Ben Carson Calls for War Against ISIS With “No Rules”

What’s a few war crimes among friends?
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Dr. Ben Carson, the young Earth creationist neurosurgeon currently considered a frontrunner for the GOP presidential nomination, told Fox News’ Bill Hemmer today that the US should go to war against ISIS — without any rules. According to Carson, US soldiers fear being prosecuted for doing “politically incorrect” things (which apparently means war crimes), and he wants to do away with those pesky Geneva Conventions the United States signed, and tell the troops, “Anything goes!”

Ladies and gentlemen, the Republican Party in 2015: openly advocating encouraging US soldiers to commit war crimes.

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173 comments
1 Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 16, 2015 11:13:32am

If you eliminate the rules, you do so for both sides.

2 Kragar  Feb 16, 2015 11:14:17am

Yeah, that is exactly the kind of attitude someone running for President should have.

WTF is wrong with these morons?

3 Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 16, 2015 11:14:35am

By which I mean that if this were to ever happen we’d have to deal with our enemies doing terrible things to our troops as well.

4 PhillyPretzel  Feb 16, 2015 11:16:40am

I will bet 1 penny Dr Carson never heard of Sun Tzu.

5 wrenchwench  Feb 16, 2015 11:18:16am
Rules are what made us lose in Vietnam!

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6 William Barnett-Lewis  Feb 16, 2015 11:19:31am

I deeply want to take a C-5, load it full of every Chicken Hawk politician (to include Dr. Carson) and parachute them into ISIL territory. One M-4, full combat load of ammo & rations. Maybe we can remember to resupply them about the time they decide to properly fund the VA.

7 Kragar  Feb 16, 2015 11:19:31am

re: #3 Eclectic Cyborg

On the one hand, they’ll talk about how much better and more civilized we are compared to the enemy.

On the other, they’ll urge that we toss aside every rule we have and emulate their worst traits to fight them.

They’re sick, sick people.

8 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 16, 2015 11:20:01am
According to Carson, US soldiers fear being prosecuted for doing “politically incorrect” things (which apparently means war crimes)

I missed the days when conservatives could be counted on to demand Moral Absolutes. //

9 Targetpractice  Feb 16, 2015 11:20:08am

re: #2 Kragar

Yeah, that is exactly the kind of attitude someone running for President should have.

WTF is wrong with these morons?

Their party base. You know, the ones who cheered on reports of soldiers pissing on the corpses of fallen insurgents, and saw nothing wrong with a Scout Sniper insignia that was virtually indistinguishable from that for the SS.

10 Great White Snark  Feb 16, 2015 11:20:09am

Thanks Ben for so well illustrating exactly why we do not go there. That’s a guy that might glass a city if he could in a righteous anger. Nope. won’t have it.

11 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Feb 16, 2015 11:20:21am

Ben Carson is just the kind of guy ISIS wants to reach.

12 Varek Raith  Feb 16, 2015 11:21:40am

Do elaborate on these ‘politically incorrect’ actions, Dr.
In detail, please.

13 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 16, 2015 11:26:19am

In other news, CSPAN3 running a panel discussion on First Ladies Fashions for President’s Day.

14 A Cranky One  Feb 16, 2015 11:27:37am

I guess “Do no harm” only applies when the Dr. can bill somebody. Maybe not even then. Sigh.

15 PhillyPretzel  Feb 16, 2015 11:29:20am

re: #14 A Cranky One

Maybe he should have his license to practice medicine revoked for suggesting such a thing.

16 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 16, 2015 11:30:10am

How funny that preachy fanatics are usually the ones without morals. Carson is with ISIS in spirit.

17 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 16, 2015 11:31:55am

PS: oh hai from Barcelona.

18 wrenchwench  Feb 16, 2015 11:32:49am

re: #17 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

PS: oh hai from Barcelona.

Hola amigo.

19 A Cranky One  Feb 16, 2015 11:33:13am

I guess two wrongs DO make a right…..winger.

20 Lidane  Feb 16, 2015 11:34:10am

I’m currently dealing with a few military geniuses who have suggested that Ben Carson is correct, and that the United States should stop pandering to [insert Muslim smear here] feelings in fighting ISIS. You know, because we’ve done that so far.

Also, we apparently need to nuke Mecca to persuade the Saudis to help the United States fight ISIS.

WTF.

21 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 16, 2015 11:34:37am

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY.
It never occurs to them that some of the guys might be in both pictures.

22 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 16, 2015 11:36:22am

re: #21 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY.
It never occurs to them that some of the guys might be in both pictures.

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I’m glad conservatives are being their usual patriot selves on this President’s Day. /

23 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss  Feb 16, 2015 11:36:23am

What does “no rules” mean, contextually?

Chemical/Nuclear/Biological weapons okay?
Strikes against civilian population—who are hostages of ISIS—okay?

Torture?
Rape?

He doesn’t know, but he’s for it.

I really wish I could just dismiss this as empty bluster, but this is just another example in the trend of wingnuts declaring existential threats that have to be dealt with by setting aside all ethical conventions.

24 The Vicious Babushka  Feb 16, 2015 11:37:40am

re: #23 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss

What does “no rules” mean, contextually?

Chemical/Nuclear/Biological weapons okay?
Strikes against civilian population—who are hostages of ISIS—okay?

Torture?
Rape?

He doesn’t know, but he’s for it.

I really wish I could just dismiss this as empty bluster, but this is just another example in the trend of wingnuts declaring existential threats that have to be dealt with by setting aside all ethical conventions.

WHATEVER IT TAKES TO WIN!!!!! JUST LIKE WE WON EVERY WAR BEFORE THE INCOME TAX!!!!!1!!!!

25 Justanotherhuman  Feb 16, 2015 11:38:00am

Heh, no rules? He sounds like a 15 yr old.

26 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 16, 2015 11:38:15am

re: #21 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY.
It never occurs to them that some of the guys might be in both pictures.

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This exact meme went around as each of the 11 Confederate states seceded from the Union.

27 PhillyPretzel  Feb 16, 2015 11:38:25am

re: #25 Justanotherhuman

or younger.

28 Targetpractice  Feb 16, 2015 11:39:56am

re: #21 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY.
It never occurs to them that some of the guys might be in both pictures.

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Of course, let’s ignore the logical contradiction that says the military will support the insurrectionists because they won’t follow orders to turn guns on their fellow Americans, but will fight their fellow Americans in order to overthrow the government that they disagree with.

29 Archangelus  Feb 16, 2015 11:42:04am

re: #28 Targetpractice

Of course, let’s ignore the logical contradiction that says the military will support the insurrectionists because they won’t follow orders to turn guns on their fellow Americans, but will fight their fellow Americans in order to overthrow the government that they disagree with.

GO AWAY WITH YUR LOGICS AND REASONIN’ MUMBO JUMBO!!!

30 Kragar  Feb 16, 2015 11:42:08am

re: #21 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY.
It never occurs to them that some of the guys might be in both pictures.

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If Twitter had been around in the 1850s, I’m sure lots of Confederates would have said something similar about the Union.

31 Justanotherhuman  Feb 16, 2015 11:43:21am

Charlotte, NC, airport seeing average delay of 3 hours and 40 minutes due to snow and ice, according to FlightAware
read more on flightaware.com

Yet we’re west of Charlotte and have nada, zilch, zero.

32 makeitstop  Feb 16, 2015 11:45:21am

Proof positive that you can be a brain surgeon and still be a complete idiot.

33 Justanotherhuman  Feb 16, 2015 11:45:32am

Craig Hicks has been indicted by a Grand Jury on 3 counts of murder and firing into an occupied bldg.

34 Charles Johnson  Feb 16, 2015 11:48:59am

Uh oh. Just got followed by a chemtrail nut.

35 BadExampleMan  Feb 16, 2015 11:49:29am

re: #6 William Barnett-Lewis

I misread this initially as saying, not fill up a C-5 with all the chickenhawk politicians, but fill up all the chickenhawk politicans with C-4 - and then parachute them into ISIL territory.

And you know, I kind of like my version better.

