Just What Ferguson Needs: An Extreme Right Wing Anti-Government Militia

The far right flexes its muscles in Missouri
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Now showing up in Ferguson, Missouri: the “Oathkeepers,” one of the most extreme right wing militia groups in the US and one of many offshoots of the Patriot movement, with numerous ties to white nationalist and xenophobic anti-immigrant groups. Founder Stewart Rhodes believes Barack Obama is plotting to disarm American citizens and turn US cities into “giant concentration camps.” He explained the goals of the group like this:

“We say if the American people decide it’s time for a revolution, we’ll fight with you.”

It’s doubtful the addition of these far right gun worshippers to the volatile Ferguson situation is going to make things better.

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109 comments
1 Iwouldprefernotto  Dec 2, 2014 3:07:29pm

What could go wrong?

2 Kragar  Dec 2, 2014 3:07:41pm
3 Kragar  Dec 2, 2014 3:09:39pm

The Oath Keepers.

The same folks who were ready and willing to use women and children as human shields when they were aiming sniper rifles at cops at Bundy Ranch.

But don’t dare call them racist reactionary shit balls.

4 Mike Lamb  Dec 2, 2014 3:10:12pm

Given the stated goals, why, then, wouldn’t they be watching the police?

5 nearly-headless smith25  Dec 2, 2014 3:12:24pm

Oahtkeep these guys.

6 Kragar  Dec 2, 2014 3:13:05pm

The same folks who were outraged by songs like “Fuck the Police” and “Cop Killer” 20 years ago are the ones who say they need to be ready to shoot cops in the name of freedom and liberty today.

7 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 2, 2014 3:15:47pm

Goddamn OathBreakers need to have their toys taken away, be given a spanking and sent home to mommy.

8 nearly-headless smith25  Dec 2, 2014 3:17:36pm

Police harassment and brutality of Minority communities has given small government conservatives/libertarians a way to have a political connection with minority communities. The issues of a governmental system in the criminal justice system, and governmental actors in the police, should offer an opportunity for outreach…

Oh, what am I talking about? It’s minorities being disrespected by the government, that’s okay to these groups.

9 Kragar  Dec 2, 2014 3:20:08pm

Todd Starnes apparently tried thinking again today.

10 darthstar  Dec 2, 2014 3:24:16pm
11 Kragar  Dec 2, 2014 3:29:44pm
12 Dr. Matt  Dec 2, 2014 3:30:26pm

I really wish Prez Obama would open the damned FEMA concentration camps. I’m getting tired of shining my jackboots for nothing every day!

13 nearly-headless smith25  Dec 2, 2014 3:31:22pm

Things that make you go hmmmm….

14 Kragar  Dec 2, 2014 3:32:50pm

re: #12 Dr. Matt

I really wish Prez Obama would open the damned FEMA concentration camps. I’m getting tired of shining my jackboots for nothing every day!

We’re supposed to be on a timetable here. We’re supposed to have seized every gun in the US, destroyed the armed services and killed over 100 million people before 2016. You can’t rush these things at the last minute and expect them to be done right.

15 jaunte  Dec 2, 2014 3:33:32pm
Founder Stewart Rhodes believes Barack Obama is plotting to disarm American citizens and turn US cities into “giant concentration camps.”

Why would a mostly black community be disinclined to trust a mostly white vigilante group? Let me think…

16 RealityBasedSteve  Dec 2, 2014 3:37:14pm

re: #12 Dr. Matt

I really wish Prez Obama would open the damned FEMA concentration camps. I’m getting tired of shining my jackboots for nothing every day!

The issue ones gave me blisters. I spent the money to get the Corfam ones, look great all the time, and just needs a little Pledge to keep them shiny.

RBS

17 b_sharp  Dec 2, 2014 3:37:55pm

re: #14 Kragar

We’re supposed to be on a timetable here. We’re supposed to have seized every gun in the US, destroyed the armed services and killed over 100 million people before 2016. You can’t rush these things at the last minute and expect them to be done right.

