Oscar-Winning Short Film (Full): “Hair Love”

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Hair Love, an Oscar-nominated animated short film from Matthew A. Cherry, tells the heartfelt story of an African American father learning to do his daughter’s hair for the first time.

Directors:
Matthew A. Cherry (Executive Producer, “BlacKkKlansman”)
Everett Downing Jr. (Animator, “Up”)
Bruce W. Smith (Creator, “The Proud Family,” Animator, “The Princess and the Frog”)

Producers:
Karen Rupert Toliver
Stacey Newton
Monica A. Young
Matthew A. Cherry
David Steward II
Carl Reed

Executive Producers:
Peter Ramsey (“Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse”)
Frank Abney (Animator, “Toy Story 4”)

Features:
Issa Rae (“Insecure”) as Zuri’s mother

Co-Executive Producers:
Jordan Peele
Andrew Hawkins
Harrison Barnes
Yara and Keri Shahidi

Associate Producers:
N’Dambi Gillespie
Gabrielle Union-Wade
Dwayne Wade Jr.
Gabourey Sidibe
Stephanie Fredric
Claude Kelly

Music Composers:
Paul Mounsey
Daniel D. Crawford

Additional Composer:
Taylor Graves

Production Partners:
Lion Forge Animation
Chasing Miles
Matthew A. Cherry Entertainment

The project is a collaboration with Sony Pictures Animation that was launched as a Kickstarter campaign in 2017 with a fundraising goal of $75,000. Strong support led to the campaign amassing nearly $300,000, making it the most highly-funded short film campaign in Kickstarter history.

Facebook - facebook.com/sonypicturesanimation
Twitter - twitter.com/sonyanimation
Instagram - instagram.com/sonyanimation

The picture book “Hair Love” was released by Kokila Books/Penguin Random House on May 14, 2019, and became a New York Times Bestseller.

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328 comments
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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 9, 2020 • 6:28:37pm

My only question seeing this film: why is the dad so confused about doing his daughter’s hair when his own hair is so elaborate?

I realize this is a question only a white person could ask.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 9, 2020 • 6:29:23pm

Also correction: It’s an “OSCAR-WINNING” short film.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 9, 2020 • 6:30:08pm

re: #2 The Pie Overlord!

Also correction: It’s an “OSCAR-WINNING” short film.

Corrected!

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Belafon  Feb 9, 2020 • 6:33:14pm

re: #223 DodgerFan1988

I bet this guy really freaked out when Eminem started his number. It took my wife a few seconds to recognize him: “When did he get a beard?”

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 9, 2020 • 6:36:26pm

re: #4 Belafon

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I bet this guy really freaked out when Eminem started his number. It took my wife a few seconds to recognize him: “When did he get a beard?”

Yeah, it’s not like they helped us in the Korean War or anything (Vietnam, too, for that matter). /

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unproven innocence  Feb 9, 2020 • 6:36:35pm

Nice video. Been there.

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A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!  Feb 9, 2020 • 6:43:32pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Corrected!

Quibble, quibble…

Text should be corrected, too.

/quibble

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 9, 2020 • 6:58:28pm

re: #4 Belafon

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I bet this guy really freaked out when Eminem started his number. It took my wife a few seconds to recognize him: “When did he get a beard?”

Couch Potato (Parody of “Lose Yourself” by Eminem)

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sagehen  Feb 9, 2020 • 7:18:18pm

re: #1 The Pie Overlord!

My only question seeing this film: why is the dad so confused about doing his daughter’s hair when his own hair is so elaborate?

I realize this is a question only a white person could ask.

Because girl-hairstyles is different than boy-hairstyles.

Matthew Cherry was on the Daily Show a couple of weeks ago; he talked about how learning to do his daughter’s hair was partly about being a good loving dad, but also about being a good loving husband. If his wife has to work late, or go out of town a couple of days for her job, it matters that he can properly groom the child.

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gwangung  Feb 9, 2020 • 7:23:28pm

re: #9 sagehen

Because girl-hairstyles is different than boy-hairstyles.

Matthew Cherry was on the Daily Show a couple of weeks ago; he talked about how learning to do his daughter’s hair was partly about being a good loving dad, but also about being a good loving husband. If his wife has to work late, or go out of town a couple of days for her job, it matters that he can properly groom the child.

Also….how many times do people (not just men) style their own hair? (As opposed to maintaining them)

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 9, 2020 • 7:26:42pm
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Sherlock Hound  Feb 9, 2020 • 7:42:58pm

Happening now. Weather looks good for launch. If Cygnus had not been scrubbed today, there would have been two launches in six hours on the East Coast

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 9, 2020 • 7:46:42pm

I see that Brad Pitt won a Best Supporting Actor Oscar for Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.

Well-deserved. He was great in that film, one of the best performances he’s done.

Also seeing that Parasite is really cleaning up at the Oscars; I’m not surprised in the slightest.

