POPULATION want. We’re talking about what the EXIT POLLS say the PEOPLE WHO VOTED TODAY want. They elected the party that opposes everything they said was important to them.

246 ipsos  Nov 4, 2014 9:24:22pm

Chris Matthews and I are both stinking drunk.

Chris Matthews and I both think we know more about politics than I do.

Chris Matthews and I are both probably talking too loud right now and annoying the people sitting near us.

How come he gets to do all that on TV and all I get is a sofa?

247 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 4, 2014 9:24:54pm

I’m out. Tired and I have to deal with academic shit at some point in the morning.

248 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 9:24:55pm

re: #238 NJDhockeyfan

I’m going to guess many Democrats decided they were going to sit this one out, many more Republicans did show up, but what pushed the votes over the edge were unhappy Independents.

Thanks again for ignoring the question. I am not talking about party. I’m talking about people who say they consider an issue important to them and yet go on and vote for a party whose position on said issue is opposite to that. I agree that Dems sitting out played a role but you are continuing to ignore my principle question about voters saying they consider something to be an issue of importance to them and going around and supporting candidates/party that opposes it. I’ll make it even more louder. I would be genuinely flustered if people said that stopping same sex marriage was an issue important ot them and then voted Democrat.

249 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Nov 4, 2014 9:24:57pm

Countdown to the assault on Griswold v Connecticut… Why stop with Abortion, when you can control birth control too?

250 piratedan  Nov 4, 2014 9:25:44pm

re: #241 lostlakehiker

maybe where you come from, in Arizona, the GOP tried to dismantle and then sue the independent congressional redistricting commission that was mandated on a public referendum. In GOP controlled Texas and North Carolina, they were so bleeping egregious, the supreme court had to smack them down for their gerrymandering. Feel free to suck on the teat of the Magical Balance Fairy if you want to, but I think that sauce will give you a hangover.

251 EdDantes  Nov 4, 2014 9:25:52pm

re: #229 palomino

Enjoy what you’ve got while it lasts. And remember: old white people are dying off at a disproportionately high rate, and getting replaced by minorities. So what you’ve got won’t last for long.

Rather racist statement, but I respect your opinion.

252 Kid A  Nov 4, 2014 9:26:00pm

Gardner is a total schmuck.

253 teleskiguy  Nov 4, 2014 9:26:06pm

Gee, I’m sure glad I have LGF to go to now that my lovely state of Colorado went from blue state to red(neck) state tonight. It’s comforting to know I can come here over then next few years if I’m ever losing my sanity when I think about politics and policy.

It’s great, really. There are folks commenting on here from South Carolina, Texas, Tennessee, Georgia, they have been dealing with right wing bullshit in perpetuity it seems. And y’all seem to take it in stride. Keep on fighting the good fight.

254 palomino  Nov 4, 2014 9:26:20pm

re: #223 lostlakehiker

Plus Obama hasn’t gotten an extramarital blowjob. So the GOP doesn’t really have the “good reasons” for impeachment that they had back in 1998.

I agree they probably won’t impeach. I think even most of the dumbest teabaggers know it’s not the smart move. On the other hand, there are still plenty of gop politicians who DON’T think it’s political suicide, because for them (in their deep red state or district), it’s not self-injurious at all. Pols like Gohmert and Cruz aren’t gonna get voted out if they do support impeachment. And there’s also the fact that the gop won the next presidential election after the Clinton impeachment. So it wasn’t as big a self-inflicted wound as it should have been.

255 Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2014 9:26:20pm

I’ll say that I don’t see impeachment as a foregone conclusion. I see it instead as something that the leadership thinks they can keep in their back pocket. They want it to be the bomb that they never had to use, because once they actually put Articles on the table, they can’t back down. So instead they’ll hint at it, they’ll try to use it as leverage, but never will they come out and say that they’ll do it unless they see there being some major advantage to be gained from actually going through with it.

256 Kid A  Nov 4, 2014 9:27:07pm

re: #253 teleskiguy

I just drink more wine to deal with it.

257 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 9:27:31pm

re: #245 Blind Frog Ebola White

What you keep ignoring is that we’re not talking about what polls say the GENERAL POPULATION want. We’re talking about what the EXIT POLLS say the PEOPLE WHO VOTED TODAY want. They elected the party that opposes everything they said was important to them.

Thanks. appreciate it. I am not trying to be a jerk ehre NJ but I really mean it. I am sincerely dumbfounded to what our fellow Americans actually want out of government. If you don’t want abortion easily available, immigration reform, SSM, etc fine. I strongly disagree with that but that’s your right but don’t tell me you consider that an issue to you and then go around and vote for the party that has not merely the opposing position on that but is filled with people that strongly have the opposing position on that. Can someone name me one Republican elected to Congress today who was pro-choice?

258 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 4, 2014 9:27:41pm

re: #245 Blind Frog Ebola White

What you keep ignoring is that we’re not talking about what polls say the GENERAL POPULATION want. We’re talking about what the EXIT POLLS say the PEOPLE WHO VOTED TODAY want. They elected the party that opposes everything they said was important to them.

What you are describing then are Democrats that voted for the other side. Any idea why?

259 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 9:29:18pm

re: #258 NJDhockeyfan

What you are describing then are Democrats that voted for the other side. Any idea why?

No one is describing them as Democrats. No one. We’re talking about voters hell some may even call themselves Republicans who say to pollsters “I consider A to be an important issue and then voting for Candidate Joe Schmo who has the total opposite opinion and approach on A. That’s what people are talking about people. Please, I’m trying to be reasonable with you here but I really think you’re twisting what is being said.

260 palomino  Nov 4, 2014 9:30:07pm

re: #224 NJDhockeyfan

Judging by what I’ve been seeing from the Democrats the past few month they will probably cave in to the GOP.

More analysis based on nothing. The Dems didn’t cave last time, and it was one of their most successful maneuvers. Why would they cave this time? Now that they’re in the minority, they can afford to be obstructionist assholes, just like the gop of the last 6 years.

261 Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2014 9:31:44pm

Have to admit, I don’t think the obstructionism will last very long either. Democrats as a party have a hard time keeping their eyes off the polls, which means they’re just as likely to decide that something that’s “popular,” such as Keystone XL, will be worth breaking a filibuster if it means they can in some way take credit for “creating jobs.”

262 TedStriker  Nov 4, 2014 9:31:50pm

re: #251 EdDantes

Enjoy what you’ve got while it lasts. And remember: old white people are dying off at a disproportionately high rate, and getting replaced by minorities. So what you’ve got won’t last for long.

Rather racist statement, but I respect your opinion.

America’s changing demographics is “racist”?

WTFever, dude…

263 EdDantes  Nov 4, 2014 9:34:11pm

re: #262 TedStriker

Nice try dude…

264 Kragar  Nov 4, 2014 9:34:51pm
265 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 4, 2014 9:34:56pm

re: #258 NJDhockeyfan

What you are describing then are Democrats that voted for the other side. Any idea why?

I’m sorry, but how does that even make any sense at all?

What I’m describing are VOTERS, who were asked by pollsters what they thought was important, and their position on those issues.

266 palomino  Nov 4, 2014 9:35:02pm

re: #251 EdDantes

Enjoy what you’ve got while it lasts. And remember: old white people are dying off at a disproportionately high rate, and getting replaced by minorities. So what you’ve got won’t last for long.

Rather racist statement, but I respect your opinion.

What’s racist about it? It’s a statement of fact based on the science of demographics.

In 1980, only 10% of all voters were nonwhite. In 2008, 25% of all voters were nonwhite. It’s not racist to make the observation that a black president in 1980 wasn’t plausible, but demographic changes tipped the scale by 28 years later. Over time, more such scales will be tipped by demographic changes. And taking note of that isn’t racist in the least.

267 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 4, 2014 9:35:11pm

re: #262 TedStriker

America’s changing demographics is “racist”?

WTFever, dude…

I’m sure he sees it that way.

268 lostlakehiker  Nov 4, 2014 9:35:52pm

re: #230 freetoken

I disagree with this part. (Though I think you’re right about impeachment.)

These elections are made on visceral grounds, not careful evaluations of 24 months of performance.

If American voters really cared about a legislator’s performance we’d seen a whole lot more of them not re-elected.

The GOP this year won on one agenda: BE AFRAID.

Ebola.
ISIS.
Muslims.
Illegals.
Gun snatching.

Bibles and guns - these are what Americans care about.

Palomino made a good point in the previous post. Republicans will face a headwind in 2016 instead of their 2014 tailwind. Campaigning on fear won’t get them very far. Voters will be wondering what good it does to elect a Republican, and unless there’s something concrete with which to answer, the demographics will decide the issue and the Democrats will win.

As to ISIS, it should be clear by now that the current air campaign is not going to stop ISIS. We either bring more muscle to the fight or we lose it. Now it would be nice if allies stepped up with the extra muscle, but so far, what we’ve seen is that we arm and equip “Free Syrian Army” forces, and they fold and hand over the new stash to ISIS or Al Nusra or whoever within days of having got it. The trend is not our friend.

As to illegals, well, they certainly don’t pose any political threat to Democrats. Republicans are threatened by wide open immigration because in the long term it means a much higher Hispanic population, and so far at least, that’s been good for Democrats. But what Republicans don’t seem to get is that at this point, that ship has pretty much sailed. The current Hispanic population, whose children will be citizens whether they themselves are here legally or not, suffices to move the country to where Texas is now, with the next generation plurality Hispanic.

Si los Republicanos no pueden ganar las votas de los ciudadanos que hablan espanol, ellos nunca mas ganaran cualquier eleciones.

Pardon my Spanish, I’m kind of a beginner at it. But you get the drift. Republicans will have to earn a bunch of Hispanic votes or become a party that wins occasional by-elections in West Virginia but no longer has a seat at the big table. Immigration reform would be a place to start.

269 ipsos  Nov 4, 2014 9:36:20pm

Things that are keeping me hopeful tonight (other than a stiff glass of very good bourbon):

- If there’s anyone in the Senate who understands how to obstruct with a slight minority, it’s Harry Reid.

- If there’s anyone in the Senate who promises to be ineffectual at keeping Tea Party firebrands like Ernst and Tillis in line, it’s Mitch McConnell.

- The power of the veto remains in the Constitution.

- With only 52 or 53 seats (or is it 51 if Begich and Landrieu hold?), the GOP faces a massive uphill battle to hold its control of the Senate in two years. It could indeed have been worse tonight.

270 TedStriker  Nov 4, 2014 9:36:50pm

re: #263 EdDantes

Nice try dude…

Enjoy your little conservative power trip.

While.

You.

Can.

271 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 4, 2014 9:38:05pm

re: #259 HappyWarrior

No one is describing them as Democrats. No one. We’re talking about voters hell some may even call themselves Republicans who say to pollsters “I consider A to be an important issue and then voting for Candidate Joe Schmo who has the total opposite opinion and approach on A. That’s what people are talking about people. Please, I’m trying to be reasonable with you here but I really think you’re twisting what is being said.

Well I can’t get onto those peoples heads. They voted for Joe Blow last time and are disappointed so they decided to get rid of him and voted for Joe Schmo this time.

272 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 9:38:13pm

Well in 2016, the senate Republicans that rode in on the TP wave will be up. And I hope opps research is doing their homework hard on these people.

273 teleskiguy  Nov 4, 2014 9:39:49pm
274 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 4, 2014 9:40:07pm

re: #251 EdDantes

Nice DARVO. < golf clap >

275 Viscous Obama  Nov 4, 2014 9:40:18pm

Ahahaa

Link

276 jaunte  Nov 4, 2014 9:40:19pm
277 Jenner7  Nov 4, 2014 9:40:36pm

Did Chris Matthews have a stroke??

He just said Obama should sell the immigration bill.

278 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 9:41:25pm

re: #271 NJDhockeyfan

Well I can’t get onto those peoples heads. They voted for Joe Blow last time and are disappointed so they decided to get rid of him and voted for Joe Schmo this time.

I can’t either but I will continue to be frustrated by voters who tell pollsters they want one thing and go around and do the opposite. People like that really bother me and are honestly responsible for a lot of the gridlock we have.

279 Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2014 9:41:36pm

re: #277 Jenner7

Did Chris Matthews have a stroke??

He just said Obama should sell the immigration bill.

As what, bird catch matting? Because if he thinks a GOP Senate majority is going to take up immigration reform in any fashion besides “BUILD THE WALL!,” then he’s in for a shock.

280 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 9:42:00pm

re: #276 jaunte

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There is that but I still would rather have the Senate as a bulwark against the madness that is Boehner’s clown caucus.

281 piratedan  Nov 4, 2014 9:42:26pm

re: #277 Jenner7

Chris still thinks that the President needs to be more magnanimous and have a beer with the guys who would like to eradicate his name from the history books

Hayes is the only guy with a clue, he thinks that the GOP will simply keep on doing what they’ve been doing, after all, it’s worked so far, why stop now. As if the GOP is suddenly going to behave now that they have control of both houses as Matthews appears to believe. I’m sorry that Matthews is so delusional, as if everything that has happened in the fever dream of GOP control of the House the last four years never happened as if it’s some Dallas episode….

282 EdDantes  Nov 4, 2014 9:42:30pm

re: #266 palomino

What’s racist about it? It’s a statement of fact based on the science of demographics.

In 1980, only 10% of all voters were nonwhite. In 2008, 25% of all voters were nonwhite. It’s not racist to make the observation that a black president in 1980 wasn’t plausible, but demographic changes tipped the scale by 28 years later. Over time, more such scales will be tipped by demographic changes. And taking note of that isn’t racist in the least.

I never mentioned race. To me it is a non factor. You introduced the subject.

283 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 9:42:32pm

re: #279 Targetpractice

As what, bird catch matting? Because if he thinks a GOP Senate majority is going to take up immigration reform in any fashion besides “BUILD THE WALL!,” then he’s in for a shock.

No one said he was smart. He just lives in his fantasy world where Tip O’Neill and the Gipper got things done over whiskey shots.

284 Jenner7  Nov 4, 2014 9:43:21pm

re: #279 Targetpractice

I can hear Rachel and Chris Hayes screaming from inside at the ridiculousness of Matthews, Schmidt, and Michael.

285 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 4, 2014 9:43:35pm

re: #277 Jenner7

Did Chris Matthews have a stroke??

He just said Obama should sell the immigration bill.

His leg must have stopped tingling.

286 Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2014 9:44:22pm

re: #283 HappyWarrior

No one said he was smart. He just lives in his fantasy world where Tip O’Neill and the Gipper got things done over whiskey shots.

I’m pretty sure most of the media nuts grew up believing that myth and now keep striving to revive it, meanwhile the new generation of Republicans grew up believing that everything wrong with modern America is in part due to Reagan “giving in” to O’Neill and have vowed to not make the same mistake.

287 Jenner7  Nov 4, 2014 9:44:37pm

re: #285 NJDhockeyfan

Matthews changes his opinions more than Crist changes his party.

288 teleskiguy  Nov 4, 2014 9:45:44pm

Elections matter, folks.

Think of the committee chairs. All the science committees in congress are going to be chaired by folks that take a literal interpretation of the bible as to our origins.

289 Viscous Obama  Nov 4, 2014 9:46:10pm

Sen. Ted Cruz: The Era of Obama Lawlessness is Over!

290 teleskiguy  Nov 4, 2014 9:46:38pm
291 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 9:47:24pm

re: #290 teleskiguy

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Too bad they haven’t acted like the party of Abraham Lincoln for a very long time.

292 teleskiguy  Nov 4, 2014 9:47:50pm

re: #289 Viscous Obama

Sen. Ted Cruz: The Era of Obama Lawlessness is Over!

I clicked on this and saw Ted Cruz yell out “God Bless Texas!”

No. I closed it right there and then.

293 palomino  Nov 4, 2014 9:48:05pm

re: #282 EdDantes

I never mentioned race. To me it is a non factor. You introduced the subject.

Huh? You said my statements were racist, so you clearly did mention race. If you’re gonna call a statement racist, at least have the balls to back it up and explain why.

By your “logic”, anytime that race is discussed the person who brought it up must be a racist. It’s the “he who dealt it” brand of 3rd-grade reasoning.

294 bratwurst  Nov 4, 2014 9:48:18pm

Don’t forget to turn your clocks back 60 years before you go to bed tonight!

295 dog philosopher  Nov 4, 2014 9:48:52pm

so, does it look like it might be worse than my prediction of 52 for the republics in the senate and a gain of ten for them in the house?

296 jaunte  Nov 4, 2014 9:48:57pm

re: #292 teleskiguy

Ted Cruz is the Bull Goose Phony of the Senate.

297 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 9:49:07pm

re: #288 teleskiguy

Elections matter, folks.

Think of the committee chairs. All the science committees in congress are going to be chaired by folks that take a literal interpretation of the bible as to our origins.

If I have one take away from working in local politics in 2011, it’s the importance of local elections. Those are where the sane and batty are born. IT can be a place to start someone legitimately special or it can be the birth place of a fringe nut that rides that nuttery all the way to the WH heaven forbid.

298 BeachDem  Nov 4, 2014 9:49:36pm

re: #238 NJDhockeyfan

I’m going to guess many Democrats decided they were going to sit this one out, many more Republicans did show up, but what pushed the votes over the edge were unhappy Independents.

What exactly were these so-called independents unhappy about? The debt going down? Unemployment going down? The stock market going up? More people having healthcare coverage?

Who are these mythical beings, these independents, and what is it that they want?

299 teleskiguy  Nov 4, 2014 9:49:54pm
300 Viscous Obama  Nov 4, 2014 9:50:00pm

Good job, Coakley

301 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 4, 2014 9:51:12pm

Looks like Warner is going to squeeze this one out. Who expected this one to be so close?

302 Viscous Obama  Nov 4, 2014 9:51:13pm

And I MEAN FUCK FUCK FUCK HOW IN THE FUCK

303 Kragar  Nov 4, 2014 9:51:36pm
304 palomino  Nov 4, 2014 9:53:00pm

Anyone who thinks race is a non-factor in elections hasn’t been paying attention to the last 5 decades of American history.

Race, along with other factors, is highly predictive of voting patterns. And the racial makeup of urban America, as opposed to rural America, largely explains the kind of leaders you see in big cities (liberals like de Blasio in NYC, even a liberal lesbian in Houston) compared with small towns.

305 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 9:53:05pm

re: #301 NJDhockeyfan

Looks like Warner is going to squeeze this one out. Who expected this one to be so close?

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That’s a huge fucking relief. And if you look up Gillespie’s record, you’ll see why I came off a little angry. The guy is everything I hate about right wing politics. The corporate cronyism, the pandering to anti-gay bigots, and the genuine phoniness.

306 Kragar  Nov 4, 2014 9:53:12pm

re: #294 bratwurst

Don’t forget to turn your clocks back 60 years before you go to bed tonight!

You realize I have to steal that, right?

307 Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2014 9:53:25pm

re: #301 NJDhockeyfan

Looks like Warner is going to squeeze this one out. Who expected this one to be so close?

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To borrow from Charlie Pierce:

If Warner does collapse over the finish line, whoever in the Republican National Committee made the call to defund Gillespie’s campaign is going to be thrown out a window and fired before he hits the sidewalk. Meanwhile, whoever it was that advised Warner to rip the president on his handling of the Ebola issue should be joining that guy in midair.

308 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 4, 2014 9:53:40pm

re: #299 teleskiguy

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Uh, is he saying the GOP is just like the Nazis?

309 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 9:54:27pm

re: #304 palomino

Anyone who thinks race is a non-factor in elections hasn’t been paying attention to the last 5 decades of American history.

Race, along with other factors, is highly predictive of voting patterns. And the racial makeup of urban America, as opposed to rural America, largely explains the kind of leaders you see in big cities (liberals like de Blasio in NYC, even a liberal lesbian in Houston) compared with small towns.

Race honestly is the elephant in the room that not many want to talk about because they’re afraid of being called racist. A lot of this goes back to the Civil Rights Era and the backlash. It’s how Nixon went from being someone who was a progressive on the issue went groveling to Strom Thurmond for support to neutralize George C. Wallace.

310 freetoken  Nov 4, 2014 9:55:18pm

I think we need a reality check here.

We, here at this blog, are self selected (except when Stinky has to do the de-selecting).

We tend to be older, or more educated (if not formally, at least self-educated by reading), and quite a bit more culturally aware, than many of our fellow Americans.

I’m not trying to pat us on the collective back as some sort of exercise in vanity. It’s just the way these self-defined groups form.

We don’t represent the masses of the American electorate.

It’s also not just my intransigent snobbishness writing this.

Election after election, not just in the US, show that people are manipulated through the techniques of mass advertisement.

Some things sell better than others.

It’s why cereal boxes aimed at children have brighter colors than those intended for adults.

Some things just work.

The GOP has a winning strategy, in appealing to visceral topics such as fear, racism, bigotry, etc. The GOP didn’t invent this. Even the Democratic party has used these techniques, but at least in my adult lifetime the rise of the Democratic intellectual (e.g., Obama) has meant somewhat more high-brow campaigning and less blue-collar fear mongering.

Bibles and guns - these are what Americans care about. (Marijuana appears a distant third.)

Not climate change. Not esoteric banking regulations. Certainly not elaborate explanations of economics.

Guns and Bibles.

311 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 4, 2014 9:56:01pm

Incumbent Todd Young (R-Indiana 9) trounced Bill Bailey, but across the river in Louisville, incumbent John Yarmuth (D-Kentucky 3) retained his seat in the House. So this election really didn’t change much for my former stomping grounds.

And Mitch was re-elected, again, even though people in Ky don’t really like him. Same old shit.

At least the GOP did not gain an overwhelming majority in the Senate. They’ll still trumpet about a “mandate” from the people, though.

312 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 9:56:59pm

re: #307 Targetpractice

To borrow from Charlie Pierce:

I still say Obenshain the R who lost for AG is kicking himself for not running but then again, I doubt he has RNC Eddie’s pals and connections. I am amazed that this was as close as it was. I hope Warner’s learned some things that even if you kick Jim Gilmore’s ass in 2008 in an epic landslide that it’s no guarantee you’ll be safe six years later. Never thought that Franken would be declared a victory (or even at all) before Warner on re-election night in a million years.

313 teleskiguy  Nov 4, 2014 9:58:34pm
314 Viscous Obama  Nov 4, 2014 9:58:41pm

How does PA vote out Corbett but vote more Republicans into the state house.

Kentucky kept a Democratic majority in their house, possibly complicating a Rand Paul run.

315 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 9:59:05pm

re: #311 wheat-dogghazi-bola

Incumbent Todd Young (R-Indiana 9) trounced Bill Bailey, but across the river in Louisville, incumbent John Yarmuth (D-Kentucky 3) retained his seat in the House. So this election really didn’t change much for my former stomping grounds.

And Mitch was re-elected, again, even though people in Ky don’t really like him. Same old shit.

At least the GOP did not gain an overwhelming majority in the Senate. They’ll still trumpet about a “mandate” from the people, though.

They triumphed Bush winning by one state in 2004 as a mandate from the people but yet acted like Obama’s victory in 2008 was by the slimest of margins. They’re going to act like this is a mandate and my hope is that like Bush in 2005 and beyond that will be their undoing but I hope that the economy does not go downward because of that. Unfortunately, we replaced a lot of reasonable minded Dems with Republican ideologues in the Senate tonight.

316 Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2014 9:59:38pm

re: #311 wheat-dogghazi-bola

Incumbent Todd Young (R-Indiana 9) trounced Bill Bailey, but across the river in Louisville, incumbent John Yarmuth (D-Kentucky 3) retained his seat in the House. So this election really didn’t change much for my former stomping grounds.

And Mitch was re-elected, again, even though people in Ky don’t really like him. Same old shit.

At least the GOP did not gain an overwhelming majority in the Senate. They’ll still trumpet about a “mandate” from the people, though.

“He may be a bastard, but he’s our bastard!” is the phrase of the day. People bitch all the time that Congress gets nothing done and then go out and reelect 90%+ of the fuckers because it’s never their fault, it’s everybody else’s representative that’s the problem.

317 palomino  Nov 4, 2014 10:00:33pm

re: #308 NJDhockeyfan

Uh, is he saying the GOP is just like the Nazis?

Yeah, he’s saying they’re EXACTLY like Nazis. No difference whatsoever.//////

Seriously, do you have no sense of irony? After 6 years of hearing tea partiers compare Obama to Hitler, you find this random tweet upsetting?

318 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 4, 2014 10:00:45pm
319 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 4, 2014 10:01:28pm

re: #315 HappyWarrior

They triumphed Bush winning by one state in 2004 as a mandate from the people but yet acted like Obama’s victory in 2008 was by the slimest of margins. They’re going to act like this is a mandate and my hope is that like Bush in 2005 and beyond that will be their undoing but I hope that the economy does not go downward because of that. Unfortunately, we replaced a lot of reasonable minded Dems with Republican ideologues in the Senate tonight.

It’s the crazy ideologues that scare me most of all. They’re completely immune to common sense and science, including basic economics, so the bill proposals coming out of Congress is going to be batshit crazy for the near future.

320 teleskiguy  Nov 4, 2014 10:03:49pm

Couldn’t agree more.

Colorado passed Amendment 64 (our cannabis legalization law) in 2012 with a vote of 55% yea and 45% nay.

321 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 10:04:44pm

re: #319 wheat-dogghazi-bola

It’s the crazy ideologues that scare me most of all. They’re completely immune to common sense and science, including basic economics, so the bill proposals coming out of Congress is going to be batshit crazy for the near future.

We elected more of them tonight. Jody Hice won in a landslide. Louie Gohmert and Steve King will be on your TV again tomorrow. The only real nut we lost today was Bachmann who would have won if she ran again I am sure of it. What troubles me is Congress is becoming filled with these types. They don’t understand government. They really don’t have any actual ideas for the betterment of the country but they know they hate liberals and liberalism and that’s more than enough for many in their districts.

322 Kragar  Nov 4, 2014 10:05:07pm
323 De Kolta Chair  Nov 4, 2014 10:05:14pm


“Party of me, party of me, blah blah blah”

324 Kragar  Nov 4, 2014 10:05:36pm
325 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 10:06:36pm

re: #323 De Kolta Chair

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“Party of me, party of me, blah blah blah”

I like how they like to point out that they’re part of the party that had the president that ended slavery (they ignore the many anti-slavery and pro Union Democrats that did exist by the way) but humor me, they do that yet CSA flags remain popular than ever among much of the conservative base especially in the deep south.

326 palomino  Nov 4, 2014 10:07:10pm

re: #315 HappyWarrior

They triumphed Bush winning by one state in 2004 as a mandate from the people but yet acted like Obama’s victory in 2008 was by the slimest of margins. They’re going to act like this is a mandate and my hope is that like Bush in 2005 and beyond that will be their undoing but I hope that the economy does not go downward because of that. Unfortunately, we replaced a lot of reasonable minded Dems with Republican ideologues in the Senate tonight.

A mandate for what? They didn’t run on a platform of anything except ebola and ISIS. They’ve got no new policy ideas. Just the same old shit about cutting taxes even more and deregulating everything.

327 EdDantes  Nov 4, 2014 10:07:17pm

re: #266 palomino

What’s racist about it? It’s a statement of fact based on the science of demographics.

In 1980, only 10% of all voters were nonwhite. In 2008, 25% of all voters were nonwhite. It’s not racist to make the observation that a black president in 1980 wasn’t plausible, but demographic changes tipped the scale by 28 years later. Over time, more such scales will be tipped by demographic changes. And taking note of that isn’t racist in the least.

You introduced race into the subject. Demographics can indicate many things that can be construed as racist, sexist..i.e

328 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 4, 2014 10:08:00pm
329 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 10:08:24pm

re: #326 palomino

A mandate for what? They didn’t run on a platform of anything except ebola and ISIS. They’ve got no new policy ideas. Just the same old shit about cutting taxes even more and deregulating everything.

I don’t disagree but I am saying they will try to push now having control of the Senate as a mandate for them.

330 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 4, 2014 10:13:52pm

re: #329 HappyWarrior

I don’t disagree but I am saying they will try to push now having control of the Senate as a mandate for them.

My point, too. The last I heard, there will be 52 Republicans in the Senate now. That’s a narrow majority, but the GOP (especially the Tea Party wackjobs) will advertise these elections results as a “mandate,” though it’s far from it.

331 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 10:14:00pm

Interesting take away though looking at the Va exit polls. You had 11% of the 18-29 year olds that voted for other/independent. Now I did vote for Sarvice over McAullife last year and I actually despite my general distaste for Libertarians politically do like the guy and I have to say given that I probably do more about him than many of the younger voters who voted for him. But I still voted for Warner. Warner unlike McAulliffe actually had a record of getting stuff done.Crazy to think that McAulliffe got a bigger margin of victory than Warner did this year. But then again the better candidates don’t always get the most votes. If that were the case, all our presidents would be up there with Lincoln on greatness.

