Alex Jones: Obama Is a Vampire, He Hates Crosses and Flies Land on Him

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If Alex Jones were really an irrelevant fringe loony as he deserves to be, I’d gladly ignore him. But this guy is very influential now in the right wing, frequently featured at Drudge Report and with access to top GOP politicians like the current presidential front-runner Donald Trump, who appeared on his show recently and praised Jones’ “great reputation.”

This is how he built that reputation; with absolutely insane hallucinatory fantasies like this: Alex Jones Proves Obama Is Demonic: A Fly Once Landed On Him.

While he may be losing his church, anti-gay pastor James David Manning still found time to chat with Alex Jones yesterday, and the two agreed that President Obama is a spiritually evil man who, according to Jones, is “almost like a vampire” and “will never been seen with a cross around him.” Never. Ever.

Manning said that if he were to ever encounter Obama, he would “flash him with my cross.”

“Well, I’ve talked to people about how the flies are always landing on him,” Jones said, claiming that “prominent” people have told him that “there’s something really evil about Obama when you’re in his presence.”

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255 comments
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HappyWarrior  Mar 28, 2016 • 10:38:05am

Jones is either mentally disturbed or one of the biggest con men of all time or perhaps a little of both. I love how he’s paranoid as shit about Obama but trusts Trump all the way.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 28, 2016 • 10:39:45am
President Obama is a spiritually evil man who, according to Jones, is “almost like a vampire” and “will never been seen with a cross around him.” Never. Ever.

Yeah but how come Obama doesn’t ever never wear a cross around his neck?

It proofs Obama not a Christian!

Also, too, stop challenging Trump’s obvious true Christianity despite the way he acts.

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Kragar  Mar 28, 2016 • 10:41:07am

a list of idioms

bats in belfry
a few cans short of a six pack
mad as a hatter
hanging out with Alex Jones

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withak  Mar 28, 2016 • 10:41:29am

re: #1 HappyWarrior

Jones is either mentally disturbed or one of the biggest con men of all time or perhaps a little of both. I love how he’s paranoid as shit about Obama but trusts Trump all the way.

Nine parts con man, one part disturbed, all parts damaging to national discourse.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 28, 2016 • 10:41:33am

You know I imagine Alex Jones gets a lot of flies on him too because he probably smells like rotting shit.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 28, 2016 • 10:41:58am

re: #4 withak

Nine parts con man, one part disturbed, all parts damaging to national discourse.

The act and I think a lot of it is an act has made him a wealthy man.

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Belafon  Mar 28, 2016 • 10:42:25am

The last time a fly got near Obama, he caught it in the air, during an interview. I’m pretty sure all flies have been warned to stay away.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 28, 2016 • 10:42:29am

re: #6 HappyWarrior

The act and I think a lot of it is an act has made him a wealthy man.

Crazy sells.

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jaunte  Mar 28, 2016 • 10:42:36am

re: #5 HappyWarrior

That’s his AXE wingnut spray.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 28, 2016 • 10:43:30am

re: #8 Dr Lizardo

Crazy sells.

Very well. I’d love to see Jones off the radio waves. I imagine it’s a totally different character.

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jaunte  Mar 28, 2016 • 10:43:30am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 28, 2016 • 10:43:44am

re: #9 jaunte

That’s his AXE wingnut spray.

And I thought regular AXE was bad enough.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 28, 2016 • 10:44:29am

re: #10 HappyWarrior

Very well. I’d love to see Jones off the radio waves. I imagine it’s a totally different character.

Heh. My fave is the conspiracy theory that Alex Jones is, in reality,

Click to Reveal

Bill Hicks

having a laugh.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 28, 2016 • 10:45:15am

re: #13 Dr Lizardo

Heh. My fave is the conspiracy theory that Alex Jones is, in reality,

[Embedded content]

having a laugh.

He does look a lot older than his recorded age!

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Charles Johnson  Mar 28, 2016 • 10:49:05am

He’s just going to ignore it, I’m sure. But I wanted to get this on the record.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Mar 28, 2016 • 10:49:35am

re: #7 Belafon

The last time a fly got near Obama, he caught it in the air, during an interview. I’m pretty sure all flies have been warned to stay away.

With his tongue.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 28, 2016 • 10:50:37am

“Flies landing on him”. Reminds me of those commercials with the starving African kids on tv.

What sick freaks.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 28, 2016 • 10:54:44am

re: #15 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

He’s just going to ignore it, I’m sure. But I wanted to get this on the record.

Proof that any right wing hack can call himself a journalist

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Skip Intro  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:02:53am

I’m surprised that the American Freedom Party didn’t include Jones as Director of Communications.

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Lidane  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:03:01am

Freepers are predictably losing their shit over Gov. Deal vetoing the pro-discrimination law in Georgia:

Trading your constitutional birthright for another Super Bowl.
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Nathan Deal is a Pinhead, and Still a Democrat… Of course most of the GOP in Georgia are Democrats in different cloth…
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Deal is the quintessential RINO, was a Democrat congressman until about 1994. Now he’s in the pocket of the Chamber of Commerce.
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Deal was placed into power by the very elites in corporate Atlanta he is bowing down to now. That is why having a presidential candidate owned by major financial, business or labor union interests is so dangerous. It is not the will of the people or the good of the people that is considered just the good of the money flow for the politician.

This is one of the major reasons I support Trump.
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I had hoped Georgia would remain resistant to the abuse that is thrown upon Christians for standing up for their belief. Sadly it seems the world has decided to eliminate Christianity, the one best hope for humanity, in favor of chaos.
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So, persecution of Christians is acceptable? The world is truly upside down right now…
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Coward. If this bill was like others the protection for faithful believers wanting to conduct business according to their conscience was actually very narrow. But the usual whingers and liars and perverts have become experts at propaganda.
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I truly want to see nothing less than the total death and obliteration of the GOP at this point.
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Very sad that the people of Georgia would elect so intellectually confused a Governor.

The “broad protection of the First Amendment,” by its explicit terms, forbids Congress from interfering with establishments of religion. It does not prevent a State from securing the religious freedom of its citizens. It certainly was never intended to force anyone to do business with someone they deemed morally reprehensible.

As for “discrimination?” Governor Deal is totally clueless. The right to discriminate—that is the right to make decisions based upon one’s values and preferences—goes to the very essence of personal freedom. Every voluntary choice between alternatives that a free man or women makes is a discriminating act.

My intention is not to pick on the Governor. But it is absolutely pathetic that one in so high an office appears so utterly unaware of what is really involved in a contemporary issue. We are going to lose more and more of our freedom to make our own decisions in our own lives, unless we stop allowing “politically correct” bullies to intimidate those who should have the character to defend the liberty they were sworn to uphold.
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GOP is not much different than Dems on gay crap

It’s a tool of the left like black crap is

He was I’m sure under withering business pressure and Georgia has a lot of business

Can legislature override?

This is second or third GOP governor to do this I think no?

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The Ghost of the Spaghetti Weevil  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:04:41am

Hey…HEY…remember that time that Obama was evil because he went to the wrong church with the wrong pastor?

Good times.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:04:53am

re: #20 Lidane

Freepers are predictably losing their shit over Gov. Deal vetoing the pro-discrimination law in Georgia:

Freepers shocked when business comes before “religious liberty” for Republicans. Maybe the Freepers will get the hint that the Republican Party doesn’t actually care about “religious liberty.”

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Skip Intro  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:07:05am

re: #22 HappyWarrior

Freepers shocked when business comes before “religious liberty” for Republicans. Maybe the Freepers will get the hint that the Republican Party doesn’t actually care about “religious liberty.”

Freepers apparently have never noticed that the grifting business of their god JimRob comes before everything.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:07:46am

re: #20 Lidane

Deal was placed into power by the very elites in corporate Atlanta he is bowing down to now. That is why having a presidential candidate owned by major financial, business or labor union interests is so dangerous. It is not the will of the people or the good of the people that is considered just the good of the money flow for the politician.

This is one of the major reasons I support Trump.

HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHHHHAHHAHAHHAHHAH

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jaunte  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:08:01am

re: #22 HappyWarrior

“Money is a principle, my friend.”

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HappyWarrior  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:09:01am

I mean I am glad that Deal vetoed this stupid bill of course but it was all about fear of losing the Super Bowl and not you know that Deal actually has a problem with homophobia.

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lawhawk  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:10:31am

re: #25 jaunte

“Money is a principle, my friend.”

Bless your heart!

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jaunte  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:10:32am

re: #26 HappyWarrior

Now, if we could only get the NFL to care about women having access to reproductive healthcare.

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KGxvi  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:11:28am

re: #28 jaunte

Now, if we could only get the NFL to care about women having access to reproductive healthcare.