36 Kragar  Feb 16, 2015 11:50:14am

Ben retweeted this:

37 Justanotherhuman  Feb 16, 2015 11:51:39am

Let the Rs keep on yapping. They won’t have anyone left to nominate.

That should seal 2016 for the Dems.

38 Targetpractice  Feb 16, 2015 11:53:28am

It’s comments like this that really do convince me that Carson is not making a serious effort to run. He’s pulling a Palin, making a lot of noise about considering a bid, with the intent of cashing in at some future date. Whether that’s a contract with Faux, a book deal, or just a shitload of speakers fees. But President? Nah, he doesn’t want to sit in the White House, because he can’t make real money that way.

39 #FergusonFireside  Feb 16, 2015 11:54:10am
40 Timothy Watson  Feb 16, 2015 11:54:13am
ALLENTOWN, PA—Explaining how it would allow him to hunt terrorists from long distances in a variety of combat environments, local teen Alex Gibson informed reporters Monday that he would likely choose a gun with a night vision laser scope if he enlisted in the United States Army. “I used to think I’d want dual Uzis, but now I’m pretty sure I’d put that scope on an armor-piercing automatic rifle,” said the 15-year-old, adding that he would prefer his weapon also be fitted with a silencer and painted matte black to maximize his stealth during the special ops raids he elected to join. “It’s a good weapon for when I’m the demolition guy, but just in case I needed to snipe someone, I’d also want a backup .50-cal gun with an extra-long zoom lens. And obviously I thought about having a grenade launcher too, except in close quarters combat I’d much rather have a Glock with a customized grip.” Gibson added that he would also probably go through helicopter pilot training just in case he ever wants to fly an Apache during a mission.

theonion.com

41 Targetpractice  Feb 16, 2015 11:55:08am

re: #40 Timothy Watson

theonion.com

Heh.

42 Charles Johnson  Feb 16, 2015 11:56:23am

Putting this here just to make sure people see it:

Unz Review is a noxious white supremacist site that tries to masquerade as “alternative news,” by paying for syndicated columns from non-racists like Gustavo Arellano and mixing them in with articles from outright white supremacists like Jared Taylor, Steve Sailer, Sam Francis and John Derbyshire.

Another frequent contributor is raving antisemite Israel Shamir. These are Chuck’s sources.

43 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 16, 2015 11:57:22am

re: #40 Timothy Watson

theonion.com

onion hits so close to home it is hard to distinguish from satire

44 Justanotherhuman  Feb 16, 2015 11:58:27am

re: #43 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

onion hits so close to home it is hard to distinguish from satire

Yeah, at first I thought it was a ‘gaming effect’ speaking.

45 Justanotherhuman  Feb 16, 2015 12:01:57pm

Watch nature. The birds have just about scarfed up every seed in the bird feeder (and it holds about 3 cups); it was full yesterday. Will have to go out into the cold and refill. : )

46 Shiplord Kirel  Feb 16, 2015 12:03:01pm

War with no rules? We’ve been there before.

War in Vietnam, no rules! My Lai 1968

War on crime, no rules! Waco, Texas 1916

War on native Americans, no rules! Sand Creek 1864

47 A Cranky One  Feb 16, 2015 12:03:26pm

re: #45 Justanotherhuman

Watch nature. The birds have just about scarfed up every seed in the bird feeder (and it holds about 3 cups); it was full yesterday. Will have to go out into the cold and refill. : )

Do it quick. Don’t want to have angry birds ;)

48 Kragar  Feb 16, 2015 12:06:30pm

re: #47 A Cranky One

Do it quick. Don’t want to have angry birds ;)

They’ll start throwing themselves at your house.

49 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss  Feb 16, 2015 12:07:33pm

re: #46 Shiplord Kirel

Coincidentally, war with no rules involves kicking the everliving shit out of every civilian in the conflict zone.

50 Lidane  Feb 16, 2015 12:08:03pm

That sound you hear is a bunch of sexist assholes hitting their fainting couches:

51 RealityBasedSteve  Feb 16, 2015 12:08:12pm

NASA is looking at sending a submarine to the seas of Titan.

Envisaged as a possible mission to Titan’s largest sea, Kracken Mare, the autonomous submersible would be designed to make a 90 day, 2,000 kilometer (1,250 mile) voyage exploring the depths of this vast and very alien marine environment. As it would spend long periods under the methane sea’s surface, it would have to be powered by a radioisotope generator; a source that converts the heat produced by radioactive pellets into electricity, much like missions that are currently exploring space, like Cassini and Mars rover Curiosity.

news.discovery.com

The Kracken Mare is the best name ever for a probe.

RBS

52 retired cynic  Feb 16, 2015 12:09:51pm

re: #51 RealityBasedSteve

My first thought was that it must be the Onion!

53 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Feb 16, 2015 12:11:34pm

re: #21 The Vicious Babushka

If dickwad had the crudest knowledge of history he would know a lot of dead tyrants felt the same exact way as he does.

54 TedStriker  Feb 16, 2015 12:12:57pm

re: #51 RealityBasedSteve

NASA is looking at sending a submarine to the seas of Titan.

news.discovery.com

The Kracken Mare is the best name ever for a probe.

RBS

Kracken Mare is the name of the sea on Titan that NASA wants to explore.

55 Justanotherhuman  Feb 16, 2015 12:15:19pm

re: #47 A Cranky One

Do it quick. Don’t want to have angry birds ;)

The Angry Birds are on the Munchkin’s bed. : )

56 Romantic Heretic  Feb 16, 2015 12:15:43pm

Well, as True Americans™ the chickenhawk Republicans know that they are above the rules. Dying is what the enemy do for the American God protects its Holy Warriors.

Beware when you battle monsters,
lest you become a monster.
And as you gaze into the abyss,
the abyss gazes also,
into you.

57 Khal Wimpo  Feb 16, 2015 12:16:09pm

Meanwhile, as part of the continuing GOP outreach to minorities campaign,

Republican Mississippi state Rep. Gene Alday asserted on Monday that he had been taken out of context by a local paper that published his remarks saying that “all the blacks” in his district get “welfare crazy checks” because they do not work.

(snip)
He said that he once needed to go to the emergency room and “liked to died” because African-Americans were in line in front of him.

“I laid in there for hours because they (blacks) were in there being treated for gunshots,” the former police chief reportedly said.

I begin to understand the object to Obamacare. The old racist shitbags are afraid if blah people get insurance, there won’t be any doctors available to jump to attention the second their fat asses trundle into the emergency room for heart problems related to a diet of sugar, grease & hatred.

58 BadExampleMan  Feb 16, 2015 12:19:32pm

re: #42 Charles Johnson

raving antisemite Israel Shamir

Would love to know his story.

59 Justanotherhuman  Feb 16, 2015 12:19:43pm

re: #57 Khal Wimpo

Meanwhile, as part of the continuing GOP outreach to minorities campaign,

I begin to understand the object to Obamacare. The old racist shitbags are afraid if blah people get insurance, there won’t be any doctors available to jump to attention the second their fat asses trundle into the emergency room for heart problems related to a diet of sugar, grease & hatred.

The asshole obviously doesn’t know the meaning of “triage”, either.

And if he really cared, he’d encourage more of his district to sign up for ACA and ensuring more hospitals were built.

60 Justanotherhuman  Feb 16, 2015 12:21:04pm

The good people will win.

61 Dr Lizardo  Feb 16, 2015 12:21:13pm

re: #58 BadExampleMan

Would love to know his story.

Heh…..the first time I saw that, I thought it said ‘Yitzhak Shamir’ and I was all like WTF?!

62 allegro  Feb 16, 2015 12:21:38pm

re: #59 Justanotherhuman

The asshole obviously doesn’t know the meaning of “triage”, either.

And if he really cared, he’d encourage more of his district to sign up for ACA and ensuring more hospitals were built.

And fewer people in the emergency rooms since they can go to a doctor when they get sick.

63 Romantic Heretic  Feb 16, 2015 12:22:12pm

re: #21 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY.
It never occurs to them that some of the guys might be in both pictures.

