Netanyahu Goes Into Damage Control Mode

Deputy foreign minister spins a yarn
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Today on Israeli radio, a senior member of Likud began laying the groundwork for a possible cancellation of Prime Minister Netanyahu’s controversial appearance before the United States Congress:

“It appears that the speaker of Congress made a move, in which we trusted, but which it ultimately became clear was a one sided move and not a move by both sides,” Deputy Israeli Foreign Minister Tzachi Hanegbi told 102 FM Tel Aviv Radio on Friday.

The interviewer asked if that meant Netanyahu had been “misled” into believing Boehner’s invitation was bipartisan, a characterization Hanegbi did not contest.

This is, of course, immensely dishonest. The engineer of this political theater piece was quite obviously Israel’s ambassador to the US, Ron Dermer. He has a long record of deep involvement in GOP politics, going back to working alongside Frank Luntz in support of Newt Gingrich during the 90s. That is bad enough, but even worse is the fact he has more than a passing relationship with Sheldon Adelson. He is, of course, the casino billionaire who has flooded US elections with money in order to protect his interests by banning online gambling and started a free Israeli newspaper called Yisrael HaYom in order to promote his desire to drop an atomic bomb on Iran.

Allowing hyper-partisan diplomats to use the United States Congress to manipulate the political situation in two countries sets a terrible precedent. Hopefully common sense will prevail and this disaster and embarrassment for Israel can be called off.

Israeli official suggests Boehner misled Netanyahu on Congress speech - Reuters

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260 comments
1 HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2015 10:32:04am

I think Bibi knows that this backfired big time at home and it only made him look good with people who don’t vote in Israeli elections anyhow- right wing Christian fundamentalist end timers.

2 CuriousLurker  Feb 6, 2015 3:33:28pm
This is, of course, immensely dishonest.

Yes, but I have to admit I rather enjoy the idea of Boehner getting thrown under the bus. I have little sympathy for any of these assholes.

3 electrotek  Feb 6, 2015 8:18:35pm

I wish Netanyahu was removed from power, along with Avigdor Lieberman.

Speaking of Netanyahu, does anyone find it ironic that he of all people would express solidarity with France, given the chance that he himself supported the prison sentence of a Russian Jewish woman who drew Mohammed as a pig in Hebron around 1997?

4 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 7, 2015 3:46:53am

re: #3 electrotek

I wish Netanyahu was removed from power, along with Avigdor Lieberman.

Speaking of Netanyahu, does anyone find it ironic that he of all people would express solidarity with France, given the chance that he himself supported the prison sentence of a Russian Jewish woman who drew Mohammed as a pig in Hebron around 1997?

This sentence implies that she was imprisoned merely for the act of drawing. Not true.

Tatyana Soskina was stopped with some spray paint and the leaflets, which she, acc. to her own admission, planned to glue to buildings in Hebron (an Arab city). She was also wearing a t-shirt with the symbol of Kach, which is banned in Israel as a terrorist org. She was let out on bail, but arrested again the next day for throwing a rock at a Palestinian car.

So she was imprisoned for the following:
Penal code sec. 144: incitement to racism
Penal code sec. 173: injury to religious sentiment
Penal code sec. 196: defacing real estate
Penal code sec. 332: maliciously endangering people on a traffic route
Prevention of Terrorism Ordinance 1948, sec. 4: supporting a terrorist organization.

Yes, it’s bad that section 173 was used against her (although its interpretation in the verdict is pretty nuanced and contextual) and it’s shameful that Israel still has such a barbaric law on the books.

But it’s also clear that she wasn’t convicted just because she drew a cartoon. She was more akin to a provocateur yelling “Fire!” in a crowded theater, and her throwing of rocks by itself was a good enough reason to put her away. So a support for her sentencing doesn’t necessarily amount to a support for this particular penal code article.

5 b.d.  Feb 7, 2015 9:19:01am

This will be Obama’s fault somehow.

6 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 7, 2015 9:24:10am

re: #5 b.d.

This will be Obama’s fault somehow.

Isn’t it always? High gas prices were his fault, but the jobs that came with them in the Oil business were the Free Market.

Now lower gas prices are the Free Market, but the accompanying job losses in the Oil business are Obama’s fault.

7 Dr Lizardo  Feb 7, 2015 9:27:25am

re: #5 b.d.

This will be Obama’s fault somehow.

Of course! It’s always Obama’s fault.

Somewhere, when a wingnut gets a bad burrito from a street vendor and ends up with explosive diarrhea, it’s Obama’s fault!!

*headdesk*

It does sound to me that this is how Netanyahu will get out of this little pickle; he’ll cancel the Congressional address, and claim he was ‘misled’ and therefore, he has no choice to but to scrap it.

And oh yeah, Speaker Boehner? If you’re reading this, how’s the view from under that bus you’ve been thrown under?

8 FemNaziBitch  Feb 7, 2015 9:30:07am
9 ObserverArt  Feb 7, 2015 9:40:18am

I had to log back in for this one.

Has there ever been a Speaker of the House that is less politically aware of…politics…than John Boehner?

History is not going to be kind to this fool. He couldn’t negotiate himself out of a wet paper bag without bruising his orange ass.

This is the GOP leadership. Boehner and McConnell. And as reports had it last week, those two were passing the buck back and forth over the problems the GOP majority has dealing with immigration. How long before those two start blaming each other for their own lack of ability?

But it was wrong of Obama to do the Presidential Executive Orders to at least do something about anything.

Who’s the lame duck? Boehner and McConnell have been lame the entire time they’ve been in congress.

I hope GOP team players and their boosters like this crap, but I think they are all too unaware of reality of how bad these duffs are with politics. It’s all “Go Team” we got the power, we are going to kick ass and make America strong.

You have nothing. And America suffers from it. Hell, maybe they should have gone with Gohmert as Speaker. He can’t be any worse. Pffft. GOP.

10 FemNaziBitch  Feb 7, 2015 9:43:56am

Teens’ tweets on killing, bombing Jews deemed no threat

JACKSON - A State Police sergeant’s teenage daughter who dressed like Hitler and posted on social media a picture of a popular gathering spot for Orthodox Jews — with the caption “perfect bombing time” — may have behaved offensively, but not criminally, authorities said.

The Ocean County Prosecutor’s Office examined the Twitter post and a cache of other pro-Hitler images by the Jackson teen and her associates and concluded that they did not amount to any credible threat.

11 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 7, 2015 9:45:20am

re: #10 FemNaziBitch

I see it as incitement.

12 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 7, 2015 9:47:04am

So…this is happening on twitter today:

13 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 7, 2015 9:48:15am

re: #10 FemNaziBitch

14 ObserverArt  Feb 7, 2015 9:48:35am

re: #7 Dr Lizardo

Of course! It’s always Obama’s fault.

Somewhere, when a wingnut gets a bad burrito from a street vendor and ends up with explosive diarrhea, it’s Obama’s fault!!

*headdesk*

It does sound to me that this is how Netanyahu will get out of this little pickle; he’ll cancel the Congressional address, and claim he was ‘misled’ and therefore, he has no choice to but to scrap it.

And oh yeah, Speaker Boehner? If you’re reading this, how’s the view from under that bus you’ve been thrown under?

The only reason he is run over by the bus is he can’t drive the damn thing.

15 jaunte  Feb 7, 2015 9:48:59am

re: #12 Backwoods_Sleuth

16 BadExampleMan  Feb 7, 2015 9:49:07am

Bibi Hayom is hilarious in the same way you can find humor in FOX News if you can forget that those are real people who are whoring themselves to make the world a worse place. OK, it’s actually not very funny at all.

But it makes good packing material.

…It had its Full Yellocake moment last week, btw. Last Friday’s paper, the front page was screaming yellow letters on a red background, THE IRANIAN CONNECTION over pictures of missles launching and a subhead about nukes in Syria.

And it’s free, and people read it, and think they’re consuming information.

17 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 7, 2015 9:50:43am

re: #15 jaunte

Too bad his fans can’t spell.
:D

18 jaunte  Feb 7, 2015 9:52:13am

re: #17 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Reports say radical Muslim jihadists killed thousands of people in the past few months alone. And yet when you take Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, whatever, their combined killings in the name of religion—well, that would be zero.”

Looks like you can fail history all through your education and still get a good job reading material for broadcast.

19 FemNaziBitch  Feb 7, 2015 9:52:43am

re: #16 BadExampleMan

Bibi Hayom is hilarious in the same way you can find humor in FOX News if you can forget that those are real people who are whoring themselves to make the world a worse place. OK, it’s actually not very funny at all.

But it makes good packing material.

…It had its Full Yellocake moment last week, btw. Last Friday’s paper, the front page was screaming yellow letters on a red background, THE IRANIAN CONNECTION over pictures of missles launching and a subhead about nukes in Syria.

And it’s free, and people read it, and think they’re consuming information.

QFT

20 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 7, 2015 9:54:01am

re: #15 jaunte

Disgusting pig.

21 jaunte  Feb 7, 2015 9:56:11am

Yes, “suddenly” during the Obama presidency, people came to the US illegally to get jobs, and suddenly had school-aged children.

22 Shiplord Kirel  Feb 7, 2015 9:58:10am

I am as dedicated a supporter of Israel as you will find anywhere, but support and approval stop with foreign intervention in our domestic politics. It is horrifying (though not a surprise) that the uber-patriotic Republicans would not only tolerate this interference but enthusiastically embrace it. It is another indication of their ignorance of genuine American principles, as well as their essential disloyalty. The GOP bastards are in it for the money and this country has no other use to them. Shame, shame, shame!

23 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 7, 2015 9:58:34am

re: #4 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Speaking of “counter-Jihadis” (Breivik’s mentors): Gates of Vienna tried to exploit the Soskina story, while omitting the stone throwing altogether. The first comment under the article:

Godffrey said… 1
A girl insults the enemies of the Jews and the Jewish state puts her in prison. It’s almost as if the Jews want to be killed, which would ok with me if they weren’t so eager to assist the white race in commiting suicide.
2/11/2010 10:03 PM

24 jaunte  Feb 7, 2015 9:58:44am
“And yet when you take Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, whatever, their combined killings in the name of religion—well, that would be zero.”

It’s true because a man in a suit on TV tol’ me.

25 FemNaziBitch  Feb 7, 2015 9:59:01am

re: #21 jaunte

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Yes, “suddenly” during the Obama presidency, people came to the US illegally to get jobs, and suddenly had school-aged children.

1- because the lands South of our border have a better vaccination rate than we do.