I’m sure the NFLPA cares about that

(/snark?)

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:13:02am

re: #23 Skip Intro

Freepers apparently have never noticed that the grifting business of their god JimRob comes before everything.

At about the same time that I quit FR forever (in 2009) I noticed that the “quarterly” Freepathons were lasting longer and longer.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:15:00am

re: #20 Lidane

GOP is not much different than Dems on gay crap

It’s a tool of the left like black crap is

They just can’t help themselves, can they?

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KGxvi  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:16:49am

re: #31 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

You know what would be funny? If all those businesses that “left” blue state because of “oppressive tax burdens” left red states and returned to blue states because of discriminatory laws. I’d love to see how the wingularity would try to square that circle.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:17:04am

re: #22 HappyWarrior

Freepers seem to be (attempting) to make the distinction that conservatism is about religion and not about preserving the status quo. Not that any of them are conservative, they are reactionary. But, that is a definition without distinction in this case.

They keep coming back to the states being able to establish a religion and that ‘discrimination’ (the right to choose association) is the equivalent of commercial and/or religious discrimination. And, as noted in one of those comments, teh gheys are teh same as the blahs in this case. And, those subsets of humanity hold sway over the legislature. Oh, and Deal was a demonkrat 30 years ago…

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iossarian  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:17:56am

re: #31 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

They just can’t help themselves, can they?

It’s always amusing to watch the conservative commentariat try and try to stick to the “democrats are the real racists, we freed the slaves” shtick, only to see it come unglued within the first five minutes of discussion.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:18:20am

re: #30 The Vicious Babushka

At about the same time that I quit FR forever (in 2009) I noticed that the “quarterly” Freepathons were lasting longer and longer.

Do they ever go away? Every time I go there for a look around, they’re grifting

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Kragar  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:19:05am
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Dr Lizardo  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:19:52am

re: #30 The Vicious Babushka

At about the same time that I quit FR forever (in 2009) I noticed that the “quarterly” Freepathons were lasting longer and longer.

They’re almost perpetual now.

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Skip Intro  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:21:49am

re: #35 Le Lapin Tueur

Do they ever go away? Every time I go there for a look around, they’re grifting

Unless things have changed, they’re done quarterly. Since they take so long before JimRob declares he’s grifted enough, there’s often no more than a couple of weeks before the next one starts.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:22:11am

Working on getting taxes filed

Paid less for Health Insurance than year before

Thanks Obama

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iossarian  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:22:41am

re: #36 Kragar

I won’t be guilted in2 voting for some1 I do not believe in-done it 2 many times.my vote has 2 be earned, not given by default.

Elementary school blackboard eraser officer elections do not count for present purposes of discussion.

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Kragar  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:25:21am
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Billy Batts  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:26:18am

re: #39 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Working on getting taxes filed

Paid less for Health Insurance than year before

Thanks Obama

Because of the evil Obamacare, as a self-employed individual I get to write off 100% of my health insurance premiums.

Thanks Obama.

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Lancelot Link  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:27:46am

re: #22 HappyWarrior

I wonder if Sanders would side with Big Business over “the Will of the People” like this?
/

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jaunte  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:30:45am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:31:37am
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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:32:41am

re: #44 jaunte

It’s called governing, Mr. Cruz. Look into it.

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jaunte  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:34:39am

re: #46 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Ted Cruz will commit to spending Georgia’s last dime on bullying LGBT people.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:37:01am

re: #44 jaunte

It’s almost as if Cruz is just a reckless ideologue who has no conception of, or interest in, representing and protecting the equal rights of all a society’s members, even those who might not vote for him.

/

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Billy Batts  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:37:43am

Because I like to keep my enemies closer, I tuned in to Rush and heard a great history lesson today! Belgium was created after WWII as a buffer between France and Germany. Never mind that Belgium declared their independence from the Netherlands in 1830. Off by only 115 years.

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Belafon  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:38:02am

re: #48 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

It’s almost as if Cruz is just a reckless ideologue who has no conception of, or interest in, representing and protecting the equal rights of all a society’s members, even those who might not vote for him.

/

All Christians are equal, though some are more equal than others.

The rest of us can go to hell.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:40:08am

re: #49 Billy Batts

Because I like to keep my enemies closer, I tuned in to Rush and heard a great history lesson today! Belgium was created after WWII as a buffer between France and Germany. Never mind that Belgium declared their independence from the Netherlands in 1830. Off by only 115 years.

That’s pretty terrible, even for a know-nothing like Rusty.

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withak  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:43:27am

re: #49 Billy Batts

Because I like to keep my enemies closer, I tuned in to Rush and heard a great history lesson today! Belgium was created after WWII as a buffer between France and Germany. Never mind that Belgium declared their independence from the Nerherlands in 1830. Off by only 115 years.

What was the greater context of his ahistory lesson? Do I even want to know?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:43:58am

re: #49 Billy Batts

Because I like to keep my enemies closer, I tuned in to Rush and heard a great history lesson today! Belgium was created after WWII as a buffer between France and Germany. Never mind that Belgium declared their independence from the Nerherlands in 1830. Off by only 115 years.

That’s pretty accurate for an RWNJ.

//

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:45:34am

re: #50 Belafon

All Christians are equal, though some are more equal than others.

The rest of us can go to hell.

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Great White Snark  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:45:34am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:46:18am

re: #55 Great White Snark

The guy calls himself HealthRanger.

Good grief.

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withak  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:47:41am

re: #56 Eclectic Cyborg

The guy calls himself Healthranger.

Good grief.

NaturalNews dot com is pretty much the premier site for health/nutrition grifting.

(Edited to remove hyperlink)

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:49:20am
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Billy Batts  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:50:30am

re: #52 withak

FWIR, he was rambling about how Belgium is the liberal utopia because it’s the home of NATO and the EU even though it’s only been around since post-WWII. His lesson also ventured into assimilation, whereby while our country is made of immigrants, back in the good old days they wanted to be part of the American culture. Of course, immigration is a huge part of American culture, but he didn’t teach that today.

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lawhawk  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:51:16am

re: #58 The Vicious Babushka

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:52:18am

Well, goodnight, Lizards.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:53:41am

re: #56 Eclectic Cyborg

The guy calls himself HealthRanger.

Good grief.

More like Health Stranger.

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Great White Snark  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:54:26am

re: #54 Eclectic Cyborg

Embedded Image

New desktop at work, see how long until I get the takedown notice, LOL

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:54:56am
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lawhawk  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:54:58am

re: #60 lawhawk

So, first reports/early reports/secondary reports? All over the place.

Just waiting to see more information and confirmations about, well, anything.

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Skip Intro  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:55:24am

re: #49 Billy Batts

Because I like to keep my enemies closer, I tuned in to Rush and heard a great history lesson today! Belgium was created after WWII as a buffer between France and Germany. Never mind that Belgium declared their independence from the Netherlands in 1830. Off by only 115 years.

Then where did Hercule Poirot come from during WWI?

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:55:48am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:56:10am
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:56:58am

re: #55 Great White Snark

[Embedded content]

Anti-Vaccine Film Safely Removed From Robert De Niro’s Ass

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:58:26am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:58:30am

Easter Egg Roll going on at the WH.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:59:10am
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Kragar  Mar 28, 2016 • 11:59:10am
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unproven innocence  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:00:08pm

re: #59 Billy Batts

FWIR, he was rambling about how Belgium is the liberal utopia because it’s the home of NATO and the EU even though it’s only been around since post-WWII. His lesson also ventured into assimilation, whereby while our country is made of immigrants, back in the good old days they wanted to be part of the American culture. Of course, immigration is a huge part of American culture, but he didn’t teach that today.

“Leopold II had been keen to acquire a colony for Belgium even before he ascended to the throne in 1865.” en.wikipedia.org

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:00:10pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:00:15pm

re: #71 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Easter Egg Roll going on at the WH.

You thought the parents at that Easter egg hunt in Connecticut were bad….

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Stanley Sea  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:00:32pm

White House on lock down

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:01:30pm
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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:02:02pm

Word just now circulating here at work about shooting (I work in Southwest DC).

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Jay C  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:02:16pm

re: #66 Skip Intro

Then where did Hercule Poirot come from during WWI?

“Belgium”, but it didn’t exist: Agatha Christie was writing speculative fiction…

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:02:34pm

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

Greta just does Sarah Palin interviews. I mean, “interviews”.

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The Ghost of the Spaghetti Weevil  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:04:08pm

re: #56 Eclectic Cyborg

The guy calls himself HealthRanger.

Good grief.

Dude being “Health Ranger” is the thin chocolate coating around rich nougat of Crazy, But Also Grifting.