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Demonstrating yet again how much they resemble their fascist philosophical ancestors. Those people thought that the ‘liberal democracies’ and ‘communist enemies’ were weak and effete as well. “We need only kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down.”

Where are those nations now?

64 The Mountain That Blogs  Feb 16, 2015 12:23:36pm

re: #57 Khal Wimpo

how dare the people with gunshot wounds get treated before me

65 Romantic Heretic  Feb 16, 2015 12:24:22pm

re: #23 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss

I really wish I could just dismiss this as empty bluster, but this is just another example in the trend of wingnuts declaring existential threats that have to be dealt with by setting aside all ethical conventions.

Since we’re standing closer that lack of ethics will affect us first. Can’t allow no dissent during a war, of course.

They should just say, “We want power and we’ll do anything to get it. Anything.

66 Justanotherhuman  Feb 16, 2015 12:24:31pm

In addition to all their others woes…

West Virginia health officials urging WV American Water customers in Montgomery to conserve water after a train carrying crude oil derailed - @wvpublicnews
read more on wvpublic.org

67 WhatEVs  Feb 16, 2015 12:25:27pm

Completely off topic.

*** This is a public service announcement. ***

If you love your pet, do not give them anything with the Greenies brand. That shit is bad news.

I bought some Greenies bones for my kids and all of them got sick as shit. My one lab mix spent all night expelling everything in his body (orally and anally), and all the other kids have the runs like mad. I didn’t think to check if this stuff was safe (they sell it at the vet, for crying out loud), but there is nothing but bad news all around…even the pill pockets (wrap a pill in a bit of cheese and no problem).

My kids are still sick and I am kinda freaking out. The lab is better but the little dogs are not in good shape. I may wind up taking them all to the vet if this doesn’t get better in a day or two. They all have the runs (but thankfully, none have expelled any blood, which appears to be a biggie with a lot of folks who gave their pets Greenies).

68 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 16, 2015 12:25:38pm

re: #57 Khal Wimpo

Meanwhile, as part of the continuing GOP outreach to minorities campaign,

I begin to understand the object to Obamacare. The old racist shitbags are afraid if blah people get insurance, there won’t be any doctors available to jump to attention the second their fat asses trundle into the emergency room for heart problems related to a diet of sugar, grease & hatred.

“welfare crazy checks”?

There goes the next GOP VP candidate

69 Charles Johnson  Feb 16, 2015 12:25:46pm

re: #58 BadExampleMan

He’s a Holocaust denier and Putin apologist, and one of Wikileaks’ prime spokesmen in Russia. And that’s just for starters. The guy has been highly active in antisemitic circles for many years.

70 WhatEVs  Feb 16, 2015 12:26:14pm

re: #64 The Mountain That Blogs

how dare the people with gunshot wounds get treated before me

Don’t they know I have a tummy ache!

71 Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 16, 2015 12:26:38pm

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

If you eliminate the rules, you do so for both sides.

The counter argument is that the other side already threw out the rulebook (and they arguably did).

The laws of land warfare generally existed to promote enlightened self interest: You don’t want your people civilians and prisoners being abused, so you agree not to do the same to the other side.

When you have a combatant that is ideologically opposed to any sort of accomodation to the usual norms of armed conduct, you really do run into a problem, and in my view the folks in the Hague et al have not really thought this out.

What to do when you are faced with an enemy that buthers every peron they take prisoner? Can you really blame a uniformed force if they refuse to take prisoners in return…knowing that they would not be given the same accord? How can you expect soldiers to give quarter after seeing their own comrades burned alive or beheaded on video the week before?

There is ample precedent in American history, particularly in the southern campaign of the Revolution when Americans started butchering British soldiers who tryed to surrender after British dragoon officer Bannistre Tarleton had executed American prisoners previously (and made sure we knew about it.)

In my view, some degree of reciprocity becomes inevitable and would have to be overlooked.

72 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 16, 2015 12:26:56pm

re: #66 Justanotherhuman

In addition to all their others woes…

West Virginia health officials urging WV American Water customers in Montgomery to conserve water after a train carrying crude oil derailed - @wvpublicnews
read more on wvpublic.org

Sounds like more people causing problems for oil companies. //

73 RealityBasedSteve  Feb 16, 2015 12:27:00pm

re: #54 TedStriker

Kracken Mare is the name of the sea on Titan that NASA wants to explore.

I’ll just be standing over here in the corner with the big cone shaped hat on that says DUNCE.

RBS

74 Khal Wimpo  Feb 16, 2015 12:27:52pm

re: #64 The Mountain That Blogs

how dare the people with gunshot wounds get treated before me

I am increasingly convinced that the entire libertarian/RWNJ philosophy boils down to a 3-year-old in his high chair, face purple, fists balled up in rage, throwing his plate against the wall because his mac&cheese wasn’t brought to him quite quickly enough.

75 Justanotherhuman  Feb 16, 2015 12:29:01pm

re: #67 WhatEVs

So sorry. I know you’re watching them carefully, but insist your vet stop carrying this brand, or change vets.

76 Romantic Heretic  Feb 16, 2015 12:29:02pm

re: #26 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

This exact meme went around as each of the 11 Confederate states seceded from the Union.

“An amateur studies tactics. An expert, logistics.” Helmuth von Moltke the Elder

77 Khal Wimpo  Feb 16, 2015 12:29:52pm

re: #70 WhatEVs

Don’t they know I have a tummy ache!

The thing that really alarmed me was reading that he was a “former chief of police.” That phrase right there, if you squint at it hard enough, you can see this jowly fatass swaggering around behind his badge and locking up anyone darker than a paper bag, just because he felt like it.

78 WhatEVs  Feb 16, 2015 12:30:01pm

re: #75 Justanotherhuman

So sorry. I know you’re watching them carefully, but insist your vet stop carrying this brand, or change vets.

Good idea. I am going to do just that.

79 CuriousLurker  Feb 16, 2015 12:30:50pm

re: #42 Charles Johnson

Putting this here just to make sure people see it:

[Embedded content]

Unz Review is a noxious white supremacist site that tries to masquerade as “alternative news,” by paying for syndicated columns from non-racists like Gustavo Arellano and mixing them in with articles from outright white supremacists like Jared Taylor, Steve Sailer, Sam Francis and John Derbyshire.

Another frequent contributor is raving antisemite Israel Shamir. These are Chuck’s sources.

Ewww. I just checked out the site. Steve Sailer seems popular there. I also recognized several other names: John Derbyshire, Pat Buchanan, Ron Paul, Israel Shamir… Oh look, Jared Taylor too.

Excuse me while I go look for my bottle of brain bleach…

80 ObserverArt  Feb 16, 2015 12:33:15pm

So, who considers this crackpot a frontrunner?

Oh, I see Huffpost Pollster…in a poll that hasn’t been updated for 16 days and contains Mitt Romney as the leading candidate, and he is not even going to run.

WTF???

81 Justanotherhuman  Feb 16, 2015 12:33:15pm

‘IT’S MY PARTY’ SINGER-SONGWRITER LESLEY GORE DIES AT 68

hosted.ap.org

Sorry about the yelling—that’s AP. She had cancer and her partner announced her death.

82 BadExampleMan  Feb 16, 2015 12:33:20pm

re: #69 Charles Johnson

But is that a nom de plume or, poor guy, the name his mama gave him? And if he picked it for himself, wtf?

83 RealityBasedSteve  Feb 16, 2015 12:33:24pm

re: #57 Khal Wimpo

Meanwhile, as part of the continuing GOP outreach to minorities campaign,

I begin to understand the object to Obamacare. The old racist shitbags are afraid if blah people get insurance, there won’t be any doctors available to jump to attention the second their fat asses trundle into the emergency room for heart problems related to a diet of sugar, grease & hatred.

The new GOP motto: Go White and Go Right!

RBS

84 CuriousLurker  Feb 16, 2015 12:34:02pm

re: #79 CuriousLurker

Ewww. I just checked out the site. Steve Sailer seems popular there. I also recognized several other names: John Derbyshire, Pat Buchanan, Ron Paul, Israel Shamir… Oh look, Jared Taylor too.