2- because if we were uniformly vaccinated, anyone bringing a contagion into the country wouldn’t spread it.

* #2 is the WHOLE POINT OF VACCINATIONS!!!!

*SPIT*

26 FemNaziBitch  Feb 7, 2015 9:59:40am

re: #22 Shiplord Kirel

I am as dedicated a supporter of Israel as you will find anywhere, but support and approval stop with foreign intervention in our domestic politics. It is horrifying (though not a surprise) that the uber-patriotic Republicans would not only tolerate this interference but enthusiastically embrace it. It is another indication of their ignorance of genuine American principles, as well as their essential disloyalty. The GOP bastards are in it for the money and this country has no other use to them. Shame, shame, shame!

It’s an attempt to ostracize and isolate American Muslims & Arabs.

Nothing more.

27 Dr Lizardo  Feb 7, 2015 10:00:22am

I keep my cool by watching woo.

Here’s some more woo from Dr. Lizardo’s Great Weekend of Woo! This one featuring Rod Serling.

Rod Serling saying ‘Lake Titicaca’!!

…

ROD SERLING!!!!!

28 Shiplord Kirel  Feb 7, 2015 10:00:50am

I will not ask if we can question the Repubs’ patriotism now. They obviously have none and really don’t understand the meaning of the word.

29 FemNaziBitch  Feb 7, 2015 10:01:20am

re: #27 Dr Lizardo

I keep my cool by watching woo.

Here’s some more woo from Dr. Lizardo’s Great Weekend of Woo! This one featuring Rod Serling.

Rod Serling saying ‘Lake Titicaca’!!

[Embedded content]

ROD SERLING!!!!!

Have you read the Wool Series by Hugh Howey?

30 FemNaziBitch  Feb 7, 2015 10:01:41am

re: #28 Shiplord Kirel

I will not ask if we can question the Repubs’ patriotism now. They obviously have none and really don’t understand the meaning of the word.

I’ve come to disdain the word “Patriot” in all it’s forms.

31 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 7, 2015 10:01:41am

re: #23 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

And the counter-Jihadi “Baron Bodissey” didn’t object to that comment or react to it in any way. Instead he proposed genocide as a solution:

Baron Bodissey said… 18
Sean —

I think the Israeli aversion to recognizing the true nature of the jihad against them is completely understandable.

If they were to fully and consciously recognize that they face an enemy with a sacred duty to kill them, it would tend to induce a kind of existential despair — they would realize that they must either accept their own destruction, or kill millions of Arabs in neighboring countries to preserve their security.

This must be difficult to come to grips with.
2/12/2010 10:16 PM

32 jaunte  Feb 7, 2015 10:02:12am

Sport Are Constution!

33 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss  Feb 7, 2015 10:02:23am

re: #18 jaunte

Looks like you can fail history all through your education and still get a good job reading material for broadcast.

This is not a failure to do book learnin’, it’s a purposeful attempted to revise the past.

And it’s not funny when you think on how much of Congress either thinks this way, or is willing to ape this position.

34 Dr Lizardo  Feb 7, 2015 10:02:34am

re: #29 FemNaziBitch

Have you read the Wool Series by Hugh Howey?

Sounds interesting! I’ll have to check it out.

35 FemNaziBitch  Feb 7, 2015 10:02:41am
patriot (n.)
1590s, “compatriot,” from Middle French patriote (15c.) and directly from Late Latin patriota “fellow-countryman” (6c.), from Greek patriotes “fellow countryman,” from patrios “of one’s fathers,” patris “fatherland,” from pater (genitive patros) “father” (see father (n.)); with -otes, suffix expressing state or condition. Liddell & Scott write that patriotes was “applied to barbarians who had only a common [patris], [politai] being used of Greeks who had a common [polis] (or free-state).”
36 bratwurst  Feb 7, 2015 10:03:15am

re: #22 Shiplord Kirel

I am as dedicated a supporter of Israel as you will find anywhere, but support and approval stop with foreign intervention in our domestic politics. It is horrifying (though not a surprise) that the uber-patriotic Republicans would not only tolerate this interference but enthusiastically embrace it. It is another indication of their ignorance of genuine American principles, as well as their essential disloyalty. The GOP bastards are in it for the money and this country has no other use to them. Shame, shame, shame!

This is pretty much how I feel. I love Israel and I visit Israel, and without an organized hate group paying my way there. Even so, I am sick over this whole affair and becoming very depressed about the upcoming Israeli election.

And thanks for the page promotion! I think more people need to understand what makes Ambassador Dermer such a pernicious actor in this unfolding disaster.

37 FemNaziBitch  Feb 7, 2015 10:03:26am

re: #34 Dr Lizardo

Sounds interesting! I’ll have to check it out.

He is a good writer. Easy to read, yet thought provoking.

38 jaunte  Feb 7, 2015 10:04:40am

re: #33 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss

This is not a failure to do book learnin’, it’s a purposeful attempted to revise the past.

True, it’s just still amazing there is a huge audience willing to thoughtlessly accept what Bolling says, despite easy access to reams of evidence to the contrary.

39 FemNaziBitch  Feb 7, 2015 10:04:44am

re: #36 bratwurst

This is pretty much how I feel. I love Israel and I visit Israel, and without an organized hate group paying my way there. Even so, I am sick over this whole affair and becoming very depressed about the upcoming Israeli election.

And thanks for the page promotion! I think more people need to understand what makes Ambassador Dermer such a pernicious actor in this unfolding disaster.

I asked my husband why we should support Jordan. Why can’t they get $$$ from the Saudi’s or other’s in the region. “If they really want to defeat ISIS, they could ask Israel for help.”

40 FemNaziBitch  Feb 7, 2015 10:05:42am

re: #38 jaunte

True, it’s just still amazing there is a huge audience willing to thoughtlessly accept what Bolling says, despite easy access to reams of evidence to the contrary.

I think it’s a addiction to arguing and drama.

I was inundated with Fox last week. It was hour after hour of the same arguments voiced by different drones.

Blame Obama, THE MUSLIMS ARE GOING TO KILL US!!!!, Blame Obama …

41 FemNaziBitch  Feb 7, 2015 10:08:23am

beebee Hedgehogs!

42 Amory Blaine  Feb 7, 2015 10:08:29am

re: #15 jaunte

Yet, Williams outrage!!!

43 jaunte  Feb 7, 2015 10:10:04am

re: #42 Amory Blaine

Well, we can’t put up with exaggerations!

44 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Feb 7, 2015 10:12:16am
Allowing hyper-partisan diplomats other countries to use the United States Congress to manipulate the political situation in two countries sets a terrible precedent is the same shit, different day.

Fixed.

45 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 7, 2015 10:14:25am

re: #15 jaunte

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My West Virginia cousin just liked that on FB. So I hit him with this:

Tens of thousands of Muslims flee Christian militias in Central African Republic

46 jaunte  Feb 7, 2015 10:14:32am
It’s like a custom van rally

The art on that wakeupamerica hashtag is getting intense.

Though maybe this one could use more flaming explosions and helicopters.

47 Dark_Falcon  Feb 7, 2015 10:14:47am

re: #41 FemNaziBitch

beebee Hedgehogs!

Cute little spikeballs.

48 FemNaziBitch  Feb 7, 2015 10:15:06am

We Each have Three Brains.

Survival
Emotional
Thinking.

49 ObserverArt  Feb 7, 2015 10:16:46am

re: #22 Shiplord Kirel

I am as dedicated a supporter of Israel as you will find anywhere, but support and approval stop with foreign intervention in our domestic politics. It is horrifying (though not a surprise) that the uber-patriotic Republicans would not only tolerate this interference but enthusiastically embrace it. It is another indication of their ignorance of genuine American principles, as well as their essential disloyalty. The GOP bastards are in it for the money and this country has no other use to them. Shame, shame, shame!

The only reason they embrace it is their desire to show up Obama.

That seems to be the only political policy they have. Make the black guy look bad, even if it makes the GOP look worse. They must not have any mirrors around.

Maybe Aaron Schock can get his office decorator/designer to install some for them.

William Buckley was mentioned in the last thread. Okay GOP supporters, can you tell me that Buckley wouldn’t totally trash Boehner and McConnell if he were around today?

I’m pretty sure he would say something like “unsophisticated boobs” for the both of them. I doubt Reince Priebus would be the party chairman if Buckley was about. He’d chop and dice that tool into nothingness.

50 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Feb 7, 2015 10:17:58am

re: #45 Blind Frog Belly White

My West Virginia cousin just liked that on FB. So I hit him with this:

Tens of thousands of Muslims flee Christian militias in Central African Republic

Interesting. I just had a “friend” (the husband of a former student) post a Dinesh D’Souza graphic about Islam/Christian campaigns and went on a long spiel about how much worse Islam is than Christianity in terms of condemning “fringe” violent fanatics.

I just posted that WaPo link as a comment. :)

51 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Feb 7, 2015 10:18:47am

re: #46 jaunte

[Embedded content]

The art on that wakeupamerica hashtag is getting intense.

Though maybe this one could use more flaming explosions and helicopters.

IDK, looks more like a black velvet painting to me.

52 jaunte  Feb 7, 2015 10:19:36am
53 jaunte  Feb 7, 2015 10:20:09am

WW1 propaganda poster recycled.

54 ObserverArt  Feb 7, 2015 10:21:02am

re: #30 FemNaziBitch

I’ve come to disdain the word “Patriot” in all it’s forms.

Right there with you…and add the word “hero” too. They have been bastardized to the nth degree.

55 Dark_Falcon  Feb 7, 2015 10:21:14am

re: #45 Blind Frog Belly White

My West Virginia cousin just liked that on FB. So I hit him with this:

Tens of thousands of Muslims flee Christian militias in Central African Republic

Your point is well made and you did well to send that, but it must be noted that there have also been many Christians fleeing Muslims in the CAR.

I’m sure you already do keep it in mind GJ, I just felt it prudent to say. The situation in the CAR is much more about factional fighting than religious differences.

In fact, you could send this to your cousin as a follow up: The violence in the Central African Republic is not due to either Christianity or Islam, but instead due to the sins of the adherents of those religions. God loves those who help their neighbors, not those who kill them.

57 b_sharp  Feb 7, 2015 10:22:55am

re: #48 FemNaziBitch

We Each have Three Brains.

Survival
Emotional
Thinking.

Recent studies have shown the limbic is the first to react with the cortex following. This means we all respond initially emotionally.

Other studies show our consciousness reflects the subconscious a split second later. This means the initial emotional response will be the first conscious reaction.