I kind of even you that you haven’t encountered this idiot before.

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withak  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:04:16pm

re: #80 Jay C

“Belgium”, but it didn’t exist: Agatha Christie was writing speculative fiction…

There’s also the small problem that Belgium is the most offensive word in the Universe… maybe that has El Rushbo confused.

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Kragar  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:04:20pm

re: #80 Jay C

“Belgium”, but it didn’t exist: Agatha Christie was writing speculative fiction…

The Belgae were a mythological culture like the Atlantaens or Amazons

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lawhawk  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:04:36pm

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

Assumes facts not in evidence. And she certainly isn’t a reporter. Opinionist is more like it.

It’s one thing for someone like myself to ask questions about shots being fired???? but it’s quite another for a “reporter” to ask them - the correct response is we’re checking our sources to find out what is going on and we’ll let you know as soon as we have something confirmed.

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Skip Intro  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:05:49pm

re: #59 Billy Batts

I keep wondering if Limbaugh’s family were slave owners in Missouri back in the good old days Rush pines for.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:05:54pm

re: #85 lawhawk

Assumes facts not in evidence. And she certainly isn’t a reporter. Opinionist is more like it.

It’s one thing for someone like myself to ask questions about shots being fired???? but it’s quite another for a “reporter” to ask them - the correct response is we’re checking our sources to find out what is going on and we’ll let you know as soon as we have something confirmed.

She’s a “journalist” like Rage Furby is a “journalist”.

“Hey, can you guys send me some tips?”

/

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lawhawk  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:06:19pm

Can’t wait to find out how/why this latest display of 2d Amendment prowess occurred. And I’m betting dollars to donuts that it was a good guy with a gun right up until he 2d Amendmented the Capitol Police officer.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:07:21pm

re: #87 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

She’s a “journalist” like Rage Furby is a “journalist”.

“Hey, can you guys send me some tips?”

/

“I’ll only charge you 99¢ for the privilege.”

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The Ghost of the Spaghetti Weevil  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:07:38pm

re: #66 Skip Intro

Belgium was invented by the Congolese to act as a shell corporation for their rubber and lightly-used amputations concern.

They just got a little to deep into the cover story.

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Skip Intro  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:08:18pm

re: #88 lawhawk

Can’t wait to find out how/why this latest display of 2d Amendment prowess occurred. And I’m betting dollars to donuts that it was a good guy with a gun right up until he 2d Amendmented the Capitol Police officer.

I assume the shooter saw a tyrant and was just doing his duty.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:09:21pm

A masochist decided to try to understand Trump’s foreign “policy.”
vox.com

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Great White Snark  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:10:00pm

re: #88 lawhawk

Can’t wait to find out how/why this latest display of 2d Amendment prowess occurred. And I’m betting dollars to donuts that it was a good guy with a gun right up until he 2d Amendmented the Capitol Police officer.

Nobody badly hurt right?
Let’s stick to donuts and I’ll take that bet. Some guy more mentally ill than responsible.
Hey if I lose I’ll just send ya a Dunkin gift card.

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:10:09pm

Let me tell you a little something about crosses and vampires, Alex.

It isn’t the cross, or any holy icon, that repels vampires. It’s faith of the person holding the icon. Honest, bone deep faith. A trait that is rather less common than virginity.

Which is why we never see you in public. You can’t take the chance you might encounter someone with faith. You wouldn’t just be repelled. You’d burst into flames.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:11:17pm

re: #82 The Ghost of a Cunning Plan

I kind of even you that you haven’t encountered this idiot before.

I guess I have been exeptionally lucky lol.

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lawhawk  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:14:07pm

Well, that explains some of the confusion:

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No Country For Old Haters  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:17:00pm

re: #30 The Vicious Babushka

At about the same time that I quit FR forever (in 2009) I noticed that the “quarterly” Freepathons were lasting longer and longer.

It was lose-all-faith-in-humanity bad even before 2009.

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:18:20pm

re: #62 Blind Frog Belly White

More like Health Stranger.

In which case associating with him is definitely an example of Stranger Danger.

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Joe Bacon  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:19:02pm

Just got a BBC news alert that somebody opened fire in the Capitol Visitors Center?????

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HappyWarrior  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:20:38pm

I’m sure we’ll be hearing more guns are needed shortly. I’m fucking tired of these people and their goddamn guns.

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No Country For Old Haters  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:21:05pm

re: #99 Joe Bacon

Just got a BBC news alert that somebody opened fire in the Capitol Visitors Center?????

cnbc.com

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:21:30pm

re: #100 HappyWarrior

Of course.

When the American faith is everywhere then life will be perfect and wonderful forever. /

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No Country For Old Haters  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:22:19pm

re: #100 HappyWarrior

I’m sure we’ll be hearing more guns are needed shortly. I’m fucking tired of these people and their goddamn guns.

Does it count for the wingnut narrative when the good guy with a gun who stops the bad guy is a trained cop, or is that too civilized?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:23:16pm

re: #103 No Country For Old Haters

Does it count for the wingnut narrative when the good guy with a gun who stops the bad guy is a trained cop, or is that too civilized?

Not sure.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:23:22pm
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BeachDem  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:24:40pm

re: #92 Big Beautiful Door

A masochist decided to try to understand Trump’s foreign “policy.”
vox.com

I thought we covered that last night// (complete with flag in Canada)

Trump Foreign Policy
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blueraven  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:26:06pm
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lawhawk  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:26:33pm

re: #105 Backwoods_Sleuth

Think they’re referring to this:

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sagehen  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:31:11pm

re: #92 Big Beautiful Door

A masochist decided to try to understand Trump’s foreign “policy.”
vox.com

Maybe this isn’t a very liberal thing to say, but… I kind of like it that we’re police of the world. ‘Cause just like police of your city, they enforce whatever rules and laws and standards are decided on by whoever signs their paychecks.

If it wasn’t us, maybe it would be China making those decisions. Or Russia. Or who the fuck knows. If letting someone else make those decisions saved me 25% on my taxes, I wouldn’t think it was worth it.

Team America, World Police!! Go!!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:31:27pm

re: #93 Great White Snark

Nobody badly hurt right?
Let’s stick to donuts and I’ll take that bet. Some guy more mentally ill than responsible.
Hey if I lose I’ll just send ya a Dunkin gift card.

So how do we determine the difference between mentally ill and good guy with a gun when out walking, so we can let the cops know and they can intervene before shots are fired?

It’s really easy to say in hindsight that oh, that person was mentally ill - but then how do we take the steps before it reaches this point? Where do you draw the line?

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blueraven  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:33:16pm

re: #110 klys (maker of Silmarils)

So how do we determine the difference between mentally ill and good guy with a gun when out walking, so we can let the cops know and they can intervene before shots are fired?

It’s really easy to say in hindsight that oh, that person was mentally ill - but then how do we take the steps before it reaches this point? Where do you draw the line?

Check the skin color chart. Doh!

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HappyWarrior  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:34:40pm

re: #110 klys (maker of Silmarils)

So how do we determine the difference between mentally ill and good guy with a gun when out walking, so we can let the cops know and they can intervene before shots are fired?

It’s really easy to say in hindsight that oh, that person was mentally ill - but then how do we take the steps before it reaches this point? Where do you draw the line?

Exactly.

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Skip Intro  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:34:52pm

re: #110 klys (maker of Silmarils)

You can’t. They’re all good guys with guns until they aren’t.

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lawhawk  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:35:06pm

Michelle Malkin is probably somewhere upset over this:

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blueraven  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:36:01pm

re: #111 blueraven

Check the skin color chart. Doh!

good guy with a gun = white
mentally ill = white
bad guy with a gun = brown

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Reality Based Steve  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:36:31pm

re: #66 Skip Intro

Then where did Hercule Poirot come from during WWI?

He was actually French. He just PRETENDED to be a Belgie.

RBS

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lawhawk  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:36:36pm

It’s CNN, but still:

While the craziness was going on at the Capitol, apparently someone tried to get into the White House? Nuts.

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Shiplord Kirel  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:38:33pm

re: #86 Skip Intro

I keep wondering if Limbaugh’s family were slave owners in Missouri back in the good old days Rush pines for.

Probably were. The family is high level local gentry in the Cape Girardeau Mo area. The courthouse there (and Rush himself) are named for Rush’s grandfather, a distinguished federal judge. Judge Limbaugh lived to be 104. Rush’s uncle and cousin are federal judges now.

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CuriousLurker  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:38:49pm

I wonder if she understands that Ivanka converted to Judaism, so the baby being born on Easter won’t have any special significance to her or her husband? Why not just say “mazel tov” instead of bringing up a Christian holiday?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:38:59pm

re: #117 lawhawk

It’s CNN, but still:

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While the craziness was going on at the Capitol, apparently someone tried to get into the White House? Nuts.