Excuse me while I go look for my bottle of brain bleach…

Duh, I didn’t realize Charles had already mentioned most of those guys. Well, I’ll leave it anyway in someone who doesn’t know them is reading. Hadn’t heard of Sam Francis before—gonna go look him up. *grimace*

85 Khal Wimpo  Feb 16, 2015 12:34:14pm

re: #68 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

“welfare crazy checks”?

There goes the next GOP VP candidate

It is a very short hop from that sentence to all the fulminating against the “47%” and the “takers” that was part of RWNJ orthodoxy, until they suddenly noticed that anger over increasing wealth concentration was starting to become a problem for 2016 and beyond.

It’ll be interesting to see how the GOP candidates sashay down the razor edge for the next 18 months of bashing Teh Poors enough to satisfy the Kochs/Adelson/Frieze, while not totally painting themselves as Romneyesque dickcheeses.

86 Targetpractice  Feb 16, 2015 12:36:48pm

re: #80 ObserverArt

So, who considers this crackpot a frontrunner?

Oh, I see Huffpost Pollster…in a poll that hasn’t been updated for 16 days and contains Mitt Romney as the leading candidate, and he is not even going to run.

WTF???

Was just reading a poll earlier that has Huck edging out Jeb and Walker in Iowa. So the GOP’s current leaders apparently all have the same characteristics: bland and non-threatening.

87 Romantic Heretic  Feb 16, 2015 12:38:39pm

re: #71 Aunty Entity Dragon

The counter argument is that the other side already threw out the rulebook (and they arguably did).

The laws of land warfare generally existed to promote enlightened self interest: You don’t want your people civilians and prisoners being abused, so you agree not to do the same to the other side.

When you have a combatant that is ideologically opposed to any sort of accomodation to the usual norms of armed conduct, you really do run into a problem, and in my view the folks in the Hague et al have not rwlaly thought this out. What to do when you are faced with an enemy that buthers every peron they take prisoner? Can you really blame a uniformed force if they refuse to take prisoners in return…knowing that they would not be given the same accord? How can you expect soldiers to give quarter after seeing their own comrades burned alive or beheaded on video the week before?

There is ample precedent in American history, particularly in the southern campaign of the Revolution when Americans started butchering British soldiers who tryed to surrender after Bitish dragoon officer Bannistre Tarleton had executed American risoners previously (and made sure we knew about it.)

In my view, some degree of reciprocity becomes inevitable and would have to be overlooked.

Um, really? They’re complete monsters and that makes it okay for us to be monsters.

The problem is that even if you win, you lose. You’ve become the thing you hate and when the war is over there’s no guarantee that the restraints you voluntarily gave up will return.

We’re supposed to be better than that. Nobody said being good was easy.

88 allegro  Feb 16, 2015 12:40:14pm

re: #67 WhatEVs

I lost my precious Sheltie in late 2006 from (expensive) commercial food poisoned with Chinese gluten. My spaniel got very sick as well. I don’t trust ANY commercial pet food or treat products. I also ignore those who tease me about spoiling my dogs by giving them only home cooked food since. They can roll their damn eyes all they want.

89 nines09  Feb 16, 2015 12:43:06pm

What’s next? The plus side of Genocide?

90 CuriousLurker  Feb 16, 2015 12:45:26pm

re: #87 Romantic Heretic

Um, really? They’re complete monsters and that makes it okay for us to be monsters.

The problem is that even if you win, you lose. You’ve become the thing you hate and when the war is over there’s no guarantee that the restraints you voluntarily gave up will return.

We’re supposed to be better than that. Nobody said being good was easy.

THIS. I’d rather we not have the reputation as Daesh. It’s bad enough that we’ve already had Abu Graib, Gitmo, extraordinary rendition. etc. If we start behaving like Daesh we’ve lost ourselves and that shit will follow us around forever—what happens when the next war comes along?

91 Charles Johnson  Feb 16, 2015 12:48:09pm

We don’t need to abandon the Geneva Conventions to defeat ISIS.

92 Justanotherhuman  Feb 16, 2015 12:50:37pm

Finally! Snow! And my avian friends are grateful for the filled feeder, milling around to get their turn. : )

93 Kragar  Feb 16, 2015 12:51:01pm

re: #91 Charles Johnson

We don’t need to abandon the Geneva Conventions to defeat ISIS.

Anyone who think American servicemen are eager to commit war crimes doesn’t have a very high opinion of our troops

94 TedStriker  Feb 16, 2015 12:52:25pm

re: #71 Aunty Entity Dragon

No…just no.

The iron hand crush’d the Tyrant’s head
And became a Tyrant in his stead.
— William Blake, “The Grey Monk.”

95 Charles Johnson  Feb 16, 2015 12:53:17pm

I thought the name “Unz” sounded familiar - Unz Review was founded by Ron Unz, who ran unsuccessfully for the GOP nomination for CA governor in 1994. He claims to have an IQ of 214, which explains Chuck Johnson’s attraction to his toxic website.

96 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss  Feb 16, 2015 12:53:51pm

re: #91 Charles Johnson

We don’t need to abandon the Geneva Conventions to defeat ISIS.

The concept that the Geneva Convention is “politically correct”—either you’re a buffoon or a monster to say that.

97 BeachDem  Feb 16, 2015 12:54:12pm

re: #81 Justanotherhuman

‘IT’S MY PARTY’ SINGER-SONGWRITER LESLEY GORE DIES AT 68

hosted.ap.org

Sorry about the yelling—that’s AP. She had cancer and her partner announced her death.

She was so much a part of my teen years, I am really sad. She stayed relevant to the end—the 2012 political version of “You Don’t Own Me”

…

98 Charles Johnson  Feb 16, 2015 12:56:34pm
99 Justanotherhuman  Feb 16, 2015 12:57:26pm

re: #95 Charles Johnson

I thought the name “Unz” sounded familiar - Unz Review was founded by Ron Unz, who ran unsuccessfully for the GOP nomination for CA governor in 1994. He claims to have an IQ of 214, which explains Chuck Johnson’s attraction to his toxic website.

That’s the thing about those who take high IQs too seriously. An elevated sense of themselves, and when they don’t succeed at their projects, try to get revenge, if it’s just writing about their own biases. The “I’m so superior to you” attitude, even when they can’t remember to change their damned underwear.

100 Charles Johnson  Feb 16, 2015 12:57:41pm

Unbelievable! He’s actually charging people to send him story tips.

101 RealityBasedSteve  Feb 16, 2015 12:59:11pm

Or is it just a straight up “Tip Jar”? It wouldn’t surprise me one way or the other. Grifters gotta grift.

RBS

102 WhatEVs  Feb 16, 2015 12:59:26pm

re: #88 allegro

I lost my precious Sheltie in late 2006 from (expensive) commercial food poisoned with Chinese gluten. My spaniel got very sick as well. I don’t trust ANY commercial pet food or treat products. I also ignore those who tease me about spoiling my dogs by giving them only home cooked food since. They can roll their damn eyes all they want.

Damn right. I only buy Canadian made dog food (I have six dogs), which is easy to do living up here in Canada. Thus far, we’ve been spared. Thankfully, the Free Market (to maim and kill) hasn’t come up here.

If I still lived in the States, I would be doing exactly what you are doing.

If dogs were to be poisoned up here from dog food, they would all go on BARF (Bones and Raw Food), cost be damned. I used to keep my two dogs on that diet and did so for years (an Irish setter and a basset hound). People would give me crazy looks for giving my dogs raw chicken necks and stuff. I had to pull out the books [written by a veterinarian] showing how beneficial it was for them more than once. If people started losing their beloved animals up here, I wouldn’t care how many dogs I have, they would get nothing but food that I could eat.

I am so very sorry for your loss. My heart aches just thinking about what you went through.

103 Charles Johnson  Feb 16, 2015 1:00:01pm
Submission Fee*
Price: $0.99
What! You’re charging me?

As you can imagine, GotNews has many detractors that are constantly attempting to fill our communication channels with intimidating messages and false claims.

By charging a 99¢ fee to submit news, GotNews will eliminate a huge amount of spam and troll communication, and in a small way, you are supporting a good cause.

