Amazing New Music From Jacob Collier: “Hajanga”

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Jacob Collier’s debut album is out now, and it’s absolutely stunning. In some ways, it reminds me of the first time I heard Weather Report — that combination of technical sophistication and almost child-like creative joy. It’s definitely in the running for the best album of the year — actually the best in many years.

And it’s much more than a technical tour de force, although it is most definitely that, since Jacob plays all the instruments and sings all the vocals. But there are songs on here that will touch your heart in a way that seems almost preternatural in such a young musician. And “Hajanga” is one of them. This isn’t “jazz,” although some will put it in that category. It’s just … music.

Jacob Collier takes a journey in celebration of the Hajanga, which is within us all – to bring you the fourth and final single from his debut album, ‘In My Room’.

Jet stream on Spotify ➪ http://radi.al/InMyRoomSpotify
Get down on iTunes ➪ https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/flintstones/id1109401272?i=1109401866&uo=4&partnerId=11&at=1l3va4Q
Get physical on Amazon ➪ http://www.amazon.com/dp/B01F84WULY/?tag=littlegreenfo-20

Join in on Patreon ➪ https://www.patreon.com/JCollierMusic
Facebook ➪ http://www.facebook.com/JCollierMusic
Instagram ➪ http://www.instagram.com/JCollierMusic
Twitter ➪ http://www.twitter.com/JCollierMusic
Website ➪ http://www.jacobcollier.co.uk

Directed by Jacob Collier & Will Young (http://www.echoandreflection.co.uk)
Post productory guidance from http://www.intonefilms.com

© Jacob Collier 2016

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Anymouse  Jul 2, 2016 • 6:04:35pm

Wonkette weighs in on an Apple patent for a device to disable its own iPhone.

Allegedly to prevent people from making shaky four-minute videos at concert venues and such (because allegedly shaky four-minute videos cut into promoters’ profits and discourage fans from seeing concerts), many are concerned what the more likely use would be.

The iPhone would detect a particular infrared signal, sent from a device on the stage, preventing it from recording.

A similar such device would prevent the phone from recording a police officer shooting a fleeing suspect in the back. It would prevent recording politicians. It would prevent a whole lot of things that concert promoters are not interested in, but government and police certainly are.

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freetoken  Jul 2, 2016 • 6:06:38pm

Is this cause for moral outrage?

Team succeeds for first time in genome editing of primates

A team of researchers has succeeded in immobilizing selected genes of common marmoset using genome editing technology, a breakthrough that could help research on human diseases.

[…]

In the experiments, the team destroyed genes that relate to the immune system in the fertilized ova of common marmoset using genome editing technology and transferred grown embryos to the wombs of mother monkeys.

Eight of nine babies born from the implanted embryos developed immunodeficiency, which confirmed that the targeted genes were successfully destroyed.

At least two of the babies have survived more than a year after birth.
[…]

Poor little marmoset, genetically engineered to be immunodeficient: Image: AS20160701004443_comm.jpg

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 2, 2016 • 6:06:55pm

I know I’m going against the LGF grain here but I just can’t get into this guy. He is definitely super talented and creative but I find I don’t get much out of listening to him.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 2, 2016 • 6:09:33pm

re: #3 Eclectic Cyborg

I know I’m going against the LGF grain here but I just can’t get into this guy. He is definitely super talented and creative but I find I don’t get much out of listening to him.

A lot of the stuff here is not to my taste but generally of high artistic quality.

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Teukka  Jul 2, 2016 • 6:10:14pm

re: #1 Anymouse

Wonkette weighs in on an Apple patent for a device to disable its own iPhone.

Allegedly to prevent people from making shaky four-minute videos at concert venues and such (because allegedly shaky four-minute videos cut into promoters’ profits and discourage fans from seeing concerts), many are concerned what the more likely use would be.

The iPhone would detect a particular infrared signal, sent from a device on the stage, preventing it from recording.

A similar such device would prevent the phone from recording a police officer shooting a fleeing suspect in the back. It would prevent recording politicians. It would prevent a whole lot of things that concert promoters are not interested in, but government and police certainly are.

Yep. One of many things which Apple does which is open to serious abuse.

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Frankie Five Angels  Jul 2, 2016 • 6:20:22pm

Caught a good one today.

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Kragar  Jul 2, 2016 • 6:21:49pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 2, 2016 • 6:23:57pm

re: #7 Kragar

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Ha. Can’t wait to see his next post. What a clown.

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Kragar  Jul 2, 2016 • 6:24:43pm
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Frankie Five Angels  Jul 2, 2016 • 6:25:09pm

re: #7 Kragar

Wingnut suicide watch.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 2, 2016 • 6:25:46pm

re: #9 Kragar

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Mr. DeMille, H.A’s ready for his closeup.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 2, 2016 • 6:27:25pm

re: #9 Kragar

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Suicide isn’t funny, but oh boy…

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Frenchy  Jul 2, 2016 • 6:27:29pm

Yawn. Yet another right-wing nothingburger re: HRC bites the dust.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 2, 2016 • 6:29:02pm

re: #7 Kragar

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Good.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 2, 2016 • 6:30:32pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 2, 2016 • 6:31:30pm

Can Bernie please drop out right the hell now?

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b.d.  Jul 2, 2016 • 6:31:50pm

re: #7 Kragar

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Time to re-open the Vince Foster case

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majii  Jul 2, 2016 • 6:34:46pm

re: #17 b.d.

Why not? GOPers running for president this year have already shown that they want to do exactly that. I still don’t think they believe Reagan is really dead since they keep “digging” him up at will.

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Frankie Five Angels  Jul 2, 2016 • 6:35:44pm

re: #17 b.d.

CATTLE FUTURES!!!

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Kragar  Jul 2, 2016 • 6:37:16pm

Allow me to expound at length

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Skip Intro  Jul 2, 2016 • 6:39:10pm

Can we go back to talking about the dozens of things Trump should have been indicted for now?

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gocart mozart  Jul 2, 2016 • 6:39:23pm
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MsJ  Jul 2, 2016 • 6:40:07pm

re: #9 Kragar

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Kragar  Jul 2, 2016 • 6:40:08pm

re: #21 Skip Intro

Case in point:

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Jul 2, 2016 • 6:43:25pm

re: #3 Eclectic Cyborg

I know I’m going against the LGF grain here but I just can’t get into this guy. He is definitely super talented and creative but I find I don’t get much out of listening to him.

I don’t know if we have an LFG Grain when it comes to music. This kid is clearly capable and skilled but he’s not my cuppa. Some things I find amazing and lovely, others I don’t. That’s art.

Edit: Hah, I typed LFG, like from the “LFG IS IRRELEVANT” chameleon meme… Sorry :D

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Charles Johnson  Jul 2, 2016 • 6:45:17pm
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bratwurst  Jul 2, 2016 • 6:45:58pm
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No Country For Old Haters  Jul 2, 2016 • 6:46:18pm

re: #9 Kragar

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Jul 2, 2016 • 6:46:18pm

Also, for the nerds among us, in preparation for Juno’s arrival at Jupiter - please proceed to bake your noodle with mind-bending technical breakdowns of the instruments on board.

If she had any more antennas, cap’n, she’d be a TV set!

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Double Dumbass  Jul 2, 2016 • 6:46:29pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

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On what world is that even close to a logical thought?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 2, 2016 • 6:47:59pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

[dudebro]TURN THOSE MACHINES BACK ON!!![/dudebro[]

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Jul 2, 2016 • 6:49:08pm

re: #6 Frankie Five Angels

Caught a good one today.

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ANTI GRAVITY SHOES ACTIVATED!!11

*Spider-man tch-tch-tch-tch sound*

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freetoken  Jul 2, 2016 • 6:49:44pm

Adam and eve

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Skip Intro  Jul 2, 2016 • 6:50:46pm

re: #30 Double Dumbass

On what world is that even close to a logical thought?

Planet Moonbat. Often very difficult to differentiate from Planet Wingnut.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 2, 2016 • 6:53:24pm

re: #28 No Country For Old Haters

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He won’t.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 2, 2016 • 6:53:44pm

re: #24 Kragar

Case in point:

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Zing.

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Skip Intro  Jul 2, 2016 • 6:54:09pm

It’s been a good year for dying.

Michael Cimino, ‘Deer Hunter’ And ‘Heaven’s Gate’ Director, Dead At 77

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HappyWarrior  Jul 2, 2016 • 6:55:04pm

re: #37 Skip Intro

It’s been a good year for dying.

Michael Cimino, ‘Deer Hunter’ And ‘Heaven’s Gate’ Director, Dead At 77

I thought the Deer Hunter was excellent. Sucks he really didn’t have any major films after that because I thought the Deer Hunter was a really good movie.

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Frankie Five Angels  Jul 2, 2016 • 6:56:28pm

re: #38 HappyWarrior

The Deer Hunter was a fantastic film. The Russian roulette scenes were bad ass.

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Skip Intro  Jul 2, 2016 • 6:57:40pm

SEC document shows Trump was worth less than half of $10bn claim in 2012

A whole lot less would be my educated guess.

theguardian.com

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Frenchy  Jul 2, 2016 • 6:59:20pm

re: #24 Kragar

Wow. Those are some horrifying accusations.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 2, 2016 • 6:59:22pm

re: #39 Frankie Five Angels

The Deer Hunter was a fantastic film. The Russian roulette scenes were bad ass.

That one stood out but I thought the opening scene at the wedding was quite well done too. Has yet another great performance by John Cazale who was such a terrific character actor.

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calochortus  Jul 2, 2016 • 7:00:20pm

I don’t know why (well, yes I do) but every time I see Trump’s penthouse decor, I think of Saddam Hussein’s gold painted faux elegance.

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No Depression  Jul 2, 2016 • 7:01:21pm

H.A. Goodman’s timeline is a diary of a madman:

Diary of a Madman (Remastered)

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TedStriker  Jul 2, 2016 • 7:01:41pm

re: #31 Blind Frog Belly White

[dudebro]TURN THOSE MACHINES BACK ON!!![/dudebro[]

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No still pic can do that scene justice:

“Turn those machines back on!” :-)

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freetoken  Jul 2, 2016 • 7:02:01pm

I don’t know which is stupid-er… the exclamations of Gingrich, or that people and news outlets still think he has something meaningful to say:

Newt Gingrich Says Donald Trump ‘Not Trying’ Yet

Newt Gingrich suggested on Saturday that Donald Trump is “not trying” yet in his bid for the presidency, and said Hillary Clinton’s campaign is “just wasting a lot of money while allowing him to think through how he wants to run the fall campaign.”

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jaunte  Jul 2, 2016 • 7:02:06pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 2, 2016 • 7:03:43pm

re: #46 freetoken

I don’t know which is stupid-er… the exclamations of Gingrich, or that people and news outlets still think he has something meaningful to say:

Newt Gingrich Says Donald Trump ‘Not Trying’ Yet

Remember when Newt was supposed to be one of the “smart” right wingers. Yeah Newt, that makes total sense. Gingrich must think everyone in this country is as stupid as he is.

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MsJ  Jul 2, 2016 • 7:03:46pm

Seven percent Bernie to trump. 7%!! All those voters…all 7%! What will Clinton do?

theguardian.com

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jaunte  Jul 2, 2016 • 7:04:06pm
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Stanley Sea  Jul 2, 2016 • 7:04:16pm

re: #33 freetoken

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There’s two more dudes there. I haven’t even seen Eve. Oh and dinosaurs.

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jaunte  Jul 2, 2016 • 7:04:58pm
Trump is the first major party presidential candidate to owe $100m+ to a foreign bank

Wait til Berners for Trump find out.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 2, 2016 • 7:08:32pm

For some reason, my 15yo is watching CNN’s “The 1980s” series. They just stated that “music went from hair bands and synth to Nirvana.” Umm: Minneapolis? Without Husker Du and The Replacements no Nirvana in my view.

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No Country For Old Haters  Jul 2, 2016 • 7:18:33pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 2, 2016 • 7:20:29pm

re: #54 No Country For Old Haters

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No kidding.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 2, 2016 • 7:20:53pm

re: #54 No Country For Old Haters

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Is he an award-winning journalist too?

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jul 2, 2016 • 7:21:54pm

re: #52 jaunte

Wait til Berners for Trump find out.

Yeah, but how many of those guys are (1) RON PAUL dregs, (2) ratfuckers?

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No Country For Old Haters  Jul 2, 2016 • 7:22:00pm

re: #55 HappyWarrior

No kidding.

I’ve only used that line on right-wingers before, but he’s just as nuts as the right wingers are.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 2, 2016 • 7:23:48pm

re: #58 No Country For Old Haters

I’ve only used that line on right-wingers before, but he’s just as nuts as the right wingers are.

If it acts like a duck.

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prairiefire  Jul 2, 2016 • 7:24:23pm

If the number of booms is an indicator, the economy is doing better. Hillbillies celebrating in every holler around us.

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TedStriker  Jul 2, 2016 • 7:24:49pm

re: #54 No Country For Old Haters

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 2, 2016 • 7:26:30pm

re: #46 freetoken

I don’t know which is stupid-er… the exclamations of Gingrich, or that people and news outlets still think he has something meaningful to say:

Newt Gingrich Says Donald Trump ‘Not Trying’ Yet

So Trump is going to wait out the Summer and wait till Fall to start acting presidential? Does Newt know that the election is in November?

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freetoken  Jul 2, 2016 • 7:27:12pm

Working very, very hard for a headline:

How everyone looks bad because Bill Clinton met with Loretta Lynch

Bill Clinton has made a mess. It was either out of foolish indifference or plain foolishness, but it has created a terrible moment for his wife and the Democrats, and for President Obama and perceptions of the integrity of his administration.

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Joe Bacon  Jul 2, 2016 • 7:27:15pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 2, 2016 • 7:29:19pm

re: #64 Joe Bacon

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They need to start a show together.

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freetoken  Jul 2, 2016 • 7:29:51pm
The meeting has provided fodder for Donald Trump and Republican leaders to cast doubt on whatever conclusions the career prosecutors and Comey come to. Trump called it “so horrible” and said he was “flabbergasted” by the reports of it. On Friday, he questioned the description of the conversation that took place.

WaPo trying to make the ramblings of Drumpfskind somehow an effect of what happened?

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Joe Bacon  Jul 2, 2016 • 7:30:24pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 2, 2016 • 7:31:25pm

re: #65 HappyWarrior

They need to start a show together.

Dan Aykroyd and Jane Curtin they’re not.

Jane you Ignorant slut

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freetoken  Jul 2, 2016 • 7:32:43pm

This is just the beginning, btw.

I have been very wary of Hillary as a candidate in part for this very penchant to make every Clinton story, every allegation, into a headline.

This, not ideological kinship, is why outlets like WaPo like Hillary Clinton and politics.

This is why Murdoch will not really be displeased if Hillary is elected - it will be good for Fox News as they will have Clinton scandals 24/7.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 2, 2016 • 7:34:22pm

re: #69 freetoken

This is just the beginning, btw.

I have been very wary of Hillary as a candidate in part for this very penchant to make every Clinton story, every allegation, into a headline.

This, not ideological kinship, is why outlets like WaPo like Hillary Clinton and politics.

This is why Murdoch will not really be displeased if Hillary is elected - it will be good for Fox News as they will have Clinton scandals 24/7.

There are no Clinton scandals.