332 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 4, 2014 10:14:21pm

re: #329 HappyWarrior

I don’t disagree but I am saying they will try to push now having control of the Senate as a mandate for them.

a mandate to vote on repealing ACA (which will be vetoed)
a mandate to impeach Obama (which will not have enough votes for a conviction)
a mandate to block every Obama appointee

I am waiting for Obama’s first veto to be held up as proof of him being dictatorial and obstructionist

333 palomino  Nov 4, 2014 10:14:38pm

re: #327 EdDantes

You introduced race into the subject. Demographics can indicate many things that can be construed as racist, sexist..i.e

You explicitly said my comment was racist. What you apparently are unable to do is explain why it was racist.

Now you’re moving the goalposts to say that demographics can be “construed” as racist. WTF does that even mean? Anything can be construed as racist, if the person doing the construing is stupid enough.

334 teleskiguy  Nov 4, 2014 10:14:39pm

Over 2,000 comments today at LGF.

I wonder if GoatNews has that many?

335 dog philosopher  Nov 4, 2014 10:14:43pm

re: #310 freetoken

I think we need a reality check here.

We, here at this blog, are self selected (except when Stinky has to do the de-selecting).

We tend to be older, or more educated (if not formally, at least self-educated by reading), and quite a bit more culturally aware, than many of our fellow Americans.

I’m not trying to pat us on the collective back as some sort of exercise in vanity. It’s just the way these self-defined groups form.

We don’t represent the masses of the American electorate.

It’s also not just my intransigent snobbishness writing this.

Election after election, not just in the US, show that people are manipulated through the techniques of mass advertisement.

Some things sell better than others.

It’s why cereal boxes aimed at children have brighter colors than those intended for adults.

Some things just work.

The GOP has a winning strategy, in appealing to visceral topics such as fear, racism, bigotry, etc. The GOP didn’t invent this. Even the Democratic party has used these techniques, but at least in my adult lifetime the rise of the Democratic intellectual (e.g., Obama) has meant somewhat more high-brow campaigning and less blue-collar fear mongering.

Bibles and guns - these are what Americans care about. (Marijuana appears a distant third.)

Not climate change. Not esoteric banking regulations. Certainly not elaborate explanations of economics.

Guns and Bibles.

until the wolf shows up at the door - then reality might set in a bit

336 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 10:15:38pm

re: #330 wheat-dogghazi-bola

My point, too. The last I heard, there will be 52 Republicans in the Senate now. That’s a narrow majority, but the GOP (especially the Tea Party wackjobs) will advertise these elections results as a “mandate,” though it’s far from it.

I think that will be their undoing. I totally expect them to push the so-con stuff that alienated many in the 2012 election. What I am hoping for though is that this time the American people remember that this is what the Republican Party is all about. They may tell you they’re for lower taxes, less regulations, and blah blah but they’re actually very interested in using the government whether it’s the state or federal one to control your life and it doesn’t matter if you’re a young woman wanting affordable birth control or a gay couple wanting equality under the law.

337 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 10:16:56pm

re: #332 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

a mandate to vote on repealing ACA (which will be vetoed)
a mandate to impeach Obama (which will not have enough votes for a conviction)
a mandate to block every Obama appointee

I am waiting for Obama’s first veto to be held up as proof of him being dictatorial and obstructionist

It’s going to happen even though he has a very low number of vetoes. I was even shocked to see that Obama has a very number of Executive Orders for instance. I think Obama will try to reason with them but he will certainly put the foot down when he feels enough is enough.

338 Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 4, 2014 10:17:27pm

re: #334 teleskiguy

Over 2,000 comments today at LGF.

I wonder if GoatNews has that many?

Yes, but they are all from CCJ sock puppets.

339 Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 4, 2014 10:17:51pm

Speaking of which, I haven’t seen much of the Ginger avenger on here tonight.

340 teleskiguy  Nov 4, 2014 10:18:37pm

re: #339 Eclectic Cyborg

Speaking of which, I haven’t seen much of the Ginger avenger on here tonight.

It’s because we’re paying attention to shit that actually matters.

*snark*

341 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 10:19:17pm

re: #339 Eclectic Cyborg

Speaking of which, I haven’t seen much of the Ginger avenger on here tonight.

I think he passed out. Even with it being a good night for his team, he’s probably upset that it’s Cochran and not his pal the Neo-Confederate in Mississippi.

342 palomino  Nov 4, 2014 10:19:30pm

re: #329 HappyWarrior

I don’t disagree but I am saying they will try to push now having control of the Senate as a mandate for them.

Oh, yeah, you’re totally right about that. 2004 was a huge mandate in gop eyes, even though Bush won by a very small margin—one state to be exact.

They didn’t try as hard to claim that 2000 was a mandate. Because when you lose the popular vote by 600,000, even most Republicans have enough shame to realize that’s a shitty argument. But that was 14 years ago.

Today’s Republicans are even worse. Did you know, for example, that the economic collapse that began in 2007 was Obama’s fault? The fact that he didn’t take office til 2009 is beside the point.

343 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 4, 2014 10:20:02pm

????

344 dog philosopher  Nov 4, 2014 10:20:16pm

ok, here’s a completely different question:

has anybody else lost two senate campaigns in two different states before?

345 Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2014 10:21:14pm

re: #344 dog philosopher

ok, here’s a completely different question:

has anybody else lost two senate campaigns in two different states before?

I’m pretty sure that’s Senator McDreamy’s ignoble distinction. So, bets on which state he moves to in time for 2016?

346 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 10:22:26pm

re: #342 palomino

Oh, yeah, you’re totally right about that. 2004 was a huge mandate in gop eyes, even though Bush won by a very small margin—one state to be exact.

They didn’t try as hard to claim that 2000 was a mandate. Because when you lose the popular vote by 600,000, even most Republicans have enough shame to realize that’s a shitty argument. But that was 14 years ago.

Today’s Republicans are even worse. Did you know, for example, that the economic collapse that began in 2007 was Obama’s fault? The fact that he didn’t take office til 2009 is beside the point.

The fact that more Louisiana Republicans blame Obama for Katrina tells me a lot what I need to know about the Republican base. I really think there’s a deep rooted hatred of Obama there and for a long time I was reluctant to bring race into it because I do remember the Clinton hatred that existed when I was a kid in the 90’s but this is something much more than that. This is something that I think goes back to the people who would shout at African Americans trying to integrate schools. Now, I don’t think every conservative or Republican is racist. And frankly I don’t even think most are but I do feel that party and ideology has exploited racial hatred to some of its worst outcomes.

347 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 10:23:12pm

re: #343 NJDhockeyfan

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Probably an unique kink of their state law. Louisiana if no majority does a run off.

348 teleskiguy  Nov 4, 2014 10:23:25pm

re: #310 freetoken

Video

349 Viscous Obama  Nov 4, 2014 10:25:30pm

Presidential vetos are a much more visible thing than a bill dying in the Senate- should be interesting to see how people react to it.

350 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 10:26:00pm

re: #345 Targetpractice

I’m pretty sure that’s Senator McDreamy’s ignoble distinction. So, bets on which state he moves to in time for 2016?

Well we can obviously eliminate our state since Kaine isn’t up until 2018 and it looks like now Warner won’t be until 2020. So I’d look at 2016 NE states. I heard Connecticut and Vermont mentioned. I say Connecticut. And I hope he runs against Linda McMahon in the primary so we can decide once and for all “Who’s more desperate Linda McMahon or Scott Brown?” but truthfully Connecticut would probably be the easier of the two given that it’s more conservative than Vermont. I actually though think Brown is done as a would be candidate. This has to be a clue to him but then again there are rumors that his fellow mover Mitt wants to run for president again in 2016 which greatly amuses me because I would think by now that even Mitt would have gotten the message that voters even voters in his own party juts don’t like him very much.

351 Jenner7  Nov 4, 2014 10:27:11pm

I have to change the channel, I can’t take Chris Matthew’s bullshit. I’m going to get drunk and watch something funny. Night all. The next two years are going to be a trip.

352 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 10:28:09pm

re: #349 Viscous Obama

Presidential vetos are a much more visible thing than a bill dying in the Senate- should be interesting to see how people react to it.

A lot will depend on how Obama can sell it. Truman was able to call the Congress he dealt with from 46-47 a Do Nothing Congress but Obama unlike Truman is in his final two years rather than coming up for re-election. It stinks for Obama because every veto is going to be scrutinized and every veto will be made out by the hacks on FNC like it’s somehow Obama not doing the people’s will. Now truthfully, I think Obama will give in on some which will disappoint many and I will be frankly but at the same time, I understand what he’s dealing with.

353 piratedan  Nov 4, 2014 10:28:33pm

Called for Baker in Massachusetts, word to Martha Coakley, retire from public life or move to a different fucking state, kthanxbai

354 palomino  Nov 4, 2014 10:28:53pm

re: #349 Viscous Obama

Presidential vetos are a much more visible thing than a bill dying in the Senate- should be interesting to see how people react to it.

Especially since Obama—in SIX years—has only vetoed two bills, neither of which was controversial. It’s unlikely that anything passed along partisan lines will get Obama’s signature. And it’s unlikely anything passed with only Republican votes will be so nationally popular that Obama will give in.

355 BeachDem  Nov 4, 2014 10:28:58pm

re: #300 Viscous Obama

Good job, Coakley

I can’t believe that almost 19,000 people voted for Scott Lively, who is certifiably nuts.

356 TedStriker  Nov 4, 2014 10:29:18pm

re: #349 Viscous Obama

Presidential vetos are a much more visible thing than a bill dying in the Senate- should be interesting to see how people react to it.

I guarantee that, if President Obama is forced to wield his veto/EO powers much more frequently, the TPGOP Congress will use it as one of their reasons in starting up impeachment proceedings, because they will harp that the President is “subverting the will of the people” or some such bilge.

357 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 10:29:49pm

re: #355 BeachDem

I can’t believe that almost 19,000 people voted for Scott Lively, who is certifiably nuts.

Uh F.W Jackson got over 40% of the vote here for Lt Governor. Never underestimate how dedicated the anti-gay bigots are.

358 EdDantes  Nov 4, 2014 10:31:37pm

re: #333 palomino

You explicitly said my comment was racist. What you apparently are unable to do is explain why it was racist.

Now you’re moving the goalposts to say that demographics can be “construed” as racist. WTF does that even mean? Anything can be construed as racist, if the person doing the construing is stupid enough.

You wrote:
“old white people are dying off at a disproportionately high rate, and getting replaced by minorities. So what you’ve got won’t last for long.”
Sounds racist to me. You are looking forward to , “old white people dying off.”

359 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 10:31:54pm

re: #354 palomino

Especially since Obama—in SIX years—has only vetoed two bills, neither of which was controversial. It’s unlikely that anything passed along partisan lines will get Obama’s signature. And it’s unlikely anything passed with only Republican votes will be so nationally popular that Obama will give in.

I can’t believe he only has two vetoes. That didn’t surprise me when Bush had Republicans controlling both houses of Congress for his first six years but given that Obama’s had a house of Congress controlled by the GOP for all but one of the four Congressional sessions in his presidency, that’s remarkable. I still say any veto will result in the usual suspects acting like Obama is being unreasonable with them even though I suspect he will give in especially if the polling looks good for it.

360 teleskiguy  Nov 4, 2014 10:32:02pm

re: #356 TedStriker

I guarantee that, if President Obama is forced to wiled his veto/EO powers much more frequently, the TPGOP Congress will use it as one of their reasons in starting up impeachment proceedings, because they will harp that the President is “subverting the will of the people” or some such bilge.

That’s exactly what happened with Andrew Johnson 146 years ago.

361 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 4, 2014 10:34:29pm
362 palomino  Nov 4, 2014 10:34:45pm

re: #356 TedStriker

I guarantee that, if President Obama is forced to wield his veto/EO powers much more frequently, the TPGOP Congress will use it as one of their reasons in starting up impeachment proceedings, because they will harp that the President is “subverting the will of the people” or some such bilge.

A veto didn’t used to be a big thing. Clinton vetoed 36 bills. Can anyone name the bills he vetoed that he or other Dems paid a heavy political price for? FDR vetoed hundreds and his own party controlled Congress for the duration of his presidency.

Chances are that whatever the GOP passes by itself will be sufficiently extreme that Obama won’t hesitate to veto it.

363 TedStriker  Nov 4, 2014 10:35:01pm

re: #360 teleskiguy

That’s exactly what happened with Andrew Johnson 146 years ago.

As a Tennessean, it pains me to see that sordid history repeating itself.

364 dog philosopher  Nov 4, 2014 10:35:43pm

i tend to think the result will be they choke on their victory and fall to fighting amongst themselves

365 BeachDem  Nov 4, 2014 10:36:43pm

re: #322 Kragar

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So sad, so true. I don’t even want to think of who the committee chairs are going to be. I’m sure Lindsey will be running his mouth non-stop from now till eternity.

366 EdDantes  Nov 4, 2014 10:37:27pm

re: #361 NJDhockeyfan

Harry Reid minority leader sounds good.

367 teleskiguy  Nov 4, 2014 10:37:51pm

Colorado governors race still too close to call.

368 palomino  Nov 4, 2014 10:38:26pm

re: #358 EdDantes

You wrote:
“old white people are dying off at a disproportionately high rate, and getting replaced by minorities. So what you’ve got won’t last for long.”
Sounds racist to me. You are looking forward to , “old white people dying off.”

I’m not hoping anyone dies. I’m making an observation based on irrefutable statistics regarding population and aging.

BTW, I’m middle aged and white. So a lot of white people dying as they age isn’t necessarily something that excites me.

369 piratedan  Nov 4, 2014 10:38:48pm

re: #358 EdDantes

well Ed, considering the game plan that the “old white people” are intent on implementing over at the GOP headquarters consists of deregulating the financial markets, which was the cause of the global financial crisis just six years ago; the unmitigated bombing of brown people, no matter the continent; the proposed implementation of a theocratic state which supplants the rights of women to do with their bodies as they wish and the privatization of the government into the hands of their corporate backers while doing fuck-all about the nation’s infrastructure woes, climate change and giving your employer the right to decide how your health care money is spent, I would agree, those old white fuckers can’t die fast enough.

and we haven’t even mentioned guns and immigration yet, I’m sure that the GOP has reasonable positions on those we can discuss as well.
Feel free to down ding me at your leisure

370 BeachDem  Nov 4, 2014 10:39:15pm

Oh crap—Mia Love won—now we’ll be having to hear about the GOP’s big tent bullshit as well. (And she’s going to dismantle the black caucus from within, don’t forget.) I’d say I need a drink, but I’ve downed 1/2 a bottle of cab and it doesn’t seem to be helping.

371 klystron  Nov 4, 2014 10:39:44pm

re: #370 BeachDem

Oh crap—Mia Love won—now we’ll be having to hear about the GOP’s big tent bullshit as well. (And she’s going to dismantle the black caucus from within, don’t forget.) I’d say I need a drink, but I’ve downed 1/2 a bottle of cab and it doesn’t seem to be helping.

If it’s only half a bottle, well, there’s your problem.

///

372 goddamnedfrank  Nov 4, 2014 10:41:10pm

re: #358 EdDantes

You wrote:
“old white people are dying off at a disproportionately high rate, and getting replaced by minorities. So what you’ve got won’t last for long.”
Sounds racist to me. You are looking forward to , “old white people dying off.”

It’s a fact of life, you retarded cock-bag. People get old and die, the US elderly population is currently disproportionately white and disproportionately conservative relative to the rest of society. Time has a built in liberal bias.

373 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 4, 2014 10:42:03pm
374 TedStriker  Nov 4, 2014 10:42:09pm

re: #370 BeachDem

Oh crap—Mia Love won—now we’ll be having to hear about the GOP’s big tent bullshit as well. (And she’s going to dismantle the black caucus from within, don’t forget.) I’d say I need a drink, but I’ve downed 1/2 a bottle of cab and it doesn’t seem to be helping.

Hey, it only took the TPGOP eleven years to get another token black Congressperson elected, since JC Watts left the House in 2003…

///extremely heavy

375 BeachDem  Nov 4, 2014 10:42:37pm

re: #342 palomino

Hey, a whole bunch of them think Katrina was Obama’s fault. Nobody ever accused these dolts of rational thought.

376 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 10:42:41pm

I actually feel pretty good. I as I said above just feel dumbfounded about voters and why they vote the way they do. I’ll admit a little irritation to with two faced politicians.

377 BeachDem  Nov 4, 2014 10:44:41pm

Jesus fucking Christ. The hits just keep on coming—Le Page won in Maine.

378 freetoken  Nov 4, 2014 10:45:36pm

re: #373 NJDhockeyfan

Because Mormon Je$u$.

379 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 10:45:43pm

re: #374 TedStriker

Hey, it only took the TPGOP eleven years to get another token black Congressperson elected, since JC Watts left the House in 2003…

///extremely heavy

Tim Scott. Not that I disagree with your big point. The first Democratic black woman was elected to Congress before I was even born but has that ever stopped Repubs and conservatives from saying that the Democratic Party today has the same ideology of the Democratic Party of the 1860’s? Frankly it amuses me that they’re making a deal of this. For a party that loves to boast how it was responsible for the end of slavery, Civil Rights, and suffrage, it sure as hell took them a very long time to elect their first black female representative.

380 Jordy LuhPhorj  Nov 4, 2014 10:45:53pm

I really think Wisconsin is going to be permantly red. The brain drain on the state is pronounced. School teachers leaving for Minnesota, programmers for California, professors are leaving the UW system for higher paying jobs in other states with better education funding. It’s a hot topic among the older people in my family. “Why are all the kids leaving?!?” Because you fucked it all up jackasses, and I’m never moving back.

381 BeachDem  Nov 4, 2014 10:46:06pm

re: #344 dog philosopher

ok, here’s a completely different question:

has anybody else lost two senate campaigns in two different states before?

Not sure, but Scotty is the first to lose two Senate races to two different women.

382 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 10:46:42pm

re: #377 BeachDem

Jesus fucking Christ. The hits just keep on coming—Le Page won in Maine.

Damn. That guy was another legitimate cuckoo.

383 palomino  Nov 4, 2014 10:46:48pm

If you’ve been following this shit long enough, you know the pendulum always swings back. Be patient. Huge victories like same sex marriage and pot legalization/decriminalization are the product of years of frustrating losses along the way. And the demographic clock, while ticking inexorably towards a truly multicultural society, still moves at a slow speed. Hell, whites will still be the majority for another 25 years. But we know what the long term future holds, and that’s the reason to stay optimistic. That arc of history doesn’t bend rapidly. Be patient, grasshoppers. And lizards.

384 lostlakehiker  Nov 4, 2014 10:47:05pm

re: #156 HappyWarrior

2016 will be better but I really as I said earlier hope the nominee is not Hillary. We need new blood for the party. A lot of the Republicans being elected tonight aren’t your establishment types.

I too hope Hillary is not the Democratic nominee. Not because I think she’d be more likely to win and I want my party to win one way or the other, but because I think she’s past her use-by date and would not have the energy to do the job right. And there’s no track record of success in executive positions, so even if she’s still fit, that’s a question mark.

Give us an energetic young-ish governor who’s done well at the state level.

If the Republicans nominate Ted Cruz, for instance, y’all had better put up some solid candidate who doesn’t commit gaffes and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Because that Ted guy is unfit for the presidency.

385 piratedan  Nov 4, 2014 10:47:36pm

re: #380 Jordy LuhPhorj

the old “elections have consequences” line. Everyone up there had a chance to watch Walker fuck over the old progressive state foundations and I guess that they’re okay with that.

386 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 10:47:36pm

re: #380 Jordy LuhPhorj

I really think Wisconsin is going to be permantly red. The brain drain on the state is pronounced. School teachers leaving for Minnesota, programmers for California, professors are leaving the UW system for higher paying jobs in other states with better education funding. It’s a hot topic among the older people in my family. “Why are all the kids leaving?!?” Because you fucked it all up jackasses, and I’m never moving back.

Ironic given that RWNJs always claim that taxes cause brain drains. I don’t know about Wisconsin. Never been or lived there before but it does seem like it’s drafting purple at least state wise.

387 Viscous Obama  Nov 4, 2014 10:48:15pm

Dunno what to think about Clinton at this point but damn, if another Bush gets the nomination, we’re getting well into Roman gens territory

388 palomino  Nov 4, 2014 10:48:39pm

re: #373 NJDhockeyfan

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Just 50 years after the first black Democratic congresswoman was elected. I guess the gop deserves a cookie for being only HALF a century behind in this case.

389 TedStriker  Nov 4, 2014 10:49:06pm

re: #379 HappyWarrior

Tim Scott. Not that I disagree with your big point. The first Democratic black woman was elected to Congress before I was even born but has that ever stopped Repubs and conservatives from saying that the Democratic Party today has the same ideology of the Democratic Party of the 1860’s? Frankly it amuses me that they’re making a deal of this. For a party that loves to boast how it was responsible for the end of slavery, Civil Rights, and suffrage, it sure as hell took them a very long time to elect their first black female representative.

Scott was appointed to fill DeMint’s seat last year and just won a full term tonight, but I digress.

OK, so the TPGOP is somewhat improving…they now have two black Congressfolks, so I suppose that is progress of sorts.

390 BeachDem  Nov 4, 2014 10:50:13pm

re: #371 klystron

If it’s only half a bottle, well, there’s your problem.

///

I got a late start!

391 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 10:50:29pm

re: #389 TedStriker

Scott was appointed to fill DeMint’s seat last year and just won a full term tonight, but I digress.

OK, so the TPGOP is somewhat improving…they now have two black Congressfolks, so I suppose that is progress of sorts.

Scott was in Congress before Haley appointed him I believe. I think BeachDem described him earlier as a do-nothing Congressman who’s become a do-nothing Senator.

392 palomino  Nov 4, 2014 10:50:44pm

re: #372 goddamnedfrank

It’s a fact of life, you retarded cock-bag. People get old and die, the US elderly population is currently disproportionately white and disproportionately conservative relative to the rest of society. Time has a built in liberal bias.

As do reality and science.

393 TedStriker  Nov 4, 2014 10:52:22pm

re: #391 HappyWarrior

Scott was in Congress before Haley appointed him I believe. I think BeachDem described him earlier as a do-nothing Congressman who’s become a do-nothing Senator.

I stand corrected…still, seven years between Watts’ and Scott’s terms in the House.

394 BeachDem  Nov 4, 2014 10:52:30pm

re: #374 TedStriker

Hey, it only took the TPGOP eleven years to get another token black Congressperson elected, since JC Watts left the House in 2003…

///extremely heavy

Nah—sadly, we elected Tim Scott (well, he won—that’s all I’ll say) as a Rep, then Jim DeMint ceded his Senate seat, which Timmy won for the rest of that term today—so they have an elected black Senator as well.

395 TedStriker  Nov 4, 2014 10:53:43pm

re: #394 BeachDem

Nah—sadly, we elected Tim Scott (well, he won—that’s all I’ll say) as a Rep, then Jim DeMint ceded his Senate seat, which Timmy won for the rest of that term today—so they have an elected black Senator as well.

See my post above.

396 klystron  Nov 4, 2014 10:55:46pm

re: #390 BeachDem

I got a late start!

Despite the tonic in the fridge, I have somehow managed to not start.

Probably because I am still plowing through to do list items (a menu still needs to be planned out before grocery shopping tomorrow but I have about zero inspiration right now).

397 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 10:55:50pm

re: #393 TedStriker

I stand corrected…still, seven years between Watts and Scott’s term in the House.

Oh believe me I know. As I said, for a party that loves to talk about how they’re responsible for civil rights and yada yada that’s just sad. Meanwhile, there’s been an African American Democrat in Congress every year since my parents were born in the early 50’s and even beyond that. Hell Shirley Chislom ran for president as a Democrat the first year my Dad could vote and that was in the early 70’s before Ms. Love was even born. They can point her out as “proof” that they”re a big tent party all they want but their Congressional caucus is still not very representative of America as a whole and with now Congressman Brat elect, they have no Jewish members.But somehow Obama and the Dems are Anti-Semitic.//

398 teleskiguy  Nov 4, 2014 10:56:21pm

I said something about the ideological divide in Colorado once upon a time this Election Day. Well, my theory of Colorado being in actuality three different states culturally has some more evidence with this map.

With the exception of Mesa and Garfield counties, there are no ski areas where you see red.

399 BeachDem  Nov 4, 2014 10:56:33pm

re: #391 HappyWarrior

Scott was in Congress before Haley appointed him I believe. I think BeachDem described him earlier as a do-nothing Congressman who’s become a do-nothing Senator.

Aw, you remembered! Yeah, he was even my rep, so I speak with first-hand knowledge of what a waste of space he is.

400 blueraven  Nov 4, 2014 10:57:06pm

re: #384 lostlakehiker

I too hope Hillary is not the Democratic nominee. Not because I think she’d be more likely to win and I want my party to win one way or the other, but because I think she’s past her use-by date and would not have the energy to do the job right. And there’s no track record of success in executive positions, so even if she’s still fit, that’s a question mark.

Give us an energetic young-ish governor who’s done well at the state level.

If the Republicans nominate Ted Cruz, for instance, y’all had better put up some solid candidate who doesn’t commit gaffes and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Because that Ted guy is unfit for the presidency.

Hillary is “past her use-by date” and “would not have the energy to do the job”?

Oh brother.

401 freetoken  Nov 4, 2014 10:58:08pm

Looking at the turnout figures… in Iowa it looks like it was just above 50% who voted for US Senator ( 1,092,734 / 2,142,304 = 51%) with 1747 of 1781 Precincts Reported.

In the 2012 general election the turnout was 73.3% .

So there is your difference.

We can whine all we want to about the backwardness of the GOP, but apparently a significant fraction of your fellow citizens don’t think that is important.

402 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 4, 2014 10:58:20pm
403 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 10:58:24pm

I can’t be depressed over this. Politics is all about cycles. I am mainly upset about this because of A) as I got earlier how voters don’t seem to know what they want and B) the fact that the policies that could be implemented could be hurting some people. Me? I’m not disillusioned like I was ten years ago when Kerry lost to Bush. That was disillusioning. This is life goes on and I hope I can at least get a job interview. But I’m happy. Best shape of my life and I got an awesome niece that I adore.

404 lostlakehiker  Nov 4, 2014 10:59:34pm

re: #372 goddamnedfrank

It’s a fact of life, you retarded cock-bag. People get old and die, the US elderly population is currently disproportionately white and disproportionately conservative relative to the rest of society. Time has a built in liberal bias.

Time, here and now in the US, has a built in bias toward minority concerns. But will that minority be liberal? Mexico, taken as a whole, is not exactly liberal. New Mexico just elected (re-elected?) an Hispanic woman governor. Republican. It is by no means certain that when today’s Hispanic youth reach voting age, they will be indistinguishable in their politics from Tom Harkins.

Things will be different. But in what ways, we shall find out when we get to the future.

405 blueraven  Nov 4, 2014 11:00:16pm

Hickenlooper is closing the gap

Beauprez 47.9%
(832,231)

Hickenlooper 47.6%
(827,099)

88% reporting • Updated 1 minute ago

406 teleskiguy  Nov 4, 2014 11:01:12pm

re: #398 teleskiguy

And do note the 75,000+ voters who voted for a third party.

I used to be a third party voter. Hell, every President I’ve voted for has been a third party candidate. This election is making me realize in Technicolor that third party votes are as useless as sunglasses on a powder day.

407 sagehen  Nov 4, 2014 11:02:35pm

re: #384 lostlakehiker

…because I think she’s past her use-by date and would not have the energy to do the job right. And there’s no track record of success in executive positions, so even if she’s still fit, that’s a question mark.

Somebody who supported John McCain has ZERO right to object to anybody on those grounds.

408 EdDantes  Nov 4, 2014 11:02:45pm

re: #369 piratedan

well Ed, considering the game plan that the “old white people” are intent on implementing over at the GOP headquarters consists of deregulating the financial markets, which was the cause of the global financial crisis just six years ago; the unmitigated bombing of brown people, no matter the continent; the proposed implementation of a theocratic state which supplants the rights of women to do with their bodies as they wish and the privatization of the government into the hands of their corporate backers while doing fuck-all about the nation’s infrastructure woes, climate change and giving your employer the right to decide how your health care money is spent, I would agree, those old white fuckers can’t die fast enough.

and we haven’t even mentioned guns and immigration yet, I’m sure that the GOP has reasonable positions on those we can discuss as well.
Feel free to down ding me at your leisure

Well, I’m not a down dinging kinda guy but I do appreciate you thoughts.

409 EdDantes  Nov 4, 2014 11:04:15pm

re: #408 EdDantes

Well, I’m not a down dinging kinda guy but I do appreciate you thoughts.