104 Mattand  Feb 16, 2015 1:00:29pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

Unbelievable! He’s actually charging people to send him story tips.

I should be surprised by this, but I’m not. Kinda like the racist, tea bag* version of small publishers charging authors to print their books.

*It just occurred to me that calling a tea bagger a racist is, for the most part, like describing water as wet.

105 Kragar  Feb 16, 2015 1:01:14pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

Unbelievable! He’s actually charging people to send him story tips.

106 Mattand  Feb 16, 2015 1:02:48pm

re: #103 Charles Johnson

By charging a 99¢ fee to submit news, GotNews will eliminate a huge amount of spam and troll communication, and in a small way, you are supporting a good cause.

…

And yes, I’m aware that the fictional JJJ is a more superior, ethical journalist than CCJ; Spider-Man obsession not withstanding.

107 ObserverArt  Feb 16, 2015 1:03:17pm

re: #85 Khal Wimpo

It is a very short hop from that sentence to all the fulminating against the “47%” and the “takers” that was part of RWNJ orthodoxy, until they suddenly noticed that anger over increasing wealth concentration was starting to become a problem for 2016 and beyond.

It’ll be interesting to see how the GOP candidates sashay down the razor edge for the next 18 months of bashing Teh Poors enough to satisfy the Kochs/Adelson/Frieze, while not totally painting themselves as Romneyesque dickcheeses.

Good luck with that.

I have a feeling more and more people are catching on to the fact.

Just checked RealClearPolitics average ratings for congressional approval based on 6 different polls taken from 1/14 to 2/10 and it stands at 72.5% disapproval, 17% approval.

I just don’t get it. Republicans are polling around 65% disapproval, 23% approval and 12% unsure (pollingreport.com).

Hopefully people wise the hell up by October 2016.

I know many aren’t thrilled with Hillary…but damn if I am going to vote for any Republican with the nonsense they pull all the time.

108 RealityBasedSteve  Feb 16, 2015 1:03:18pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

Unbelievable! He’s actually charging people to send him story tips.

I did take a look at it… it’s true… he’s charging 99 cents for each tip…

What! You’re charging me?

As you can imagine, GotNews has many detractors that are constantly attempting to fill our communication channels with intimidating messages and false claims.

By charging a 99¢ fee to submit news, GotNews will eliminate a huge amount of spam and troll communication, and in a small way, you are supporting a good cause.

Heck… 99 cents isn’t much, I may have to come up with something fat and juicy for him.

RBS
EDIT: And I realise that I’m behind the timeline by a good 3 minutes. My only excuse, I’m watching Breaking Bad…

109 TedStriker  Feb 16, 2015 1:04:51pm

re: #93 Kragar

Anyone who think American servicemen are eager to commit war crimes doesn’t have a very high opinion of our troops

No one is saying that they (or any other modern Western armed forces) are, at least, not here that I can see.

However, there are those with a certain, shall we say, moral flexibility, who either didn’t get flagged for possible outward signs before going into combat or broke bad once they got into combat. When folks like that get into command positions, such as our dear friend Allen West, the chances that they’re gonna let bad shit slide, just as long as the troops under them “get the job done”, greatly increase; that’s on top of what happens because of peer pressure amongst the NCOs and enlisted in battle or on patrol.

I’ve never served, but human nature is a constant, no matter who you are; good people can sometimes do bad things, but, more often than not, a lot a bad things are done or are enabled by bad people; if not nipped in the bud (and any incidents prosecuted harshly), that shit can spread like a cancer.

I suspect you, as a former Marine (IIRC), know that already.

110 nearly-headless smith25  Feb 16, 2015 1:05:00pm

Chili outside

About to be Chili Inside

111 BeachDem  Feb 16, 2015 1:05:38pm

re: #103 Charles Johnson

As Michele (one el) Bachmann would say, “That’s “TCHOOTS-pah”

112 Justanotherhuman  Feb 16, 2015 1:06:33pm

re: #110 nearly-headless smith25

Mine is simmering on the range. : )

And now—just sleeting. Crap. 26 deg. This means it’s going to be a zoo tomorrow for traffic and I’m not driving on icy roads. They’ll probably call off school or delay it a couple of hours.

113 ObserverArt  Feb 16, 2015 1:07:32pm

re: #93 Kragar

Anyone who think American servicemen are eager to commit war crimes doesn’t have a very high opinion of our troops

Got that right. But then these same people don’t have a very high opinion of anyone outside their own narrow, screwed up thinking.

And I always wonder. How many fashion themselves as Christians at the same time?

114 TedStriker  Feb 16, 2015 1:07:43pm

re: #110 nearly-headless smith25

Chili outside

About to be Chili Inside

Embedded Image

NOM NOM NOM

115 #FergusonFireside  Feb 16, 2015 1:09:07pm

re: #110 nearly-headless smith25

Chili outside

About to be Chili Inside

Embedded Image

That Gator spice looks good!

116 nearly-headless smith25  Feb 16, 2015 1:11:24pm

Trying a different combo of ingredients. Trading in a shot and a half of Knob Creek for about the same amount of Merlot. Got some grass fed beef for this pot as well.

117 ObserverArt  Feb 16, 2015 1:11:57pm

re: #98 Charles Johnson

Chuck wants people to *pay* him when they submit tips. Always, inevitably, the grift.

His site is like an anti-social network. A place for those with no self esteem to find some other knuckleheads to associate with and get their hate on.

118 Targetpractice  Feb 16, 2015 1:13:08pm

So Chucky is charging $.99 to submit a news tip…is he gonna cut the submitter of any tips he turns into stories in on the ad revenue?

119 Justanotherhuman  Feb 16, 2015 1:14:49pm

Listen up, Rs:

Poll: 78% of Americans say Congress should authorize President Obama to fight Islamic State - @CNN
read more on cnn.com

120 William Barnett-Lewis  Feb 16, 2015 1:16:14pm

re: #107 ObserverArt

I know many aren’t thrilled with Hillary…but damn if I am going to vote for any Republican with the nonsense they pull all the time.

Oh, I’ll vote for her if I have to. I’d vote for M’lord Cthulhu and ask for the great blessing - to be eaten first (!) - before I’d vote for any Republican I know today. I just hope I get to vote for at least a slightly left of center candidate instead one of these decades. I am so tired of corporate owned blue dog democrats being passed off as especially liberal in anything other than certain very narrow social issues which differ by which blue dog you’re looking at.

(Worst part is I do remember good & decent Republicans up here in Wisconsin: Lee Sherman Drefus & Steve Gunderson for example. Neither could get elected now… )

121 Justanotherhuman  Feb 16, 2015 1:16:15pm

Police: More than 160 Boko Haram suspects arrested in Niger - @AFP

news.yahoo.com

122 Charles Johnson  Feb 16, 2015 1:19:53pm
123 #FergusonFireside  Feb 16, 2015 1:21:23pm

Russell Brand nails this.

124 Justanotherhuman  Feb 16, 2015 1:21:32pm

And when Upchuck gets those email addresses, he’ll be constantly barraging them for money, in addition to selling them to the highest bidder.

125 urbanmeemaw  Feb 16, 2015 1:22:35pm

re: #81 Justanotherhuman

‘IT’S MY PARTY’ SINGER-SONGWRITER LESLEY GORE DIES AT 68

hosted.ap.org

Sorry about the yelling—that’s AP. She had cancer and her partner announced her death.

So sorry to hear that. She was a class act and gifted writer/singer. And I loved that movie Grace of My Heart with Ileana Douglas.

126 WhatEVs  Feb 16, 2015 1:24:48pm

re: #119 Justanotherhuman

Listen up, Rs:

Poll: 78% of Americans say Congress should authorize President Obama to fight Islamic State - @CNN
read more on cnn.com

I can’t fathom that the R’s are going to let DHS go unfunded. I wonder what the percentage of Americans is that think that’s a good idea.

WTF is wrong with these people?

127 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 16, 2015 1:27:01pm

re: #118 Targetpractice

So Chucky is charging $.99 to submit a news tip…is he gonna cut the submitter of any tips he turns into stories in on the ad revenue?