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freetoken  Jul 2, 2016 • 7:34:46pm

BTW, the author of that WaPo piece is one of their most senior writers.

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freetoken  Jul 2, 2016 • 7:35:16pm

re: #70 Patricia Kayden

There are no Clinton scandals.

Every step walked, every word uttered, of Hillary’s will be a Clinton Scandal.

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freetoken  Jul 2, 2016 • 7:39:09pm

Governments around the English speaking world appear to be in limbo:

Australian government in limbo with election too close to call

Australia woke up to the prospect of a hung parliament or a minority government on Sunday as vote counting in a federal election was paused with the result too close to call.

The exceptionally close vote leaves Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull’s government in a precarious position, potentially needing the support of independent and minor parties to form a government.

[…]

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A Cranky One  Jul 2, 2016 • 7:40:06pm

re: #72 freetoken

Every step walked, every word uttered, of Hillary’s will be a Clinton Scandal.

Hillary claims climate change is real and we need to reduce CO2 emissions, but continues to generate CO2 by exhaling!!!11! IMPEACH!

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Kragar  Jul 2, 2016 • 7:47:54pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 2, 2016 • 7:47:59pm

re: #73 freetoken

Governments around the English speaking world appear to be in limbo:

Australian government in limbo with election too close to call

Tens of thousands of Britons rally in London against Brexit vote to leave Europe

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 2, 2016 • 7:53:00pm

re: #76 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Tens of thousands of Britons rally in London against Brexit vote to leave Europe

Sorta relevant, via Balloon Juice:

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gocart mozart  Jul 2, 2016 • 7:59:55pm
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BeenHereAwhile  Jul 2, 2016 • 8:09:29pm

Watching “Lenny.”

imdb.com

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Belafon  Jul 2, 2016 • 8:11:18pm

re: #72 freetoken

Every step walked, every word uttered, of Hillary’s will be a Clinton Scandal.

What is it about Hillary Clinton that drives Republicans mad? What is it they saw over twenty years ago that made her a constant target?

I can think of a couple of things, and you know what? Bring it on. I am not going to apologize for Hillary being an ambitious, yet flawed, person because we’re all flawed. And her flaws pale in comparison to her strengths so much that Republicans go full BenghaziInvestigate every time they think of her.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 2, 2016 • 8:18:26pm

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gocart mozart  Jul 2, 2016 • 8:22:52pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 2, 2016 • 8:23:16pm

Oh look here is a Trumporrhoid who has teh sads that the anti-Semitic tweet was deleted==>

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jaunte  Jul 2, 2016 • 8:25:34pm

re: #85 The Vicious Babushka

He thinks the FBI is investigating Hillary for espionage.

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 2, 2016 • 8:25:56pm

re: #75 Kragar

Their owners took one look at that document and said, “No, I don’t think so.”

Then the GOP replied, “So sorry. I don’t know what came over us. Please don’t beat us.”

The rest is history.

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Kragar  Jul 2, 2016 • 8:26:45pm
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Belafon  Jul 2, 2016 • 8:28:46pm

re: #88 Kragar

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Are there any other journalists at the website named after him? If not, then I have to agree: He’s not a journalist, but a blogger.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 2, 2016 • 8:29:30pm

re: #79 BeenHereAwhile

Watching “Lenny.”

imdb.com

I’m watching in horror some Hitler doc that is getting into Hindenburg saying he’d be able to control the fuck.

I’m more on the internet though, so the horror is just glancing off me, I’m not shaking in fear. That is saved for tomorrow.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 2, 2016 • 8:31:25pm

re: #82 The Vicious Babushka

She is such a horrible person. Like melting horrible.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 2, 2016 • 8:34:12pm

re: #90 Stanley Sea

I’m watching in horror some Hitler doc that is getting into Hindenburg saying he’d be able to control the fuck.

I’m more on the internet though, so the horror is just glancing off me, I’m not shaking in fear. That is saved for tomorrow.

Really scary how it all escalated so quickly.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 2, 2016 • 8:36:38pm

re: #92 HappyWarrior

Really scary how it all escalated so quickly.

Yup. History can repeat.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 2, 2016 • 8:38:05pm
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Lidane  Jul 2, 2016 • 8:41:30pm
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freetoken  Jul 2, 2016 • 8:41:32pm

re: #80 Belafon

The hate-right made a big deal out of the Obama’s Christmas tree ornaments - still my favorite ODS example.

Of course everything Hillary has done, and will do, is fodder for the hate machine.

Meanwhile, the real scandal is the GOP candidate.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 2, 2016 • 8:44:51pm

re: #94 Stanley Sea

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These are too common. So sick of stupid gun memes and the lack of desire by one of our parties to do anything about this.

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TedStriker  Jul 2, 2016 • 8:44:59pm

re: #94 Stanley Sea

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Not surprising or shocking anymore…and it’s here in TN.

re: #95 Lidane

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Hey, LGF’s getting some top-shelf exposure with the Trump Bumper Sticker Generator.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 2, 2016 • 8:46:44pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jul 2, 2016 • 8:47:22pm

Port St. Lucie County Police are apparently being dicks to the Muslims there.

CAIR said the attacker, who is white, allegedly said, “You Muslims need to get back to your country,” before assaulting the victim, who was not identified by CAIR or authorities. CAIR said the victim was Muslim and attended the Islamic Center.

The Islamic Center’s imam had requested extra security following the mass shooting last month by Omar Mateen at the gay nightclub Pulse in Orlando, about 120 miles to the north, according to CAIR and mosque spokesman Wilfredo Ruiz.

Ruiz said Mateen had infrequently attended the mosque.

Mateen, who was killed by police after a three-hour siege inside the club, declared himself to be an “Islamic soldier” and pledged allegiance to the leader of the Islamic State militant group, according to emergency call transcripts released by the FBI last month.

Ruiz criticized the Sheriff’s Office for not giving them additional security, saying: “This should not have happened.”

Sheriff Mascara said statements on the attack made by mosque officials and CAIR included “untruthful rhetoric.”

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Kragar  Jul 2, 2016 • 8:48:40pm
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jaunte  Jul 2, 2016 • 8:49:43pm

re: #101 Kragar

All work and no play make HAGOODMAN a dull author.

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freetoken  Jul 2, 2016 • 8:50:55pm

Since it has been getting rave reviews, watched the first episode of Preacher.

I don’t know… maybe I’m missing something… yes, the show has an edgy feel and blood and gore, which always sell, but it really didn’t draw me in.

I’ve also tried Killjoys - first episode, and stopped somewhere in the middle of the second episode. Pretty people doing violent things - again, very “in” as far as entertainment goes these days, but all I saw was pretty people and not much that can intrigue me.

So on Amazon Prime I’ve gone back to the not-very-successful Star Trek: Enterprise series, starting from the first epi. I think it has been unfairly too dissed. I remember watching it before, and while it seemed unpolished compared to TNG or DS9, the series did try to fill in the backstories for TOS as well as the later series. Perhaps the producers were too burdened with “canon”?

Anyway, finding small-screen entertainment wanting these days.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jul 2, 2016 • 8:51:27pm

LOL, this is funny.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 2, 2016 • 8:52:27pm

re: #93 Stanley Sea

Yup. History can repeat.

I’ve said this before: Parliamentary and multi-party systems sometimes sound good, but…the Nazis peaked at 42% of the vote (and were down to 38% in November ‘32.) If tRump got 42% of the vote, that would be a monumental humiliation, and we have no mechanism by which anyone could collude to worm him into power anyway.

Well, unless you count the Electoral College, of course.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jul 2, 2016 • 8:52:28pm

re: #103 freetoken

Yeah, without Doctor Who, there is nothing to watch for me know, since NCIS did their bullshit in the last season finale.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 2, 2016 • 8:54:46pm

ewe.

Too bad WW is not here.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 2, 2016 • 8:55:37pm

I think its pretty clear HA Goodman enjoys writing fiction.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 2, 2016 • 8:55:45pm

re: #107 Stanley Sea

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ewe.

Too bad WW is not here.

Dayum.

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retired cynic  Jul 2, 2016 • 8:55:58pm

re: #107 Stanley Sea

GAAAAAAH!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 2, 2016 • 8:56:34pm

re: #107 Stanley Sea

Damn…

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freetoken  Jul 2, 2016 • 8:57:24pm

re: #106 Ziggy_TARDIS

Also tried Stitchers… and it too I filed away under the pretty-people-doing-stupid-things category.

Mostly I find these shows about selling sex but with clothes on. That’s why the main characters are mostly good looking young people.

The first season of Fargo from two years ago I found intriguing because of the power of the actors.

The Detectorists from the UK also put acting ahead of looks. The producers intentionally found every-day-people-looking actors, not centerfolds. How novel.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 2, 2016 • 8:58:52pm

re: #112 freetoken

One thing I notice going back and watching movies from the 70s and 80s was that the actors looked so much more like normal people.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 2, 2016 • 8:59:14pm

re: #103 freetoken

Since it has been getting rave reviews, watched the first episode of Preacher.

I don’t know… maybe I’m missing something… yes, the show has an edgy feel and blood and gore, which always sell, but it really didn’t draw me in.

I’ve also tried Killjoys - first episode, and stopped somewhere in the middle of the second episode. Pretty people doing violent things - again, very “in” as far as entertainment goes these days, but all I saw was pretty people and not much that can intrigue me.

So on Amazon Prime I’ve gone back to the not-very-successful Star Trek: Enterprise series, starting from the first epi. I think it has been unfairly too dissed. I remember watching it before, and while it seemed unpolished compared to TNG or DS9, the series did try to fill in the backstories for TOS as well as the later series. Perhaps the producers were too burdened with “canon”?

Anyway, finding small-screen entertainment wanting these days.

I really liked Enterprise. I don’t know why everybody was so down on it. Well, their war with the Xindi was excruciating, but even there, they’d alternate episodes that didn’t deal with it—and the last season, with the three-parters, was some of the best Trek ever.

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jaunte  Jul 2, 2016 • 9:02:22pm

re: #103 freetoken

Since it has been getting rave reviews, watched the first episode of Preacher.

I don’t know… maybe I’m missing something… yes, the show has an edgy feel and blood and gore, which always sell, but it really didn’t draw me in.

I’ve also tried Killjoys - first episode, and stopped somewhere in the middle of the second episode. Pretty people doing violent things - again, very “in” as far as entertainment goes these days, but all I saw was pretty people and not much that can intrigue me.

I watched a couple of episodes but I couldn’t figure out why the characters were motivated to do what they did. And since it was fantasy, it didn’t seem to matter what they did. I guess you have to read the graphic novel to get it.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 2, 2016 • 9:02:40pm

re: #114 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Agreed. Unfortunately the finale was a huge letdown for a lot of people.

The Mirror Universe two parter was kick ass though.

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freetoken  Jul 2, 2016 • 9:03:44pm

re: #113 Eclectic Cyborg

Entertainment has often been about cosmetics.

The glamour days of Hollywood was about getting beautiful people on screen. In between the good-lookers were the good actors who carried the films. On rare occasion a beautiful person was a good actor and those made an impact.

1970’s movies started to reach out more into higher production values, and more extremes (such as violence) were allowed on American screens.

There were significant technological advances from the 50’s to the 70’s that allowed higher quality color film to be in the hands of more producers. In the 1950’s an expensive color film could wow an audience based on color alone (look at the Disney masterpieces). By the 1970’s that was less possible, so either more extremes (violence, sex) was needed, or giant sets and productions (all those disaster movies.)

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 2, 2016 • 9:04:26pm

re: #114 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

DS9 got real good when Sisko got the beard. IMHO, “In the Pale Moonlight” was probably the best episode of the entire series.

Ever watch any of “The Five Captains” on Youtube? Those are pretty good.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 2, 2016 • 9:07:10pm

re: #118 Eric The Fruit Bat

I was watching “Pale Moonlight” earlier this evening.

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freetoken  Jul 2, 2016 • 9:08:14pm

re: #106 Ziggy_TARDIS

Yeah, without Doctor Who, there is nothing to watch for me know, since NCIS did their bullshit in the last season finale.

Speaking of Doctor Who, as Torchwood is on Amazon Prime I went back and started to watch it again too… but I think it doesn’t hold up as well on second viewing a few years later. I remember the first time around I liked the series, at least for the actors, but now it all seems somewhat dated.

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MsJ  Jul 2, 2016 • 9:09:02pm

re: #83 gocart mozart

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A comment from that article:

I don’t know. I voted for Bernie and I’m hopeful that he could but I do believe that H.A. Goodman believes that Bernie is an easier target for the GOP. He was known as a libertarian conservative up until a couple of weeks before he came out for Bernie. Now, somehow by a miraculous conception he has become this rabid Bernie supporter cum Hillary basher. My point is that he has an agenda and it isn’t to see either one of them win.

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William Lewis  Jul 2, 2016 • 9:14:05pm

Only TV I’ve cared for of late is The Expanse. Love the very accurate for TV zero g effects as well as something that is even vaguely like real physics for the ships. Good enough that I forgive the unrealistic efficiency of the drives. The story works better on the screen than in the books too.

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freetoken  Jul 2, 2016 • 9:15:42pm

Television has quite often been a wasteland… here is NBC back in 1985 trying to figure out what to do with Nipsy Russell:

Your Number’s Up with Nipsey Russell 9/24/85 Part 1

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Dave In Austin  Jul 2, 2016 • 9:15:53pm

re: #107 Stanley Sea

How can that possibly be healthy??

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freetoken  Jul 2, 2016 • 9:16:40pm

re: #122 William Lewis

I’ve watched the first season of The Expanse. Agree that it is more rewarding and more substantive than the usual SyFy offering of late.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 2, 2016 • 9:18:09pm

re: #123 freetoken

Sister Sarah is now appearing on Match Game. I guess it’s a game show hosted by Alec Baldwin.

Money is everything. Nothing else matters.

nydailynews.com

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freetoken  Jul 2, 2016 • 9:20:41pm

re: #126 Stanley Sea

Of course she did.

The grift business is lucrative.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jul 2, 2016 • 9:21:19pm

re: #112 freetoken

With Brexit, I do wonder what will happen to Doctor Who.

I do know it can’t really go away, first of all. Doctor Who is now bigger outside the UK than inside, with the biggest markets being South Korea, Canada, the US, Mexico, Brazil, and Australia.

And it is continuing to grow. It is now going into the Middle East, and from the look of it, it is already beginning to get a very deep grip into Turkey now.

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stpaulbear  Jul 2, 2016 • 9:21:26pm

re: #60 prairiefire

If the number of booms is an indicator, the economy is doing better. Hillbillies celebrating in every holler around us.

Fourth of July is one of my least favorite holidays.

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Shimshon  Jul 2, 2016 • 9:22:00pm

re: #105 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I’ve said this before: Parliamentary and multi-party systems sometimes sound good, but…the Nazis peaked at 42% of the vote (and were down to 38% in November ‘32.) If tRump got 42% of the vote, that would be a monumental humiliation, and we have no mechanism by which anyone could collude to worm him into power anyway.

Well, unless you count the Electoral College, of course.

If America had a parliamentary system then the Dems and Greens would team up and get enough votes to form a government. Of course I would never discount the chance of conservatives cheating that system to get power.