I said you and I meant your.

410 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 4, 2014 11:04:44pm

re: #401 freetoken

Looking at the turnout figures… in Iowa it looks like it was just above 50% who voted for US Senator ( 1,092,734 / 2,142,304 = 51%) with 1747 of 1781 Precincts Reported.

In the 2012 general election the turnout was 73.3% .

So there is your difference.

We can whine all we want to about the backwardness of the GOP, but apparently a significant fraction of your fellow citizens don’t think that is important.

This. Sad, but true.

411 Viscous Obama  Nov 4, 2014 11:05:05pm

GOD BLESS TEXAS

412 BeachDem  Nov 4, 2014 11:06:52pm

re: #403 HappyWarrior

I can’t be depressed over this. Politics is all about cycles. I am mainly upset about this because of A) as I got earlier how voters don’t seem to know what they want and B) the fact that the policies that could be implemented could be hurting some people. Me? I’m not disillusioned like I was ten years ago when Kerry lost to Bush. That was disillusioning. This is life goes on and I hope I can at least get a job interview. But I’m happy. Best shape of my life and I got an awesome niece that I adore.

That’s the spirit! (I’m old—it takes me longer t bounce back.) I have nieces that I adore as well, and I will NOT ask them who they voted for for Mass. governor, as I want to continue adoring them and one of them voted TWICE for Scott Brown for Senator.

413 EdDantes  Nov 4, 2014 11:07:31pm

re: #372 goddamnedfrank

It’s a fact of life, you retarded cock-bag. People get old and die, the US elderly population is currently disproportionately white and disproportionately conservative relative to the rest of society. Time has a built in liberal bias.

Thanks, Frank. I always learn something when I post here.

414 palomino  Nov 4, 2014 11:09:15pm

re: #384 lostlakehiker

I too hope Hillary is not the Democratic nominee. Not because I think she’d be more likely to win and I want my party to win one way or the other, but because I think she’s past her use-by date and would not have the energy to do the job right. And there’s no track record of success in executive positions, so even if she’s still fit, that’s a question mark.

Give us an energetic young-ish governor who’s done well at the state level.

If the Republicans nominate Ted Cruz, for instance, y’all had better put up some solid candidate who doesn’t commit gaffes and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Because that Ted guy is unfit for the presidency.

Past her expiration date? Your party worships a guy who was older when elected President than Hillary will be in 2016. And if she’s past her sell-by date, then you’d have to say the same thing about Jeb Bush, right? Nearly as old, with TWO relatives who served as president.

415 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 11:11:22pm

re: #414 palomino

Past her expiration date? Your party worships a guy who was older when elected President than Hillary will be in 2016. And if she’s past her sell-by date, then you’d have to say the same thing about Jeb Bush, right? Nearly as old, with TWO former relatives who served as president.

Reagan I might add like Hillary also lost a close primary. Anyhow, I just want someone new and honestly I really don’t know if Hillary’s the one I want leading the party going forward. I think she’s too cautious. One may say the same about Obama himself but I think he’s proven more ambitious on key issues than Hillary has during time in office.

416 klystron  Nov 4, 2014 11:11:23pm

I have to admit, the trolls do a decent job of representing the face of the Republican party, as folks who don’t give a shit about things like empathy or actually building a community but instead are seeking to get a reaction out of their targets in order to make themselves feel better.

It’s still kind of boring though.

417 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 4, 2014 11:14:09pm
418 teleskiguy  Nov 4, 2014 11:16:17pm

*re-posted from the first Election Open Thread*

How about some music?

MP3 Audio

2nd Self - Umphrey’s McGee

No matter how you fall
it shouldn’t bother you at all
It could take more to overcome less in a day
no matter how you break
you shouldn’t be the one to take
your own opinions as they twist in their own way
when all she wants is to be left
off to the side and counted with the rest
all she wants is to be spared
from voting for a candidate who doesn’t care
Though many more have been provided
when the only one decided
is someone who’s left to wait
and any promise worth fulfilling
what when only one needs selling
isn’t one to leave till late

No matter how it’s read
only so much can be said
about subscribing to a point that has no ground
No matter how it feels
your speculation isn’t real
nothing can be gauged until it comes around
when all she wants is to be left
Off to the side and counted with the rest
All she wants is to be spared
From voting for a candidate who doesn’t care
And though the end may seem divided
every story is two sided
but it’s only yours you’ll know
and truth be told if you are willing
then that promises fulfilling
is what only time could show

419 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 11:16:25pm

re: #404 lostlakehiker

Time, here and now in the US, has a built in bias toward minority concerns. But will that minority be liberal? Mexico, taken as a whole, is not exactly liberal. New Mexico just elected (re-elected?) an Hispanic woman governor. Republican. It is by no means certain that when today’s Hispanic youth reach voting age, they will be indistinguishable in their politics from Tom Harkins.

Things will be different. But in what ways, we shall find out when we get to the future.

Well here’s the thing. Minority youth voters are actually pretty socially liberal. Just like white youth voters are more socially liberal than their parents. And here’s another thing. The Dem candidates tonight did great with Hispanics. Abbott actually did not meet his expectation and I think Gardner in Colorado only got 24%. The other thing is frankly actions. Hispanic voters have seen a lot of condescending behavior to them from GOP politicos. They’ve seen John McCain go from a genuine friend on issues to them to someone repeating the same old platitudes about building the dang fence and don’t get me started on people like Steve King or Louie Gohmert who want to make them out to be all cartel drug mules. And finally there’s bread and butter type issues. Education is an important issue to the Hispanic community. Many of these people are going to be the first people in their family attending college. They’re not going to think too highly of a party that seems to shun public education and has supported cutting student loans and also strongly continues to oppose the DREAM ACT. Once maybe the GOP had a legitimate shot at competing for the Hispanic vote but I really think they blew their load once they went against one of the few sane political instincts I think President Bush had.

420 EdDantes  Nov 4, 2014 11:17:15pm

re: #416 klystron

Ain’t it the truth.

421 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 11:17:48pm

re: #412 BeachDem

That’s the spirit! (I’m old—it takes me longer t bounce back.) I have nieces that I adore as well, and I will NOT ask them who they voted for for Mass. governor, as I want to continue adoring them and one of them voted TWICE for Scott Brown for Senator.

I vowed never to get disillusioned again after Kerry lost. That was my moment. I do hope your nieces see the light though because Brown’s a sleazeball lol.

422 klystron  Nov 4, 2014 11:18:13pm

re: #420 EdDantes

Ain’t it the truth.

At least you admit it. :)

Cheers.

423 EdDantes  Nov 4, 2014 11:21:33pm

re: #422 klystron

At least you admit it. :)

Cheers.

You got me you tricky trickster! Boy, y’all are sharp!

424 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 4, 2014 11:22:10pm

Meanwhile in Ferguson…

425 palomino  Nov 4, 2014 11:23:09pm

re: #404 lostlakehiker

Time, here and now in the US, has a built in bias toward minority concerns. But will that minority be liberal? Mexico, taken as a whole, is not exactly liberal. New Mexico just elected (re-elected?) an Hispanic woman governor. Republican. It is by no means certain that when today’s Hispanic youth reach voting age, they will be indistinguishable in their politics from Tom Harkins.

Things will be different. But in what ways, we shall find out when we get to the future.

The cultural factors that largely determine voting patterns are unlikely to change soon. The conservative white American ideal of the rugged individualist loner isn’t generally shared by Hispanics and blacks, and it never has been. The love of founding fathers who owned slaves, saw Hispanics as 2nd class citizens, and women as inferior isn’t something that future generations will hold on to with the same passion as tea partiers.

Unless there’s a huge shift in the underlying fundamentals, there’s not much reason to think voting patterns will change. Indeed, voting patterns haven’t changed all that much over the last 40 years. Blacks, Hispanics, Gays, Women all vote Dem in about the same numbers as two generations ago. Ditto with white men and the gop. It’s the overall number of minorities increasing that has made the difference. Try to imagine a scenario where the gop (the rabid anti-immigration and anti-Obama, anti-government party) suddenly becomes the favorite of blacks and Hispanics. Only way for gop to do that would be alienating its teabag base.

426 krypto  Nov 4, 2014 11:24:22pm

One of the few high points of the election returns this evening for me was seeing my own former state representative and former US senator, Scott Brown, defeated. I felt very deprived because he was running in New Hampshire instead of Massachusetts so that I was denied the satisfaction of voting against him again.

I can’t understand how we got stuck with Martha Coakley as the Democratic candidate for governor. She had the distinction of allowing Scott Brown to win the senatorial special election by being too elitist and overconfident to bother campaigning against him or even being seen in public much while running back then. This allowed Brown to repay the tea party for their support by single handedly derailing the Affordable Care Act from being cleanly enacted based on the House version. I had a hard time voting for Coakley after she had botched that so badly and enabled Scott Brown to cause so much damage.

427 palomino  Nov 4, 2014 11:25:02pm

re: #413 EdDantes

Thanks, Frank. I always learn something when I post here.

Yeah, but what did you learn? Be honest now. If you really did learn something, you should share it with the rest of the class. Elaborate please.

428 Viscous Obama  Nov 4, 2014 11:25:25pm

While we’re on the topic of BEST COAST, Oregon democrats totally kicked ass, gaining seats in both houses, sweeping all statewide offices, and legalized marijuana.

Going to be some interesting parallel development in this country the next couple of years. You can already see it when you compare cities across the country.

429 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 4, 2014 11:26:43pm
430 gwangung  Nov 4, 2014 11:26:59pm

re: #419 HappyWarrior

Well here’s the thing. Minority youth voters are actually pretty socially liberal. Just like white youth voters are more socially liberal than their parents. And here’s another thing. The Dem candidates tonight did great with Hispanics. Abbott actually did not meet his expectation and I think Gardner in Colorado only got 24%. The other thing is frankly actions. Hispanic voters have seen a lot of condescending behavior to them from GOP politicos. They’ve seen John McCain go from a genuine friend on issues to them to someone repeating the same old platitudes about building the dang fence and don’t get me started on people like Steve King or Louie Gohmert who want to make them out to be all cartel drug mules. And finally there’s bread and butter type issues. Education is an important issue to the Hispanic community. Many of these people are going to be the first people in their family attending college. They’re not going to think too highly of a party that seems to shun public education and has supported cutting student loans and also strongly continues to oppose the DREAM ACT. Once maybe the GOP had a legitimate shot at competing for the Hispanic vote but I really think they blew their load once they went against one of the few sane political instincts I think President Bush had.

Yeah, but Democratic candidates have to EARN that vote and not just take it for granted. I think as a whole they offered very little to energize Hispanic voters and tried to be as inoffensive as possible, hoping not to offend white voters.

431 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 4, 2014 11:27:58pm

Hillary is just another blue dog hawk and I really pray that if she runs she gets hammered hard in the early primaries so that someone else, Sanders or Gillibrand for example, can get the nomination.

432 TedStriker  Nov 4, 2014 11:28:36pm

re: #431 William Barnett-Lewis

Hillary is just another blue dog hawk and I really pray that if she runs she gets hammered hard in the early primaries so that someone else, Sanders or Gillibrand for example, can get the nomination.

I’d take Franken.

433 palomino  Nov 4, 2014 11:30:13pm

re: #415 HappyWarrior

Reagan I might add like Hillary also lost a close primary. Anyhow, I just want someone new and honestly I really don’t know if Hillary’s the one I want leading the party going forward. I think she’s too cautious. One may say the same about Obama himself but I think he’s proven more ambitious on key issues than Hillary has during time in office.

Sure, I’d love to see someone else too. But there may not be a “someone else” on the Dem side this go round. Obama was a political force of nature. It’s very unlikely that another one of those will appear from nowhere with the presidential election just two years away.

At this point, it’s not about electing the next FDR (that’s probably not even possible any longer in a nation so huge and polarized). It’s just about keeping the WH…out of GOP hands.

434 EdDantes  Nov 4, 2014 11:30:17pm

re: #427 palomino

I learned “It’s a fact of life, you retarded cock-bag. People get old and die, “

435 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 11:32:53pm

re: #425 palomino

The cultural factors that largely determine voting patterns are unlikely to change soon. The conservative white American ideal of the rugged individualist loner isn’t generally shared by Hispanics and blacks, and it never has been. The love of founding fathers who owned slaves, saw Hispanics as 2nd class citizens, and women as inferior isn’t something that future generations will hold on to with the same passion as tea partiers.

Unless there’s a huge shift in the underlying fundamentals, there’s not much reason to think voting patterns will change. Indeed, voting patterns haven’t changed all that much over the last 40 years. Blacks, Hispanics, Gays, Women all vote Dem in about the same numbers as two generations ago. Ditto with white men and the gop. It’s the overall number of minorities increasing that has made the difference. Try to imagine a scenario where the gop (the rabid anti-immigration and anti-Obama, anti-government party) suddenly becomes the favorite of blacks and Hispanics. Only way for gop to do that would be alienating its teabag base.

I’d call it deification of the Founders. But yeah basic voting demographics really haven’t changed much though I do think there has been trend since Clinton left office of more and more blue collar whites to the GOP but that really started in the Nixon years and it really reached its pinnacle under Reagan. I think the GOP sooner or later is going to have to realize that the tactics they’ve used to win elections for as long as I can remember aren’t going to work in a society where non Hispanic Whites aren’t the clear majority anymore. Whether that means a move to a more reasonable spot on social and or economics, I haven’t a clue. The fact is though I’ve seen no signs of flexibility from the GOP with these changing demos. In fact, I’ve seen more anger and rage directed towards it than trying to adapt to it. Look at tonight. Did Alabama really need to reject Shariah Law? Really, does anyone here worry about Shariah law ever being the law of the land in our country? The sad fact to me is Republicans have regressed on minority issues. I think Dole and H.W Bush actually beat Clinton among Asian voters. And W Bush’s success with Hispanic voters was a key factor in his re-election. Instead though, we’ve got GOP office holders who condescending talk to kis who have pretty much lived here their whole life just trying to make a go of it at college or worse suggesting that they’re drug mules if your name is Steve King. They can point to Susana Martinez all they want but minority voters want what they’ve gotten from Democrats and that’s being welcomed into this country. I have a Peruvian sister in law. I’ve made an effort to learn more about that country and its culture since meeting her. Now I don’t expect Republicans/conservatives to be fluent in Spanish or whatever but I do think it’s perfectly reasonable to expect them to try to understand the real dreams and aspirations of our immigrants. I have compassion to our immigrants because hell it wasn’t easy for my own immigrant ancestors.

436 Justanotherhuman  Nov 4, 2014 11:33:26pm

Ignorant voters in NC just elected the corporations’ axe man. Not to mention all the others dark money put in office in the rest of the country.

I’m so angry I need to STFU.

437 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 4, 2014 11:33:50pm

re: #432 TedStriker

I’d take Franken.

I don’t think he’ll stand for the election. He’s smart enough to know he’ll have far more real power with greater seniority in the Senate.

438 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 11:34:02pm

re: #430 gwangung

Yeah, but Democratic candidates have to EARN that vote and not just take it for granted. I think as a whole they offered very little to energize Hispanic voters and tried to be as inoffensive as possible, hoping not to offend white voters.

No doubt. They can’t take it for granted. To tell you the truth, I wish Obama had pushed immigration reform harder.

439 freetoken  Nov 4, 2014 11:34:04pm

re: #428 Viscous Obama

And to the south it is business as usual in California. Here the GOP is marginalized so that the best they can do is carve out roughly 1/3rd of the elected officials statewide. But that is because California now and for some time has been dominated by large urban areas.

In fly-over country the dynamic is of course different.

The local marijuana ordinances went down in defeat, but the statewide de-felon-izing proposition is winning.

I don’t know what the future holds, but my suspicions are that the current urban/rural dynamic is not going to change.

Texas results are indicative that a large Mexican population has yet to tilt power towards the Democrats. I think it is too easy to assume a rising hispanic population will lead to an automatic decline in GOP influence. Parties will morph into what they have to be, and perhaps some as-yet-unpredictable event will find the GOP becoming the favorite party of those who self-identify as hispanic.

440 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 11:36:08pm

re: #433 palomino

Sure, I’d love to see someone else too. But there may not be a “someone else” on the Dem side this go round. Obama was a political force of nature. It’s very unlikely that another one of those will appear from nowhere with the presidential election just two years away.

At this point, it’s not about electing the next FDR (that’s probably not even possible any longer in a nation so huge and polarized). It’s just about keeping the WH…out of GOP hands.

True point. Maybe I do want too much here. I just really don’t feel like reliving the nastiness of the 90’s with Hillary as the nominee but at the same time I know whoever the Dems nominate will be made out to be a Marxist who hates America and Baby Jesus by the right.

441 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 4, 2014 11:40:37pm

As far as I can tell from the results, everyone and everything I voted for won. So, there’s that.

442 Justanotherhuman  Nov 4, 2014 11:42:11pm

I mean, the first Republican dominated Congress since WWII?

If this election is really the “will of the People”, we’re in deep doo-doo in the US.

Smell the racist, reactionary backlash.

443 klystron  Nov 4, 2014 11:42:36pm

re: #441 Blind Frog Ebola White

As far as I can tell from the results, everyone and everything I voted for won. So, there’s that.

My county is being abysmally slow to report results. I want to see if our former mayor got elected to state assembly.

444 palomino  Nov 4, 2014 11:42:58pm

re: #431 William Barnett-Lewis

Hillary is just another blue dog hawk and I really pray that if she runs she gets hammered hard in the early primaries so that someone else, Sanders or Gillibrand for example, can get the nomination.

Please be realistic. No one like Sanders is electable. Not only is he a self-described “democratic socialist” with far left views (which I happen to share), but he’s way too honest. He says what he thinks and much of it is anti-big business. He’s too far outside the mainstream of his own party. He’s like the good version of Ron Paul, if such a thing were possible.

Gillibrand, on the other hand, may be the real deal. I have a million doubts about Hillary. But I have one certainty that outweighs them all: she’s ready to roll. Plenty of fundraising prowess, flush with cash, lots of experience, tons of DC insider support, Bill at her side, etc etc. And she’s still voted the most admired woman in America practically every year. Definitely a formidable candidate. Put Gillibrand on the ticket with her and dare the gop to let their misogyny flow naturally like toxic waste into a (relatively) clean body of water.

445 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 4, 2014 11:43:54pm

re: #440 HappyWarrior

True point. Maybe I do want too much here. I just really don’t feel like reliving the nastiness of the 90’s with Hillary as the nominee but at the same time I know whoever the Dems nominate will be made out to be a Marxist who hates America and Baby Jesus by the right.

Hillary’s quote from 6 years ago that she lready knows how to hande the “flying monkeys” from the GOP really does have some validity.

She knows…better then most of us…how personal and nasty things will get for the Dem nominee and she has the money backers (ugh…which reminds me of how tawdry the whole Lincoln bedroom thing was back in 1998) to take on the GOP billionaires who just bought my state of NC.

446 palomino  Nov 4, 2014 11:44:20pm

re: #434 EdDantes

I learned “It’s a fact of life, you retarded cock-bag. People get old and die, “

You didn’t already know that?

447 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 4, 2014 11:45:33pm

re: #442 Justanotherhuman

I mean, the first Republican dominated Congress since WWII?

If this election is really the “will of the People”, we’re in deep doo-doo in the US.

Smell the racist, reactionary backlash.

But that is always what ths was about. Reactionary fear and anger peddling to white voters who know things are not what they want them to be and need somebody to blame it on.

448 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 4, 2014 11:46:18pm

re: #446 palomino

You didn’t already know that?

This argument is getting old

#justsaying

449 Justanotherhuman  Nov 4, 2014 11:46:40pm

Interactive map of mid-term: detroitnews.com

450 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 11:47:48pm

re: #445 Aunty Entity Dragon

Hillary’s quote from 6 years ago that she lready knows how to hande the “flying monkeys” from the GOP really does have some validity.

She knows…better then most of us…how personal and nasty things will get for the Dem nominee and she has the money backers (ugh…which reminds me of how tawdry the whole Lincoln bedroom thing was back in 1998) to take on the GOP billionaires who just bought my state of NC.

Right. And I believe she’s ready for anything they’ll throw at her. I guess what it comes to I really don’t know what Hillary is going fight hard for. At the same time though, she I have no doubt would probably be the most political astute of the potential candidates because she’s been at this a long time now.

451 EdDantes  Nov 4, 2014 11:47:49pm

re: #446 palomino

You didn’t already know that?

No, I had to learn it from goddamnfrank.He knows everything.

452 klystron  Nov 4, 2014 11:48:39pm

re: #443 klystron

My county is being abysmally slow to report results. I want to see if our former mayor got elected to state assembly.

It’s looking good with about half the precincts in. But dear god, turnout was abysmal. Only 22%.

I laugh some because it looks like at least one of the town council members who was running for re-election has gotten bumped. Dear gentlemen, the call from the county Republican party endorsing you did not earn you any votes in this house. :)

453 palomino  Nov 4, 2014 11:49:18pm

re: #448 Aunty Entity Dragon

This argument is getting old

#justsaying

Which argument?

454 BeachDem  Nov 4, 2014 11:50:14pm

re: #444 palomino

Please be realistic. No one like Sanders is electable. Not only is he a self-described “democratic socialist” with far left views (which I happen to share), but he’s way too honest. He says what he thinks and much of it is anti-big business. He’s too far outside the mainstream of his own party. He’s like the good version of Ron Paul, if such a thing were possible.

Gillibrand, on the other hand, may be the real deal. I have a million doubts about Hillary. But I have one certainty that outweighs them all: she’s ready to roll. Plenty of fundraising prowess, flush with cash, lots of experience, tons of DC insider support, Bill at her side, etc etc. And she’s still voted the most admired woman in America practically every year. Definitely a formidable candidate. Put Gillibrand on the ticket with her and dare the gop to let their misogyny flow naturally like toxic waste into a (relatively) clean body of water.

What I bolded in your comment is why, although I’d ideally like somebody else, Hillary is the best shot at keeping a right-wing loon as far away from the White House as possible. I mentioned before hearing from a very connected Dem just last week that Biden won’t stand a chance of running because he can’t raise the money.

And I truly don’t think she’ll be caught flat-footed like last time. The Ready for Hillary PAC is relentlessly setting up a ground game, gathering names and raising money. They are at every Dem event and have a structure and a database that, if/when Hillary declares, can hit the ground running.

455 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 11:51:15pm

Looks like another squeaker here in Va. Man I can’t remember an election year that hasn’t had some kind of squeaker. Whether it was McDonnell’s election to AG, Webb beating Allen eight years ago, or Herring beating Obenshain by an eyelash last fall. This state is full of tight elections. Oh and Gillespie won by 456 votes in my county.

456 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 4, 2014 11:52:57pm
457 Justanotherhuman  Nov 4, 2014 11:53:15pm

re: #447 Aunty Entity Dragon

But that is always what ths was about. Reactionary fear and anger peddling to white voters who know things are not what they want them to be and need somebody to blame it on.

And so many voting against their real self-interest because of their own personal animosity toward race, gender, etc and rock-hard attitudes they’ll never change.

Plenty of fear out there, a lot of it petty fear, missing the big picture.

458 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 4, 2014 11:53:25pm

I think the most depressing thing for me out of all this is that there seems to be a significant percentage of Americans who do not want what the Republican Party says in plain English it wants do to to America, and yet they refuse to believe the GOP actually means it.

Perhaps this year will go down as the year Crazy went mainstream. The last few cycles, the GOP base nominated a couple goobers who said some crazy shit and lost because of it. This year, there were a couple loons who have openly espoused crazy shit - Joni Ernst comes to mind - and the Media didn’t seem to think it worthy of notice. So somebody who believes in Nullification gets elected in a state that went for Obama twice.

459 freetoken  Nov 4, 2014 11:54:16pm

re: #442 Justanotherhuman

I keep harping on this idea of worldview collapse.

In regards to this election (and the 2010 election), I believe we are seeing an emotional response to modernity.

By “modernity” I mean the full-monty of the post-industrial, post-Marx age: No God, No Baby Jesus, No Races (biologically, they’re just cultural conventions), Money is abstract (and certainly not gold), Humans are just apes who live in hierarchical tribes and not magical beings, Morality is not absolute … etc.

These are things which scare Americans.

These are things identified with the intellectual elite, of whom Barack Obama is one.

Maybe I’m a one track tape, and this is why I so often come back to creationism. But I really do believe our big-picture cultural issue is worldview collapse, and that those of us who are at least accepting (even if not over-joyed) with the new reality are finding it harder to communicate to those who are rejecting the new reality.

Go to a Joni Ernst rally and try to convince them that they are not special little angels of God but rather animals composed of a few trillions of cells, each one descended from ancient bacteria, and that life is a complex chemical process powered by the nuclear fusion of our local star, and not by some magical spirit imbued at the time of conception.

See how far you will get.

460 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 4, 2014 11:54:59pm

re: #456 NJDhockeyfan

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Except all that water would have been sucked over to the far side of the pond by the incredible tidal forces

461 klystron  Nov 4, 2014 11:56:14pm

re: #460 Blind Frog Ebola White

Except all that water would have been sucked over to the far side of the pond by the incredible tidal forces

Shhh, don’t bring science into this!

462 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 11:56:41pm

re: #458 Blind Frog Ebola White

I think the most depressing thing for me out of all this is that there seems to be a significant percentage of Americans who do not want what the Republican Party says in plain English it wants do to to America, and yet they refuse to believe the GOP actually means it.

Perhaps this year will go down as the year Crazy went mainstream. The last few cycles, the GOP base nominated a couple goobers who said some crazy shit and lost because of it. This year, there were a couple loons who have openly espoused crazy shit - Joni Ernst comes to mind - and the Media didn’t seem to think it worthy of notice. So somebody who believes in Nullification gets elected in a state that went for Obama twice.

I think that is what is bothering me the most tonight. Really I get disagreement with policy. That’s inevitable but as I got at earlier if you’re telling people that you find such and such issue important and yet you’re going around voting for someone who espouses the total opposite position on that issue? What the heck man. And you’re right, the media is to blame for a lot of this. I don’t expect Joe Voter to educate himself on all these candidates but it would be nice if the media reported what these candidates actually stand for. It would be nice if the media actually focused on the fact that many of these candidates were fringe lunatics but they love selling the “Both sides are just as responsible for our political problems” because they’re petrified of being called politically biased except when they do that, they become something worse than that.

463 palomino  Nov 4, 2014 11:56:50pm

re: #459 freetoken

I keep harping on this idea of worldview collapse.

In regards to this election (and the 2010 election), I believe we are seeing an emotional response to modernity.

By “modernity” I mean the full-monty of the post-industrial, post-Marx age: No God, No Baby Jesus, No Races (biologically, they’re just cultural conventions), Money is abstract (and certainly not gold), Humans are just apes who live in hierarchical tribes and not magical beings, Morality is not absolute … etc.

These are things which scare Americans.

These are things identified with the intellectual elite, of whom Barack Obama is one.

Maybe I’m a one track tape, and this is why I so often come back to creationism. But I really do believe our big-picture cultural issue is worldview collapse, and that those of us who are at least accepting (even if not over-joyed) with the new reality are finding it harder to communicate to those who are rejecting the new reality.

Go to a Joni Ernst rally and try to convince them that they are not special little angels of God but rather animals composed of a few trillions of cells, each one descended from ancient bacteria, and that life is a complex chemical process powered by the nuclear fusion of our local star, and not by some magical spirit imbued at the time of conception.

See how far you will get.

You’re absolutely right. And that’s in Iowa, which is a sort of blue state. The excessive religiosity of the US is really what sets it apart from the rest of the developed world. And not in a good way.

464 KiTA  Nov 4, 2014 11:57:12pm

Just got home from work.

On a scale from 0 to Everclear, how drunk do I need to get tonight?

465 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 11:58:10pm

re: #459 freetoken

I keep harping on this idea of worldview collapse.

In regards to this election (and the 2010 election), I believe we are seeing an emotional response to modernity.

By “modernity” I mean the full-monty of the post-industrial, post-Marx age: No God, No Baby Jesus, No Races (biologically, they’re just cultural conventions), Money is abstract (and certainly not gold), Humans are just apes who live in hierarchical tribes and not magical beings, Morality is not absolute … etc.

These are things which scare Americans.

These are things identified with the intellectual elite, of whom Barack Obama is one.

Maybe I’m a one track tape, and this is why I so often come back to creationism. But I really do believe our big-picture cultural issue is worldview collapse, and that those of us who are at least accepting (even if not over-joyed) with the new reality are finding it harder to communicate to those who are rejecting the new reality.

Go to a Joni Ernst rally and try to convince them that they are not special little angels of God but rather animals composed of a few trillions of cells, each one descended from ancient bacteria, and that life is a complex chemical process powered by the nuclear fusion of our local star, and not by some magical spirit imbued at the time of conception.