That’s his best offer. Tomorrow it will cost eleventy dollars to send Chucky a tip. //

128 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss  Feb 16, 2015 1:27:03pm

re: #123 #FergusonFireside

Russell Brand nails this.

I find Russell Brand annoying, but the man has a point. Gets a bit dodgy after five minutes, but still surprisingly solid.

129 Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 16, 2015 1:28:39pm

re: #87 Romantic Heretic

Um, really? They’re complete monsters and that makes it okay for us to be monsters.

The problem is that even if you win, you lose. You’ve become the thing you hate and when the war is over there’s no guarantee that the restraints you voluntarily gave up will return.

War is a monstrous act.

Period. You cannot varnish it or gloss it.

Dresden? Hamburg? The Tokyo air raid?

Check out some of the interviews from WW II vets in the Pacific who performed field executions on Japanese prisoners in Borneo and elsewhere.

That is the nature of this particular beast. It doesn’t make those men monsters. It simply confirms the nature of their circumstance.

When confronted by an enemy who has no boundary of conduct, you will inevitably move towards response in kind, and it defies human nature to expect some other result. (feel free to cite any number of quotes from the Judge in Blood Meridian on the nature of war here…)

I have 3,000 years of recorded history to cite from on this.

You needn’t encourage barbarity on your own side to still understand that fighting men are still men, with all that entails, and they will be driven to respond in kind when their enemy does something like what Daesh has been up to.

Sorry, but I would likely not be going out of my way to take prisoners if I were still in 3/7 Cav and expecting to go to deal with Daesh in Iraq. That may well be a serious moral flaw in my fabric and I freely admit it. It is simply my view as a former soldier that you reap what you sow. If you engage in mass murder of civilians and POW’s, I would not be merciful in return if I happened to be on the other side of the M-60.

130 CuriousLurker  Feb 16, 2015 1:31:17pm

re: #119 Justanotherhuman

Listen up, Rs:

Poll: 78% of Americans say Congress should authorize President Obama to fight Islamic State - @CNN
read more on cnn.com

Then there’s this: Study: 27% of Americans say ISIL represents true Islam

Granted the study was done by a Christian outfit (a division of LifeWay Christian Resources, but still sheesh.

It shoots up to 45% when they ask Protestant pastors.

That’s WAY beyond fucked up. Bigots.

131 #FergusonFireside  Feb 16, 2015 1:32:26pm

re: #128 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss

I find Russell Brand annoying, but the man has a point. Gets a bit dodgy after five minutes, but still surprisingly solid.

The Bill O’Reilly cut ins were good.

132 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 16, 2015 1:33:48pm

re: #129 Aunty Entity Dragon

It’s really interesting to read this in light of your opinions about how we should be asking for higher standards for police behavior (which I do agree with).

In one case, the perils of the job make barbaric behavior something that should be overlooked, but not the other. (And yes, I freely acknowledge this is not an apples to apples comparison by any means, just something that jumped out at me.)

133 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 16, 2015 1:34:05pm

it’s my party and i’ll cry if i want to

unfortunately these days this describes teabaggers more than anything else

134 Kragar  Feb 16, 2015 1:34:10pm
135 b_sharp  Feb 16, 2015 1:34:55pm

re: #129 Aunty Entity Dragon

War is a monstrous act.

Period. You cannot varnish it or gloss it.

Dresden? Hamburg? The Tokyo air raid?

Check out some of the interviews from WW II vets in the Pacific who performed field executions on Japanese prisoners in Borneo and elsewhere.

That is the nature of this particular beast. It doesn’t make those men monsters. It simply confirms the nature of their circumstance.

When confronted by an enemy who has no boundary of conduct, you will inevitably move towards response in kind, and it defies human nature to expect some other result. (feel free to cite any number of quotes from the Judge in Blood Meridian on the nature of war here…)

When confronted by an enemy who has no boundary of conduct, you will inevitably move towards response in kind, and it defies human nature to expect otherwise.

I have 3,000 years of recorded history to cite from on this.

You needn’t encourage barbarity on your own side to still understand that fighting men are still men, with all that entails, and they will be driven to respond in kind when their enemy does something like what Daesh has been up to.

Sorry, but I would likely not be going out of my way to take prisoners if I were still in 3/7 Cav and expecting to go to deal with Daesh in Iraq. That may well be a serious moral flaw in my fabric and I freely admit it. It is simply my view as a former soldier that you reap what you sow. If you engage in mass murder of civilians and POW’s, I would not be mericiful in return if I happened to be on the other side of the M-60.

Are we talking about battlefield barbarities or the likelihood of civilian deaths given the level of technology that can be brought to bear on Daesh? Sounds to me like Carson is talking about using advanced weapons that don’t differentiate between civilian and combatant.

That’s what my concern would be. I certainly wouldn’t condone burning people in a cage either.

136 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 16, 2015 1:34:56pm

re: #130 CuriousLurker

27% of Americans

the Moron Percentage strikes again

137 teleskiguy  Feb 16, 2015 1:36:56pm
138 Justanotherhuman  Feb 16, 2015 1:37:52pm

re: #130 CuriousLurker

There is something else going on with ISIL. I heard that the narrative on that recent video of the assassination of 21 Coptic Christians was by a native speaker of English, although I didn’t get any further details on that. There is also the issue we’ve seen here, of both Europeans, Americans and others joining ISIS, with a corresponding rise in the same types fighting them.

I think more of ISIS as extremists with an agenda, nothing of which has to really to do with ordinary Muslims. The fact that they murder with no compunction and publish videos doing it, is really beyond the pale of what any army or govt would do. There is no “Islamic State” except in the cruel delusions of those who pronounce it so.

139 William Barnett-Lewis  Feb 16, 2015 1:38:05pm

re: #129 Aunty Entity Dragon

I gave my priest an interesting moment the other day when I said that my greatest failing as a christian was that I was not a pacifist.

If I were still in Uncle’s green, I’m not sure how I’d behave when confronted by these people. I can remember the story of my ex-wife’s uncle talking of watching SS troops march past during the Bulge and how if they’d seen he was breathing, he’d have been dead. But he could see the hobnail boots hit the snow inches from his nose. The flip side was when he fought Wehrmacht troops in Italy and they were not really any different than the US Army.

It’s never easy and the enemy does determine much of how we respond. Had I fought the red army in the WWIII I expected it wouldn’t have mattered much. 5 ~ 10 T-64s or 72’s and we’d have been over run.

But there? The soldiers have as much of an impact as the politicians in how we react. Our military is so burned out after 14 years of useless war fighting that I don’t know how they’d react to yet another war and this one against barbarians that make the talibs of Afghanistan look civilized.

Damned if you do. Damned if you don’t.

140 austin_blue  Feb 16, 2015 1:40:46pm

re: #126 WhatEVs

I can’t fathom that the R’s are going to let DHS go unfunded. I wonder what the percentage of Americans is that think that’s a good idea.

WTF is wrong with these people?

They insist on Purity of Thought, Word, and Deed.

141 Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 16, 2015 1:41:08pm

re: #132 klys (maker of Silmarils)

It’s really interesting to read this in light of your opinions about how we should be asking for higher standards for police behavior (which I do agree with).

In one case, the perils of the job make barbaric behavior something that should be overlooked, but not the other. (And yes, I freely acknowledge this is not an apples to apples comparison by any means, just something that jumped out at me.)

Good catch, and I will also confess that I may be in an morally untenable position (at least for consistancy).

Police activities in civil society do have radically different expectations from warfare as you say, and I (again speaking as a former soldier) woul d normally be enthusiatically in favor of strict adherance to the Geneva Conventions with the knowledge that I may depend on them should I be captured.

But how does that apply if I know that my enemy will torture me to death or behead me on video to use as propaganda against my comrades?

How should I treat my enemies if I know that I have to kill myself if they are going to capture me?

I honestly don’t see how soldiers can reasonably be expected to capture and treat their enemies with restraint if they themselves are forced to commit suicide or risk being gruesomely murdered for the world (and their families) to see.

Soldiers are still human…not automatons.