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Shimshon  Jul 2, 2016 • 9:23:13pm

re: #114 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I really liked Enterprise. I don’t know why everybody was so down on it. Well, their war with the Xindi was excruciating, but even there, they’d alternate episodes that didn’t deal with it—and the last season, with the three-parters, was some of the best Trek ever.

I read a lot of people say that after 9/11 it turned into just another jingoistic ‘MURICA show but in space.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 2, 2016 • 9:23:33pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jul 2, 2016 • 9:23:48pm

re: #120 freetoken

Torchwood had a boatload of problems that make it much weaker than Who.

Unfortunately, one of the bigger writers for Torchwood is taking over the Showrunning of Doctor Who when Moffat leaves after next series.

This is a problem. Chibnall is not a good writer, and Moffat has elevated the writing and stories on Doctor to their highest level since at least the 3rd and 4th Doctor.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jul 2, 2016 • 9:25:04pm

re: #130 Shimshon

I would not be so sure.

Over in Europe, the Greens have thrown control to Tory Governments. And the Greens are batshit over there too.

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retired cynic  Jul 2, 2016 • 9:27:39pm

re: #133 Ziggy_TARDIS

I’m rather fond of Moffat’s work on Sherlock. Can hardly wait until the fourth season.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 2, 2016 • 9:29:12pm

re: #131 Shimshon

I read a lot of people say that after 9/11 it turned into just another jingoist ‘MURICA show but in space.

Well, it didn’t start till fall ‘01, and the first two seasons were anything but that. I suppose you could call their third season war with the Xindi kind of a metaphor for the aftermath of 9/11, but supposedly they came up with it because they thought turning into more of an action series would improve their ratings. It didn’t.

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BeachDem  Jul 2, 2016 • 9:29:26pm

re: #112 freetoken

Also tried Stitchers… and it too I filed away under the pretty-people-doing-stupid-things category.

Mostly I find these shows about selling sex but with clothes on. That’s why the main characters are mostly good looking young people.

The first season of Fargo from two years ago I found intriguing because of the power of the actors.

The Detectorists from the UK also put acting ahead of looks. The producers intentionally found every-day-people-looking actors, not centerfolds. How novel.

Have you tried “House of Lies” with Don Cheadle and Kristen Bell? Amazon Prime has the first 3 seasons.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 2, 2016 • 9:32:36pm

re: #137 BeachDem

Have you tried “House of Lies” with Don Cheadle and Kristen Bell? Amazon Prime has the first 3 seasons.

Love it.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jul 2, 2016 • 9:35:12pm

re: #135 retired cynic

To get an idea of Chibnall’s work, I will list the episodes he has written.

“42” (Series 3)
“The Hungry Earth” / “Cold Blood” (Series 5)
Pond Life (Pre-Series 7 Shorts)
“Dinosaurs on a Spaceship” (Series 7)
“The Power of Three” (Series 7)

Of these, only 2 are good.

With Moffat, he has yet to write a bad episode. And as showrunner, he has yet to have a bad episode. He has had frustrating (Good to Amazing in one way, bad in another) or sometimes dull episodes, but not actively bad.

Chibnall at best writes decent episodes, not nothing memorable. And some border on bad.

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Belafon  Jul 2, 2016 • 9:39:04pm

re: #139 Ziggy_TARDIS

The only one of those I didn’t care for was 42. And I thought the shorts did a good job of setting up the beginning of Amy and Rory’s final season.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jul 2, 2016 • 9:39:21pm

re: #139 Ziggy_TARDIS

Chibnall also tends to rely on Deus Ex Machina the same way Davies did.

At least with Moffat, it is not so much of an asspull, though you might need to watch the episode twice to see how the solution came about.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 2, 2016 • 9:39:42pm

Our friend Teleskiguy is at the shows this weekend. Awesome clips from the ongoing show

Facebook Video

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 2, 2016 • 9:39:49pm

re: #120 freetoken

Speaking of Doctor Who, as Torchwood is on Amazon Prime I went back and started to watch it again too… but I think it doesn’t hold up as well on second viewing a few years later. I remember the first time around I liked the series, at least for the actors, but now it all seems somewhat dated.

I only recall the last season of Torchwood: Miracle Day. Which was really fucking disturbing.

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freetoken  Jul 2, 2016 • 9:41:02pm

re: #137 BeachDem

Have you tried “House of Lies” with Don Cheadle and Kristen Bell? Amazon Prime has the first 3 seasons.

nope, not tried it… will run to Prime and see what it sez…

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Joe Bacon  Jul 2, 2016 • 9:43:17pm

It’s only July 2nd but neighbors have been shooting off fireworks since 9PM here…

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jul 2, 2016 • 9:43:38pm

re: #140 Belafon

The Hungry Earth/Cold Blood could have been a lot better. I remember the episodes, and they were ok, but it was way more start and stop then I am used to with Moffat.

The Power of Three was good. Right up until the resolution at the end.

Dinosaurs in Space would be my preference of the group. Showcased a prototype of the episode types we have now, where we will have the Doctor, a Companion, and a crew around him, showing an amazing character in Brian Williams, as well as showing bigger hints at the Doctor’s Dark Side, which we would only see fully in Hell Bent.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jul 2, 2016 • 9:44:11pm

re: #143 Romantic Heretic

I have read enough about it to know only to watch in the Day if I ever see it.

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BeachDem  Jul 2, 2016 • 9:44:48pm

re: #138 Stanley Sea

Love it.

I love Roscoe. He is the coolest kid.

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 2, 2016 • 9:44:53pm

re: #147 Ziggy_TARDIS

That’s very wise.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jul 2, 2016 • 9:47:11pm

re: #149 Romantic Heretic

Same rule I have for Final Fantasy VII.

FFVII was creepy as hell.

The fact it is being remade in HD means all of the creepy shit will now be a lot more real looking.

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stpaulbear  Jul 2, 2016 • 9:48:59pm

re: #145 Joe Bacon

It’s only July 2nd but neighbors have been shooting off fireworks since 9PM here…

Same here. Seems like for a lot of people around here the Fourth of July starts on Memorial Day weekend. It’s like the summer Christmas season.

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Kragar  Jul 2, 2016 • 9:49:11pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 2, 2016 • 9:50:04pm

Star Tribune: Minnesota in the sights of Clinton campaign, but little attention so far from Trump

Trump’s campaign has paid little attention to Minnesota to date, and at the moment there’s not a single paid operative for Trump in the state. That could change after the Republican National Convention later in July, as his supporters here pitch the celebrity businessman’s political advisers on making a play for Minnesota.

“As I told some Trump people yesterday, this is the state that elected Jesse Ventura, that elected colorful and unconventional personalities like Paul Wellstone and Al Franken,” said Ron Carey, a former state Republican chairman who said he’s been in frequent contact with one of Trump’s top aides, Ed Brookover. “Donald Trump is a totally different kind of candidate that can appeal to different segments of the electorate than your typical Republican, and that makes Minnesota viable and in play in my mind.”

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freetoken  Jul 2, 2016 • 9:52:26pm

re: #153 Eric The Fruit Bat

I’m having a hard time believing Hillary will not carry every state that Obama did in 2012.

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stpaulbear  Jul 2, 2016 • 9:54:04pm

re: #153 Eric The Fruit Bat

Star Tribune: Minnesota in the sights of Clinton campaign, but little attention so far from Trump

Ugh. We learned our lesson after three years of Jesse Ventura. That guy is delusional if he thinks that people who voted for Wellstone and Franken will vote for Trump because he’s a “personality”.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 2, 2016 • 9:59:10pm

Proof that I’m now a servant of my feline overlord:

When I stir in the morning, i.e. my turn over & half open eye at about 530 am. Totally prepared to roll over & sleep for 2 more hours. She’s ON ME. Meow meow meow forever. Attacking my legs through the blankets. One day her teeth are going to hit & I’m going to freak……. Playing with the artwork above the bed, threatening to pull it off the nails & crash down.

There’s more.

Realization that I need to go to bed earlier, so I can handle waking up at the dog awful hour.

So I’m out.

Sweet deception
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Patricia Kayden  Jul 2, 2016 • 9:59:56pm

re: #121 MsJ

A comment from that article:

Good to see someone has figured Goodman out.

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retired cynic  Jul 2, 2016 • 10:00:26pm

re: #156 Stanley Sea

You don’t HAVE to sleep with her, you know. I would never get any sleep if I slept with my crew.

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MsJ  Jul 2, 2016 • 10:11:33pm

re: #155 stpaulbear

Ugh. We learned our lesson after three years of Jesse Ventura. That guy is delusional if he thinks that people who voted for Wellstone and Franken will vote for Trump because he’s a “personality”.

The personality and celebrity status has troubled me since the beginning. It works me.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 2, 2016 • 10:25:08pm

re: #159 MsJ

That’s just it. Trumps ruthless, blowhard, unpredictable over the top personality is great for entertainment and reality TV. Say what you will about him but Trump is damned good at drawing attention to himself.

That’s a desirable quality when your goal is ratings, clicks, book sales, etc.

But this isn’t one of Trumps business dealings, this is the Presidency of the United States and I think most people are smart enough to realize the last person we need in the Oval Office is a fucked up Archie Bunker wannabe with serious mental deficiencies.

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Nyet  Jul 2, 2016 • 10:28:29pm

re: #23 MsJ

Interestingly, once upon a time he was sober enough.

huffingtonpost.com

Relatively speaking that is, because he still was batshit.

huffingtonpost.com

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Nyet  Jul 2, 2016 • 10:32:08pm

re: #85 The Vicious Babushka

Oh look here is a Trumporrhoid who has teh sads that the anti-Semitic tweet was deleted==>

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Satire.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 2, 2016 • 10:35:18pm

re: #160 Eclectic Cyborg

That’s just it. Trumps ruthless, blowhard, unpredictable over the top personality is great for entertainment and reality TV. Say what you will about him but Trump is damned good at drawing attention to himself.

That’s a desirable quality when your goal is ratings, clicks, book sales, etc.

But this isn’t one of Trumps business dealings, this is the Presidency of the United States and I think most people are smart enough to realize the last person we need in the Oval Office is a fucked up Archie Bunker wannabe with serious mental deficiencies.

i prefer ‘moron who acts like a 7th grader w a personality disorder’

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Anymouse  Jul 2, 2016 • 10:36:06pm

re: #145 Joe Bacon

It’s only July 2nd but neighbors have been shooting off fireworks since 9PM here…

My neighbours have been shooting them off all week. The explosions are louder than the usual gunfire you hear here from hunters.

For a lousy economy, they sure seem to have a lot of money to literally burn.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 2, 2016 • 10:38:47pm

re: #163 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

There are just too many good insults for a man like him.

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MsJ  Jul 2, 2016 • 10:42:21pm

re: #160 Eclectic Cyborg

But this isn’t one of Trumps business dealings, this is the Presidency of the United States and I think most people are smart enough to realize the last person we need in the Oval Office is a fucked up Archie Bunker wannabe with serious mental deficiencies.

Me? Not so much.

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Nyet  Jul 2, 2016 • 10:42:33pm

re: #83 gocart mozart

This article assumes HA Goodone loves Bernie. Not quite so. He actually hates Clinton and would vote for Warren, Rand Paul, or Sanders, but never for her.

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MsJ  Jul 2, 2016 • 10:45:13pm

re: #167 Nyet

This article assumes HA Goodone loves Bernie. Not quite so. He actually hates Clinton and would vote for Warren, Rand Paul, or Sanders, but never for her.

The guy likes Breitbart and finds it informative. That’s all that ever needs to be said.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 2, 2016 • 10:55:50pm

re: #167 Nyet

This article assumes HA Goodone loves Bernie. Not quite so. He actually hates Clinton and would vote for Warren, Rand Paul, or Sanders, but never for her.

I see guys like him as noting more that typical Ron Paul Libertarians. In past cycles before Obama, I bet this guy was a Paulian.

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Kragar  Jul 2, 2016 • 11:00:23pm
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Nyet  Jul 2, 2016 • 11:03:49pm

re: #169 Dave In Austin

With this particular guy I wouldn’t be surprised.

Most BernieBros seem to be straight-up obnoxious far-leftists though.

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Anymouse  Jul 2, 2016 • 11:04:15pm

re: #170 Kragar

Sheriff, did you read the Flag Code before you blew your county’s tax dollars?

4 U.S. Code § 8 - Respect for flag

(d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker’s desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.

Gee, I’m a dirty liberal hippie commie radical and I know this.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jul 2, 2016 • 11:10:06pm

re: #167 Nyet

This article assumes HA Goodone loves Bernie. Not quite so. He actually hates Clinton and would vote for Warren, Rand Paul, or Sanders, but never for her.

I’ll go one level deeper.

That article assumes that an individual’s ideology must be coherent and reflective of an ethos, when that doesn’t need to be the case. Lots of folks will bend everything else they “believe” to suit one strong impression—generally one thing they’re invested in emotionally—and not even notice.

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majii  Jul 2, 2016 • 11:10:54pm

re: #172 Anymouse

“Gee, I’m a dirty liberal hippie commie radical and I know this.”

Sometimes I think some like Arpaio don’t mind violating the rules as long as it brings them some kind of benefit. According to a post I read in Phoenix New Times recently, the guy who is running against Arpaio for sheriff is closer in polling than Arpaio is used to, so I guess he thinks it’s time for him to draw more attention to himself the way he did by making prisoners wear pink underwear and live in a tent city.

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Anymouse  Jul 2, 2016 • 11:10:58pm

re: #173 The Ghost of a Flea

I’ll go one level deeper.

That article assumes that an individual’s ideology must be coherent and reflective of an ethos, when that doesn’t need to be the case. Lots of folks will bend everything else they “believe” to suit one strong impression—generally one thing they’re invested in emotionally—and not even notice.

See also: Evangelical preachers and parishioners supporting Mr. Trump

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Shimshon  Jul 2, 2016 • 11:16:50pm

re: #169 Dave In Austin

I see guys like him as noting more that typical Ron Paul Libertarians. In past cycles before Obama, I bet this guy was a Paulian.

Before Obama? He tried to argue against Obama.


I’m a Liberal Democrat. I’m Voting for Rand Paul in 2016. Here Is Why.

huffingtonpost.com

He turned himself into a progressive just for more page clicks.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jul 2, 2016 • 11:17:36pm

re: #175 Anymouse

See also: Evangelical preachers and parishioners supporting Mr. Trump

And anybody’s who’s switched from “free market” to “international trade is bad” without pausing to mark a transition.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 2, 2016 • 11:20:05pm

re: #176 Shimshon

Before Obama? He tried to argue against Obama.


I’m a Liberal Democrat. I’m Voting for Rand Paul in 2016. Here Is Why.

huffingtonpost.com

He turned himself into a progressive just for more page clicks.

Yeah, He’s got a Paulian vibe all over him like a cheap suit…… Walks like a duck and all that.

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Anymouse  Jul 2, 2016 • 11:21:29pm

re: #177 The Ghost of a Flea

And anybody’s who’s switched from “free market” to “international trade is bad” without pausing to mark a transition.

♪ The answer is blowin’ in the wind… . ♪

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Nyet  Jul 2, 2016 • 11:21:55pm

re: #176 Shimshon

Before Obama? He tried to argue against Obama.


I’m a Liberal Democrat. I’m Voting for Rand Paul in 2016. Here Is Why.

huffingtonpost.com

He turned himself into a progressive just for more page clicks.

