Ben Carson Whining Furiously About Debate “Gotcha” Questions

He defines “gotcha” questions as anything he has trouble answering
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Ben Carson is upset at CNBC, and he’s asking the other candidates to help him demand that future debates must avoid ‘gotcha’ questions.

“Debates are supposed to be established to help the people get to know the candidate,” Carson said at a news conference before a speech at Colorado Christian University. “What it’s turned into is — gotcha! That’s silly. That’s not helpful to anybody.”

What does Carson consider a “gotcha” question? What got him so upset? CNBC moderator Carl Quintanilla’s question about Carson’s long relationship with a quack nutritional supplement company that claimed their products could cure autism and cancer.

“The questions about Mannatech are definitely gotcha questions,” Carson said. “There’s no truth to them. I know people know how to investigate. They can easily go back and find out I don’t have any formal relations with Mannatech. They can easily find out that any videos I did with them were not paid for, were things I truly believed. That would be easy to do. If they had another agenda, they could investigate and say — see, there’s nothing there! But if they have a gotcha agenda, they conveniently ignore all the facts and try to influence public opinion.”

So the question that got under Carson’s skin was really a question about his ethics and his honesty — which would seem to be perfectly appropriate things to ask a candidate for President of the United States.

And Carson’s denials that he had “formal relations” with Mannatech only serve to drive home the point that he’s not being totally honest about this issue.

As the Wall Street Journal reported earlier this month, Carson’s relationship with the company deepened over time, including “four paid speeches at Mannatech gatherings, most recently one in 2013 for which he was paid $42,000, according to the company.” The company disputes that Carson was a “paid endorser or spokesperson,” according to the Journal, and claims his financial compensation went to charity.

National Review also highlighted Carson’s connections to Mannatech in January and how Carson’s team went to great lengths to distance themselves from the company. Some of his video appearances have been removed from the Internet, but those that remain appear to show a deeper affiliation than Carson claimed during Wednesday’s debate.

In one video for Mannatech last year that remains online, Carson discusses his experiences with nutritional supplements while seated next to the company’s logo. “The wonderful thing about a company like Mannatech is that they recognize that when God made us, He gave us the right fuel,” Carson explained. “And that fuel was the right kind of healthy food … Basically what the company is doing is trying to find a way to restore natural diet as a medicine or as a mechanism for maintaining health.”

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110 comments
1
HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2015 • 11:44:26am

You’re not allowed to ask these guys difficult questions.

2
lawhawk  Oct 29, 2015 • 11:44:36am

Shilling for a snake oil company. That’s the Dr. Ben Carson we’ve come to know and loathe.

Even more loathsome? When Dr. Carson claims he has no relationship with said company, even though there’s a mile-long paper trail.

3
De Kolta Chair  Oct 29, 2015 • 11:45:45am

Something else for li’l Ben to flip out about?

4
iossarian  Oct 29, 2015 • 11:46:14am

How can you get paid to speak and not have a formal relationship?

5
iossarian  Oct 29, 2015 • 11:46:34am

“I did not have sex with that quack supplement vendor.”

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Dr. Matt  Oct 29, 2015 • 11:47:11am

If any presidential candidate uses the term, “gotcha question”, they should be immediately publicly shamed and disqualified.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2015 • 11:48:00am

re: #6 Dr. Matt

If any presidential candidate uses the term, “gotcha question”, they should be immediately publicly shamed and disqualified.

Seriously, it just reeks of “I;m too chickenshit to actually answer difficult questions about myself.”

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b.d.  Oct 29, 2015 • 11:48:33am

All questions in the future should be about how bad Hillary and the Commie Dems are or how we are going to kick (insert country’s name here) ass.

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iossarian  Oct 29, 2015 • 11:50:33am

re: #8 b.d.

All questions in the future should be about how bad Hillary and the Commie Dems are or how we are going to kick (insert country’s name here) ass.

“How high will the wall be?”

“Will it have laser cannons?”

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 29, 2015 • 11:50:44am

But Hillary had to sit through 11 hours of bullshit “gotcha” questions.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 29, 2015 • 11:53:32am

nope…I’m gonna take a nap instead.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 29, 2015 • 11:53:46am

re: #6 Dr. Matt

If any presidential candidate uses the term, “gotcha question”, they should be immediately publicly shamed and disqualified.

Another gift given to us by Sister Sarah.

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darthstar  Oct 29, 2015 • 11:53:47am

If the money he was paid went to charity, surely his tax records would reflect that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 29, 2015 • 11:54:10am

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!

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Dr. Matt  Oct 29, 2015 • 11:54:32am

re: #7 HappyWarrior

Seriously, it just reeks of “I;m too chickenshit to actually answer difficult questions about myself.”

