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Dr. Matt  Apr 30, 2019 • 10:48:57am

Trump’s Fed Nominee Stephen Moore Holds ‘Radical’ Position on Child Labor: I Want People to ‘Work at 11, 12’

According to a new report from the New York Times, Moore’s past position child labor has come to light and brought unwanted negative attention to Moore’s nomination.

The report reads:

During a 2016 debate on the minimum wage, for example, Mr. Moore talked about how to get more Americans into the labor force. In a serious tone, Mr. Moore said he would like to see more preteens working.

“I’m a radical on this,” he said. “I’d get rid of a lot of these child labor laws. I want people starting to work at 11, 12.”

The writings and statements under scrutiny span nearly two decades of Mr. Moore’s career. They include one, which Mr. Moore has called an attempt at humor, that called for women to be barred from officiating or serving beer at N.C.A.A. men’s basketball games.

Another fucking deplorable….

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HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2019 • 10:49:46am

Our President is a fascist and I fear the left may be divided between people who want immediate change now and incrementalists. Need an united front to beat this fascist.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2019 • 10:51:50am

re: #1 Dr. Matt

Trump’s Fed Nominee Stephen Moore Holds ‘Radical’ Position on Child Labor: I Want People to ‘Work at 11, 12’

According to a new report from the New York Times, Moore’s past position child labor has come to light and brought unwanted negative attention to Moore’s nomination.

The report reads:

Another fucking deplorable….

re: #1 Dr. Matt

Trump’s Fed Nominee Stephen Moore Holds ‘Radical’ Position on Child Labor: I Want People to ‘Work at 11, 12’

According to a new report from the New York Times, Moore’s past position child labor has come to light and brought unwanted negative attention to Moore’s nomination.

The report reads:

Another fucking deplorable….

He and his views belong in the 19th century. Would love to see him actually work for a living rather than be a bloviator for the horrible policies of yesteryear.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2019 • 10:52:56am

Ah! Moore is another dead beat Dad I see.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 30, 2019 • 10:53:58am

re: #1 Dr. Matt

Trump’s Fed Nominee Stephen Moore Holds ‘Radical’ Position on Child Labor: I Want People to ‘Work at 11, 12’

According to a new report from the New York Times, Moore’s past position child labor has come to light and brought unwanted negative attention to Moore’s nomination.

The report reads:

Another fucking deplorable….

If Grandpa and Grandma Bacon were still alive they would be LIVID over this piece of shit calling for repeal of child labor laws.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 30, 2019 • 10:55:09am

I would wish he have rheumatoid arthritis for just 24 hours and see what I go thru every day!

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Belafon  Apr 30, 2019 • 10:55:23am

re: #1 Dr. Matt

Trump’s Fed Nominee Stephen Moore Holds ‘Radical’ Position on Child Labor: I Want People to ‘Work at 11, 12’

According to a new report from the New York Times, Moore’s past position child labor has come to light and brought unwanted negative attention to Moore’s nomination.

The report reads:

Another fucking deplorable….

We’re not going to become a third world country if young people keep going to school.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 30, 2019 • 10:55:26am

Looks like someone is trying to create plausible deniability:

The ambassador to Washington representing Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaidó says the U.S. played no role in coordinating the uprising in Caracas against President Nicolás Maduro.

Carlos Vecchio said in a news conference that the protest “is a movement headed by Venezuelans” and the U.S. didn’t intervene.

The United States has recognized Guaidó as Venezuela’s legitimate president and Vecchio as its ambassador in Washington because it sees Maduro’s re-election invalid.

U.S. officials were quick to issue statements of support after Guaidó appeared in the streets Tuesday to call for the military and civilians to rise up.

Demonstrators have been clashing with pro-Maduro troops, but the revolt so far seems to have only limited military backing.

If this coup fails, the administration will wash its hands of the affair. This is why I said earlier that Guaido is a damned fool if he trusts Trump; Trump will throw him straight under the bus in a heartbeat.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2019 • 10:55:37am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 30, 2019 • 10:55:38am

re: #4 HappyWarrior

Ah! Moore is another dead beat Dad I see.

“Only the best people.”

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HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2019 • 10:57:17am

re: #5 Joe Bacon 🌹

If Grandpa and Grandma Bacon were still alive they would be LIVID over this piece of shit calling for repeal of child labor laws.

Idiot hacks are saying what’s wrong with babysitting or mowing the lawn and kids need to learn work ethic blah blah. First of, child labor laws don’t prohibit a child from volunteering to mow lawns. Secondly, these assholes know nothing about work ethic. Moore is just another rich douche who has these elaborate fantasies of a permanent powerful wealthy clsss ruling over the rest of us.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 30, 2019 • 10:57:26am

Guaido is the new Iraqi Kurds.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2019 • 10:58:16am

re: #10 Eclectic Cyborg

“Only the best people.”

Yep. Trump sure has some real winners doesn’t he?

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Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2019 • 10:58:19am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2019 • 10:58:54am

re: #14 Charles Johnson

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They get really pissy when their Emperor is questioned.

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jaunte  Apr 30, 2019 • 10:59:09am

re: #14 Charles Johnson

She needs a comma in there, somewhere.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2019 • 11:01:45am

re: #16 jaunte

She needs a comma in there, somewhere.

But shockingly, she did use the correct form of “you’re.”

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DangerMan  Apr 30, 2019 • 11:02:25am

re: #16 jaunte

She needs a comma in there, somewhere.

gmta!

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Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2019 • 11:03:22am
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jaunte  Apr 30, 2019 • 11:04:34am

Stable clown genius followers given to excitable utterances.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 30, 2019 • 11:05:03am

re: #16 jaunte

She needs a comma coma in there, somewhere.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2019 • 11:07:36am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 11:08:25am

moron is still spewing

UP LIKE A ROCKET!!!

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Alephnaught  Apr 30, 2019 • 11:08:50am

re: #14 Charles Johnson

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“dick head asshole”? Either someone’s really into body horror, or they really need to be taught about basic human anatomy.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 30, 2019 • 11:10:59am

re: #23 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yeah, a North Korean rocket.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 11:11:49am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 11:12:56am

yes, it is!

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Citizen K  Apr 30, 2019 • 11:13:47am

re: #2 HappyWarrior

Unfortunately we have folks who believe the only meaningful change will come about by burning down the entirety of the Democratic party, first and foremost. Apparently, only by ignoring the damage being done by Trump now and focusing all fire on the only meaningful organization of opposition to Trump and the GOP can there be a grand utopia.

They’re even throwing Obama under the bus, ignoring the unprecedented obstruction by the GOP and the Tea Party freakouts. There’s criticizing Obama, and then there’s treating him as literally W’s 3rd and 4th term and the worst president of their lifetimes.

And what’s worse is how much purchase they seem to have in the discourse, if only because politics loves its ‘Dems in Disarray’ narratives, and what better way to sell that narrative than having folks on the left want the entire Dem party wiped out.

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Alephnaught  Apr 30, 2019 • 11:14:52am

re: #22 Charles Johnson

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“You might want to keep your mouth shut”- after a completely unsolicited rant which reveals more about the poster than than the target

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 11:16:10am
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Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2019 • 11:16:38am
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freetoken  Apr 30, 2019 • 11:16:54am

re: #22 Charles Johnson

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 11:17:24am

heh

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Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2019 • 11:19:50am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 11:19:53am
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Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2019 • 11:22:27am
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Dr Lizardo  Apr 30, 2019 • 11:22:52am

Yeah, this has all the hallmarks of becoming a fiasco.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 30, 2019 • 11:24:34am
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Citizen K  Apr 30, 2019 • 11:24:49am

re: #1 Dr. Matt

Trump’s Fed Nominee Stephen Moore Holds ‘Radical’ Position on Child Labor: I Want People to ‘Work at 11, 12’

According to a new report from the New York Times, Moore’s past position child labor has come to light and brought unwanted negative attention to Moore’s nomination.

The report reads:

Another fucking deplorable….

re: #3 HappyWarrior

He and his views belong in the 19th century. Would love to see him actually work for a living rather than be a bloviator for the horrible policies of yesteryear.

re: #5 Joe Bacon 🌹

If Grandpa and Grandma Bacon were still alive they would be LIVID over this piece of shit calling for repeal of child labor laws.

Unfortunate that we have to relitigate the entirety of the Industrial Revolution. Sadly, Moore isn’t even on the fringe with the GOP. Newt Gingrich advocated its return, DeVos’ DoE seems to want its return, Trump’s flirted with the idea, and the Indiana GOP tried to push it not too long ago. With all that, and the friendliest court the GOP could get, we may be seeing the grand return of kids dropping out of middle school to work and keep mom & dad afloat, all backed by the force of the US Gov’t….

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Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2019 • 11:26:44am

Some high-traffic right wing jackass must have sicced the cult on me. They’re really coming at me today.

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Alephnaught  Apr 30, 2019 • 11:28:13am

re: #34 Charles Johnson

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“51/2 yrs”? As in, 25.5 years? Will Trump even live that long?

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Belafon  Apr 30, 2019 • 11:29:52am

re: #41 Alephnaught

“51/2 yrs”? As in, 25.5 years? Will Trump even live that long?

I guess we’re all joking at this one.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2019 • 11:31:38am
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gocart mozart  Apr 30, 2019 • 11:33:12am
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 30, 2019 • 11:40:04am

gotta figure that the US admin + military is orchestrating this push to change things in venezuela today or tomorrow

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Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2019 • 11:40:23am
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 30, 2019 • 11:47:33am

trump supporters will be firmly convinced that somehow democrats would be disappointed to see maduro go, because “socialism”

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Decatur Deb  Apr 30, 2019 • 11:49:30am

re: #40 Charles Johnson

Some high-traffic right wing jackass must have sicced the cult on me. They’re really coming at me today.