See how far you will get.

This is really good. Props.

466 EdDantes  Nov 4, 2014 11:58:33pm

re: #464 KiTA

Just got home from work.

On a scale from 0 to Everclear, how drunk do I need to get tonight?

If your a liberal, keep everclear near.

467 TedStriker  Nov 4, 2014 11:58:37pm

re: #464 KiTA

Just got home from work.

On a scale from 0 to Everclear, how drunk do I need to get tonight?

Bathtub gin…

468 BeachDem  Nov 4, 2014 11:58:49pm

Well, I’m going to go finish re-reading The Princess Bride for about the 1,000th time, and concentrate on the problems of Guilder and Florin.

Thanks all, for being political animals from the sane side of the street and for putting up with my foul language and mouthy opinions all night long.

469 HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2014 11:59:15pm

re: #464 KiTA

Just got home from work.

On a scale from 0 to Everclear, how drunk do I need to get tonight?

You don’t need to get drunk but a glass of your favorite stuff couldn’t hurt.

470 KiTA  Nov 4, 2014 11:59:18pm

Oh hell.

We’ve gone past Everclear and are approaching “Irish Shotgun Wedding” aren’t we?

471 Justanotherhuman  Nov 5, 2014 12:00:40am

re: #459 freetoken

I see the backlash every day when I pass the all white charter school which holds up traffic on the hwy as lakeside dwellers ferry their special snowflakes in expensive gas guzzlers.

Some animals are more equal than others, doncha know. ////

472 palomino  Nov 5, 2014 12:00:57am

re: #466 EdDantes

If your a liberal, keep everclear near.

Everclear is always nearby with us liberals. Just like heroin, cocaine, and 400 varieties of marijuana. It’s what we do all day with the hard earned white people money we steal by exploiting the welfare state.

Don’t you know anything about liberals?

473 klystron  Nov 5, 2014 12:01:31am

re: #472 palomino

Everclear is always nearby with us liberals. Just like heroin, cocaine, and 400 varieties of marijuana. It’s what we do all day with the hard earned white people money we steal by exploiting the welfare state.

Don’t you know anything about liberals?

About as much as he knows about grammar.

474 Cheechako  Nov 5, 2014 12:03:41am

Well it looks like another Democrat Senator, Mark Begich - AK, may go down to defeat. With about 75% of the vote tallied he’s down by 11,000 votes. Another Dem who tried to keep his distance from President Obama.

475 palomino  Nov 5, 2014 12:04:23am

Everybody, just relax. We’ll always have 2012, which is way bigger than this election, with Karl Rove pissing his pants on live TV about the election results in Ohio. And looking forward, since 2016 is a presidential year, we’ll have about 30 million more voters in the next election. That usually seems to do the trick.

476 teleskiguy  Nov 5, 2014 12:05:15am

re: #465 HappyWarrior

This is really good. Props.

freetoken’s been pissing me off!

/∞

477 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 5, 2014 12:05:18am

re: #466 EdDantes

If your a liberal, keep everclear near.

I prefer 18 year old Glenfiddich which I got by selling my Obama foodstamps and my Obama phone along with some HUD vouchers on the black market. So take that, jerb creators!

/////

478 HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2014 12:05:47am

re: #474 Cheechako

Well it looks like another Democrat Senator, Mark Begich - AK, may go down to defeat. With about 75% of the vote tallied he’s down by 11,000 votes. Another Den who tried to keep his distance from President Obama.

And yet another one who benefited from sharing the ballot with him six years ago. I mean it’s part of politics but I don’t blame Obama for being openly frustrated about it too. Many of these guys wouldn’t have gotten to the Senate if they hadn’t rode Obama’s wave six years ago. I mean I understand a little distancing but the way many of them outright ran away was cowardly.

479 EdDantes  Nov 5, 2014 12:05:58am

re: #472 palomino

Everclear is always nearby with us liberals. Just like heroin, cocaine, and 400 varieties of marijuana. It’s what we do all day with the hard earned white people money we steal by exploiting the welfare state.

Don’t you know anything about liberals?

I know all about liberals. I used to be one.

480 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 5, 2014 12:07:17am

re: #474 Cheechako

Well it looks like another Democrat Senator, Mark Begich - AK, may go down to defeat. With about 75% of the vote tallied he’s down by 11,000 votes. Another Den who tried to keep his distance from President Obama.

I am wondering if a lesson will be learned from this.

I doubt it though. Craven scampering seems to be baked into far too much of the Democratic party dna right now.

481 teleskiguy  Nov 5, 2014 12:07:17am

re: #479 EdDantes

I know all about liberals. I used to be one.

A David Horowitz-type. Nice.

482 EdDantes  Nov 5, 2014 12:07:26am

re: #477 Aunty Entity Dragon

It’s good that you have hobbies.

483 Justanotherhuman  Nov 5, 2014 12:08:03am

re: #474 Cheechako

Well it looks like another Democrat Senator, Mark Begich - AK, may go down to defeat. With about 75% of the vote tallied he’s down by 11,000 votes. Another Den who tried to keep his distance from President Obama.

Democrats who distanced themselves from Obama are paying a stiff price.

I think it kept a lot of people away from the polls. It certainly cost Kay Hagan her seat (and I consider her fairly center-right for a Dem), but she wasn’t beaten nearly as badly as Grimes, who I saw as cowardly on the subject.

484 EdDantes  Nov 5, 2014 12:08:27am

re: #481 teleskiguy

A David Horowitz-type. Nice.

No. He was a radical.

485 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 5, 2014 12:09:09am

re: #479 EdDantes

I know all about liberals. I used to be one.

I really find that unlikely.

In fact…I call utter bullshit. Shenanigans. Dingo’s kidneys.

486 teleskiguy  Nov 5, 2014 12:09:50am

re: #484 EdDantes

No. He was a radical.

He’s a radical now.

Whatever, dude. I’m happy that you’re happy about the election tonight. I say good day.

487 HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2014 12:09:58am

I don’t know about you guys but the GOTV didn’t seem as strong this year. Maybe it’s because they know our household is strong Dem now but I remember two years ago we had canvassers in the neighborhood. We did get the calls telling to go out and vote.

488 palomino  Nov 5, 2014 12:10:10am

re: #479 EdDantes

I know all about liberals. I used to be one.

So then you already know the drugs on the left hand side are way better.

You used to be a liberal? What happened? What trauma did you endure to turn you to the dark side?

489 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 5, 2014 12:11:22am

re: #482 EdDantes

It’s good that you have hobbies.

You have no idea.

Just wait untill Krager and I sacrifice you to Khorne.

Blood for the Blood God! Skulls for the Skull Throne!

490 HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2014 12:12:36am

re: #483 Justanotherhuman

Democrats who distanced themselves from Obama are paying a stiff price.

I think it kept a lot of people away from the polls. It certainly cost Kay Hagan her seat (and I consider her fairly center-right for a Dem), but she wasn’t beaten nearly as badly as Grimes, who I saw as cowardly on the subject.

Grimes was just the worst. Granted she was probably the least seasoned of all those. Hagan after all was a current Senator but the way Grimes ran away from being asked if she voted for Obama just really made her look bad I think in the eyes of pretty much everyone. I get that Kentucky is now on the presidential level especially a very Republican state but she could have handled that much more smart than she did.

491 EdDantes  Nov 5, 2014 12:14:28am

re: #485 Aunty Entity Dragon

I really find that unlikely.

In fact…I call utter bullshit. Shenanigans. Dingo’s kidneys.

In August of 1974 I march in an impeach Nixon rally in Eugene, Oregon.
I wrote in Eugene McCarthy in the 1976 presidential election: Jimmy Carter was too conservative.

492 TedStriker  Nov 5, 2014 12:14:36am

re: #481 teleskiguy

A David Horowitz-type. Nice.

Ed (and other conserva-Lizards, such as Dark) is just loving this and eating it up tonight, I’m sure.

493 HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2014 12:14:52am

I mean it’s a chicken-egg thing. I get annoyed at the politicians who hide when they’re called out and I get annoyed at voters who tell pollsters that they believe in such and such and think it’s an important issue yet vote for a candidate who espouses the total opposite pov.

494 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 5, 2014 12:16:52am

re: #483 Justanotherhuman

Democrats who distanced themselves from Obama are paying a stiff price.

I think it kept a lot of people away from the polls. It certainly cost Kay Hagan her seat (and I consider her fairly center-right for a Dem), but she wasn’t beaten nearly as badly as Grimes, who I saw as cowardly on the subject.

Hagan ran a good campaign. Scuttlebutt on MSNBC earlier was that social issues (marriage fer teh kweers) motivated GOP voters beyond what polls were suggesting since NC’s NO MARRIAGE FER YOU KWEER F*CKERS law got dumped by the SCOTUS last month and nothing riles up the local GOP like BLACK ROBED TYRANTS TELLIN’ US FOLKS WHAT TO DO!!!!

This is especially personal for me…since I actually spoke to Thom Tillis on the phone a couple of years ago and he was an insulting jackass about my marriage (I am a trans woman still married to my wife) and insisted that NC did not and never would recognize my marriage (no matter that for tax purposes and everything else…we were still being recognized)

495 teleskiguy  Nov 5, 2014 12:17:26am

A thousand votes. Out of 1.8 million votes cast.

See that little white county in the southwest corner? That’s San Juan County, in the middle of the very rugged San Juan Mountains. There’s only one town in San Juan County, Silverton (pop. 531 in the 2000 census).

496 TedStriker  Nov 5, 2014 12:17:28am

re: #491 EdDantes

In August of 1974 I march in an impeach Nixon rally in Eugene, Oregon.
I wrote in Eugene McCarthy in the 1976 presidential election: Jimmy Carter was too conservative.

Yeah, sounds like you were a raging pinko lib there, Ed…

///

497 EdDantes  Nov 5, 2014 12:17:39am

re: #488 palomino

So then you already know the drugs on the left hand side are way better.

You used to be a liberal? What happened? What trauma did you endure to turn you to the dark side?

I had to work for real. Jimmy Carter was president. I read some books. I got married, my liberalism was consumed by the reality of life.

498 blueraven  Nov 5, 2014 12:18:27am

Wheee…

Beauprez 47.7%
(845,641)

Hickenlooper 47.7%
(845,532)

89% reporting • Updated 2 minutes ago

extras.denverpost.com

499 HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2014 12:19:04am

re: #498 blueraven

Wheee…

Beauprez 47.7%
(845,641)

Hickenlooper 47.7%
(845,532)

89% reporting • Updated 2 minutes ago

extras.denverpost.com

That one’s even closer than VA-Senate.

500 klystron  Nov 5, 2014 12:20:32am

re: #492 TedStriker

Ed (and other conserva-Lizards, such as Dark) is just loving this and eating it up tonight, I’m sure.

Ed’s been a slow-motion flounce for a while. It’s no surprise that he chose tonight to pop back up.

501 EdDantes  Nov 5, 2014 12:20:51am

re: #496 TedStriker

Yeah, sounds like you were a raging pinko lib there, Ed…

///

Yeah, I was outa control!

502 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 5, 2014 12:21:05am

re: #491 EdDantes

In August of 1974 I march in an impeach Nixon rally in Eugene, Oregon.
I wrote in Eugene McCarthy in the 1976 presidential election: Jimmy Carter was too conservative.

You were a paleo-Marxist (but in a good way!) type who suddenly turned up on the right as a neocon a’la Horowitz (but he was a radical!)

yeahhhhhhhhhh.

503 teleskiguy  Nov 5, 2014 12:22:37am

re: #495 teleskiguy

Weird how the people that live at the place where I went heli-skiing for the first time might decide the Colorado gubernatorial election.

504 EdDantes  Nov 5, 2014 12:23:31am

re: #500 klystron

Ed’s been a slow-motion flounce for a while. It’s no surprise that he chose tonight to pop back up.

Actually, I was waiting for this night. I was hoping to learn something.

505 palomino  Nov 5, 2014 12:24:13am

re: #491 EdDantes

In August of 1974 I march in an impeach Nixon rally in Eugene, Oregon.
I wrote in Eugene McCarthy in the 1976 presidential election: Jimmy Carter was too conservative.

I think I really like this 1970’s Ed. Try to find him and let him put up a few posts.

506 Justanotherhuman  Nov 5, 2014 12:24:50am

re: #497 EdDantes

I had to work for real. Jimmy Carter was president. I read some books. I got married, my liberalism was consumed by the reality of life.

That wasn’t “liberalism”, it was idealism.

507 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 5, 2014 12:25:25am

Gonna try to go back to bed. Not going to screw around with schoolwork tomorrow. I’ll recalibrate my Robespierre PP presentation on thursday to get it under 7 minutes and do my peer review paper reads. Maybe see Interstellar on Friday. Leave politics alone for a bit.

If nothing else..remember that we aren’t France in September 1793.

It can always be worse.

508 HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2014 12:25:52am

re: #503 teleskiguy

Weird how the people that live at the place where I went heli-skiing for the first time might decide the Colorado gubernatorial election.

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Hey the county I grew up in (granted Fairfax County is super large) determined the election here. Well it’s not official yet but Warner’s up by a half percent and as I’ve said, I’ve seen others concede here with tighter deficits.

509 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 5, 2014 12:26:22am

re: #505 palomino

I think I really like this 1970’s Ed. Try to find him and let him put up a few posts.

LMAO! Win!

510 HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2014 12:29:09am

Wanted to say that I appreciate those who tried to talk some sense into PTL tonight. Know the guy can be frustrating especially when he’s getting hyperbolic but I guess I have a little empathy for the kid given we’re close to the same age and I’m on the spectrum as well but I do wish he’d try to calm down. Hate to single someone out but that comment about pogroms really grated me. It’s one thing to be legitimately concerned about extremism and it’s another to repeat the same nutty rhetoric we’ve seen from the otherside.

511 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 5, 2014 12:30:35am

Since I’ve started paying attention to the US politics, I have seen at least two waves of Democratic jubilations over the supposed death of the GOP. The first one was, I think, around 2008. The other one was not so long ago - GOPosaurus, TP will kill the GOP, etc. People never learn.

512 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 5, 2014 12:30:49am

re: #504 EdDantes

Actually, I was waiting for this night. I was hoping to learn something.

No. You wanted to troll. We fed you a bit, but now you have become tiresome and annoying like most trolls when they are fed and encouraged.

One of your team players had this to say about feeding:

South Carolina Lt. Governor Andre Bauer, who hopes to succeed fellow Republican Mark Sanford as his state’s governor, drew a comparison between government help for poor people and “feeding stray animals” - who, he noted, “breed.”

“My grandmother was not a highly educated woman, but she told me as a small child to quit feeding stray animals,” Bauer said during a town hall meeting, as the Greenville News reported over the weekend. “You know why? Because they breed. You’re facilitating the problem if you give an animal or a person ample food supply. They will reproduce, especially ones that don’t think too much further than that. And so what you’ve got to do is you’ve got to curtail that type of behavior. They don’t know any better.”

513 palomino  Nov 5, 2014 12:31:40am

re: #497 EdDantes

I had to work for real. Jimmy Carter was president. I read some books. I got married, my liberalism was consumed by the reality of life.

Funny, I’ve done all the same stuff but I moved from far right (big Reagan fan, member of College Repubs, etc) to pretty far left. I think the move started once I graduated college and lived in different parts of the US and London. I started to realize that there was actually a world out there far less sterile and far more tolerant than the all-white knee jerk reactionary suburbs of Houston.

514 palomino  Nov 5, 2014 12:32:18am

re: #504 EdDantes

Actually, I was waiting for this night. I was hoping to learn something.

And? What did you learn?

515 HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2014 12:32:43am

re: #511 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Since I’ve started paying attention to the US politics, I have seen at least two waves of Democratic jubilations over the supposed death of the GOP. The first one was, I think, around 2005. The other one was not so long ago - GOPosaurus, TP will kill the GOP, etc. People never learn.

If you take one lesson from following our politics, never believe anyone who writes off a political party as dead. Never. If the Republicans cane come back in 1952 after 20 years out of the WH and being the party blamed for the Depression, any party can come back. Parties evolve. You’re thinking of 2006 though. 2005 was a harbinger though for that since you had two Dems elected governor.

516 EdDantes  Nov 5, 2014 12:34:07am

re: #506 Justanotherhuman

That wasn’t “liberalism”, it was idealism.

Yes, I was an idealist but I was also a liberal. That is I believed in individual liberty.

517 klystron  Nov 5, 2014 12:34:41am

I have painkiller fuzzed memories of 2006 because I was in the hospital for election day, having my appendix removed.

I was vaguely conscious by the time evening results were rolling in.

518 teleskiguy  Nov 5, 2014 12:35:23am

OY! It’s going down as the closest gubernatorial election in Colorado history.

519 HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2014 12:36:04am

re: #518 teleskiguy

OY! It’s going down as the closest gubernatorial election in Colorado history.

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What’s the unaffiliated candidate’s story?

520 EdDantes  Nov 5, 2014 12:36:05am

re: #512 Aunty Entity Dragon

Interesting.

521 RadicalModerate  Nov 5, 2014 12:37:28am

re: #491 EdDantes

In August of 1974 I march in an impeach Nixon rally in Eugene, Oregon.
I wrote in Eugene McCarthy in the 1976 presidential election: Jimmy Carter was too conservative.

So, you marched in August 1974, after the “smoking gun” tape was released where you could count on one hand the number of people in the country who didn’t want to see him impeached.

Let me guess - you switched over as a result of Reagan’s implementation of the Southern Strategy, didn’t you?

522 teleskiguy  Nov 5, 2014 12:37:54am

re: #519 HappyWarrior

What’s the unaffiliated candidate’s story?

That’s the story of knuckleheads throwing their votes away, over 75,000 of them.

523 Justanotherhuman  Nov 5, 2014 12:38:35am

Hard to believe that Tillis beat Hagan by almost 50K votes.

This is the guy who, as Speaker of the House here, pushed NC back into the 1950s with the Republicans’ reactionary legislation.

Next election, for instance, we’ll have to have picture IDs to vote. I’ll be 75, and I’ve never needed one, ever.

524 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 5, 2014 12:38:37am

re: #515 HappyWarrior

I can’t really remember the year anymore, only that I saw “GOP is dead” repeated over and over. Might have been 2008.

525 HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2014 12:39:53am

re: #524 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

I can’t really remember the year anymore, only that I saw “GOP is dead” repeated over and over. Might have been 2008.

Probably 2008. There was a lot of naivete on the left that night.

526 EdDantes  Nov 5, 2014 12:41:08am

re: #514 palomino

And? What did you learn?

That some of you can accept a different point of view without reflexively resorting to contumely and xenophobia.

527 Justanotherhuman  Nov 5, 2014 12:41:35am

re: #522 teleskiguy

That’s the story of knuckleheads throwing their votes away, over 75,000 of them.

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108K in NC threw away their vote on a Libertarian who didn’t have a chance of a fart in a wind storm.

528 HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2014 12:41:41am

re: #522 teleskiguy

That’s the story of knuckleheads throwing their votes away, over 75,000 of them.

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Ha for sure. Hope all goes well though. Sucks about Gardner winning though.

529 palomino  Nov 5, 2014 12:41:54am

re: #516 EdDantes

Yes, I was an idealist but I was also a liberal. That is I believed in individual liberty.

Then aren’t you still a liberal? Or did you stop believing in individual liberty?

530 palomino  Nov 5, 2014 12:44:11am

re: #526 EdDantes

That some of you can accept a different point of view without reflexively resorting to contumely and xenophobia.

What are some examples of the xenophobia you’ve witnessed here tonight?

531 teleskiguy  Nov 5, 2014 12:44:12am

Cannabis is now legal in Colorado, Washington, Oregon, Alaska, and Washington, D.C.

532 HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2014 12:45:40am

If these third parties were more savvy, they’d stop being so absolutist and would work on getting themselves elected locally. Someone pointed out tonight that Sarvis was the first Libertarian candidate ever to win a county. For a party that’s been around a long time, that’s really pathetic.

533 HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2014 12:46:46am

re: #531 teleskiguy

Cannabis is now legal in Colorado, Washington, Oregon, Alaska, and Washington, D.C.

D.C well they did back in the late spring got rid of their crooked mayor too.

534 EdDantes  Nov 5, 2014 12:48:28am

re: #529 palomino

Then aren’t you still a liberal? Or did you stop believing in individual liberty?

I am still a classical liberal. I believe in individual liberty just as the founders did. Liberalism today is more in line with the early 20th century progressive ism of Roosevelt, Wilson and Roosevelt who put the state above the individual.

535 teleskiguy  Nov 5, 2014 12:49:56am
536 EdDantes  Nov 5, 2014 12:50:16am

re: #530 palomino

What are some examples of the xenophobia you’ve witnessed here tonight?

I have seen none,

537 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 5, 2014 12:54:31am

re: #534 EdDantesZ

IOW you drank the GOP kool-aid and think you’ll be able to get rich if they’d just stop punishing the rich. Reagan stole many souls with his pretend smile and that big lie.

538 palomino  Nov 5, 2014 12:55:30am

re: #534 EdDantes

I am still a classical liberal. I believe in individual liberty just as the founders did. Liberalism today is more in line with the early 20th century progressive ism of Roosevelt, Wilson and Roosevelt who put the state above the individual.

Jeez, you sound like Rick Perry or Glenn Beck. “America went off the rails over 100 years ago, well before FDR and the New Deal.”

Sorry, but it’s a bit late to turn back the clock to the 1890’s.

539 palomino  Nov 5, 2014 12:57:07am

re: #537 William Barnett-Lewis

Z

IOW you drank the GOP kool-aid and think you’ll be able to get rich if they’d just stop punishing the rich. Reagan stole many souls with his pretend smile and that big lie.

“Pastor” Joel Osteen does the same thing, with just a little more God thrown in.

540 EdDantes  Nov 5, 2014 12:57:34am

re: #537 William Barnett-Lewis

I have know idea what that means so I plead ignorance.

541 HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2014 12:59:05am

Well the other thing is that individual liberty as conceived by the founders was something only limited to landowning white males. Individual liberty actually has increased due to progressivism since more can and do participate in our republic. And frankly I think the classical liberals did not understand other liberties like the right to be able to join a labor union without being harassed for it or worst violently repressed. So frankly the Progressive Era did more for individual liberty than I think the classical liberal era of the 19th century ever did. What the classical liberal era did was lay a foundation down.

542 EdDantes  Nov 5, 2014 12:59:28am

re: #538 palomino

Jeez, you sound like Rick Perry or Glenn Beck. “America went off the rails over 100 years ago, well before FDR and the New Deal.”

Sorry, but it’s a bit late to turn back the clock to the 1890’s.

Unfortunately it is. So we all have to deal with the reality of big government.

543 blueraven  Nov 5, 2014 12:59:50am

Hickenlooper takes the lead

Hickenlooper
47.8%
(863,888)

Beauprez
47.6%
(861,007)

90% reporting • Updated 2 minutes ago

544 Justanotherhuman  Nov 5, 2014 12:59:52am

re: #534 EdDantes

I am still a classical liberal. I believe in individual liberty just as the founders did. Liberalism today is more in line with the early 20th century progressive ism of Roosevelt, Wilson and Roosevelt who put the state above the individual.

“Individual liberty” as the “founders” believed actually resulted in the “state” having to ensure that every single individual actually experienced it.

Societal bias is hard to overcome for too many of us when laws aren’t passed which prevent discrimination. The State does this well, especially at the Federal level.

Otherwise, we’d still have slavery, most women still at home, and a class system reminiscent of the times.

The founders, after all, were the creme de la creme of the colonial world, not your average person who had to fight for the basics of life.

545 klystron  Nov 5, 2014 12:59:57am

re: #540 EdDantes

I have know idea what that means so I plead ignorance.

Quoted for beauty.

546 EdDantes  Nov 5, 2014 1:03:45am

re: #545 klystron

re: #545 klystron

Quoted for beauty.

Also quote the statement that prompted my reply:
“IOW you drank the GOP kool-aid and think you’ll be able to get rich if they’d just stop punishing the rich. Reagan stole many souls with his pretend smile and that big lie.”

547 EdDantes  Nov 5, 2014 1:05:42am

I will back out of here for now lest I be accused of trolling. You all may resume grooming each other.

548 klystron  Nov 5, 2014 1:06:43am

Anyway, Lizards, time for me to go find my rock. Tomorrow will be yet another day, full of derp, and yet life goes on. My former mayor looks to be heading to Sacramento, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see him running for Congress in a few years.

Also, LOL.

549 EdDantes  Nov 5, 2014 1:07:04am

By the way, the Republicans have the senate!

550 palomino  Nov 5, 2014 1:07:06am

re: #542 EdDantes

Unfortunately it is. So we all have to deal with the reality of big government.

It’s not that important to me that the US hold on to its status as the world’s superpower. I don’t dream of a perpetual unipolar world.

But make no mistake. It’s because of big government that we are the world’s superpower.

551 KiTA  Nov 5, 2014 1:12:01am

re: #549 EdDantes

By the way, the Republicans have the senate!

And they guaranteed that Hillary will win in 2016. So?

552 EdDantes  Nov 5, 2014 1:16:31am

re: #551 KiTA

And they guaranteed that Hillary will win in 2016. So?

No They not guaranteed that Hillary win in 2016. What?

553 palomino  Nov 5, 2014 1:20:38am

re: #549 EdDantes

By the way, the Republicans have the senate!

Hey, who called this guy a troll? How dare anyone question his integrity and sincerity. Somewhere in the universe he’s a very respected man.

554 EdDantes  Nov 5, 2014 1:23:29am

re: #553 palomino

Hey, who called this guy a troll? How dare anyone question his integrity and sincerity. Somewhere in the universe he’s a very respected man.

As are you, sir.

555 palomino  Nov 5, 2014 1:23:44am

re: #552 EdDantes

No They not guaranteed that Hillary win in 2016. What?

He’s predicting unpopular Republican overreach in Congress, which would give Hillary another weapon to use against the gop.

556 KiTA  Nov 5, 2014 1:25:19am

re: #555 palomino

He’s predicting unpopular Republican overreach in Congress, which would give Hillary another weapon to use against the gop.

I’m also predicting this will wake up the Dems, again, and make them actually turn out in 2016.

557 EdDantes  Nov 5, 2014 1:26:10am

re: #555 palomino

Ah, thank you for the translation .More power to her.

558 palomino  Nov 5, 2014 1:26:38am

re: #554 EdDantes

As are you, sir.

You gotta admit you’re being a troll. No offense, but rubbing it in on a left leaning website is a dick move. OK, I guess offense intended.

559 Justanotherhuman  Nov 5, 2014 1:26:49am

I dread watching the news this am. And I’m not going to watch Morning Slow gloat.

And I don’t get this, from the voters: In every case, raising the minimum wage was approved by voters, as was legalizing marijuana.

But then, Republicans were elected in those states.

560 Justanotherhuman  Nov 5, 2014 1:33:24am

Keep calm and carry on, Lizards!

Later. : )

We have a lot of work to do.

561 EdDantes  Nov 5, 2014 1:34:18am

re: #558 palomino

You gotta admit you’re being a troll. No offense, but rubbing it in on a left leaning website is a dick move. OK, I guess offense intended.

No I am not a troll. I have been very careful about that after I was accused of that a few months ago. I did not post here tonight to disrupt the discussion regarding the mid terms and I don’t believe I have. If I have displayed troll-like behavior it was not intentional. I am just here to be a counter-point to what is normally posted.

562 palomino  Nov 5, 2014 1:34:20am

re: #559 Justanotherhuman

I dread watching the news this am. And I’m not going to watch Morning Slow gloat.

And I don’t get this, from the voters: In every case, raising the minimum wage was approved by voters, as was legalizing marijuana.

But then, Republicans were elected in those states.

It doesn’t make sense because a lot of voters don’t vote rationally. They vote on emotion or they follow what seems to be the prevailing mood—these are the typical swing voters. So even though they agree with Dems on certain issues, they voted gop this time because they’re generally dissatisfied with everything, and the Dems are in power so they take the blame. It’s essentially like a pendulum that swings back and forth in 6, 8, 10 year cycles.

563 palomino  Nov 5, 2014 1:37:19am

re: #561 EdDantes

No I am not a troll. I have been very careful about that after I was accused of that a few months ago. I did not post here tonight to disrupt the discussion regarding the mid terms and I don’t believe I have. If I have displayed troll-like behavior it was not intentional. I am just here to be a counter-point to what is normally posted.

Fair enough. And I agree that you’re not aesthetically out of bounds. But you’re rubbing it in a little, and that’s a little bit trollish.

564 EdDantes  Nov 5, 2014 1:41:01am

re: #563 palomino

Fair enough. And I agree that you’re not aesthetically out of bounds. But you’re rubbing it in a little, and that’s a little bit trollish.