What ever happened to the right’s demand of The Vetting”?

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wrenchwench  Oct 29, 2015 • 11:55:02am

Dr. Carson is a scumbag who doesn’t care who he harms because he thinks God is sending him this work with people who bilk the sick for money.

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iossarian  Oct 29, 2015 • 11:55:03am

re: #13 darthstar

If the money he was paid went to charity, surely his tax records would reflect that.

Or the speaking contract, if they just paid it directly themselves. Either way there’s a record of the transaction somewhere which I’m sure will be forthcoming.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 29, 2015 • 11:55:31am

Ben would love it if Hillary got asked this==>

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lawhawk  Oct 29, 2015 • 11:55:42am

re: #14 Backwoods_Sleuth

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lawhawk  Oct 29, 2015 • 11:56:30am

re: #15 Dr. Matt

What ever happened to the right’s demand of The Vetting”?

It always applies to someone not in the GOP. Silly librul.

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KGxvi  Oct 29, 2015 • 11:56:58am

re: #1 HappyWarrior

The problem is “difficult” is arbitrary and something of a sliding scale. 8 x 6 might be difficult for a second grader and easy for a tenth grader. Where as solve for x in 8x+3 = 10x would be easy for a tenth grader and impossible for a second grader. And since 5/4 of people are bad with fractions, those can be difficult for grown ups. I feel like the same standards would apply with GOP candidates.

Also, if they can’t handle these questions in primary debates, what the utter heavenly fuck are they going to do in a general election debate?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2015 • 11:57:27am

re: #15 Dr. Matt

What ever happened to the right’s demand of The Vetting”?

It’s nice day for a … RIGHT VETTING!

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b.d.  Oct 29, 2015 • 11:58:21am

re: #15 Dr. Matt

What ever happened to the right’s demand of The Vetting”?

They wouldn’t even let Cruz run for President if he were vetted 1/10 as much as President Obama.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 29, 2015 • 11:58:37am

Rand Paul once again shows he has no clue how an actual national economy works==>

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 29, 2015 • 11:59:08am

They should ask questions that any amateur can answer, like “how long is a cubit”?

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 29, 2015 • 11:59:33am

re: #14 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!

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Hang in there, Christie!! Your chances of winning just may increase to 1% from zero. Who knows?

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CuriousLurker  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:00:23pm

re: #14 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!

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Christie lost his bid for the nomination back in 2012.

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lawhawk  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:01:17pm

re: #27 CuriousLurker

He can still be the Nation’s Lifeguard™.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:01:17pm

The right went apeshit because the librul MSM didn’t uncover this pic:

Yet, asking about Carson’s ties to a quack nutritional supplement company is off-limits. Fucking idiots.

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lawhawk  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:02:28pm

Oh snap:

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:03:36pm

re: #27 CuriousLurker

Christie lost his bid for the nomination back in 2012.

Yeah, that was a time when I would at least have considered him as a GOP candidate. I also saw him lash out at Islamophobes who criticized him for his appointment of a Muslim judge to the bench.

Which would also be enough to seal his fate in the GOP.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:03:39pm

This is the natural side effect of spending 90+% of your campaigning time inside conservative echo chambers. Suddenly you get to a real debate on the outside where moderators are asking serious legitimate questions and you’re like “Oh my god what the fuck is going on?!?!”.

The eventual GOP nominee is going to have this same problem at the final Presidential debates, just like Romneys strategy of spouting right wing talking points killed him in 2012.

BTW, does anyone remember if Romney got upset about all the questions surrounding his involvement with Bain?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:04:41pm

re: #32 Eclectic Cyborg

BTW, does anyone remember if Romney got upset about all the questions surrounding his involvement with Bain?

They were simply spun as signs of class warfare and people jealous of others’ success…

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CuriousLurker  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:05:16pm

re: #31 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Yeah, that was a time when I would at least have considered him as a GOP candidate. I also saw him lash out at Islamophobes who criticized him for his appointment of a Muslim judge to the bench.

Which would also be enough to seal his fate in the GOP.

Agreed, on all counts.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:05:30pm

“The House Republican Party is broken,” Paul Ryan acknowledged in his speech accepting the speakership of the U.S. House on Thursday morning.

fyt

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:05:44pm

The terrible moderators asked unsubstantive gotcha questions like, “how can you keep your proposed multitrillion dollar tax cuts from exploding the deficit”? When of course they should’ve asked “how many tens of millions of high paying jobs will your middle class tax cut which will pay for itself create?”/

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mr.fusion  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:06:24pm

Here are the only questions that these whiners would not have considered “gotcha” questions.

1- Hillary killed 4 Americans in Benghazi. Your thoughts?