Using the neo-cortex requires a brief time to allow the emotional response to subside. This is why common-sense, which is an intuitive process, is so frequently wrong when confronted by non-intuitive information like much of modern science and the non-existence of an all powerful god.

59 FemNaziBitch  Feb 7, 2015 10:23:55am

re: #57 b_sharp

Recent studies have shown the limbic is the first to react with the cortex following. This means we all respond initially emotionally.

Other studies show our consciousness reflects the subconscious a split second later. This means the initial emotional response will be the first conscious reaction.

Using the neo-cortex requires a brief time to allow the emotional response to subside. This is why common-sense, which is an intuitive process, is so frequently wrong when confronted by non-intuitive information like much of modern science and the non-existence of an all powerful god.

We are feeling creatures that think.

Not the other way around. Thus is the challenge of Free Will.

60 Dark_Falcon  Feb 7, 2015 10:24:08am

re: #53 jaunte

WW1 propaganda poster recycled.

If you want to have some fun, just point out that wingnuts who use that poster are implicitly praising a poster commission by the administration of Woodrow Wilson. Then say that makes said wingnuts “Objectively Progressive” and wait for the head explosions.

61 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss  Feb 7, 2015 10:24:27am

re: #38 jaunte

True, it’s just still amazing there is a huge audience willing to thoughtlessly accept what Bolling says, despite easy access to reams of evidence to the contrary.

Having just come off of last thread’s tail end discussion of supporting dictator’s to “fight Communism,”* it really needs to be stressed that what Americans thoughtlessly accept can mean tremendous ugliness for other parts of the world.

And yes, I’m resentful as fuck, because it’s people I love who got messed up in Pakistan because the US loved conservative military dictators over any kind of leftist…and in Pakistan, that meant propping up the Deobandi and the Islamists in the ISI. It’s rather…vexing…that post-9/11 people have started getting all “screw those shifty Pakistanis, they’re not our friends!”

It’s like the parable about the man carrying the snake across the river. Except the many selects a pit viper to graduate school to get a dual MS in being poison and fucking unreliable, collaborates with it on kicking the shit out of a bunch of garter snakes, and then carries it across a river.

*Contain anti-union violence, theocracy, oligarchy, cronyism, the investment portfolios of the Dulles brothers, diet colonialism, and 17 times the RDA for venality and cynicism.

Side effects include nun rapes, helicopter dropsy, galvanized genitals, Intermittent Stuffed in Trunk of a Ford Falcon Disorder (ISTFFD), coincidental racism, delusions of utilitarianism, and Sudden Bullet Symdrome.

62 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Feb 7, 2015 10:24:42am

re: #58 Charles Johnson

Spell check is your friend.

63 b_sharp  Feb 7, 2015 10:25:38am

re: #62 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Spell check is your friend.

Auto compete isn’t.

64 Lidane  Feb 7, 2015 10:26:14am

re: #56 FemNaziBitch

Despite Wingnut Freakout, Obama Is Right: Christian Violence Is Just as Bad as Muslim Violence

65 jaunte  Feb 7, 2015 10:26:19am

Political excitement leads to manual auto-complete.

66 FemNaziBitch  Feb 7, 2015 10:27:20am

Misspelling words on signs is one thing both sides have in common.

I remember similar posts back when this blog was a so-called Conservative blog.

BAD SPELLERS UNITE!!!

67 Dark_Falcon  Feb 7, 2015 10:27:41am

re: #61 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss

It should be noted that Communism has all those side effects and then some, the leading additional effect being “Terminal Weight Loss Due To Terror Famine or Great Leap Forward”.

68 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Feb 7, 2015 10:27:46am

re: #61 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss

It’s like the parable about the man carrying the snake across the river. Except the many selects a pit viper to graduate school to get a dual MS in being poison and fucking unreliable, collaborates with it on kicking the shit out of a bunch of garter snakes, and then carries it across a river.

Is that anything like the parable of the scorpion and the frog?
en.wikipedia.org

I’ve never heard the man and the snake.

69 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Feb 7, 2015 10:28:21am

re: #66 FemNaziBitch

Misspelling words on signs is one thing both sides have in common.

I remember similar posts back when this blog was a so-called Conservative blog.

BAD SPELLERS UNITE!!!

BAD SPELLERS UNTIE!

70 Charles Johnson  Feb 7, 2015 10:28:45am

And then…

What do LGFers think? Should I stop using this word? Seems to me it’s an effective way to make fun of bigoted ignorant Tea Partiers.

71 Dr Lizardo  Feb 7, 2015 10:28:46am

re: #58 Charles Johnson

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I’ve always wondered what happened to all the people I knew in my childhood who were horrible at spelling.

Now I know. And I wish I didn’t. Apparently, an inability to spell correctly is some point of pride among the wingnuts.

*sigh*

72 FemNaziBitch  Feb 7, 2015 10:28:50am

re: #69 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

BAD SPELLERS UNTIE!

WE ARE ALL ONE PEPLES!

73 #FergusonFireside  Feb 7, 2015 10:29:03am

Had a little earthquake this morning. I was sleeping & thought people were upstairs in the empty apt.

Nope.

earthquake.usgs.gov

74 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Feb 7, 2015 10:32:23am

re: #72 FemNaziBitch

WE ARE ALL ONE PEPLES!

My favorite expression: There are 10 kinds of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don’t.

75 Charles Johnson  Feb 7, 2015 10:33:19am

In any case, I was going to post some more of these signs, but all the fun seems to have gone out of it now.

76 b_sharp  Feb 7, 2015 10:33:30am

re: #70 Charles Johnson

And then…

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What do LGFers think? Should I stop using this word? Seems to me it’s an effective way to make fun of bigoted ignorant Tea Partiers.

It is subtly racist. I would stop using it.

77 OhNoZombies!  Feb 7, 2015 10:33:31am

re: #70 Charles Johnson

And then…

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What do LGFers think? Should I stop using this word? Seems to me it’s an effective way to make fun of their bigotry.

It has nothing to do with Ebonics, and everything to do with phonics.
She’s overthinking it.

78 b.d.  Feb 7, 2015 10:33:37am

re: #70 Charles Johnson

And then…

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What do LGFers think? Should I stop using this word? Seems to me it’s an effective way to make fun of their bigotry.

If Ebonics is real then being able to use it as a comparison is valid.

79 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss  Feb 7, 2015 10:33:40am

re: #67 Dark_Falcon

It should be noted that Communism has all those side effects and then some, the leading additional effect being “Terminal Weight Loss Due To Terror Famine or Great Leap Forward”.

I am honestly so flabbergasted by your degree of missing the point that I can’t even snark properly.

We…didn’t…fight…Communism.

We fought any brown person complaining that their government was a tyrannical kleptocracy that *coincidentally* did business with US interests.

80 b_sharp  Feb 7, 2015 10:33:55am

re: #73 #FergusonFireside

Had a little earthquake this morning. I was sleeping & thought people were upstairs in the empty apt.

Nope.

earthquake.usgs.gov

That was just me killing spiders.

81 Amory Blaine  Feb 7, 2015 10:34:18am

re: #70 Charles Johnson

As a tool of ridicule I like it. Bigots frequently use the term “ebonics” to disparage black people so to take the term and spin it to use on a hate group like the tea baggers is delicious. On the other hand I can see how someone (sensitive type, not used to RWNJ nastiness) could be turned off by the language.

82 b.d.  Feb 7, 2015 10:34:30am

Calling them Teabaggers is not insulting gay men either.

83 jaunte  Feb 7, 2015 10:34:36am

re: #70 Charles Johnson

calling bad spelling Tea-ebonics is saying ebonics is bad English and that is racist

More bad history. Ebonics started as a neutral academic term.

84 Dark_Falcon  Feb 7, 2015 10:35:23am

re: #70 Charles Johnson

And then…

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What do LGFers think? Should I stop using this word? Seems to me it’s an effective way to make fun of bigoted ignorant Tea Partiers.

I’d say you shouldn’t use than word, but not because saying it is wrong. Using it gives people who don’t want to hear what you’re saying an easy way to ignore you by saying “Libtard Charles Johnson is the Real Racist, not Our Charles Johnson!!1”. Their ‘Charles Johnson’ is UpChuck, to be clear.

85 OhNoZombies!  Feb 7, 2015 10:37:22am

Of course the first thing I think of when someone says the Tea Party is Black people.
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Call it Teaphonics then.

86 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Feb 7, 2015 10:38:20am

re: #79 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss

I am honestly so flabbergasted by your degree of missing the point that I can’t even snark properly.

We…didn’t…fight…Communism.

We fought any brown person complaining that their government was a tyrannical kleptocracy that *coincidentally* did business with US interests.

The point!

Feel free to use this at your leisure.
87 jaunte  Feb 7, 2015 10:38:27am

re: #85 OhNoZombies!

Freedom Speling.

88 Charles Johnson  Feb 7, 2015 10:39:43am

This is honestly the first time I’ve ever heard someone say “Teabonics” is a racist term.

89 b.d.  Feb 7, 2015 10:41:28am

Calling it Teaetnamese would not be an insult to the Vietnamese

90 stpaulbear  Feb 7, 2015 10:41:49am

re: #88 Charles Johnson

This is honestly the first time I’ve ever heard someone say “Teabonics” is a racist term.

Teabaggers will latch onto any straw within reach to make an argument.

My own vote is that I think Teabonics is a great discriptive word for the ‘bagger’s goofy sloaganeering.

91 Dark_Falcon  Feb 7, 2015 10:42:31am

re: #79 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss

I am honestly so flabbergasted by your degree of missing the point that I can’t even snark properly.

We…didn’t…fight…Communism.

We fought any brown person complaining that their government was a tyrannical kleptocracy that *coincidentally* did business with US interests.

That is your opinion, and I do not agree with it.

92 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Feb 7, 2015 10:43:08am

re: #88 Charles Johnson

This is honestly the first time I’ve ever heard someone say “Teabonics” is a racist term.

If I squint real hard, I could see the argument. But does anyone still believe Ebonics is a thing? IDK.

Teadiots shouldn’t offend anyone.

93 Charles Johnson  Feb 7, 2015 10:43:21am

re: #90 stpaulbear

This wasn’t a bagger - it was an African American woman offended by the term. If it came from a right winger I would have just dismissed it.

