In the Wake of Charlie Hebdo

Perspective is in order
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As of this posting, there are at least two separate hostage standoff situations near Paris. One is at a kosher market (I’ve heard it referred to as a supermarket, deli, or grocery) on Ave Porte de Vincennes in the 13th Arr (that’d be Southeastern Paris). The other is near Charles de Gaulle airport. There have also been reports of an incident near the Eiffel Tower in the Trocadero, but so far news about that incident is limited.

There have been casualties reported in one of the incidents, with at least two dead.

The two standoff situations appear related to each other and to the Charlie Hebdo attacks, as well as a separate attack resulting in the death of a French policewoman the other day. It’s likely all part of the same cell.

Yet, there’s something irking me about all this. We’re being told that it required training and tactics to carry off the attacks, yet the best this cell could manage was to kill a bunch of unarmed journalists and a couple of cops who were caught by surprise and off-guard before engaging in standoffs at locations like a grocery store.

Is this the best that al Qaeda in Yemen can do?

I know that sounds off or somehow callous but if you’re studying tactics, methods, and capabilities, al Qaeda has gone from being able to pull off spectacular attacks against the USS Cole (a military target no less), the African embassy bombings that killed hundreds of people, and 9/11, which killed nearly 3,000 people and injured thousands more, to now being able to attack a French satire paper.

That’s quite telling about the limits of what al Qaeda is able to do more than a decade after 9/11. It doesn’t mean let your guard down, but it should also put things in perspective.

Also putting things into perspective? That the cry and hue about Muslims overwhelming Europe are so vastly overblown that a handy dandy visual is needed to hammer it home:

Or, perhaps a few other statistics about the threats from terrorism:

And if you’re listening closely, just substitute Jew for Muslim in all those calls for banning Muslims from entering the country because the acts of a handful are indicative of the intent of all (and that’s the most limited kind of rhetoric streaming from the right, which also includes expulsion and flat out genocide). Even in France, where anti-Semitism is rampant, the fact is that most people - of all religions - just want to live in peace, and there are those who want to deny everyone that opportunity. They happen to include Islamist extremists who do not speak for all Muslims.

So, while attention is rightly focused on Paris and the search for the Charlie Hebdo killers, there’s Muslims living in fear of Islamic extremists the world over, and few places are more dangerous right now for Muslims than Nigeria where Boko Haram is operating with ruthless abandon. This terror group is rampaging across northeastern Nigeria, where reports of slaughter continue. That terror group is now threatening Cameroon as well, and Niger has now refused to assist Nigeria in retaking the area around Baga. Reports continue circulating that 2,000 or more people were killed by Boko Haram since the start of the year there, and that at least 20,000 people have been displaced. Some reportedly drowned attempting to flee across Lake Chad.

Yet, the silence and lack of media reports and access means that this horrific attack isn’t getting anywhere near the press coverage of the attacks in Paris.

UPDATE at 1/9/15 7:37:26 am by lawhawk


The police have indicated that an incident at Trocadero was a false alarm - reports that shots were fired near the Eiffel Tower were false.

UPDATE at 1/9/15 8:23:15 am by lawhawk


French security forces appear to have carried out rescue operations against both locations where the terrorists holed up. It also appears that several hostages have been freed and AFP is reporting that at least one of the terrorists was killed.

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157 comments
1 Click My Icon To Watch This Short French Film.  Jan 9, 2015 8:34:13am

I was just told that two murderers were killed.

2 Charles Johnson  Jan 9, 2015 11:28:30am

Greenwald has an incredibly verbose article up in which he makes the point that you can support free speech without posting bigoted cartoons — and he posts a bunch of bigoted and antisemitic cartoons to prove it. This guy has a screw loose.

He actually goes out of his way to declare Carlos Latuff “NOT bigoted or antisemitic.” Right. This is the hateful loon who won first place in Iran’s Holocaust denial cartoon contest.

I don’t know how anyone can read an entire Greenwald column like this without falling into a stupor.

3 Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 9, 2015 11:29:23am

Wow, those pie charts! I’m perpetually amazed at how people’s perceptions of some things are so wildly different from reality. Here, people in some countries where maybe 1 in 12 people are Muslim think it’s 1 in 3.

It’s like all those people who know for ABSOLUTE CERTAIN that Obama raised their taxes, and went on a spending binge. Or the general belief that we could eliminate the deficit by eliminating Foreign Aid, as if it were hundreds of Billions every year.

And these perceptions are rarely susceptible to change based on actual data.

4 lawhawk  Jan 9, 2015 11:29:23am

Four others are in critical condition.

I’d also point out that the ongoing #BokoHaram massacre that is severely underreported would be on the same level as the 9/11 attacks, the London bombings, the Madrid bombings, or even the #CharlieHebdo attacks. The size and scope of the attacks by the Boko Haram should justifiably get major media attention, but they aren’t.

That’s despite the fact that Boko Haram presents the kind of threat to Nigeria and its neighbors that the Taliban and al Qaeda posed to Afghanistan and Pakistan. They are a major regional threat in Africa.

And for that reason alone - that they are in Africa - relegates the massacre to something less than major coverage.

I, for one, am sickened by the lack of coverage there.