2- Hillary used emails or something. What’s up with that?

3- Obamacare is
a) like Hitler or
b) like slavery

4- Remember that one time that Obummer ate dog?

5- Seriously though….Benghazi

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:07:09pm

Whine Your Way To The Top!

this one weird trick will get you so much win your head will spin

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:07:41pm

re: #32 Eclectic Cyborg

This is the natural side effect of spending 90+% of your campaigning time inside conservative echo chambers. Suddenly you get to a real debate on the outside where moderators are asking serious legitimate questions and you’re like “Oh my god what the fuck is going on?!?!”.

The eventual GOP nominee is going to have this same problem at the final Presidential debates, just like Romneys strategy of spouting right wing talking points killed him in 2012.

BTW, does anyone remember if Romney got upset about all the questions surrounding his involvement with Bain?

I don’t recall Romney getting pissy like this but the attacks on Bain were made out to be anti-capitalism which was crap.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:07:43pm

re: #35 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

“The House Republican Party is broken,” Paul Ryan acknowledged in his speech accepting the speakership of the U.S. House on Thursday morning.

fyt

Imagine the mess we would be in if there weren’t enough Democratic votes available in the House to pass a budget deal opposed by most of the Republicans.

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bratwurst  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:08:05pm

I am just now finishing the debate here, having devoted most of my night to the World Series. A few observations:

1) The kerfuffle over tone and “gotcha” questions has fed into the persecution complex of the right wing lunatic fringe well. It’s not like anyone actually answered the question they were asked anyway!

2) Cruz’s outburst and the combative dynamic that followed were nothing but a cynical gimmick to appeal to the assholes in the audience. Newt Gingrich pioneered this tactic in the last cycle.

3) It was incredibly cowardly for CNBC and the RNC to allow 10 people on the stage yet again. The logistics of having a debate like this will ALWAYS lead to whining about talk time.

4) How in the world does Rinsed Pubis Reince Priebus get to keep his job? Because he presided over a huge midterm last year? Michael Steele presided over a huge midterm in 2010 and got fired. He is the genius who was supposed to make this process less dysfunctional than it was in 2012. If anything, this early campaign season is even MORE of a train wreck.

5) These people can throw out bogus statistics all night long and nobody cares. The “fact checkers” can correct them minutes, hours or days later…the majority of people who will show up to caucuses/primaries to support these people don’t give a fuck about reality.

6) Rubio continues to move into position to become the establishment’s anti-Trump, but the man has absolutely zero ability to sound as if he is speaking off the cuff.

7) My expectation that Bush would not show up as a guy really ready to fight for his political life is looking prescient. I think the only question is if he even makes it to Iowa.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:09:17pm

re: #38 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Whine Your Way To The Top!

this one weird trick will get you so much win your head will spin

“You’ll be so possessed if I possess you that it will make your head spin!” - Donald Trump in The Exorcist

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:10:18pm

re: #41 bratwurst

4) How in the world does Rinsed Pubis Reince Priebus get to keep his job? Because he presided over a huge midterm last year? Michael Steele presided over a huge midterm in 2010 and got fired. He is the genius who was supposed to make this process less dysfunctional than it was in 2012. If anything, this early campaign season is even MORE of a train wreck.

M Steele tried to keep a lid on the crazy, realized that the GOP cannot win without normal people who are not frothing idologues. The party had to shut him up to please the frothing ideologues.

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b.d.  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:10:48pm

This should be taken calmly with no rebuttal:

Is the Australian accent due to booze, mate?

cnn.com

“Our forefathers regularly got drunk together and through their frequent interactions unknowingly added an alcoholic slur to our national speech patterns,” wrote Frenkel in The (Melbourne) Age. “For the past two centuries, from generation to generation, drunken Aussie-speak continues to be taught by sober parents to their children.”

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:10:58pm

re: #29 Dr. Matt

The right went apeshit because the librul MSM didn’t uncover this pic:

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Yet, asking about Carson’s ties to a quack nutritional supplement company is off-limits. Fucking idiots.

I think I see Denzel Washington to the left. What’s so controversial about the photo?

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gocart mozart  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:11:16pm

re: #29 Dr. Matt

What is that pic?

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Decatur Deb  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:13:14pm

Some of the howling is paranoia, but a good bit is a scripted strategy to shape the tone and content of the next debate. The WSJ moderators are on notice. The gameplan reflects WWE as much as the RNC.

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lawhawk  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:14:40pm

re: #29 Dr. Matt

Some background, here at LGF:

littlegreenfootballs.com

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De Kolta Chair  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:15:34pm

re: #3 De Kolta Chair

Something else for li’l Ben to flip out about?