94 Dark_Falcon  Feb 7, 2015 10:46:30am

But now to defuse any hostility that may be in the air, here’s another Shedd Aquarium video of Luna the Sea Otter pup:

…

95 gwangung  Feb 7, 2015 10:47:30am

re: #91 Dark_Falcon

That is your opinion, and I do not agree with it.

He is, however, correct.

96 Charles Johnson  Feb 7, 2015 10:48:17am

Much as I hate to defend Eric Bolling, he wasn’t saying “zero people have been killed in the name of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, etc.” ever - he said “in the past few months.”

I’ll bet that isn’t true, either, but the statement isn’t quite as bad as it’s being pictured.

97 jaunte  Feb 7, 2015 10:50:17am

re: #96 Charles Johnson

“in the past few months.”

This is the technique my 401k manager has used to tell me it’s always good news.

98 Charles Johnson  Feb 7, 2015 10:50:36am
99 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Feb 7, 2015 10:51:03am

re: #97 jaunte

This is the technique my 401k manager has used to tell me it’s always good news.

Over the long term, stocks have outperformed …. blah de blah de blah.

100 stpaulbear  Feb 7, 2015 10:52:35am

re: #93 Charles Johnson

This wasn’t a bagger - it was an African American woman offended by the term. If it came from a right winger I would have just dismissed it.

Well it is a play on the word ebonics. I guess I don’t see it as racist but I agree with you that it takes the fun out of it. It is/was a perfect descriptive term for those signs. Bummer.

101 FemNaziBitch  Feb 7, 2015 10:52:37am

re: #88 Charles Johnson

This is honestly the first time I’ve ever heard someone say “Teabonics” is a racist term.

Well, yeah, it is.

the generic WHACKO is the safest way to go.

102 b_sharp  Feb 7, 2015 10:52:45am

re: #96 Charles Johnson

Much as I hate to defend Eric Bolling, he wasn’t saying “zero people have been killed in the name of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, etc.” ever - he said “in the past few months.”

I’ll bet that isn’t true, either, but the statement isn’t quite as bad as it’s being pictured.

He set a short time limit in order to skew the numbers. These are the same people who claim the Dems are racist because of actions 70yrs ago.

103 FemNaziBitch  Feb 7, 2015 10:54:44am

re: #94 Dark_Falcon

But now to defuse any hostility that may be in the air, here’s another Shedd Aquarium video of Luna the Sea Otter pup:

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Video

Is she/he on exhibition yet?

104 Dark_Falcon  Feb 7, 2015 10:55:40am

re: #98 Charles Johnson

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For being so thick-headed, the Pauls can be surprisingly thin-skinned.

105 Dark_Falcon  Feb 7, 2015 10:56:46am

re: #103 FemNaziBitch

Is she/he on exhibition yet?

Another two months or so till she’ll be a regular in the Sea Otter habitat, GGT. I do plan on going to see her then.

106 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 7, 2015 10:58:04am

re: #55 Dark_Falcon

Your point is well made and you did well to send that, but it must be noted that there have also been many Christians fleeing Muslims in the CAR.

I’m sure you already do keep it in mind GJ, I just felt it prudent to say. The situation in the CAR is much more about factional fighting than religious differences.

In fact, you could send this to your cousin as a follow up: The violence in the Central African Republic is not due to either Christianity or Islam, but instead due to the sins of the adherents of those religions. God loves those who help their neighbors, not those who kill them.

That’s the thing, though, Dark - it always is. It’s always about power and tribalism, which incidentally is what is so sad about your candid response on the previous thread, about teams.

107 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 7, 2015 10:58:38am

re: #96 Charles Johnson

Much as I hate to defend Eric Bolling, he wasn’t saying “zero people have been killed in the name of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, etc.” ever - he said “in the past few months.”

I’ll bet that isn’t true, either, but the statement isn’t quite as bad as it’s being pictured.

That’s what I assumed. I still stand by my statement that he is a disgusting pig ;)

As for teabonics… I avoid the term. It is supposed to mean that those rednecks can’t spell because they’re ignorant. But it does so by comparing their signs to ebonics, which is basically a black dialect. If the analogy is to hold… you see where it leads. I understand that people don’t use it to offend blacks, but I can see how this can offend.

108 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 7, 2015 10:58:57am

re: #104 Dark_Falcon

For being so thick-headed, the Pauls can be surprisingly thin-skinned.

The two seem to go together. Thickness in one area leads to thinness elsewhere.
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109 FemNaziBitch  Feb 7, 2015 11:00:34am

re: #107 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

That’s what I assumed. I still stand by my statement that he is a disgusting pig ;)

As for teabonics… I avoid the term. It is supposed to mean that those rednecks can’t spell because they’re ignorant. But it does so by comparing their signs to ebonics, which is basically a black dialect. If the analogy is to hold… you see where it leads. I understand that people don’t use it to offend blacks, but I can see how this can offend.

It isn’t how it is meant, but how it is received that matters.

this is the responsibility of the speaker, not the listener.

110 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 7, 2015 11:01:18am

re: #66 FemNaziBitch

Misspelling words on signs is one thing both sides have in common.

I remember similar posts back when this blog was a so-called Conservative blog.

BAD SPELLERS UNITE UNTIE!!!

re: #69 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

BAD SPELLERS UNTIE!

edit: My own fault for responding before I read all the other posts….

111 OhNoZombies!  Feb 7, 2015 11:02:23am

re: #101 FemNaziBitch

Well, yeah, it is.

I don’t find it racist.
It’s an insulting play on Tea Bagger Phonics.

112 FemNaziBitch  Feb 7, 2015 11:04:40am

re: #111 OhNoZombies!

I don’t find it racist.
It’s an insulting play on Tea Bagger Phonics.

If you are black, your opinion is valid.

It’s equating the teabaggers with the ghetto stereo-type of Afrikan-Americans.

It’s best to steer clear of stereo-types.

113 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 7, 2015 11:05:13am

re: #111 OhNoZombies!

I don’t find it racist.
It’s an insulting play on Tea Bagger Phonics.

I must admit this is there first time I see this explanation. It’s not the most intuitive one in this case.

114 OhNoZombies!  Feb 7, 2015 11:05:19am

re: #112 FemNaziBitch

If you are black, your opinion is valid.

It’s equating the teabaggers with the ghetto stereo-type of Afrikan-Americans.

It’s best to steer clear of stereo-types.

Well, in fact, i am Black.

115 FemNaziBitch  Feb 7, 2015 11:06:44am

re: #114 OhNoZombies!

Well, in fact, i am Black.

Then your opinion is valid.

I didn’t say anything in the past because I didin’t think anyone remembered the ebonics kerfluffle. It’s kind of archaic.

I figured if I remembered it, I shouldn’t use it.

116 FemNaziBitch  Feb 7, 2015 11:09:49am

bbl

nap time.

117 OhNoZombies!  Feb 7, 2015 11:11:02am

re: #113 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Tjat

I must admit this is there first time I see this explanation. It’s not the most intuitive one in this case.

It’s the same principal as Ebonics, which, if I recall correctly, didn’t start out as an insult.
It is now though.

118 Charles Johnson  Feb 7, 2015 11:14:41am
119 BeachDem  Feb 7, 2015 11:15:14am

re: #75 Charles Johnson

In any case, I was going to post some more of these signs, but all the fun seems to have gone out of it now.

I’d suggest “tearony” but it might be a bit too subtle.

120 Charles Johnson  Feb 7, 2015 11:16:34am
121 ObserverArt  Feb 7, 2015 11:17:38am

re: #75 Charles Johnson

In any case, I was going to post some more of these signs, but all the fun seems to have gone out of it now.

Fairies wear boots*…and they stomped all over that term!

*Hat tip to Black Sabbath.

122 Amory Blaine  Feb 7, 2015 11:18:09am

“Stupid T-bagger” is descriptive and inflammatory. It is my preferred nomenclature.

123 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 7, 2015 11:18:26am

re: #117 OhNoZombies!

After some contemplation I think this is an ad hoc explanation. Phonics is a method. Ebonics is a dialect. Teabonics is explained as a dialect. Both T and E have “bonics” i.e. are phonetically more similar. I think the guy who coined the word must have meant it as a riff on Ebonics.

124 Charles Johnson  Feb 7, 2015 11:18:40am
125 Dr Lizardo  Feb 7, 2015 11:18:57am

So, one of my colleagues was all breathless yesterday that 50 Shades of Grey is being released next week, to which I responded, “Pfft. Watch Salo, or the 120 Days of Sodom if you wanna see something scandalous that’s BDSM related.”

She just Skyped me. She was pretty much speechless. She did at least get the idea of the film as an allegory for Fascism. I did warn her that it was, shall we say, explicit.

I read 50 Shades, and to be honest, I wasn’t impressed.

126 Dark_Falcon  Feb 7, 2015 11:19:43am

BBL

127 ObserverArt  Feb 7, 2015 11:20:09am

re: #76 b_sharp

It is subtly racist. I would stop using it.

Did a Google search. Seems to be used a lot. Not saying it is right.

Even Urban Dictionary:

teabonics
The creative spelling or grammar featured on the various signs used by protesters in the Tea Party movement.

“What does that sign say?”
“Say no to socilism.”
“That protester is well-versed in teabonics.”

by thisischris March 30, 2010

128 Amory Blaine  Feb 7, 2015 11:20:48am

re: #125 Dr Lizardo

This guy.

*shudder

129 OhNoZombies!  Feb 7, 2015 11:24:57am

re: #123 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

After some contemplation I think this is an ad hoc explanation. Phonics is a method. Ebonics is a dialect. Teabonics is explained as a dialect. Both T and E have “bonics” i.e. are phonetically more similar. I think the guy who coined the word must have meant it as a riff on Ebonics.

I think that’s too complicated and would only work if the Tea Party was associated with Black people.

130 Dr Lizardo  Feb 7, 2015 11:25:27am

re: #128 Amory Blaine

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This guy.

*shudder

Yep. Aldo Valetti.

131 ObserverArt  Feb 7, 2015 11:26:41am

re: #95 gwangung

He is, however, correct.

Heh. That no longer matters, does it?

132 Mentis Fugit  Feb 7, 2015 11:27:11am

It’s my understanding that Ebonics was originally an academic coinage applied to actual Black English dialect, but in fairly short order was adopted and debased by the Teanderthals of the day into an offensive caricature.

I personally see the term “teabonics” as turning that corruption back on the same sort of people who brought it about, but that’s clearly not the only interpretation.

tl;dr - I dunno.

133 ObserverArt  Feb 7, 2015 11:31:25am

re: #117 OhNoZombies!