5 lawhawk  Jan 9, 2015 11:30:24am

re: #2 Charles Johnson

I started reading that screed, and then noticed all those anti-Semitic cartoons, and realized that the point he’s making isn’t the one he set out to make.

He just proves that he’s a nutbar who is blind to rampant anti Semitism.

6 Ace-o-aces  Jan 9, 2015 11:31:42am
7 Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 9, 2015 11:33:53am

re: #6 Ace-o-aces

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Jesus, what an asshole! I guess if you can’t say anything nice, say something really stupid.

8 b.d.  Jan 9, 2015 11:36:29am

re: #6 Ace-o-aces

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Some people would gladly vote for Ming the Merciless if he promised them safety.

9 Charles Johnson  Jan 9, 2015 11:37:08am

It’s amazing - even when I basically agree with Greenwald’s point, he still manages to be a repellent hateful creep.

10 Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 9, 2015 11:41:48am

re: #8 b.d.

Some people would gladly vote for Ming the Merciless if he promised them safety.

Mostly I think it’s because they share in Ming’s Cheney’s fantasies, and despite hearing from experts and those with actual experience in interrogations that torture elicits a lot of useless intel, they simply want to inflict pain on their enemies. The possibility that it might reveal important intel is simply the justification for the sadism.

11 Kragar  Jan 9, 2015 11:44:40am
12 lawhawk  Jan 9, 2015 11:45:30am
13 lawhawk  Jan 9, 2015 11:45:50am

Missed it by … that much.

14 Decatur Deb  Jan 9, 2015 11:47:06am

re: #13 lawhawk

Missed it by … that much.

Sorry about that.

15 b_sharp  Jan 9, 2015 11:52:35am

re: #10 Blind Frog Belly White

Mostly I think it’s because they share in Ming’s Cheney’s fantasies, and despite hearing from experts and those with actual experience in interrogations that torture elicits a lot of useless intel, they simply want to inflict pain on their enemies. The possibility that it might reveal important intel is simply the justification for the sadism.

“useless intel is better than no intel!!”

16 nearly-headless smith25  Jan 9, 2015 11:53:34am
17 b_sharp  Jan 9, 2015 11:53:42am

re: #13 lawhawk

Missed it by … that much.

Looks like your luck has been Maxed out.

18 Charles Johnson  Jan 9, 2015 11:54:29am
19 Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 9, 2015 11:54:53am

re: #15 b_sharp

“useless intel is better than no intel!!”

It’s better to kick down the WRONG door, and shoot the WRONG people, than to kick down NO doors and shoot nobody! It’ll prove we’re serious!!!

20 lawhawk  Jan 9, 2015 11:56:23am

re: #17 b_sharp

Don’t get smart with me. Nein Nein Nein.

21 Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 9, 2015 11:58:16am

re: #20 lawhawk

Don’t get smart with me. Nein Nein Nein.

Don’t make me put you two in the Cone of Silence.

22 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 11:59:46am
23 b_sharp  Jan 9, 2015 12:02:59pm

re: #21 Blind Frog Belly White

Don’t make me put you two in the Cone of Silence.

Who needs an iPhone when they have a shoephone?

24 Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 9, 2015 12:03:28pm

re: #23 b_sharp

Who needs an iPhone when they have a shoephone?

Can the iShoe be far behind?

25 BadExampleMan  Jan 9, 2015 12:04:26pm

re: #24 Blind Frog Belly White

Can the iShoe be far behind?

It’s a shoo-in.

26 Charles Johnson  Jan 9, 2015 12:05:29pm
27 unproven innocence  Jan 9, 2015 12:08:10pm

Is this the best that al Qaeda in Yemen can do?

Charles, that’s not a question that I really want an answer to. Above my pay grade, etc.

28 Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 9, 2015 12:09:28pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

Fucking monsters…

29 Dizzy  Jan 9, 2015 12:09:33pm

“Is this the best that al Qaeda in Yemen can do?”

Unfortunately that’s all they have to do. They’ve successfully communicated their message: anti-freedom, anti-Jew. Their target audience and sympathizers are paying attention. The next attack, when it happens, will gather more sympathizers to their cause.

30 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jan 9, 2015 12:09:47pm

re: #13 lawhawk

Missed it by … that much.

And loving it.

31 Charles Johnson  Jan 9, 2015 12:11:58pm
32 Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 9, 2015 12:12:20pm

re: #29 Dizzy

“Is this the best that al Qaeda in Yemen can do?”

Unfortunately that’s all they have to do. They’ve successfully communicated their message: anti-freedom, anti-Jew. Their target audience and sympathizers are paying attention. The next attack, when it happens, will gather more sympathizers to their cause.

Let’s not forget that a large part of their goal is to get the non-Muslim population of Western countries to isolate and alienate their Muslim countrymen, and in that they have the eager assistance of racists and bigots in those countries.

33 Kragar  Jan 9, 2015 12:13:01pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

They would have to leave their mom’s basement to do that.

34 blueraven  Jan 9, 2015 12:13:15pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Greenwald has an incredibly verbose article up in which he makes the point that you can support free speech without posting bigoted cartoons — and he posts a bunch of bigoted and antisemitic cartoons to prove it. This guy has a screw loose.

He actually goes out of his way to declare Carlos Latuff “NOT bigoted or antisemitic.” Right. This is the hateful loon who won first place in Iran’s Holocaust denial cartoon contest.