Still hit the tip jar for creative hatemail.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2019 • 11:50:13am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 11:50:53am
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Dr. Matt  Apr 30, 2019 • 11:57:07am

re: #50 Backwoods_Sleuth

This one should have called law enforcement for assault and battery:

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 30, 2019 • 11:57:08am

Reminder:
Always watch your step

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 11:57:43am
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Jay C  Apr 30, 2019 • 11:58:35am

re: #45 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

gotta figure that the US admin + military is orchestrating this push to change things in venezuela today or tomorrow

Well, it seems (for now, anyway) that they’re going to be disappointed. And, tbh, they aren’t going to be the only ones. I read a British (Guardian? BBC?) live feed today on the Venezuelan unrest, and it was chock-full of Twitter posts from various other South American governments: all supporting Guaido. Mainly, I guess, over the fact that Maduro’s last election was so blatantly bogus (even by the local standards) that his regime is sort of the neighborhood disgrace.
Can’t say that they’re wrong, though: but I guess in SA (like everywhere else), you can either have strong democratic institutions, or a strong military. And they both have to line up….

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Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:02:04pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:02:13pm
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Dave In Austin  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:03:13pm

re: #56 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I’m glad to see that.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:04:45pm

re: #57 Dave In Austin

I’m glad to see that.

For a second I was thinking ‘He’s glad to see my swollen ankle???’

lol

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:05:27pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:06:46pm

re: #59 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Looks like something out of a really bad 90s music video.

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gocart mozart  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:07:22pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:07:44pm

re: #60 Eclectic Cyborg

Looks like something out of a really bad 90s music video.

Or a cheap early 70’s scifi movie

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:08:54pm

re: #60 Eclectic Cyborg

Looks like something out of a really bad 90s music video.

Or something you could expect to see at Studio 54 in its heyday.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:10:19pm

Well Look at what Jacob Wohl has been up to…

A Michigan college student whose name was used in an embarrassingly bad attempt to smear Pete Buttigieg says two far right conservative activists promised him a house in exchange for going along with accusations of rape against the Democratic presidential candidate.
In a Medium post published under the name Hunter Kelly, which has since been blocked by Medium, “Mayor Pete” was falsely accused of raping Kelly after supposedly meeting him in a Washington, D.C. hotel bar. The post says Kelly awoke in a hotel room after having been sexually assaulted.

Kelly, 19, now denies ever meeting Buttigieg, and denies even ever being in D.C. before this week.

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makeitstop  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:11:13pm

Wilson’s got a theory on why Trump and his spawn filed suit against Deutschebank…

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:11:51pm
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lawhawk  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:12:09pm

re: #61 gocart mozart

Know who’s surging: Warren. She’s overtaken Sanders as well. She had 8 point jump, compared to Biden’s 10. Buttigieg has a 6 point jump.

Sanders and Beto have both seen significant drops.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:13:23pm
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lawhawk  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:14:41pm

re: #65 makeitstop

Well, they had provide income statements to verify that they could repay the loans. And loan underwriters had questions but were overridden by superiors to enable the Trumpworld folks to get additional loans.

Investigators poring through those documents want to see if the numbers match up with the tax info (odds are they wont). There’s a very good chance that everything Trump has ever done is money laundering and financial crimes (fraud, etc.,) and no one has caught up because he’s run the con for such a long time and no one has had the full picture - not even the IRS or NYS DTF.

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Belafon  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:15:10pm

re: #61 gocart mozart

“Oppose Free College”

This is where I get tired of American idiocy. It’s not free college, it’s pay it forward college. It shouldn’t have to be spelled out, but it has to.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:15:28pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:16:14pm

re: #69 lawhawk

Well, they had provide income statements to verify that they could repay the loans. And loan underwriters had questions but were overridden by superiors to enable the Trumpworld folks to get additional loans.

Investigators poring through those documents want to see if the numbers match up with the tax info (odds are they wont). There’s a very good chance that everything Trump has ever done is money laundering and financial crimes (fraud, etc.,) and no one has caught up because he’s run the con for such a long time and no one has had the full picture - not even the IRS or NYS DTF.

I can’t wait for Aunt Maxine to grill those executives over the loan documents.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:17:04pm

re: #66 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Here it comes.

If we look back at major, hardcore crackdowns - such as the Tiananmen Square Massacre and others - we can see it’s almost invariably preceded by kicking out the international media.

When that happens…..you know the shit’s about to hit the fan.

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DangerMan  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:17:14pm

re: #65 makeitstop

Wilson’s got a theory on why Trump and his spawn filed suit against Deutschebank…

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- it could be that they gave tax returns to the bank

- or they gave the bank financial statements that, when compared to tax returns, wouldn’t, well, you know…agree

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Interesting Times  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:18:28pm

re: #73 Dr Lizardo

Here it comes.

If we look back at major, hardcore crackdowns - such as the Tiananmen Square Massacre and others - we can see it’s almost invariably preceded by kicking out the international media.

When that happens…..you know the shit’s about to hit the fan.

Yes…looks like this “coup” is going to go exactly as well as the one in Turkey a while back :/

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:18:30pm

re: #1 Dr. Matt

Trump’s Fed Nominee Stephen Moore Holds ‘Radical’ Position on Child Labor: I Want People to ‘Work at 11, 12’

The GOP wants People who Run The Country Like a Business

Well, that means cutting costs, because things like education, health & safety and environmental protection all eat into the bottom line, which is the lowest possible tax rates for the 1%.

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jaunte  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:23:05pm

re: #59 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Illustrated: Best Case Scenario.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:24:53pm
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jaunte  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:25:42pm

re: #78 Charles Johnson

Calmly guarding crime scene.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:25:47pm

re: #1 Dr. Matt

Moore means that he wants poor people to work at 11, 12, 13. Not people in his class, of course, but just the poor trashy people. When will the Deplorables who aren’t upper class figure this out?

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:26:12pm

re: #75 Interesting Times

Yes…looks like this “coup” is going to go exactly as well as the one in Turkey a while back :/

That’s still a bit of an enigma, for me at least.

Was it really just a botched coup by fanatical military supporters of Fethullah Gülen? That’s not entirely outside the realm of possibility. Or was Erdoğan tipped in advance that a coup was going down, and he decided to take the gamble and let it happen, knowing that he could use it as a pretext to create an absolute stranglehold on power?

Was it a little of both? Or something else entirely?

If it was a genuine attempt at a coup, it has to be one of the worst since the 1991 Soviet coup attempt.

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Dr. Matt  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:26:19pm

Another day, another stupid remark from this asshole…..

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Belafon  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:28:58pm

re: #82 Dr. Matt

Another day, another stupid remark from this asshole…..

Well, it’s a good thing we don’t have to worry about the office of the presidency impeaching Trump.

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lawhawk  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:29:12pm

re: #82 Dr. Matt

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:33:47pm

so the guys in venezuela that bolton had lined up have done gone and balked?

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:34:32pm

An earlier Venezuelan coup led to one of the most iconic news photos of the 20th century.
The priest and the dying soldier, 1962

Even more intense about this picture is the setting, in the background is a carnicería (a butcher’s shop). In Spanish a carnicería means both a “butcher’s shop” and “slaughter, carnage”. The phrase “fue una carnicería” (English equivalent: “it was carnage”) is so common in the Spanish language. The parallel really catches one’s eye and draws the horror of the scene even further.

The photo was taken on June 4 (1962) by Hector Rondón Lovera, photographer of Caracas, for the Venezuelan newspaper “La Republica”. It won the World Press Photo of the Year and the 1963 Pulitzer Prize for Photography.

The priest is Fr. Luis Padilla. He later moved to the United States and died in Sarasota Florida in the 80s.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:36:36pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:39:02pm

What’s the proof that ISIS is not 100% defeated? How about the fact that it’s leader is speaking out. Fuck trump supporters, not just assholes, stupid assholes.

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Belafon  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:40:05pm

re: #87 Patricia Kayden

“It’s too early to be making any real judgements at this point.”

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Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:41:22pm

re: #60 Eclectic Cyborg

Looks like something out of a really bad 90s music video.

Or a really bad 1981 comedy…

en.wikipedia.org

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mmmirele  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:42:04pm

re: #59 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Decatur Deb  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:42:26pm

re: #87 Patricia Kayden

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As we get more sophisticated about the race, we’ll start matching POTUS/VP pairs instead of the less meaningful POTUS frontrunner. Thinking Biden/Harris or Warren/Beto.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:44:16pm

re: #92 Decatur Deb

As we get more sophisticated about the race, we’ll start matching POTUS/VP pairs instead of the less meaningful POTUS frontrunner. Thinking Biden/Harris or Warren/Beto.

Dems need to go with M/F or F/M as I cannot imagine Trump picking a female VP candidate to replace Mike Pence…

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Decatur Deb  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:46:26pm

re: #93 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Dems need to go with M/F or F/M as I cannot imagine Trump picking a female VP candidate to replace Mike Pence…

Pragmatic mix is M/F, Young/Old, East/West.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:47:38pm

given trump’s psychologic makeup i figure that if he loses the election, he’ll quit the next day

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:48:31pm

re: #94 Decatur Deb

Pragmatic mix is M/F, Young/Old, East/West.

Urban/rural, coastal/flyover, etc…

The main emphasis is on a profile that shows that the Dems are not just the part of Rich Old White Guys.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:49:21pm

re: #95 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

given trump’s psychologic makeup i figure that if he loses the election, he’ll quit the next day

Or stand in front of an airbase with a couple dozen disaffected grunts and call on the 82ND ABN to join him.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:50:32pm

re: #96 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The main emphasis is on a profile that shows that the Dems are not just the part of Rich Old White Guys.

That ecological niche is occupied.

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Belafon  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:50:46pm

re: #97 Decatur Deb

Or stand in front of an airbase with a couple dozen disaffected grunts cosplay commandos and call on the 82ND ABN to join him.

FTFY

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jaunte  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:50:51pm
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Interesting Times  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:51:41pm

re: #95 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

given trump’s psychologic makeup i figure that if he loses the election, he’ll quit the next day

No. He knows damn well the only thing protecting him from legal consequences is the presidency (thanks to that herp-derp “can’t indict a sitting president” memo, now granted more authority than the constitution itself). As I said before, the only way he leaves the Oval Office is in a) an ambulance b) a casket c) handcuffs/straitjacket.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:51:44pm

OK, up early for work tomorrow. Have fun, Lizards.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:51:59pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:52:23pm

re: #100 jaunte

Trump paid a $10M fine for offenses related to money laundering.

and yet this is being successfully spun as “political harassment”.