Don’t get in a rush. Timing is everything and the foundation for action has to be laid carefully.

18 Varek Raith  Dec 2, 2014 3:38:23pm

re: #14 Kragar

We’re supposed to be on a timetable here. We’re supposed to have seized every gun in the US, destroyed the armed services and killed over 100 million people before 2016. You can’t rush these things at the last minute and expect them to be done right.

Rumor has it we’re going with the ‘Big Ass Rock from Space’ plan.

19 b_sharp  Dec 2, 2014 3:40:00pm

re: #18 Varek Raith

Rumor has it we’re going with the ‘Big Ass Rock from Space’ plan.

I had no idea you were a consultant in this matter.

20 Kragar  Dec 2, 2014 3:40:25pm

re: #18 Varek Raith

Rumor has it we’re going with the ‘Big Ass Rock from Space’ plan.

How many fricking times to we have to go over this?

Rocks are NOT “free”, citizen.

Firstly, you must manoeuvre the Emperor’s naval vessel within reach of the asteroid belt, almost assuredly sustaining damage to the Emperor’s ship’s paint from micrometeoroids, while expending the Emperor’s fuel.

Then the tech priests must inspect the rock in question to ascertain its worthyness to do the Emperor’s bidding. Should it pass muster, the Emperor’s Servitors must use the Emperor’s auto-scrappers and melta-cutters to prepare the potential ordinance for movement. Finally, the tech priests finished, the Emperor’s officers may begin manoeuvring the Emperor’s warship to abut the asteroid at the prepared face (expending yet more of the Emperor’s fuel), and then begin boosting the stone towards the offensive planet.

After a few days of expending a prodigious amount of the Emperor’s fuel to accelerate the asteroid into an orbit more fitting to the emperor’s desires, the Emperor’s ship may then return to the planet via superluminous warp travel and await the arrival of the stone, still weeks (or months) away.

After twiddling away the Emperor’s time and eating the Emperor’s food in the wasteful pursuit of making sure that the Emperor’s enemies do not launch a deflection mission, they may finally watch the ordinance impact on the planet (assuming the Emperor’s warship does not need to attempt any last-minute course correction upon the rock, using yet more of the Emperor’s fuel).

Given a typical (class Bravo-CVII) system, we have the following:
Two months, O&M, Titan class warship: 4.2 Million Imperials.
Two months, rations, crew of same: 0.2 MI
Two months, Tech Priest pastor: 1.7 MI
Two months, Servitor parish: 0.3 MI
Paint, Titan class warship: 0.9 MI
Dihydrogen peroxide fuel: 0.9 MI
Total: 9.8 MI

Contrasting with the following:
5 warheads, magna-melta: 2.5 MI
One day, O&M, Titan class warship: 0.3 MI
One day, rations, crew of same: 0.0 MI
Dihydrogen peroxide fuel: 0.1 MI
Total: 2.9 MI

Given the same amount with under one third of the cost, the Emperor will have saved a massive amount of His most sacred money and almost a full month of time, during which His warship may be bombarding an entirely different planet.

The Emperor, through this - His office of Imperial outlays - hereby orders you to attend one (1) week of therapeutic accountancy training/penance. Please report to Areicon IV, Imperial City, Administatum Building CXXI, Room 1456, where you are to sit in the BLUE chair.

For the Emperor,
Bursarius Tenathis,
Purser Level XI,
Imperial Office of Outlays.

21 b_sharp  Dec 2, 2014 3:43:25pm

re: #20 Kragar

How many fricking times to we have to go over this?

well, when you put it that way…

22 Varek Raith  Dec 2, 2014 3:43:29pm

re: #20 Kragar

They want plausible deniability.
You know, an unfortunate act of nature and that jazz.