I don’t know how anyone can read an entire Greenwald column like this without falling into a stupor.

Just reading that and I am wondering if he was being sarcastic when he wrote this:

And here are some not-remotely-blasphemous-or-bigoted yet very pointed and relevant cartoons by the brilliantly provocative Brazilian cartoonist Carlos Latuff

reminiscent of the descriptions given to Charlie Hebdo?

after the posted (very offensive) cartoons he writes:

Is it time for me to be celebrated for my brave and noble defense of free speech rights? Have I struck a potent blow for political liberty and demonstrated solidarity with free journalism by publishing blasphemous cartoons? If, as Salman Rushdie said, it’s vital that all religions be subjected to “fearless disrespect,” have I done my part to uphold western values?

Yes, as usual, even when making a valid point about much of the media jumping to post Charlie Hebdo cartoons as an obligation, he manages to put off those who might otherwise agree with him on some points, at least, in principle.

35 Charles Johnson  Jan 9, 2015 12:15:33pm

re: #34 blueraven

No, he wasn’t being sarcastic about Latuff’s cartoons - that’s what he really believes.

36 lawhawk  Jan 9, 2015 12:15:46pm

re: #27 unproven innocence

I’m the one who posited the question.

As someone who studies ME policy and necessarily has come to cover global terrorism, especially by groups like al Qaeda, it’s one that needs to be asked - and it’s one that the intel services and policy makers are trying to figure out as well.

Have we degraded their capabilities to the point where they might be able to carry out attacks like this, or do they still have the ability for mass carnage on a scale as seen on 9/11.

Surely, they are aspiring to those kinds of death tolls, but it may be a lack of available terrorists and/or money that has prevented other mass casualty attacks (combined with law enforcement counter terrorism activities around the world).

Other terror groups seem more capable at killing, but those threats appear to be more regional in aspiration - like Boko Haram in Nigeria, ISIL in Iraq/Syria, and Taliban elements in Afghanistan/Pakistan. It is possible that those groups might expand their interest further afield; al Qaeda in Yemen regularly slaughters Muslims in attacks inside that country, but they keep trying to carry out attacks elsewhere (and the attacks in France are being attributed to terrorists claiming to be a part of that group).

37 blueraven  Jan 9, 2015 12:18:31pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

No, he wasn’t being sarcastic about Latuff’s cartoons - that’s what he really believes.

Well, he is very wrong then.

38 Kragar  Jan 9, 2015 12:19:49pm
39 b.d.  Jan 9, 2015 12:21:09pm

Out up one anti-Putin cartoon and see Glenn finger point, deflect and go bat shit crazy

40 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 12:21:10pm
41 Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 9, 2015 12:22:52pm

re: #38 Kragar

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Furious George.

42 Franklin  Jan 9, 2015 12:27:29pm

re: #38 Kragar

If Curious George is a monkey (and always very curious) why doesn’t he have a tail?

43 klystron  Jan 9, 2015 12:28:51pm

Thoughts with all those impacted by today’s violence. The world needs more peace and beauty, not more death and killing - more love, less divisions.

I hope for healing for all hurt by today’s news.

44 b.d.  Jan 9, 2015 12:29:11pm

re: #42 Franklin

If Curious George is a monkey (and always very curious) why doesn’t he have a tail?

He’s a special monkey and you don’t eat special monkeys all at once.

//

45 Franklin  Jan 9, 2015 12:31:15pm

re: #44 b.d.

He’s a special monkey and you don’t eat special monkeys all at once.

//

My kids love the original Curious George book, where he is abducted from the jungle and smokes a pipe.

46 klystron  Jan 9, 2015 12:31:58pm

My sister is relearning the yearly lesson of why going to school in the middle of bum-fuck nowhere serviced by two flights a day is not necessarily a good plan.

United was like “so sorry, here, you can fly out on Monday maybe, enjoy hanging around Chicago until then.”

47 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 9, 2015 12:33:58pm

re: #46 klystron

My sister is relearning the yearly lesson of why going to school in the middle of bum-fuck nowhere serviced by two flights a day is not necessarily a good plan.

United was like “so sorry, here, you can fly out on Monday maybe, enjoy hanging around Chicago until then.”

She can hang out with D_F!

48 CuriousLurker  Jan 9, 2015 12:35:34pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

No, he wasn’t being sarcastic about Latuff’s cartoons - that’s what he really believes.

Part of what bothers me about that type of “satire” is that now that people are calling it brave and a defense of free speech to post CH type caricatures, it gives license (and cover) to bigots & racists to use them (and similar drawings).

It won’t just be offensive caricatures of Muslims, it’ll be Muslims, Jews, Blacks, Hispanics, etc. Mark my words.

49 Charles Johnson  Jan 9, 2015 12:37:55pm
50 jamjam  Jan 9, 2015 12:38:14pm

re: #36 lawhawk

Lawhawk, check this Frontline episode out, if you haven’t already (and when you have the time). Definitely fits into your field of study (though you will probably know a good deal of it already): Al Qaeda in Yemen

51 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 12:39:46pm

re: #48 CuriousLurker

Part of what bothers me about that type of “satire” is that now that people are calling it brave and a defense of free speech to post CH type caricatures, it gives license (and cover) to bigots & racists to use them (and similar drawings).