I saw a tweet earlier that it was another fence jumper.

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Skip Intro  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:40:22pm

re: #117 lawhawk

OK, that simplifies things. Now we can use the color chart to determine his motivations.

good guy with a gun = white
mentally ill = white
bad guy/terrorist with a gun = brown/black

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:41:33pm

re: #117 lawhawk

While the craziness was going on at the Capitol, apparently someone tried to get into the White House? Nuts.

Maybe the first person was a diversion for this second individual?

I know, I know. Irresponsible to speculate. However… :P

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Testy Toad T  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:42:08pm

re: #117 lawhawk

It’s CNN, but still:

While the craziness was going on at the Capitol, apparently someone tried to get into the White House? Nuts.

We need the DHS to invent some lame-o color-coded National Crazifiaction Factor Level.

Right now we’d be at a solid orange.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:43:25pm

re: #118 Shiplord Kirel

Probably were. The family is high level local gentry in the Cape Girardeau Mo. The courthouse there (and Rush himself) are named for Rush’s grandfather, a distinguished federal judge. Judge Limbaugh lived to be 104. Rush’s uncle and cousin are federal judges now.

The current Rush Limbaugh has no children. I never realized that.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:43:25pm

re: #114 lawhawk

Michelle Malkin is probably somewhere upset over this:

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That photo of Trump is so got dam out of date.

Update your profile man.

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451_Montag  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:43:31pm

Is it a thug, terrorist or mentally disabled lone wolf?

Fox news needs their talking point.

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Skip Intro  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:44:18pm

re: #124 Eclectic Cyborg

The current Rush Limbaugh has no children. I never realized that.

Something to be thankful for.

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Great White Snark  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:45:42pm

re: #110 klys (maker of Silmarils)

So how do we determine the difference between mentally ill and good guy with a gun when out walking, so we can let the cops know and they can intervene before shots are fired?

It’s really easy to say in hindsight that oh, that person was mentally ill - but then how do we take the steps before it reaches this point? Where do you draw the line?

That mental health line in particular is a tidemark of how badly we have abandoned the mentally ill. And failed to connect the dots that already exist in law to prevent the dangerously mentally ill from buying guns.

Imagine if we had kept the mental health system intact in the era when we got lead out of gasoline and reduced violence pretty much across the board.

Then of course universal registration etc etc would be a huge help. Now just gonna point out I’m guessing, not declaring. Just might owe that dozen.

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unproven innocence  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:45:52pm

re: #124 Eclectic Cyborg

The current Rush Limbaugh has no children. I never realized that.

Isn’t he rich enough to rent some? /

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lawhawk  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:46:19pm

400+ delegates at stake in those states, and he lost them badly. But hey, Bernie won a handful of states with 129 delegates at stake, and that’s momentum!

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sagehen  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:46:35pm

re: #124 Eclectic Cyborg

The current Rush Limbaugh has no children. I never realized that.

In spite of having been married 4 times.

Things that make you go hmmmm….

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Testy Toad T  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:47:21pm

re: #130 lawhawk

Shorter Tweet:

Sanders advisor: “I’m with stupid”

Proportional delegations, how the fuck do they work?

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:48:25pm

re: #120 Backwoods_Sleuth

I saw a tweet earlier that it was another fence jumper.

Easter Bunny?

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Reality Based Steve  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:48:50pm

re: #124 Eclectic Cyborg

The current Rush Limbaugh has no children. I never realized that.

But he is on wife number 4, so it’s not like he wasn’t trying. ////

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:49:49pm

re: #134 Reality Based Steve

But he is on wife number 4, so it’s not like he wasn’t trying. ////

Four infertile wives. Imagine that.

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Testy Toad T  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:51:21pm

re: #135 Barefoot Grin

Four infertile wives. Imagine that.

I think a warren of rabbits would be rendered infertile if Rush Limbaugh came within thirty yards.

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ObserverArt  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:54:36pm

re: #128 Great White Snark

That mental health line in particular is a tidemark of how badly we have abandoned the mentally ill. And failed to connect the dots that already exist in law to prevent the dangerously mentally ill from buying guns.

Imagine if we had kept the mental health system intact in the era when we got lead out of gasoline and reduced violence pretty much across the board.

Then of course universal registration etc etc would be a huge help. Now just gonna point out I’m guessing, not declaring. Just might owe that dozen.

I think klys had a good question. Are you up to actually answer it? You haven’t.

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Shiplord Kirel  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:54:40pm

re: #131 sagehen

re: #135 Barefoot Grin

re: #131 sagehen

re: #124 Eclectic Cyborg

Rush’s grandfather was a very wise and humane man by most accounts. Maybe the family recognized the danger early and took, uh, necessary steps.

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The Ghost of the Spaghetti Weevil  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:55:31pm

re: #119 CuriousLurker

I wonder if she understands that Ivanka converted to Judaism, so the baby being born on Easter won’t have any special significance to her or her husband? Why not just say “mazel tov” instead of bringing up a Christian holiday?

Because, in all likelihood, the tweet is not actually addressed to the new parents, and thus does not address their beliefs or etiquette. Rather, Palin is performing for an audience of her…um, “fans.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:58:36pm
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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:58:54pm

re: #119 CuriousLurker

re: #139 The Ghost of a Cunning Plan

Notice that she doesn’t actually address the tweet to them.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:59:10pm

re: #130 lawhawk

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400+ delegates at stake in those states, and he lost them badly. But hey, Bernie won a handful of states with 129 delegates at stake, and that’s momentum!

He could have done much better here than he did. But as I said earlier, I think Devine is a bit of a dummy.

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BeachDem  Mar 28, 2016 • 12:59:14pm

re: #119 CuriousLurker

I wonder if she understands that Ivanka converted to Judaism, so the baby being born on Easter won’t have any special significance to her or her husband? Why not just say “mazel tov” instead of bringing up a Christian holiday?

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I wonder if she knows she misspelled the little tyke’s name?

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withak  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:00:11pm

I’ve finally gotten around to listening to the Trump interview on WTMJ from downstairs.

Wow. Incoherent rambling, inability to stick to topics/answer questions, just total bullshit.

If this doesn’t mark the beginning of the derailment of the Trump Train, it’s a nice preview of how Hillary will dismantle Trump in debates.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:00:12pm

re: #143 BeachDem

I wonder if she knows she misspelled the little tyke’s name?

Ha Thedore.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:00:20pm

re: #140 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wow, that’s an inferno. Holy shit.

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Lidane  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:00:37pm
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Reality Based Steve  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:01:42pm

re: #140 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wasn’t there a major fire at an apartment building in UAE just a month or two ago also? I

RBS

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:02:26pm

re: #1 HappyWarrior

Jones is either mentally disturbed or one of the biggest con men of all time or perhaps a little of both. I love how he’s paranoid as shit about Obama but trusts Trump all the way.

He knows that ODS is such a pronounced illness among his audience that nothing bad that he says about Obama will be seen as too extreme or incredible.

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sagehen  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:02:38pm

re: #148 Reality Based Steve

Wasn’t there a major fire at an apartment building in UAE just a month or two ago also? I

RBS

I think that was Dubai.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:02:58pm

re: #148 Reality Based Steve

Wasn’t there a major fire at an apartment building in UAE just a month or two ago also? I

RBS

I believe so.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:03:20pm

re: #149 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

He knows that ODS is such a pronounced illness among his audience that nothing bad that he says about Obama will be seen as too extreme or incredible.

To be fair though, he was saying wacky shit about Bush too.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:04:19pm

re: #140 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That is the third large structure fire I’ve seen in the UAE that just zipped up the side of a tower as if there were no fire doors and the stairwells were made out of wood. They really need to fix their building codes and enforce the changes retroactively.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:04:29pm

re: #119 CuriousLurker

I wonder if she understands…..

Sarah Palin? No, I don’t believe so.

/

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HappyWarrior  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:04:48pm

It is windy as hell at there.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:05:13pm

re: #49 Billy Batts

Because I like to keep my enemies closer, I tuned in to Rush and heard a great history lesson today! Belgium was created after WWII as a buffer between France and Germany. Never mind that Belgium declared their independence from the Netherlands in 1830. Off by only 115 years.

And it was in fact conceived as a political buffer zone.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:05:21pm

re: #119 CuriousLurker

I wonder if she understands that Ivanka converted to Judaism, so the baby being born on Easter won’t have any special significance to her or her husband? Why not just say “mazel tov” instead of bringing up a Christian holiday?

Good gawd, Sarah…..