23 Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 2, 2014 3:43:37pm

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24 Kragar  Dec 2, 2014 3:45:18pm

re: #23 Aunty Entity Dragon

Image: UWERN0W.jpg

Well done

25 Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 2, 2014 3:45:49pm

re: #24 Kragar

Well done

It was fun, I admit…

26 CuriousLurker  Dec 2, 2014 3:46:33pm

Apologies for going OT so early in the thread, but I’m feeling a bit gobsmacked by this info:

That is all.

27 Kragar  Dec 2, 2014 3:49:50pm

re: #25 Aunty Entity Dragon

It was fun, I admit…

28 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 2, 2014 3:50:53pm

Which is it that’s not level - the glasses, or the eyes on his face?

29 RealityBasedSteve  Dec 2, 2014 3:51:13pm

re: #20 Kragar

Somebody has WAY too much time on his hands.

RBS

30 Kragar  Dec 2, 2014 3:53:56pm

re: #28 Feline Fearless Leader

Which is it that’s not level - the glasses, or the eyes on his face?

31 Shiplord Kirel  Dec 2, 2014 3:55:21pm

re: #18 Varek Raith

Rumor has it we’re going with the ‘Big Ass Rock from Space’ plan.

Time for an update then.
We have eliminated Lubbock from the target list. Others on the committee agree that it richly deserves reduction to a reeking crater but feel that not enough people would notice or care.
Dallas and Fort Worth are also out, since they are close by and I don’t want the soot to blanket my pecan trees.
We considered Berkeley as a false flag op, but nobody would believe that right-wing imbeciles could control an asteroid, especially now that Cheney is out of the loop.

32 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2014 3:56:43pm

ICYMI downstairs, yes, it was this guy:

33 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 2, 2014 3:59:12pm

re: #9 Kragar

Just sayin’
34 Shiplord Kirel  Dec 2, 2014 3:59:42pm

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

ICYMI downstairs, yes, it was this guy:

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Far be it from me to excuse drunk driving, but the victim’s hat alone should qualify the perp for a reduced sentence on the grounds of extreme provocation.

35 BishopX  Dec 2, 2014 4:04:52pm

re: #34 Shiplord Kirel

Target fixation is a real problem…

36 dog philosopher  Dec 2, 2014 4:09:59pm

so you mean their real name is not ‘oaf keepers’???

37 RealityBasedSteve  Dec 2, 2014 4:11:26pm

re: #36 dog philosopher

so you mean their real name is not ‘oaf keepers’???

When they were watching over the bakery, did that make them “Loaf Keepers”

RBS

38 Kragar  Dec 2, 2014 4:14:14pm

re: #36 dog philosopher

so you mean their real name is not ‘oaf keepers’???

No, its Oaf Creepers.

39 b_sharp  Dec 2, 2014 4:14:55pm

re: #38 Kragar

No, its Oaf Creepers.

Yah beat me.

40 Kragar  Dec 2, 2014 4:16:33pm

And you just know that guy in the photo up top has to tell himself “Don’t yell WOLVERINES! Don’t yell WOLVERINES! Don’t yell WOLVERINES!”

41 Eventual Carrion  Dec 2, 2014 4:17:54pm

re: #37 RealityBasedEbola

When they were watching over the bakery, did that make them “Loaf Keepers”

RBS

Watching the grain silo’s, “Oat Keepers”.

42 Bubblehead II  Dec 2, 2014 4:18:17pm

Evening Lizards.

43 darthstar  Dec 2, 2014 4:18:35pm

re: #41 Eventual Carrion

Watching the grain silo’s, “Oat Keepers”.

Down by the river they’re boat keepers.

44 Eventual Carrion  Dec 2, 2014 4:20:31pm

re: #43 darthstar

Down by the river they’re boat keepers.

In the pasture they are “Goat Fuc Keepers”

45 b_sharp  Dec 2, 2014 4:22:16pm

In Weaseltown they’re stoat keepers.

46 ipsos  Dec 2, 2014 4:24:32pm

Anyone know how I can apply a universal filter to my FB feed that will zap anyone using the word “thug” in a post? Because it would save me a lot of time doing it manually.