It won’t just be offensive caricatures of Muslims, it’ll be Muslims, Jews, Blacks, Hispanics, etc. Mark my words.

All the #tcot wingnuts who were spamming all the Mohammed cartoons they could find, did not retweet that Hebdo cartoon portraying the Christian Trinity as “The Human Centipede”

I wonder why.

52 Dizzy  Jan 9, 2015 12:39:51pm

re: #32 Blind Frog Belly White

Agreed. They’re succeeding in polarizing almost everyone.

53 CuriousLurker  Jan 9, 2015 12:40:57pm

re: #51 The Vicious Babushka

All the #tcot wingnuts who were spamming all the Mohammed cartoons they could find, did not retweet that Hebdo cartoon portraying the Christian Trinity as “The Human Centipede”

I wonder why.

Yeah, imagine my surprise. //

54 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 9, 2015 12:41:11pm

re: #49 Charles Johnson

And that particular person is a hit-and-run troll: he ALWAYS logs in, dumps a steaming load, and immediately logs out. Comes back to respond and immediately logs out again. He doesn’t care about having a conversation, he’s just a shit-stirrer.

55 b.d.  Jan 9, 2015 12:41:20pm

re: #45 Franklin

My kids love the original Curious George book, where he is abducted from the jungle and smokes a pipe.

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The old movie based the Scope’s trial, Inherit the Wind, had a scene in it where they showed a monkey smoking a cigarette. That image has always stuck with me for a lot of years.

56 Eventual Carrion  Jan 9, 2015 12:42:12pm

re: #15 b_sharp

“useless intel is better than no intel!!”

Answers - $1.00
Correct answers - $5.00

57 CuriousLurker  Jan 9, 2015 12:43:11pm

re: #54 Backwoods_Sleuth

And that particular person is a hit-and-run troll: he ALWAYS logs in, dumps a steaming load, and immediately logs out. Comes back to respond and immediately logs out again. He doesn’t care about having a conversation, he’s just a shit-stirrer.

Was. ;)

58 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 9, 2015 12:44:30pm

re: #57 CuriousLurker

Was. ;)

Technically true. He’s still a shit-stirrer, but not at LGF anymore.
And, I for one, am happy the hammer finally got dropped on him.

:)

59 Charles Johnson  Jan 9, 2015 12:46:34pm
60 b_sharp  Jan 9, 2015 12:47:30pm

re: #58 Backwoods_Sleuth

Technically true. He’s still a shit-stirrer, but not at LGF anymore.
And, I for one, am happy the hammer finally got dropped on him.

:)

Who?

61 goddamnedfrank  Jan 9, 2015 12:48:12pm

Wait …

I missed a bacon troll?

62 TedStriker  Jan 9, 2015 12:48:50pm

re: #17 b_sharp

Looks like your luck has been Maxed out.

Nah, Kragar was too Smart.

63 De Kolta Chair  Jan 9, 2015 12:49:51pm

re: #45 Franklin

My kids love the original Curious George book, where he is abducted from the jungle and smokes a pipe.

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Unfortunately for George, the state he lives in has very draconian drug laws. ;_(

64 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 9, 2015 12:51:04pm

re: #60 b_sharp

Who?

littlegreenfootballs.com

65 klystron  Jan 9, 2015 12:51:09pm

re: #47 Backwoods_Sleuth

She can hang out with D_F!

Haha.

She was just boarding a bus to Milwaukee, and they have a rental car to go from there. And United is apparently being decent about refunding the alternate travel arrangement costs.

66 goddamnedfrank  Jan 9, 2015 12:51:13pm

The whole bacon bullet thing would just be pathetic if the idea behind it wasn’t essentially the forced spiritual contamination and desecration of a corpse, which is kind of really gross.

Also, it doesn’t work that way. Impurity is a matter of intent.

67 Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 9, 2015 12:53:42pm

re: #42 Franklin

If Curious George is a monkey (and always very curious) why doesn’t he have a tail?

Furry-Ass George.

68 Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 9, 2015 12:56:18pm

re: #66 goddamnedfrank

The whole bacon bullet thing would just be pathetic if the idea behind it wasn’t essentially the forced spiritual contamination and desecration of a corpse, which is kind of really gross.

Also, it doesn’t work that way. Impurity is a matter of intent.

And it’s a waste of good bacon grease, which could better be used making corn bread.

69 blueraven  Jan 9, 2015 12:56:18pm

Shepard Smith just reported on Fox News that AQAP said they directed the attacks in Paris.

70 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 9, 2015 12:56:35pm

Breaking and exclusive except for the fact that Anchorage Daily News (now Alaska Dispatch News) and other outlets have been reporting on this for over a week already.

idiot.

71 Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 9, 2015 12:57:44pm

re: #70 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Breaking and exclusive except for the fact that Anchorage Daily News and other outlets have been reporting on this for over a week already.

idiot.

“You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”

72 TedStriker  Jan 9, 2015 12:57:58pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

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Somehow, I doubt much of Anon’s legions of pasty-faced basement dwellers would last a New York minute against AQ, ISIS, or any other group of terrorists proficient with guns and explosives.

73 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 9, 2015 12:58:42pm

re: #68 Blind Frog Belly White

And it’s a waste of good bacon grease, which could better be used making corn bread.