Clarification: by li’l Ben I meant Shapiro, not Carson.

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b.d.  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:18:51pm

re: #49 De Kolta Chair

Clarification: by li’l Ben I meant Shapiro, not Carson.

If you’d lock Ben Carson & Ben Shapiro in a room together, one of them would wind up being dead after 10 hours.

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De Kolta Chair  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:20:06pm

re: #50 b.d.

If you’d lock Ben Carson & Ben Shapiro in a room together, one of them would wind up being dead after 10 hours.

Shapiro really should see a doctor about his terminal butthurt.

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Skip Intro  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:20:32pm

Better late than never, I guess.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:20:45pm

re: #51 De Kolta Chair

Shapiro really should see a doctor about terminal butthurt.

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Who does he want?

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:22:06pm

re: #44 b.d.

This should be taken calmly with no rebuttal:

cnn.com

Crack two, Bruce.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:22:15pm

re: #53 HappyWarrior

Who does he want?

I’m guessing he’s a Cruz fanboy.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:24:06pm

re: #48 lawhawk

Some background, here at LGF:

littlegreenfootballs.com

I totally forgot about this beauty:

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Timothy Watson  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:24:39pm

re: #30 lawhawk

Oh snap:

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Uh, I think that’s wrong. The cells used in the polio vaccine research were derived from a cervical cancer sample.
en.wikipedia.org

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:26:02pm

re: #55 The Vicious Babushka

I’m guessing he’s a Cruz fanboy.

Yeah well then he’s even dumber than I thought if that’s the case.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:26:55pm

re: #24 The Vicious Babushka

Rand Paul once again shows he has no clue how an actual national economy works==>

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My senator is so, so wrong. Here is how we should grow the economy (shameless plug for my page).

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Timothy Watson  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:27:20pm

re: #55 The Vicious Babushka

I’m guessing he’s a Cruz fanboy.

Cruz does a great job attracting the best of derp.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:30:15pm

re: #60 Timothy Watson

Cruz does a great job attracting the best of derp.

He’s a derp magnet.

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lawhawk  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:31:26pm

re: #57 Timothy Watson

The American Society for Cell Biology indicates that fetal tissue was instrumental in developing the polio vaccine and other research. The NIH also points to fetal tissue as being involved in polio vaccine development.

The 1954 Nobel Prize Award Ceremony Speech also identifies human embryo research contributing to polio vaccine development.

At last, time was ripe for experiments on the poliomyelitis virus. The prospect of a favorable result could not be considered particularly bright. Other scientists had previously attacked the problem with very moderate success. It was generally held that the final word had already been said by Sabin and Olitsky who in 1936 tried to grow the virus in Maitland cultures of various tissues from chick embryos, mice, monkeys, and human embryos. Their results remained completely negative except in cultures of human embryonic brain tissue in which the virus at least seemed to maintain its activity. These findings were taken as a definitive confirmation of the accepted concept of the virus as a strictly neurotropic agent, i.e. capable of multiplying in nerve cells exclusively. Accordingly, the hopes of a practicable method for the cultivation of the poliomyelitis virus were temporarily shelved. Of all tissues, nerve tissue is the most specialized, the most exacting and consequently the most difficult to cultivate. As, at that, there seemed to be no alternative to the use of human brain tissue, the general resignation is easily understood.

In the 1940’s the belief in the neurotropism of the virus began to falter, however, and Enders, Weller and Robbins decided to repeat Sabin and Olitsky’s experiment with an improved technique. In their first experiments they used human embryonic tissue. To the great surprise of everybody except perhaps the experimenters themselves they registered a hit in their first attempt. The virus grew not only in brain tissue but equally well in cells derived from skin, muscle, and intestines. Furthermore, in connection with the multiplication of the virus, typical changes appeared in the cellular structure, finally leading to complete destruction, easily recognizable under the microscope. This observation furnished a convenient method of reading the results. Furthermore, immune serum was found to inhibit specifically the virus multiplication, the technique therefore being applicable also in immunity tests. Subsequently, Enders, Weller and Robbins found that tissues secured from operations on children as well as adults could be used to advantage; all tissues except bone and cartilage seemed to be equally suitable. Finally they tried to isolate the virus from various specimens directly in tissue cultures. This was likewise achieved. In the latter observation probably the greatest practical importance of their discoveries is to be found. The virologists finally had a tool in the same classes the culture technique of the bacteriologists.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:32:38pm

re: #24 The Vicious Babushka

Rand Paul once again shows he has no clue how an actual national economy works==>

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So he wants another depression. Good to know.

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De Kolta Chair  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:37:56pm

I love watching a well-deserved drubbing

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wrenchwench  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:39:42pm

re: #59 Big Beautiful Door

My senator is so, so wrong. Here is how we should grow the economy (shameless plug for my page).