47 De Kolta Chair  Dec 2, 2014 4:26:17pm

re: #9 Kragar

Todd Starnes apparently tried thinking again today.

48 Romantic Heretic  Dec 2, 2014 4:26:59pm

I refer to the Oath Keepers as ‘double patriots’. They remind me of some sectors of the Japanese military.

Thos people referred to themselves as ‘double patriots’ because they believed they were serving the higher interests of The Emperor while acting against the things and people they disagreed with.

Handy excuse.

They caused a lot of shit, and it could be argued they helped a lot in bringing WWII about.

The similarities between them and the Oath Keepers is very marked.

49 Skip Intro  Dec 2, 2014 4:29:49pm

If these losers need a lawyer, I’ve got just the right totally batshit insane one for them.

I need your help in finding lectures and meetings given by corrupt judges and officials who covered up Obama’s bogus IDs and who committed treason. We need to demand answers from them: why did they do it and when wll they clean up their act?

I need your help in finding lectures and meetings with corrupt judges and officials who covered up Obama’s bogus IDs and committed treason. We need to demand answers from them: why did they do it and wen will they clean up their act?

Please, bring your cameras, record their answers on video, upload those videos on the Internet. We need to confront each and every corrupt judge, who covered up Obama’s usurpation of Presidency with fabricated IDs, confront every corrupt official and congressman and demand answers. They typically give lectures, appear before different groups, sell their books and have question and answer sessions. The whole nation deserves answers. You see the damage Obama does to the whole nation. You see how he is stealing millions of American jobs and trillions of dollars with his amnesty. We need to know how these judges, officials and congressmen were threatened or intimidated. What caused them to commit treason and become criminally complicit in allowing this Americans hating criminal to sit in the WH with a stolen SSN and fabricated IDS.

Please, forward to Senator Grassley and every Senator on Judiciary committee my letter sent to the Attorney General nominee Loretta Lynch. Demand they question her during her nomination hearing, whether she will file criminal charges against Obama for his use of a stolen CT SSN REDACTED and his use of fabricated IDs.

Yeah, it’s Orly, and yeah, the duplicated first paragraph is from her too.

50 Mike Lamb  Dec 2, 2014 4:30:40pm

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

Love the part about why he doesn’t need a license…fuck people are stupid. Can we get the Rapture-o-matic fired up yet?

51 Skip Intro  Dec 2, 2014 4:32:29pm

re: #50 Mike Lamb

Love the part about why he doesn’t need a license…fuck people are stupid. Can we get the Rapture-o-matic fired up yet?

The tragic thing about this incident is that the accident didn’t cause his gun to discharge and blow that stupid hat to pieces.

52 Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 2, 2014 4:34:01pm

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

ICYMI downstairs, yes, it was this guy:

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Matt Drudge?
//

53 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2014 4:34:10pm

re: #50 Mike Lamb

Well, it’s the same guy who does all that “Open Carry Tarrant County” crap in retail stores.
And he always wears that stupid hat.

54 lawhawk  Dec 2, 2014 4:35:57pm

RWers will latch on to this as proof of something:

It’s part of an indictment filed against a man who made threats to kill Darren Wilson.

55 Zamb  Dec 2, 2014 4:37:37pm

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

So guy with a gun stands around interfering with law enforcement and acting openly hostile to cops and he wasn’t shot? Sounds exactly what every single person telling me Brown had it coming says qualifies you for the death penalty.

56 Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 2, 2014 4:38:31pm

re: #54 lawhawk

RWers will latch on to this as proof of something:

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Well, they’re certainly not Lone Wolves. They’re representatives of all black people, except maybe Allan West and Ben Carson.
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57 Shiplord Kirel  Dec 2, 2014 4:38:40pm

The guy in the picture appears to be adequately prepared for the cold. It does get cold in northern Iraq this time of year after all.

WHAT?

This isn’t an ISIS figther? Not even Iraq?