142 urbanmeemaw  Feb 16, 2015 1:41:53pm

OT but thought Ms. Sleuth might want to know:

wbko.com

Bershear declares state wide emergency to deal with winter storms.

143 Justanotherhuman  Feb 16, 2015 1:44:50pm

So, this is how it’s going to be?

West Virginia governor’s office: CSX says no crews injured on train that derailed in Fayette County; train was traveling from North Dakota to Yorktown, Va. - @arothfield
see original on twitter.com

144 teleskiguy  Feb 16, 2015 1:46:55pm

Ah, b_sharp, I see you’re back on teh twitterz. So that’s who’s behind that monkey face!

145 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 16, 2015 1:48:42pm

re: #142 urbanmeemaw

OT but thought Ms. Sleuth might want to know:

wbko.com

Bershear declares state wide emergency to deal with winter storms.

Yep. Heard that.
MrBWS just Skyped me to say they were told to pack a bag for tomorrow morning, but no idea where they will be heading.
Good thing the doctor’s office hasn’t called yet to schedule his biopsy. Fortunately, he’s been feeling in really good shape the last two weeks: no coughing, none of the scary symptoms. So hes looking forward to one good storm trip (and I have a feeling we’ll be needing that extra bit of money down the stretch).

146 Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 16, 2015 1:48:54pm

Anyways, the snow is starting to come down really hard, it is cold as hell outside and I need to find somehting to do with my kid and Significant Other Dragon for the evening. I don’t want to start a major argument tonight. These are simply my observations that (moral justifucations to the contrary), Daesh not only invites but nearly necessitates being treated the very way they treat prisonners with such conduct, and human experience in warfare tends to support this observation.

In any event, I will leave it at that and see about dinner (chili and cornbread) and painting warhammer figures with a movie.

Stay safe tonight for everyone in the storm area!

147 Kragar  Feb 16, 2015 1:49:34pm

re: #146 Aunty Entity Dragon

Anyways, the snow is starting to come down really hard, it is cold as hell outside and I need to find somehting to do with my kid and Significant Other Dragon for the evening. I don’t want to start a major argument tonight. These are simply my observations that (moral justifucations to the contrary), Daesh not only invites but nearly necessitates being treated the very way they treat prisonners with such conduct, and human experience in warfare tends to support this observation.

In any event, I will leave it at that and see about dinner (chili and cornbread) and painting warhammer figures with a movie.

Stay safe tonight for everyone in the storm area!

What army you working on?

148 b_sharp  Feb 16, 2015 1:49:37pm

re: #144 teleskiguy

Ah, b_sharp, I see you’re back on teh twitterz. So that’s who’s behind that monkey face!

You didn’t know?

Actually, that’s why I changed the name back to B_Sharp. People don’t seem to want to know a doubledumasdufus.

149 Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 16, 2015 1:51:46pm

re: #135 b_sharp

Are we talking about battlefield barbarities or the likelihood of civilian deaths given the level of technology that can be brought to bear on Daesh? Sounds to me like Carson is talking about using advanced weapons that don’t differentiate between civilian and combatant.

That’s what my concern would be. I certainly wouldn’t condone burning people in a cage either.

Carson is a brain surgeon who has shown no evidence of having studied either military history, or even any other kind of history. He’s appealing to a bloodthirsty base who see ISIS as “the True Islam” (see post 130), and who yearn to be involved in an existential struggle against an unquestionably evil opponent.

The idea that we want to do everything possible to avoid the kind of confrontation that ISIS actively seeks, where the West is pitted against Islam itself is a concept that his base cannot or will not grasp, and which he either can’t grasp either, or pretends not to to court that base.

They see all war as a game which is won by killing as many of the enemy as possible no matter what the cost in innocent lives (partly because they don’t really see them as innocent), never thinking that the number of the enemy is a direct consequence of our actions. We can increase their numbers by fighting ‘without rules’, or we can decrease them by failing to live down to the worst propaganda image of the US.

This is why we made a coalition with Muslim countries to fly bombing raids on ISIS, even if we’re still doing the bulk of the work - so it wouldn’t just be US against ISIS.

150 teleskiguy  Feb 16, 2015 1:55:31pm

There goes UpChuck again, slandering a murdered person.

151 Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 16, 2015 1:55:33pm

re: #147 Kragar

What army you working on?

Bretonnia tonight. I will be hosting a Warhammer End Times major game in 3 weeks (Battle of Altdorf) where the Empire and Bretonnia face off against the Glottkin and Nurgle assorted hordes. (In the game history, the Empire wins, but Karl Franz is killed and resurrected as the avatar of Sigmar while the city is laid waste. Games Workshop has radically altered the Warhammer Fantasy universe. High Elves, Dark Elves and Wood Elves? All gone. Ulthuan? Gone. The survivers of all 3 are huddled in the Wood Elves old home. The Skaven have overrun half the planet…great time to be a rat now!)

152 Eventual Carrion  Feb 16, 2015 1:57:02pm

re: #118 Targetpractice

So Chucky is charging $.99 to submit a news tip…is he gonna cut the submitter of any tips he turns into stories in on the ad revenue?

No, UpChuck’s news empire is going to be built on a pyramid scheme.

153 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 16, 2015 1:57:31pm

re: #141 Aunty Entity Dragon

Good catch, and I will also confess that I may be in an morally untenable position (at least for consistancy).

Police activities in civil society do have radically different expectations from warfare as you say, and I (again speaking as a former soldier) woul d normally be enthusiatically in favor of strict adherance to the Geneva Conventions with the knowledge that I may depend on them should I be captured.

But how does that apply if I know that my enemy will torture me to death or behead me on video to use as propaganda against my comrades?

How should I treat my enemies if I know that I have to kill myself if they are going to capture me?

I honestly don’t see how soldiers can reasonably be expected to capture and treat their enemies with restraint if they themselves are forced to commit suicide or risk being gruesomely murdered for the world (and their families) to see.

Soldiers are still human…not automatons.

I cannot speak to what individual soldiers might choose to do in those circumstances - as you say, they are human. But I would vehemently oppose any coordinated effort to overlook or undermine the standards that we have in place just because the enemy does it too.

There are some limited circumstances where I could understand looking the other way, in situations where capturing the enemy would result in placing substantially more people at risk. I could understand a decision to shoot to kill instead of disable. But the other extreme - to take someone who has surrendered, who is no longer an immediate threat, and to kill them? That’s wrong. We hold ourselves up to be better than that, even if the reality does not always match the ideal. And that is not something we should sacrifice on the altar of “but the enemy does it too” because that kind of corrupt poison doesn’t go away after the war is done.

That Abu Ghraib happened is in part due to the fact that soldiers are human, as you say. What separates “civilized” countries from fanatics is the fact that people were punished for what happened, an acknowledgement that it was wrong, and a push to make sure it doesn’t happen again. I don’t want that distinction to go away.

154 Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 16, 2015 1:57:45pm

re: #150 teleskiguy

There goes UpChuck again, slandering a murdered person.

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Obviously, being shot by a psychotic white guy means you must have had it coming according to Chuckie…

155 aagcobb  Feb 16, 2015 1:58:55pm

Very, very embarrassed that Carson is associated with my alma mater.

156 Kragar  Feb 16, 2015 2:00:48pm

re: #151 Aunty Entity Dragon

Bretonnia tonight. I will be hosting a Warhammer End Times major game in 3 weeks (Battle of Altdorf) where the Empire and Bretonnia face off against the Glottkin and Nurgle assorted hordes. (In the game history, the Empire wins, but Karl Franz is killed and resurrected as the avatar of Sigmar while the city is laid waste. Games Workshop has radically altered the Warhammer Fantasy universe. High Elves, Dark Elves and Wood Elves? All gone. Ulthuan? Gone. The survivers of all 3 are huddled in the Wood Elves old home. The Skaven have overrun half the planet…great time to be a rat now!)

Its always a good time to be a Skaven.

Rumors abound that they’re going to drop something this summer for 40k. They’re talking Heresy models issued in plastic and Primarchs returning.

157 Targetpractice  Feb 16, 2015 2:00:56pm

re: #150 teleskiguy

There goes UpChuck again, slandering a murdered person.