Ok. I was a little bit exuberant on the republicans regaining the senate but that’s not trolling is it?

565 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 5, 2014 1:42:02am

re: #497 EdDantes

I had to work for real. Jimmy Carter was president. I read some books. I got married, my liberalism was consumed by the reality of life.

I did all those same things, and remained a liberal Democrat. So, there must have been some other formative experience that convinced you to become a conservative.

Maybe you read the wrong books.

566 freetoken  Nov 5, 2014 1:42:17am

Total number of people registered in San Diego: 1,546,924 (which is less than half the population, btw.)

Total voted in the county for governor:
NEEL KASHKARI - REP 250236 50.02%
EDMUND JERRY BROWN - DEM 249995 49.98%
total votes: 500,231

Turnout: 32.3%

So much for democracy.

Brown won statewide, of course. But in the last election he won San Diego county, this time he lost by a tiny bit.

Turnout matters.

567 EdDantes  Nov 5, 2014 1:44:52am

re: #565 wheat-dogghazi-bola

I did all those same things, and remained a liberal Democrat. So, there must have been some other formative experience that convinced you to become a conservative.

Maybe you read the wrong books.

No, I read the right books and voted for Reagen in ‘80 and ‘84.

568 freetoken  Nov 5, 2014 1:46:00am

91% reporting
John Hickenlooper (Dem) 47.9% (878,078)
Bob Beauprez (GOP) 47.5% (870,049)

Well, at least there is hope in CO?

569 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 5, 2014 1:48:08am

re: #567 EdDantes

No, I read the right books and voted for Reagen in ‘80 and ‘84.

That’s a big swing, from Gene McCarthy to Ronnie. What books?

570 Apocalypse  Nov 5, 2014 1:53:20am

re: #569 wheat-dogghazi-bola

The Turner Diaries is my Guess for one of them.

571 freetoken  Nov 5, 2014 1:55:30am

This seems appropriate:

MP3 Audio

572 EdDantes  Nov 5, 2014 1:55:59am

re: #569 wheat-dogghazi-bola

One was The coming stock market crash and Crisis Investing, the road to serfdom, the conscience of a conservative and others.

573 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 5, 2014 1:56:27am

re: #570 Apocalypse

The Turner Diaries is my Guess for one of them.

I’m genuinely curious, because I have never read a book, or even two books, that convinced me to throw out my entire worldview and adopt another 180° from it.

574 EdDantes  Nov 5, 2014 1:58:09am

re: #570 Apocalypse

The Turner Diaries is my Guess for one of them.

That is a knee slapper! I am laughing over that one. You are clever!

575 EdDantes  Nov 5, 2014 2:01:33am

re: #573 wheat-dogghazi-bola

I’m genuinely curious, because I have never read a book, or even two books, that convinced me to throw out my entire worldview and adopt another 180° from it.

Neither have I. Sometimes a confluence of books and life can change the course you are on. Ask Charles Johnson about what can change your world view 180 degrees.

576 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 5, 2014 2:01:48am

re: #572 EdDantes

One was The coming stock market crash and Crisis Investing, the road to serfdom, the conscience of a conservative and others.

Interesting selections: Casey, Hayek and Goldwater. Who wrote the first one? People have been predicting a stock market crash for decades, but no one seemed to see the 2006-2008 crash even while it was happening.

Gee, who was president then?

577 freetoken  Nov 5, 2014 2:01:54am

re: #572 EdDantes

the conscience of a conservative and others.

Oh yes, that one:

The book was ghostwritten by L. Brent Bozell Jr., brother-in-law of William F. Buckley.[1] Bozell and Buckley had been members of Yale’s debate team. They had co-authored the controversial book, McCarthy and His Enemies, in 1955.

Bozell, the guy who tried to mainline R.J. Rushdoony (grandfather of the Dominonists).

And Barry Goldwater, who was against the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

These are the ones whom you follow.

578 Apocalypse  Nov 5, 2014 2:03:35am

re: #573 wheat-dogghazi-bola

I would be too, but I’m having a hard believing the face value of what Ed has written.

579 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 5, 2014 2:04:30am

re: #575 EdDantes

Neither have I. Sometimes a confluence of books and life can change the course you are on. Ask Charles Johnson about what can change your world view 180 degrees.

Charles, by his own admission, became appalled at the stubborn anti-science, xenophobic nuttery and bigotry of so-called conservatives. I doubt it was books alone that convinced him to see the light of day.

Goldwater nowadays would be considered a RINO, I suspect. He in turn would probably be appalled at the religious right and John Birch elements being allowed to take control of the GOP message.

580 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 5, 2014 2:10:04am

Ed Dantes fell into the conservatarian echo chamber. It’s no wonder he voted for Ronald Reagan not once, but twice. The economy sank during Reagan’s administration, rose during Clinton’s, fell during Bush the Younger’s, rose during Obama’s. I’ve forgotten how the economy did during Bush the Elder’s term in office.

Yet somehow the GOP is the better economic choice. Color me puzzled.

581 EdDantes  Nov 5, 2014 2:10:05am

re: #576 wheat-dogghazi-bola

Interesting selections: Casey, Hayek and Goldwater. Who wrote the first one? People have been predicting a stock market crash for decades, but no one seemed to see the 2006-2008 crash even while it was happening.

Gee, who was president then?

Actually, I did based on what I read in those books. I knew that real estate prices were far in excess of the local economy and were due for a major correction. Yes, bush should have seen it coming but he didn’t.

582 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 5, 2014 2:10:31am

re: #567 EdDantes

No, I read the right books and voted for Reagen in ‘80 and ‘84.

re: #570 Apocalypse

The Turner Diaries is my Guess for one of them.

No, I doubt that one. My guess is Ayn Rand an the various pseudo-economics texts by Friedman et al that pushed the falsehoods of Ronnie’s perversion of economics dressed up in Adam Smith’s clothes. As I said above that man destroyed a lot of souls with his evil and Iies. It would appear that Ed was of them.

583 palomino  Nov 5, 2014 2:11:53am

re: #566 freetoken

Total number of people registered in San Diego: 1,546,924 (which is less than half the population, btw.)

Total voted in the county for governor:
NEEL KASHKARI - REP 250236 50.02%
EDMUND JERRY BROWN - DEM 249995 49.98%
total votes: 500,231

Turnout: 32.3%

So much for democracy.

Brown won statewide, of course. But in the last election he won San Diego county, this time he lost by a tiny bit.

Turnout matters.

Absolutely. If 500,000 is the final number, it’s barely half of the 2012 turnout of 950,000 for SD County.

584 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 5, 2014 2:12:20am

re: #581 EdDantes

Actually, I did based on what I read in those books. I knew that real estate prices were far in excess of the local economy and were due for a major correction. Yes, bush should have seen it coming but he didn’t.

And John McCain was one of the participants (the Keating Five) in that real estate debacle. I assume you supported his candidacy in 2008.

585 EdDantes  Nov 5, 2014 2:14:10am

re: #580 wheat-dogghazi-bola

Interesting.

586 EdDantes  Nov 5, 2014 2:15:23am

re: #584 wheat-dogghazi-bola

I did by default.

587 Apocalypse  Nov 5, 2014 2:15:24am

re: #582 William Barnett-Lewis

I’m being sarcastic about Turner, given it came out in ‘78.

588 EdDantes  Nov 5, 2014 2:16:22am

Good night all.

589 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 5, 2014 2:16:29am

re: #585 EdDantes

Interesting.

Yes it is, since you support Republicans while reading about benefiting from financial crises, some of which were caused by those same Republicans.

590 palomino  Nov 5, 2014 2:17:14am

re: #581 EdDantes

Actually, I did based on what I read in those books. I knew that real estate prices were far in excess of the local economy and were due for a major correction. Yes, bush should have seen it coming but he didn’t.

It was pretty obvious here in L.A. Realtors all over were telling every prospective buyer they’d see 15-20% increase in home values year after year. Four seconds of basic math tells you that’s impossible. Fortunately we bought our house before the peak and, this being L.A., property values have fully rebounded.

591 palomino  Nov 5, 2014 2:21:04am

re: #580 wheat-dogghazi-bola

Ed Dantes fell into the conservatarian echo chamber. It’s no wonder he voted for Ronald Reagan not once, but twice. The economy sank during Reagan’s administration, rose during Clinton’s, fell during Bush the Younger’s, rose during Obama’s. I’ve forgotten how the economy did during Bush the Elder’s term in office.

Yet somehow the GOP is the better economic choice. Color me puzzled.

I was also in such an echo chamber. I only voted for Reagan once, but that was because I wasn’t old enough yet to vote for him the first election. The GOP is the “better economic choice” at the moment. They certainly weren’t in 2008, one of the reasons Obama’s victory was so large. The swing voters are fickle and not necessarily well informed. So their view of the better economic choice ebbs and flows.

592 freetoken  Nov 5, 2014 2:24:46am

If a dancer does not dance, is she a dancer?
If a singer does not sing, is he a singer?
If a seamstress does not sew, is she a seamstress?

If a people do not vote, is it a democracy?

593 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 5, 2014 2:28:54am

re: #534 EdDantes

I am still a classical liberal. I believe in individual liberty just as the founders did. Liberalism today is more in line with the early 20th century progressive ism of Roosevelt, Wilson and Roosevelt who put the state above the individual.

Then how can you support the GOP, which is against individual liberties?
It’s against the women’s liberty to control their bodies. It’s against the liberty of people marrying regardless of gender. It’s against the religious liberty of having any faith or none without the state pushing some other faith on you.

594 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 5, 2014 2:34:40am

As one of the 20th centuries greatest poets said “some people like to go out dancing, other people, they have to work.”

My busy period starts now. Ed, i hope someday that you are to repent of the wrongs you willingly up. May God have mercy and bless and.

595 Chrysicat  Nov 5, 2014 2:37:18am

re: #527 Justanotherhuman

Yeah, well, when they’re throwing it at a Libertarian, it’s probably better than the alternative. They’d probably vote their ‘economic interest’ and elect the R if there were no Libertarian option. These are crypto-conservatives, not closet liberals, here. After all, the Dems already offer them all the social-libertarian power anyway.

596 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Nov 5, 2014 3:08:52am

Jesus fuck, Illinois! Rauner? Really?!

597 Shiplord Kirel  Nov 5, 2014 3:13:59am

Unless it is 9-11 or Sandy Hook truthers with whom you are disagreeing, in which case you are morally obligated to urinate on them from a great height and poke them with sticks.

598 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 5, 2014 3:25:21am

re: #575 EdDantes

Neither have I. Sometimes a confluence of books and life can change the course you are on. Ask Charles Johnson about what can change your world view 180 degrees.

I embrace a lot of conservative values: self-reliance and individual initiative, free markets, etc…

But I don’t see how we expect individuals and families with limited income and resources to negotiate in a free market on an equal basis with multi-billion-dollar international corporations for terms of employment, insurance or financial services.

I believe that if we want young people to be responsible for their bodies, then we need to provide them with all the information they need to make adult decisions, even if that information conflicts with our ideological or religious beliefs.

And that is where I part ways with modern conservatism,.

599 Lidane  Nov 5, 2014 3:35:08am
600 thedopefishlives  Nov 5, 2014 4:08:50am

Morning Lizardim from the solidly blue wild north country. I see that the Republicans have their long-sought victory; I only wish I could see the looks on their faces when they realize that the deadlock has only shifted from the Senate to the President’s desk. Have they started in about their mandate to repeal the ACA yet? How go things among the lizardfolk on this Red Wednesday?

601 Ebolangelus  Nov 5, 2014 4:18:41am

I’d say good morning folks, but woke up, refreshed the browser pages before work and saw the heavy stream of Ynet news commenters celebrating how “Obamba (Israeli equivalent of Obummer) the Radical Muslim” just got humiliated and crushed, so I’m guessing all is not well for Democrats right now… :/
Hope the day is well for the rest of ya!

602 Ebolangelus  Nov 5, 2014 4:21:04am

…. and seems like I jinxed it, day just got worse here :

Ynet: Terror attack in Jerusalem kills 1, terrorist shot dead

A van rammed into a group of pedestrians waiting for Jerusalem’s Light Rail, killing one person and wounding a number of others, in what seems to be an additional terror attack on Wednesday. The suspected terrorist was identified as a Hamas operative from East Jerusalem.

According to the police a “a vehicle struck a number of people in Jerusalem. Emergency units (are) at two scenes treating injured.”

603 thedopefishlives  Nov 5, 2014 4:21:50am

re: #601 Ebolangelus

I’d say good morning folks, but woke up, refreshed the browser pages before work and saw the heavy stream of Ynet news commenters celebrating how “Obamba (Israeli equivalent of Obummer) the Radical Muslim” just got humiliated and crushed, so I’m guessing all is not well for Democrats right now… :/
Hope the day is well for the rest of ya!

The thing is, that’s not really a logical deduction at this point. Many Democrat campaigners distanced themselves from Obama, while the Republicans embraced the suck and campaigned on an anti-Obama platform. So really, it’s kind of apples and oranges; the two sides weren’t really campaigning on the same issues. I’m not sure what conclusions we can draw other than that Republicans seem to be very good at drawing in suckers.

604 Ebolangelus  Nov 5, 2014 4:27:35am

re: #603 theEbolafishlives

Actually, going through the vile comments really shows how little so many Israelis understand US politics; among the things they believe (along with how Obama really is a Kenyan Muslim extremist out to destroy the West to the point that makes RWNJs seem tame) is the notion that the defeat means Obama is somehow supposed to abandon the White House as if he lost a Presidential election, or not be allowed to do anything until 2016.

What’s bad is the level of toxic hate I see there and the self-supporting reinforcement it gets, and unlike here where it’s limited to one side of the political debate, it’s disturbingly common, along with the notion that everything bad that’s happened to Israel since 2008 is all Obama’s fault…

605 A Mom Anon  Nov 5, 2014 4:28:40am

I cannot bear to look at all the Georgia results but from a brief glance it looks like every freaking republican that ran won. Great. I don’t want to hear a FUCKING word from my pet wingnuts when things get even worse. Nathan Deal, who left congress to avoid a corruption investigation and has helped lead the state in being 49th in unemployment ran on a platform of being the best state to do business in and won. I guess because people hate Jimmy Carter’s grandson that much. From what I can tell all the dems will be gone in January. GA wingnuts need to stfu when it gets worse. I will kick someone in the shins repeatedly if I hear one word. Also too, dems did not show up but wingnuts sure the hell did, I was surrounded by them yesterday running their yappy mouths about how they had this election in the bag. Yay for them, now call your newly elected officials and tell them to read some books about how they’re supposed to do their fucking jobs because I doubt most of them even know.

606 Dr. Matt  Nov 5, 2014 4:30:08am

The complete and utter apathy of Democratic voters continues to amaze me. The modern GOP is a completely horrendous, vile, and despicable. They are so far right and extreme; they reject facts, reality, and science, and placate societies’ lowest common denominator with racist dog whistles, fears about religious persecution, and fears about gun grabbing. The GOP has spent the last 6 years attempting to personally and professionally destroy this country because they refuse to acknowledge our President. Now, the apathetic Dems played right into the hands of the vile GOP and will let them continue to wreak havoc on this country and the Democratic Party. Enjoy the ride, you get what you deserve.

607 Dr. Matt  Nov 5, 2014 4:32:58am

Sums it up,

608 Timothy Watson  Nov 5, 2014 4:34:45am

re: #604 Ebolangelus

Actually, going through the vile comments really shows how little so many Israelis understand US politics; among the things they believe (along with how Obama really is a Kenyan Muslim extremist out to destroy the West to the point that makes RWNJs seem tame) is the notion that the defeat means Obama is somehow supposed to abandon the White House as if he lost a Presidential election, or not be allowed to do anything until 2016.

What’s bad is the level of toxic hate I see there and the self-supporting reinforcement it gets, and unlike here where it’s limited to one side of the political debate, it’s disturbingly common, along with the notion that everything bad that’s happened to Israel since 2008 is all Obama’s fault…

Presidential constitutional republics, how the fuck do those work?

And people in the world complain about Americans not knowing about comparative governmental systems.

609 Dr. Matt  Nov 5, 2014 4:40:15am

Slightly better news, Bob Seger is going on tour again: ticketmaster.com

:)

610 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 5, 2014 4:48:44am

re: #608 Timothy Watson

Presidential constitutional republics, how the fuck do those work?

And people in the world complain about Americans not knowing about comparative governmental systems.

It is tricky, in a parliamentary system, a Chancellor has to have a majority to rule in the first place.

611 sffilk  Nov 5, 2014 4:49:14am

I mainly voted Libertarian. My neighbors who voted Democratic were telling me that a vote for a Libertarian was a vote for the Republicans. I disagreed. It turns out that even if I had voted Democratic, my vote wouldn’t have made a bit of difference because the difference between the # of votes for the Republican vs. the # of votes for the Democrat exceeded the # of votes the Libertarian received in those races where there were 3 candidates.

Oh, and I did not stay up to watch the results. I figured my health was more important than seeing who won and who lost.

612 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 5, 2014 4:51:11am

re: #611 sffilk

I mainly voted Libertarian. My neighbors who voted Democratic were telling me that a vote for a Libertarian was a vote for the Republicans. I disagreed. It turns out that even if I had voted Democratic, my vote wouldn’t have made a bit of difference because the difference between the # of votes for the Republican vs. the # of votes for the Democrat exceeded the # of votes the Libertarian received in those races where there were 3 candidates.

On the other hand, what is the point of voting for a candidate who has no chance of winning?

613 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 5, 2014 4:53:16am

re: #611 sffilk

I mainly voted Libertarian. My neighbors who voted Democratic were telling me that a vote for a Libertarian was a vote for the Republicans. I disagreed. It turns out that even if I had voted Democratic, my vote wouldn’t have made a bit of difference because the difference between the # of votes for the Republican vs. the # of votes for the Democrat exceeded the # of votes the Libertarian received in those races where there were 3 candidates.

So basically you wasted a vote, because no Libertarian candidate got elected. Sharp thinking there.

614 Flounder  Nov 5, 2014 4:55:19am

Andrew Cuomo handily won a second term as the Governor of New York, onto the presidency!!!

On a more important note, there is nothing better than the feel of new socks on your feet!!

615 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 5, 2014 5:00:28am

re: #614 Flounder

Andrew Cuomo handily won a second term as the Governor of New York, onto the presidency!!!

On a more important note, there is nothing better than the feel of new socks on your feet!!

Warm sand at the beach.

616 darthstar  Nov 5, 2014 5:01:27am
617 Vicious Piebola  Nov 5, 2014 5:01:34am

Well, at least Dems won the Senate and House for my state & district, the bad news is we are stuck with Dim Jim lookalike in Lansing 6 more years.

618 Flounder  Nov 5, 2014 5:01:50am

re: #615 wheat-dogghazi-bola

Dammit!
You are right,
…pouts and walks away…

619 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 5, 2014 5:03:19am

re: #618 Flounder

Dammit!
You are right,
…pouts and walks away…

Sorry. Couldn’t resist. Come on back.

620 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Nov 5, 2014 5:03:48am

re: #611 sffilk

I mainly voted Libertarian.

So you’re basically an idiot. Good to know.

(sorry, I’m pissed this morning)

621 thedopefishlives  Nov 5, 2014 5:04:07am

re: #617 Vicious Piebola

Well, at least Dems won the Senate and House for my state & district, the bad news is we are stuck with Dim Jim lookalike in Lansing 6 more years.

I have a Republican representative, as I mentioned last night. However, Governor Dayton and Senator Franken both won re-election quite handily. Sorry, wingnuts, you’re going to have to come back with something stronger than “Obamacare bad” if you’re going to carry the day in the wild north country.

622 Dr. Matt  Nov 5, 2014 5:09:51am

re: #615 wheat-dogghazi-bola

Warm sand at the beach.

Bacon shoes. …..cause bacon makes everything better.

623 darthstar  Nov 5, 2014 5:10:55am
624 Dr. Matt  Nov 5, 2014 5:11:57am
625 BongCrodny  Nov 5, 2014 5:14:23am

re: #606 Dr. Matt

The complete and utter apathy of Democratic voters continues to amaze me. The modern GOP is a completely horrendous, vile, and despicable. They are so far right and extreme; they reject facts, reality, and science, and placate societies’ lowest common denominator with racist dog whistles, fears about religious persecution, and fears about gun grabbing. The GOP has spent the last 6 years attempting to personally and professionally destroy this country because they refuse to acknoJonwledge our President. Now, the apathetic Dems played right into the hands of the vile GOP and will let them continue to wreak havoc on this country and the Democratic Party. Enjoy the ride, you get what you deserve.

Yup.

People voted for idiots, charlatans and jackasses for no other reason than they had a (R) beside their name.

Joni Ernst. Cory Gardner. Rick Scott. Rick Snyder. Scott Walker. Paul LePage. The list goes on and on and on.

I know that the party in power almost always loses seats in off-year elections, but based on last night’s results, I’m not seeing much evidence of a dying party after last night. Thinking that “dying party” meme should be retired.

626 darthstar  Nov 5, 2014 5:17:32am
627 darthstar  Nov 5, 2014 5:26:38am
628 Decatur Deb  Nov 5, 2014 5:26:52am

re: #613 wheat-dogghazi-bola

So basically you wasted a vote, because no Libertarian candidate got elected. Sharp thinking there.

Nah. He ‘made a statement’, just like the Dems in Alabama. A ridiculous statement, perhaps, but a STATEMENT.

629 Flounder  Nov 5, 2014 5:27:48am

This too shall pass.

630 Decatur Deb  Nov 5, 2014 5:28:14am

re: #629 Flounder

This too shall pass.

That’s what my urologist said.

631 Chrysicat  Nov 5, 2014 5:28:14am

re: #625 BongCrodny

Oh, I’m seeing evidence of a dying party.
It just doesn’t use red as a party colour.

The Rs have successfully painted us as the Party of Crying Wolf (because “hey, WE don’t have a war on women. YOU have a war on traditional women!”) and they may yet be able to take that into the White House.

Even if they don’t, we have to pray that a lot of people who might really be too old to continue to serve on SCOTUS don’t reach the point where their medical condition dictates they be replaced, for 2 1/2 years.

Because if anyone has to be replaced, this Senate won’t confirm the replacement unless he had a role in the Bush Justice Department (‘he’ not used ‘sexlessly’, but in the sense of ‘you think these sexists would actually confirm a woman?’. And that means “For the next 25 years, any liberal law that isn’t a constitutional amendment will be judged unconstitutional”.

632 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 5, 2014 5:29:31am

re: #628 Decatur Deb

Nah. He ‘made a statement’, just like the Dems in Alabama. A ridiculous statement, perhaps, but a STATEMENT.

Well, that statement I am sure has those Democrat and Republican organizations quaking in their boots at the mighty Libertarian protest voters.

633 Varek Raith  Nov 5, 2014 5:31:41am

re: #630 Decatur Deb

That’s what my urologist said.

*_*

634 BeenHereAwhile  Nov 5, 2014 5:32:32am

re: #625 BongCrodny

-snip-

I know that the party in power almost always loses seats in off-year elections, but based on last night’s results, I’m not seeing much evidence of a dying party after last night. Thinking that “dying party” meme should be retired.

Can sum up Democratic Party response and election after-action-response in two words:

“Thanks Obama!”

635 makeitstop  Nov 5, 2014 5:33:17am

So, when do the impeachment hearings start?
/

636 thedopefishlives  Nov 5, 2014 5:34:47am

re: #635 makeitstop

So, when do the impeachment hearings start?
/

Now, now. Obamacare first. Then we impeach the ebil Muslim usurper.

637 Dr. Matt  Nov 5, 2014 5:35:49am

re: #625 BongCrodny

Yup.

People voted for idiots, charlatans and jackasses for no other reason than they had a (R) beside their name.

Joni Ernst. Cory Gardner. Rick Scott. Rick Snyder. Scott Walker. Paul LePage. The list goes on and on and on.

I know that the party in power almost always loses seats in off-year elections, but based on last night’s results, I’m not seeing much evidence of a dying party after last night. Thinking that “dying party” meme should be retired.

GOP voters treat elections as a sporting an event…..”our team won” and that’s all that matters. They are so blinded by partisanship and dogma that they refuse to accept the simple reality that GOP politicians do not represent the vast majority of their voting constituency. Utter ignorance.

638 darthstar  Nov 5, 2014 5:36:13am
639 Flounder  Nov 5, 2014 5:38:27am

re: #636 theEbolafishlives

The dumbest thing the Republicans could do would be to impeach the President. That being said, I am not saying they would…

640 makeitstop  Nov 5, 2014 5:39:12am

re: #638 darthstar

You know what would be fun? Ted Cruz challenging McConnell for Majority Leader. Give America some real buyer’s remorse.

I doubt Cruz would sully himself with the lowly title of Majority Leader - it would slow down his presidential run.

I’m thinking a Cruz-approved minion will challenge Mitch.

Like I said on Facebook this morning - get ready for two years endless purity tests and Jesus-based dick-waving.

641 Flounder  Nov 5, 2014 5:40:44am

re: #640 makeitstop

upding for “Jesus-based dick waving”
I needed a laugh.

642 Dr. Matt  Nov 5, 2014 5:41:59am
643 Vicious Piebola  Nov 5, 2014 5:42:07am

Oh I got a Tweet from some idiot with the Twitter name ObamaSucksAss (very few followers, apparently he has been blocked many times) HURR HURR U LIBTARD STILL SENDING UR MORNING TWEETBOMBS EVEN THOUGH U LOST!!!!!

Stay classy. And yes I blocked you. Again.

644 darthstar  Nov 5, 2014 5:42:47am

Okay…I had to upgrade my Macbook Air to Yosemite last night because I needed Keynote, and Keynote isn’t compatible with Mavericks. They changed the look and feel of the icons and the red/yellow/green dots. Dislike.

645 makeitstop  Nov 5, 2014 5:43:37am

Now Republicans get to ‘take their country back.’ Imagine the shock when people realize they meant ‘take the country back from the people who voted for them.’

646 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 5, 2014 5:44:30am

re: #639 Flounder

The dumbest thing the Republicans could do would be to impeach the President. That being said, I am not saying they would…

The Tea Partyists will talk the talk, but I’m hoping the more mature Republicans will hold back the craziness. The party would gain nothing strategically in trying to impeach Obama, and any attempts would just about kill any chances to attract AA and moderate voters in 2016.

Not to mention, it would probably polarize the nation even more than it is now.

647 Varek Raith  Nov 5, 2014 5:44:36am

re: #644 darthstar

Okay…I had to upgrade my Macbook Air to Yosemite last night because I needed Keynote, and Keynote isn’t compatible with Mavericks. They changed the look and feel of the icons and the red/yellow/green dots. Dislike.

I do loathe when developers decide to muck up an UI just for shits and giggles.

648 BeenHereAwhile  Nov 5, 2014 5:45:45am

re: #635 makeitstop

So, when do the impeachment hearings start?
/

The mid-term elections was Act 1.

McConnell - Cruz is Act 2.

649 makeitstop  Nov 5, 2014 5:45:48am

re: #646 wheat-dogghazi-bola

The Tea Partyists will talk the talk, but I’m hoping the more mature Republicans will hold back the craziness.

That’s assuming there are any ‘mature Republicans’ left.

I’m seeing scant evidence of that.

650 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 5, 2014 5:46:50am

re: #649 makeitstop

Well, I’m ever the optimist.

651 Franklin  Nov 5, 2014 5:48:31am

Looking for some silver linings if anyone has any to spare?

652 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 5, 2014 5:49:19am

re: #335 dog philosopher

Blitzer, or the governor of Pennsylvania?

653 makeitstop  Nov 5, 2014 5:50:36am

re: #651 Franklin

Looking for some silver linings if anyone has any to spare?

The Classic Republican Over-reach is coming. They will not be able to resist.

654 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 5, 2014 5:51:10am

re: #651 Franklin

Looking for some silver linings if anyone has any to spare?

The Republic will survive.

655 Vicious Piebola  Nov 5, 2014 5:52:28am

The new GOP congress can’t decide whether to impeach Obama or try him for Treason

656 darthstar  Nov 5, 2014 5:52:59am

re: #647 Varek Raith

I do loathe when developers decide to muck up an UI just for shits and giggles.

Was just reading about my new OS on macworld. What kills me is how they talk about a new feature that has been standard on Google based devices for five years like it’s something they actually invented. Start an email on your phone, finish it on your computer! Magic!

657 Decatur Deb  Nov 5, 2014 5:53:10am

re: #651 Franklin

Looking for some silver linings if anyone has any to spare?

My candidate only lost to the incumbent 3:1, better than anyone has done before. He was forced to outspend her at least 6:1.