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Skip Intro  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:05:47pm
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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:06:23pm

re: #152 HappyWarrior

To be fair though, he was saying wacky shit about Bush too.

Like W Bush personally burned down the Trade Center towers? Hey, it would be irresponsible not to…

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MsJ  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:06:39pm

re: #10 HappyWarrior

Very well. I’d love to see Jones off the radio waves. I imagine it’s a totally different character.

Pee Wee Herman vs. Emo Phillips. Herman is a normal guy offstage. Phillips lives in his persona on and off stage and it weirds people out.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:07:27pm

A second tower in the complex is now on fire.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:08:05pm

re: #148 Reality Based Steve

Wasn’t there a major fire at an apartment building in UAE just a month or two ago also? I

RBS

That was the Andress Hotel fire.

And there was another early in 2015, at the aptly named Torch Tower.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:08:49pm

re: #152 HappyWarrior

To be fair though, he was saying wacky shit about Bush too.

Well Bush is the head of the Illuminati……

//

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:11:04pm

re: #141 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Notice that she doesn’t actually address the tweet to them.

[Palin]Wait…you can tweet at people? [/Palin]

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:14:53pm

re: #163 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Well Bush is the head of the Illuminati……

//

That’s a head-scratcher.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:15:17pm

re: #158 Skip Intro

Needs the “Make America Great Again” Hat but otherwise spot on.

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blueraven  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:19:49pm

Capitol Police news conference soon.
One Capitol police officer wounded but not by firearm.
Capitol Police familiar with suspect.
Said to have “mental issues”.
Only shot fired was by Capitol police.
Suspect taken to hospital.

Just saw video of suspect loaded into ambulance. Appears to be white male.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:20:45pm

Bernie backers targeting Clinton supporters in Utah legislative races

A group of Bernie Sanders’ supporters wants to bring his “political revolution” to Utah’s Legislature, signing up to run for office and even challenging a few sitting Democrats who support Hillary Clinton.

The United Progressive Coalition is trying to harness Sanders’ overwhelming support in Utah — he got nearly 80 percent of the caucus vote — to help a slate of nine local candidates; in doing so, they’ve caused some consternation in the state’s liberal establishment.

“I don’t understand the motives they have in challenging Democrats who fight so hard for their seats and have kept the seats from Republicans for many years,” said Rep. Carol Spackman Moss, D-Holladay, who met with Clinton’s daughter, Chelsea, during a campaign stop. “To me, that is irrelevant, who I’m supporting for president, or it should be. What does it have to do with state government?”

Her Democratic opponent, Aubrey Lucas, said she respects Moss, called her a “great representative” and believes “she is well loved in my community,” but she suggested the incumbent’s 16 years in office has been long enough.

“Why not be able to offer a fresh voice?” said Lucas, 34, who works for Intermountain Healthcare in information technology.

Apparently, Utah doesn’t have enough Republican office holders in state government to target….

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:21:26pm

re: #167 blueraven

Capitol Police familiar with suspect.
Said to have “mental issues”.

Well that would describe a lot of people in this town…..

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b_sharp  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:22:27pm

re: #168 Backwoods_Sleuth

Bernie backers targeting Clinton supporters in Utah legislative races

Apparently, Utah doesn’t have enough Republican office holders in state government to target….

The left’s version of the Tea Party.

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MsJ  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:23:32pm

re: #144 withak

I’ve finally gotten around to listening to the Trump interview on WTMJ from downstairs.

Wow. Incoherent rambling, inability to stick to topics/answer questions, just total bullshit.

If this doesn’t mark the beginning of the derailment of the Trump Train, it’s a nice preview of how Hillary will dismantle Trump in debates.

Maybe not so much.

washingtonpost.com

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Charles Johnson  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:23:46pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:25:43pm

re: #167 blueraven

Capitol Police news conference soon.
One Capitol police officer wounded but not by firearm.
Capitol Police familiar with suspect.
Said to have “mental issues”.
Only shot fired was by Capitol police.
Suspect taken to hospital.

Just saw video of suspect loaded into ambulance. Appears to be white male.

Imagine that.

//

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Belafon  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:26:13pm

re: #172 Charles Johnson

Our xenophobia, racism, and misogyny on the left completely led to millions of Republicans voting for Trump.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:27:01pm

Wow, that Intercept article really is amazing. Aren’t they supposed to be a progressive site? It’s indistinguishable from National Review.

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Reality Based Steve  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:27:30pm

There was (is) a petition at change.org to allow open carry at the Quicken Loans Arena in Cleveland for the GOP Convention. It’s still not clear if it was an actual effort by some RWJNs or a carefully staged Poe action. In any case, the RWNJs were all supporting it.

Well guess what…. the no-fun-allowed Secret Service has nixed the idea of “Guns-N-Conventions”. I’m sure that the predictable outrage will occur, because, well, day of week ending in “y”.

RBS

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:28:07pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

Wow, that Intercept article really is amazing. Aren’t they supposed to be a progressive site? It’s indistinguishable from National Review.

The Far Left and Far Right are shockingly in alignment on a great many things.

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gwangung  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:28:13pm

re: #168 Backwoods_Sleuth

Bernie backers targeting Clinton supporters in Utah legislative races

Apparently, Utah doesn’t have enough Republican office holders in state government to target….

Does this slate have a distinctly different platform from the incumbents? Where are there distinct differences? Have they tried to get sitting officeholders to go along with their platform. It’s not clear from the article.

I think it’s part of the game to run more progressive candidates, but if they haven’t tried to persuade people, it’s seems more of a naked power grab than anything to do with a progressive platform.

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wrenchwench  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:28:15pm

re: #172 Charles Johnson

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Jenner7  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:28:20pm

Shocking. Not shocking.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:28:25pm
Ajman: A huge fire gutted at least two buildings in the Ajman One residential cluster of 12 towers close to the border with Sharjah on Monday night. Fire mainly damaged Tower 1.

Okay this is really bad. One of the main things a proper fire code is designed to prevent is fire spreading from one large structure to the next like this, so that entire cities don’t burn. This probably means the flame front got so big that the shear amount of radiant heat emitted started igniting shit in the neighboring tower. Another indicator that lax code and enforcement is to blame for all three fires in the last 13 months.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:28:33pm

re: #176 Reality Based Steve

If that was a Poe, it was fucking brilliant.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:28:38pm
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wrenchwench  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:29:13pm

re: #177 Eclectic Cyborg

The Far Left and Far Right are shockingly in alignment on a great many things.

They meet around back, by the trash cans.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:31:36pm

re: #128 Great White Snark

That mental health line in particular is a tidemark of how badly we have abandoned the mentally ill. And failed to connect the dots that already exist in law to prevent the dangerously mentally ill from buying guns.

Imagine if we had kept the mental health system intact in the era when we got lead out of gasoline and reduced violence pretty much across the board.

Then of course universal registration etc etc would be a huge help. Now just gonna point out I’m guessing, not declaring. Just might owe that dozen.

Okay, I’ll be blunter: under what framework would you be okay with allowing a doctor to make a determination that someone’s firearms need to be removed? What is the timeline? How long does a person need to be considered “dangerously mentally ill” (and what does that even mean) before this step is allowed? When are you comfortable allowing them to have those weapons back, keeping in mind that while under treatment they may be fine but once they stop taking medication (which happens all too often), the transition back to where they were without treatment can happen quickly and without supervision?

Those are the questions that need real answers, and you have previously expressed frustration with bills that have tried to address some of these issues because they haven’t done enough to protect the rights of the gun owner. So now I’m asking for clarification, since you were quite happy to go straight to “mentally ill” as a reason this guy wasn’t a responsible gun owner.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:33:34pm

re: #172 Charles Johnson

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New York Post is liberal?

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gocart mozart  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:36:33pm

10 Things I Hate About Commandments

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blueraven  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:37:34pm

Suspect name per Pete Williams NBC, Larry Russell Dawson.

Shouted out that he was a Prophet of God.

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piratedan  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:37:44pm

well, they’re absolutely right. By Obama running for public office and being elected on a platform of doing common sense things to improve the lot of generic Americans he caused the GOP to simply lose there ever-lovin minds over a black man being elected to the highest office in the land. Direct cause and effect. These guys can’t even be bothered to listen to what Obama says, evidence is clear that no matter what he says they can’t abide it as it turns into Peanuts Adult speak as far as they are concerned.

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lawhawk  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:37:49pm

re: #186 HappyWarrior

They’re claiming his behavior is one that makes him a liberal - the source is irrelevant.

By that measure, anyone who engages in those actions is liberal (so much easier to go to no true conservative, when you excise all GOPers who engage in marital infidelity, corruption, etc, or seek massive amounts of wealth on the backs of others).