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“Local charge”? For fuck’s sake, Chucky, those could be parking tickets or speeding tickets for all you know.

158 Ace-o-aces  Feb 16, 2015 2:02:40pm

re: #154 Aunty Entity Dragon

Obviously, being shot by a psychotic white guy means you must have had it coming according to Chuckie…

Oh, god. It’s probably traffic tickets. Actually, I bet these “citations” are related to the parking argument that supposedly started everything.

159 wrenchwench  Feb 16, 2015 2:03:26pm

re: #155 aagcobb

Very, very embarrassed that Carson is associated with my alma mater.

I’m a bit concerned that I was recently worked on by a neurosurgeon.

160 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 16, 2015 2:04:11pm

re: #159 wrenchwench

I’m a bit concerned that I was recently worked on by a neurosurgeon.

Have you felt the need to suddenly start spouting RWNJ talking points and/or conspiracy theories?

If no, you’re probably safe.

161 Charles Johnson  Feb 16, 2015 2:04:38pm

re: #158 Ace-o-aces

Oh, god. It’s probably traffic tickets. Actually, I bet these “citations” are related to the parking argument that supposedly started everything.

Yes, it looks like traffic citations. Typical sleaze from Chuck.

162 Amory Blaine  Feb 16, 2015 2:05:54pm

Governor Dropout fucks the poor again.

Walker declines Medicaid expansion money

The state would stay the course and avoid taking federal money to expand Wisconsin’s health programs for the needy and save the state $241 million, under Gov. Scott Walker’s budget proposal.

Also Monday, the Legislature’s nonpartisan budget office reported that Walker is delaying May debt repayment of $108 million to help balance the state’s shortfall in the current budget ending on June 30.

In 2013, the Republican governor rejected taking federal incentives to expand the state’s Medicaid programs, saying the deal risked entangling the state in exponentially growing future costs.

163 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss  Feb 16, 2015 2:09:10pm

re: #138 Justanotherhuman

There is no “Islamic State” except in the cruel delusions of those who pronounce it so.

It’s a rathole of a discussion with all the theological/cultural elements, but a group like ISIS demonstrates how ideology transforms top-down and bottom-up at the same time.

ISIS is established as a group that’s severe even the standards of takfiris. At some point, that’s going to attract people who want to do the kind of things ISIS does, regardless of the underpinning faith that is used as justification. There’s a feedback loop of transgression and justification of transgression that occurs; it’s not even unique to religious movements. If you can establish an Ultimate End, you justify any Means.

Then there’s the whole other can of worms that is the ultimate attribution error.

164 Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 16, 2015 2:09:30pm

re: #153 klys (maker of Silmarils)

That, of course, is the civilized and correct view. These are things that should not happen.

But circumstance makes them inevitable. When Bannastre Tarelton and the Tory legion cut down American milita who tried to surrender at The Waxhaws, Americans understood that the normal code of conduct was now obsolete and they responded in Kind (Pyle’s Hacking March, among others). Iin fact, they would yell “Tarleton’s Quarters” as they killed British and loyalist troops. Two of my ancestors were at King’s Mountain where the bodies of the dead (including British Major Patrick Ferguson) were defaced or mutilated after Major Ferguson boasted in public he would piss on dead Americans. A number of loyalist troops were summarly executed on flimsy charges after the battle.

This is how like begets like. This is how one reaps what is sowed. Defacing the dead was never an American habit. After Ferguson boasted he would defile American bodies, his own corpse was treated according to his words.

Daesh will, in all liklihood, encounter the same scenario.

With that, I will see you all after the snow…

Depressing subject.

165 wrenchwench  Feb 16, 2015 2:11:20pm

re: #162 Amory Blaine

Governor Dropout fucks the poor again.

Walker declines Medicaid expansion money

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If Susana Martinez hadn’t defied the tea partiers to do the opposite in New Mexico, I don’t know where I’d be right now.

166 urbanmeemaw  Feb 16, 2015 2:13:19pm

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yep. Heard that.
MrBWS just Skyped me to say they were told to pack a bag for tomorrow morning, but no idea where they will be heading.
Good thing the doctor’s office hasn’t called yet to schedule his biopsy. Fortunately, he’s been feeling in really good shape the last two weeks: no coughing, none of the scary symptoms. So hes looking forward to one good storm trip (and I have a feeling we’ll be needing that extra bit of money down the stretch).

I figured you probably knew already. You’re always 3 steps ahead! Just wanted to let you know. Glad to hear Mr. Sleuth is feeling well and hope he has a safe sojourn wherever he is!

167 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 16, 2015 2:17:38pm

re: #164 Aunty Entity Dragon

That, of course, is the civilized and correct view. These are things that should not happen.

But circumstance makes them inevitable. When Bannastre Tarelton and the Tory legion cut down American milita who tried to surrender at The Waxhaws, Americans understood that the normal code of conduct was now obsolete and they responded in Kind (Pyle’s Hacking March, among others). Iin fact, they would yell “Tarleton’s Quarters” as they killed British and loyalist troops. Two of my ancestrs were at King’s Mountain were the bodies of the dead (including British Major Patick Ferguson) were defaced or mutilated after Major Fergusen boasted in public he would piss on dead Americans. A number of loyalist troops were summarly executed on flimsy charges after the battle.

This is how like begets like. This is how one reaps what is sowed. Defacing the dead was never an American habit. After Ferguson beoasted he would defile American bodies, his own corpse was treated according to his words.

Daesh will, in all liklihood, encounter the same scenario.

With that, I will see you all after the snow…

Depressing subject.

Sorry, but I disagree with that as a complete and utter cop-out.

We don’t claim that the circumstances will inevitably lead to that when dealing with police brutality. Or domestic violence. Or any of the other bullshit that humans do to each other. That isn’t an excuse to stop moving to a better standard. What we do is put in place a system that will deal with people who do not hold to the standard that we know human beings are capable of, even if it is not their first instinct, and we don’t suspend that system just because there are other people out there being assholes.

I do hope you’re enjoying the snow, I’m jealous of that.

168 Justanotherhuman  Feb 16, 2015 2:19:15pm

re: #162 Amory Blaine

2.59 GPA did what?

We always said “PKs”* were the worst yet somehow, their daddy’s ‘respectability” and pull somehow translated to them and opened doors.

*preacher’s kids

169 allegro  Feb 16, 2015 2:26:16pm

re: #162 Amory Blaine

Governor Dropout fucks the poor again.

Walker declines Medicaid expansion money

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Exponentially higher Medicaid costs? Sounds like he’s guaranteeing exponentially higher rates of impoverished citizens under his rule. He’s certainly working on that guarantee.

170 meteor  Feb 16, 2015 2:44:41pm

Dr. Carson, the Geneva Convention on line one for you? Something like “You don’t know what the hell you’re doing”?

171 gocart mozart  Feb 16, 2015 3:16:39pm
According to Carson, US soldiers fear being prosecuted for doing “politically incorrect” things (which apparently means war crimes)
Read more at littlegreenfootballs.com

Is rectal rehydration politically correct or politically incorrect? What about murder? Beheadings? Are conservatives capable of making an argument, ANY ARGUMENT, without throwing out that stupid charge? Accusations of political incorrectness are the first refuge of the intellectually bankrupt.

172 lostlakehiker  Feb 16, 2015 8:36:01pm

Here’s a political prediction site. LinkBen Carson doesn’t even make the list by name.

Does anyone here seriously think that Ben Carson stands a chance of being the Republican nominee in 2015? Maybe somebody has made a case for one percent, but that’s not my definition of a “frontrunner”.

And I put it at well below one percent.

If I’m wrong, and Carson is the Republican nominee, I’ll donate $1000 to LGF.
I’d hope it got put to good use getting his Democratic opponent elected. But the money would not be needed. Carson would get crushed in the general election.

173 John Vreeland  Feb 17, 2015 12:30:56am

And the Dems would be “Please nominate Ben Carson. Please please please.” And whoever will be hosting the Daily Show will be saying the same. Ben “War Crimes = Political Correctness” Carson.

Ben Carson is a man who is ready to take off his gloves and rape war captives like a dark age savage.


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