It’s the same principal as Ebonics, which, if I recall correctly, didn’t start out as an insult.
It is now though.

Thank you. History.

134 Charles Johnson  Feb 7, 2015 11:31:48am

re: #109 FemNaziBitch

It isn’t how it is meant, but how it is received that matters.

this is the responsibility of the speaker, not the listener.

Really? You’re saying the intention of the speaker doesn’t matter?

I can’t agree with this. Intention always matters.

135 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 7, 2015 11:32:01am

Ire: #129 OhNoZombies!

I think that’s too complicated and would only work if the Tea Party was associated with Black people.

I must disagree here. It’s not complicated because it stands for “illiterate” and “bad English”. Anyway, I only explain why I avoid the term. Peace :)

136 Charles Johnson  Feb 7, 2015 11:34:20am

When I used the term “teabonics,” I was using it to imply a dialect of English, just as Ebonics was coined to describe a dialect of English. That’s all. No value judgment or comparison other than that was intended or implied.

But obviously it offends some people, so I’ll have to take that into account now.

137 Charles Johnson  Feb 7, 2015 11:34:46am

re: #135 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

I

I must disagree here. It’s not complicated because it stands for “illiterate” and “bad English”. Anyway, I only explain why I avoid the term. Peace :)

It only stands for “bad English” with people on the right.

138 CuriousLurker  Feb 7, 2015 11:35:30am

re: #102 b_sharp

He set a short time limit in order to skew the numbers. These are the same people who claim the Dems are racist because of actions 70yrs ago.

And Abraham Lincoln was a Republican. Somehow people’s cut-off dates always manage to support whatever point they’re trying to make, and it’s not just the wingnuts—it’s true of people all over the world.

It’s the same thing when Muslims hearken back to better days when Islam contributed many good things and wasn’t considered the scourge of the world, yet refuse to acknowledge the problems today.

There are many examples, and they all indicate intellectually dishonesty.

139 jaunte  Feb 7, 2015 11:36:09am

Constutional Free Expession.

140 b_sharp  Feb 7, 2015 11:36:49am

re: #127 ObserverArt

Did a Google search. Seems to be used a lot. Not saying it is right.

Even Urban Dictionary:

teabonics
The creative spelling or grammar featured on the various signs used by protesters in the Tea Party movement.

“What does that sign say?”
“Say no to socilism.”
“That protester is well-versed in teabonics.”

by thisischris March 30, 2010

I did say subtle & that I would stop using it.
YMMV

141 CuriousLurker  Feb 7, 2015 11:39:16am

re: #106 Blind Frog Belly White

That’s the thing, though, Dark - it always is. It’s always about power and tribalism, which incidentally is what is so sad about your candid response on the previous thread, about teams.

I had exactly the same thought when I read DF’s response.

142 ObserverArt  Feb 7, 2015 11:41:10am

re: #140 b_sharp

I did say subtle & that I would stop using it.
YMMV

I know.

My point was it is being used. Many times when a word is used to the point it becomes common, it does make it into the lexicon of the language. Good or bad. Language develops like a virus. It starts out, gets picked up and morphs. Some day it may make it in a real dictionary. Who knows?

143 jaunte  Feb 7, 2015 11:41:31am

We the People is confused.

144 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 7, 2015 11:42:12am

re: #137 Charles Johnson

Which is exactly why I was surprised when I first saw it used by the left to designate the horrible English of the TP.

145 ObserverArt  Feb 7, 2015 11:48:17am

re: #144 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Which is exactly why I was surprised when I first saw it used by the left to designate the horrible English of the TP.

I don’t quite understand. Can you clarify that a bit more?

If it means ‘bad English’ for one group and it is modified to point to another group’s ‘bad English” (the TeaParty) then it is specific to that one group’s bad English. At that point the only thing left that should be offensive is residual.

By the way, I don’t use it, but I find language fascinating. I weep that we seem to be cutting out colorfulness and cementing the bland.

146 OhNoZombies!  Feb 7, 2015 11:49:30am

Hooked on Phonics works for me!

;-)
147 jaunte  Feb 7, 2015 11:50:11am

Foxnics.

148 Amory Blaine  Feb 7, 2015 11:50:14am

I basically consider the audience. I won’t use terms like “welfare queen” to describe a CEO if I’m among moderate type people as it is a slur against minorities and the poor, but I’ll use it in the presence of a conservative with much vigor.

149 wrenchwench  Feb 7, 2015 11:51:40am
By the way, I don’t use it, but I find language fascinating.

I don’t think you can say that…

150 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 7, 2015 11:53:22am

re: #145 ObserverArt

When it is used as a stand-in for bad English, it is inevitably done in the right-wing framework that ignores the history of Ebonics and the reasons for its existence. Kind of like using Yiddish as a stand-in for bad German. It is very hard to divorce this usage from its right-wing roots.

151 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss  Feb 7, 2015 12:00:05pm

re: #91 Dark_Falcon

That is your opinion, and I do not agree with it.

US support of Muhammed Zia-ul-Huq isn’t opinion. Zia’s Islamization of Pakistan, and the subsequent rise of radical violence isn’t opinion. My aunt and her kids living through sectarian riots he turned a blind eye to is anecdote, but anecdote is not opinion.

Operation Ajax
Guatamala and United Fruit
Operation…wait why the fuck am I bothering?

…

152 CuriousLurker  Feb 7, 2015 12:01:03pm

So in other news, I visited my shrink today and he assured me that I’m neither delusional nor neurotic, I just need to stop ingesting too much bad news and other negative things and/or stop taking them to heart because people are as they always have been and always will be: imperfect, often short-sighted, and sometimes downright horrible. Oh, and I no longer need to go every month, it’s every other month now. Woohoo! *happy dance*

153 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 7, 2015 12:02:35pm

re: #152 CuriousLurker

{{CL}}

154 allegro  Feb 7, 2015 12:03:38pm

I can see where there could be some splash in the term teabonics though I tend towards the explanation of Mentis Fugit above. That said, I have no hound on this track so I don’t get to make that call. Someone whose opinion I would take as a definitive answer to the question would be Ta-nehisi Coates.

Charles, why not shoot him an email or tweet and ask him what he thinks of the term?

155 wrenchwench  Feb 7, 2015 12:05:55pm

re: #152 CuriousLurker

So in other news, I visited my shrink today and he assured me that I’m neither delusional nor neurotic, I just need to stop ingesting too much bad news and other negative things and/or stop taking them to heart because people are as they always have been and always will be: imperfect, often short-sighted, and sometimes downright horrible. Oh, and I no longer need to go every month, it’s every other month now. Woohoo! *happy dance*

Is that part of your brain aneurysm rehab?

156 CuriousLurker  Feb 7, 2015 12:07:33pm

re: #153 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

{{CL}}

Thanks. ;-)

I’m s-l-o-w-l-y learning that it’s possible to be horrified by awful people or events without internalizing them and thereby allowing them to harm me. I know that seems obvious, but it’s not always so easily done.

157 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss  Feb 7, 2015 12:09:02pm

re: #152 CuriousLurker

So in other news, I visited my shrink today and he assured me that I’m neither delusional nor neurotic, I just need to stop ingesting too much bad news and other negative things and/or stop taking them to heart because people are as they always have been and always will be: imperfect, often short-sighted, and sometimes downright horrible. Oh, and I no longer need to go every month, it’s every other month now. Woohoo! *happy dance*

Stress like that is endemic in my family. Sister, mother, me. It sucks, and you have my sympathies.

You’re aware of it and working it, and I don’t have any insight that’s better than what you just said. All that can be done is mindfulness: you can’t control people, just how you react to them.

Being mindful of your mindfulness in real time, though…

I prescribe reggae.

158 CuriousLurker  Feb 7, 2015 12:10:09pm

re: #155 wrenchwench

Is that part of your brain aneurysm rehab?

Actually, no. It’s part of my post-9/11 bouts with depression that I refused to deal with until about six months ago.

159 wrenchwench  Feb 7, 2015 12:11:37pm

re: #158 CuriousLurker

Actually, no. It’s part of my post-9/11 bouts with depression that I refused to deal with until about six months ago.

I’m glad you started dealing with those. I hope it always goes well.

160 jaunte  Feb 7, 2015 12:12:36pm

Harvard Free Orthogaphy

161 Charles Johnson  Feb 7, 2015 12:12:49pm
162 CuriousLurker  Feb 7, 2015 12:14:54pm

re: #157 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss

re: #159 wrenchwench

Thanks. ;)

163 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss  Feb 7, 2015 12:16:08pm

re: #162 CuriousLurker

Thanks. ;)

Hugs.

164 Charles Johnson  Feb 7, 2015 12:16:17pm
165 CuriousLurker  Feb 7, 2015 12:17:36pm

re: #163 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss

Hugs.

Right back atcha.

166 Dr Lizardo  Feb 7, 2015 12:17:48pm

re: #156 CuriousLurker

Thanks. ;-)

I’m s-l-o-w-l-y learning that it’s possible to be horrified by awful people or events without internalizing them and thereby allowing them to harm me. I know that seems obvious, but it’s not always so easily done.

Yep. There’s lots of horrifying shit out there. I’ve learned to blow it off.

But sometimes…….sometimes, I find myself asking, “By Jove! That’s horrible! What would Klaus Kinski do?” Then I laugh. Because of course, Kinski was insane, and trying to predict what that madman would do is, for me at least, a fun little mental exercise.

For a good fan take on Klaus, there’s this: angelfire.com

Yep. Klaus Kinski. Madman. Actor. So far out there, he’s in his own little realm.

167 wrenchwench  Feb 7, 2015 12:18:17pm

Time for my bike ride too. BBL.

168 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss  Feb 7, 2015 12:19:52pm

re: #166 Dr Lizardo

Fair warning, that link is throwing up a security alert from Trend Micro.

169 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 7, 2015 12:21:53pm

re: #164 Charles Johnson

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Hope he has enough Cheetos and beer to keep up his strength…

170 Charles Johnson  Feb 7, 2015 12:22:03pm
171 CuriousLurker  Feb 7, 2015 12:22:28pm

re: #166 Dr Lizardo

LOL—Klaus Kinski, huh? Maybe I’ll try that next time some noxious bit of awfulness tries to burrow its way into my head and take up residence there.

172 Dr Lizardo  Feb 7, 2015 12:22:49pm

re: #168 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss

Fair warning, that link is throwing up a security alert from Trend Micro.

OK. Not on my end. Weird.

173 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 7, 2015 12:23:11pm

re: #146 OhNoZombies!