658 FemNaziBitch  Nov 5, 2014 5:53:23am

it’s morning.

I checked the election results.

Illinois has a new governor.

WE still have Dick Durbin and Bill Foster and the referenda all passed.

I nearly thoroughly depressed.

you?

659 Justanotherhuman  Nov 5, 2014 5:54:37am

re: #654 wheat-dogghazi-bola

The Republic will survive.

But it will be done on a shoestring.

Watch them try to repeal ACA, impeach Obama, among other nasties they’ve been promising.

Wolves in sheep’s clothing, just for the election, doncha know. They can get rid of the sheepskins now.

660 Franklin  Nov 5, 2014 5:54:57am

re: #656 darthstar

Was just reading about my new OS on macworld. What kills me is how they talk about a new feature that has been standard on Google based devices for five years like it’s something they actually invented. Start an email on your phone, finish it on your computer! Magic!

There is a little more to it than that. What gmail does is autosaved drafts. What OSX/iOS8 does is transfer the sate of the document, email, spreadsheet, presentation, text message, etc, etc from one device to the next via Bluetooth.

661 nearly-headless smith25  Nov 5, 2014 5:56:15am

re: #646 wheat-dogghazi-bola

The Tea Partyists will talk the talk, but I’m hoping the more mature Republicans will hold back the craziness. The party would gain nothing strategically in trying to impeach Obama, and any attempts would just about kill any chances to attract AA and moderate voters in 2016.

Not to mention, it would probably polarize the nation even more than it is now.

Doing some research on this, but some things that I have seen indicate Democrats are winning an even larger share of overall African American votes and an even smaller share of White voters(especially in the South) Looking into whether this is a nationwide trend, or a regional trend.

662 Justanotherhuman  Nov 5, 2014 5:56:34am

re: #658 FemNaziBitch

it’s morning.

I checked the election results.

Illinois has a new governor.

WE still have Dick Durbin and Bill Foster and the referenda all passed.

I nearly thoroughly depressed.

you?

NC elected that bastard Tillis over Hagan, a moderate. You know, he’s the Speaker of the House who rammed through the corporate agenda in NC and set us back 50 yrs.

The Senate is his reward.

663 Decatur Deb  Nov 5, 2014 5:56:43am

re: #659 Justanotherhuman

But it will be done on a shoestring.

Watch them try to repeal ACA, impeach Obama, among other nasties they’ve been promising.

Wolves in sheep’s clothing, just for the election, doncha know. They can get rid of the sheepskins now.

Waiting for an analysis showing TP vs GOP-E showing. Might be worse if the crazies are not in charge for a cycle.

664 Franklin  Nov 5, 2014 5:58:43am

Well, one silver lining in MA is the passing of question #4:

Question 4 entitles people to earn up to 40 hours of paid sick time each year if they work for businesses with 11 or more employees; staff at smaller companies would earn 40 hours of annual unpaid sick time.

665 Justanotherhuman  Nov 5, 2014 5:59:42am

re: #663 Decatur Deb

Waiting for an analysis showing TP vs GOP-E showing. Might be worse if the crazies are not in charge for a cycle.

Yeah, these are the “serious” Repubs. They mean business in every meaning of the word.

McConnell showed us what’s going to be done in his victory speech. He knows they’re sitting in the catbird seat now. It was chilling to me.

666 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 5, 2014 6:02:44am

re: #661 nearly-headless smith25

Given the Republican base’s deep-rooted antipathy toward brown-skinned immigrants and the barely concealed bigotry against the Obamas, I am not surprised that African-Americans and Hispanic-Americans will vote Democratic from now on.

I am sorry Alison lost. I share your pain.
Who won in Lexington?

667 Sionainn  Nov 5, 2014 6:02:53am

Here in Nevada, we now have a GOP governor along with an all GOP legislature. Ugh.

In other news, Cresent Hardy beat Steven Horsford in Congress which was a real shock to me. Ugh.

I haz a sad.

668 darthstar  Nov 5, 2014 6:04:30am
669 Justanotherhuman  Nov 5, 2014 6:04:32am

From Breaking News:

Editor’s note: President Obama is due to give a press conference in the East Room of the White House at 2:50pm ET. He is expected to address the outcome of the midterm elections, in which the Republican Party has achieved a majority in both the Senate and the House. We will be covering his remarks live. - Sean
end of note

670 sffilk  Nov 5, 2014 6:05:11am

re: #612 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

On the other hand, what is the point of voting for a candidate who has no chance of winning?

It’s a way to show my dissatisfaction with the Demican and Republocrat candidates.

671 Vicious Piebola  Nov 5, 2014 6:05:30am

Wingnuts have no class. They are sore losers and even more sore winners.

672 sffilk  Nov 5, 2014 6:06:01am

re: #620 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing

So you’re basically an idiot. Good to know.

(sorry, I’m pissed this morning)

I’m sorry, but I take offense at your classifying me as an idiot because I voted for the least of all evils. As far as I was concerned, neither major party candidate was good for me.

673 Chrysicat  Nov 5, 2014 6:06:38am

re: #670 sffilk

I really oughta downding you for that.

“Both sides are bad, so vote unelectable—and watch the Rs steamroll my state!”

674 Vicious Piebola  Nov 5, 2014 6:06:45am

Kochs wants Poors to shut up and die:

675 Chrysicat  Nov 5, 2014 6:08:43am

re: #674 Vicious Piebola

I wanted to make a drinking game of “every time it says ‘block grants’, chug”. Then I started thinking and didn’t want to get drunk on a morning.

676 Justanotherhuman  Nov 5, 2014 6:08:48am

re: #668 darthstar

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Unemployment down to 5.9%. Economy booming on Wall St, w/the Dow well over 17,000. Someone is making tons of money, and it ain’t you, Jack.

Employers aren’t giving out fair wages or benefits, and under Republicans, they probably won’t have to. Wage slavery is becoming more and more common.

Why people don’t vote in their own best interests is beyond me, but delusion is everywhere when it comes to politics.

677 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 5, 2014 6:09:20am

re: #670 sffilk

It’s a way to show my dissatisfaction with the Demican and Republocrat candidates.

More effective would be trying to persuade them to your line of thinking. Protest votes are just lost in the noise following each election. Face it, there is no minor party in the USA that can command more than 10% of any election, and the major parties can afford to ignore them.

678 sffilk  Nov 5, 2014 6:09:26am

re: #673 Chrysicat

I really oughta downding you for that.

“Both sides are bad, so vote unelectable—and watch the Rs steamroll my state!”

So are you saying that I should just suck it up and vote for one of the two greater of all evils?

679 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 5, 2014 6:09:28am

re:
#668

Had Obama cut the deficit, dropped the unemployment rate, expanded healthcare, and doubled the stock market, Dems would’ve won last night.

And cut gas prices.

680 nearly-headless smith25  Nov 5, 2014 6:10:08am

re: #666 wheat-dogghazi-bola

Given the Republican base’s deep-rooted antipathy toward brown-skinned immigrants and the barely concealed bigotry against the Obamas, I am not surprised that African-Americans and Hispanic-Americans will vote Democratic from now on.

I am sorry Alison lost. I share your pain.
Who won in Lexington?

Jim Gray won re-election. No surprise. He’s done a good job, and I think the election was more about what he has done, and not what Beatty could do. Most Council and Judicial races were single candidate, although the Family court Judicial election was incredibly tight.

I think here in KY, the Democratic Party should forget about national races. Louisville will take care of it’self, and Lexington will grow enough in the near future to turn this district blue again. But the Democratic party held the majority in the State house. A state-level focus is probably what is needed here.

681 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 5, 2014 6:10:31am

We need to librerate the poor from the
#Medicaid
Ghetto

Before you can “librerate” you must learn to spell.

682 sffilk  Nov 5, 2014 6:10:55am

re: #677 wheat-dogghazi-bola

More effective would be trying to persuade them to your line of thinking. Protest votes are just lost in the noise following each election. Face it, there is no minor party in the USA that can command more than 10% of any election, and the major parties can afford to ignore them.

Unfortunately, both major parties just look at me as “get away from me kid, ya bother me” because of who I am: a veteran who is a Jew who is gay. Both sides want my money yet are unwilling to give me the time of day, even if I were to donate a whole bundle of cash to one campaign or another.

683 Justanotherhuman  Nov 5, 2014 6:11:14am

re: #678 sffilk

So are you saying that I should just suck it up and vote for one of the two greater of all evils?

So, they’re evil and libertarians are not? Hahahahahaha.

684 FemNaziBitch  Nov 5, 2014 6:11:40am
685 Chrysicat  Nov 5, 2014 6:11:44am

re: #678 sffilk

See the post just above your own.

Yes, in a two-party system, you can either vote for the lesser-of-two-evils who’s of one of those parties—which as long as the Rs are pulling for a theocracy with Chinese-type environmental laws, is the D—or you can vote for any other candidate, and effectively, serve as 1/2 vote—maybe even more—for the Republican.

686 sffilk  Nov 5, 2014 6:12:11am

re: #683 Justanotherhuman

So, they’re evil and libertarians are not? Hahahahahaha.

I said I voted the least of all evils. Evidently you have a problem with that?

687 Justanotherhuman  Nov 5, 2014 6:12:16am

re: #679 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#668

And cut gas prices.

Some people can’t think beyond their hat band.

688 makeitstop  Nov 5, 2014 6:12:20am

re: #678 sffilk

So are you saying that I should just suck it up and vote for one of the two greater of all evils?

One Evil - not insane. The other Evil - high on lethal doses of Jesus and supply-side economics.

3rd party vote - pretty much useless in this day and age.

689 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 5, 2014 6:12:40am

re: #670 sffilk

It’s a way to show my dissatisfaction with the Demican and Republocrat candidates.

They are at home quietly sobbing over your disaffection…

690 Justanotherhuman  Nov 5, 2014 6:13:06am

re: #684 FemNaziBitch

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“My husband tells me how to vote.”

691 sffilk  Nov 5, 2014 6:13:35am

re: #689 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

They are at home quietly sobbing over your disaffection…

They’ve already proven they don’t care about people like me. Why should I support one or the other?

692 Justanotherhuman  Nov 5, 2014 6:14:06am

re: #686 sffilk

I said I voted the least of all evils. Evidently you have a problem with that?

I have a problem with delusion.

693 FemNaziBitch  Nov 5, 2014 6:16:17am

re: #690 Justanotherhuman

“My husband tells me how to vote.”

I’m afraid of losing his money …

694 Vicious Piebola  Nov 5, 2014 6:16:17am

re: #686 sffilk

I said I voted the least of all evils. Evidently you have a problem with that?

You did not vote at all. Srsly why did you not just write in your own name?

695 Flounder  Nov 5, 2014 6:16:22am

re: #691 sffilk

The important things is that you voted. That is what makes this country so great. That we can agree to disagree and life goes on. Thank you for voting!

696 Sionainn  Nov 5, 2014 6:16:41am

re: #683 Justanotherhuman

So, they’re evil and libertarians are not? Hahahahahaha.

There were two people running for District Attorney in my county. One was the incumbent and he’s a crappy D.A. The other guy was a Libertarian. I’ve never voted Libertarian in my life, but decided I would this time because the other guy was worse…I thought. Then, in looking up the Libertarian, come to find out he’s up on three felony charges for illegal gun possession, fighting the cops, etc. I ended up voting for neither of them.

697 Vicious Piebola  Nov 5, 2014 6:16:54am
698 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 5, 2014 6:16:59am

re: #680 nearly-headless smith25

Jim Gray won re-election. No surprise. He’s done a good job, and I think the election was more about what he has done, and not what Beatty could do. Most Council and Judicial races were single candidate, although the Family court Judicial election was incredibly tight.

I think here in KY, the Democratic Party should forget about national races. Louisville will take care of it’self, and Lexington will grow enough in the near future to turn this district blue again. But the Democratic party held the majority in the State house. A state-level focus is probably what is needed here.

I remember when KY had Democrats in Congress who were almost Republicans, such as Bill Natcher. That was a long time ago.

699 Sionainn  Nov 5, 2014 6:18:42am

re: #690 Justanotherhuman

“My husband tells me how to vote.”

I tell my husband how to vote. ;-) I actually do the research and fill out his sample ballot and off he goes to the polls.

700 FemNaziBitch  Nov 5, 2014 6:18:52am

I kept telling myself that what we needed was another GOP stupid rape quote just before the elections. (which happened in 2012)

then I heard some of the news (ISIS, EBOLA, OHMY) and realized that even if there was one, the media wouldn’t pay attention.

They were working to scare the electorate into a GOP victory.

701 FemNaziBitch  Nov 5, 2014 6:19:56am

re: #699 Sionainn

I tell my husband how to vote. ;-) I actually do the research and fill out his sample ballot and off he goes to the polls.

Honestly, I saddens me that anyone would delegate their vote to a spouse or any one but themselves.

702 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 5, 2014 6:20:08am

Election response:

Pat Sr.: Listen, Patrick, she’s gone. She’s not around anymore. Nikki left.

Pat: What are you doing, dad?! Excelsior! Excelsior. Excelsior.

Pat Sr.: What does that mean?

Pat: It means, you know what I’m gonna do, I’m gonna take all this negativity and I’m gonna use it as fuel, I’m gonna find a silver lining, that’s what I’m gonna do. And that’s no bullshit. That’s no bullshit. That takes work and that’s the truth.

moviequotesandmore.com

703 Lidane  Nov 5, 2014 6:20:33am

re: #653 makeitstop

The Classic Republican Over-reach is coming. They will not be able to resist.

I eagerly await the mad rush of bills to repeal Obamacare, build an eleventy billion foot wall along the southern border, deport all the brown people, and put sharks with frickin’ laser beams in the Rio Grande.

704 Justanotherhuman  Nov 5, 2014 6:20:56am

re: #696 Sionainn

There were two people running for District Attorney in my county. One was the incumbent and he’s a crappy D.A. The other guy was a Libertarian. I’ve never voted Libertarian in my life, but decided I would this time because the other guy was worse…I thought. Then, in looking up the Libertarian, come to find out he’s up on three felony charges for illegal gun possession, fighting the cops, etc. I ended up voting for neither of them.

I voted at 8:20 am yesterday. The ballot was both sides, but not that difficult. In a number of races, county Republicans weren’t even challenged. I didn’t vote in those races. And there was no straight ticket voting, either, but there was no standing in line and I was able to change my address as well. I figured the only reason it was so fast was they wanted to squeeze in as many voters as possible since this county is pretty well locked up by Republicans anyway.

705 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 5, 2014 6:21:23am

re: #701 FemNaziBitch

Honestly, I saddens me that anyone would delegate their vote to a spouse or any one but themselves.

What is Congress? We delegate people to vote on laws in our name.

706 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 5, 2014 6:21:47am

re: #682 sffilk

Unfortunately, both major parties just look at me as “get away from me kid, ya bother me” because of who I am: a veteran who is a Jew who is gay. Both sides want my money yet are unwilling to give me the time of day, even if I were to donate a whole bundle of cash to one campaign or another.

Why do you assume the Democrats are against a gay Jewish veteran? The GOP would hold their noses and take your money if you were rich enough, though.

707 Chrysicat  Nov 5, 2014 6:22:33am

re: #703 Lidane

I swear some R is going to say about the Mexican border that it’s too bad the people who planned the Inner German Border aren’t still around to consult…

708 Sionainn  Nov 5, 2014 6:22:36am

re: #701 FemNaziBitch

Honestly, I saddens me that anyone would delegate their vote to a spouse or any one but themselves.

He’s never been into politics and if it weren’t for me, he wouldn’t even realize there was an election. However, he does believe like me, so it’s not like he’s a total puppet…maybe just half. hehehe

709 Justanotherhuman  Nov 5, 2014 6:22:47am

re: #700 FemNaziBitch

I kept telling myself that what we needed was another GOP stupid rape quote just before the elections. (which happened in 2012)

then I heard some of the news (ISIS, EBOLA, OHMY) and realized that even if there was one, the media wouldn’t pay attention.

They were working to scare the electorate into a GOP victory.

And didn’t TN pass an anti-abortion amendment?

mic.com

710 FemNaziBitch  Nov 5, 2014 6:23:12am

Young(er) people turn-out is greater than I expected.

711 Ace-o-aces  Nov 5, 2014 6:23:28am
712 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 5, 2014 6:23:39am

So my Silver Lining is that all three of the Dem Assembly candidates running in my district won last night, as did the Dem moving up from the Assembly to the State Senate, who I’ve donated to over the years. All by healthy margins.

So my little area of the world is really good.

It’s not much. But it’s all I got right now.

713 makeitstop  Nov 5, 2014 6:23:46am

re: #703 Lidane

I eagerly await the mad rush of bills to repeal Obamacare, build an eleventy billion foot wall along the southern border, deport all the brown people, and put sharks with frickin’ laser beams in the Rio Grande.

You forgot the bill establishing Jesus as the national mascot - err, religion.

714 Franklin  Nov 5, 2014 6:23:51am

re: #651 Franklin

Looking for some silver linings if anyone has any to spare?

Upding for answering my question with a quote from a great movie!

re: #702 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Election response:

moviequotesandmore.com

715 Chrysicat  Nov 5, 2014 6:23:56am

re: #706 wheat-dogghazi-bola

I think it’s the “veteran” part, though depending on how Zionist he is, he might have a problem with the Ds being willing to even consider recognising the State of Palestine, instead :-p

716 FemNaziBitch  Nov 5, 2014 6:24:00am

re: #705 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

What is Congress? We delegate people to vote on laws in our name.

Please, I think you knew I mean the individual vote to elect representatives.

717 Justanotherhuman  Nov 5, 2014 6:24:04am

re: #708 Sionainn

He’s never been into politics and if it weren’t for me, he wouldn’t even realize there was an election. However, he does believe like me, so it’s not like he’s a total puppet…maybe just half. hehehe

I think it’s great that you push him to exercise his voting rights. : )

718 Sionainn  Nov 5, 2014 6:25:03am

re: #704 Justanotherhuman

I voted at 8:20 am yesterday. The ballot was both sides, but not that difficult. In a number of races, county Republicans weren’t even challenged. I didn’t vote in those races. And there was no straight ticket voting, either, but there was no standing in line and I was able to change my address as well. I figured the only reason it was so fast was they wanted to squeeze in as many voters as possible since this county is pretty well locked up by Republicans anyway.

It took me a grand total of 5 minutes to vote. Walked in, walked out. I love the voting machines here. Unfortunately, there was absolutely no line to vote. That part was really sad.

719 Justanotherhuman  Nov 5, 2014 6:25:14am

re: #711 Ace-o-aces

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And in a bit of irony, elected Republicans, to boot.

720 The War TARDIS  Nov 5, 2014 6:25:18am

Beginning to give up the idea things will get better in the US.

Hence my looking at Oman.

721 FemNaziBitch  Nov 5, 2014 6:25:18am

re: #709 Justanotherhuman

And didn’t TN pass an anti-abortion amendment?

mic.com

American Theocracy. It’s a scary thing.

722 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 5, 2014 6:25:24am

re: #713 makeitstop

You forgot the bill establishing Jesus as the national mascot - err, religion.

I wouldn’t be surprised if someone proposed putting his visage on the nation’s currency. I mean it does say “In God we trust.”
/

723 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 5, 2014 6:26:00am

re:
#714

An upding is also another Silver Lining!

Here’s one more:

Pat: This is what I learned at the hospital. You have to do everything you can, you have to work your hardest, and if you do, if you stay positive, you have a shot at a silver lining.

724 Sionainn  Nov 5, 2014 6:26:40am

re: #705 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

What is Congress? We delegate people to vote on laws in our name.

Good point.

725 Chrysicat  Nov 5, 2014 6:27:23am

re: #720 The War TARDIS

Hold up there. You’re a liberal Muslim. Oman’s laws would make Russia’s look liberal, though not any other country on the Red Sea.

You’re sure you’ve thought your cunning idea all the way through?

726 Justanotherhuman  Nov 5, 2014 6:27:34am

re: #722 wheat-dogghazi-bola

I wouldn’t be surprised if someone proposed putting his visage on the nation’s currency. I mean it does say “In God we trust.”
/

And “In God We Trust” was added to currency only in 1957.

Time to take it off. It’s money, for chrissakes.

727 FemNaziBitch  Nov 5, 2014 6:28:36am
728 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 5, 2014 6:28:48am
Nancy: You just have to give it some time.
Pat: Yes.
Nancy: You know, a lot went down. People will get over it. It’ll be all good. It’ll work out.
Pat: Yes! It will be!
Nancy: Yeah.
Pat: I’m gonna take that as a silver development, Nancy! A silver development! That’s a silver lining!
Nancy: Good luck.

And a final….

729 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 5, 2014 6:28:49am

re: #726 Justanotherhuman

And “In God We Trust” was added to currency only in 1957.

Time to take it off. It’s money, for chrissakes.

Ain’t gonna happen with God’s Own Party controlling Congress, buddy.

730 The War TARDIS  Nov 5, 2014 6:29:58am

re: #725 Chrysicat

It’s also one of the few Muslim nations I could immigrate to that show signs of getting better.

While the US seems to be committed to whatever the hell this is.

731 Sionainn  Nov 5, 2014 6:30:02am

re: #717 Justanotherhuman

I think it’s great that you push him to exercise his voting rights. : )

I also take my girls with me when I vote every single time and I tell them how important it is to pay attention to what is going on and do research so they can pick the best candidate. I also explain why it is so important to exercise our right to vote. I’d be so disappointed if they were apathetic when they turn 18 and can register to vote.

732 FemNaziBitch  Nov 5, 2014 6:30:39am
733 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 5, 2014 6:31:39am

And my state, Maryland, in which the GOP took the governorship, it still has teh gay marriage. GOP can’t eff that up.

So that’s still pretty good. Even though I’m not gay. Not that there’s anything wrong with it…..

734 Ian G.  Nov 5, 2014 6:31:41am

I’m not going to wallow in misery because this shit happens in the 6th year of the Presidency. By then, people get upset that the guy in the White House hasn’t given them all a pony, so they vote the other guys. It always happens.

One thing I’m still amazed at in a good way is how the minimum wage referenda passed in those not-exactly-hippie states AR, NE, and SD. Perhaps even among conservative whites, Paul Ryan, Paul Singer, and the Koch Boys’ dreams of restoring Bourbon France on these shores isn’t going to fly.

735 Flounder  Nov 5, 2014 6:32:50am

The other night I was invited out for a night with the boys. I told my wife that I would be home by midnight, “I promise!” Well, the hours passed and the drinks went down way too easily.

Around 3 a.m., a bit pissed, I headed for home. Just as I got in the door, the cuckoo clock in the hallway started up and cuckooed three times. Quickly, realizing my wife would probably wake up, I cuckooed another nine times.

I was really proud of myself for coming up with such a quick-witted solution, in order to escape a possible conflict with her. (Even when totally smashed… three cuckoos plus nine cuckoos totals twelve cuckoos MIDNIGHT!)

The next morning my wife asked me what time I got in. I told her ‘MIDNIGHT’. She didn’t seem pissed off in the least.

Whew, I got away with that one! Then she said, “We need a new cuckoo clock.”

When I asked her why, she said, “Well, last night our clock cuckooed three times, then said ‘oh shit.’ Cuckooed four more times, cleared its throat, cuckooed another three times, laughed, cuckooed twice more, and then tripped over the coffee table and farted.”

736 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 5, 2014 6:33:47am

re:
#711

Arkansas, Nebraska, South Dakota and Alaska all voted to raise the minimum wage on ballot initiatives, all with over 60% of the vote.

Hippy, commie-loving states. /

737 Sionainn  Nov 5, 2014 6:33:48am

re: #720 The War TARDIS

Beginning to give up the idea things will get better in the US.

Hence my looking at Oman.

Really?

738 Justanotherhuman  Nov 5, 2014 6:34:14am

re: #727 FemNaziBitch

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Speaking of deer, early Tues am around 4:30, I got a frantic call from my grandson. He had just hit a deer (he thinks after another car did also) who leapt across the road on his way home and did damage to the front end of the car he just bought last Friday. Luckily, it’s minor and the car is still driveable.

He was scared to death and wanted to know if he should call the police. I said no, just get your butt home; this happens all the time, esp on that particular road (I’ve almost hit them there, too). He moved the deer off the road as much as he could.

In fact, last Fri, we were coming from a boat landing and one small deer ran out in front of me but I was going slowly, and then, here came 2 more. These are usually spring deer and are about the size of a German Shepherd.

739 Ian G.  Nov 5, 2014 6:35:24am

re: #720 The War TARDIS

Beginning to give up the idea things will get better in the US.

Hence my looking at Oman.

Oh, come on. Think back to 2009 when the global economy was in free-fall. We could have gone the austerity route like the GOP wanted, but instead, we had a serious person in the White House who undertook stimulus, even if it was not quite what was needed.

Now look at us vs. Europe, where austerity reigned. Which one has some countries with 25% unemployment and outright fascist parties making gains in the legislature? Let’s remember how far we’ve come in the last 6 years, and how the GOP isn’t going to be able to undo that.

740 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 5, 2014 6:35:24am

re: #538 palomino

Jeez, you sound like Rick Perry or Glenn Beck. “America went off the rails over 100 years ago, well before FDR and the New Deal.”

Sorry, but it’s a bit late to turn back the clock to the 1890’s.

Europe went off the rails pretty hard about a 100 years ago though.

741 Flounder  Nov 5, 2014 6:35:33am

re: #738 Justanotherhuman

The deer are probably in rut. Damn horny bucks are everywhere!

742 Sionainn  Nov 5, 2014 6:35:52am

re: #730 The War TARDIS

It’s also one of the few Muslim nations I could immigrate to that show signs of getting better.

While the US seems to be committed to whatever the hell this is.

*sigh*

743 FemNaziBitch  Nov 5, 2014 6:36:07am
744 Lidane  Nov 5, 2014 6:36:22am

re: #718 Sionainn

It took me a grand total of 5 minutes to vote. Walked in, walked out. I love the voting machines here. Unfortunately, there was absolutely no line to vote. That part was really sad.

I voted early so I didn’t have to deal with lines either.

I knew that Democratic wins here in Texas were a fool’s dream, but I flipped the switch for the (D)’s anyway. When my choices come down to the batshit crazy, revanchist Texas GOP, the middling, ineffective joke that is the Texas Democratic Party and a bunch of third party losers that will never get out of the single digits, I vote for the ones who I tolerate the most and who at least stand a chance of being competitive.

745 Chrysicat  Nov 5, 2014 6:36:45am

I’m glad the rest of you still had some examples of people’s cognitive dissonance as they voted in the institutionalized oppression on a national scale.

Here in Colorado, on the other hand, the only initiative that passed mandates that all future school-district collective bargaining have a public audience.
If you don’t think that’s specifically designed to effectively forbid educational unions, I think you’re a few bricks short.

And yet somehow the R running for guv may have chunked the race. And it would be full-on chunking, because Hick did absolutely nothing that would have helped him to be re-elected. I’m not even sure I remember 3 campaign ads all season.

746 Franklin  Nov 5, 2014 6:36:46am

re: #731 Sionainn

I also take my girls with me when I vote every single time and I tell them how important it is to pay attention to what is going on and do research so they can pick the best candidate. I also explain why it is so important to exercise our right to vote. I’d be so disappointed if they were apathetic when they turn 18 and can register to vote.

Yep. My girls are 6 and 4 and have been to the poll every year*

* In MA (Boston in particular) there is really nothing special at all about a special election. We have them all the time :)

747 Justanotherhuman  Nov 5, 2014 6:36:49am

re: #732 FemNaziBitch

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I don’t expect either one to do anything to further the interests of Blacks or women, either.

748 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 5, 2014 6:36:59am

re: #720 The War TARDIS

Beginning to give up the idea things will get better in the US.

Hence my looking at Oman.

Why on earth are you looking at Oman? I admit to be largely ignorant of that part of the world, but Oman doesn’t really strike me as suitable place for a moderate Westernized Muslim.

749 Decatur Deb  Nov 5, 2014 6:37:10am

re: #682 sffilk

Unfortunately, both major parties just look at me as “get away from me kid, ya bother me” because of who I am: a veteran who is a Jew who is gay. Both sides want my money yet are unwilling to give me the time of day, even if I were to donate a whole bundle of cash to one campaign or another.

Let me comprehend this. You’re a gay, Jewish veteran and the Libertarians best represent your interests? Best line of the morning.

750 GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 5, 2014 6:38:07am

re: #666 wheat-dogghazi-bola

Given the Republican base’s deep-rooted antipathy toward brown-skinned immigrants and the barely concealed bigotry against the Obamas, I am not surprised that African-Americans and Hispanic-Americans will vote Democratic from now on.

I am sorry Alison lost. I share your pain.
Who won in Lexington?