Wow, criticism of the FED that makes sense! I’m so tired of END the FED I almost passed on it. Thanks for the Page!

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WhatEVs  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:40:02pm

Oh goody. I am only 64 comments late to this new thread. :-)

I was speaking to myself downstairs. It was lonely and cold and…nevermind. I’m an idiot.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:41:27pm

re: #63 Eclectic Cyborg

So he wants another depression. Good to know.

And Cruz actually went luap nor and talked about returning to the gold standard!

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:42:49pm

My One Weird Trick Will Eliminate The Deficit

do even republicans believe the ridiculous fantasy tax plans submitted by the candidates?

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De Kolta Chair  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:42:54pm

re: #66 WhatEVs

Oh goody. I am only 64 comments late to this new thread. :-)

I was speaking to myself downstairs. It was lonely and cold and…nevermind. I’m an idiot.

I never go down to my basement. Gives me the willies.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:44:26pm

re: #68 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

My One Weird Trick Will Eliminate The Deficit

do even republicans believe the ridiculous fantasy tax plans submitted by the candidates?

only the voters

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jaunte  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:46:35pm

Luckily for me it was music night last night, so instead of watching the “debate” I got to play a few hours with friends and drink a little vodka. Catching up to the reporting on it today, this headline is a good summary:

The GOP’s Grotesque Festival of Lies

“…After the candidates abused the truth for 10 hours, Republican National Committee chairman Reince Priebus attacked the moderators, and conservatives delighted in the knowledge that the base would chalk up the whole mess to media bias, damning GOP primary voters by assuming their oafishness.

In the long run, conservatives suffer more the deeper they burrow themselves into an ecosystem of convenient misinformation. But in the short run, they’ve figured out that denying documented reality and attacking the messenger can completely snow over the truth. “

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jaunte  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:47:42pm

Burrowing into an “ecosystem of convenient misinformation.”

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Timothy Watson  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:50:09pm

re: #62 lawhawk

The American Society for Cell Biology indicates that fetal tissue was instrumental in developing the polio vaccine and other research. The NIH also points to fetal tissue as being involved in polio vaccine development.

The 1954 Nobel Prize Award Ceremony Speech also identifies human embryo research contributing to polio vaccine development.

Wasn’t aware of that, I was thinking of the HeLa series of cells which I had read about a couple months ago.

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lawhawk  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:50:38pm

re: #68 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

My One Weird Trick Will Eliminate The Deficit

do even republicans believe the ridiculous fantasy tax plans submitted by the candidates?

According to my twitter feed, yeah, there’s plenty of twit-nits who do. All claiming that if you just cut taxes, you’ll spur economic growth. Even though the history of tax cuts since the 1980s shows no such thing. Or that when KS engaged in the biggest experiment on supply side economics, they not only didn’t get the economic growth they were looking for, but ended up with massive deficits that required spending cuts to education that got people hollering and other GOPers to slowly back away from GOP darling Sam Brownback.

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b.d.  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:54:43pm

re: #66 WhatEVs

Oh goody. I am only 64 comments late to this new thread. :-)

I was speaking to myself downstairs. It was lonely and cold and…nevermind. I’m an idiot.

We’re just hanging around up here working on developing an Australian accent

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wrenchwench  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:57:10pm
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Dr. Matt  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:57:39pm

He must be trolling….no one is this fucking pathetic:

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:58:56pm

re: #77 Dr. Matt

He must be trolling….no one is this fucking pathetic:

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I guess this means I’m qualified to run Johns Hopkins neurology department.

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iossarian  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:59:37pm

re: #78 HappyWarrior

I guess this means I’m qualified to run Johns Hopkins neurology department.

“Watch this… hold my beer.”

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Belafon  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:59:39pm

re: #77 Dr. Matt

He must be trolling….no one is this fucking pathetic:

“Noah’s ark: So off course it ran into a mountain.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2015 • 12:59:48pm

re: #77 Dr. Matt

He must be trolling….no one is this fucking pathetic:

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Yeah, posted this on the previous thread. Is Carson suggesting that amateurs should be doing brain surgery? Or is it just OTHER professions where amateurs should be allowed?

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iossarian  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:00:27pm

re: #81 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, posted this on the previous thread. Is Carson suggesting that amateurs should be doing brain surgery? Or is it just OTHER professions where amateurs should be allowed?

Forget it, Blind Frog Belly White. It’s Conservatown.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:00:52pm

re: #80 Belafon

“Noah’s ark: So off course it ran into a mountain.”