I remember (and can still taste them in my memory) my mom making bacon grease sammiches when we were little kids. Just slices of bread fried in bacon grease.

74 jamjam  Jan 9, 2015 12:59:44pm

re: #32 Blind Frog Belly White

Let’s not forget that a large part of their goal is to get the non-Muslim population of Western countries to isolate and alienate their Muslim countrymen, and in that they have the eager assistance of racists and bigots in those countries.

I wonder about the role of the media in this, too. Doubtlessly, Islamic terrorists planning attacks in the West, account for maximum media impact for as little cost as possible. The more people dead, or the more shocking, the more media coverage and so the more terrified people become. The anti-Muslim backlash that inevitably follows causes, in the terrorists minds, a split between Muslims and non-Muslims, and drives Muslims to become more extreme.

It is a cononudrum. Obviously, news media have to report stuff like this, because if they don’t, their competitors will. But I wonder if it might be a good idea to follow the same rules reccomended by Dr. Park Dietz, the forensic psychiatrist who advises media outlets on their reporting of school shootings. There’s a video where he says that after every school shooting, inside of a week, there’s another - a copycat attack. He says to stop mass shootings, the media has to:
- localise the story to the affected area
- NOT publish casualty numbers
- NOT depict the assailants in that grim, overhyped, villainous/antiheroic gravitas (guys in masks with machine guns, North Hollywood shootout style)
- DO make the story as small as possible, DO provide accurate information that is needed for people affected, but other than that, try to minimise and not sensationalise the story.

By reporting in that manner, Dr. Dietz asserts, you starve terrorists of coverage of their attacks, which is a significant motivator and which they use to try to split the social fabric. It also reduces fear and anxiety in the population, it reduces the perception among Muslims that they are being persecuted with negative/stereotyped portrayals, it reduces the feeling among targeted or vulnerable members of the population that they are at risk of being attacked, etc.

It is a somewhat controversial approach, but I honestly do wish that the 24 hour news coverage of these events was toned down a bit.

And if I am being 100 percent honest, I will say that I experience a morbid fascination when watching the coverage of these events. It is like a vicarious fear. It injects a feeling of ‘important stuff happening in the world’ into my life - I can’t put it very artfully, but thats sort of the general feeling. I don’t mean I enjoy watching these in any way, but I still feel like the 24 hour coverage of these tragedies is, in some ways, presented like it is entertainment. Not ‘fun’ or enjoyable entertainment, but as I said, morbidly curious entertainment.
I think sometimes it crosses the line from being informative, to pure rubbernecking. Then again, maybe it is my choice in tuning in.

75 lawhawk  Jan 9, 2015 1:03:22pm

re: #70 Backwoods_Sleuth

Newsflash! Chuck Johnson recycles warmed over news as BREAKING/NEWSY!

76 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 9, 2015 1:04:26pm

re: #70 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Breaking and exclusive except for the fact that Anchorage Daily News and other outlets have been reporting on this for over a week already.

idiot.

Alaska Dispatch broke the story before the Ginger Furby did.

Forgot to include the link: adn.com

77 Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 9, 2015 1:05:14pm

re: #74 jamjam

Meanwhile, the RW castigates the newsmedia for being insufficiently quick to scream “Islamic terror”, and for not regaling us all with the Dangers Of Islam! so that we all view anyone not pasty white with suspicion.

Seriously, AQ gets a whole lot of free propaganda from the Right Wing in their quest to radicalize Muslims by alienating them from the rest of the societies they live in.

78 lawhawk  Jan 9, 2015 1:05:33pm

re: #69 blueraven

Shepard Smith just reported on Fox News that AQAP said they directed the attacks in Paris.

Somewhere over Yemen, there’s a UAV that is following AQAP/AQ in Yemen and preparing the next series of airstrikes against targets of opportunity.

If not tomorrow, then in the next few days I’d expect to hear that there were drone attacks hitting at key individuals in the group.

79 b.d.  Jan 9, 2015 1:05:42pm

BREAKING! EXCLUSIVE! MUST CREDIT GOAT NEWS! TITANIC SINKS WITH ALL ABOARD, NO SURVIVORS!

80 Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 9, 2015 1:06:31pm

re: #73 Backwoods_Sleuth

I remember (and can still taste them in my memory) my mom making bacon grease sammiches when we were little kids. Just slices of bread fried in bacon grease.

Corn Meal Mush fried in bacon grease, with eggs fried in bacon grease.

And bacon.

81 b_sharp  Jan 9, 2015 1:09:13pm

re: #42 Franklin

If Curious George is a monkey (and always very curious) why doesn’t he have a tail?

He’s a chimp not a monkey.

82 lostlakehiker  Jan 9, 2015 1:09:30pm

re: #72 TedStriker

Somehow, I doubt much of Anon’s legions of pasty-faced basement dwellers would last a New York minute against AQ, ISIS, or any other group of terrorists proficient with guns and explosives.

If either could find the other. Nobody seems to have much luck finding “anonymous”, and AQ and ISIS, to the extent they have assets in the West, have them equally well hidden or better. It may barely be possible for “anonymous” to carry out some sort of cyber attack on AQ or ISIS web pages.