Except during super important midterms, apparently. :-/

751 Franklin  Nov 5, 2014 6:38:29am

re: #735 Flounder

I could never tell that joke in person. I’d laugh straight through the punchline.

752 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 5, 2014 6:38:57am

re:
#746

My parents took me to the polls, too. I loved it.

753 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 5, 2014 6:39:49am

Wall Street seems happy at the election results. Indices are up.

754 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 5, 2014 6:39:59am

re: #716 FemNaziBitch

Please, I think you knew I mean the individual vote to elect representatives.

I know, but this person is simply delegating on another level. That is their choice, I guess.

755 FemNaziBitch  Nov 5, 2014 6:40:51am

So 2016 may be different than 2014

756 FemNaziBitch  Nov 5, 2014 6:41:13am

re: #754 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I know, but this person is simply delegating on another level. That is their choice, I guess.

still, it saddens me.

757 Jenner7  Nov 5, 2014 6:41:15am

re: #735 Flounder

Totally needed to wake up to this. Thank you. :)

758 Dr. Matt  Nov 5, 2014 6:41:33am

re: #743 FemNaziBitch

*yawn* An 18 year old “conservative” that claims to be “fiscally conservative”. All cons claim to be “fiscally conservative” until they are elected and then spend like drunken sailors.

No offense to drunken sailors…..coming from a former sailor who was occasionally drunken.

759 Chrysicat  Nov 5, 2014 6:41:43am

re: #753 wheat-dogghazi-bola

Well of COURSE! The group who’ll forever cut their corporate taxes, while not doing anything to ensure they do anything other than bank their profits, just got elected in the Senate!

760 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 5, 2014 6:41:50am

So the Virgina Senate seat still not decided?

Can’t get CNN’s election page to load.

761 Justanotherhuman  Nov 5, 2014 6:42:58am

re: #741 Flounder

The deer are probably in rut. Damn horny bucks are everywhere!

Do the young ones rut at about 6 mos? These were just kids, very young with no antlers showing. And in both instances, the locations were near water and they probably needed a drink. We do have an excess of deer around here, and my son has even seen them on the streets in Charlotte, about 30 mi from here.

My grandson said he had been dodging deer all night in his delivery van and then, and then, in his new (to him) car, manages to hit one!

762 Decatur Deb  Nov 5, 2014 6:43:11am

re: #755 FemNaziBitch

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So 2016 may be different than 2014

Absolutely. However, it could be worse if the Dems don’t get their shit together—solidarity, coalition-building, and focus on the long war.

763 FemNaziBitch  Nov 5, 2014 6:43:16am

re: #758 Dr. Matt

*yawn* An 18 year old “conservative” that claims to be “fiscally conservative”. All cons claim to be “fiscally conservative” until they are elected and they spend like drunken sailors.

No offense to drunken sailors…..coming from a former sailor who was occasionally drunken.

She got top rating from the NRA.

764 Vicious Piebola  Nov 5, 2014 6:44:00am

Racists are waving around their shining token trophies this morning, you betcha!

765 Flounder  Nov 5, 2014 6:44:31am

re: #761 Justanotherhuman

The bucks are fairly aggressive and may have pushed away this years fawn to get to the doe if she is in heat. No respect I tell ya!

766 Dr. Matt  Nov 5, 2014 6:45:59am

re: #763 FemNaziBitch

She got top rating from the NRA.

Color me surprised

767 Justanotherhuman  Nov 5, 2014 6:48:15am

re: #743 FemNaziBitch

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Scion. Only female.

“Blair, an economics and Spanish major at West Virginia University, will defer her spring classes to attend the legislative session in the state capital. There, she’ll join her father and campaign manager, Craig, who is a state senator.”

“Just do what daddy tells you to do.”

768 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 5, 2014 6:48:25am

re: #682 sffilk

Unfortunately, both major parties just look at me as “get away from me kid, ya bother me” because of who I am: a veteran who is a Jew who is gay. Both sides want my money yet are unwilling to give me the time of day, even if I were to donate a whole bundle of cash to one campaign or another.

Voting for the party that espouses the notion that a privately owned business should be able to discriminate against you for any reason including but not limited to the fact that you’re a veteran, you’re gay, or you’re Jewish, doesn’t seem a very well thought through decision.

769 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2014 6:48:44am

re: #164 qubit2020

Good night all. The sun will come out tomorrow…

No, it didn’t.
It’s raining here…

;)

770 Lidane  Nov 5, 2014 6:49:30am

re: #720 The War TARDIS

Beginning to give up the idea things will get better in the US.

Hence my looking at Oman.

Step back from the ledge and calm down. It’s shitty that the GOP did well, but it’s not intolerable.

You’ve got it better here than you would in the Middle East or even in Europe. Drink some tea, meditate a while, read a book, whatever. It’s not the end of the world.

771 Ian G.  Nov 5, 2014 6:49:59am

re: #769 Backwoods_Sleuth

Are you in Texas? If so, good, your state needs the rain. :-)

772 Justanotherhuman  Nov 5, 2014 6:50:37am

re: #771 Ian G.

Are you in Texas? If so, good, your state needs the rain. :-)

Texas needs a colon cleaning.

773 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2014 6:50:52am

re: #771 Ian G.

Are you in Texas? If so, good, your state needs the rain. :-)

Nope, I’m in Kentucky “Land of the Turtles”.

774 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 5, 2014 6:51:15am

re: #658 FemNaziBitch

it’s morning.

I checked the election results.

Illinois has a new governor.

WE still have Dick Durbin and Bill Foster and the referenda all passed.

I nearly thoroughly depressed.

you?

Incumbent governor in my state defeated. By a Democrat.
Rest was pretty status quo.

I was disappointed in 2010 in seeing what I thought were a lot of acceptable candidates losing to demagogues and/or idiots. That, and the general predictions, prepared me for the overall results last night. Need to ride things out for two years and see how wacky Congress actually gets.

775 Decatur Deb  Nov 5, 2014 6:51:33am

The grandkid and I are going out to police up the signs I’ve posted for my candidate. Tonight we are having a backyard campout, and the stakes will solve our firewood problem. Lemonade !!!

776 Justanotherhuman  Nov 5, 2014 6:53:42am

re: #775 Decatur Deb

The grandkid and I are going out to police up the signs I’ve posted for my candidate. Tonight we are having a backyard campout, and the stakes will solve our firewood problem. Lemonade !!!

Sounds like fun! Is that the 4 yr old? : )

777 FemNaziBitch  Nov 5, 2014 6:54:49am
778 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 5, 2014 6:55:09am

Oh, I just heard the Joni Ernst chuckle, or cackle. Now I understand why someone here said they hated it.

It drips insincerity.

779 Vicious Piebola  Nov 5, 2014 6:55:38am
780 Decatur Deb  Nov 5, 2014 6:55:47am

re: #776 Justanotherhuman

Sounds like fun! Is that the 4 yr old? : )

Yup. Took him to the monster community center playground yesterday, during a break from the polls. Learned two things—he’s absolutely fearless, and he’ll follow a girl anywhere.

781 Dr. Matt  Nov 5, 2014 6:57:00am

re: #779 Vicious Piebola

Drunk with victory, GOP can’t decide what they want to do first, build Keystone pipeline, abolish minimum wage laws, outlaw abortion, impeach Obama or try him for treason

Ted Cruz is going to propose an omnibus bill that includes all of it.

782 FemNaziBitch  Nov 5, 2014 6:57:10am

re: #779 Vicious Piebola

Drunk with victory, GOP can’t decide what they want to do first, build Keystone pipeline, abolish minimum wage laws, outlaw abortion, impeach Obama or try him for treason

They really don’t have much time. They’ll have to start campaigning for Mitt for the 2016 soon.

783 Dr. Matt  Nov 5, 2014 6:59:15am

re: #782 FemNaziBitch

They really don’t have much time. They’ll have to start campaigning for Mitt for the 2016 soon.

Joe ‘Dead Intern’ Scarborough was wanking off to Mittens on Meet the Press Sunday. Joe actually said that Mitt had the best year out of all of the GOP because he was “right” on Iran, Russia, the economy, etc., etc., The stupid burns……

784 Varek Raith  Nov 5, 2014 7:00:27am

re: #743 FemNaziBitch

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I..uh..raked leaves.
Yeah!
<_<

785 sffilk  Nov 5, 2014 7:02:43am

re: #706 wheat-dogghazi-bola

Why do you assume the Democrats are against a gay Jewish veteran? The GOP would hold their noses and take your money if you were rich enough, though.

I don’t assume anything. I checked them out, and found that the Democratic candidates will say whatever to get the Jewish vote then do nothing beneficial to Jews afterward. As far as gay, I’m still a persecuted minority in the state where I live. And veteran? What, with all the problems going on for vets right now, you really have to ask?

And the Republican candidates are no better.

786 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 5, 2014 7:03:43am

re:
#758

*yawn* An 18 year old “conservative” that claims to be “fiscally conservative”.

Not sure that what West Virginia, or any jurisdication, needs, is more fiscal conservatism. But if they want some, I guess they can go get some.

787 sffilk  Nov 5, 2014 7:04:39am

re: #749 Decatur Deb

Let me comprehend this. You’re a gay, Jewish veteran and the Libertarians best represent your interests? Best line of the morning.

It’s more a case of the three candidates, the Libertarians were the least of all evils.

788 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 5, 2014 7:04:51am

re: #785 sffilk

I don’t assume anything. I checked them out, and found that the Democratic candidates will say whatever to get the Jewish vote then do nothing beneficial to Jews afterward. As far as gay, I’m still a persecuted minority in the state where I live. And veteran? What, with all the problems going on for vets right now, you really have to ask?

And the Republican candidates are no better.

Well, suit yourself. But to expect any better treatment from the Libertarians is a pipe dream.

789 Bubblehead II  Nov 5, 2014 7:04:58am

Morning Lizards. Well things pretty much went the way I expected here in Idaho. The Rs won. The only close race was for State School Superintendent.

790 Varek Raith  Nov 5, 2014 7:05:03am

re: #787 sffilk

It’s more a case of the three candidates, the Libertarians were the least of all evils.

Who was the libertarian?

791 FemNaziBitch  Nov 5, 2014 7:07:18am
And once a Duggar girl is married, says Mom, she is never allowed to say no to sex. “Duggar women don’t get headaches,” Michelle told Us. “You always need to be available when he calls.” And if you’re not always available—if you do get a headache, or you’re just not in the mood one night, or if turns out that your husband prefers Dad’s auditions—then you’re to blame when your husband cheats on you.

Paged

792 The War TARDIS  Nov 5, 2014 7:07:24am

re: #770 Lidane

You really think the Democrats will win again?

Republicans will be passing more and more onerous voter restrictions.

793 sffilk  Nov 5, 2014 7:07:27am

re: #790 Varek Raith

Who was the libertarian?

A. Swafford, A. Hunt.

794 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 5, 2014 7:08:47am

re: #791 FemNaziBitch

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you’re to blame when your husband cheats on you.

You made him commit adultery!!!

795 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 5, 2014 7:09:28am

re: #791 FemNaziBitch

Paged

Sex machine, in a word or two.

796 Justanotherhuman  Nov 5, 2014 7:10:08am

Backlash: Against a Black president. Against gay marriage. Against rights women have worked and suffered for. Against affordable health care. Against “food stamps” and other benefits for people who can’t get anything but shitty paying jobs that don’t pay the bills for their families.

Among other things.

797 Vicious Piebola  Nov 5, 2014 7:10:31am

re: #791 FemNaziBitch

Paged

So, how does a Duggar gal go from demure innocent virgin to hot sexy sex kitten luv u longtime in just one blink of an eye?

798 ObserverArt  Nov 5, 2014 7:10:47am

Is it safe to come out yet???

That election was brutal. Some of it to be expected, but many of the races were not as close as one would have thought.

The fun part of all this will now be watching if Mitch can control Teddy.

The other fun part, watching Hillary try to run for president after the “Clinton Touch” didn’t even work in freakin’ Arkansas. Damaged goods.

I hope the Dems are already running around and trying to pick up the pieces. There are a lot of them scattered all over by the explosions. And in all of it, I hope they toughen the hell up and learn from it all.

But then, there is the American electorate. Now that is a huge problem. They just do not get that they need to get out and vote.

799 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 5, 2014 7:11:45am

re: #797 Vicious Piebola

So, how does a Duggar gal go from demure innocent virgin to hot sexy sex kitten luv u longtime in just one blink of an eye?

There must be a cram course.

800 Decatur Deb  Nov 5, 2014 7:11:57am

Off to collect signs. It’s considered very poor form to leave them up around here.

801 Justanotherhuman  Nov 5, 2014 7:12:59am

re: #791 FemNaziBitch

Paged

In other words, a woman is just some kind of sexual release for a man?

Might as well be a hole in the wall, for all that.

802 Mattand  Nov 5, 2014 7:13:28am

re: #774 Feline Fearless Leader

Incumbent governor in my state defeated. By a Democrat.
Rest was pretty status quo.

I was disappointed in 2010 in seeing what I thought were a lot of acceptable candidates losing to demagogues and/or idiots. That, and the general predictions, prepared me for the overall results last night. Need to ride things out for two years and see how wacky Congress actually gets.

I can tell you exactly what’s going to happen over the next two years:

1) Republicans will try to pass every batshit crazy idea they’ve been wanking off to over the last 6 years, from banning abortion; oil pipelines in national parks; restricting voting to minorities even further; etc.

2) Obama, not being a lunatic religious fanatic and having a basic grasp of reality, will veto every GOP bill that is an extremist overreach. In other words: all of them.

As a result, even less will get done.

3) Then the average idiot voter, who put these morons back into power after they fucked up the country for the better part of the previous decade, will blame Obama for not working with the GOP.

4) In 2016, said idiot American voters will elect a GOP president. Which as mentioned before, the last time these fanatics ran the board, they nearly destroyed the world economy.

Because American voters have the fucking long term memory capacity of a rusty stapler. And they really, really hate being informed.

5) By 2019, the 2008 recession will seem like a picnic and we’ll be fighting wars with countries who have at lest 3 Muslims living in them.

At least PA had the brains to kick Corbett to the curb.

803 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 5, 2014 7:13:53am

re:
#798

The other fun part, watching Hillary try to run for president after the “Clinton Touch” didn’t even work in freakin’ Arkansas. Damaged goods.

Considering that the Clintons haven’t lived in Arkansas for about two decades now, it isn’t surprising. I don’t blame the Clintons for trying, though.

804 Vicious Piebola  Nov 5, 2014 7:14:17am

re: #801 Justanotherhuman

In other words, a woman is just some kind of sexual release for a man?

Might as well be a hole in the wall, for all that.

Three holed chattel

805 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 5, 2014 7:14:29am

re: #796 Justanotherhuman

Backlash: Against a Black president. Against gay marriage. Against rights women have worked and suffered for. Against affordable health care. Against “food stamps” and other benefits for people who can’t get anything but shitty paying jobs that don’t pay the bills for their families.

Among other things.

against falling unemployment, lowered health costs, falling gas prices and a rising stock market.

go figure.

806 ObserverArt  Nov 5, 2014 7:14:53am

Wow…the Duggar’s are….um, uh…

What are they?

807 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 5, 2014 7:15:22am

re:
#800

Thanks for fighting the good fight down there.

808 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 5, 2014 7:15:25am

re: #806 ObserverArt

Wow…the Duggar’s are….um, uh…

What are they?

God-fearing fundamentalist Christians whose vales align entirely with the modern GOP

809 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 5, 2014 7:15:34am

re: #802 Mattand

5) By 2019, the 2008 recession will seem like a picnic and will be fighting wars with countries who have at least 3 Muslims living in them.

Which means The War TARDIS’ plan to move to Oman has hit yet another snag.//

810 Varek Raith  Nov 5, 2014 7:16:40am

re: #793 sffilk

A. Swafford, A. Hunt.

Thanks.
Hate to be an ass, but they are mostly just Republicans with a smattering of libertarian ideas.

Most of their policies are very RW.

811 ObserverArt  Nov 5, 2014 7:17:26am

re: #803 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#798

Considering that the Clintons haven’t lived in Arkansas for about two decades now, it isn’t surprising. I don’t blame the Clintons for trying, though.

My comment was as much about the way some of the talking heads went on about them as much as how well they personally did. Time may have just passed Hillary by. It will interesting to watch how she goes from here.

812 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 5, 2014 7:18:18am

re: #798 ObserverArt

Is it safe to come out yet???

That election was brutal. Some of it to be expected, but many of the races were not as close as one would have thought.

The fun part of all this will now be watching if Mitch can control Teddy.

The other fun part, watching Hillary try to run for president after the “Clinton Touch” didn’t even work in freakin’ Arkansas. Damaged goods.

I hope the Dems are already running around and trying to pick up the pieces. There are a lot of them scattered all over by the explosions. And in all of it, I hope they toughen the hell up and learn from it all.

But then, there is the American electorate. Now that is a huge problem. They just do not get that they need to get out and vote.

The Democrats are reliant on two demographics, younger voters and Hispanics, whose turnout in the General Elections is low and whose turnout in mid-terms is vanishingly small. If you’re going to rely on those demographics then it seems sensible to spend a ton of money between elections on strategies to increase their turnout. Getting the most of any demo’s votes means nothing if that demo doesn’t show up at the polls in numbers.

813 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 5, 2014 7:18:39am

re:
#811

Time may have just passed Hillary by.

Yeah I’m wondering the same thing.

814 HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2014 7:18:44am

re: #800 Decatur Deb

Off to collect signs. It’s considered very poor form to leave them up around here.

Well that’s good at least. I can remember a McCain-Palin big sign staying on the roof of a local gunstore for a good two years after they lost. Appreciate what you have done by the way informing people that ACA isn’t you know the Antichrist and it won’t cause them to be placed in a FEMA camp.

815 Mattand  Nov 5, 2014 7:19:35am

I would imagine a Libertarian candidate would endorse private business being allowed to be as homophobic as they want, because Invisible Hand Prevent Government Tyranny and other idiocy.

816 Justanotherhuman  Nov 5, 2014 7:19:49am

Not so fast, Beauprez.

Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper projected to hold office - @denverpost, @9NEWS
read more on denverpost.com

817 ObserverArt  Nov 5, 2014 7:20:07am

re: #807 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#800

Thanks for fighting the good fight down there.

Amen. Decatur Deb is good people.

818 HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2014 7:20:18am

I looked at the turnout demos. That’s not going to be what the presidential turnout will be in two years. However, the Dems need to A) stop running away from POTUS the second he becomes unpopular and remember that they Congress are even more unpopular than he and B) find someway to increase turnout and C) stop sending those annoying emails begging for money.

819 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 5, 2014 7:21:11am

re: #705 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

What is Congress? We delegate people to vote on laws in our name.

The opposite of Progress?
//

820 Vicious Piebola  Nov 5, 2014 7:21:21am

re: #815 Mattand

I would imagine a Libertarian candidate would endorse private business being allowed to be as homophobic as they want, because Invisible Hand Prevent Government Tyranny and other idiocy.

Libertarians would grant more rights to corporations than to women, minorities and gays, or in fact human beings.

821 HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2014 7:22:34am

Libertarians talk elegantly about liberty and then refuse to use the federal government to protect said liberties.

822 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 5, 2014 7:22:54am

re: #819 Feline Fearless Leader

The opposite of Progress?
//

Yes, yes it is.

823 Vicious Piebola  Nov 5, 2014 7:23:54am

re: #821 HappyWarrior

Libertarians talk elegantly about liberty and then refuse to use the federal government to protect said liberties.

HURR HURR U CAN HAZ ALL TEH GUNZ U WANT!!!! PERTECK UR OWN LIBERTEEZ!!!!1!!!

824 Lidane  Nov 5, 2014 7:25:07am

re: #797 Vicious Piebola

So, how does a Duggar gal go from demure innocent virgin to hot sexy sex kitten luv u longtime in just one blink of an eye?

Property doesn’t have a choice.

825 ObserverArt  Nov 5, 2014 7:25:54am

re: #819 Feline Fearless Leader

The opposite of Progress?
//

What is congress?

I think it is where all the con men go, or something.

And with that, I gotta get to work. It’s a new morning in America and I need to figure out how to deal with it knowing that retirement in a few years might not be all that I was sold all those many years ago.

Later Lizards.

826 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 5, 2014 7:26:17am

re: #821 HappyWarrior

Libertarians talk elegantly about liberty and then refuse to use the federal government to protect said liberties.

Libertarians fantasize that it will all be Rearden Metal and Dagny Taggart for them. It will be Lord of the Flies and sticks sharpened on both ends.

827 Mattand  Nov 5, 2014 7:26:50am

re: #820 Vicious Piebola

re: #821 HappyWarrior

LOL, seriously. It’s that naïve “Everything will just work itself out” delusion that these people have faith in.

Believing in the Invisible Hand is a religion like all the others. Only their mascot is a giant omniscient Thing from the Addams Family TV show.

828 Lidane  Nov 5, 2014 7:27:03am

re: #818 HappyWarrior

stop sending those annoying emails begging for money.

THIS. SO MUCH.

I hate the election results, but my email inbox is happy because it’s not getting blown up every goddamn hour with dozens of form letters from every politician with a (D) after their name begging for $5.

829 Mattand  Nov 5, 2014 7:27:47am

re: #797 Vicious Piebola

So, how does a Duggar gal go from demure innocent virgin to hot sexy sex kitten luv u longtime in just one blink of an eye?

Years of religious oppression and resentment toward her parents.

830 Lidane  Nov 5, 2014 7:28:13am

Teh Twitterz are telling me that Anon have threatened ISIS and are now targeting them.

Fun times.

831 FemNaziBitch  Nov 5, 2014 7:29:34am

Meet the white man doing the lonely work of making white people talk about race

The third one, which is my favorite, is that I’m secretly a Jew who is out to destroy the white race.

Sorry, that line made me smirk.

Had to share

832 HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2014 7:29:38am

re: #828 Lidane

THIS. SO MUCH.

I hate the election results, but my email inbox is happy because it’s not getting blown up every goddamn hour with dozens of form letters from every politician with a (D) after their name begging for $5.

Dear so, so
I’m disappointed. I need $$$.

833 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 5, 2014 7:29:42am

re: #797 Vicious Piebola

So, how does a Duggar gal go from demure innocent virgin to hot sexy sex kitten luv u longtime in just one blink of an eye?

They are raised to obey the family Patriarch. Upon marriage, they get a new Patriarch.

834 ObserverArt  Nov 5, 2014 7:29:57am

re: #823 Vicious Piebola

HURR HURR U CAN HAZ ALL TEH GUNZ U WANT!!!! PERTECK UR OWN LIBERTEEZ!!!!1!!!

Just caught this as I was getting ready to log out.

Right now, this very minute there are several people in Guy Fawkes masks parading around the Ohio State House in downtown Columbus carrying rifles openly in some kind of a gun demonstration about their freedoms to open carry. A real mixed political message there. I guess Guy Fawkes masks are multi-symbolic.

835 Justanotherhuman  Nov 5, 2014 7:30:13am

A 15 yr old boy? With all that money, you could have bought an adult man.

Baltimore socialite Molly Shattuck indicted in Delaware on charges related to sexual contact with a minor, according to multiple sources - @cbsbaltimore
read more on cbslocal.com

836 Vicious Piebola  Nov 5, 2014 7:32:21am

re: #834 ObserverArt

Just caught this as I was getting ready to log out.

Right now, this very minute there are several people in Guy Fawkes masks parading around the Ohio State House in downtown Columbus carrying rifles openly in some kind of a gun demonstration about their freedoms to open carry. A real mixed political message there. I guess Guy Fawkes masks are multi-symbolic.

Guy Fawkes would be celebrating this GOP victory.

837 Eventual Carrion  Nov 5, 2014 7:32:46am

re: #802 Mattand

[snip]

At least PA had the brains to kick Corbett to the curb.

I can say I cast a vote that helped that take place.

838 HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2014 7:32:51am

re: #827 Mattand

LOL, seriously. It’s that naïve “Everything will just work itself out” delusion that these people have faith in.

Believing in the Invisible Hand is a religion like all the others. Only their mascot is a giant omniscient Thing from the Addams Family TV show.

It really is that naive. It’s funny. They like to accuse us of having blind faith in the government but I would suggest that they have even more blind faith in the markets. Frankly modern Libertarianism is an ideology that can only exist in a first world society. It’s part of what I call the paradox of modernity. Where modernity and its trappings- universal K-12 education, mostly paved roads, etc lead the person to act like if we just did away with “big government” that we would be fine.

839 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 5, 2014 7:33:00am

re:
#834

Right now, this very minute there are several people in Guy Fawkes masks parading around the Ohio State House in downtown Columbus carrying rifles openly

Sounds like some true geniuses there.

Which reminds me, why did Dictator Obama allow the 2014 elections to be held and for all these people to keep their gunz? /

840 Mattand  Nov 5, 2014 7:33:26am

re: #828 Lidane

THIS. SO MUCH.

I hate the election results, but my email inbox is happy because it’s not getting blown up every goddamn hour with dozens of form letters from every politician with a (D) after their name begging for $5.

I hate spam like everyone else, but I can’t get that upset with the Dems email begging. The Dems don’t have a Koch Bros. instrument to fund them like the GOP, and a lot of their funding comes from unions, which are rapidly going extinct.

Personally, I don’t know if it’s worth it for the Democrats to ask for funding, at least in midterms. Many of their supporters stay home with thumbs up their asses. If those voters are too fucking lazy and stupid to realize what’s at stake, why bother asking for cash?

841 HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2014 7:33:29am

re: #839 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#834

Sounds like some true geniuses there.

Which reminds me, why did Dictator Obama allow the 2014 elections to be held and for all these people to keep their gunz? /

Why hasn’t Dictator Obama dissolved the Congress yet? Oh wait.

842 Vicious Piebola  Nov 5, 2014 7:33:56am
843 Justanotherhuman  Nov 5, 2014 7:34:33am

Repubs really are sore losers.

Scott Milne is not conceding to incumbent Peter Shumlin in the race for Vermont governor - @AP
end of alert

He thought he was in like Flynn.

844 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 5, 2014 7:34:47am

re: #818 HappyWarrior

I looked at the turnout demos. That’s not going to be what the presidential turnout will be in two years. However, the Dems need to A) stop running away from POTUS the second he becomes unpopular and remember that they Congress are even more unpopular than he and B) find someway to increase turnout and C) stop sending those annoying emails begging for money.

Dear insert name,
Although I did run away from the Democratic party in general and the president in particular I still lost. Please send me money so that I can continue taking forthright stands on…

845 Sionainn  Nov 5, 2014 7:34:51am

re: #792 The War TARDIS

You really think the Democrats will win again?

Republicans will be passing more and more onerous voter restrictions.

Are you seeing someone for your paranoia?

846 Justanotherhuman  Nov 5, 2014 7:36:55am

He’s gonna run in 2016.

Mitt Romney tweets on 2014 US elections: ‘Big tent Republicans win big races. Congratulations’ - @MittRomney
see original on twitter.com

847 Mattand  Nov 5, 2014 7:37:05am

re: #845 Sionainn

Are you seeing someone for your paranoia?

I can’t disagree with him. They’re going to try, at any rate.

848 Varek Raith  Nov 5, 2014 7:37:14am

I just got a call reminding me to vote.
e_e

849 jamesfirecat  Nov 5, 2014 7:37:17am

re: #792 The War TARDIS

You really think the Democrats will win again?

Republicans will be passing more and more onerous voter restrictions.

A party does badly in a mid term election while they have a president in the White House.

That’s utterly unimaginable!

Look don’t get your bags packed till we donkeys loose in 2016, the selection of senators up for reflection was horrible, and democrats never do that well in midterms anyway.

Remember Citizens United didn’t keep Obama from winning in 2012, there’s no proof these hops will keep us from winning in 2016, and now that we actually have seen the voter restrictions in action there will be more “basis” for cases to brought against them.

Also if you’re going to leave the US why do you feel Oman is better than Canada? Isn’t Canada the go to “15% more liberal” version of the US that most people consider going to? (Am unaware of any major animus among Canadians toward Muslims if I am incorrect please feel free to inform me).

850 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 5, 2014 7:37:32am

re: #835 Justanotherhuman

A 15 yr old boy? With all that money, you could have bought an adult man.

Baltimore socialite Molly Shattuck indicted in Delaware on charges related to sexual contact with a minor, according to multiple sources - @cbsbaltimore
read more on cbslocal.com

I have no words. But I bet not one of the people who clucked-clicked about Lena Dunham will comment on Shattuck’s shenanigans.

851 Targetpractice  Nov 5, 2014 7:37:36am

re: #848 Varek Raith

I just got a call reminding me to vote.
e_e

…better late than never?

852 RealityBasedEbola  Nov 5, 2014 7:37:42am

re: #839 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#834

Sounds like some true geniuses there.