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jaunte  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:53:23pm

re: #86 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I was a kid, living in Maracaibo when that photo was taken. We regularly heard automatic gunfire at night over a period of several weeks. Most of the fighting was around Caracas, though.

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KGxvi  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:53:50pm

re: #27 Backwoods_Sleuth

Kalani Brown (the tallest woman, behind Trump) might be my favorite person in the world right now. Besides that dismissive look in the photo, she apparently posted a video trolling Trump for serving fast food saying “oooookay, donnie, oooookay”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:55:25pm

re: #93 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Dems need to go with M/F or F/M as I cannot imagine Trump picking a female VP candidate to replace Mike Pence…

I’m not so sure hearing Tweety gushing over Trump/Haley…

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:55:28pm

“you have *got* to get on tv right now and repudiate maduro like we agreed!”

“or else what, mustache boy?”

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jaunte  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:56:26pm

Bad Idea Man

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KGxvi  Apr 30, 2019 • 12:59:39pm

re: #109 jaunte

Unlike the Golden Company, I’m guessing he’d break that contract if Maduro offered more money…

GoT spoiler/theory below the fold:

Click to Reveal

The Golden Company is going to double cross Cersei… they were founded by a Targaryen bastard/pretender and the show version will probably take up her cause first chance they get.

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lawhawk  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:01:27pm

Rumors that the coup is falling apart and the perpetrators are fleeing to foreign embassies:

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I Would Prefer Not To  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:01:39pm

re: #95 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

given trump’s psychologic makeup i figure that if he loses the election, he’ll quit the next day

first he issues pardons.

then he quits.

then pence pardons trump. To celebrate becoming prez pence has gay sex.

you heard it here first.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:03:16pm

Just saw this on the Intertubes.

Leopoldo Lopez, the fellow that was in the video with Guiado earlier today, and a prominent opposition leader in Venezuela, is formally seeking asylum from Chile and is now in the Chilean Embassy in Caracas, along with his family - this is according to Chile’s Foreign Minister.

Looks like this coup seems to be winding down, especially if one of the coup leaders is now seeking asylum outside the country and is holed up in a foreign embassy.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:03:28pm

re: #100 jaunte

The other thing is, it seems there’s a SCOTUS opinion dating to the 1970s that says the Judiciary doesn’t have the authority to review the validity of the ‘legislative purpose’ for a Congressional subpoena.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:03:58pm

re: #111 lawhawk

Rumors that the coup is falling apart and the perpetrators are fleeing to foreign embassies:

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Yeah, that’s what it’s looking like. This coup lasted less then 12 hours.

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lawhawk  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:04:10pm

re: #110 KGxvi

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:05:30pm

re: #115 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, that’s what it’s looking like. This coup lasted last then 12 hours.

2nd time a right wing coup failed in Venezuela.

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jaunte  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:05:52pm

re: #114 Blind Frog Belly White

They make a good point: a valid inquiry doesn’t have to have a guaranteed result to be valid.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:06:37pm

re: #116 lawhawk

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:08:23pm

re: #117 Joe Bacon 🌹

2nd time a right wing coup failed in Venezuela.

I guess the military didn’t greet them as liberators.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:08:54pm

Allrighty, then. Have a good one, Lizards.

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Swampwitch  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:09:03pm

Just curious why y’all are putting GoT theories behind the fold? Are theories at this late stage now counting as spoilers?

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KGxvi  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:10:47pm

re: #119 Blind Frog Belly White

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Click to Reveal

At least in the books, the Golden Company is a bit different than most sellswords. Like I said, they were founded by Targaryen bastards and are typically made up of Westerosi exiles and descendants with a dream of “going home”. They’ve also never broken a contract, and since they’ve made a very big deal of that in the books, of course they’ll break the contract… of course, in the books, there’s a plot line that’s not on TV, so…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:14:00pm

re: #122 Swampwitch

Just curious why y’all are putting GoT theories behind the fold? Are theories at this late stage now counting as spoilers?

I’m just doing it because everyone else did.

Is there ANYONE here who cares about GoT who DIDN’T watch on Sunday?

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KGxvi  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:15:32pm

re: #122 Swampwitch

Just curious why y’all are putting GoT theories behind the fold? Are theories at this late stage now counting as spoilers?

I did it only because I’ve read all the books (a few times), so I think I’ve got a bit more info than most viewers. And I didn’t want to ruin it for anyone that didn’t want it ruined.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:17:43pm

re: #110 KGxvi

Unlike the Golden Company, I’m guessing he’d break that contract if Maduro offered more money…

GoT spoiler/theory below the fold:

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:21:55pm

re: #116 lawhawk

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jaunte  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:22:02pm
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Decatur Deb  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:22:15pm

re: #113 Dr Lizardo

Just saw this on the Intertubes.

Leopoldo Lopez, the fellow that was in the video with Guiado earlier today, and a prominent opposition leader in Venezuela, is formally seeking asylum from Chile and is now in the Chilean Embassy in Caracas, along with his family - this is according to Chile’s Foreign Minister.

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Looks like this coup seems to be winding down, especially if one of the coup leaders is now seeking asylum outside the country and is holed up in a foreign embassy.

Leaving Trump and his crack foreign policy team with their pants around their ankles. Again.

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KGxvi  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:22:57pm

re: #126 Hecuba’s daughter

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:23:32pm

re: #128 jaunte

BREAKING: At @realdonaldtrump’s golf course in Westchester, NY, undocumented workers say Trump Org. managers exploited them by making them work extra hours without pay.

Isn’t that the standard Trump crime family business model? To get work and refuse to pay?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:23:53pm

re: #129 Decatur Deb

Leaving Trump and his CRACKHEAD foreign policy team with their pants around their ankles. Again.

More accurate!

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jaunte  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:24:04pm
One former manager from the Westchester club, who said he thought the undocumented workers at the club were exploited, described an environment where — in managers’ meetings — it was clear that supervisors not only knew these workers lacked authentic documents but used that information to meet the company’s cost-cutting goals.

The former manager said that “The City” — the club’s word for bosses at Trump Tower in Manhattan — was constantly demanding a reduction in overtime costs.

The solution, going back a decade at least, the former manager said, was to pressure the undocumented workers.

“You want to be here? Don’t clock in for overtime,” the former manager said, paraphrasing the message to these workers. “Clock out, and work off the clock.”

Of course the Trump’s businesses are ALL based on cheating the powerless.

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danarchy  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:24:40pm

re: #117 Joe Bacon 🌹

2nd time a right wing coup failed in Venezuela.

Is it really a right wing coup? Guaido’s party is center left isn’t it, and Maduro is just an authoritarian kleptocrat, hope that isn’t what passes for left these days.

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KGxvi  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:25:17pm

re: #129 Decatur Deb

Leaving Trump and his crack foreign policy team with their pants around their ankles. Again.

54 nations recognized Guaido as president. This isn’t a good outcome for anyone… except maybe Putin.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:25:18pm
Click to Reveal

The Older Boy told me he knew Arya was going to kill the Night King halfway through the episode. He’s better at reading these things than I am. I got suckered in by the amount of attention they were giving Jon Snow Aegon Targaryen in his attempts to get to the Godswood to fight the Night King.

Given the history of killing characters, especially ones you’ve grown to love, it seemed like Winterfell might fall and only a few escape, and that perhaps that was why Arya was doing - “Not today.”, but another day? As in “He who fights and runs away, lives to fight another day”

Plus, honestly, I was expecting more out of the Army of the Dead. Although as others have pointed out, a zombie army with a neverending source of soldiers and a seemingly invincible leader with no real plan but killing everyone is not really a compelling narrative.

Still, I’m curious as all hell how they’re going to fill 3 more episodes after that.

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DangerMan  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:27:09pm

re: #103 Charles Johnson

@RepStickland
Shame on @TexasTribune and @eramshaw for their sham of “a conversation on vaccines.” They refused to invite opposition and instead made their big pharma donors happy. #fakenews #txlege

there is no ‘conversation’
there is no ‘opposition’

there is science
there are crackpots

you are a crackpot

we do not legitimize crackpots
crackpots are not ‘entitled’ to a seat at the table

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:27:22pm

re: #128 jaunte

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Oh, what a surprise that the guy who stiffs his customers, contractors, creditors, and shareholders also exploits his employees. Who’d have thought?

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Decatur Deb  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:27:45pm

re: #135 KGxvi

54 nations recognized Guaido as president. This isn’t a good outcome for anyone… except maybe Putin.

Ideally, foreign nations don’t get a say in one’s elections, though we seem to honor that in the breach.

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jaunte  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:28:09pm

re: #138 Blind Frog Belly White

He needs to pay some price for decades of cheating people.

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DangerMan  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:28:18pm

re: #106 KGxvi

Kalani Brown (the tallest woman, behind Trump) might be my favorite person in the world right now. Besides that dismissive look in the photo, she apparently posted a video trolling Trump for serving fast food saying “oooookay, donnie, oooookay”

did i read she posted a selfie that said ‘obama white house’?

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Belafon  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:29:42pm

re: #136 Blind Frog Belly White

Click to Reveal

My limited knowledge of GoT has still shown to me that Arya is Martin’s favorite character.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:29:59pm

re: #137 DangerMan

there is no ‘conversation’
there is no ‘opposition’

there is science
there are crackpots

you are a crackpot

we do not legitimize crackpots
crackpots are not ‘entitled’ to a seat at the table

It’s like the ‘debate’ over Evolution, or HIV causing AIDS, or Climate Change - there’s not a debate anymore, because the data are overwhelming.

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DangerMan  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:30:16pm

re: #114 Blind Frog Belly White

The other thing is, it seems there’s a SCOTUS opinion dating to the 1970s that says the Judiciary doesn’t have the authority to review the validity of the ‘legislative purpose’ for a Congressional subpoena.

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only the best lawyers//

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jaunte  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:30:57pm
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Belafon  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:31:10pm

re: #143 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s like the ‘debate’ over Evolution, or HIV causing AIDS, or Climate Change - there’s not a debate anymore, because the data are overwhelming.