This article is linked to above. Before that he was promoting Warren. So it’s a progressive turning into a libertarian because of the Clinton-hatred, not the other way around - at least for this time period.

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Anymouse  Jul 2, 2016 • 11:24:00pm

re: #180 Nyet

This article is linked to above. Before that he was promoting Warren. So it’s a progressive turning into a libertarian because of the Clinton-hatred, not the other way around - at least for this time period.

I would argue that anyone who supported Senator Elizabeth Warren’s or Senator Bernie Sanders’s ideas on economics would not magically turn into a libertarian (either majuscule or minuscule). That person was a libertarian to begin with (and a rodent copulator).

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Dave In Austin  Jul 2, 2016 • 11:25:41pm

re: #181 Anymouse

Ratus Coitus………

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Nyet  Jul 2, 2016 • 11:25:46pm

re: #181 Anymouse

I would argue that anyone who supported Senator Elizabeth Warren’s or Senator Bernie Sanders’s ideas on economics would not magically turn into a libertarian (either majuscule or minuscule). That person was a libertarian to begin with (and a rodent copulator).

I understand that you can read people’s minds, but I’ll stick with the evidence at hand. It’s a far-left douchebro willing to vote for Paul because of the Clinton-hatred.

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Nyet  Jul 2, 2016 • 11:31:07pm

And btw, the “rodent copulator” meme is just a way to deny the obvious: many on the far-left are unhinged all on their own and some would even vote for Trump as a lesser evil. I have yet to see any proven wingnut ratfucker pretending to be a BernieBro, whereas I have seen numerous bona fide progressives that have gone off the rails because of Hillary. That’s the left’s problem. Own it.

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Anymouse  Jul 2, 2016 • 11:31:37pm

re: #183 Nyet

I understand that you can read people’s minds, but I’ll stick with the evidence at hand. It’s a far-left douchebro willing to vote for Paul because of the Clinton-hatred.

Where did you get I asserted I could read people’s minds from my comment?

The observation was that Senators Warren and Sanders have about polar opposite ideas on economics to those of Libertarians (I will defer to my wife the former Libertarian Party campaign finance manager on that one).

If it was merely Clinton hatred spun up by thirty years of GOP mudslinging or something else, he might say “well, I am not going to vote for her or Mr. Trump.” (That is what my own Republican senator Ben Sasse said back in February.)

But “I don’t like Hillary Clinton and I am a Bernie Sanders supporter, so I will vote for Ron Paul?” Nope. Not a progressive or any other sort of liberal. A rodent copulator.

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Nyet  Jul 2, 2016 • 11:34:13pm

re: #185 Anymouse

But “I don’t like Hillary Clinton and I am a Bernie Sanders supporter, so I will vote for Ron Paul?” Nope. Not a progressive or any other sort of liberal.

Non sequitur, especially in the light of the many BernieBros ready to vote for Trump as a lesser evil.

A rodent copulator.

A mythical creature and a way to deny the reality.

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Anymouse  Jul 2, 2016 • 11:38:08pm

re: #184 Nyet

And btw, the “rodent copulator” meme is just a way to deny the obvious: many on the far-left are unhinged all on their own and some would even vote for Trump as a lesser evil. I have yet to see any proven wingnut ratfucker pretending to be a BernieBro, whereas I have seen numerous bona fide progressives that have gone off the rails because of Hillary. That’s the left’s problem. Own it.

Well, I live in a town entirely comprised of Republicans except for my wife and me. They are dissatisfied with Mr. Trump. I don’t expect many to vote for Hillary Clinton either, but write in Ron Paul? I don’t think anyone here will do that.

As for alleged dudebros on Twitter or whatnot saying that (or Jill Stein, who on her own Website has two articles about her hanging out with Russian oligarchs and racists), well, I am not on Twitter so I can’t say.

I can say anyone can make an account on Twitter. Trump himself already did it with Senator Cruz (the infamous comparison photo of Melania and Heidi). He has Roger Stone with him (famous for that sort of thing).

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Anymouse  Jul 2, 2016 • 11:39:47pm

re: #186 Nyet

Non sequitur, especially in the light of the many BernieBros ready to vote for Trump as a lesser evil.

A mythical creature and a way to deny the reality.

en.wikipedia.org

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Nyet  Jul 2, 2016 • 11:42:09pm

re: #187 Anymouse

You have an account on DailyKos, so you should know (but probably don’t anyway) how many Kossacks have left it over Hillary to go to places like caucus99percent and KossacksForBernie. Where many of them wrote that yes, they will vote for Trump to “stop Hillary from killing more people in ME” (I’ve reposted some of that stuff here.) Bona fide progressives with many years of DKos commenting behind them.

Sorry, all the talk of ratfuckery in this case is just denial.

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Shimshon  Jul 2, 2016 • 11:43:23pm

re: #180 Nyet

This article is linked to above. Before that he was promoting Warren. So it’s a progressive turning into a libertarian because of the Clinton-hatred, not the other way around - at least for this time period.

He stated how he wanted Ron Paul to win instead of Obama both times, long before this election cycle and long before Warren was a household name.

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Nyet  Jul 2, 2016 • 11:43:47pm

re: #189 Nyet

(BTW, the same rationale applies for voting for Paul. He’s a well-known isolationist, so, in these progressives’ minds, “he will kill less people than Hillary”. So no, the “how can a progressive vote for Paul” argument does not logically work.)

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Nyet  Jul 2, 2016 • 11:45:14pm

re: #190 Shimshon

He stated how he wanted Ron Paul to win instead of Obama both times, long before this election cycle and long before Warren was a household name.

Got a link for that?

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Anymouse  Jul 2, 2016 • 11:46:44pm

re: #189 Nyet

You have an account on DailyKos, so you should know (but probably don’t anyway) how many Kossacks have left it over Hillary to go to places like caucus99percent and KossacksForBernie. Where many of them wrote that yes, they will vote for Trump to “stop Hillary from killing more people in ME” (I’ve reposted some of that stuff here.) Bona fide progressives with many years of DKos commenting behind them.

Sorry, all the talk of ratfuckery in this case is just denial.

I am aware of the people who left Daily Kos over the results of the primary elections. Sort of reminds me of the PUMAs when (then Senator) Obama won in 2008.

I maintain that anyone who would vote for Ron Paul (or Donald Trump) over Hillary Clinton because they don’t like Mrs. Clinton was not a liberal or progressive to begin with. Their racism is well-documented, and their economic ideas are the polar opposites of Senators Sanders or Warren.

You are aware of the number of people who get the banhammer over at Daily Kos every day?

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Nyet  Jul 2, 2016 • 11:49:15pm

re: #193 Anymouse

I maintain that anyone who would vote for Ron Paul (or Donald Trump) over Hillary Clinton because they don’t like Mrs. Clinton was not a liberal or progressive to begin with.

You can maintain this until you’re blue in the face and that still won’t make it true ;)

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Nyet  Jul 2, 2016 • 11:50:07pm

No True Scotsman. LOL.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jul 2, 2016 • 11:55:54pm

re: #184 Nyet

And btw, the “rodent copulator” meme is just a way to deny the obvious: many on the far-left are unhinged all on their own and some would even vote for Trump as a lesser evil. I have yet to see any proven wingnut ratfucker pretending to be a BernieBro, whereas I have seen numerous bona fide progressives that have gone off the rails because of Hillary. That’s the left’s problem. Own it.

I dunno man, on Twitter there’s a certain kind of account that smells like ratfucking. Fairly new, anime avatar, can’t help but slip from progressive jargon back into reactionary jargon.

I wish that explained all of it, but yeah there are actual people. Several in my personal life, and lots of it is visible on Kos.

Thing is, acclaimed politics—or ethics, for that matter—can’t compensate for ignorance or lack of rigor, and at some point the latter two will overwhelm the former…and strong emotion catalyzes the speed of the fuck-up.

And…vanity. Yeah. Vanity just destroys thought.

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Anymouse  Jul 2, 2016 • 11:56:19pm

re: #195 Nyet

No True Scotsman. LOL.

Well, if I argue that I am an atheist, but I also state I believe in some god, I am “no true atheist.”

If I argue that I am a progressive, but I want to privatise schools and government services, you may argue “no true progressive.”

The No True Scotsman fallacy is only a fallacy when it defines part of a group as not part of that group when they are (see Baptist definitions of Roman Catholics).

FYI, I did some reading on HA Goodone (a crossword puzzle answer for a name? Really?) He says he is writing in Rand Paul, not Ron Paul. I stand corrected here.

Rand Paul is all about eliminating or privatising Social Security, a progressive position. (::

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jul 2, 2016 • 11:57:40pm

re: #197 Anymouse

Rand Paul is also expressly a social conservative, where Ron Paul at least wore the merkin of “state’s rights” over his.

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Anymouse  Jul 3, 2016 • 12:01:29am

re: #198 The Ghost of a Flea

Rand Paul is also expressly a social conservative, where Ron Paul at least wore the merkin of “state’s rights” over his.

Published a racist newsletter too, which had his name as the author of a number of articles, then denied any knowledge of that.

Ron Paul was the representative for my brother-in-law’s congressional district. His thoughts on that? Well, at least he’s not Louie Gohmert.

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Fineday  Jul 3, 2016 • 12:08:18am

re: #23 MsJ

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There is a poster on another forum I hang out in, and a year ago he was defending Hillary against all the accusations against her from Benghazi to e-mails and FBI-investigations. Then he felt the Bern big time, took a 180 degree turn, and now he is spouting off every right wing talking point, every conspiracy theory in existence about Hillary. He is so delusional and such a pain in the ass, totally convinced that he is as right now attacking her as he now feels he was wrong defending her. And the most annoying thing is that in the process of learning that you have to hate Hillary in order to truly love Bernie, he has become such a sexist. He is now posting photoshopped images of Hillary with grotesquely enhanced double-chins, eyes bulging out of her face just for the heck of it and making sick and really old jokes about Hillary’s canckles.

I want to kick his ass so bad just to bring him out of his delusions, but I think that for him there is no turning back. It is Bernie or bust, even if it means Trump will become the president.

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Nyet  Jul 3, 2016 • 12:10:14am

re: #197 Anymouse

Well, if I argue that I am an atheist, but I also state I believe in some god, I am “no true atheist.”

Wrong analogy. If you argue that you’re an atheist but you vote for a theist, you’re still an atheist.
If you’re voting for a theist that takes away some of your rights, you’re still an atheist.

Not all progressives have the same “main issues” that you do. And many are deluded enough to swallow the “Hillary is a war hawk” meme, so they convince themselves that Trump is a lesser evil since they delude themselves into thinking that he’s more of an isolationist (same logic applies to Paul btw). I’ve seen one literally argue (and I think I reposted it here) that the morality induces them to care more about the people in ME than about the people in the US at this point, and, that thinking goes, Hillary is worse for ME than Trump.

None of these folks are for racism (at least explicitly) or privatizing schools or whatever. You’re missing the point of their (admittedly deluded) thinking.

You may not like this line of thought but that doesn’t make it non-existent and it does not make them not-progressives or the mythical rodent copulators.

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Nyet  Jul 3, 2016 • 12:13:38am

re: #201 Nyet

This is of course only one line of thought. One other goes like this: burn the house down and build it anew. It’s not new either.

Stand up, ones who are branded by the curse,
All the world’s starving and enslaved!
Our outraged minds are boiling,
Ready to lead us into a deadly fight.
We will destroy this world of violence
Down to the foundations, and then
We will build our new world.
He who was nothing will become everything!

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Anymouse  Jul 3, 2016 • 12:18:38am

re: #201 Nyet

Well, as an atheist I’ve never had anyone to vote for if the metric was the candidate is religious (except myself for my village board). I would vote for the person least likely to obstruct my rights (in the GOP race that seemed to be Ted Cruz and Mike Huckabee - see their endorsements by Kevin Swanson).

I cannot see how anyone can claim to be a progressive or a liberal would vote for Rand Paul, as his explicit wish is to privatise Social Security, abolish the ACA, continue to defund social services whilst expanding military power, opposing marriage equality, the Civil Rights Act, &c &c &c. Senator Paul holds no liberal or progressive positions whatsoever.

A Hillary Clinton hater? Yes, I can see someone voting for Senator Paul for that. But to vote for or endorse the exact opposite of a claim of “progressive values?” Nope.

Still haven’t figured out why this fellow (HA Goodone) is using a crossword puzzle answer for a name (additional circumstantial evidence of a rodent copulator)

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Nyet  Jul 3, 2016 • 12:19:47am

re: #203 Anymouse

I cannot see how anyone can claim to be a progressive or a liberal would vote for Rand Paul

I have just explained how.

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Shimshon  Jul 3, 2016 • 12:21:46am

re: #192 Nyet

Got a link for that?

It’s all in the article I linked. He bashes Obama and promotes Ran Paul.

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Nyet  Jul 3, 2016 • 12:22:17am

And Ha Ha Goodone’s item 1 in that Paul article is exactly Hillary’s alleged hawkishness (which is a far-left meme):

1. Rand Paul will be more cautious with waging war than Hillary Clinton or Jeb Bush. Sen. Paul has called Obama’s ISIS war illegal and isn’t against defending American interests through military intervention, but stresses the importance of Congress making these decisions. Hillary Clinton, in contrast, thinks we should have armed the Syrian rebel groups several years ago. Try naming even one of the Syrian rebel groups and explaining their differences with ISIS. Furthermore, The Week states that “Clinton’s instincts appear to be far more hawkish than Barack Obama’s.” Imagine a more hawkish Obama and you’ll get the next President Clinton. Also, famed neocon Robert Kagan is one of Clinton’s advisers and states in The New York Times, “I feel comfortable with her on foreign policy.” That should tell you how liberal Clinton will be on matters of perpetual war in the Middle East.

In less gentle terms: they think Hillary is a “neocon”, whatever that means in their world.

And for them Paul and Trump allegedly not being neocons trumps other considerations.

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Anymouse  Jul 3, 2016 • 12:24:48am

re: #204 Nyet

I have just explained how.

Your explanation as far as I can tell amounts to our hypothetical progressive voting for everything he or she is opposed to (abortion rights, voting rights, pick a Democratic position) because of blind hatred of Mrs. Clinton for (insert reason here).

Nope. Not progressive.

I do not dislike Hillary Clinton. Even if I did, I do not have to like a candidate to vote for the one that most closely represents my values. If my values are so worthless I would throw them under a bus because I disliked the candidate rather than her positions, then I did not really have those values to begin with.

(See evangelicals lining up behind Trump and his two Corinthians.)

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TK-421  Jul 3, 2016 • 12:26:17am

Fuck you, it’s my vacation.

The Alan Parsons Project- Eye in the Sky

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teleskiguy  Jul 3, 2016 • 12:27:51am
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Anymouse  Jul 3, 2016 • 12:29:25am

YouTubere: #208 TK-421

I’ll go with progressive music, since we’re talking progressives here.

Rats. I can’t embed the video. “Roundabout” - Yes.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 3, 2016 • 12:31:05am

re: #209 teleskiguy

They posted up their opener on FB. It’s posted upthread. Looked like a good one> I’ll check it out in it’s entirety tomorrow.

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TK-421  Jul 3, 2016 • 12:31:55am

My little brother just delivered a (delicious) bloody mary.

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TK-421  Jul 3, 2016 • 12:32:20am

Big boys don’t cry….