/just kidding on the strike-through bit, considering that is what the GOP wants to do normally.

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Billy Batts  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:38:01pm

Yesterday, I bet my wingnut cousin $1,000 that Hillary beats Trump in the general. I like my chances.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:41:06pm

Good luck with that, Tad.

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lawhawk  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:41:38pm

re: #192 goddamnedfrank

Bernie’s also trying to claim that there’s no enthusiasm about Hillary. Except Gallup tells a different tale:

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Great White Snark  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:42:28pm

re: #137 ObserverArt

I think klys had a good question. Are you up to actually answer it? You haven’t.

It seems obvious there will be no quick glance street diagnosis ever. Either rhetorical or a near impossible premise. So answered as best as I thought I could. An answer that speaks to prevention in both venues-mental health and gun control. .

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Charles Johnson  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:43:28pm
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blueraven  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:44:45pm

re: #188 blueraven

Suspect name per Pete Williams NBC, Larry Russell Dawson.

Shouted out that he was a Prophet of God.

1. In October 2015, Larry Dawson interrupted a house session. The Daily Beast reported at the time that Dawson burst into the House chamber on a Thursday afternoon and declared himself to be a “prophet of God.” He was later accused of assaulting a police officer.

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Belafon  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:45:57pm

Here’s my prediction: Sanders will win every caucus held on November 8th.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:46:40pm

re: #92 Big Beautiful Door

A masochist decided to try to understand Trump’s foreign “policy.”
vox.com

Holy fucking shit! I read the Vox article and it’s frightening. There’s nothing more dangerous than giving power to someone totally ignorant of how things work, while thinking he doesn’t need to learn anything. He really reasons like a low level mafia boss.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:47:32pm

re: #190 lawhawk

They’re claiming his behavior is one that makes him a liberal - the source is irrelevant.

By that measure, anyone who engages in those actions is liberal (so much easier to go to no true conservative, when you excise all GOPers who engage in marital infidelity, corruption, etc, or seek massive amounts of wealth on the backs of others).

/just kidding on the strike-through bit, considering that is what the GOP wants to do normally.

It’s so fucking stupid. Trump is running as a right winger and Trump has been embraced by the right wing. This shit is just fucking tiresome.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:50:51pm

re: #193 lawhawk

Bernie’s also trying to claim that there’s no enthusiasm about Hillary. Except Gallup tells a different tale:

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Bernie wants to create a false narrative that people are reluctantly supporting Clinton only because of electability and as your poll shows, that’s just not true.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:53:16pm

re: #200 HappyWarrior

Bernie wants to create a false narrative that people are reluctantly supporting Clinton only because of electability and as your poll shows, that’s just not true.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:53:17pm

re: #192 goddamnedfrank

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Good luck with that, Tad.

We’ll win the superdelegates even as we lose in the popular vote. I mean color me unimpressed that Bernie won the Alaska and Hawaii caucuses with a combined vote just north of 30,000. Congratulations to him for winning those but don’t fucking trumpet that shit as a triumph of Democracy and then ignore when he gets his ass kicked in much bigger primaries.

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lawhawk  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:54:17pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:54:52pm

sigh…

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HappyWarrior  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:54:59pm

re: #203 lawhawk

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But there is for church, going out drinking, in schools, etc for the people attending that convention.

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Lidane  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:55:32pm

Mental health break from the stupid:

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Jay C  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:57:31pm

re: #193 lawhawk

Bernie’s also trying to claim that there’s no enthusiasm about Hillary. Except Gallup tells a different tale:

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Hey! Sanders thoroughly beats Clinton in the “not at all enthusiastic” category - 9% to 10%! Feel the Bern!!!!

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HappyWarrior  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:57:45pm

re: #204 Backwoods_Sleuth

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sigh…

He talks about them being abandoned by the national Democratic party yet he’s the one who by his own admission won’t campaign for down ticket candidates, makes tons of excuses when he loses these states, etc. I’m sorry but I ain’t buying it Bernie and frankly a lot of the reason why these working class Democrats abandoned the Democratic party is their own prejudices. And Bernie, they also freak out at the very word socialist too.

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whitebeach  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:58:00pm

re: #191 Billy Batts

Yesterday, I bet my wingnut cousin $1,000 that Hillary beats Trump in the general. I like my chances.

Oooh, be careful with this kind of bet. For example, if Trump doesn’t get the nomination, who actually wins the $1K?

One of the most famous bets ever placed in New York was between two guys in the Lion’s Head bar on the eve of the Belmont Stakes that Secretariat won by a record margin. The first guy bet that the great horse would win by thirty lengths, the second said no way. When they met afterward, guy the first demanded payment. Guy the second said uh-uh, you owe me. Why? Because you bet he’d win by thirty lengths, whereas in the official results he won by thirty-one.

Don’t know how or if it was ever settled.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2016 • 1:58:57pm

re: #208 HappyWarrior

He talks about them being abandoned by the national Democratic party yet he’s the one who by his own admission won’t campaign for down ticket candidates, makes tons of excuses when he loses these states, etc. I’m sorry but I ain’t buying it Bernie and frankly a lot of the reason why these working class Democrats abandoned the Democratic party is their own prejudices. And Bernie, they also freak out at the very word socialist too.

Note that that was how he expressed himself in 2013.
He hasn’t changed in that opinion one bit.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 28, 2016 • 2:00:22pm

I’m sorry if it comes off as if I dislike Bernie. I actually greatly appreciate a lot of what he stands for but I think he’s really got some terrible awareness when it comes to political realities. Those white working class voters were disgusted when the national Democratic party starting with LBJ mostly decided that the promise of the New Deal and Great Society should extend to people of all races. Not all white working class voters are bigots mind you but bigotry certainly did play a role in why they went to the Republican Party. And what Bernie doesn’t seem to want to acknowledge is that socially progressive values are just as important as his values.

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Belafon  Mar 28, 2016 • 2:01:28pm

re: #204 Backwoods_Sleuth

sigh…

Because Democrats have won the presidency by winning a majority of white voters.

///

I prefer winning large segments of every group.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 28, 2016 • 2:04:50pm

Hmmm…
Larry Russell Dawson, of Antioch Tennessee, identified as latest nut-bag to visit the US Capitol, before he was a “Prophet from GOD” may have been a Funeral Director and Enbalmer

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HappyWarrior  Mar 28, 2016 • 2:06:10pm

re: #212 Belafon

Because Democrats have won the presidency by winning a majority of white voters.

///

I prefer winning large segments of every group.

Indeed. The current Democratic party coalition is quite representative of the country as a whole. It doesn’t bother me that the Democrats don’t have a majority of the white vote. It would bother me far more if they struggled with minority voters. That the Democratic party can represent college educated secular whites like myself but also African-Americans, Hispanics, and Asians of all backgrounds is a positive to me. Honestly, the white working class’ exodus from the Democratic party is largely on them. It’s not like the Republicans actually listen to their concerns. Bernie seems to think that we can reverse a lot of the jobs that we’ve lost over the past couple generations due to trade and as much as those manufacturing jobs gave jobs to many in my own family, economic reality says they’re not coming back. What we can do is invest in those areas and even when we do that, we still get crap.

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Lidane  Mar 28, 2016 • 2:08:00pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 28, 2016 • 2:18:42pm

re: #206 Lidane

That is so cute!!!

I have grown to appreciate Star Wars. It may not be a “Smart” thing, but it is big and full of love. And that is a good thing.

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Kragar  Mar 28, 2016 • 2:23:58pm

A few days after voting to kill a proposal to protect LGBT individuals from discrimination in Nebraska, Republican state Sen. Bill Kintner took to talk radio to explain why “men in dresses” don’t deserve protected class status.

What followed was a heated discussion of LGBT rights, marked by level of candor rarely seen in national politics. Kintner argued that there are no problems with discrimination in Nebraska; that the Constitution allows people to violate gay individuals’ civil rights; and that businesses should be able to “make it known” if they don’t want to serve LGBT people by providing them with bad service.

Kintner also challenged Nebraskans to elect him out of office if they don’t like his positions on LGBT equality.

“When there’s a majority of people in our state that thinks [LBGT rights are an] important issue, and thinks that they want representation to do that, it’ll happen,” Kintner said. “There were 40,000 people who elected me to represent them … they sent me down here to do this job.”

Shorter: “I’m a bigot who doesn’t care about civil rights for people if they can’t vote me out of office.”

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Kragar  Mar 28, 2016 • 2:25:11pm
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Le Lapin Tueur  Mar 28, 2016 • 2:25:30pm

re: #124 Eclectic Cyborg

The current Rush Limbaugh has no children. I never realized that.

This is Very Good Thing.