83 unproven innocence  Jan 9, 2015 1:09:46pm

re: #69 blueraven

Shepard Smith just reported on Fox News that AQAP said they directed the attacks in Paris.

Al Qaeda Source: AQAP Directed Paris Attack
By Jeremy Scahill

UPDATED — A source within al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula has provided The Intercept with a full statement claiming responsibility for the attack against the offices of Charlie Hebdo in Paris:

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Some ask the relationship between Al-Qaeda Organization and the (brothers) who carried out the #CharlieHebdo operation. Was it direct? Was the operation supervised by the Al-Qaeda wing in the Arabian Peninsula?

The leadership of #AQAP directed the operation, and they have chosen their target carefully as a revenge for the honor of Prophet (pbuh)
[snip]

84 lawhawk  Jan 9, 2015 1:09:55pm

re: #79 b.d.

That’s not how it works. That’s not how any of this works!

That’s not how this works. That’s not how any of this works.

85 Dr Lizardo  Jan 9, 2015 1:12:09pm

re: #77 Blind Frog Belly White

Meanwhile, the RW castigates the newsmedia for being insufficiently quick to scream “Islamic terror”, and for not regaling us all with the Dangers Of Islam! so that we all view anyone not pasty white with suspicion.

Seriously, AQ gets a whole lot of free propaganda from the Right Wing in their quest to radicalize Muslims by alienating them from the rest of the societies they live in.

But what about us white Muslims that don’t even remotely look or dress like a stereotypical Muslim?

86 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 9, 2015 1:13:06pm

re: #85 Dr Lizardo

But what about us white Muslims that don’t even remotely look or dress like a stereotypical Muslim?

We’ll know you by your fez…

87 lawhawk  Jan 9, 2015 1:15:01pm

re: #86 Backwoods_Sleuth

We’ll know you by your fez…

But fezzes are cool! Bow ties are cool!

88 b_sharp  Jan 9, 2015 1:15:08pm

re: #85 Dr Lizardo

But what about us white Muslims that don’t even remotely look or dress like a stereotypical Muslim?

tattoos.

89 wrenchwench  Jan 9, 2015 1:15:14pm

[…]The store, She’s A Pistol, caters to female gun owners.

90 Dr Lizardo  Jan 9, 2015 1:19:05pm

re: #86 Backwoods_Sleuth

We’ll know you by your fez…

Actually, in my case (I don’t wear a fez, though a fez is some awesome headgear) perhaps the Versace suit and the Italian necktie? The Italian shoes? The black German wool greatcoat in the winter perhaps?

Or maybe the Brooks Brothers suit I wear as well? Seriously……typically, I look like a Wall Street type. I don’t have a full beard, either…..just a goatee and mustache.

91 Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 9, 2015 1:23:01pm

re: #85 Dr Lizardo

But what about us white Muslims that don’t even remotely look or dress like a stereotypical Muslim?

re: #85 Dr Lizardo

But what about us white Muslims that don’t even remotely look or dress like a stereotypical Muslim?

Unpossible!

92 Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 9, 2015 1:23:31pm

re: #90 Dr Lizardo

Actually, in my case (I don’t wear a fez, though a fez is some awesome headgear) perhaps the Versace suit and the Italian necktie? The Italian shoes? The black German wool greatcoat in the winter perhaps?

Or maybe the Brooks Brothers suit I wear as well? Seriously……typically, I look like a Wall Street type. I don’t have a full beard, either…..just a goatee and mustache.

I wouldn’t have a problem with profiling Wall Street Types.
//

93 Dr Lizardo  Jan 9, 2015 1:24:39pm

re: #92 Blind Frog Belly White

I wouldn’t have a problem with profiling Wall Street Types.
//

LOLOL

94 Charles Johnson  Jan 9, 2015 1:25:02pm
95 jamjam  Jan 9, 2015 1:26:48pm

re: #94 Charles Johnson

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Cool. Very cool. ;)

96 lawhawk  Jan 9, 2015 1:30:28pm

Friday night news dump:

Yeah, that *crickets* you heard was the sound of no one clamoring to jump on the Romney bandwagon.

97 b.d.  Jan 9, 2015 1:31:18pm

re: #96 lawhawk

Friday night news dump:

[Embedded content]

Yeah, that *crickets* you heard was the sound of no one clamoring to jump on the Romney bandwagon.

Run Mittens Run!!!

98 goddamnedfrank  Jan 9, 2015 1:31:27pm

re: #94 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Peltier effect. Neat but very inefficient.

99 Kragar  Jan 9, 2015 1:32:16pm
100 plansbandc  Jan 9, 2015 1:32:56pm

I want that cute little fridge.

101 klystron  Jan 9, 2015 1:33:41pm

re: #99 Kragar

That logic does suggest we had 8 years of Cheney running things.

…which sometimes doesn’t feel all that far off.

/

102 ObserverArt  Jan 9, 2015 1:33:44pm

re: #89 wrenchwench

Breaking News ✔ @BreakingNews

Police: 4 people reportedly shot during an attempted robbery of a Shawnee, Kan., gun store - @KCStar bit.ly

[…]The store, She’s A Pistol, caters to female gun owners.

Damn. Too bad no one had a gun to stop it.

/// not needed but there it is.