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Nyet  Jul 3, 2016 • 12:32:59am

re: #205 Shimshon

It’s all in the article I linked. He bashes Obama and promotes Ran Paul.

Well, first of all, the article was about Rand Paul, not Ron.
Second, just I said, he was supporting Warren before that.

huffingtonpost.com

Third, you claimed: “He stated how he wanted Ron Paul to win instead of Obama both times, long before this election cycle “. This is nowhere to be found in the article.

Looks like you made it up.

Anyway, you were wrong on all points.

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teleskiguy  Jul 3, 2016 • 12:33:38am
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Nyet  Jul 3, 2016 • 12:33:58am

re: #207 Anymouse

Your explanation as far as I can tell amounts to our hypothetical progressive voting for everything he or she is opposed to (abortion rights, voting rights, pick a Democratic position) because of blind hatred of Mrs. Clinton for (insert reason here).

Nope. Not progressive.

No true Scotsman, just as I said. Good look with your logical fallacies.

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Nyet  Jul 3, 2016 • 12:34:25am

re: #209 teleskiguy

You OK?

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TK-421  Jul 3, 2016 • 12:38:27am

Love you, Sergey.

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teleskiguy  Jul 3, 2016 • 12:38:32am

re: #217 Nyet

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Anymouse  Jul 3, 2016 • 12:43:48am

re: #216 Nyet

No true Scotsman, just as I said. Good look with your logical fallacies.

We’ll just have to leave it here. As I noted before, if I am willing to throw all my values under the bus (progressive voting for someone who holds opposite views such as Rand Paul, evangelical voting for someone shown to be clueless about religious values such as Donald Trump), then I did not hold those values strongly to begin with.

If I did not hold those values, I was never part of the group in the first place, so saying so is not a No True Scotsman fallacy. (The other example I gave was Baptists claiming Catholics are not Christians, which is an example of the fallacy.)

As for Mr. Goodman, I confess I never heard of him until this conversation, so either I have been under a rock (or a tumbleweed), or he really hasn’t made much of a journalistic impression.

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Nyet  Jul 3, 2016 • 12:49:07am

re: #220 Anymouse

We’ll just have to leave it here. As I noted before, if I am willing to throw all my values under the bus (progressive voting for someone who holds opposite views such as Rand Paul, evangelical voting for someone shown to be clueless about religious values such as Donald Trump), then I did not hold those values strongly to begin with.

If I did not hold those values, I was never part of the group in the first place, so saying so is not a No True Scotsman fallacy. (The other example I gave was Baptists claiming Catholics are not Christians.)

As for Mr. Goodman, I confess I never heard of him until this conversation, so either I have been under a rock (or a tumbleweed), or he really hasn’t made much of a journalistic impression.

You’re hanging your True Scotsman fallacy on a strawman argument to boot (“throw all my values under the bus”).

As I have written above, not everyone has the same policy priorities as you do. For some progressives Clinton’s alleged foreign policy hawkishness trumps other, more local considerations. It’s not throwing out all one’s values. It’s sacrificing some of them for the others, which one deems more important. That Clinton is not at all hawkish and that Trump does not seem to be an isolationist makes these progressives deluded, not “not progressive”. They are attacking Clinton from the left, not from the right. And they think Clinton’s FP is more right-wing than Trump’s and Paul’s. They say as much, too.

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Anymouse  Jul 3, 2016 • 12:53:05am

re: #221 Nyet

You’re hanging your True Scotsman fallacy on a strawman argument to boot (“throw all my values under the bus”).

As I have written above, not everyone has the same policy priorities as you do. For some progressives Clinton’s alleged foreign policy hawkishness trumps other, more local considerations. It’s not throwing out all one’s values. It’s sacrificing some of them for the others, which one deems more important. That Clinton is not at all hawkish and that Trump does not seem to be an isolationist makes these progressives deluded, not “not progressive”. They are attacking Clinton from the left, not from the right. And they think Clinton’s FP is more right-wing than Trump’s and Paul’s. They say as much, too.

Okay, I’ll go one more round. Name a progressive position of Senator Rand Paul. Non-interventionalism doesn’t qualify:

foreignpolicy.com

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Nyet  Jul 3, 2016 • 1:00:01am

re: #222 Anymouse

Okay, I’ll go one more round. Name a progressive position of Senator Rand Paul. Non-interventionalism doesn’t qualify:

foreignpolicy.com

We are not talking about Rand Paul’s positions.

We are talking about the perceptions of the many on the far-left both of the FP of Clinton and Trump (and Paul, when he was still somewhat relevant).

The common staple of the far-left discourse is the feigned aversion to “regime change” abroad. It’s a charge usually thrown against Hillary.

Guess who agrees with the brogressives about “regime change”?

cnsnews.com

So yes, non-interventionism trumps many other more local issues for these folks.

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Nyet  Jul 3, 2016 • 1:03:53am

Another issue where the far-left and the libertarians see eye to eye is the Assange-Snowden—Manning-Greenwald stuff (NSA blah blah). These guys are more libertarians than anything, and yet you have hundreds of diaries in their support at DKos and elsewhere in progressive blogosphere. Snowden is a hero to them, etc.

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Nyet  Jul 3, 2016 • 1:06:30am

Funny thing is, for these folks people like Anymouse are not True Progressives™ because they support Hillary now.

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Nyet  Jul 3, 2016 • 1:13:53am

From the horse’s mouth:

James Hepburn anna shane Aug 17 * 12:13:08 AM
Assange is being tactical
He sees an angle in the libertarian opposition to these issues, and he’s stoking it. I don’t blame him.

Personally, I can’t stand libertarianism. If they had Ron Paul’s way, we would end up the United States of Walmart Sachs.

But like Assange, I strongly support Ron Paul’s opposition to imperialism, violations of the Constitution, drone warfare, renditions, the Surveillance State, indefinite detentions etc.

Adults can do that. Separate the good parts from the bad, and support the good. And I’ll tell you what. Democrats should see Assange’s little play here as a warning. There has been, since the Bush nightmare, potential for a new coalition among progressives opposed to all these things (attack on civil liberties and empire), and the populist right who is also opposed to these things.

The Democrats blatant hypocrisy on these issues, which were clearly wrong under Bush, but are supposed to be OK under Obama, is a potential catalyst for realignment.

And then there’s this

A July Washington Post-ABC News poll — before the latest disclosures reported by The Post — found fully 70 percent of Democrats and 77 percent of Republicans said the NSA’s phone and Internet surveillance program intrudes on some Americans’ privacy rights.

While the numbers are encouraging, more Republicans than Democrats now oppose this crap.
Thus Assange’s play.

Recommended 72 times

That’s from 2013.

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Donnie With The Good Hair (AKA Sophist)  Jul 3, 2016 • 1:17:17am

re: #195 Nyet

No True Scotsman. LOL.

Yeah, but some people really aren’t Scotsmen. “No true Scotsman” can be just as much of a dodge as accusations of rat-fuckery.

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Nyet  Jul 3, 2016 • 1:22:03am

re: #227 Donnie With The Good Hair (AKA Sophist)

Yeah, but some people really aren’t Scotsmen. “No true Scotsman” can be just as much of a dodge as accusations of rat-fuckery.

Oh for sure. But not when the argument for NTS is laid out so clearly, and is so clearly circular. Progressives can’t vote for Trump or Paul, ergo those who vote for Trump or Paul are not progressives and never were - that’s like the def. of the NTS fallacy.

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Donnie With The Good Hair (AKA Sophist)  Jul 3, 2016 • 1:22:18am

re: #206 Nyet

And for them Paul and Trump allegedly not being neocons trumps other considerations.

At what point does your willingness to jettison the vast majority of progressive policies negate your self identification as a “progressive”?

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Anymouse  Jul 3, 2016 • 1:22:29am

re: #223 Nyet

We are not talking about Rand Paul’s positions.

We are talking about the perceptions of the many on the far-left both of the FP of Clinton and Trump (and Paul, when he was still somewhat relevant).

The common staple of the far-left discourse is the feigned aversion to “regime change” abroad. It’s a charge usually thrown against Hillary.

Guess who agrees with the brogressives about “regime change”?

cnsnews.com

So yes, non-interventionism trumps many other more local issues for these folks.

Which goes back to my original comparison of certain Evangelical groups supporting Donald Trump. When they support him, is their Christianity more important to them, or Mr. Trump? If the latter, then the argument they aren’t really Christians is a fair one.

(See also conservative claims all Muslims are guilty for the actions of a few. Imams have repeatedly argued groups like Daesh have hijacked their religious beliefs for political ends. Many Christian groups make the same claims about groups like the Family Research Council or the American Family Association.)

If I claim to be a Christian (as an atheist), and you know I am an atheist, then calling me “not Christian” is not a No True Christian fallacy.

If I am willing to throw under the bus not some progressive positions (as you implied with the remark that interventionalism trumps other things for some people) but all progressive positions, then I believe it is safe to say that person does not hold progressive positions. (And progressive positions do not include Rand Paul’s idea of non-interventionalism anyway. That is an isolationist and conservative position.)

Hence, some fellow saying he would support Rand Paul (a person who holds exactly zero progressive positions) over Hillary Clinton is either a) stupid b) lying (rodent copulating) or c) not a progressive to begin with.

“I don’t care about the Civil Rights Act”
“I don’t care about women’s rights”
“I don’t care about voter suppression”
“I don’t care about expanding the military yet more”
“I don’t care about privatising Social Security”
“I don’t care about the moochers on food stamps”
“I don’t care about funding government outside the military”
“I don’t care about environmental regulations”
“I don’t believe in anthropogenic climate change despite overwhelming scientific evidence (or any other scientific position, for that matter)”

are not progressive positions.

I don’t know whether a, b, or c is correct with this fellow. However, supporting a small l libertarian (and all that entails) means “not progressive.” Doesn’t matter the reason (non-intervention, Hillary Clinton, think Planned Parenthood is selling baby parts, &c).

Again, I defer to my wife the Libertarian (large L). She looked over his article and said, “nope, not a progressive.”

I need to get to bed. It is very late here, and tomorrow I need to start packing and preparing for my trip to Canada. Thank you for the discussion … it does give me more to think about.

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Nyet  Jul 3, 2016 • 1:28:02am

re: #229 Donnie With The Good Hair (AKA Sophist)

At what point does your willingness to jettison the vast majority of progressive policies negate your self identification as a “progressive”?

They’re not abandoning their progressive views, so your question is ambiguous. If you mean, how long they can tactically vote for what they think is a lesser evil while remaining progressives and hoping to have those progressive policies in the future (thus not jettisoning them on an ideological level), I’d say - indefinitely, but that would make them dumb, deluded and/or sociopathic progressives.

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Nyet  Jul 3, 2016 • 1:40:44am

re: #230 Anymouse

Which goes back to my original comparison of certain Evangelical groups supporting Donald Trump. When they support him, is their Christianity more important to them, or Mr. Trump? If the latter, then the argument they aren’t really Christians is a fair one.

A Christian is a Christian, whether they vote for Trump, Hitler or Dalai Lama.

(See also conservative claims all Muslims are guilty for the actions of a few. Imams have repeatedly argued groups like Daesh have hijacked their religious beliefs for political ends. Many Christian groups make the same claims about groups like the Family Research Council or the American Family Association.)

Well sure, but it’s just another instance of the No True Scotsman fallacy. After all, ISIS members are Muslims, FRC and AFA members are Christian, and so on.

If I claim to be a Christian (as an atheist), and you know I am an atheist, then calling me “not Christian” is not a No True Christian fallacy.

True. Since in this case you don’t know that these folks are not progressive (and I know that they are, since they have a record), it is such a fallacy.

If I am willing to throw under the bus not some progressive positions (as you implied with the remark that interventionalism trumps other things for some people) but all progressive positions, then I believe it is safe to say that person does not hold progressive positions. (And progressive positions do not include Rand Paul’s idea of non-interventionalism anyway. That is an isolationist and conservative position.)

Non-interventionism is a position popular among the far-left. Bernie’s been milking it for everything it’s worth, going on about Lybia, Syria, “regime change” and so on, although he himself is not a full anti-interventionist (Afghanistan, Kosovo, drones). Jill Stein is, though. And whether you like it or not, she represents the segment of the far-left we are talking about (and even she’s too right-wing for some).

Hence, some fellow saying he would support Rand Paul (a person who holds exactly zero progressive positions) over Hillary Clinton is either a) stupid b) lying (rodent copulating) or c) not a progressive to begin with.

See, you’ve already expanded the list of options to “stupid” (something I can agree with).

“I don’t care about the Civil Rights Act”
“I don’t care about women’s rights”
“I don’t care about voter suppression”
“I don’t care about expanding the military yet more”
“I don’t care about privatising Social Security”
“I don’t care about the moochers on food stamps”
“I don’t care about funding government outside the military”
“I don’t care about environmental regulations”
“I don’t believe in anthropogenic climate change despite overwhelming scientific evidence (or any other scientific position, for that matter)”

are not progressive positions.

True, and none of those folks espouse these positions. That’s why it’s called tactical voting for (what they see as) a lesser evil.
They actually do support the opposite of what you have listed. That they’re willing to vote for a candidate who doesn’t, in the hope that this will lead to a shake up that will, after a few years, lead to these policies, doesn’t make them “not progressive”. It makes them dumb as a brick.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 3, 2016 • 1:43:45am

In any event those who think Trump would be less interventionist than Clinton are snorting bath salts. The guy is running on an explicit platform of torture and plunder. Anybody who looks at that and thinks he’d be better for the citizens of the middle east is either obtusely deluding themselves or, more likely, cynically selling what they know is a lie on the theory that Trump will usher in a glorious communist revolution. A revolution in which minorities will likely be made to suffer the most.

Which isn’t to say they aren’t progressive, just that they’re progressive assholes. Animal Farm brand liberals have a gigantic blind spot when it comes to the role racism plays in our society, one that they willfully maintain.

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Nyet  Jul 3, 2016 • 1:45:15am

re: #233 goddamnedfrank

In any event those who think Trump would be less interventionist than Clinton are snorting bath salts. The guy is running on an explicit platform of torture and plunder. Anybody who looks at that and thinks he’d be better for the citizens of the middle east is either obtusely deluding themselves or, more likely, cynically selling what they know is a lie on the theory that Trump will usher in a glorious communist revolution. A revolution in which minorities will likely be made to suffer the most.

Which isn’t to say they aren’t progressive, just that they’re progressive assholes. Animal Farm brand liberals have a gigantic blind spot when it comes to the role racism plays in our society, one that they willfully maintain.

Hear, hear!

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Nyet  Jul 3, 2016 • 1:48:10am

re: #229 Donnie With The Good Hair (AKA Sophist)

Oh, and care to explain the downdings?

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Nyet  Jul 3, 2016 • 1:55:51am

Seems like our Donnie With The Good Hair is having a bad hair day. The wig is slipping.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 3, 2016 • 2:34:11am

Part of the problem is trying to define the term progressive to mean things that properly belong within other dimensions of the modern political idea-space. There’s more than just Liberal/Progressive vs. Conservative, there’s Authoritarian vs. Permissive, Pragmatic vs. Idealistic, Reactionary vs. Enlightened, Elitist/Intellectual/Expertise Based vs. Populist/Anti-Intellectual/”Common Sense Wisdom” based, Collectivistic vs. Individualistic, Environmentally Conservationist vs. Exploitative, Secular vs. Theocratic. It goes on and on.