And mankind was able to find the Titanic. The ark? Still MIA.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:01:43pm

re: #65 wrenchwench

Wow, criticism of the FED that makes sense! I’m so tired of END the FED I almost passed on it. Thanks for the Page!

Thanks! IMO, the problem isn’t really the Fed, but the grip that obsession with deficit reduction has had on Congress. Now that an election is coming up and the GOP candidates are competing to see who can come up with the biggest budget busting tax cut for the rich, we should point out how that money should be invested in America instead.

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Belafon  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:01:52pm

re: #81 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, posted this on the previous thread. Is Carson suggesting that amateurs should be doing brain surgery? Or is it just OTHER professions where amateurs should be allowed?

No one ever needed to do brain surgery in the old testament. We only needed it when we stopped putting our faith in God.

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wrenchwench  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:01:53pm
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Dr. Matt  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:02:03pm

re: #81 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, posted this on the previous thread. Is Carson suggesting that amateurs should be doing brain surgery? Or is it just OTHER professions where amateurs should be allowed?

Perhaps he’s suggesting that God sent that iceberg to sink the Titanic because He didn’t give them the blueprints?

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b.d.  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:02:46pm

re: #77 Dr. Matt

He must be trolling….no one is this fucking pathetic:

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I’ll take 500 year old imaginary boat builders for $1,000 Alex.

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:04:42pm

re: #4 iossarian

How can you get paid to speak and not have a formal relationship?

I think Ben looks at his relationship with Mannatech like the ladies of the world’s oldest profession look at their relationships with their ‘clients’.

It’s a “pro”fessional relationship. ;)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:07:13pm

re: #87 Dr. Matt

Perhaps he’s suggesting that God sent that iceberg to sink the Titanic because He didn’t give them the blueprints?

I thought was because somebody said, “God Himself could not sink this ship!”

And God replied, in a Barney Stinson voice, “Challenge accepted!”
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Skip Intro  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:08:00pm

Babylonian tablet shows how Noah’s ark could have been constructed

And it didn’t look anything like the ark we’re told of. Plus, of course, it never existed.

The ark is a huge circular coracle, 3,600 square metres in dimension or two-thirds the size of a football pitch, made like a giant rope basket strengthened with wooden ribs, and waterproofed with bitumen inside and out. This was a giant version of a craft which the Babylonians knew very well, Finkel pointed out, in daily use up to the late 20th century to transport people and animals across rivers.

It didn’t exist because you can’t build a coracle that large. Science + math = engineering.

theguardian.com

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lawhawk  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:08:56pm

re: #80 Belafon

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lawhawk  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:11:01pm

re: #85 Belafon

No one ever needed to do brain surgery in the old testament. We only needed it when we stopped putting our faith in God.

There’s more evidence of there being ancient brain surgery than there is of an Ark being built.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:11:57pm

re: #77 Dr. Matt

He must be trolling….no one is this fucking pathetic:

It is important to remember that amateurs built the Ark and it was the professionals that built the Titanic

he is simply appealing to potential voters who like to hear this sort of world view-assuring aphorisms

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:14:08pm

re: #94 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

he is simply appealing to potential voters who like to hear this sort of world view-assuring aphorisms

Republicans don’t make serious policy proposals; they simply confirm their conservative bona fides. That is why Kasich can’t be the nominee; he pointed out that in the real world the fantastical tax cut proposals of his opponents would be disastrous.

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iossarian  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:14:46pm

The current state of conservative thought can be summed up by their candidates’ response to substantive policy questions, which is to rant that they aren’t being asked substantive policy questions.

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lawhawk  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:18:03pm

WSJ:

Carson crowed on video showing that Mannatech donations helped secure him a chair at Hopkins.

That’s not what Mr. Carson said in 2011, when he got a round of applause by telling Mannatech associates that the company had donated funds to help him get a coveted endowed post at Johns Hopkins Medicine, according to a video of the event. Mannatech removed the video from its website last week after inquiries from The Wall Street Journal.

“Well three years ago I had an endowed chair bestowed upon me,” Mr. Carson said in his “Keynote Address” at a 2011 Mannatech convention. “And uh, it requires $2.5 million to do an endowed chair and I’m proud to say that part of that $2.5 million came from Mannatech.”

Despite that statement, the Carson campaign now says “there was no contribution from Mannatech to Johns Hopkins.” A spokesman added: “It was a legitimate mistake on his part. Confusion. He had been doing some fundraising for the hospital and some other chairs about that time, and he simply got things mixed up.”

Ummm, which would you believe - a contemporaneous statement made at the time he got the chair, or a statement now that he’s running for the WH that disavows the earlier statement?

Hmmmm…. choices. Choices.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:22:15pm

re: #97 lawhawk

WSJ:

Carson crowed on video showing that Mannatech donations helped secure him a chair at Hopkins.