58 Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 2, 2014 4:39:12pm

re: #55 Zamb

So guy with a gun stands around interfering with law enforcement and acting openly hostile to cops and he wasn’t shot? Sounds exactly what every single person telling me Brown had it coming says qualifies you for the death penalty.

Just one TINY little difference….

59 lawhawk  Dec 2, 2014 4:41:32pm

re: #57 Shiplord Kirel

60 Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 2, 2014 4:44:42pm

re: #59 lawhawk

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I hate those enemy hens!

(Sorry dude. I live for funny typos)

61 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 2, 2014 4:45:07pm

re: #36 dog philosopher

so you mean their real name is not ‘oaf keepers’???

Oatkeepers!
62 b_sharp  Dec 2, 2014 4:46:25pm

re: #60 Blind Frog Belly White

I hate those enemy hens!

(Sorry dude. I live for funny typos)

You have the same affliction I do.

63 Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 2, 2014 4:47:54pm

Smoke me a (oath)Kipper, I’ll be back for breakfast!

64 Bubblehead II  Dec 2, 2014 4:48:26pm

Evening Lizards. To what tempest I need enter? Give me a list so I can be outraged? I grow bored.

DO YOU FUCKING PEOPLE EVEN HAVE A CLUE?

probably not.

Welcome to LGF

65 b_sharp  Dec 2, 2014 4:49:51pm

re: #64 Bubblehead II

Evening Lizards. To what tempest I need enter? Give me a list so I can be outraged? I grow bored.

DO YOU FUCKING PEOPLE EVEN HAVE A CLUE?

probably not.

Welcome to LGF

WTF?

66 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2014 4:52:19pm

re: #64 Bubblehead II

UpChuck is having a twitter war with Ben Shapiro and Dave Weigel.
Detroit’s power grid imploded.
Idiot white men with guns in a variety of locations and awkward situations.
A helicopter blew up and crashed into a building in Utah.
It’s raining a lot in California.

Take your pick.

67 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2014 4:53:39pm

re: #66 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh, and Israel’s government is being dissolved.
And Obama might be/maybe nominating Ashton not-the-Kutcher for Secretary of Defense.

68 jaunte  Dec 2, 2014 4:53:45pm
69 Bubblehead II  Dec 2, 2014 4:55:59pm

re: #65 b_sharp

Charlee

70 Bubblehead II  Dec 2, 2014 4:58:15pm

Night Lizards.

71 nines09  Dec 2, 2014 5:02:36pm

There are people on the rooftops with weapons! “Relax. They’re white.” Nice assault weapon. Collapsible stock, I see. Is that a flash suppressor? Oh, silencer? And I see you have multiple banana clips taped together and a backpack. With more handguns? Is that body armor? Ok. Welcome to Wal-Mart.

72 ObserverArt  Dec 2, 2014 5:14:16pm

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

ICYMI downstairs, yes, it was this guy:

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Hey…it’s my old Photoshop buddy Kory Watkins!

Are We Not Men? Not If We Don’t Have Guns!
73 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 2, 2014 5:17:13pm

re: #28 Feline Fearless Leader

Which is it that’s not level - the glasses, or the eyes on his face?

The personality.

74 De Kolta Chair  Dec 2, 2014 5:17:15pm

Little known rock ‘n’ roll fact: Barry Goldwater filled in for the ailing Brian Auger during the Oblivion Express’ first US tour.

75 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2014 5:18:35pm

That’s IT? THIS IS TEH MOAST SEEKRIT GARDEN!! THAT’S ALL IT IS. How lame.

76 nines09  Dec 2, 2014 5:23:22pm

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

ICYMI downstairs, yes, it was this guy:

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Thought I recognized the douche.

Look I’m famous! I’m a world renown DoucheBagNozzle!
77 nines09  Dec 2, 2014 5:29:27pm

re: #28 Feline Fearless Leader

Which is it that’s not level - the glasses, or the eyes on his face?

Everything. His whole and his everything. Actually, one leg is longer than the other and he’s wearing none corrective shoes with uneven insoles.