There are so many variables here that we’d need something impossible for us to actually visualize, like a Calabi-Yau manifold, to even begin mapping it all out.

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Shimshon  Jul 3, 2016 • 2:42:03am

I know someone who calls himself a progressive but believes Japanese internment was acceptable and LBJ a great President. For some reason though he hates Hillary a lot, but finally accepted he would vote for her over Trump in this election the first election he will bother to vote in for over 20 years. Democrats have always had a big tent of different ideologies and only in this election have purity tests come where if you don’t support Bernie and think Hillary is worse than Trump then you aren’t a real liberal/progressive/Democrat with a vocal group of people online. I’m still convinced those Bernie or bust people are just misogynists or trolls.

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William Lewis  Jul 3, 2016 • 3:07:37am

re: #238 Shimshon

Mostly misogynistic I’d say since it is far more acceptable to openly hate women than to express racism.

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Nyet  Jul 3, 2016 • 3:11:19am

re: #239 William Lewis

Mostly misogynistic I’d say since it is far more acceptable to openly hate women than to express racism.

Indeed. One should just look at those modern churches, synagogues and mosques that don’t allow women to be clerics. When LDS did that to the black people, there was outrage.

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Anymouse  Jul 3, 2016 • 3:23:07am

Minnesota woman responds to two letters in the Minneapolis Star Tribune by men staking out anti-abortion positions:

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William Lewis  Jul 3, 2016 • 3:31:47am

re: #240 Nyet

I actually quite agree. One of the draws in the US Episcopal church for me was the woman priest at my first parish.

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Anymouse  Jul 3, 2016 • 3:35:20am

103-year-old Iowa woman vows to live long enough to cast her vote for Hillary Clinton.

An Iowa woman, born seven years before women were given the vote, says she plans to stick around long enough to vote for former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, adding a Donald Trump presidency would be a disaster.

In an interview with CNN’s Christiane Amanpour, 103-year-old Ruline Steininger spoke about campaigning for Clinton during the Iowa caucuses saying she never thought she’d live to see a woman president in her lifetime.

Steininger, who will be voting in her twentieth presidential election, said the candidacy for Clinton is very special to her.

“She’s our only hope. We certainly don’t want Trump for a president,” she said before adding, “Hillary is the best qualified candidate we have had in a long long time.”

She feels it is her patriotic duty to live long enough to cast a ballot for Mrs. Clinton and against Mr. Trump.

Asked whether she was surprised that Donald Trump could be a “legitimate candidate,” Steininger was quite blunt.

“I’m shocked. I don’t know what has gotten into people,” she replied. “If he’s elected president, it’s going to be a national disaster which we will likely take years to recover from.”

She added, “The only way to stop Trump is to vote for Hillary.”

Take note, Sanders supporters holding out for the perfect candidate. (I was a Sanders supporter; I am now all in for Mrs. Clinton). There is no such thing as a perfect candidate, and perfect is the enemy of good.

There is more at the Raw Story article, including a video clip of the interview from CNN.

I wonder how many other senior citizens Mr. Trump is inspiring with a reason to live long enough to vote against him? I suspect it is not a big voting bloc, but it is certainly an interesting one.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 3, 2016 • 4:17:19am

re: #241 Anymouse

Minnesota woman responds to two letters in the Minneapolis Star Tribune by men staking out anti-abortion positions:

suppressing free speech!!!

///

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Anymouse  Jul 3, 2016 • 4:20:57am

re: #244 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

suppressing free speech!!!

///

That would be FREEZE PEACH!11!!1!uno!!eleventy!!!21!!

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Ming5000  Jul 3, 2016 • 4:26:32am

Just finished reading this after an LGFer berated dumtwits for never having actually read the Constitution of the United States of America:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

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Anymouse  Jul 3, 2016 • 4:35:54am

Nebraska representatives talk about gun laws in the wake of the Orlando mass-murder, as reported by the Scottsbluff Star-Herald here.

The Star-Herald correctly characterised the mass-murder as an attack on a gay bar. It also portrayed the Democrats proposals on certain rifles as a ban against military weapons.

Representative Adrian Smith (R-NE3) characterised the Democratic sit-in not as an objection to obstruction in the House but a political statement which broke House rules (conveniently leaving out the Republican sit-in some years ago on behalf of poor beleaguered oil companies, and sticking with the GOP caricaturisation of the sit in).

Senator Deb Fischer (R) said that both sides should work together on the problem, as no one wants terrorists to get guns (glossing over the LGBT aspect of the shootings). She plumped for Senator John Cornyn’s (R-TX) bill.

A local official, state senator John Stinner (R-district 48, Scott’s Bluff County) notes there is no pending legislation but he would study it if it came up in the Unicameral.

Governor Pete Ricketts (R) and Senator Ben Sasse (R) did not return comments.

I suspect I will be reading plenty about this in the paper in the coming days.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jul 3, 2016 • 4:40:23am
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SoundGuy 2016  Jul 3, 2016 • 4:42:21am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 3, 2016 • 4:51:39am

re: #248 SoundGuy 2016

Clinton’s massive June fundraising haul: Nearly $70 million

Enough people understand that Trump is an Existential Threat to America and are acting accordingly.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 3, 2016 • 4:51:44am

CNN sucks in so many ways…..

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Anymouse  Jul 3, 2016 • 4:56:59am

re: #251 Dave In Austin

CNN sucks in so many ways…..

Another reason I don’t own a television set.

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Anymouse  Jul 3, 2016 • 5:04:24am

Mother Jones reports on the Republican plan to reign in military spending.

That plan is built on the backs of the poorest in the military, by slashing Basic Allowance for Quarters (the payments made to military personnel who live off base).

Conservatives supporting the troops again; my time in the military was what convinced me conservatives don’t give a diddly damn about active duty or veterans. I could see the difference; we were (and are) only a backdrop for flag-waving patriotic sound bites for conservatives.

The most significant pay rise I received was under President Jimmy Carter’s administration.

Under President Reagan, he imposed zero pay rise for several years, arguing that military personnel need to set a standard for civilians in fighting inflation (?). We also had several years where military pay was in doubt at the beginning of the new fiscal year due to threats from the GOP to prevent a spending plan going through.

One thing the Republican proposal does do: It adds a whole lot of paperwork and bureaucracy to receive BAQ. Submitting paperwork every month by every service member for justification of BAQ payments is the epitome of “smaller government” (it is to laugh).

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 3, 2016 • 5:09:13am

re: #243 Anymouse

103-year-old Iowa woman vows to live long enough to cast her vote for Hillary Clinton.

She feels it is her patriotic duty to live long enough to cast a ballot for Mrs. Clinton and against Mr. Trump.

Take note, Sanders supporters holding out for the perfect candidate. (I was a Sanders supporter; I am now all in for Mrs. Clinton). There is no such thing as a perfect candidate, and perfect is the enemy of good.

There is more at the Raw Story article, including a video clip of the interview from CNN.

I wonder how many other senior citizens Mr. Trump is inspiring with a reason to live long enough to vote against him? I suspect it is not a big voting bloc, but it is certainly an interesting one.

She lives near Des Moines. I bet she was a real firebrand at those caucus meetings.

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William Lewis  Jul 3, 2016 • 5:16:09am

re: #253 Anymouse

Fucking Republican slime sandwiches…

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 3, 2016 • 5:17:44am

re: #255 William Lewis

Fucking Republican slime sandwiches…

Speaking of which:

Utah Mormon Attempts To Block A Monumental Gift To the American People

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Anymouse  Jul 3, 2016 • 5:24:30am

re: #255 William Lewis

Fucking Republican slime sandwiches…

They like weapons, not so much active duty (and those of us who are disabled veterans they just want us to die or privatise the VA as it is a standing monument of a well-functioning socialised medical system, despite the derp in the press over individuals in the VA caught in scandals - the fact they were caught shows the system works. They don’t want the VA to work (Business Week magazine characterised the VA as the best medical system in America.)

re: #256 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Speaking of which:

Utah Mormon Attempts To Block A Monumental Gift To the American People

They are opposed to national parks period. They all need to be fracked or strip-mined. We cannot prohibit poor desperate oil and mining companies from exploiting our National Parks for profit. Moreover, this park would be designated by the black guy in the White House and we can’t allow him to do anything.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 3, 2016 • 5:32:30am

re: #257 Anymouse

….(Business Week magazine characterised the VA as the best medical system in America.)….

See, everybody seems to want (or don’t know the difference) a single-payer healthcare system like Canada (Medicare for all, IOW.) I want single-provider like the UK (VA for all.) I think it’s the only ethically defensible setup.

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Anymouse  Jul 3, 2016 • 5:37:30am

re: #258 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

See, everybody seems to want (or don’t know the difference) a single-payer healthcare system like Canada (Medicare for all, IOW.) I want single-provider like the UK (VA for all.) I think it’s the only ethically defensible setup.

sochalisum!!! Why would we want to pillory poor insurance companies that add no value to medical care and only exist as gatekeepers to it, as well as skimming profits off the back of the sick and dying? /s

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SoundGuy 2016  Jul 3, 2016 • 6:20:41am

I am sure all of you will be shocked by this news:

Donald Trump’s “Star of David” Hillary Clinton Meme Was Created by White Supremacists

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SoundGuy 2016  Jul 3, 2016 • 6:31:58am

I thought one of his knuckledragging campaign hacks made it.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 3, 2016 • 6:39:02am

re: #260 SoundGuy 2016

I am sure all of you will be shocked by this news:

Donald Trump’s “Star of David” Hillary Clinton Meme Was Created by White Supremacists

My surprise, let me show you it.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jul 3, 2016 • 6:43:50am
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Pawn of the Oppressor  Jul 3, 2016 • 6:50:14am

re: #253 Anymouse

And they know that if it passes right now, they get to blame the Mewslim Nee-clang in the Waht Haus. What a plan. Fucking “patriots”…

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451_Montag  Jul 3, 2016 • 6:51:41am

re: #260 SoundGuy 2016

I am sure all of you will be shocked by this news:

Donald Trump’s “Star of David” Hillary Clinton Meme Was Created by White Supremacists

Noooooo, say it’s not true

//

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jeffreyw  Jul 3, 2016 • 7:00:45am

Imgur
Good morning!

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 3, 2016 • 7:08:35am

I’m so damn confused…
I thought the GOP was telling me BREXIT was good for UK sovereignty and it’s people…
But how is that now businesses will need to mover further away from their traditional markets in order to succeed, and how is stripping away jobs good for the citizenry of the UK?
And, I thought that the US’ Taxes on businesses were the worst in the world…
?????????????????????????????????????????????
/s/

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Skip Intro  Jul 3, 2016 • 7:09:23am

re: #246 Ming5000

I don’t think most of them get past “We the people”, since that’s the part they quote the most. Everything after that can just be made up as the need arises.

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Alyosha  Jul 3, 2016 • 7:11:28am

re: #266 jeffreyw

Until I saw the glasses, I thought that was a kitty with a shaved butt.

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darthstar  Jul 3, 2016 • 7:11:35am

Elie Wiesel died. I read his work in college. It was powerful stuff. Then I open twitter and people are using his death to take shots at Bernie Sanders and I’ll all “What the fuck?” Finally drove me to mute a long-time lizard whose grumpy ramblings are often entertaining, though his obsession with Sanders makes no sense.

Oh well, it’s only the internet.

Mornin’

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 3, 2016 • 7:12:14am

re: #269 Alyosha

Until I saw the glasses, I thought that was a kitty with a shaved butt.

That’s what I first “saw” as I scrolled down

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 3, 2016 • 7:14:15am

re: #267 FormerDirtDart

If the UK companies want to relocate they will follow the example of those from the former crown colony of Hong Kong; they will base themselves in Bermuda.

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darthstar  Jul 3, 2016 • 7:15:03am
Click to Reveal

I don’t use spoiler tags often. Keep that in mind as you resist the urge to reveal.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 3, 2016 • 7:15:19am

First thoughts:
Lawyers cost money…
And, I wonder is those bastards are trying to sell their “rights” to federal land…

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 3, 2016 • 7:16:39am

So…..off to Prague tomorrow morning, bright and early. Gonna stay for a day, then the Iron Maiden concert Tuesday evening at Eden Arena. Then I’ll stay one more evening and head back home Wednesday morning.

To get to Prague, I’ve decided to try Leo Express, a new(ish) train company. This is what I’ll be taking to get there:

le.cz (I’m going business class)

and here’s where I’ll be staying:

botelracek.cz (because, why the hell not?)

Should be interesting. And very much looking forward to Iron Maiden; this will mark the fourth time I’ve seen them.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 3, 2016 • 7:21:15am

re: #275 Dr Lizardo

Enjoy your trip and concert.

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darthstar  Jul 3, 2016 • 7:22:17am

I know we’re taking the battle to ISIS but please tell me this isn’t an official logo…shit…blue checkmark.

I’m not big on the raining death from above imagery.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 3, 2016 • 7:23:12am

re: #275 Dr Lizardo

So…..off to Prague tomorrow morning, bright and early. Gonna stay for a day, then the Iron Maiden concert Tuesday evening at Eden Arena. Then I’ll stay one more evening and head back home Wednesday morning.

To get to Prague, I’ve decided to try Leo Express, a new(ish) train company. This is what I’ll be taking to get there:

le.cz (I’m going business class)

and here’s where I’ll be staying:

botelracek.cz (because, why the hell not?)

Should be interesting. And very much looking forward to Iron Maiden; this will mark the fourth time I’ve seen them.

Is Leo Express a private company, using the national rail system, like Pullman did back in the day? Pretty cushy train.

Enjoy your semi-nautical stay!

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 3, 2016 • 7:24:59am

re: #276 PhillyPretzel

Enjoy your trip and concert.

I hope I will. Should be fun.

The reason I decided to try business class (which isn’t exactly cheap) is because a student of mine had a discount voucher (he’s a frequent traveller) for 60% off and he let me have the voucher because he had plenty more and didn’t need it.

Very nice of him. :) I told him I’d pick up a T-Shirt for him.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 3, 2016 • 7:28:44am

re: #278 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Is Leo Express a private company, using the national rail system, like Pullman did back in the day? Pretty cushy train.

Enjoy your semi-nautical stay!

Yes, Leo Express is a private company that uses the national railway system. They started up a couple of years back. Aside from the state railway company, there’s one other private railway company, Student Agency; the most positive thing is that now having some competition, the state railway agency has lowered their prices and now offers promotions in order to compete.

That being said, the two private companies here really only run the Prague-Brno-Ostrava route, and anything else in between is handled by České Dráhy. And of course, there’s several private bus carriers to choose from, including Student Agency and Leo Express.

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darthstar  Jul 3, 2016 • 7:30:14am
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FormerDirtDart  Jul 3, 2016 • 7:31:12am

re: #277 darthstar

I know we’re taking the battle to ISIS but please tell me this isn’t an official logo…shit…blue checkmark.

I’m not big on the raining death from above imagery.

That imagery depicts a plane discharging defensive countermeasures against the threat of incoming heat seeking missiles…

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jeffreyw  Jul 3, 2016 • 7:31:50am

re: #269 Alyosha

re: #269 Alyosha

Until I saw the glasses, I thought that was a kitty with a shaved butt.