Hooked on Phonics works for me!

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The Older Boy is one of the few I’ve ever known who seems to have learned reading ENTIRELY by word recognition. We could never figure out where to hook the phonics on him.

174 OhNoZombies!  Feb 7, 2015 12:23:12pm

re: #156 CuriousLurker

Thanks. ;-)

I’m s-l-o-w-l-y learning that it’s possible to be horrified by awful people or events without internalizing them and thereby allowing them to harm me. I know that seems obvious, but it’s not always so easily done.

The best advice my shrink gave me when I was having similar issues, was to try to not let other people’s problems become my own problems.
So now, if I can, I step back and say, “You’re an ass, and that’s on you, not me.”
Then I flip them the bird, in my mind, of course. :-)
{{CL}}

175 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss  Feb 7, 2015 12:23:28pm

re: #172 Dr Lizardo

OK. Not on my end. Weird.

My web security program can get very testy. So I dunno.

176 Dr Lizardo  Feb 7, 2015 12:24:19pm

re: #171 CuriousLurker

LOL—Klaus Kinski, huh? Maybe I’ll try that next time some noxious bit of awfulness tries to burrow its way into my head and take up residence there.

Yep. Here’s Klaus Kinski screaming at Werner Herzog.

…

And from all accounts, this was a rather mild outburst.

177 ObserverArt  Feb 7, 2015 12:24:36pm

re: #149 wrenchwench

I don’t think you can say that…

Heheee. Whoops.

178 CuriousLurker  Feb 7, 2015 12:27:05pm

re: #176 Dr Lizardo

Yep. Here’s Klaus Kinski screaming at Werner Herzog.

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Video

And from all accounts, this was a rather mild outburst.

O_o

179 Charles Johnson  Feb 7, 2015 12:27:17pm
180 A Cranky One  Feb 7, 2015 12:27:29pm

re: #156 CuriousLurker

Thanks. ;-)

I’m s-l-o-w-l-y learning that it’s possible to be horrified by awful people or events without internalizing them and thereby allowing them to harm me. I know that seems obvious, but it’s not always so easily done.

Glad to hear things are improving!

One problem with empathy is being able to identify with the victims of horrible events. I struggle with that myself. There are times I wish I could reach out and help everyone in trouble. That’s impossible, of course, so the best I can do is try not to think about all the evil in the world and just focus on what I can actually change. (I’m such a softy that I can’t tolerate watching ads about distressed animals).

So every time I do help somebody, I try to take what comfort I can in making at least a small difference. It helps.

Good for you for seeking help and so happy that it is helping!

181 CuriousLurker  Feb 7, 2015 12:28:07pm

re: #174 OhNoZombies!

The best advice my shrink gave me when I was having similar issues, was to try to not let other people’s problems become my own problems.
So now, if I can, I step back and say, “You’re an ass, and that’s on you, not me.”
Then I flip them the bird, in my mind, of course. :-)
{{CL}}

Thanks. {{{ONZ}}}

182 Pawn of the Oppressor  Feb 7, 2015 12:30:47pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

When I used the term “teabonics,” I was using it to imply a dialect of English, just as Ebonics was coined to describe a dialect of English. That’s all. No value judgment or comparison other than that was intended or implied.

But obviously it offends some people, so I’ll have to take that into account now.

If you take the “b” out of “teabonics” it removes the racial reference. Doing so also suggests variations:

teaonics ->
teaphonics ->
teafonix

huked awn teafonics

Language is fascinating..

183 Dr Lizardo  Feb 7, 2015 12:32:23pm

re: #178 CuriousLurker

O_o

Yep, and Herzog had to face that pretty much every day.

If you ever see Aguirre: The Wrath of God, you’ll notice all the other actors looking genuinely afraid of Kinski.

They were probably afraid he was going to kill them. Herzog related on how the set of Fitzcarraldo, one of the local extras they were using offered to kill Kinski on Herzog’s behalf, but Herzog declined on the grounds he needed Kinski for the film.

184 Charles Johnson  Feb 7, 2015 12:33:14pm
185 ObserverArt  Feb 7, 2015 12:33:30pm

TeaSphelin.

186 #FergusonFireside  Feb 7, 2015 12:35:55pm

re: #176 Dr Lizardo

Yep. Here’s Klaus Kinski screaming at Werner Herzog.

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Video

And from all accounts, this was a rather mild outburst.

The best part was Herzog’s narration!!

187 Romantic Heretic  Feb 7, 2015 12:39:48pm

re: #82 b.d.

Calling them Teabaggers is not insulting gay men either.

I just go with teahadis. To me the only differences between them and radical Muslims are aesthetic.

188 Dr Lizardo  Feb 7, 2015 12:40:58pm

re: #186 #FergusonFireside

The best part was Herzog’s narration!!

Yeah, Herzog has a calm, soothing voice. Quite the contrast to Klaus.

189 ObserverArt  Feb 7, 2015 12:41:04pm

re: #176 Dr Lizardo

Yep. Here’s Klaus Kinski screaming at Werner Herzog.

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And from all accounts, this was a rather mild outburst.

Just a small emotional artistic disagreement. Happens all the time.

Can you just imagine some of the dust-ups behind the lights and camera on many a movie set. Some damn big egos involved…

190 CuriousLurker  Feb 7, 2015 12:41:31pm

re: #180 A Cranky One

Glad to hear things are improving!

One problem with empathy is being able to identify with the victims of horrible events. I struggle with that myself. There are times I wish I could reach out and help everyone in trouble. That’s impossible, of course, so the best I can do is try not to think about all the evil in the world and just focus on what I can actually change. (I’m such a softy that I can’t tolerate watching ads about distressed animals).

So every time I do help somebody, I try to take what comfort I can in making at least a small difference. It helps.

Good for you for seeking help and so happy that it is helping!

Oh gosh, I totally know what you mean—I’ve been known to burst into tears over commercials. Being a softy had never been a big problem for me until 9/11 and the non-stop horror show it seems to have given birth to.

I certainly don’t identify with any terrorists, but being as horrified as anyone else by their actions, yet also knowing that some people hold me (as a Muslim, in a collective sense) responsible was just too much, y’know? Add to that that there are people actively working to demonize and cast suspicion on all observant Muslims… Why? Why would they do that to people who had done them no harm? Sometimes I felt like I couldn’t breathe. It’s getting better now though.

191 A Cranky One  Feb 7, 2015 12:43:06pm

re: #181 CuriousLurker

One of my degrees is in psychology (no jokes please!). But I decided not to pursue the field because I would have too much trouble not taking on other people’s problems. When you are face-to-face with someone who is hurting, it’s hard to maintain an emotional distance if you are a compassionate person.

192 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 7, 2015 12:43:46pm

re: #173 Blind Frog Belly White

The Older Boy is one of the few I’ve ever known who seems to have learned reading ENTIRELY by word recognition. We could never figure out where to hook the phonics on him.

That’s a very good thing. Phonics is why “Johnny Can’t Read”. It may work in a language with totally phonetic orthography like Finnish or Korean, but in English or French or Gaelic, you have to learn each word as a unit, like a Chinese character. Otherwise, you’re learning to decipher, not to read—like me with Cyrillic or Greek, spelling it out letter by letter.

193 Romantic Heretic  Feb 7, 2015 12:44:24pm

re: #104 Dark_Falcon

For being so thick-headed, the Pauls can be surprisingly thin-skinned.

In my experience those two traits are found together almost without exception.

194 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 7, 2015 12:45:10pm

of course CCJ doesn’t know if he has a local library.
He probably doesn’t know what any library looks like…

195 OhNoZombies!  Feb 7, 2015 12:46:17pm

re: #189 ObserverArt

Just a small emotional artistic disagreement. Happens all the time.

Can you just imagine some of the dust-ups behind the lights and camera on many a movie set. Some damn big egos involved…

Christian Bale went a little nuts on Terminator Salvation.

196 Dr Lizardo  Feb 7, 2015 12:46:22pm

re: #189 ObserverArt

Just a small emotional artistic disagreement. Happens all the time.

Can you just imagine some of the dust-ups behind the lights and camera on many a movie set. Some damn big egos involved…

Yeah, but from all accounts Kinski was genuinely insane. For instance, this photo - which came to be the film poster image for the documentary film Mein liebster Fiend - is actually Klaus Kinski attacking Werner Herzog with a machete.

O_O

197 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Feb 7, 2015 12:46:32pm

re: #192 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

That doesn’t really make sense. With a character based language you need to know a lot of characters. With an alphabet based language, you can decipher the words using only a couple dozen “characters”

198 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 7, 2015 12:46:45pm
I don’t know that I have a library. I’ll check.

That is really, really sad.

199 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Feb 7, 2015 12:47:57pm

I have to confess I don’t think I’ve been in my library since 1982.

200 ObserverArt  Feb 7, 2015 12:48:02pm

re: #191 A Cranky One

One of my degrees is in psychology (no jokes please!). But I decided not to pursue the field because I would have too much trouble not taking on other people’s problems. When you are face-to-face with someone who is hurting, it’s hard to maintain an emotional distance if you are a compassionate person.

“One of my degrees”

So, how many do you have?

(No need to answer, just joking with you.)

201 Romantic Heretic  Feb 7, 2015 12:49:26pm

re: #125 Dr Lizardo

So, one of my colleagues was all breathless yesterday that 50 Shades of Grey is being released next week, to which I responded, “Pfft. Watch Salo, or the 120 Days of Sodom if you wanna see something scandalous that’s BDSM related.”

She just Skyped me. She was pretty much speechless. She did at least get the idea of the film as an allegory for Fascism. I did warn her that it was, shall we say, explicit.

I read 50 Shades, and to be honest, I wasn’t impressed.

I write kinky erotica and I loathed 50 Shades. The writer knows nothing, nothing, about BDSM. What’s-his-name, the main character, is a stalker and an abuser. He’s not anything like a real dominant should be; safe, sane and consensual.

It also pissed me off royally that a piece of shit like 50 Shades is a bestseller. Grrrrr.

202 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 7, 2015 12:49:53pm

re: #197 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

That doesn’t really make sense. With a character based language you need to know a lot of characters. With an alphabet based language, you can decipher the words using only a couple dozen “characters”

Yes, and that’s all you’ll ever learn to do, spell them out letter by letter. Ever see somebody tracing out words with their finger and muttering to themselves as they “read”? (It might be me trying to sound out a Russian text.)

Phonics in action.