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wrenchwench  Mar 28, 2016 • 2:27:37pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2016 • 2:33:06pm
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CuriousLurker  Mar 28, 2016 • 2:38:58pm

Just FYI—let’s see if the right keeps being outraged about it now:

Easter bombing in Pakistan targeted Christians, killed mostly Muslims
A breakaway Taliban group, known as Jamaat-ul-Ahrar, said it targeted Pakistan’s Christian community. But most of the 70 dead and 300 wounded in Lahore were Muslims.

Even though a breakaway Taliban group, known as Jamaat-ul-Ahrar, said it specifically targeted Pakistan’s Christian community, most of those killed in Lahore were Muslims, who were also gathered in the park for the Sunday weekend holiday. The park is a popular spot in the heart of Lahore.

Of the dead, 14 have been identified as Christians, according to Lahore Police Superintendent Mohammed Iqbal. Another 12 bodies have not yet been identified, he said. […]

Ahsanullah Ahsan, a spokesman for the breakaway Taliban faction, told The Associated Press late Sunday that along with deliberately targeting Christians celebrating Easter, the attack also meant to protest Pakistan’s military operation in the tribal regions. The same militant group also took responsibility for the twin bombings of a Christian Church in Lahore last year. […]

csmonitor.com

Pakistan seriously needs to get its shit together. They have freaking nukes. The world doesn’t need a failed state taken over by religious extremists with access to such things.

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BeachDem  Mar 28, 2016 • 2:39:06pm

re: #218 Kragar

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And Hillary won every county. (But that’s because southron and low-info voters who didn’t know Bernie and voted against self-interest and didn’t have internet and shenanigans and reasons…)
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wrenchwench  Mar 28, 2016 • 2:39:54pm

re: #221 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Future JD SJWs! There’s hope!

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Lidane  Mar 28, 2016 • 2:40:56pm

Facebook Post

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Great White Snark  Mar 28, 2016 • 2:41:15pm

re: #185 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Okay, I’ll be blunter: under what framework would you be okay with allowing a doctor to make a determination that someone’s firearms need to be removed? What is the timeline? How long does a person need to be considered “dangerously mentally ill” (and what does that even mean) before this step is allowed? When are you comfortable allowing them to have those weapons back, keeping in mind that while under treatment they may be fine but once they stop taking medication (which happens all too often), the transition back to where they were without treatment can happen quickly and without supervision?

Those are the questions that need real answers, and you have previously expressed frustration with bills that have tried to address some of these issues because they haven’t done enough to protect the rights of the gun owner. So now I’m asking for clarification, since you were quite happy to go straight to “mentally ill” as a reason this guy wasn’t a responsible gun owner.

I would have to refer much of that to the professionals. Your question(s) fall in their world. Me? I would start with about where we used to be or still have by way of standards of incarceration for treatment or eval Those having been incarcerated have to get the right restored if ever by a doctors letter and then a judge. They lose the guns pending adjudication. You don’t ditch due process like that dumb idea about the no fly listing ending your right to possess. You do fund the work/studies required. Build on what we have left. Get the best data we can and act according to the data. Objectively, as we are talking medical rules and diagnosis as applied to an individual right simply as a matter of law.

Again a premise I must reject on the face of it-The idea that a person that becomes dangerous to themselves or others by way of a lack of medication would be allowed to buy a gun. Um, nope. Again I defer to mental health doc and a judge in that order. Perhaps you expected me to feel differently on that one.

I sometimes speak to gun issues here. But I also see those societal cast offs what with working downtown and riding public transit. People left drooling on the street because the justice system has no tools but incarcerate, release repeat. Or “treat and street” without mandatory follow up even attempted. Have a pill then gtfo. The quiet violence of benign neglect one might say.

I can’t stop the NRA from opposing research, nor from using mental illness as an anti gun control lever.

What I can do is look at my experience and call it as I see it. When it’s non gun violence very few question looking into the mental health of the perpetrators. Hmm. When it’s a gun many do question that. I guess that’s a reaction to the NRA lobby and LaPierre much more than an objective look at cause and effect.

Said it before, but addressing the roots of violence (including suicide) solves many kinds of violence. Gun control, as powerful as it could be only addresses gun violence. There are countless kinds if injured, and many ways to injure. Want me more likely to eschew the gun option at home or at work? Reduce the threat and keep the gun controls reasonable, unlike what some propose here in California. More like what we have already actually.

So as far as I can reason this through, we do this on multiple levels and avoid that whole dumb either or lobbyist approach. Within reason and due process-Mental health infrastructure/research and gun control.

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ObserverArt  Mar 28, 2016 • 2:42:22pm

re: #194 Great White Snark

It seems obvious there will be no quick glance street diagnosis ever. Either rhetorical or a near impossible premise. So answered as best as I thought I could. An answer that speaks to prevention in both venues-mental health and gun control. .

And that sucks.

I know we are never going to get anywhere, but I don’t think our current gun laws are constitutional. I see issues like this as against the very spirit of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

I am not guaranteed those rights (life, liberty and the pursuit of justice) when someone with a gun can so easily take them from me. I see that as unarguable.

I also know that for many doing what Australia did is never going to happen, but I wish we would take a strong look at it.

This all makes me so sick.

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 28, 2016 • 2:47:59pm

re: #124 Eclectic Cyborg

The current Rush Limbaugh has no children. I never realized that.

Thank Christ for that!

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 28, 2016 • 2:48:47pm

re: #109 sagehen

Remember how that turned out in Afghanistan and Iraq?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2016 • 2:49:37pm
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Romantic Heretic  Mar 28, 2016 • 2:50:39pm

re: #143 BeachDem

I wonder if she knows she misspelled the little tyke’s name?

Spelling is for liberals.

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Great White Snark  Mar 28, 2016 • 2:57:28pm

re: #227 ObserverArt

Okay, I get that. What would you allow a person to have for self defense? What would you find a reasonable tool to allow a person a chance to stop the threat at home, their place of business or on their property? Say a person of limited physical means but at genuine risk?

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Great White Snark  Mar 28, 2016 • 3:02:22pm

re: #111 blueraven

Check the skin color chart. Doh!

Hey! That’s not me. Not by a long ways.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 28, 2016 • 3:04:02pm
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Great White Snark  Mar 28, 2016 • 3:04:35pm

re: #113 Skip Intro

You can’t. They’re all good guys with guns until they aren’t.

Odd, so few question that you can, or should at least try when it’s anything but a gun. Would that be a perception or a data problem?

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ObserverArt  Mar 28, 2016 • 3:18:55pm

re: #232 Great White Snark

Okay, I get that. What would you allow a person to have for self defense? What would you find a reasonable tool to allow a person a chance to stop the threat at home, their place of business or on their property? Say a person of limited physical means but at genuine risk?

I am only expressing my own complete frustration. Sorry. I really have nothing in the onslaught of existing guns and their owners and political cacophony that exists. So much of the ship has sailed that it may be near impossible to turn it back.

I have said before I think a .20 gauge shotgun would be a decent home protector. I still find it sad that I would need it. That’s just me.

I am however going to study the Australian laws, implementations and reactions.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 28, 2016 • 3:20:17pm

re: #226 Great White Snark

Just saying, you come across as very strongly advocating for gun ownership repeatedly, and have very stringent requirements on how states can implement programs to remove guns from those who might be a danger to themselves or others. There’s a reason people are going to be skeptical.

(And yes, I have read the lawsuit documents, keeping in mind that they were written as a persuasive argument because that’s what they are. My favorite part is the whole “by having any kind of reporting system, you create a chilling atmosphere where people are going to not get treatment because they might lose their guns” argument on page 30.)

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Great White Snark  Mar 28, 2016 • 3:38:34pm

re: #237 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Due process is fair and allows the accused an opportunity to address the situation/accusation. I still think insomnia can safely be set aside as reason to deny a gun purchase. They overstepped with the SAFE act. Heck you can feel the strain just by the acronym, trying so hard to appear reasonable. But actually not.

The points were persuasive, and not just by clever lawyer design, but by egregious application of a vague statute.

I treat this as a right. After all it actually is. So the bar to remove it is higher than mere permission. Rightly so under our system.

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Great White Snark  Mar 28, 2016 • 3:42:22pm

Would anyone like to address my point made to Skip and Klys? Why when it’s a knife, a car, a club or poison we accept the idea that the mental state of the person, a lack of treatment may have contributed but so many want to reject that when it’s a gun? What is the logical justification for that uneven distinction?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 28, 2016 • 3:49:53pm

re: #239 Great White Snark

Would anyone like to address my point made to Skip and Klys? Why when it’s a knife, a car, a club or poison we accept the idea that the mental state of the person, a lack of treatment may have contributed but so many want to reject that when it’s a gun?