I think the kitteh groomers call that a Brazilian.

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darthstar  Jul 3, 2016 • 7:34:57am

re: #282 FormerDirtDart

That imagery depicts a plane discharging defensive countermeasures against the threat of incoming heat seeking missiles…

Holy shit. When did ISIS get heat seeking missiles? And boats! (That pic is over the water too). I suppose it’s no big deal. If I was involved in the fight against ISIS I’d want a cool banner too. I still think it looks like death from above.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 3, 2016 • 7:35:55am

re: #280 Dr Lizardo

Yes, Leo Express is a private company that uses the national railway system. They started up a couple of years back. Aside from the state railway company, there’s one other private railway company, Student Agency; the most positive thing is that now having some competition, the state railway agency has lowered their prices and now offers promotions in order to compete.

That being said, the two private companies here really only run the Prague-Brno-Ostrava route, and anything else in between is handled by České Dráhy. And of course, there’s several private bus carriers to choose from, including Student Agency and Leo Express.

That’s very cool. AFAIK, there’s nothing like it in China. I think it would be impossible in the USA, too. Regulatory issues aside, any company would have to negotiate ROW not only with Amtrak, but with all the freight rail carriers, who barely allow Amtrak ROW as it is.

When I was in Denver last sumer, I visited the transportation museum, and saw a few private cars for corporate use. These would be hauled by regular passenger trains (for a fee) back when people actually traveled by rail in the USA. I’m not sure such a practice still exists.

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nines09  Jul 3, 2016 • 7:36:36am

re: #281 darthstar

All that’s missing is a cigarette in his left hand. He’s got a 38 in his right.

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darthstar  Jul 3, 2016 • 7:39:10am

Alright…shit to do…got to go build some Ikea furniture for my MIL’s condo…the fancy furniture she ordered won’t be built for another 8 weeks, so my wife and I went and bought her a temporary bed, coffee tables, a dining table, etc. yesterday so she can start living there until the permanent stuff arrives.

And yeah, I’ll get to sell all this crap on Craigslist in a month and a half - or donate it…which is easier.

Have a good day everyone.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 3, 2016 • 7:39:32am

re: #286 nines09

All that’s missing is a cigarette in his left hand. He’s got a 38 in his right.

And he’s about to shoot his balls off.

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nines09  Jul 3, 2016 • 7:40:01am

re: #288 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

And he’s about to shoot his balls off.

We can hope.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 3, 2016 • 7:44:04am

re: #287 darthstar

It could be worse …

Image: 12751056_952377344846999_890482579_n.jpg

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 3, 2016 • 7:44:53am

re: #284 darthstar

Holy shit. When did ISIS get heat seeking missiles? And boats! (That pic is over the water too). I suppose it’s no big deal. If I was involved in the fight against ISIS I’d want a cool banner too. I still think it looks like death from above.

ISIS has been known to have gained possession heat seeking MANPADS for a number of years. They’ve shot down a few Iraqi aircraft. SU-25s and helicopters.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 3, 2016 • 7:46:11am

re: #285 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

That’s very cool. AFAIK, there’s nothing like it in China. I think it would be impossible in the USA, too. Regulatory issues aside, any company would have to negotiate ROW not only with Amtrak, but with all the freight rail carriers, who barely allow Amtrak ROW as it is.

When I was in Denver last sumer, I visited the transportation museum, and saw a few private cars for corporate use. These would be hauled by regular passenger trains (for a fee) back when people actually traveled by rail in the USA. I’m not sure such a practice still exists.

I’ve only once taken Leo Express…..it was from somewhere in Southern Moravia back home to Ostrava. I was with a friend of mine and some of her friends. Long story short, she was too tired and grumpy to wait for the České Dráhy train back here, so we hopped on a Leo Express train and came back. Not expensive at all, either.

Here’s an article about Leo Express and it’s founder.

huffingtonpost.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 3, 2016 • 7:52:14am

re: #286 nines09

All that’s missing is a cigarette in his left hand. He’s got a 38 in his right.

And the 38 is pointed right at his dick…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 3, 2016 • 7:55:14am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 3, 2016 • 7:56:35am

re: #292 Dr Lizardo

I’ve only once taken Leo Express…..it was from somewhere in Southern Moravia back home to Ostrava. I was a friend of mine and some of her friends. Long story short, she was too tired and grumpy to wait for the České Dráhy train back here, so we hopped on a Leo Express train and came back. Not expensive at all, either.

Here’s an article about Leo Express and it’s founder.

huffingtonpost.com

He’s planning to enter the American market. I hope he succeeds. Competition will be hard on Amtrak, whose budget is hamstringed by a cheapskate Congress, but more interest in rail travel will spill over to Amtrak and maybe boost its ridership.

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Targetpractice  Jul 3, 2016 • 7:59:34am

re: #294 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“Political interference”? Last I checked, Bill is retired from office and has been so for nearly two decades. He has no authority over Lynch whatsoever. And there remains absolutely no evidence that the investigation was broached during their conversation, let alone that he did anything to “interfere” in it.

Like most Clinton conspiracies, “looks bad” is now being viewed as a crime in itself.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 3, 2016 • 8:01:46am

re: #295 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

He’s planning to enter the American market. I hope he succeeds. Competition will be hard on Amtrak, whose budget is hamstringed by a cheapskate Congress, but more interest in rail travel will spill over to Amtrak and maybe boost its ridership.

Maybe; I love rail travel, personally. I have one student - who’s also become a friend - and she relies exclusively on rail or bus travel for long distance journeys. She refuses to own a car and she loathes flying, though she will hop on a plane if she absolutely has to, of course, unlike another friend of mine who simply and flatly refuses to fly anywhere. She’ll take trains or buses here around Europe. I asked her once, “How would you get to China if you needed to?” Of course……by train. Which is entirely possible.

Prague to Moscow, Moscow to Beijing. That’s one hell of a long train trip.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 3, 2016 • 8:08:16am

re: #294 Backwoods_Sleuth

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So we’re to believe that a politically savvy former President would be dumb enough to meet with the AG in public to ask her to interfere with his wife’s investigations? This is one of the sillier Clinton “scandals”.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 3, 2016 • 8:10:33am

re: #297 Dr Lizardo

Maybe; I love rail travel, personally. I have one student - who’s also become a friend - and she relies exclusively on rail or bus travel for long distance journeys. She refuses to own a car and she loathes flying, though she will hop on a plane if she absolutely has to, of course, unlike another friend of mine who simply and flatly refuses to fly anywhere. She’ll take trains or buses here around Europe. I asked her once, “How would you get to China if you needed to?” Of course……by train. Which is entirely possible.

Prague to Moscow, Moscow to Beijing. That’s one hell of a long train trip.

I had friends who were going to try it from Beijing to Moscow, but they changed their minds when they realized they’d be on train for almost a week.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 3, 2016 • 8:10:48am

re: #260 SoundGuy 2016

I am sure all of you will be shocked by this news:

Donald Trump’s “Star of David” Hillary Clinton Meme Was Created by White Supremacists

And the sky is blue and water is wet.

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sagehen  Jul 3, 2016 • 8:14:32am

totally OT: a fun story I just learned from a documentary about the post-Civil War years (The American West, on AMC, exec produced by Robert Redford. Highly recommed.)

So Jesse James and his brother Frank and their gang have decided, because they’re angry Confederates, that it’s not enough to rob railroads and local banks. They decide they’re going to rob the Mississippi Reconstruction governor’s hometown bank, where his money is. In Minnesota.

So the James Gang goes to Northfield MN, scout the area, plan their daring daylight bank robbery, and…

They don’t realize it’s opening day of hunting season. Downtown is full of hunters in various Main Street shops picking up extra ammo, lunch, and whatever other supplies they need for the day, they all have their hunting rifles, they’ve all been doing weeks of target practice to prepare…

The James Gang goes into the bank and shoots the ceiling “everyone down, open the safe”, but the bank manager isn’t there, the usual cashier isn’t there, there’s no cash at the teller windows because depositors have been coming by for the last couple of hours getting what they need to buy their hunting supplies. Jesse shoots and kills a bank employee. By this time, they’ve been in the bank longer than the entire heist was supposed to take. And they’ve attracted a lot of attention because the shots were so loud.

Townspeople with hunting rifles are on balconys and behind wagons, to do battle with the James Gang who are armed with Confederate pistols. Some of the gang escapes, the townspeople chase after them (it is hunting season after all. Unrepentant Confederate Outlaws is much better game than whitetail deer). Almost the entire James Gang dies. Jesse and Frank live through it and have to go into hiding, but they’ve lost all their friends from childhood who they served with in the Civil War…

For an extra level of irony… the safe wasn’t even locked. If they’d just tried the handle instead of wasting time roughing up bank staff and yelling threats, they’d have had a big score and been on their way intact.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 3, 2016 • 8:18:14am

re: #301 sagehen

I remember reading about that escapade when I was a kid….my parents had that “Old West” series of books from Time/Life and that featured in one of the volumes.

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Jay C  Jul 3, 2016 • 8:35:30am

re: #295 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

He’s planning to enter the American market. I hope he succeeds. Competition will be hard on Amtrak, whose budget is hamstringed by a cheapskate Congress, but more interest in rail travel will spill over to Amtrak and maybe boost its ridership.

Fascinating article.

I hope he makes it, too, though he will probably have a harder row to hoe in the US than he did in the Czech Republic. For one thing, Czechs, like most Europeans, have a long-ingrained habit of using rail transport for medium distances, and have built the infrastructure to go with it. Americans, not so much. For another (notwithstanding the golly-gosh, gee-whiz! tone of the HuffPo piece), Novotny’s issues, if any, with the state rail company seem to have gotten glossed over. There seem to been have no serious objections or regulatory barriers put in the way of him starting up, no exorbitant ROW fees, etc. Nice for him: shows what what can do with a civilized government.
In this country, though, there are two, not three stumbling-blocks in the way of a rail startup like a US Leo Express: one: Amtrak itself, which has a monopoly on interstate passenger rail; second, the fact that like Amtrak, a US Leo would have to use somebody else’s trackage: the private rail corporations that still own most of the rails and still prioritize their freight haulage over passenger service wherever possible.

I really hope to be proved wrong, though: rail service in the US is a hugely neglected and under-invested segment of our transportation infrastructure, and despite its utility in so many areas, investment in it seems to attract little-to-no interest form the government or the public.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 3, 2016 • 8:36:27am

“The bottom line is this is political correctness run amok. If this were to be a star next to Hillary Clinton without the cash behind it, no one would be questioning this,” Lewandowski said.

O_o

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lizardofid  Jul 3, 2016 • 8:38:18am

Morning all,

Something suddenly occurred to me. Garrison Keillors’ retirement of PHC will leave quite a hole in my workbench radio on Sunday mornings going forward.

: (

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jaunte  Jul 3, 2016 • 8:41:59am

re: #304 Backwoods_Sleuth

One more case of a Trump fan trying to pretend the objection to his behavior is the real problem.

“…In a typical case of running amok, an individual (often male), having shown no previous sign of anger or any inclination to violence, will acquire a weapon (traditionally a sword or dagger, but presently any of a variety of weapons) and in a sudden frenzy, will attempt to kill or seriously injure anyone he encounters and himself.”
en.wikipedia.org

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HappyWarrior  Jul 3, 2016 • 8:42:39am

re: #304 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

O_o

Their bigotry being called out on is always “political correctness run amok” but yet if you mock Donald, he’ll threaten to sue you.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jul 3, 2016 • 8:45:15am

‘political correctness’ is the last defense of a wingnut scoundrel.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 3, 2016 • 8:46:02am

re: #308 SoundGuy 2016

‘political correctness’ is the last defense of a wingnut scoundrel.

“I’m just not a politically correct person, okay?” //

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Jay C  Jul 3, 2016 • 8:46:56am

re: #304 Backwoods_Sleuth

“The bottom line is this is political correctness run amok. If this were to be a star next to Hillary Clinton without the cash behind it, no one would be questioning this,” Lewandowski said.

SMDH - does this baffoon not realize that the fucking star IS the offensive bit, not the “cash”?? Or does he just not care?
Or option 3: Corey Lewandowski is just a goddam idiot…

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nines09  Jul 3, 2016 • 8:48:11am

re: #304 Backwoods_Sleuth

So CNN hires this POS and gives him leverage to still run his mouth. Nice job, CNN……BREAKING……THIS JUST IN……………………CNN SUCKS……

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Great White Snark  Jul 3, 2016 • 8:50:27am

re: #311 nines09

So CNN hires this POS and gives him leverage to still run his mouth. Nice job, CNN……BREAKING……THIS JUST IN……………………CNN SUCKS……

The Hoffa and the plane is still missing and CNN still sucks.

313
Great White Snark  Jul 3, 2016 • 8:54:09am

By the way, do any of you use Periscope? I was impressed by it’s use in the filibuster, put it on my new Samsung edge. If someone is doing a ‘scope from some interesting place, might it embed here if only while live? Or the saved broadcast in a Page?

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 3, 2016 • 8:54:19am

I’m leaning toward fireworks…

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 3, 2016 • 8:56:01am

re: #314 FormerDirtDart

It most likely is fireworks.

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nines09  Jul 3, 2016 • 8:56:14am

re: #312 Great White Snark

The Hoffa and the plane is still missing and CNN still sucks.

This election has shown just how screwed up our so called free press is.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 3, 2016 • 8:56:15am

re: #303 Jay C

Oh, there were issues, IIRC. České Dráhy (the state railway company) screamed bloody murder at the prospect of competition…..as far as they’re concerned, they’re the only game in town and it’s supposed to stay that way.

It helped, to be honest, that Novotný is well-connected and was able to use his influence to get Leo Express off the ground, despite ČD’s livid objections. The owner of Student Agency is also a very well-connected person as well. In these two cases, they used their influence for something that benefits the general public……and enriched them further, to boot.

That being said, I’m not a big fan of monopolies and especially as in the case of České Dráhy, it was grotesquely inefficient. When I first came here in 2001, ČD was indeed the only game in town, and they still maintain some really old rolling stock. It works, but it lacks the creature comforts of the most modern trains, such as WiFi and air conditioning. The fanciest train ČD has in its rolling stock is a couple of Pendolino trains.

en.wikipedia.org

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Joe Bacon  Jul 3, 2016 • 8:57:09am

re: #246 Ming5000

Just finished reading this after an LGFer berated dumtwits for never having actually read the Constitution of the United States of America:

Embedded Image

Reminds me of when Captain Kirk read it…

Captain Kirk’s Constitutional Speech

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nines09  Jul 3, 2016 • 8:59:06am

re: #314 FormerDirtDart

I’m leaning toward fireworks…

[Embedded content]

Quarter or half stick I’d bet. If I was caught today with the fireworks I used to buy. I would be a suspected terrorist.
Have a great day all.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 3, 2016 • 8:59:25am

re: #314 FormerDirtDart

I’m leaning toward fireworks…

[Embedded content]

re: #315 PhillyPretzel

Possible amputation after explosion in Central Park injures man

…An eyewitness told CBS New York that a man was climbing a rock structure and stepped on something that “exploded.”…

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Nyet  Jul 3, 2016 • 8:59:58am

re: #260 SoundGuy 2016

I am sure all of you will be shocked by this news:

Donald Trump’s “Star of David” Hillary Clinton Meme Was Created by White Supremacists

Well, my initial hunch was amply confirmed.