203 CuriousLurker  Feb 7, 2015 12:50:24pm

re: #194 Backwoods_Sleuth

He missed his calling. With his dishonesty & shameless grifting eh would’ve made the perfect traveling (or TV) evangelist.

204 Romantic Heretic  Feb 7, 2015 12:51:57pm

re: #142 ObserverArt

I know.

My point was it is being used. Many times when a word is used to the point it becomes common, it does make it into the lexicon of the language. Good or bad. Language develops like a virus. It starts out, gets picked up and morphs. Some day it may make it in a real dictionary. Who knows?

English is a language that mugs other languages in dark alleys and then goes through their pockets in search of spare vocabulary.

205 jaunte  Feb 7, 2015 12:52:42pm

Teasplainin’

206 b.d.  Feb 7, 2015 12:52:46pm

re: #194 Backwoods_Sleuth

of course CCJ doesn’t know if he has a local library.
He probably doesn’t know what any library looks like…

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Dumbass doesn’t know if he has a library?

207 Charles Johnson  Feb 7, 2015 12:53:13pm

They never stop.

208 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Feb 7, 2015 12:53:53pm

re: #202 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

No, haven’t seen that since second grade. By reading the letters, I am able to read words that I have heard but never seen. If there were only a character, I would have no shot at understanding something I see for the first time.

209 OhNoZombies!  Feb 7, 2015 12:54:14pm

re: #206 b.d.

Dumbass doesn’t know if he has a library?

That would explain a lot.

210 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss  Feb 7, 2015 12:54:28pm

re: #201 Romantic Heretic

I find it hilarious that they guy they cast for the 50 Shades movie just did a crime drama called The Fall where he plays a serial killer who acting out a very deeply ingrained misogynist impulses.

The latter is very good, but intentionally written to make you uncomfortable with the more “normal” misogyny of the men involved in the police case. And it stars Gillian Anderson, who’s spectacular as the lead detective.

I’m also going to plug the Pervocracy Let’s-Read of 50 Shades, which is both very funny and very thorough in taking apart the book’s depiction of BDSM.

211 Charles Johnson  Feb 7, 2015 12:55:26pm
212 ObserverArt  Feb 7, 2015 12:55:34pm

re: #206 b.d.

Dumbass doesn’t know if he has a library?

He doesn’t know if he has a damn brain. Why would he need a library. They have facts and history there.

His shtick is more like involuntary copycat knee jerking.

213 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 7, 2015 12:55:59pm

re: #176 Dr Lizardo

Fitzcarraldo

fils - french for ‘son’
fitz - scottish/english adaptation of it
gerrald - original scottish/english name
fitzgerrald - son of gerald
fitzcarraldo - hispanization of it

then pronounce the hispanic intepretation of a scottish/english name with elements derived from the french with a thick german accent, and you’ve got it

214 OhNoZombies!  Feb 7, 2015 12:56:17pm

re: #210 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss

I find it hilarious that they guy they cast for the 50 Shades movie just did a crime drama called The Fall where he plays a serial killer who acting out a very deeply ingrained misogynist impulses.

The latter is very good, but intentionally written to make you uncomfortable with the more “normal” misogyny of the men involved in the police case. And it stars Gillian Anderson, who’s spectacular as the lead detective.

I’m also going to plug the Pervocracy Let’s-Read of 50 Shades, which is both very funny and very thorough in taking apart the book’s depiction of BDSM.

Great show, The Fall.
I’m planning to bing watch season 2 in the next few days.

215 A Cranky One  Feb 7, 2015 12:56:59pm

re: #190 CuriousLurker

…
I certainly don’t identify with any terrorists, but being as horrified as anyone else by their actions, yet also knowing that some people hold me (as a Muslim, in a collective sense) responsible was just too much, y’know? Add to that that there are people actively working to demonize and cast suspicion on all observant Muslims… Why? Why would they do that to people who had done them no harm? Sometimes I felt like I couldn’t breathe. It’s getting better now though.

I was helping a friend replace an old floor with new laminate when his wife returned from the grocery store. She was upset because she’d been harassed for wearing a hijab at the store. I was appalled to learn that it was a fairly common occurrence, and nowhere near the worst thing that had happened.

These are some of the nicest, kindest and gentlest people I know. I was extremely angry that strangers would be so cruel to them.

The next day, I went to work and as usual, the TV in the lab was tuned to Fox. When some anti-Muslim comments were made on the show, I immediately demanded that the TV be turned off and explained why. It’s been over a year now and the TV has remained off. And the funny thing? The RWNJs seem to be much calmer and less agitated all the time.

216 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Feb 7, 2015 12:57:23pm

re: #213 dog philosopher

Just imagine Ricardo Montelban saying it

217 jaunte  Feb 7, 2015 12:58:01pm

re: #216 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Rich Fitzcarraldian Leather.

218 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss  Feb 7, 2015 12:58:23pm

re: #216 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Just imagine Ricardo Montelban saying it

rich Corinthian Fitzcarroldo

219 Dr Lizardo  Feb 7, 2015 12:58:24pm

re: #213 dog philosopher

fils - french for ‘son’
fitz - scottish/english adaptation of it
gerrald - original scottish/english name
fitzgerrald - son of gerald
fitzcarraldo - hispanization of it

then pronounce the hispanic intepretation of a scottish/english name with elements derived from the french with a thick german accent, and you’ve got it

Fitzcarraldo is a brilliant film, and if any Lizards haven’t seen it, I strongly recommend it. No one but Werner Herzog could’ve directed it, and no - absolutely no one - but Klaus Kinski could’ve starred in it.

220 CuriousLurker  Feb 7, 2015 1:00:18pm

re: #210 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss

I find it hilarious that they guy they cast for the 50 Shades movie just did a crime drama called The Fall where he plays a serial killer who acting out a very deeply ingrained misogynist impulses.

The latter is very good, but intentionally written to make you uncomfortable with the more “normal” misogyny of the men involved in the police case. And it stars Gillian Anderson, who’s spectacular as the lead detective. […]

The Fall is great and the guy is soooo creepy as the serial killer. And the teenage girl that’s infatuated with him—that can’t possibly turn out well, but it certainly make you wonder what would cuase that kind of behavior…. I’m in the middle of season 2 right now—gonna try to binge-watch the rest of ti this weekend.

221 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss  Feb 7, 2015 1:00:39pm

re: #218 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss

I swear that Ricardo Montelban’s ennuciation was audible italics.

222 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 7, 2015 1:00:53pm

re: #208 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

No, haven’t seen that since second grade. By reading the letters, I am able to read words that I have heard but never seen. If there were only a character, I would have no shot at understanding something I see for the first time.

Well, of course you know the values of the letters, which would allow you to “decipher” the pronunciation of a new word the first time you see it*—in Chinese there’s no such mechanism. So alphabetic writing is great. I wasn’t attacking alphabetic writing.

But that’s all you’re doing is deciphering, until you’ve learned to absorb that new word as a unit. Then you can read it, not just decipher it.

*Of course in English you’d frequently be misled.

223 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss  Feb 7, 2015 1:05:38pm

re: #221 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss

And Christopher Walken is what bad kerning sounds like.

224 ObserverArt  Feb 7, 2015 1:06:23pm

I always loved the rule of “i before e, except after c” the nuns drilled in our heads in Catholic school.

Except for the exceptions!

225 b_sharp  Feb 7, 2015 1:06:48pm

re: #152 CuriousLurker

So in other news, I visited my shrink today and he assured me that I’m neither delusional nor neurotic, I just need to stop ingesting too much bad news and other negative things and/or stop taking them to heart because people are as they always have been and always will be: imperfect, often short-sighted, and sometimes downright horrible. Oh, and I no longer need to go every month, it’s every other month now. Woohoo! *happy dance*

Here’s a giant hug {{{{{{CL}}}}}}}

226 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Feb 7, 2015 1:06:54pm

re: #222 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

* not as often as you think.

As an aside, the language that drove my batty was German. They have (IIRC) six words for “the” and six words for “a”, all gender (not physical gender) and case dependent. Further, you are expected to put endings on adjectives (also gender and case dependent) and some of the word order rules are wild. I remember an example something like:
I would have gone home first, but I had to go to the store, turns into something like: I would home first, but had I to store go gone.

227 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 7, 2015 1:07:14pm

re: #210 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss

I find it hilarious that they guy they cast for the 50 Shades movie just did a crime drama called The Fall where he plays a serial killer who acting out a very deeply ingrained misogynist impulses.

The latter is very good, but intentionally written to make you uncomfortable with the more “normal” misogyny of the men involved in the police case. And it stars Gillian Anderson, who’s spectacular as the lead detective.

I’m also going to plug the Pervocracy Let’s-Read of 50 Shades, which is both very funny and very thorough in taking apart the book’s depiction of BDSM.

I’ll have to check out The Fall. But not because Gillian Anderson spent about a decade on my freebie list after The X Files premiered—of course not….

228 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 7, 2015 1:08:14pm

re: #222 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Well, of course you know the values of the letters, which would allow you to “decipher” the pronunciation of a new word the first time you see it*—in Chinese there’s no such mechanism. So alphabetic writing is great. I wasn’t attacking alphabetic writing.

But that’s all you’re doing is deciphering, until you’ve learned to absorb that new word as a unit.

you can read it, not just decipher it.

*Of course in English you’d frequently be misled.

It’s kind of like Morse Code.
Some people have to translate each individual character.
Then there are some of us who actually “hear” entire words and phrases.

229 #FergusonFireside  Feb 7, 2015 1:08:49pm
230 ObserverArt  Feb 7, 2015 1:08:53pm

re: #223 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss

And Christopher Walken is what bad kerning sounds like.

Hahahahaaa!

Add in some extra letters due to stuck keys on the old word processor and that is the best description ever for his speech patterns.

231 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 7, 2015 1:11:16pm

re: #226 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

* not as often as you think.

As an aside, the language that drove my batty was German. They have (IIRC) six words for “the” and six words for “a”, all gender (not physical gender) and case dependent. Further, you are expected to put endings on adjectives (also gender and case dependent) and some of the word order rules are wild. I remember an example something like:
I would have gone home first, but I had to go to the store, turns into something like: I would home first, but had I to store go gone.

Ha! Yeah, I took three years of German in high school. And inflection in German has just about disappeared compared with conservative Indo-European languages like Russian. Lithuanian still has 8 cases, 3 genders, and 3 numbers!