So are the water.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:31:27pm

re: #130 KGxvi

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:32:05pm

re: #144 DangerMan

only the best lawyers//

The goal is delay, not victory, but think of the terrible precedent victory would set - POTUS can’t be indicted, nor can he be investigated.

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DangerMan  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:32:28pm

re: #118 jaunte

They make a good point: a valid inquiry doesn’t have to have a guaranteed result to be valid.

no one (in this country) has any right not to be investigated or accused

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:33:06pm
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jaunte  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:33:31pm

re: #149 DangerMan

“You have to tell me what you’ll find out before you investigate, then I’ll tell you if you can.”

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DangerMan  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:34:32pm

re: #128 jaunte

BREAKING: At @realdonaldtrump’s golf course in Westchester, NY, undocumented workers say Trump Org. managers exploited them by making them work extra hours without pay.

they’re undocumented. they have no right to pay //

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danarchy  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:34:38pm

re: #147 Hecuba’s daughter

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KGxvi  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:35:34pm

re: #153 danarchy

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Jay C  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:36:11pm

re: #134 danarchy

Is it really a right wing coup? Guaido’s party is center left isn’t it, and Maduro is just an authoritarian kleptocrat, hope that isn’t what passes for left these days.

Maybe, maybe not, but I’m sure “right-wing coup attempt” is what Maduro and his regime will be spinning it as. And while “authoritarian kleptocrat” is a good a description as any, the whole “Chavismo” thing (still important in Venezuela) is wrapped in an aura of nationalistic “socialism”, and thus pretty much “left” by definition.
It’s sad: Venezuela deserves better.

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KGxvi  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:36:52pm

re: #142 Belafon

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I’ve read that Martin said Tyrion was his favorite character. But in the early outlines, Arya was supposed to be really important.

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lawhawk  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:37:16pm

re: #127 Hecuba’s daughter

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:37:54pm

re: #153 danarchy

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DangerMan  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:39:11pm

re: #143 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s like the ‘debate’ over Evolution, or HIV causing AIDS, or Climate Change - there’s not a debate anymore, because the data are overwhelming.

double blind, reputably peer reviewed, independently repeatable, showing all your work, gets you consideration

or else stfu

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:39:18pm

re: #153 danarchy

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:39:37pm

re: #154 KGxvi

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:41:13pm

re: #159 DangerMan

double blind, reputably peer reviewed, independently repeatable, showing all your work, gets you consideration

or else stfu

Double blind is only necessary when you’re doing drug studies to avoid placebo effects. Otherwise, we just try to develop fiendishly clever ways of proving ourselves wrong and hope that we fail.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:43:33pm

re: #162 Swampwitch

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:45:10pm

re: #109 jaunte

Bad Idea Man

Filibuster (military)

A filibuster or freebooter, in the context of foreign policy, is someone who engages in an (at least nominally) unauthorized military expedition into a foreign country or territory to foment or support a revolution. The term is usually used to describe United States citizens who fomented insurrections in Latin America, particularly in the mid-19th century (Texas, California, Cuba, Nicaragua, Colombia). Filibuster expeditions have also occasionally been used as cover for government-approved deniable operations.

Filibusters are irregular soldiers who (normally) act without official authority from their own government, and are generally motivated by financial gain, political ideology, or the thrill of adventure. The freewheeling actions of the filibusters of the 1850s led to the name being applied figuratively to the political act of filibustering in the United States Congress.

William Walker
This infamous character, a journalist by profession, mounted several filibustering expeditions into Latin America in the 1850s in an effort to create new slave states. He actually conquered Nicaragua at one point and ruled it for nearly a year. He came to a bad end in Honduras in 1860.
See also Knights of the Golden Circle This was a pre-Civil War secret society whose ultimate goal was to conquer all the lands around the Caribbean and turn them into new slave states. Thomas Lubbock, for whom the city of Lubbock is named, was a “most zealous and ardent” supporter.

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DangerMan  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:45:12pm

re: #163 Blind Frog Belly White

Double blind is only necessary when you’re doing drug studies to avoid placebo effects. Otherwise, we just try to develop fiendishly clever ways of proving ourselves wrong and hope that we fail.

yes i know
i was going for the spaghetti approach

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KGxvi  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:46:48pm

re: #164 Blind Frog Belly White

Nah, he’s still (allegedly) working on the Winds of Winter. But there’s so many plot lines that were cut for the show, they’re really two different stories about the same characters at this point. Sort of like the 14 different Spider-man movies over the years.

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DangerMan  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:47:56pm

this is how you do it

“Kentucky’s 2019 teacher of the year skipped a formal ceremony at the White House on Monday — a snub Jessica Dueñas said was in protest of the Trump administration’s embrace of school-choice policies,” the Louisville Courier-Journal reports.

Said Dueñas: “I feel like the current administration is clearly attacking public education. Why come to D.C. and smile and get an award and not stand up for my students?”

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jaunte  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:48:52pm

re: #165 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Has anyone proposed changing the name of Lubbock, or are the citizens there just fans of the sheer beauty of its sound?

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:48:56pm

re: #162 Swampwitch

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DangerMan  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:49:32pm

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mmmirele  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:55:05pm

re: #167 KGxvi

Nah, he’s still (allegedly) working on the Winds of Winter. But there’s so many plot lines that were cut for the show, they’re really two different stories about the same characters at this point. Sort of like the 14 different Spider-man movies over the years.

Don’t give GRRM ideas! He might go with “Into the GoTverse”!

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:58:16pm

Not putting this in a private comment but an open prediction: The Winds of Winter will sell over 2 million copies if it’s published this year.

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KGxvi  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:59:10pm

re: #173 Hecuba’s daughter

Not putting this in a private comment but an open prediction: The Winds of Winter will sell over 2 million copies if it’s published this year.

I’ll definitely take the over, even if it’s published in 2020

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jaunte  Apr 30, 2019 • 1:59:57pm

One thing that bugged me about GRRM’s worldbuilding; he didn’t really do much to explain a thousand years of relative social stasis.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:05:04pm

re: #175 jaunte

One thing that bugged me about GRRM’s worldbuilding; he didn’t really do much to explain a thousand years of relative social stasis.

Thousands of years.. But maybe that happens in a world where magic is real. How can people believe in scientific underpinnings, in a world governed by magic?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:05:55pm

So, that Chase Bank tweet this morning, and the responses to it, remind me why I really hate smarmy older adults.

If you missed it - since it’s been removed by Chase - it basically is an imaginary conversation between a person and their bank balance where the whole reason why a person has no money is presented as being their profligate lifestyle.

This has led to a flurry of dumbassery on the part of well-off older generation folks nodding sagely and saying the bank is right and it’s all the fault of Millennials that they don’t have any savings. And a lot of rehashing of who to blame in the 2008 financial crisis. And a lot of really stupid economics from those same smug Olds.

Sure, yeah, it’s smart for people to save money. But really, that only works for an economy if most people don’t. Ask Japan during their lost decade when their economy stagnated because everyone was saving money. You can’t grow an economy on thrift. You grow it with spending. This is so blindingly simple and obvious that I’m still amazed more people don’t see it - there are no manufacturing jobs for goods people won’t buy. There are no sales jobs selling those goods that people won’t buy. There are no corporate profits to hire people to make or sell goods that people won’t buy.

I’ve told this story before - I knew a guy on another forum who said, “If only Americans would save their money, learn how to fix things, or do without, to be frugal and not spend, America would have an economic boom like the world has never seen!”

And he was 100% serious! And of course, couldn’t explain how you get a boom with nobody buying anything.

/rant

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KGxvi  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:06:06pm

re: #175 jaunte

One thing that bugged me about GRRM’s worldbuilding; he didn’t really do much to explain a thousand years of relative social stasis.

Lack of a printing press. How much did our world change from the fall of Rome (Valyria) until the invention of the printing press? That was about a thousand years.

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jaunte  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:07:32pm

re: #176 Hecuba’s daughter

Sure, that’s very fantasy-possible, but reading the books I kept waiting for the reveal: why was there such limited invention, curiosity, upheaval in that society until the events in the books.

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jaunte  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:09:57pm

There’s an interesting dystopic novel called Pavane, in which the Church makes a deliberate effort to slow down technology. Land transport is mainly by slow steam-carriage.

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KGxvi  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:10:23pm

re: #179 jaunte

Sure, that’s very fantasy-possible, but reading the books I kept waiting for the reveal: why was there such limited invention, curiosity, upheaval in that society until the events in the books.

Power concentrations, particularly in the Citidel probably has something to do with it. There’s a noblewoman in the books that says don’t trust the maesters… some people think they were responsible for the death of the dragons; some smaller lords can’t read, giving more power to the maesters.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:10:30pm

re: #178 KGxvi

Lack of a printing press. How much did our world change from the fall of Rome (Valyria) until the invention of the printing press? That was about a thousand years.

guns were invented and introduced into europe during that time

i date the technological culture of westeros to the period in europe just before the introduction of guns

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:10:50pm

one thought I had about Venezuela:
Putin has had military on the ground there for quite a while now. I figure any coup was destined to fail almost immediately since he supports Maduro and already told trump to keep out of it.

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DangerMan  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:14:37pm

re: #176 Hecuba’s daughter

Thousands of years.. But maybe that happens in a world where magic is real. How can people believe in scientific underpinnings, in a world governed by magic?

i have often suggested that magic is science

The concept of “magic” is the selfishly, humanly, egocentric perspective of asserting that mankind already knows everything.

That something which apparently cannot be explained by our collective knowledge must therefore be a violation of what we know to be natural law, rather than the simple recognition that there are workings we have yet to uncover and understand.

magic is more an insult to our ego - to what we think we know - rather than a *manipulation* of physical laws that only some people are capable of

It is our inability to admit we just don’t know how the trick is done.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:14:54pm

re: #176 Hecuba’s daughter

Thousands of years.. But maybe that happens in a world where magic is real. How can people believe in scientific underpinnings, in a world governed by magic?