103 b_sharp  Jan 9, 2015 1:34:39pm

re: #101 klystron

That logic does suggest we had 8 years of Cheney running things.

…which sometimes doesn’t feel all that far off.

/

You did have 8 years of Cheney running things.

104 unproven innocence  Jan 9, 2015 1:35:05pm

re: #94 Charles Johnson

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Max current for USB 2.0 is only 100ma by default. A connected device can request more. Max is then 500ma. If an old-style PS2 connector (as for keyboard or mouse) is available, a PS2 to USB adapter can provide a little over 200ma. I use that approach for my USB-powered speakers.

105 Kragar  Jan 9, 2015 1:35:57pm

re: #96 lawhawk

Friday night news dump:

[Embedded content]

Yeah, that *crickets* you heard was the sound of no one clamoring to jump on the Romney bandwagon.

106 b_sharp  Jan 9, 2015 1:37:01pm

re: #104 unproven innocence

Max current for USB 2.0 is only 100ma by default. A connected device can request more. Max is then 500ma. If an old-style PS2 connector (as for keyboard or mouse) is available, a PS2 to USB adapter can provide a little over 200ma. I use that approach for my USB-powered speakers.

Use USB 3.0

107 TedStriker  Jan 9, 2015 1:38:16pm

re: #85 Dr Lizardo

But what about us white Muslims that don’t even remotely look or dress like a stereotypical Muslim?

re: #86 Backwoods_Sleuth

We’ll know you by your fez…

The Fez - Steely Dan

108 No Country For Old Haters  Jan 9, 2015 1:39:56pm

re: #100 plansbandc

I want that cute little fridge.

It probably doesn’t actually keep a drink cold, but it does look nice.

I had a 12V cooler, and it could just make cold beverages take a little longer to get warm. USB is only 5V.

109 unproven innocence  Jan 9, 2015 1:40:01pm

re: #106 b_sharp

Use USB 3.0

A USB 3.0 device can request up to 900ma, but default limit is lower.

110 goddamnedfrank  Jan 9, 2015 1:40:32pm

re: #98 goddamnedfrank

Peltier effect. Neat but very inefficient.

FYI Santa Barbara Imaging Group makes some really kickass astronomy cameras that incorporate Peltier elements next to the sensor to reduce the dark current in long exposures.

111 Charles Johnson  Jan 9, 2015 1:40:46pm
112 goddamnedfrank  Jan 9, 2015 1:42:34pm

re: #111 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

His evidence was a bunch of scattered pixels the terrorists left at the scene.

113 EPR-radar  Jan 9, 2015 1:43:02pm

re: #109 unproven innocence

A USB 3.0 device can request up to 900ma, but default limit is lower.

0.9 A is a pretty beefy current. I have to believe such requests often don’t succeed.

114 Shazam  Jan 9, 2015 1:43:47pm

re: #112 goddamnedfrank

His evidence was a bunch of scattered pixels the terrorists left at the scene.

But, dammit, they were different sizes! They threw him off their trail!

115 dog philosopher  Jan 9, 2015 1:43:50pm

re: #90 Dr Lizardo

goatee and mustache

terrorist!

116 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 9, 2015 1:44:37pm

re: #114 Shazam

But, dammit, they were different sizes! The threw him off their trail!

Pixel dust will do that…

117 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 9, 2015 1:45:31pm
118 Charles Johnson  Jan 9, 2015 1:46:02pm
119 jamjam  Jan 9, 2015 1:46:56pm

re: #50 jamjam

Just to embed the video in the post, so if you like you can watch it here at LGF:

Al Qaeda in Yemen | Documentaries

For some reason the other one I didn’t see embed, I think because I posted it as a link instead of just cutting and pasting the URL. Anyway, very informative stuff. Ansar al-Sharia is actually a Yemeni branch of Al Qaeda, according to the doco. Informative stuff.

120 Shazam  Jan 9, 2015 1:47:12pm

re: #118 Charles Johnson

The two most unamerican things: being educated and not being in debt.

121 unproven innocence  Jan 9, 2015 1:49:51pm

re: #118 Charles Johnson

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But there’s a sort of indentured servitude provision, iirc.

122 blueraven  Jan 9, 2015 1:51:38pm

re: #96 lawhawk

Friday night news dump:

Yeah, that *crickets* you heard was the sound of no one clamoring to jump on the Romney bandwagon.

HA…that’s what he thinks. Wait until ChuckyC hears about this. He will DESTROY Romney!!

123 Charles Johnson  Jan 9, 2015 1:52:27pm
124 Charles Johnson  Jan 9, 2015 1:52:44pm
125 darthstar  Jan 9, 2015 1:53:30pm
126 makeitstop  Jan 9, 2015 1:53:44pm

re: #124 Charles Johnson

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Humorectomy patients.

127 b.d.  Jan 9, 2015 1:55:06pm

The stock market is in its schizo phase again.

128 Charles Johnson  Jan 9, 2015 1:55:15pm
129 b.d.  Jan 9, 2015 1:55:33pm

re: #125 darthstar

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ouch

130 darthstar  Jan 9, 2015 1:55:42pm

re: #125 darthstar

[Embedded content]

#JeSuisMittRomney

131 goddamnedfrank  Jan 9, 2015 1:56:08pm

re: #113 EPR-radar

0.9 A is a pretty beefy current. I have to believe such requests often don’t succeed.

Exactly. The SBIG STX camera I worked with draws up to 6 amps at 12 Volts and most of that goes to thermoelectric cooling. Which means if you want to take it out into the field you’re lugging along an RV / Marine wet cell or a generator and a power inverter.