78 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2014 5:30:09pm

There is some Outrageous Outrage going on (it is a day ending in “y”!) OMG DISNEY HAS BANNED TEH G-WORD!!!1!!!!
Oh never mind it’s this douche who makes up fake outrages

79 wrenchwench  Dec 2, 2014 5:30:43pm

Youtube Video

80 Shiplord Kirel  Dec 2, 2014 5:34:44pm

re: #76 nines09

Thought I recognized the douche.

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What do you call that hat anyway? Retro-racketeer? Havana Used Cars? Ex-Jaycee?

81 #FergusonFireside  Dec 2, 2014 5:34:52pm

re: #2 Kragar

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Whoa. Catching up here.

82 Shiplord Kirel  Dec 2, 2014 5:36:09pm

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

ICYMI downstairs, yes, it was this guy:

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He looks like a guy who might know where Jimmy Hoffa is.
/Just saying.

83 #FergusonFireside  Dec 2, 2014 5:36:27pm

WW saw your post while in the catch up stage.

How are you doing? Kitties giving you tons of love?

84 Charles Johnson  Dec 2, 2014 5:37:08pm

re: #79 wrenchwench

Oh yes, I will be listening to this!

85 ObserverArt  Dec 2, 2014 5:38:49pm

re: #84 Charles Johnson

Oh yes, I will be listening to this!

I just boomarked it. It will be viewed this weekend or maybe for a holiday week evening or something.

Thanks Wrench! Good to see you back commenting and adding tunes again.

87 nines09  Dec 2, 2014 5:45:38pm

re: #80 Shiplord Kirel

What do you call that hat anyway? Retro-racketeer? Havana Used Cars? Ex-Jaycee?

State Fair and his last 5 Bucks. Gotta get something. Then someone said, “Hey. You look cool.” And here he is.

88 RealityBasedSteve  Dec 2, 2014 5:47:27pm

re: #87 nines09

State Fair and his last 5 Bucks. Gotta get something. Then someone said, “Hey. You look cool.” And here he is.

I had a friend who had an unfortunate fedora incident. He got better however.

RBS

89 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2014 5:51:46pm

jeez..he’s such a creepazoid:

90 nines09  Dec 2, 2014 5:51:59pm

re: #88 RealityBasedEbola

I had a friend who had an unfortunate fedora incident. He got better however.

RBS

I like hats. Caps. Old habits. I would sooner walk in front of a moving car than wear that dipshit barometer. His chapeau is El Cheapo. Get you in a fist fight in the wrong bar. Throw you out of a classy joint. “Sir? Allow me please to check your….ummmm….covering.” Some one probably tried to take it from him, and now it’s GOLD.

91 Kragar  Dec 2, 2014 5:52:18pm

re: #88 RealityBasedEbola

I had a friend who had an unfortunate fedora incident. He got better however.

RBS

Unfortunate Fedora Incident sounds like a great Indy band name

92 Jenner7  Dec 2, 2014 5:53:20pm

The 911 dispatcher should be fired. Why wouldn’t you tell cops that the caller thought it might be a toy gun??

This whole thing stinks and gd, this didn’t have to happen.

93 Usually refered to as anyways  Dec 2, 2014 5:59:14pm
My contribution
94 Floral Giraffe  Dec 2, 2014 6:00:01pm

re: #79 wrenchwench

Glad to “see” you here! Hope you are doing well!

95 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2014 6:02:55pm

re: #89 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeez..he’s such a creepazoid:

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Maybe he’s being played.

96 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2014 6:08:25pm

re: #95 The Vicious Fergushka

Maybe he’s being played.

yeah, I was thinking “updog”…

97 Mentis Fugit  Dec 2, 2014 6:32:20pm

re: #95 The Vicious Fergushka

Maybe he’s being played.

Take a look at @onetoughcarrot’s Twitter stream. I reckon…

98 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2014 6:32:52pm

re: #97 Mentis Fugit

Take a look at @onetoughcarrot’s Twitter stream. I reckon…

I did that already.
Need a shower…

99 meteor  Dec 2, 2014 6:56:02pm

Remember when threatening people was a crime?