It seems to me that the social stagnation may be due to the periodic years-long Winters, and it begins to break down when you get an extra long Summer. When you have to spend all your time building up stores to live through a couple years of Winter, you’re far less likely to do anything that might lead to your family starving. After a couple decades of Summer (as is implied in the books), people become more willing to risk war.

It reminds me of the Dragonriders of Pern books, where the failure of Thread to fall during one of the Passes leads to wars, conquest, and threatening to chuck the dragonriders our of their comfy Weyrs.

Looked at another way, periodic catastrophic threat to the whole civilization keeps the whole thing feudal and preindustrial.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:15:40pm

uh huh…

take a seat, moron

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:16:38pm
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DangerMan  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:17:08pm

re: #177 Blind Frog Belly White

So, that Chase Bank tweet this morning, and the responses to it, remind me why I really hate smarmy older adults.

If you missed it - since it’s been removed by Chase - it basically is an imaginary conversation between a person and their bank balance where the whole reason why a person has no money is presented as being their profligate lifestyle.

This has led to a flurry of dumbassery on the part of well-off older generation folks nodding sagely and saying the bank is right and it’s all the fault of Millennials that they don’t have any savings. And a lot of rehashing of who to blame in the 2008 financial crisis. And a lot of really stupid economics from those same smug Olds.

Sure, yeah, it’s smart for people to save money. But really, that only works for an economy if most people don’t. Ask Japan during their lost decade when their economy stagnated because everyone was saving money. You can’t grow an economy on thrift. You grow it with spending. This is so blindingly simple and obvious that I’m still amazed more people don’t see it - there are no manufacturing jobs for goods people won’t buy. There are no sales jobs selling those goods that people won’t buy. There are no corporate profits to hire people to make or sell goods that people won’t buy.

I’ve told this story before - I knew a guy on another forum who said, “If only Americans would save their money, learn how to fix things, or do without, to be frugal and not spend, America would have an economic boom like the world has never seen!”

And he was 100% serious! And of course, couldn’t explain how you get a boom with nobody buying anything.

/rant

you cant save money if you dont have enough to eat
or got whacked with a major health bill - with or w/o proper health ins
or family or other financial crisis

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:17:14pm

re: #169 jaunte

Has anyone proposed changing the name of Lubbock, or are the citizens there just fans of the sheer beauty of its sound?

The only public comment so far has been some pre-emptive ridicule from right-wing radio yokels but I suspect there may be a serious push in that direction before too long.

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Lubbock school-children are told that Tom was a Confederate general and Texas Ranger who died heroically fighting Yankee invaders in Virginia. In fact he was a bushwhacker and brevet colonel who died of typhoid fever before he saw much action. His original plan was to form an eastern counter-part of the notorious Quantrill’s Raiders.
The new name I propose is Monterrey. Incredibly, there is no Monterrey in Texas and this was the name of one of the two towns that combined to form Lubbock in 1892. The choice of the combined name, Lubbock or Monterrey, was reportedly based on the flip of a coin.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:17:25pm

good fucking grief, candace is stupid

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:18:51pm

re: #184 DangerMan

Arthur C. Clarke put it more succinctly:

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

But, I think you’d have to say that in GoT, there’s actual magic, as in the ability to circumvent physical laws, like bringing Beric Dondarrion and Jon Snow back from the dead.

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makeitstop  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:19:28pm

re: #190 Backwoods_Sleuth

good fucking grief, candace is stupid

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jaunte  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:19:41pm

re: #189 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I eagerly anticipate the general conservative freakout if the proposal moves forward!
Monterrey has a much more pleasant sound.

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KGxvi  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:20:22pm

re: #186 Backwoods_Sleuth

Well, that (along with recently threatening Mexico) is a great way to start a regional war.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:21:12pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:23:54pm

re: #191 Blind Frog Belly White

Arthur C. Clarke put it more succinctly:

But, I think you’d have to say that in GoT, there’s actual magic, as in the ability to circumvent physical laws, like bringing Beric Dondarrion and Jon Snow back from the dead.

And what about the Night King reanimating the long dead? And

— behind the thread for book spoiler

Click to Reveal

And Beric bringing back Catelyn Stark who was dead for several days?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:23:56pm

re: #188 DangerMan

you cant save money if you dont have enough to eat
or got whacked with a major health bill - with or w/o proper health ins
or family or other financial crisis

But, you know, it doesn’t even have to be that. It can just be rent, food, and utilities.

The other thing that smarmy Olds don’t get is that younger folks have no reason to expect that their lives will be better than their parents. They’re the first generation, perhaps in the history of the US, for whom that’s the case.

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DangerMan  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:23:58pm

re: #191 Blind Frog Belly White

Arthur C. Clarke put it more succinctly:

But, I think you’d have to say that in GoT, there’s actual magic, as in the ability to circumvent physical laws, like bringing Beric Dondarrion and Jon Snow back from the dead.

havent read (mrs dm did)
havent seen the shows

i understand what you’re saying and i stick by mine:

If an entity can “break” the natural laws at will, and in fact does repeatedly, what law is being “violated”? they’re simply using an obviously available mechanism over and over. We just don’t know what it is. ;-)

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:25:22pm

re: #191 Blind Frog Belly White

Arthur C. Clarke put it more succinctly:

But, I think you’d have to say that in GoT, there’s actual magic, as in the ability to circumvent physical laws, like bringing Beric Dondarrion and Jon Snow back from the dead.

i like this variation:

“any insufficiently understood technology is indistinguishable from magic”

or, explain to me exactly how your cell phone works

perhaps bringing people back to life is merely insufficiently understood technology

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DangerMan  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:25:57pm

re: #199 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i like this variation:

“any insufficiently understood technology is indistinguishable from magic”

or, explain to me exactly how your cell phone works

perhaps bringing people back to life is merely insufficiently understood technology

ding!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:26:17pm

re: #196 Hecuba’s daughter

And what about the Night King reanimating the long dead? And

— behind the thread for book spoiler

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Right. Dragons don’t have to be magical, but bringing the dead back, from a distance, without touching them, no matter what they died of? You’re left with magic.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:26:23pm

re: #190 Backwoods_Sleuth

good fucking grief, candace is stupid

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Candece is going to be pissed when she discovers Giuardo is a socialist too. She’s such a blatant hack.

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danarchy  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:28:16pm

re: #201 Blind Frog Belly White

Right. Dragons don’t have to be magical, but bringing the dead back, from a distance, without touching them, no matter what they died of? You’re left with magic.

self replicating nanites…

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:29:40pm

Disappointed but not surprised that this has happened. DON’T GO THERE, people. A few dead Nazis will not help anything and the right wing will get decades worth of martyr cookies out of it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:30:10pm

re: #198 DangerMan

havent read (mrs dm did)
havent seen the shows

i understand what you’re saying and i stick by mine:

If an entity can “break” the natural laws at will, and in fact does repeatedly, what law is being “violated”? they’re simply using an obviously available mechanism over and over. We just don’t know what it is. ;-)

Science fiction writers who dabble in fantasy often try to bring some sort of rational order to the magical, perhaps most notably Larry Niven with the concept of “Manna”, a force which powers “magic” but which can be locally depleted.

But in the end, you’re left with different natural laws, so whether you call it “magic” or a different universe with different laws, you’re still talking about something other than our reality.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:31:03pm

re: #203 danarchy

self replicating nanites midichlorians…

*wink*

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jaunte  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:31:53pm

re: #206 Blind Frog Belly White

The deus ex machina is coming from inside the house!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:34:07pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:34:28pm

re: #199 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

As an aside, though, this reminds me of stories about people from today being depositied in the Middle Ages and thinking they knew so much more than the locals - sure, you know about all these wonderful inventions. Do you know how to make them?

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:35:13pm

re: #110 KGxvi

Unlike the Golden Company, I’m guessing he’d break that contract if Maduro offered more money…

GoT spoiler/theory below the fold:

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True. He might decide that Maduro is more likely than Trump to actually pay his bills.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:35:42pm
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sagehen  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:36:03pm

re: #70 Belafon

“Oppose Free College”

This is where I get tired of American idiocy. It’s not free college, it’s pay it forward college. It shouldn’t have to be spelled out, but it has to.

My parents got free college; and it wasn’t just them, it was their whole generation. If you were one of the 15% smartest high school grads your year, the taxpayers would pick up the tab for your undergrad degree.

That’s how they ended up with the sorts of jobs that had them paying income tax at a 70% marginal rate for decades. Overall, I feel like the taxpayers got a pretty good return on their investment.

If you were in the 70-85% range for smarts, the taxpayers covered a 2-year AA degree. If your smarts were in the 45-70% range, unions and factories were happy to provide a year’s free vocational training.

CAVEAT: All of the above, only applies to white people. Once the civil rights acts said it had to be for everyone… taxpayers/voters had a sudden epiphany that everybody should take out loans and pay their own way, nobody should ever get anything provided to them by the federal government, the states, the counties, or unions or industry.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:37:22pm

re: #211 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Pardons won’t work there.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:37:35pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:37:46pm

re: #143 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s like the ‘debate’ over Evolution, or HIV causing AIDS, or Climate Change - there’s not a debate anymore, because the data are overwhelming.

climate deniers: there is no link between record levels of CO2 output and rising temperatures

anti-vaxxers: there is no link between record numbers of unvaccinated and recent measles epidemics

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:39:32pm
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sagehen  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:40:00pm

re: #78 Charles Johnson

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The cat did it. Del is absolutely certain, would be happy to testify.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:41:06pm

O_o

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:41:47pm

re: #212 sagehen

My parents got free college; and it wasn’t just them, it was their whole generation. If you were one of the 15% smartest high school grads your year, the taxpayers would pick up the tab for your undergrad degree.

That’s how they ended up with the sorts of jobs that had them paying income tax at a 70% marginal rate for decades. Overall, I feel like the taxpayers got a pretty good return on their investment.

If you were in the 70-85% range for smarts, the taxpayers covered a 2-year AA degree. If your smarts were in the 45-70% range, unions and factories were happy to provide a year’s free vocational training.