132 b.d.  Jan 9, 2015 1:56:36pm

BREAKING! EXCLUSIVE! MUST CREDIT GOATNEWS! ROMNEY CONSIDERING RUNNING AGAIN

133 bratwurst  Jan 9, 2015 1:58:00pm
134 Charles Johnson  Jan 9, 2015 2:00:25pm
135 b.d.  Jan 9, 2015 2:00:26pm

This Romney announcement is sure to be the thing to get that Freepathon up and running!

//

136 Charles Johnson  Jan 9, 2015 2:01:24pm

I’ve been saying he’d run again since right after the election.

137 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 9, 2015 2:02:19pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

I’ve been saying he’d run again since right after the election.

Well, Ann was still running for QoA (Queen of America) and she hasn’t stopped.

138 b.d.  Jan 9, 2015 2:02:51pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

I’ve been saying he’d run again since right after the election.

Well, he did have to stop for gas

139 thedopefishlives  Jan 9, 2015 2:03:19pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

I’ve been saying he’d run again since right after the election.

I’m sort of in two minds about this. Part of me is surprised, because after the thrashing he received, I figured the GOP establishment would blackball him. But Mitt Romney was never one to let a little thing like a major ass-whooping stand in the way of his pride.

140 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 9, 2015 2:03:24pm

re: #138 b.d.

Well, he did have to stop for gas

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Always love that photo.

141 dog philosopher  Jan 9, 2015 2:03:24pm

im getting a funny feeling from somewhere around my pancreas that scott walker will be the republic nominee

142 Charles Johnson  Jan 9, 2015 2:04:09pm

re: #37 blueraven

Well, he is very wrong then.

Yep…

143 thedopefishlives  Jan 9, 2015 2:04:47pm

re: #128 Charles Johnson

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The stupid, it burns.

144 BillinGlendaleCA  Jan 9, 2015 2:05:48pm

re: #141 dog philosopher

Might want to go to a doctor and have that checked out.

145 Charles Johnson  Jan 9, 2015 2:06:34pm
146 dog philosopher  Jan 9, 2015 2:07:09pm

re: #144 BillinGlendaleCA

Might want to go to a doctor and have that checked out.

last time i had to have a remark by rushbo extracted from my craw

147 bratwurst  Jan 9, 2015 2:07:39pm

At some point it will become easier to just name anti-Semites who Greenwald DOESN’T admire.

148 BillinGlendaleCA  Jan 9, 2015 2:07:53pm

re: #146 dog philosopher

Ouch.

149 Charles Johnson  Jan 9, 2015 2:08:10pm
150 b.d.  Jan 9, 2015 2:09:22pm

re: #149 Charles Johnson

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Except for the people who praise you and agree with you on it.

//

151 jaunte  Jan 9, 2015 2:12:14pm

re: #150 b.d.

//

Twitter should use that / sarcasm convention.

152 Jenner7  Jan 9, 2015 2:19:28pm

Hey, Kendrick, do you really think the police will stop killing black kids once black people start respecting themselves?

NO. It has nothing to do with respecting yourself. I has to do with police brutality, systemic racism, and injustice.

153 Jenner7  Jan 9, 2015 2:30:30pm

This is insanity. This man was killed in cold blood, no chance to surrender. The officer killed two unarmed people in two years and it walking free.

154 Decatur Deb  Jan 9, 2015 2:53:24pm

re: #89 wrenchwench

Police: 4 people reportedly shot during an attempted robbery of a Shawnee, Kan., gun store - @KCStar bit.ly

“Police blocked off the area after the shooting. A bullet hole could be seen in one of the store’s windows. The store sits in a strip mall, between a church and an investment company.”

Yup.

155 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 9, 2015 3:04:21pm

re: #153 Jenner7

wow.

156 A Cranky One  Jan 9, 2015 4:09:48pm

Given the turds that are “news” on Gnotnews, I think I understand why every story is “BREAKING”. It’s a reference to breaking wind prior to dropping the turd. <evil grin>

157 Dom  Jan 9, 2015 6:43:33pm

It is a common affront when one story trumps another in the quest for ratings, but of course terrorism in the US and Europe is important to US and European news media, and I have to say more relevant to me today, as it happens.

Hatred of Muslims is pathetic, but if Islamophobia means fear of Muslims, for anyone who would speak freely to Muslims about religion and politics, phobia after a week like this is not exactly illogical. It is, however, an admission of defeat. I have two links, from the Telegraph, for anyone who is interested.

Michael Deacon: Do the terrorists care what Charlie Hebdo says? telegraph.co.uk

Stephen Pollard: Between the National Front and Islamist attacks, there is not much space left for France’s Jews. telegraph.co.uk This is a pretty bland piece, basically just giving some pause for thought about any Jewish family now shopping for Shabbat or going to synagogue, or perhaps not this weekend.

And to take lawhawk’s point, I cannot bear to think how it must be for families in Nigeria or Syria or anywhere else facing eradication either. Fuck.


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