Ummm, which would you believe - a contemporaneous statement made at the time he got the chair, or a statement now that he’s running for the WH that disavows the earlier statement?

Hmmmm…. choices. Choices.

As a Hopkins alum, its embarrassing that this guy is representing Johns Hopkins in the presidential race.

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Skip Intro  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:22:29pm
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KGxvi  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:27:49pm

re: #99 Skip Intro

Sadly, that probably gives Carson an edge because tone matters.

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Nyet  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:29:03pm

re: #91 Skip Intro

Babylonian tablet shows how Noah’s ark could have been constructed

And it didn’t look anything like the ark we’re told of. Plus, of course, it never existed.

It didn’t exist because you can’t build a coracle that large. Science + math = engineering.

theguardian.com

It also didn’t exist because people don’t get hundreds of years old, you can’t gather that many animals or care for them, and because the first books of the Bible (and the personages therein) are basically wholly mythical (while the later ones, starting around the time of David, are mostly mythical with some superficial history embedded).

No Adam, Eve, Noah, Abraham, Moses…

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:48:54pm

re: #96 iossarian

The current state of conservative thought can be summed up by their candidates’ response to substantive policy questions, which is to rant that they aren’t being asked substantive policy questions.

Substantive questions like, “Where is your birth certificate?”, “Let’s see your college transcripts!”. Things like that.

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sagehen  Oct 29, 2015 • 1:50:38pm

re: #101 Nyet

It also didn’t exist because people don’t get hundreds of years old, you can’t gather that many animals or care for them, and because the first books of the Bible (and the personages therein) are basically wholly mythical (while the later ones, starting around the time of David, are mostly mythical with some superficial history embedded).

No Adam, Eve, Noah, Abraham, Moses…

Scripture was written in a dialect that hasn’t had a native speaker for thousands of years; vocabulary was limited. Translators do their best, but there’s limits to their knowledge.

“On the first day… on the second day…” could very easily have been “in the first phase… in the second phase…” I know when I speak about “back in my day” I’m generally not referring to a specific 24-hour period that was “mine.” Who the hell knows how mean meanings there were for the word that’s most often translated as “year”, or whether “Noah” and “Abraham” may have referred to a lineage — the Rothschilds doesn’t necessarily mean two or three particular ones who exist as I write this.

Let us also remember that metaphor is not a modern invention. During the Battle of Jericho did the sun stand still? Anybody who’s been in a hellacious battle will confirm that their sense of time was seriously distorted for the duration.

Now add in that “scripture” is a transcript of what used to be a recitation, finally put onto parchment after the invention of a new alphabet (alephbet). That recitation included facial expressions, gestures, body language, tone of voice…. the people hearing it might have believed the performer to be saying something very different to what I come up with when reading.

Was there massive flooding that ended somebody’s entire world? Sea level did rise when the glaciers melted, some natural dams probably burst suddenly, there were tsunamis when volcanos erupted, etc. A breeding pair of every animal on my farm might not be that many animals, and they maybe weren’t so very big…

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gocart mozart  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:10:13pm

re: #48 lawhawk

That a lot dumber than I could have imagined and I have a good imagination for Derp.

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Nyet  Oct 29, 2015 • 2:39:02pm

re: #103 sagehen

Scripture was written in a dialect that hasn’t had a native speaker for thousands of years; vocabulary was limited. Translators do their best, but there’s limits to their knowledge.

That’s not an insurmountable problem for most of the text, some inevitable “dark” places aside. While the Biblical Hebrew was displaced with Aramaic, there were always educated people who kept Hebrew alive, and e.g. the Septuagint was translated early enough (even if its Vorlage is significantly different from the Masoretic text; but then, the Masoretic text is not the original Bible either).

“On the first day… on the second day…” could very easily have been “in the first phase… in the second phase…” I know when I speak about “back in my day” I’m generally not referring to a specific 24-hour period that was “mine.” Who the hell knows how mean meanings there were for the word that’s most often translated as “year”, or whether “Noah” and “Abraham” may have referred to a lineage — the Rothschilds doesn’t necessarily mean two or three particular ones who exist as I write this.

Context helps. For example in the matter of days:

And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

So it was a “normal” day. Noah and Abraham don’t refer to lineages because those are names of individual persons whose “continuous” stories are told, etc.

Now, I don’t mean that religious people shouldn’t be interpreting the texts any way they want for religious purposes, that’s not my prerogative. But there are no “secular”, “non-apologetic” reasons to search for a non-literal interpretation here. Yes, people back then simply believed in a literal firmament, in the waters below and above it, in special creation, sun going around the (often flat) Earth, etc. The neighbor mythologies show as much.