And afterwards they even lied about one of the interns creating it.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 3, 2016 • 9:03:24am

re: #321 Nyet

Well, my initial hunch was amply confirmed.

And afterwards they even lied about one of the interns creating it.

The interns under Donald’s bus go round and round.

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Tigger2  Jul 3, 2016 • 9:03:54am

re: #313 Great White Snark

By the way, do any of you use Periscope? I was impressed by it’s use in the filibuster, put it on my new Samsung edge. If someone is doing a ‘scope from some interesting place, might it embed here if only while live? Or the saved broadcast in a Page?

Here’s a link where you can keep an eye on and watch Perascope brocast on the net.

liveomg.com

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Joe Bacon  Jul 3, 2016 • 9:05:35am

re: #321 Nyet

Well, my initial hunch was amply confirmed.

And afterwards they even lied about one of the interns creating it.

Now are the GOP stenographers in the Corporate Controlled Conservative Press going to talk about this or will they still continue to cover up Trump’s lies?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 3, 2016 • 9:07:14am

re: #324 Joe Bacon

Now are the GOP stenographers in the Corporate Controlled Conservative Press going to talk about this or will they still continue to cover up Trump’s lies?

Probably more excuses.

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Tigger2  Jul 3, 2016 • 9:08:50am

re: #323 Tigger2

Here’s a link where you can keep an eye on and watch Perascope brocast on the net.

liveomg.com

If you got the link before I changed it, to get all the brodcast click the x on the top gainers so you can get to all the Brodcast. The one in my past here is the right one.

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Great White Snark  Jul 3, 2016 • 9:10:41am

re: #323 Tigger2

I tried Livestream a while ago, not quite ready for what I had in mind. Dropouts etc. I thought it might be interesting to bring something here with it.

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Tigger2  Jul 3, 2016 • 9:12:59am

re: #327 Great White Snark

I tried Livestream a while ago, not quite ready for what I had in mind. Dropouts etc. I thought it might be interesting to bring something here with it.

Yeah you have to reload a lot sometimes to keep it going. I go to that site a few times a day sometimes you can find some intresting stuff on it, but you have to weed through a lot of trash. lol

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 3, 2016 • 9:15:02am

MSM picks it up
“it’s good for the horse race”

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Ming5000  Jul 3, 2016 • 9:21:23am

re: #281 darthstar

Don’t aim at something unless you intend to shoot it.

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Great White Snark  Jul 3, 2016 • 9:21:42am

re: #328 Tigger2

I enjoy doing documentary video. Taking the technology challenge out widens the possibilities. Might take two to go for it live. But once the broadcast is in it looks like the url would link fine. I’ve not tested it to see if it drops in here as nice as YouTube.

Well what the heck..

The video itself would not embed but the Tweet drops in ok.

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Skip Intro  Jul 3, 2016 • 9:23:12am

re: #304 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

O_o

CNN, you can still save a shred of your credibility by firing this guy on air TODAY!

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Tigger2  Jul 3, 2016 • 9:23:43am

re: #331 Great White Snark

I enjoy doing documentary video. Taking the technology challenge out widens the possibilities. Might take two to go for it live. But once the broadcast is in it looks like the url would link fine. I’ve not tested it to see if it drops in here as nice as YouTube.

Well what the heck..

[Embedded content]

Nice little greenhouse.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 3, 2016 • 9:24:11am
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Great White Snark  Jul 3, 2016 • 9:24:20am

re: #333 Tigger2

Thanks. That’s all Dragon_Lady. No more vertical video I promise.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 3, 2016 • 9:26:15am

re: #334 FormerDirtDart

[Embedded content]

If he doesn’t campaign for her, Rick will say, it’s because he knows she’s guilty of something, if he does, it’s this crap. Frothy should just go back to funding really really bad Christian films rather than offering his insight that makes him look like Alex Jones.

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Tigger2  Jul 3, 2016 • 9:27:54am

re: #335 Great White Snark

Thanks. That’s all Dragon_Lady. No more vertical video I promise.

LOL I watch cooking brodcast and all kinds of stuff on there. I also like being able to see all the different beaches arond the world

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 3, 2016 • 9:28:26am

Magic amazes primate…

Iframe

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Targetpractice  Jul 3, 2016 • 9:28:43am

re: #334 FormerDirtDart

[Embedded content]

What I see are wingnuts slowly working themselves around to the reality that there will no indictment, there will be no criminal charges, and she will not be found to have broken the law. However, they never want to admit they were wrong, so they were always going to cry foul and accuse somebody in the government of “fixing” the outcome.

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Ming5000  Jul 3, 2016 • 9:32:14am

re: #318 Joe Bacon

Gee, the Yangs are better than they RWNJs we have in Congress. The Yangs “do not fully understand. But, the sacred words will be obeyed.”

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Skip Intro  Jul 3, 2016 • 9:34:07am

re: #329 FormerDirtDart

MSM picks it up
“it’s good for the horse race”

[Embedded content]

So we learn two thing about Trump that everybody paying attention to this con already knows; he steals other peoples material and he scours white supremacy sites to find it.

The evidence is clear, so why not take it to the next level media?

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 3, 2016 • 9:35:37am
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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 3, 2016 • 9:35:45am

re: #246 Ming5000

Just finished reading this after an LGFer berated dumtwits for never having actually read the Constitution of the United States of America:

Embedded Image

But a true “originalist” would say that all that only applies to the original people who wrote it; e.g. white males. Therefore, everyone else should roll over and submit so that they may maximize their domestic tranquility, general welfare, security, etc.

/ sorta

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HappyWarrior  Jul 3, 2016 • 9:36:38am

re: #342 FormerDirtDart

[Embedded content]

The Nazichurian Candidate.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 3, 2016 • 9:50:46am

re: #274 FormerDirtDart

First thoughts:
Lawyers cost money…
And, I wonder is those bastards are trying to sell their “rights” to federal land…

[Embedded content]

Why does the Bundy Ranch sign have a foreigner immigrant cow on it?
(Brahman breed was created by cross-breeding three breeds of cattle from India.)

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lizardofid  Jul 3, 2016 • 9:57:55am

re: #345 Feline Fearless Leader

Why does the Bundy Ranch sign have a foreigner immigrant cow on it?
(Brahman breed was created by cross-breeding three breeds of cattle from India.)

Yep, and to be honest, calling 140 acres ranch is a bit of a stretch.

Edit:

I guess that’s unfair. 140 acres might well be considered a ranch. But in the photos I’ve seen, them Bundy boys wore mighty big hats for 140 acres. I’m just sayin.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 3, 2016 • 10:01:00am
Bees!
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 3, 2016 • 10:04:19am

Looks like Paul Hamsmeir, of the infamous Prenda Law scamfest, and lately doing an ADA scam mill, has voluntarily surrendered his law license for four years.

Of course, he still isn’t out of the woods-his Chapter 7 bankruptcy was put on hold, and he’s still a subject of an FBI investigation.

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Joe Bacon  Jul 3, 2016 • 10:04:44am

re: #267 FormerDirtDart

I’m so damn confused…
I thought the GOP was telling me BREXIT was good for UK sovereignty and it’s people…
But how is that now businesses will need to mover further away from their traditional markets in order to succeed, and how is stripping away jobs good for the citizenry of the UK?
And, I thought that the US’ Taxes on businesses were the worst in the world…
?????????????????????????????????????????????
/s/

[Embedded content]

So how does Mr. Texit reconcile this with his pro-secessionist views?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jul 3, 2016 • 10:06:44am

Is it me, or is Vox turning incredibly stupid?

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 3, 2016 • 10:08:49am

re: #350 Ziggy_TARDIS

Is it me, or is Vox turning incredibly stupid?

[Embedded content]

Simply appealing to patriotism as an attack on the opposition. SOP.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 3, 2016 • 10:10:08am

re: #350 Ziggy_TARDIS

Is it me, or is Vox turning incredibly stupid?

[Embedded content]

Liberals don’t celebrate the American revolution? There’s a big difference between admitting that true equality was not achieved in 1776 and not seeing its historical importance.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 3, 2016 • 10:10:34am

re: #351 Feline Fearless Leader

Simply appealing to patriotism as an attack on the opposition. SOP.

It’s a proven fact, liberals hate apple pie, baseball, rock n roll, and hot dogs.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jul 3, 2016 • 10:10:52am

re: #352 HappyWarrior

Yeah, I thought that was incredibly dumb.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 3, 2016 • 10:13:30am

re: #354 Ziggy_TARDIS

Yeah, I thought that was incredibly dumb.

FFL is right though, it’s appealing to patriotism as an attack on the opposition. Of course, if you want to piss off conservatives, you point out that the founders were the liberals of theri day and the conservatives of that era were either absolute monarchists or remained in favor of staying with Britain.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 3, 2016 • 10:15:04am

re: #353 HappyWarrior

It’s a proven fact, liberals hate apple pie, baseball, rock n roll, and hot dogs.

Apples are Old World.
Baseball is derived from Cricket.
Hot Dogs are German.

I’ll give you rock and roll. But if we REALLY want to be All American, it should be Pumpkin pie, basketball, blues, and barbecue.

357
Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 3, 2016 • 10:16:41am

re: #355 HappyWarrior

FFL is right though, it’s appealing to patriotism as an attack on the opposition. Of course, if you want to piss off conservatives, you point out that the founders were the liberals of theri day and the conservatives of that era were either absolute monarchists or remained in favor of staying with Britain.

And given what holiday is tomorrow it’s an obvious approach to hit on this weekend since a lot of people are doing their chest-beating “I bleed red, white, and blue!” schtick right now.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 3, 2016 • 10:17:00am

re: #356 Blind Frog Belly White

Apples are Old World.
Baseball is derived from Cricket.
Hot Dogs are German.

I’ll give you rock and roll. But if we REALLY want to be All American, it should be Pumpkin pie, basketball, blues, and barbecue.

Potatoes too.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 3, 2016 • 10:17:27am

re: #352 HappyWarrior

Liberals don’t celebrate the American revolution? There’s a big difference between admitting that true equality was not achieved in 1776 and not seeing its historical importance.

NO! The country was PERFECT after the 2nd Amendment was ratified! It’s only gone downhill from there!!!

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HappyWarrior  Jul 3, 2016 • 10:17:31am

re: #357 Feline Fearless Leader

And given what holiday is tomorrow it’s an obvious approach to hit on this weekend since a lot of people are doing their chest-beating “I bleed red, white, and blue!” schtick right now.

Yeah. I can’t even be offended by it. It’s just so silly.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 3, 2016 • 10:18:52am

re: #358 HappyWarrior

Potatoes too.

Salsa - the condiment, not the dance. But the dance, too.

Corn in all its forms, from sweet corn to tortillas, but most especially cornbread!

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jul 3, 2016 • 10:20:59am

Best friend is still hanging on to Sanders.

I am going to attack that. The two things I will use are Sanders poor records on Gun Control and Immigration, along with the fact that there is no room for idealism in politics.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 3, 2016 • 10:22:45am

re: #361 Blind Frog Belly White

Salsa - the condiment, not the dance. But the dance, too.

Corn in all its forms, from sweet corn to tortillas, but most especially cornbread!

I was thinking about that the other day regarding corn. It’s pretty crazy to think that most of us with European ancestors did not eat it for the first time until the 17th century or so.

364
Viscous Obama  Jul 3, 2016 • 10:23:32am

Hey, you know that image Trump tweeted yesterday? It came from fucking /pol/

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 3, 2016 • 10:23:50am

re: #362 Ziggy_TARDIS

Best friend is still hanging on to Sanders.

I am going to attack that. The two things I will use are Sanders poor records on Gun Control and Immigration, along with the fact that there is no room for idealism in politics.

Plenty of room for it actually since it is the far goal to work for. Otherwise, it’s all opportunism making short random jumps all over the place without any apparent principles guiding it. And the latter is as bad, or worse, as a purist since you have to live with the fear that the opportunist will simply be bought at some point.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 3, 2016 • 10:25:31am

re: #364 Viscous Obama

Hey, you know that image Trump tweeted yesterday? It came from fucking /pol/

Yup

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HappyWarrior  Jul 3, 2016 • 10:26:27am

re: #366 Stanley Sea

Yup

[Embedded content]

Even more the stunning is how the media shrugs it off.

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Skip Intro  Jul 3, 2016 • 10:27:14am

re: #366 Stanley Sea

Not really. The Trump family has always been friends with the KKK.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jul 3, 2016 • 10:31:23am

re: #365 Feline Fearless Leader

For me, it more what will be the best for the most amount of people. For this reason I am Socialist. Not some pie in the sky candidate. It can’t get anything done, but in increments.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 3, 2016 • 10:35:46am

re: #369 Ziggy_TARDIS

For me, it more what will be the best for the most amount of people. For this reason I am Socialist. Not some pie in the sky candidate. It can’t get anything done, but in increments.

So we’re both looking for something in the moderate middle then? Has guiding principles and goals, but understands that they have to be worked towards in incremental steps and via consensus since they cannot be broadly imposed* from above?

* - Note however that part of leadership is picking places where something does have to be imposed. Ex: Truman desegregating the military.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 3, 2016 • 10:36:28am

re: #356 Blind Frog Belly White

Apples are Old World.
Baseball is derived from Cricket.
Hot Dogs are German.

I’ll give you rock and roll. But if we REALLY want to be All American, it should be Pumpkin pie, basketball, blues, and barbecue.

Nope, you’re all wrong.
It’s sex, drugs, and rock and roll.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jul 3, 2016 • 10:37:57am

re: #370 Feline Fearless Leader

Yes.

I am seeing too many people jumping down stupid road.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 3, 2016 • 10:39:01am

re: #371 Backwoods_Sleuth

Nope, you’re all wrong.
It’s sex, drugs, and rock and roll.

Ian Dury & The Blockheads - ‘Sex & Drugs & Rock ‘n’ Roll’ [1977 single with lyrics]

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451_Montag  Jul 3, 2016 • 10:40:04am
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ObserverArt  Jul 3, 2016 • 10:47:53am

I saw some comments earlier about people firing off fireworks all weekend long. Well, Columbus makes it a thing.

We always have a huge 4th Weekend fireworks blowout called Red, White and Boom. It’s been going on for 40 years plus or so. Many times they try to get it on a day that is not the 4th, but right around it preferably on a Friday. This year that made Friday the 1st the day for the big blowout.

Then the smaller suburbs around the area can have their celebrations on other nights, many having traditional 4th displays.

So blame us! Central Ohio is 4 days of fireworks and the residents are into it all over the city the whole time.

And if you don’t have any fireworks and need to see some to put you in a 4th mood, here is the entire Red, White and Boom 20 plus minute program as put on by NBC Channel 4 and WNCI radio doing the soundtrack.

Go to the 20 minute mark in the video and watch the finale if you just want a few minutes of Boom.

Iframe

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 3, 2016 • 10:52:02am

And since I am listening to Ian Dury stuff on YouTube, here’s another one. (I was just starting high school when this stuff charted - and the FM station in Ottawa did play it.)

Ian Dury - Hit Me With Your Rhythm Stick [Official Video]

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 3, 2016 • 11:17:12am

Dead thread! Only one thing to do!

Box of Kittens

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Ming5000  Jul 3, 2016 • 1:05:07pm

re: #377 Feline Fearless Leader

lol… nice


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