232 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 7, 2015 1:13:01pm

re: #228 Backwoods_Sleuth

Also, one of my sisters is dyslexic.
The way she eventually learned to read was by memorizing entire words as one thing, instead of collections of individual letters.
She’s in her mid-’50s now and still has problems with new and/or unfamiliar written words, but the ones she memorized over the years as a “single blocks of text”, she recognizes.

233 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Feb 7, 2015 1:13:42pm

re: #231 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

You know in spite of all those rules I got good at speaking German, but ran out of people to speak it with and lost it. If I ever make through nursing school, I’m going to try to take up a new language (maybe with Rosetta Stone or something like that) but I have to decide on which one. In Philly there are a lot of Russian, Korean, Chinese and Vietnamese speakers.

234 Charles Johnson  Feb 7, 2015 1:13:46pm
235 b.d.  Feb 7, 2015 1:14:15pm

It appears that Hobby Lobby Holly Fisher deleted her Twitter account @HollyRFisher after Chuck C exposed her private life to the world.

That was her account.

But since Chuck is back fighting the non-wingnut world they have forgiven him and thrown her entire existence down the memory hole. The man knows his audience well.

236 Charles Johnson  Feb 7, 2015 1:15:16pm
237 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Feb 7, 2015 1:16:06pm

re: #236 Charles Johnson

I hope it won’t stop his rapping career.

238 b.d.  Feb 7, 2015 1:17:22pm

re: #236 Charles Johnson

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I wish I could tell my boss that.

239 Charles Johnson  Feb 7, 2015 1:17:23pm
240 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 7, 2015 1:17:39pm

Since I just used the word “misled”…. Enough people read this /my-zled/ and assumed that it was the past tense of a verb “to misle” that that word is now in the dictionary. English—gotta love it!

241 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Feb 7, 2015 1:19:46pm

re: #240 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Since I just used the word “misled”…. Enough people read this /my-zled/ and assumed that it was the past tense of a verb “to misle” that that word is now in the dictionary. English—gotta love it!

Somehow I doubt many people think you control the weather.

242 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss  Feb 7, 2015 1:20:06pm

re: #235 b.d.

It appears that Hobby Lobby Holly Fisher deleted her Twitter account @HollyRFisher after Chuck C exposed her private life to the world.

That was her account.

But since Chuck is back fighting the non-wingnut world they have forgiven him and thrown her entire existence down the memory hole. The man knows his audience well.

Modern wingnuts are in the “fuck it, why not bathtub desomorphine?” stage of addiction to hateful derp.

243 Romantic Heretic  Feb 7, 2015 1:20:46pm

re: #210 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss

I find it hilarious that they guy they cast for the 50 Shades movie just did a crime drama called The Fall where he plays a serial killer who acting out a very deeply ingrained misogynist impulses.

The latter is very good, but intentionally written to make you uncomfortable with the more “normal” misogyny of the men involved in the police case. And it stars Gillian Anderson, who’s spectacular as the lead detective.

I’m also going to plug the Pervocracy Let’s-Read of 50 Shades, which is both very funny and very thorough in taking apart the book’s depiction of BDSM.

Snort. I loved that. What a perfect takedown of an awful book.

244 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 7, 2015 1:22:43pm

re: #241 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Somehow I doubt many people think you control the weather.

Yeah, I did write that wrnog, didn’t I? Inasmuch as I just used the word… It’s amusing that in the past, people read…

245 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Feb 7, 2015 1:24:02pm

re: #244 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

One of my favorites is unionized and unionized.

246 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 7, 2015 1:25:00pm

re: #245 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

One of my favorites is unionized and unionized.

Then there’s Polish and polish.

247 CuriousLurker  Feb 7, 2015 1:27:31pm

re: #228 Backwoods_Sleuth

When I was learning to read & write Arabic & Farsi it took a long time for my brain to start recognizing the letters as representing sounds without having to mentally transliterate them back into their English equivalents (or the nearest thing to an equivalent). Oddly enough, at times I’d go to write something in English from right to left instead of LTR—it was weird because I’d just sit there for a second or two with my pen or pencil hovering over the paper, unable to figure out exactly what was wrong.

The worst part about those languages is the absence of written short vowels (I believe Hebrew is the same), especially since using the wrong one can drastically change the meaning of a word. It’s not so bad in the Qur’an because it always has all the diacritical marks so you know exactly what the word is, but in regular (Modern Standard) Arabic, like what you read in newspapers, they’re mostly absent. Ditto for Farsi—it doesn’t use them at all, so you have to understand the context to know which word is being used.

Then there are the different cultural references & symbolism… It’s like you have to climb into a completely different headspace to really understand them.

248 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Feb 7, 2015 1:28:34pm

re: #246 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

There’s a Polish water ice stand on the boardwalk in Ocean City, NJ. They must be the brunt of a lot of jokes. My wife went to Poland once, I asked her to find out what kind of jokes Polish people tell (Two Hungarians walk into a bar…) but she didn’t ask :(

249 A Cranky One  Feb 7, 2015 1:33:04pm

re: #200 ObserverArt

“One of my degrees”

So, how many do you have?

(No need to answer, just joking with you.)

When my second child was born I was working in a factory. Without advanced degrees, a psych degree isn’t worth much in the marketplace. So I went back to school and got an engineering degree (electronics).

Built my very first computer totally by hand (all wire-wrapped point-to-point wiring); this was before there were PCs. Still have it somewhere. It’s Intel 8085 based, put the input in in hex and get the output in binary. Built it into a briefcase. Looks a lot like what Hollywood thinks bombs look like ;(

250 TedStriker  Feb 7, 2015 1:33:39pm

re: #242 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss

Modern wingnuts are in the “fuck it, why not bathtub desomorphine?” stage of addiction to hateful derp.

Krokodil is some nasty shit…rots you from the inside out.

251 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 7, 2015 1:35:02pm

re: #248 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

There’s a Polish water ice stand on the boardwalk in Ocean City, NJ. They must be the brunt of a lot of jokes. My wife went to Poland once, I asked her to find out what kind of jokes Polish people tell (Two Hungarians walk into a bar…) but she didn’t ask :(

Well, as a Norwegian, when I learned all those jokes they were Swedish jokes….

252 retired cynic  Feb 7, 2015 1:48:24pm

re: #247 CuriousLurker

When I was learning to read & write Arabic & Farsi it took a long time for my brain to start recognizing the letters as representing sounds without having to mentally transliterate them back into their English equivalents (or the nearest thing to an equivalent). Oddly enough, at times I’d go to write something in English from right to left instead of LTR—it was weird because I’d just sit there for a second or two with my pen or pencil hovering over the paper, unable to figure out exactly what was wrong.

The worst part about those languages is the absence of written short vowels (I believe Hebrew is the same), especially since using the wrong one can drastically change the meaning of a word. It’s not so bad in the Qur’an because it always has all the diacritical marks so you know exactly what the word is, but in regular (Modern Standard) Arabic, like what you read in newspapers, they’re mostly absent. Ditto for Farsi—it doesn’t use them at all, so you have to understand the context to know which word is being used.

Then there are the different cultural references & symbolism… It’s like you have to climb into a completely different headspace to really understand them.

That is SUCH an important point. In fact, I think it is true across all languages and cultures: each has its own ‘surround’ and needs to be entered to be truly understood. I’m working on a book translating ancient Arabic (c800CE) to modern English (I’m not doing the translating!), and each word seems to carry a paragraph of background!

253 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 7, 2015 1:50:38pm

re: #251 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Well, as a Norwegian, when I learned all those jokes they were Swedish jokes….

Here in Kentucky, they are all West Virginia jokes; for example:

How are tornadoes and divorces the same in West Virginia?

Somebody’s gonna lose a mobile home…

254 Joe Bacon  Feb 7, 2015 1:57:58pm

re: #235 b.d.

I guess she got “disappeared” from Conservative sites.

Reminds me of how Stalin “disappeared” his opponents!

255 Great White Snark  Feb 7, 2015 1:59:58pm

re: #230 ObserverArt

BTW all went well with the lift. Went up, found no more fire damage than expected and got done. Minor hilarity driving the thing back outside.

256 Higgs Boson's Mate  Feb 7, 2015 2:07:58pm

re: #152 CuriousLurker

So in other news, I visited my shrink today and he assured me that I’m neither delusional nor neurotic, I just need to stop ingesting too much bad news and other negative things and/or stop taking them to heart because people are as they always have been and always will be: imperfect, often short-sighted, and sometimes downright horrible. Oh, and I no longer need to go every month, it’s every other month now. Woohoo! *happy dance*

Congratulations and hugs! Speaking strictly for myself, I gained a great deal of serenity when I stopped watching TV news. That was eight years ago and I’ve never looked back. The number of things that I don’t need to know is a boon of old age.

257 PhillyPretzel  Feb 7, 2015 2:29:08pm

re: #152 CuriousLurker

That is good news. :)

258 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Feb 7, 2015 3:30:45pm

The hard-right Israeli Lobby is as eager to take advantage of Republican hate towards President Obama as Republicans are to involve Israel in their End-Times /Rapture /Fantasy Jeezus-fest.

…Only the Republican’s goal involves tossing Jews into the Pits of Hell at the end of their Jeezus dream. I wonder if the more reasonable voices inside Israel can convince a cancellation of this speech that the entire world sees as a purely political stunt, and as further “proof of how Israel controls the US”. In reality, it is Republican religious fantasies that fetishize and dehumanize Israel and Jews. And it is this fetish that really controls a large part of the US.

259 Bass Reeves  Feb 7, 2015 3:32:48pm

re: #247 CuriousLurker

When I was learning Arabic I figured it was the best way to mentally embrace the new alphabet was to start from the very beginning writing with my non-dominant hand. It actually helped my reading immensely because I wasn’t trying to turn a ‘jiim’ into a ‘j’.

The sad thing is, I write English left-handed, and Arabic right-handed, so no matter what language I write in, I smear the page.

260 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 8, 2015 2:40:37am

re: #226 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

* not as often as you think.

As an aside, the language that drove my batty was German. They have (IIRC) six words for “the” and six words for “a”, all gender (not physical gender) and case dependent. Further, you are expected to put endings on adjectives (also gender and case dependent) and some of the word order rules are wild. I remember an example something like:
I would have gone home first, but I had to go to the store, turns into something like: I would home first, but had I to store go gone.

Your count is a bit off. We’re talking 3 genders x 4 cases, that is, 12 forms of “a” and 16 forms of “the” (because of the plural “the”). That is, if we’re talking about pure articles, because there are also article-like words like “kein”.
But there is a system to that madness. One gets used to it after a while.


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