CAVEAT: All of the above, only applies to white people. Once the civil rights acts said it had to be for everyone… taxpayers/voters had a sudden epiphany that everybody should take out loans and pay their own way, nobody should ever get anything provided to them by the federal government, the states, the counties, or unions or industry.

make college cheap and widely available, have a well educated and prosperous population. allow college to be too expensive for most people, have a poorly educated, not very well off native born population, and lots of immigration from places where it’s cheap and easy to get educated

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sagehen  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:46:08pm

re: #124 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m just doing it because everyone else did.

Is there ANYONE here who cares about GoT who DIDN’T watch on Sunday?

YES!!!

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jaunte  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:46:09pm

“The bill says the water must be “treated,” but there are no standards or processes for treating the vast majority of the 1,600 chemicals found in fracking wastewater. Oil and gas companies don’t even have to disclose what all of these chemicals are.”

Republicans still trying to kill us all.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:46:29pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:46:58pm

re: #219 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

make college cheap and widely available, have a well educated and prosperous population. allow college to be too expensive for most people, have a poorly educated, not very well off native born population, and lots of immigration from places where it’s cheap and easy to get educated

Education is seen as a commodity to be sold to those who can afford it.

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Jay C  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:47:34pm

re: #177 Blind Frog Belly White

So, that Chase Bank tweet this morning, and the responses to it, remind me why I really hate smarmy older adults.

If you missed it - since it’s been removed by Chase - it basically is an imaginary conversation between a person and their bank balance where the whole reason why a person has no money is presented as being their profligate lifestyle.

This has led to a flurry of dumbassery on the part of well-off older generation folks nodding sagely and saying the bank is right and it’s all the fault of Millennials that they don’t have any savings. And a lot of rehashing of who to blame in the 2008 financial crisis. And a lot of really stupid economics from those same smug Olds.

Sure, yeah, it’s smart for people to save money. But really, that only works for an economy if most people don’t. Ask Japan during their lost decade when their economy stagnated because everyone was saving money. You can’t grow an economy on thrift. You grow it with spending. This is so blindingly simple and obvious that I’m still amazed more people don’t see it - there are no manufacturing jobs for goods people won’t buy. There are no sales jobs selling those goods that people won’t buy. There are no corporate profits to hire people to make or sell goods that people won’t buy.

I’ve told this story before - I knew a guy on another forum who said, “If only Americans would save their money, learn how to fix things, or do without, to be frugal and not spend, America would have an economic boom like the world has never seen!”

And he was 100% serious! And of course, couldn’t explain how you get a boom with nobody buying anything.

/rant

Not to mention the fact that those Olds (in which category yrs. truly probably falls now) were born, came of age, worked and (now) retired in an economy where a slow, often-irregular, but steady growth in both the micro- (personal) and macro-economic spheres was a given - allowing large numbers of people to be able to both spend AND save. And those conditions were pretty much consistent throughout the latter half of the 20th Century. But aren’t any more.

Thomas Piketty covered this pretty thoroughly in his Capital in the 21st Century (2013), unfortunately, his conclusions contained the obscene concept of a wealth tax, so was basically hooted down and ignored: in the US, anyway.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:48:23pm

re: #212 sagehen

My parents got free college; and it wasn’t just them, it was their whole generation. If you were one of the 15% smartest high school grads your year, the taxpayers would pick up the tab for your undergrad degree.

That’s how they ended up with the sorts of jobs that had them paying income tax at a 70% marginal rate for decades. Overall, I feel like the taxpayers got a pretty good return on their investment.

If you were in the 70-85% range for smarts, the taxpayers covered a 2-year AA degree. If your smarts were in the 45-70% range, unions and factories were happy to provide a year’s free vocational training.

CAVEAT: All of the above, only applies to white people. Once the civil rights acts said it had to be for everyone… taxpayers/voters had a sudden epiphany that everybody should take out loans and pay their own way, nobody should ever get anything provided to them by the federal government, the states, the counties, or unions or industry.

I’ve never gotten around to calculating the ratio of taxes I’ve paid to the cost of my GI Bill benefits but it was the kind of return rate that Wall Street grifters only dream of.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:48:50pm

re: #218 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

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Corbyn is awful. No ifs and butts about it.

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sagehen  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:50:44pm

re: #142 Belafon

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old joke —

Joss Whedon, JJ Abrams and George RR Martin walk into a bar… and everyone you ever loved dies.

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DangerMan  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:50:54pm

re: #223 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Education is seen as a commodity to be sold to those who can afford it.

and withheld to limit people’s options and future

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:51:55pm

re: #224 Jay C

The old “avocado toast” conundrum

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freetoken  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:52:17pm

re: #70 Belafon

re: #212 sagehen

I too oppose “free college”.

It’s just a bad phrase, a misleading phrase, and isn’t what is really needed.

If someone wants to die on the hill of enabling as many people to follow their dreams as possible, then that is probably a good hill on which to die.

But such idealistic goals are not “free”.

Instead I’d like to see a movement where the catch phrase and the underlying idea is about enabling people to reach their goals and dreams.

A question that needs to be asked is “why college”?

There is a lot of hidden baggage being carried by a simple phrase of “free college”.

I didn’t get “free” college, though my education was highly subsidized. But way back when I went to college a smaller fraction of the population did such a thing, and schools had less overhead (and frankly less grandiose aspirations.)

Unless we tackle the reasons why a college education price appears to have gone up faster than inflation the past 4 decades or so, we are not really addressing the underlying causes driving the costs (which I suspect goes back to my belief that institutions of higher learning have been caught up in the aspirational mindset not unlike the McMansion peddlers.)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:53:56pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:54:40pm

re: #230 freetoken

I too oppose “free college”.

It’s just a bad phrase, a misleading phrase, and isn’t what is really needed.

If someone wants to die on the hill of enabling as many people to follow their dreams as possible, then that is probably a good hill on which to die.

But such idealistic goals are not “free”.

affordable college is a concept. I recall a time when students (at least from state colleges) could work summer jobs and part-time during term and graduate either debt-free or with a small debt that could be paid off easily and did not immediately restrict their options in life

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sagehen  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:56:11pm

re: #184 DangerMan

i have often suggested that magic is science

The concept of “magic” is the selfishly, humanly, egocentric perspective of asserting that mankind already knows everything.

That something which apparently cannot be explained by our collective knowledge must therefore be a violation of what we know to be natural law, rather than the simple recognition that there are workings we have yet to uncover and understand.

Clarke’s Three Laws:

1. When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.

2. The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.

3. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

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jaunte  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:56:42pm

re: #230 freetoken

Unless we tackle the reasons why a college education price appears to have gone up faster than inflation the past 4 decades or so, we are not really addressing the underlying causes driving the costs

I think at least part of it is that student debtors are captured; can never escape as in ordinary debt, through bankruptcy. If the debtor absolutely has to pay, the price will inevitably rise.

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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:57:17pm

re: #177 Blind Frog Belly White

And he was 100% serious! And of course, couldn’t explain how you get a boom with nobody buying anything.

Not exactly the same point, but close-
Long ago, I worked with a young man who was either Amway-curious or already involved - I can’t remember which - who was a similar economic genius. He believed EVERYONE could make lots of money selling amway shit. I said no, somebodies gotta do all the other things, like grow food and make skis and cut hair etc. I thought reductio ad absurdum would show him what I meant, but when I said “You cannot have an economy where literally everybody is selling soap to each other.”
He, apparently sincerely, thought I was 100% wrong.

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DangerMan  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:57:35pm

how exactly does this happen?

florida by way of ABC news arizona

WESLEY CHAPEL, FL — A school resource officer’s gun accidentally discharged in the cafeteria at Weightman Middle School in Wesley Chapel on Tuesday afternoon, according to the Pasco County Sheriff’s Office.

Deputies say the SRO was in the cafeteria, leaning against the wall when his holstered, duty-issued firearm accidentally discharged into the wall behind him.

The gun fired directly into the wall and no students were in danger, according to the Sheriff’s Office. There were no injuries to any students, the staff or the School Resource Officer.

Supervisors have started investigating the incident and there will be a full administrative investigation into the matter.

as they have only started investigating no one has any idea whether it was ‘accidental’ or not

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freetoken  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:59:31pm

re: #232 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I did such a thing and graduated with a relatively small set of loans.

But as I noted, my education was highly subsidized. Grants, scholarships… and even the loans were below market price of loaning money.

On top of that, my (public) university was funded via tax money that covered a great share of the fundamentals (property, research etc.)

Again, my plea is this: don’t make education cheap. Cheap things are easily looked down upon and not valued.

re: #234 jaunte

I think at least part of it is that student debtors are captured; can never escape as in ordinary debt, through bankruptcy. If the debtor absolutely has to pay, the price will inevitably rise.

One of the tragedies of American society over the past 25 years of so is selling the idea to young people that they will amount to nothing in society if they don’t spend 4 years going into $50k-$150k of debt. This malady is as bad as the McMansion explosion.

We’ve made an entire generation of debtors based upon a false belief.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:59:34pm

re: #224 Jay C

Not to mention the fact that those Olds (in which category yrs. truly probably falls now) were born, came of age, worked and (now) retired in an economy where a slow, often-irregular, but steady growth in both the micro- (personal) and macro-economic spheres was a given - allowing large numbers of people to be able to both spend AND save. And those conditions were pretty much consistent throughout the latter half of the 20th Century. But aren’t any more.

Thomas Piketty covered this pretty thoroughly in his Capital in the 21st Century (2013), unfortunately, his conclusions contained the obscene concept of a wealth tax, so was basically hooted down and ignored: in the US, anyway.

Yeah, that’s the thing that burns my biscuits - the presumption that the conditions which prevailed when we were their age are still true. College is even more important to a higher living standard later in life, but it’s become ungodly expensive Someone this morning tweeted that when her Mom went to school, a state university cost little enough that the 100 hours/semester her Mom worked at a minimum wage job paid for it. Now, you’d have to work 1200 hours/semester - so, 80 hours a week.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 30, 2019 • 2:59:37pm

re: #124 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m just doing it because everyone else did.

Is there ANYONE here who cares about GoT who DIDN’T watch on Sunday?

Haven’t watched any yet. That doesn’t mean I don’t care.

re: #220 sagehen

YES!!!