100 [deleted]  Dec 3, 2014 6:02:40am
101 Special Forces Grunt  Dec 3, 2014 9:59:44am

I have a possible solution to Ferguson and other areas like it: don’t police, or minimally police, black neighborhoods.

That ought to keep both right and left wing folks happy.

102 walkingdeadhead  Dec 3, 2014 10:12:44am

re: #101 Special Forces Grunt

That’s kind of what we have in Detroit, where literally 70% of all murders go unsolved per year.
And given the hostility that the police face when they go into these…umm..urban neighborhoods, who would blame the police to let places like Detroit go it alone.

103 lawhawk  Dec 3, 2014 10:37:51am

re: #102 walkingdeadhead

The clearance rate nationally on homicides is quite low. Only about 52% of homicides are solved in Michigan as a whole. That’s down at the low end of clearances.

At the high end, Nebraska solves 84%, Arkansas solves 82%, and Maine 80%.

Most states are well in between.

As for cities, it depends on the resources they have to devote to clearing cold cases, testing DNA in rape kits, and other steps to solve crimes. Cities and states can make tremendous strides in clearing homicides. That goes to priorities - Philadelphia had a middling clearance rate, and they changed police commissioners and priorities and were able to start clearing cases at a significantly higher rate.

Detroit is at the low end, but that too is a symptom of a financially strained government.

When police treat the communities with respect, they get respect in return. When police treat the communities as the enemy, is it any wonder when the communities see the police as the enemy?

104 walkingdeadhead  Dec 3, 2014 10:44:05am

re: #103 lawhawk

I have to say, working near “the hood” the police display remarkable restraint when it comes to the daily interaction with the locals. I think putting body cameras on the cops will backfire on the progressives, because people will see just what it is that the cops have to deal with on a daily basis.
The cooperation that the cops get when it comes to inner city crime is almost nil. It takes a very brave person to face down this “snitches get stitches” attitude, which has already made its presence known in St. Louis.

fox2now.com

105 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 3, 2014 11:34:54am

re: #101 Special Forces Grunt

Wannabe says what?

Child, I’ve known many SF men. You aren’t one, faker. Go home, your mommy’s calling.

106 Special Forces Grunt  Dec 3, 2014 11:51:12am

RE: 105

Went to Training Group in ‘65 & O&I. After “3” qualification, assigned to 7th Group. Next to 5th Group in Vietnam in ‘66, where I received a direct commission. I went back to 5th Group in ‘69.

Perhaps we can arrange a meeting where I’ll show you the certificates, the Purple Hearts, CIB, and other decorations.

I ain’t no child, and haven’t been one in awhile.

Sorry, Billy, I am not a faker.

107 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 3, 2014 12:01:30pm

re: #106 Special Forces Grunt

RE: 105

Went to Training Group in ‘65 & O&I. After “3” qualification, assigned to 7th Group. Next to 5th Group in Vietnam in ‘66, where I received a direct commission. I went back to 5th Group in ‘69.

Perhaps we can arrange a meeting where I’ll show you the certificates, the Purple Hearts, CIB, and other decorations.

I ain’t no child, and haven’t been one in awhile.

Sorry, Billy, I am not a faker.

Post your DD214 then. IF it’s real, I’ll file a complaint with Brag because they were scraping the barrel then. Child.

108 Special Forces Grunt  Dec 3, 2014 12:32:26pm

RE: 107

Okay, Billy, I’m the author of this book:

randomhouse.com

Contact me via Random House if you wish.

By the way, it is Bragg, named after Braxton.

109 palomino  Dec 3, 2014 8:02:38pm

re: #108 Special Forces Grunt

RE: 107

Okay, Billy, I’m the author of this book:

randomhouse.com

Contact me via Random House if you wish.

By the way, it is Bragg, named after Braxton.

Ooh, you wrote a book in which you’re the hero. Very courageous.


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