Why do so many conservatives only care about mental health treatment when guns are used for the crime?

Seriously, it comes across as an excuse seeking to distract from the accessibility of guns in this country. Coupled with how easy it is to kill people, potentially in large numbers using a gun, along with the fact that it turns out the kind of “mentally ill” people who do this sort of things are generally not the ones picked up by the kind of standard you want to use (a point made by the lawsuit you posted last month) - no, I can’t imagine why people would be focusing on the weapon used and the fact that no one wants to do anything about that accessibility. Meanwhile the handwringing will continue over mental health - ignoring the part where any kind of reporting system is seen by many gun owners as a “chilling effect” because they might lose their guns - and nothing will actually be done because it’s all lip service to try and distract from the fact that other countries don’t have this problem on a regular basis, even when they don’t have fantastic mental health programs.

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Jay C  Mar 28, 2016 • 3:51:05pm

re: #217 Kragar

What a jackhole: and bad at electoral math, as Republicans usually are. According to the State’s data, Kintner’s district (Dist.2 of Nebraska’s unicameral legislature) only has about 28,000 people of voting age in it. So when he brags about those “40,000 voters”, either
1. He’s bullshitting.
2. Can’t count.
3. Actually won election with a unanimous vote with a 142% margin.

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Great White Snark  Mar 28, 2016 • 4:10:28pm

re: #240 klys (maker of Silmarils)

You have answered a question with another. I don’t answer for or defend those conservatives because I don’t agree with them. And I’m respectfully asking you not to lump me in there, as I have made every effort to show where I disagree. And why. Are you saying you don’t agree with the unfair distinction I point out or do?

And that chilling effect is understandable given the vague and unfair nature of that statute as applies to due process as established for most anything else by way of taking away a right. Write a strict law, get less objections. vague laws are at worst unconstitutional and at best problematic for the courts for very good reason. Vague is not allowed. Neither is capricious or discriminatory. We like it like that, yes?

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Decatur Deb  Mar 28, 2016 • 4:15:44pm

re: #222 CuriousLurker

Just FYI—let’s see if the right keeps being outraged about it now:

Pakistan seriously needs to get its shit together. They have freaking nukes. The world doesn’t need a failed state taken over by religious extremists with access to such things.

We are helping them secure their nukes, though India fears there could be a ‘hidden’ arsenal.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 28, 2016 • 4:16:57pm

re: #242 Great White Snark

You have answered a question with another. I don’t answer for or defend those conservatives because I don’t agree with them. And I’m respectfully asking you not to lump me in there, as I have made every effort to show where I disagree. And why. Are you saying you don’t agree with the unfair distinction I point out or do?

And that chilling effect is understandable given the vague and unfair nature of that statute as applies to due process as established for most anything else by way of taking away a right. Write a strict law, get less objections. vague laws are at worst unconstitutional and at best problematic for the courts for very good reason. Vague is not allowed. Neither is capricious or discriminatory. We like it like that, yes?

Any law that leaves it up to the discretion of the professional, as you say you want, is going to have some level of vagueness. I’m not going to disagree that there needs to be a process to make sure that mistakes are fixed, but I am also going to err on the side of human lives. The state had apparently made an administrative decision in that case to make it less vague by having a clear cut criteria for what qualified instead of allowing professional judgement. I don’t necessarily think that was 100% the right decision, but it’s worth noting there was a process he could have gone through to restore his license other than the lawsuit. He chose the lawsuit.

You may not agree with those conservatives but your immediate choice of points fell right in line. Hence the frustration. And you continue to try to point to this as a more important issue without addressing the second part - why are rates of gun violence so much lower in other countries that likewise have shitty mental health programs in place? What might possibly be different?

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Decatur Deb  Mar 28, 2016 • 4:17:33pm

re: #232 Great White Snark

Okay, I get that. What would you allow a person to have for self defense? What would you find a reasonable tool to allow a person a chance to stop the threat at home, their place of business or on their property? Say a person of limited physical means but at genuine risk?

A strong, healthy community.

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majii  Mar 28, 2016 • 5:10:09pm

re: #42 Billy Batts
@Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Now you guys know that in wingnut world, you’re liars, don’t you? Wingnuts have a very annoying ability to ignore the truth in instances in which they believe the opposite of reality.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 28, 2016 • 5:13:57pm

re: #244 klys (maker of Silmarils)

…snip…And you continue to try to point to this as a more important issue without addressing the second part - why are rates of gun violence so much lower in other countries that likewise have shitty mental health programs in place? What might possibly be different?

Oooo! Oooo! I know this one!!!!
///

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Great White Snark  Mar 28, 2016 • 7:09:52pm

re: #240 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Why do so many conservatives only care about mental health treatment when guns are used for the crime?

Seriously, it comes across as an excuse seeking to distract from the accessibility of guns in this country.

Given my repeated clarification about the why of my feelings on taking mental health as seriously in gun crime as in any other crime… At this point you are simply insisting I mean something I don’t and than holding that against my position.

How about this. You don’t overlay my opinion with Wayne LaPierre and I will return the favor by not burdening yours with Gavin Newsom who is orchestrating a handgun ban her in California an inch at a time. .

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 28, 2016 • 7:14:48pm

re: #248 Great White Snark

Given my repeated clarification about the why of my feelings on taking mental health as seriously in gun crime as in any other crime… At this point you are simply insisting I mean something I don’t and than holding that against my position.

How about this. You don’t overlay my opinion with Wayne LaPierre and I will return the favor by not burdening yours with Gavin Newsom who is orchestrating a handgun ban her in California an inch at a time. .

No, I was pointing out how a lot of people approach it. There was no place where I said “you.” The word “you” does not appear anywhere in that response. If anything, I was trying to supply a framework for you to understand why coming in and waving around “mental illness” is going to provoke a hostile reaction in a situation like this.

How is what I said inaccurate?

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Great White Snark  Mar 28, 2016 • 8:33:46pm

re: #249 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Just can’t account for other people. To the degree that I get lumped in with those I disagree with overall despite a couple shared points, well it is what it is. The “you” was implied, since that’s not what you meant my complaint is withdrawn. Thanks for making the distinction.

Thing is I don’t feel compelled to ignore mental illness in violence simply because the point has been abused elsewhere.

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Shimshon  Mar 28, 2016 • 8:50:51pm

Alex Jones is a CIA plant false flag used to make conspiracy theorists look stupid and discredit them.

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palomino  Mar 29, 2016 • 1:01:28pm

re: #248 Great White Snark

Given my repeated clarification about the why of my feelings on taking mental health as seriously in gun crime as in any other crime… At this point you are simply insisting I mean something I don’t and than holding that against my position.

How about this. You don’t overlay my opinion with Wayne LaPierre and I will return the favor by not burdening yours with Gavin Newsom who is orchestrating a handgun ban her in California an inch at a time. .

That’s a really disingenuous false equivalency there. There’s no rational comparison between a lunatic gun fetishizing lobbyist like LaPierre and a politician like Newsom. Sure, Newsom is liberal…so what? The will of the people in Cali is more gun control, and that’s what he supports. LaPierre is a stooge for gun manufacturers, shameless and delusional.

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Great White Snark  Mar 29, 2016 • 3:35:21pm

re: #252 palomino

That’s a really disingenuous false equivalency there. There’s no rational comparison between a lunatic gun fetishizing lobbyist like LaPierre and a politician like Newsom. Sure, Newsom is liberal…so what? The will of the people in Cali is more gun control, and that’s what he supports. LaPierre is a stooge for gun manufacturers, shameless and delusional.

I don’t call him out for being liberal. In fact I support his LGBT work. Like the nice images we did at two LA area ACLU fundraising events for him and the rest of the speakers. Also on his marijuana advocacy.

I don’t appreciate your assumption there. Vastly in error. That’s why you can join me in bottom comments. I called out Gavin Newsome for unreasonable gun control measures. I agree with him on some things and disagree on others. And the will of the people has been fulfilled gun control wise and then some.

As evidenced by our Governor refusing to sign some of that crap legislation, some of which is raw pandering to a well monied crowd utterly opposite of Wayne, no less strident in their opposition to our gun rights. He’s so far out there he is going for a proposition he knows won’t fly even in our very Dem legislature. A ten day wait to buy ammunition, a background check every purchase? Screw that.

At the same time I like his idea to enforce sharing felony data with the feds so bad guys get denied purchase.

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Great White Snark  Mar 29, 2016 • 6:21:56pm

SMH SteelPH SMH

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IHateYahoo  Mar 31, 2016 • 12:19:02pm

The bar for being a vampire is very low I guess.


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