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Decatur Deb  Apr 30, 2019 • 3:00:16pm

re: #236 DangerMan

how exactly does this happen?

florida by way of ABC news arizona

as they have only started investigating no one has any idea whether it was ‘accidental’ or not

Florida recently voted to allow teachers to carry guns. When that is implemented, such an accident could trigger a cafeteria fire fight, instead of a food fight.

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jaunte  Apr 30, 2019 • 3:01:14pm

re: #239 Colère Tueur de Lapin

I haven’t seen it yet either, but the biggest takeaway I’m getting from Twitter is to watch it in a dark room with no lights except the screen.

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freetoken  Apr 30, 2019 • 3:02:17pm

I watch a lot of Youtube (as I don’t subscribe to cable TV packages), and the last month or so Youtube has been flooding me with advertisements for 1) DeVry College, and 2) Hillsdale College (with the Huckster doing the jiving.)

I would not recommend either school to a person seeking a higher education, but both seem to think that advertising on Youtube is the thing to do.

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danarchy  Apr 30, 2019 • 3:04:05pm

re: #219 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

make college cheap and widely available, have a well educated and prosperous population. allow college to be too expensive for most people, have a poorly educated, not very well off native born population, and lots of immigration from places where it’s cheap and easy to get educated

I think short shrift is given to this part. I don’t know about other states but in MA all public employee salaries are publicly available. If you check the database for 2019 the top 50 salaries in the state all belong to UMass employees except for the states chief medical examiner. The Umass system is where retiring legislators go for 3 years to boost their state pension. There is no good reason for tuition and costs to be rising so much faster than inflation.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 30, 2019 • 3:05:06pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 30, 2019 • 3:06:34pm

re: #243 danarchy

I think short shrift is given to this part. I don’t know about other states but in MA all public employee salaries are publicly available. If you check the database for 2019 the top 50 salaries in the state all belong to UMass employees except for the states chief medical examiner. The Umass system is where retiring legislators go for 3 years to boost their state pension. There is no good reason for tuition and costs to be rising so much faster than inflation.

At the same time, colleges and universities are hiring ‘adjunct’ professors with low salaries, minimal benefits, and no tenure, so while there may be some highly paid people in the universities, there’s also a growing underclass.

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freetoken  Apr 30, 2019 • 3:07:16pm

re: #245 Blind Frog Belly White

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KGxvi  Apr 30, 2019 • 3:07:31pm

re: #244 Blind Frog Belly White

Trump: I want all these things.

China: No.

Trump: Well, what do you want?

China: Here’s our list.

Trump (not reading it): Done. Now, about what I want…

China (walks out of room): Our people will call your people (sotto) servants.

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jaunte  Apr 30, 2019 • 3:08:22pm

Yes.

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jaunte  Apr 30, 2019 • 3:09:09pm
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jaunte  Apr 30, 2019 • 3:15:24pm
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freetoken  Apr 30, 2019 • 3:16:59pm

Higher education has always been elitist.

Universities were founded by religious leaders to supply an educated upper class to function in theocracies.

Then these schools changed into more secular minded goals of providing functionaries for the elite who ruled.

In both cases the choice of who would get such elevated positions in society was based on both connections and merit.

While higher educations has become more accessible over the centuries, the essential nature of elitism has not really gone away.

This is a hard thing to accept in an age when equality is thought of as an important goal. Universities may have changed to be flag bearers of equality in regards to social class, recent acceptance scandal aside, but there remains as essential the idea that academic achievement is a winnowing process.

In other words, a college degree is not a participation trophy.

Or should it be?

We might argue that turning colleges into sports minor-league machines have made degrees into participation trophies, but I still think those are a minority of degrees. Many athletes are also acceptable students.

Elitism may sound bad, but it is part of, and maybe essential, to a society.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 30, 2019 • 3:17:05pm

re: #250 jaunte

Source tells me: 3 shot at UNCC. Shooter in custody

Why is something like this a near-daily occurrence in our country?

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plansbandc  Apr 30, 2019 • 3:17:26pm

re: #80 Patricia Kayden

Never.

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jaunte  Apr 30, 2019 • 3:19:12pm

re: #252 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Guns are sold in real life and entertainment media as problem-solving tools, when they are actually problem-creating tools.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 30, 2019 • 3:19:14pm

re: #251 freetoken

Higher education has always been elitist.

Universities were founded by religious leaders to supply an educated upper class to function in theocracies.

Elitism may sound bad, but it is part of, and maybe essential, to a society.

The social function and the need for “elites” is a separate matter.

The issue here is a trained workforce, and for 90% of the jobs (and 100% of those that pay beyond minimum wage), some form of continued education/apprenticeship/training/degree program is necessary.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 3:24:28pm

eric is also a moron

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 3:26:10pm

re: #249 jaunte

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darthstar  Apr 30, 2019 • 3:27:01pm
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De Kolta Chair  Apr 30, 2019 • 3:32:17pm

A happy belated 86th birthday to Willie Nelson!

Willie Nelson - Heaven Is Closed (Official Video)

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darthstar  Apr 30, 2019 • 3:32:53pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 3:33:22pm

Spoiler: the police officer is not white

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 3:34:36pm
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Cheechako  Apr 30, 2019 • 3:35:07pm

My future wife was in a State funded college to become a RN in the early 60’s. While in school she worked part time as a nurse’s aid at the local hospital for about 20 hours per week. She also took out a $500 student loan from the “National Student Defense Fund”. The NSDF was a program of the Defense Department to support students who were studying in fields in what were expected to have shortages in the future. Many of the loans were for students training in the medical or teaching fields.

These loans carried a 1% interest rate.

Once she graduated (and we were married) she quickly obtained an RN position at our local hospital. Being a very frugal person she wanted to pay off that loan as soon as possible. At that time, the banks were paying over 5% interest on savings accounts. I had her put the $500 plus interest into one of these accounts. After 3 years, when the loan was due, we paid it off. And we made a few extra bucks for ourselves.

My point is this, a low interest loan enabled her to complete her education and get a well paying job. The taxes we paid with her higher paid job more than covered the low cost of the government loan.

Today, my daughter in law is still paying off a student loan she took out over 15 years ago. I doubt she will ever pay off this loan until I die and they inherit my meager estate.

I’d like to see a tax program where yearly payments for student loans are directly applied as a credit to your Federal taxes. Right now, individuals with student debt are drowning and see no way out. To me, this is a small price to pay to improve the education levels in our country.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 30, 2019 • 3:43:19pm

re: #252 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Why is something like this a near-daily occurrence in our country?

Because God, Guns and Freedom, Libtard!

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Scout  Apr 30, 2019 • 3:43:30pm

re: #261 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Spoiler: the police officer is not white

Man, did you just say a mouthful.

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darthstar  Apr 30, 2019 • 3:44:51pm

BREAKING: Senator and pig castrator Joni Ernst just said she’s against Trump’s Fed pick, Chauvinist Moore.

Fuck…Trump’s even losing his die hard yes people.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 30, 2019 • 3:45:03pm

Like every other public policy in Italy, their approach to college funding was a bit complex. The short version ties a student’s university subsidy to his HS performance. A kid who graduated with all A basically got a free ride. A C student got something like a 50-50 split. Rich fools could go on Papa’s dime. The Italians considered it a national waste to keep a bright student from education.

(They also considered it a societal waste to push a kid with great furniture restoration skills into a Comparative Lit program.)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 30, 2019 • 3:48:41pm

re: #261 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Spoiler: the police officer is not white

Further spoiler: the victim was.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 30, 2019 • 3:53:13pm

re: #267 Decatur Deb

Like every other public policy in Italy, their approach to college funding was a bit complex. The short version ties a student’s uiversity subsidy to his HS performance. A kid who graduated with all A basically got a free ride. A C student got something like a 50-50 split. Rich fools could go on Papa’s dime. The Italians considered it a national waste to keep a bright student from education.

(They also considered it a societal waste to push a kid with great furniture restoration skills into a Comparative Lit program.)

I get frustrated with two things regarding the way college is viewed in society today:

First, the idea that everyone has to go to college. There are trades that pay good money and which will probably never be automated or offshored.

Second, the idea that there are enough of those jobs to make up for the loss of the high-wage factory jobs. It may be that those jobs were a historical fluke and their loss inevitable.

Okay, three things:

Third, the increasing belief that if you don’t get into one of a handful of elite colleges or universities, you might just as well dig ditches the rest of your life.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 3:54:05pm
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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 30, 2019 • 3:57:36pm
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plansbandc  Apr 30, 2019 • 4:05:21pm

Hummingbird nest in hummingbird.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 30, 2019 • 4:07:38pm

bolton getting the bay of pigs award here

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KGxvi  Apr 30, 2019 • 4:10:03pm

re: #271 Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO

Yeah, that’s the sort of thing that isn’t going to end well for the attorneys with their names on the complaint.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 30, 2019 • 4:11:22pm

SHIT, AGAIN

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darthstar  Apr 30, 2019 • 4:15:25pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 30, 2019 • 4:15:35pm

Follow @AoDespair for the insightful political commentary. Stay for the creative swears.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2019 • 4:17:48pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 30, 2019 • 4:17:53pm

re: #276 darthstar

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What have the Romans ever done for us?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 30, 2019 • 4:19:20pm

re: #275 The Vicious Babushka

SHIT, AGAIN

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More blood for the blood God.

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darthstar  Apr 30, 2019 • 4:22:13pm

re: #279 Blind Frog Belly White

What have the Romans ever done for us?

Besides internal plumbing?

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darthstar  Apr 30, 2019 • 4:23:22pm

Nice thing about this breaking Mueller/Barr news, it took Tweety off his pointless Biden ‘analysis’…

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 30, 2019 • 4:23:36pm

re: #278 Charles Johnson

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Widely known now, but this adds the fuel needed before he goes before congress.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 30, 2019 • 4:24:05pm

re: #278 Charles Johnson

And this is why I am dying to hear Mueller testify before Congress. There will be fireworks.

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gocart mozart  Apr 30, 2019 • 4:25:27pm
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gocart mozart  Apr 30, 2019 • 4:26:30pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 30, 2019 • 4:28:13pm

re: #285 gocart mozart

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From Daddy.