Which reminds me, why did Dictator Obama allow the 2014 elections to be held and for all these people to keep their gunz? /

I think the plan is to lull them into a false sense of security, then the Gay Muslim Transgendered Secular Humanist Gestapo will swoop in and send them off to the FEMA camps. (In hybrid powered buses of course).

853 jamesfirecat  Nov 5, 2014 7:38:00am

re: #842 Vicious Piebola

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////I don’t know he was a papist after all that probably means he believes in evolution…

854 Mattand  Nov 5, 2014 7:38:31am

re: #852 RealityBasedEbola

I think the plan is to lull them into a false sense of security, then the Gay Muslim Transgendered Secular Humanist Gestapo will swoop in and send them off to the FEMA camps. (In hybrid powered buses of course).

That was the plot to Season 3 of 24, IIRC.

855 Justanotherhuman  Nov 5, 2014 7:39:24am

Even though he often acts like a Republican…

Aide of Sen. Joe Manchin, D-WV, disputes rumors that he might switch parties: ‘No. Not a chance. Never gonna happen’ - @sahilkapur
end of alert

856 rhuarc  Nov 5, 2014 7:40:41am

At least my congressional district, ILL-17, sent back the Democrat instead of voting for the Republican who won the district 4 years ago and then lost it 2 years ago. It’s the small things I guess.

857 Jenner7  Nov 5, 2014 7:41:25am

I really need to stop reading the headlines. I’m still quite bitter about last night, but it will pass. Hoping we don’t screw things up even further and elect a Republican in two years. A lot can change in two years, so we’ll see. Maybe Republicans will have a change of heart and work with this President.

HA!

858 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 5, 2014 7:42:05am

re:
#856

Was that Tammy Duckworth’s district?

859 Justanotherhuman  Nov 5, 2014 7:43:53am

re: #851 Targetpractice

…better late than never?

Ha. I got a couple of late calls last night…after the polls had closed. Don’t know who had their msg on automatic, though.

I just hang up.

860 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 5, 2014 7:44:11am

re:
#846

‘Big tent Republicans win big races. Congratulations’ -

Ideological purists like Erick son of Erick and Archmoron blogger Chuck C. Johnson won’t like this ‘big-tent’ business.

861 HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2014 7:45:05am

re: #849 jamesfirecat

A party does badly in a mid term election while they have a president in the White House.

That’s utterly unimaginable!

Look don’t get your bags packed till we donkeys loose in 2016, the selection of senators up for reflection was horrible, and democrats never do that well in midterms anyway.

Remember Citizens United didn’t keep Obama from winning in 2012, there’s no proof these hops will keep us from winning in 2016, and now that we actually have seen the voter restrictions in action there will be more “basis” for cases to brought against them.

Also if you’re going to leave the US why do you feel Oman is better than Canada? Isn’t Canada the go to “15% more liberal” version of the US that most people consider going to? (Am unaware of any major animus among Canadians toward Muslims if I am incorrect please feel free to inform me).

2004 was even worse than 2010 for me. I was a 17 year old kid then. A very idealistic liberal and one that had even gone to Pennsylvania to canvass for Kerry. I think I was the only person in my government or poli-sci class that left the state to canvass. And then I saw that Bush’s campaign had relied heavily on relying on people opposing gay marriage to win re-election and I just lost a lot of faith. Now, I am still disillusioned ten years later but that’s okay because you learn from defeats. There will always be nights like last night in politics.

862 Sionainn  Nov 5, 2014 7:45:07am

re: #847 Mattand

I can’t disagree with him. They’re going to try, at any rate.

Sure, they are going to try and they are not going to succeed. My question was based on the whole body of PLL’s posts.

863 rhuarc  Nov 5, 2014 7:45:59am

re: #858 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Nope. Cheri Bustos.

864 Justanotherhuman  Nov 5, 2014 7:46:18am

Need a nap since I’ve been up since about 2 am. That’s how much this election affected me. Can’t sleep, but I know it will pass.

So, keep calm and carry on, Lizards.

Later. : )

865 Vicious Piebola  Nov 5, 2014 7:48:08am

re: #863 rhuarc

Nope. Cheri Bustos.

That sounds like a stripper name.

866 FemNaziBitch  Nov 5, 2014 7:50:15am
867 ipsos  Nov 5, 2014 7:50:51am

re: #843 Justanotherhuman

There may be a reason Milne hasn’t conceded to Shumlin. Vermont’s election rules are weird. If you don’t get 50% of the vote for governor - and neither Shumlin nor Milne did - it goes to the state legislature to pick a winner.

The Vermont legislature is, as you’d assume, heavily D, so Shumlin should be the pick there, but the election really hasn’t ended yet, and Milne still has the right to make a case to the lej to pick him now. (And the lej has the right to make him governor, if for some reason they want to, which I don’t think they will.)

868 HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2014 7:51:55am

re: #866 FemNaziBitch

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I have to say and I live in the upper south at that, there’s a lot of people here who aren’t over the Civil Rights Movement and hell go even more south, you find plenty o people who aren’t over Appamatox.

869 FemNaziBitch  Nov 5, 2014 7:53:12am

re: #856 rhuarc

At least my congressional district, ILL-17, sent back the Democrat instead of voting for the Republican who won the district 4 years ago and then lost it 2 years ago. It’s the small things I guess.

I’m totally thrilled Jim Oberweis didn’t win.

870 HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2014 7:53:22am

By the way, did Gillespie concede to Warner or not?

871 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2014 7:55:54am

re: #797 Vicious Piebola

So, how does a Duggar gal go from demure innocent virgin to hot sexy sex kitten luv u longtime in just one blink of an eye?

She just lays still, closes her eyes and thinks of jesus…

872 makeitstop  Nov 5, 2014 7:56:35am

re: #860 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#846

Ideological purists like Erick son of Erick and Archmoron blogger Chuck C. Johnson won’t like this ‘big-tent’ business.

They’re gonna need a big tent to pile up all the money they’re planning on stealing.

873 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 5, 2014 7:57:41am

re:
#861

Now, I am still disillusioned ten years later but that’s okay because you learn from defeats. There will always be nights like last night in politics.

1994 hit me the hardest, 2002 to a lesser extent. The sudden death of Paul Wellstone in a plane accident and the brouhaha the GOP made about the so-called “politicizing” of his funeral, and the media buy-in, just infuriated me.

But after the 1992 election and even after 2008 I still thought the Next Liberal Era was ready to be launced and each time it came down with a thud. Although I do think Obama’s presidency has had much greater lasting influence, in the passing of healthcare and the spread of SSM, although the latter is not really due to Obama directly.

But I’m less worried now than in past years. I’ve lived through enough of these political cycles to know that there will be another coming around the bend soon.

2004 was probably more of a pivotal year, though, for me. Not necessarily politically, but

874 FemNaziBitch  Nov 5, 2014 7:57:42am
875 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 5, 2014 7:57:51am

re: #868 HappyWarrior

I have to say and I live in the upper south at that, there’s a lot of people here who aren’t over the Civil Rights Movement and hell go even more south, you find plenty o people who aren’t over Appamatox.

I haven’t been way down South for a number of years. Do they still sport “Forget Hell!” bumper stickers there?

876 freetoken  Nov 5, 2014 7:58:23am

re: #777 FemNaziBitch

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1 more time. Texas. Wendy Davis.

But she lost by a landslide, even among women (white.)

877 HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2014 8:00:50am

re: #875 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I haven’t been way down South for a number of years. Do they still sport “Forget Hell!” bumper stickers there?

That’s probably before my time but I will tell you I see way too many Confederate flags here. I remember driving down to Richmond with a college classmate from New York state and he was just amazed to see all the CSA flags. His only experience with our state had been NoVa.

878 rhuarc  Nov 5, 2014 8:02:25am

re: #869 FemNaziBitch

Same! Supposedly Rauner won the governship, but Quinn isn’t conceding until all of the votes are counted. Not sure if being a sore loser or has a chance. We also passed a min wage hike proposal. So, except for the governor, a lot of good still happened in Illinois.

879 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 5, 2014 8:02:32am

re: #860 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#846

Ideological purists like Erick son of Erick and Archmoron blogger Chuck C. Johnson won’t like this ‘big-tent’ business.

I get a big tent in my trousers when I think of Sarah Palin

/

880 Skip Intro  Nov 5, 2014 8:03:15am

Looks to me like the War on Women has been a smashing GOP success. The War on African American voting worked out well, too.

All in all, for the Dems it was a WIPEOUT. Even here in Deep Blue, non-Gerrymandered California the GOP has made a good run at a couple of statewide offices. Even my worthless 9 term Democratic Congresswoman for Life almost got her ass handed to her.

881 FemNaziBitch  Nov 5, 2014 8:05:02am

re: #876 freetoken

But she lost by a landslide, even among women (white.)

See one of my early posts?

Texas White Women Suck

882 freetoken  Nov 5, 2014 8:05:21am

re: #880 Skip Intro

Well, here in SD county the turnout was only a third, and statewide it looks not much different.

883 freetoken  Nov 5, 2014 8:06:03am

re: #881 FemNaziBitch

See one of my early posts?

Texas White Women Suck

But they still vote, apparently.

884 FemNaziBitch  Nov 5, 2014 8:07:11am

bbl

885 Decatur Deb  Nov 5, 2014 8:07:29am

re: #807 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re:
#800

Thanks for fighting the good fight down there.

That was just a drill.

886 HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2014 8:07:38am

Well I look at my local results. New Congressperson. I am not optimistic or even cautiously optimistic about Barbara Comstock at all. I see nothing about her that suggests that she can at least give the pretense of bipartisanship especially knowing how she made her political bonafides in the 1990’s. Warner won re-election. Great but it was way way too close for someone who has governed this state well on both levels and that his opponent was the ultimate GOP hack in Ed Gillespie even more vomit inducing. Now our neighboring two districts kept their seats Democratic and Connolly actually did better than he did in the TP wave year of 2010. I was though hoping that the Dems in Arlington would nominate someone fresher than Don Beyer to replace the retiring Jim Moran but of course that seat was easily won.

887 JustMark  Nov 5, 2014 8:07:49am

re: #868 HappyWarrior

I have to say and I live in the upper south at that, there’s a lot of people here who aren’t over the Civil Rights Movement and hell go even more south, you find plenty o people who aren’t over Appamatox.

For example, that stupid CSA flag on I-95 near Fredericksburg…

888 Resident of The United States of Jesus  Nov 5, 2014 8:09:24am

Alan Grayson won? Holy crap.

889 HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2014 8:09:32am

re: #887 JustMark

For example, that stupid CSA flag on I-95 near Fredericksburg…

or the fact that we celebrated Lee-Jackson-King days for a long time. NoVa’s kept this state from going the route of an Alabama or Mississippi frankly.

890 Indy GOP Refugee  Nov 5, 2014 8:09:56am

The thing I am wondering this morning about the Senate is how many of the 51 are TEA PARTY and how many are establishment. Not a good question for Google. What say you guys?

Next, will this reduce or widen their divide? We might see establishment guys voting with moderate Dems on legislation the President signs?

891 HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2014 8:10:05am

re: #888 Resident of The United States of Jesus

Alan Grayson won? Holy crap.

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Well Grayson may be an asshole but he’s an asshole who doesn’t hide.

892 Skip Intro  Nov 5, 2014 8:11:48am

re: #890 Indy GOP Refugee

The thing I am wondering this morning about the Senate is how many of the 51 are TEA PARTY and how many are establishment. Not a good question for Google. What say you guys?

Next, will this reduce or widen their divide? We might see establishment guys voting with moderate Dems on legislation the President signs?

Not a fucking chance. None. Zero. Nada.

893 Vicious Piebola  Nov 5, 2014 8:11:53am
894 krypto  Nov 5, 2014 8:12:10am

Republicans succeeded in making it about Obama personally, not really about Obama’s policies. And now they are doing the expected thing of claiming the vote was a “mandate” for their own unspecified agenda that they didn’t even offer to voters.

And meanwhile the reality is that more than 60% of the public is against repeal of the ACA according to polls. Most say they “disfavor” it, which means merely that they believe some of the (mostly false) Republican claims about it, not that they want it repealed. At least four red states in yesterday’s election have voted to increase their state minimum wage. And those and other policies, that Obama supported along with many other Americans, are going to continue being implemented on many fronts even if federal legislation can now be blocked more effectively by Republicans.

895 Decatur Deb  Nov 5, 2014 8:12:17am

Back from de-signing. Now I will sit on a dungheap and scrape my pustules.

Or, I can take the kid to the Bouncy Castle place.

896 De Kolta Chair  Nov 5, 2014 8:12:39am

Record low voter derpout was seen across the country yesterday.

897 HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2014 8:13:47am

re: #890 Indy GOP Refugee

The thing I am wondering this morning about the Senate is how many of the 51 are TEA PARTY and how many are establishment. Not a good question for Google. What say you guys?

Next, will this reduce or widen their divide? We might see establishment guys voting with moderate Dems on legislation the President signs?

What troubles me is many of the establishment guys feel the need they have to act like TP guys to fend off primary challenges. None of them want to be the next Dick Lugar. So in otherwords an establishment type like Graham has the capability of showing that he can act like a man of reason but the second the crazies start attacking him, he’ll become more of a partisan. Sorry to sound so cynical but I just am. Many of the establishment types that we could hope for on that sort of legislation were primaried out in 2012/10.

898 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 5, 2014 8:14:02am

re: #890 Indy GOP Refugee

We might see establishment guys voting with moderate Dems on legislation the President signs?

No. The overarching GOP mission for the next two years is to heap shit on Democrats at every turn. Voting to pass legislation that could be seen as Democratic, or even democratic, is dead out.

899 Vicious Piebola  Nov 5, 2014 8:14:17am
900 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 5, 2014 8:15:51am

re:
#891

Well Grayson may be an asshole but he’s an asshole who doesn’t hide.

Which reminds me, what of Allen West? If that psychopath isn’t occupying a seat in Congress again, than today got just a little brighter.

901 Skip Intro  Nov 5, 2014 8:15:58am

re: #896 De Kolta Chair

Record low voter derpout was seen across the country yesterday.

Well, it’s not like anything important was at stake, like ramming through Keystone, starting another ME war, or going after the ACA piece by piece by cutting funding. Same goes for the EPA and probably the CDC. Then, of course, there are all the judicial appointments that will never be confirmed.

Nope, no reason for Dems to vote at all.

902 Vicious Piebola  Nov 5, 2014 8:16:01am

Not just racist but homophobic too.

903 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 5, 2014 8:17:10am

re: #895 Decatur Deb

In the desert
I saw a creature, naked, bestial,
Who, squatting upon the ground,
Held his heart in his hands,
And ate of it.
I said, “Is it good, friend?”
“It is bitter—bitter,” he answered;

“But I like it
“Because it is bitter,
“And because it is my heart.”

- Stephen Crane, “In the Desert”

904 Decatur Deb  Nov 5, 2014 8:17:11am

Waiting for validation from a candidate-by-candidate analysis, but here is a suggestion: Democrats probably should shut the fuck up about guns. BBL

905 Skip Intro  Nov 5, 2014 8:17:50am

re: #902 Vicious Piebola

Not just racist but homophobic too.

You know, you care about that, most people here care about that, but the country at large couldn’t give a shit.

906 freetoken  Nov 5, 2014 8:19:45am

Ebola and ISIS Are Making American Voters Go Crazy. Here’s How Irrational Fears Shape Elections.

Between October 21 and 25, House and Senate candidates ran 734 ads citing the threat of Ebola. Some candidates charged that by failing to secure the border with Mexico, Democrats were allowing cases of Ebola into the United States. North Carolina Republican Thom Tillis, who is running for Senate [eds. and won], warned, “We’ve got an Ebola outbreak, we have bad actors that can come across the border; we need to seal the border and secure it.” Other candidates have linked border immigration to ISIS, suggesting that Islamist terrorists would be crossing the border to threaten Americans. The Republican National Committee ran an ad that concluded, “Vote to keep terrorists off U.S. soil.” Several candidates, including Kentucky Senator Mitch McConnell, included video from ISIS in their ads.

These ads may or may not sway voters, but they are responding to widespread fear of Ebola and ISIS. Voters regard the American response to these threats as being among the most important issues in this election. In an extensive AP poll taken in mid-October, 73 percent of likely voters ranked the threat ISIS and 74 percent the danger of Ebola as “extremely or very important.” A Harvard School of Public Health poll found that 39 percent of Americans believe that there will be a large-scale Ebola epidemic, and 26 percent believe that someone in their immediate family will get it.

Not all fears are irrational, but there is a sheer element of nuttiness in these current fears. There has been and is no epidemic in the United States. There have now been only four cases of Ebola in the United States, one of which resulted in a fatality. Several hundred people died last winter from the swine flu without causing a similar panic. ISIS is clearly an evil outfit, and there may be good foreign policy grounds for attempting to contain or defeat it. But it appears to have far less ability to directly threaten the United States than Al Qaeda and its various affiliates. Yet, according to an NBC poll, 47 percent of Americans think the United States is “less safe” than it was before September 11.

[…]

907 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 5, 2014 8:19:51am

re: #890 Indy GOP Refugee

The thing I am wondering this morning about the Senate is how many of the 51 are TEA PARTY and how many are establishment. Not a good question for Google. What say you guys?

Next, will this reduce or widen their divide? We might see establishment guys voting with moderate Dems on legislation the President signs?

Only if those GOP congressmen want to lose their seats in the next primary.

908 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 5, 2014 8:20:56am

re: #898 Higgs Boson’s Mate

No. The overarching GOP mission for the next two years is to heap shit on Democrats at every turn. Voting to pass legislation that could be seen as Democratic, or even democratic, is dead out.

They will pass legislation that Obama is certain to veto so they can claim that he is the obstructionist.

909 HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2014 8:21:44am

re: #906 freetoken

Ebola and ISIS Are Making American Voters Go Crazy. Here’s How Irrational Fears Shape Elections.

Shocker. And of course the American people vote for the party that has cut from CDC and voted against more funding going to the parts of Africa where Ebola is actually a problem. But nope they want to vote for the guys who talk scary about Ebola.

910 SteelPH  Nov 5, 2014 8:22:00am

The election results have been… really depressing (As a sufferer of clinical depression, this just piles it on and the gloating from the right is starting to edge me into dangerous territory. I’m trying to hold up as best as possible).

It absolutely boggles the mind how people so readily vote against their self-interest, or don’t even bother voting at all despite their contempt for the GOP craziness.

Times like this, I wish I drank.

911 freetoken  Nov 5, 2014 8:22:12am

Oh, I left off the best part:

In the wake of September 11, and of the anthrax letters, Americans feared new terrorist attacks, and credited George W. Bush and the Republicans with warding them off. These fears lingered, however, well after there were reasonable grounds for expecting an attack, and were more prevalent in a state like West Virginia or Idaho than in a state like New York that might have been a more obvious target for a terrorist group. In trying to explain how these fears had affected the election of 2004, I discovered the work done by three psychologists, Sheldon Solomon, Jeff Greenberg, and Tom Pyszczynski, who, inspired by the late anthropologist Ernest Becker, developed a theory they called “terror management.” They devised ingenious experiments to show that the mere thought of one’s mortality—delivered even through subliminal cues—can trigger a range of emotions, from disdain for other races, religions, and nations, to a preference for charismatic over pragmatic leaders, to a heightened attraction to traditional mores.

[…]

912 HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2014 8:23:21am

re: #910 SteelPH

The election results have been… really depressing (As a sufferer of clinical depression, this just piles it on and the gloating from the right is starting to edge me into dangerous territory. I’m trying to hold up as best as possible).

It absolutely boggles the mind how people so readily vote against their self-interest, or don’t even bother voting at all despite their contempt for the GOP craziness.

Times like this, I wish I drank.

Hang in there dude.

913 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 5, 2014 8:24:56am

re: #857 Jenner7

I really need to stop reading the headlines. I’m still quite bitter about last night, but it will pass. Hoping we don’t screw things up even further and elect a Republican in two years. A lot can change in two years, so we’ll see. Maybe Republicans will have a change of heart and work with this President.

HA!

Remember that it was a wave because Chuck Todd said it was.
///

914 bratwurst  Nov 5, 2014 8:26:59am
915 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 5, 2014 8:27:21am

re: #877 HappyWarrior

That’s probably before my time but I will tell you I see way too many Confederate flags here. I remember driving down to Richmond with a college classmate from New York state and he was just amazed to see all the CSA flags. His only experience with our state had been NoVa.

In my drive through Tennessee in late August I saw fairly few CSA flags, battle or otherwise. (Outside of appropriate historical sites that is.)

916 HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2014 8:28:25am

re: #915 Feline Fearless Leader

In my drive through Tennessee in late August I saw fairly few CSA flags, battle or otherwise. (Outside of appropriate historical sites that is.)

I actually saw a lot of them when I was in the towns near the Antietam and Gettysburg battlefields. Never been to TN though.

917 Vicious Piebola  Nov 5, 2014 8:28:34am
918 Skip Intro  Nov 5, 2014 8:30:31am

re: #909 HappyWarrior

Shocker. And of course the American people vote for the party that has cut from CDC and voted against more funding going to the parts of Africa where Ebola is actually a problem. But nope they want to vote for the guys who talk scary about Ebola.

And vote for the party that cut funding for embassy security while holding I don’t even know any more how many hearings on BENGHAZI.

They also put the party that was in control back in 2007 when the whole damn economy almost fell into a black hole back in office because they believe the GOP is “better on the economy”.

You really can’t overestimate the power of having a 24/7 fake news channel like Fox, created by a Republican operative solely for propaganda purposes, on shaping the message the populous hears and believes. Having the once somewhat respectable networks like CNN and the alphabet channels mimicking Fox only makes things worse.

919 Skip Intro  Nov 5, 2014 8:31:34am

re: #910 SteelPH

Times like this, I wish I drank.

Just as well you don’t. It doesn’t help.

920 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 5, 2014 8:32:09am

re: #906 freetoken

But Chuck Todd says that the voters don’t care about ISIS or Ebola.
///

921 HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2014 8:32:14am

Funny how Mia Love “proves” they’re not racist but that doesn’t stop them from saying the Dems and the KKK have the same ideology even though there’s been African American Democrats in Congress every session since the 30’s. Kind of I guess like how they point ot Ben Carson and say seeeeeeeeeee I’d vote for him, I’m not racist but call white liberals who vote for Obama racist. What conservatives and Republicans will never get is it’s their actions that get them labeled racists. It’s the Southern Strategy that is still used to this day.

922 HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2014 8:34:20am

re: #918 Skip Intro

And vote for the party that cut funding for embassy security while holding I don’t even know any more how many hearings on BENGHAZI.

They also put the party that was in control back in 2007 when the whole damn economy almost fell into a black hole back in office because they believe the GOP is “better on the economy”.

You really can’t overestimate the power of having a 24/7 fake news channel like Fox, created by a Republican operative solely for propaganda purposes, on shaping the message the populous hears and believes. Having the once somewhat respectable networks like CNN and the alphabet channels mimicking Fox only makes things worse.

Yeah the media is a big part of the problem. They could be telling the American people that the R’s voted against embassy security but nope.

924 HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2014 8:35:49am

The media frankly loves to push this narrative that I see far too many Americans buy “Well both parties are just as responsible for the gridlock/economy/” Frankly, I think ti comes from a media that is too chickenshit to call out the right out on its behavior since Obama was elected.

925 HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2014 8:36:39am

re: #923 freetoken

Georgia pastor has his mind blown by European atheists: ‘If there’s no god, why should I believe?’

[Embedded content]

Video

Speaking of Georgia pastors, Jody Hice was easily elected. A new member for the Congressoinal Lunatic Caucus.

926 Mike Lamb  Nov 5, 2014 8:39:10am

I’m just going to leave this here…I can take him about as seriously as pundits right now.

927 Indy GOP Refugee  Nov 5, 2014 8:39:50am

re: #924 HappyWarrior

The media frankly loves to push this narrative that I see far too many Americans buy “Well both parties are just as responsible for the gridlock/economy/” Frankly, I think ti comes from a media that is too chickenshit to call out the right out on its behavior since Obama was elected.

And wants to pretend the government is far more responsible for the health of the economy than actual business conditions from local to global. Did government make the dot com boom happen? Nope. It started the infrastructure than stayed out of the way. Hello Ebay, Amazon Paypal etc.

928 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 5, 2014 8:39:52am

re:
#926

Actually I can take this little guy a lot more seriously than our professional pundit class.

929 HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2014 8:40:12am

re: #926 Mike Lamb

I’m just going to leave this here…I can take him about as seriously as pundits right now.

He’s probably more insightful. Certainly more intelligent.

930 HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2014 8:42:01am

re: #927 Indy GOP Refugee

And wants to pretend the government is far more responsible for the health of the economy than actual business conditions from local to global. Did government make the dot com boom happen? Nope. It started the infrastructure than stayed out of the way. Hello Ebay, Amazon Paypal etc.

Right. But people love to blame imaginary “big government” for everytime things aren’t ideal. My question as it was last night is how the hell do you overwhelmingly approval a minimum wage hike and then go vote equally overwhelmingly for candidates who not only oppose it but some who even find the very idea unconstitutional. And so it’s clear, I’m not talking about minimum wage in specific here but many issues that voters told pollsters were important yet voted for candidates that had the opposite view of their opinion.

931 Vicious Piebola  Nov 5, 2014 8:44:24am

Wingnuts are saying Joni Ernst proves they’re “not sexist” but spew the firehose of sexist rage at Wendy Davis.

932 HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2014 8:44:38am

I also don’t get how you can claim to be dissatisfied with Congress and yet give the party that controls the purse strings (the House) a majority in the Senate. I am really tired of how easily Congresspeople get re-elected too. The gerrymandering is absurd. There’s something very wrong when there are many states that have elected Obama twice yet have a proportion of 2:1 Reps to Dems for Congressional representation.

933 freetoken  Nov 5, 2014 8:45:06am

re: #931 Vicious Piebola

Wingnuts are saying Joni Ernst proves they’re “not sexist” but spew the firehose of sexist rage at Wendy Davis.

One word: Je$u$

934 Vicious Piebola  Nov 5, 2014 8:45:16am

[blocked this guy’s dumb ass]

935 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 5, 2014 8:50:22am

re: #654 wheat-dogghazi-bola

The Republic will survive.

Ted Cruz hasn’t erected a guillotine on the Place de la Révolution National Mall or declared the convening of the Committee of Public Safety…but give him time. The day is young.

936 Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 5, 2014 8:52:13am

re: #925 HappyWarrior

Speaking of Georgia pastors, Jody Hice was easily elected. A new member for the Congressoinal Lunatic Caucus.

He sounds like Gohmert…but more Jesus(!)

937 calochortus  Nov 5, 2014 8:53:44am

re: #910 SteelPH

The election results have been… really depressing (As a sufferer of clinical depression, this just piles it on and the gloating from the right is starting to edge me into dangerous territory. I’m trying to hold up as best as possible).

It absolutely boggles the mind how people so readily vote against their self-interest, or don’t even bother voting at all despite their contempt for the GOP craziness.

Times like this, I wish I drank.

Yeah. What we see as people making really bad choices for themselves and everyone else sucks. The possible silver lining is the GOP making themselves really unpopular by 2016. They were largely elected by people who were just unhappy with the way things are now, not people who really want to live in an Objectivist Paradise.

Hang in there.

938 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 5, 2014 8:54:45am

re: #924 HappyWarrior

The media frankly loves to push this narrative that I see far too many Americans buy “Well both parties are just as responsible for the gridlock/economy/” Frankly, I think ti comes from a media that is too chickenshit to call out the right out on its behavior since Obama was elected.

The two keywords here are “media” and “narrative.” The media no longer reports, it fits tidbits from Reuters and AP into standardized narratives. Anything that doesn’t fit the narrative is minimized or ignored. One of the most pernicious narratives it that our two party system is the bestest political system in the whole world. If the media were to report that one of those political parties has gone off of the rails and should not get the vote then the two party narrative, and horserace political reporting, goes out the window. That would leave leave our intrepid journos with nothing to cut and paste. Oh the humanity!

939 BeenHereAwhile  Nov 5, 2014 9:44:42am

re: #916 HappyWarrior

-snip-

Never been to TN though.

“But I kinda like their music.”

940 sffilk  Nov 5, 2014 10:03:19am

re: #810 Varek Raith

Thanks.
Hate to be an ass, but they are mostly just Republicans with a smattering of libertarian ideas.

Most of their policies are very RW.

If such is the case, then I erred. That said, none of the other candidates were the least of all evils in their particular races. Plus, had I voted Democratic in either of them, it would not have mattered. Even if all the votes for the Libertarian candidates went to the Democratic candidates, both still would have lost by over 100,000 votes apiece. It would not have mattered one iota.


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