Let us also remember that metaphor is not a modern invention. During the Battle of Jericho did the sun stand still? Anybody who’s been in a hellacious battle will confirm that their sense of time was seriously distorted for the duration.

Since the whole conquest of Canaan has been disproved by archeology, arguing about whether it’s a metaphor seems like an overkill ;) (And BTW, it wasn’t during the battle of Jericho.) But is there a reason to interpret this as a metaphor?

11 As they fled before Israel, while they were going down the slope of Beth-horon, the Lord threw down huge stones from heaven on them as far as Azekah, and they died; there were more who died because of the hailstones than the Israelites killed with the sword.

12 On the day when the Lord gave the Amorites over to the Israelites, Joshua spoke to the Lord; and he said in the sight of Israel,

“Sun, stand still at Gibeon,
and Moon, in the valley of Aijalon.”
13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stopped,
until the nation took vengeance on their enemies.
Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stopped in midheaven, and did not hurry to set for about a whole day. 14 There has been no day like it before or since, when the Lord heeded a human voice; for the Lord fought for Israel.

So God throws literal huge stones at them. If such is the narrative, why say that the Sun and Moon standing still are metaphors? And that there had been no day like it before or since points to a unique happenstance, not to a psychological effect that would be evident during each successful daytime battle.

Now add in that “scripture” is a transcript of what used to be a recitation, finally put onto parchment after the invention of a new alphabet (alephbet). That recitation included facial expressions, gestures, body language, tone of voice…. the people hearing it might have believed the performer to be saying something very different to what I come up with when reading.

It depends on what hypothesis about the composition one accepts. Whether it was a faithful reproduction of oral traditions with minimal editing, or whether it was a politically motivated stitching together of similar but different stories (hence the infamous “duplicates”) from the two Kingdoms in order to promote unification…

Was there massive flooding that ended somebody’s entire world? Sea level did rise when the glaciers melted, some natural dams probably burst suddenly, there were tsunamis when volcanos erupted, etc. A breeding pair of every animal on my farm might not be that many animals, and they maybe weren’t so very big…

The global flood myths are ubiquitous worldwide and may point to one or several huge cataclysmic events in the past, but explaining the origin of the story is not the same as “saving” it. It still didn’t happen as described and for the reasons described.

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John Vreeland  Oct 29, 2015 • 3:30:17pm
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majii  Oct 29, 2015 • 4:05:21pm

If, as Carson says, the purpose of debates is for us to “get to know the candidates,” it would include knowing the intimate details associated with their policy positions and the ties they’ve had to different groups in the past and in the present. Only a nut would think this wouldn’t include companies like Mannatech and the fact that his idea for a flat tax would blow more than a trillion dollar hole in the deficit. The problem for Carson is that he says sh*t that he can’t defend, and he then gets angry when he’s asked about it because he looks exactly like what he is—-an empty suit. I’m sick of some GOP/TPers saying that we blacks voted for Barack Obama because he’s black. We voted for him because he’s smart, is not a rabid warmonger, doesn’t let those like Bibi and Putin push him around, and primarily, because his positions on the issues are close to our own. I was talking with some women at the beauty shop today who are also black, and they also think Carson is a nut who belongs in a mental health facility. There’s no way anyone in my family, or any members of the many other black families I know would vote for Carson for any reason. Of one thing I feel very certain about is that if Carson wins the GOP/TP nomination in 2016, he’ll lose the black vote by a very wide margin to any democrat.

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majii  Oct 29, 2015 • 4:09:19pm

re: #21 KGxvi

Easy answer: Attack the lamestream media. It’s their go-to tactic when they don’t want to answer any question.

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sagehen  Oct 29, 2015 • 6:15:42pm

re: #107 majii

I’m sick of some GOP/TPers saying that we blacks voted for Barack Obama because he’s black. We voted for him because he’s smart, is not a rabid warmonger, doesn’t let those like Bibi and Putin push him around, and primarily, because his positions on the issues are close to our own.

And here I thought it was because black voters have gone 90+% for the Democrat ever since the Civil Rights Act. That any cycle where one party’s trying to make it easier to vote, and the other party’s trying to make it harder to vote, black voters will stand near-monolithically with the party that wants it to be easier to vote.

If the R’s would stop with the voter suppression crap, they’d find out that 20-30% of black voters lean conservative on foreign policy, national security, small business regulations, violent crime, education, the churchy stuff…

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Swift2991  Nov 1, 2015 • 8:35:55am

Long history of “Gotcha!” questions in the devilish liberal media for God-fearing Christians. Who can forget the malevolent Katie Couric and that brain-teaser, “what do you read?”


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