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darthstar  Apr 30, 2019 • 4:28:21pm

Wow…Mueller’s pissed.

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ipsos  Apr 30, 2019 • 4:29:37pm

IMPEACH THE MOTHERFUCKER.

(Barr, I mean. But the other motherfucker, too.)

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 30, 2019 • 4:30:52pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 30, 2019 • 4:33:41pm

re: #290 Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO

JFC he wants an actual, literal war with Mexico. Canada too, except he thinks they’re pussies.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 4:38:55pm
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darthstar  Apr 30, 2019 • 4:39:34pm

Infrastructure Week - it never disappoints.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 4:41:18pm
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plansbandc  Apr 30, 2019 • 4:41:30pm

A rotting garbage heap of an administration.

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Ace Rothstein  Apr 30, 2019 • 4:41:47pm

re: #295 plansbandc

You’re being way too kind.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 4:43:01pm

wonder if they’re getting cold fast food, too

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 4:43:43pm
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Ace Rothstein  Apr 30, 2019 • 4:45:25pm

re: #297 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just chewing tobacco, fried squirrel, and moonshine.

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Dr. Matt  Apr 30, 2019 • 4:47:16pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 4:47:55pm

*snerk*

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Ace Rothstein  Apr 30, 2019 • 4:47:56pm

Mueller is really fucking pissed.

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jaunte  Apr 30, 2019 • 4:49:49pm
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Barefoot Grin  Apr 30, 2019 • 4:50:14pm

re: #302 Ace Rothstein

Mueller is really fucking pissed.

Barr fucked up.

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Dr. Matt  Apr 30, 2019 • 4:50:26pm
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Patricia Kayden  Apr 30, 2019 • 4:53:22pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 4:54:41pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 30, 2019 • 4:55:05pm

re: #305 Dr. Matt

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Barr could have stayed above the fray, not become AG (again), and gone on to be an undeservedly well-regarded footnote in history. But he decided to work for Trump.

Everything Trump Touches, Dies.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 4:57:04pm
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Dr. Matt  Apr 30, 2019 • 4:58:21pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 30, 2019 • 4:58:43pm

This was already gonna be a tough room for Barr…

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Eventual Carrion  Apr 30, 2019 • 4:59:00pm

re: #291 The Vicious Babushka

JFC he wants an actual, literal war with Mexico. Canada too, except he thinks they’re pussies.

Canadians went to Vietnam Donny.

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gocart mozart  Apr 30, 2019 • 4:59:40pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:01:40pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:02:54pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:02:57pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:04:04pm
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Dave In Austin  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:05:14pm

I’ve been pretty much out of the loop today. Purposely. Dry walled the shop an listened to day loud loud music……

I just came in and kicked in the news.

WTF Morris???

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Belafon  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:06:26pm

re: #237 freetoken

I did such a thing and graduated with a relatively small set of loans.

But as I noted, my education was highly subsidized. Grants, scholarships… and even the loans were below market price of loaning money.

On top of that, my (public) university was funded via tax money that covered a great share of the fundamentals (property, research etc.)

Again, my plea is this: don’t make education cheap. Cheap things are easily looked down upon and not valued.

One of the tragedies of American society over the past 25 years of so is selling the idea to young people that they will amount to nothing in society if they don’t spend 4 years going into $50k-$150k of debt. This malady is as bad as the McMansion explosion.

We’ve made an entire generation of debtors based upon a false belief.

And my company that pays $65k to start out of college won’t hire you without a degree.

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Belafon  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:11:33pm

re: #310 Dr. Matt

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That was my first thought when I saw Joe calling for Barr’s impeachment.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:12:31pm
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Ace Rothstein  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:13:47pm

re: #311 Blind Frog Belly White

He ain’t showing up.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:19:05pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:19:54pm

Barr needs to be impeached and disbarred.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:20:40pm

re: #307 Backwoods_Sleuth

The comments are hilarious. Cute doggy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:23:27pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:24:24pm

re: #326 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’m sure Cory Gardner said fiddlesticks too.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:26:02pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:27:09pm
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Patricia Kayden  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:27:12pm

re: #323 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hmmmm. Massacre fatigue. Gun violence has become so common that mass shootings are no longer news.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:27:59pm

re: #328 The Vicious Babushka

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That looks more like where a Trump campaign donation goes to me.

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teleskiguy  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:28:05pm

re: #52 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I rolled my ankle last year on my birthday. Shit sucks.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:29:38pm

re: #331 HappyWarrior

That looks more like where a Trump campaign donation goes to me.

That would be a circle of all one solid color that says “Into Trump’s pocket & no you can’t see his tax returns”

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:29:49pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:30:53pm

Cartier boss with $7.5bn fortune says prospect of the poor rising up ‘keeps him awake at night’

The multi-billionaire owner of luxury jewellery company Cartier has revealed his greatest fear - robots replacing workers and the poor rising up to bring down the rich.

Speaking at the Financial Times Business of Luxury Summit in Monaco (obviously), the fashion tycoon told his fellow elite that he can’t sleep at the thought of the social upheaval he thinks is imminent.

According to Bloomberg, Johann Rupert told the conference to bear in mind that when the poor rise up, the middle classes won’t want to buy luxury goods for fear of exposing their wealth.

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teleskiguy  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:31:32pm

re: #93 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Dems need to go with M/F or F/M as I cannot imagine Trump picking a female VP candidate to replace Mike Pence…

Ivanka.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:32:19pm

NY Times y’all

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:35:12pm

lets go to the video, shall we?

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gocart mozart  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:35:29pm
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Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:37:21pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:39:08pm

Mre: #340 Charles Johnson

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Yeah who would have thought blatant mischaracterization of the facts would have been Mueller’s pet peeve?

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Targetpractice  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:39:18pm

re: #340 Charles Johnson

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Translation: They expected him to stay quiet and be a good little boy, which is why they were shocked when he told Barr where to stick his letter.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:39:21pm

re: #340 Charles Johnson

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pearls were clutched…

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HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:40:43pm

Barr is a disgrace. How fucked is this administration that Sessions was the more ethical ones?*
*Not an endorsement of Sessions

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Targetpractice  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:40:45pm

DOJ: “Trump has totally been cleared by Bob Mueller and his Report shows that!”

Mueller: “THAT’S NOT WHAT I FUCKING SAID!”

DOJ: “Such language is uncalled for and totally uncouth, sir!”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:41:52pm
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Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:42:52pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:43:18pm

re: #347 Charles Johnson

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Stupid Watergate continues.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:44:18pm

re: #71 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Halima Aden’s parents are Somali refugees, and she herself was born in the Kakuma refugee camp in Kenya. The family came to Minnesota when she was six.

en.wikipedia.org

Kakuma had its own TEDx event in 2018, and Aden was one of the speakers.

A PLACE OF HOPE: FROM REFUGEE CAMP TO INTERNATIONAL FASHION MODEL | Halima Aden | TEDxKakumaCamp

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Targetpractice  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:45:06pm
“It came as a surprise to them that he had such concerns.”

That truly is a shock, considering that we were told at the time that he was being consulted on the redactions. And Barr indicated at his presser prior to the Report’s release that the two had been in communication. One might almost conclude that one or more persons at the DOJ were lying their asses off…

//

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jaunte  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:46:24pm

Coverups is all they know how to do.

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SteelPH  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:47:09pm

re: #351 jaunte

Coverups is all they know how to do.

And not very well, at that.

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jaunte  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:47:42pm

re: #352 SteelPH

Their only move when exposed is to double down.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:48:28pm

President Trump on Tuesday trashed his own White House infrastructure plan released last year, blaming his former top economic adviser Gary Cohn for drafting a proposal that was “so stupid.”

Trump, meeting with Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.), made clear that he was never supportive of the proposal calling for public-private partnerships because “you get sued,” according to a senior Democratic source who attended the private meeting in the White House’s Cabinet Room.

“That was a Gary [Cohn] bill. That bill was so stupid,” Trump told the Democratic leaders, according to the source.

A second person present at Tuesday’s White House meeting confirmed Trump’s remarks criticizing his administration’s plan. Unveiled in February 2018, the proposal calls for $200 billion in federal spending that would be used to leverage at least an additional $800 billion in private investment over the next decade.

Infrastructure Week seems to be going well…

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Targetpractice  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:48:45pm

re: #353 jaunte

Their only move when exposed is to double down.

Ayep. Which is why I expect Barr, when asked about the Mueller letter tomorrow, to either A) deny knowledge of it or B) insist that he’d addressed Mueller’s “concerns” before the Report’s release.

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jaunte  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:48:57pm

LIke a hognose snake when it’s playing dead. You can roll it over upright, but it will roll back over and insist it’s dead.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:49:42pm

re: #350 Targetpractice

That truly is a shock, considering that we were told at the time that he was being consulted on the redactions. And Barr indicated at his presser prior to the Report’s release that the two had been in communication. One might almost conclude that one or more persons at the DOJ were lying their asses off…

//

They had been in communication… Mueller had written Barr that he was misrepresenting the report.

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jaunte  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:50:31pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:50:38pm

re: #347 Charles Johnson

Where fiction becomes fact, all is lost.

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Targetpractice  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:51:55pm

The only real conclusion we can draw at this point is Barr’s testimony tomorrow is a joke, that he’s just going to go on lying his ass off because he figures he’s teflon-coated so long as a Republican is in the White House. That even if Donny goes down, Pence will pardon him from any possible perjury charges.

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jaunte  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:52:17pm
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Patricia Kayden  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:57:01pm

re: #349 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

What an inspirational speech. She’s so engaging.

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Belafon  Apr 30, 2019 • 5:57:10pm

re: #340 Charles Johnson

How dare Mueller put country first?! //

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Apr 30, 2019 • 6:10:42pm

re: #362 Patricia Kayden

What an inspirational speech. She’s so engaging.

She calls Kakuma her hometown, and has returned their several times to help and encourage the residents. I really admire her.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 30, 2019 • 6:53:04pm

re: #291 The Vicious Babushka

JFC he wants an actual, literal war with Mexico. Canada too, except he thinks they’re pussies.

Somebody never read about the War of 1812…


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