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William Lewis  Feb 9, 2020 • 7:51:58pm

OT: I was just watching a White Stripes video and appreciating how good Meg White is as a drummer and got really really fucking pissed off that Karen Carpenter was never allowed to be the great drummer that she was. They should have fucking miked her kit not made her stand out front and feel embarrassed. Had she been allowed to sing from the kit, would she still be with us? I don’t know. But I’d bet it is more likely than not.

Back to what ever y’all are doing.

(Hey, Parasite? Grab that Best Picture one while you’re up there. Really piss off the fascist motherfuckers. )

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Belafon  Feb 9, 2020 • 7:56:09pm

re: #4 Belafon

Jon Miller is probably blowing a gasket now. The director just won best director.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 9, 2020 • 7:58:19pm

re: #12 Sherlock Hound

Happening now. Weather looks good for launch. If Cygnus had not been scrubbed today, there would have been two launches in six hours on the East Coast

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Go to launch

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Belafon  Feb 9, 2020 • 7:59:12pm

re: #14 William Lewis

OT: I was just watching a White Stripes video and appreciating how good Meg White is as a drummer and got really really fucking pissed off that Karen Carpenter was never allowed to be the great drummer that she was. They should have fucking miked her kit not made her stand out front and feel embarrassed. Had she been allowed to sing from the kit, would she still be with us? I don’t know. But I’d bet it is more likely than not.

Back to what ever y’all are doing.

(Hey, Parasite? Grab that Best Picture one while you’re up there. Really piss off the fascist motherfuckers. )

Reading the description of her in Wikipedia, I doubt it. Eating disorders are brutal. Seriously sad to read.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 9, 2020 • 8:00:02pm

Count down has recommenced

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William Lewis  Feb 9, 2020 • 8:02:06pm

re: #17 Belafon

Reading the description of her in Wikipedia, I doubt it. Eating disorders are brutal. Seriously sad to read.

Point taken, but can I wish?

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Belafon  Feb 9, 2020 • 8:03:21pm

re: #19 William Lewis

Point taken, but can I wish?

You can wish, but a bet is not a wish.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 9, 2020 • 8:03:32pm
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William Lewis  Feb 9, 2020 • 8:03:44pm

I’m in a good mood tonight, I’m really not sure why. So I’ll post this by one of my heroes…

David Bowie - Heroes

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 9, 2020 • 8:05:47pm

Vroom, no boom

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 9, 2020 • 8:07:04pm

re: #21 The Pie Overlord!

I expect Trump will fire off some nasty comment on Twitter, because Obama is twice the man Trump can ever hope to be and has achieved far more than Trump ever will.

And that gets under his (flabby) skin - and knowing that it gets under Trump’s (flabby) skin makes me feel all warm inside with schadenfreude.

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William Lewis  Feb 9, 2020 • 8:07:43pm

re: #20 Belafon

You can wish, but a bet is not a wish.

Understood.

Going serious, I have known a fair number of women with serious eating disorders. One was a major girlfriend in highschool who’s issues help turn my tastes to thick women. She survived and we are still dear friends.

OTOH, I know two others who did not survive. One was a TV news announcer who died of starvation in her apartment and was only found after she didn’t show up at work.

So, yeah, I know what I am asking for when I wish for Karen to survive.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 9, 2020 • 8:09:31pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 9, 2020 • 8:09:41pm

re: #22 William Lewis

I’m in a good mood tonight, I’m really not sure why. So I’ll post this by one of my heroes…

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Video

If you love heroes you will love this video of the making of the song. The producer tells the story about the making of the song, the good and the unexpected. *

Toni Visconti explains David Bowie heroes production

* I think someone else posted this a while ago, not sure who, but thanks.

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unproven innocence  Feb 9, 2020 • 8:10:18pm

re: #21 The Pie Overlord!

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Echoing…
Obamas-produced film ‘American Factory’ wins Best Documentary Oscar By Judy Kurtz - 02/09/20 09:18 PM EST

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 9, 2020 • 8:10:19pm

re: #23 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Vroom, no boom

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 9, 2020 • 8:12:09pm

re: #4 Belafon

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I bet this guy really freaked out when Eminem started his number. It took my wife a few seconds to recognize him: “When did he get a beard?”

So that ass works for Glenn Beck. No wonder he decided to get so stupid!

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William Lewis  Feb 9, 2020 • 8:14:08pm

re: #27 I Would Prefer Not To

Thank you.

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Disloyal Archangel  Feb 9, 2020 • 8:18:51pm
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Sherlock Hound  Feb 9, 2020 • 8:20:50pm

re: #29 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

It finished its first burn. In about 45 minutes, it heads out for the Sun!

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Belafon  Feb 9, 2020 • 8:21:23pm

re: #25 William Lewis

Understood.

Going serious, I have known a fair number of women with serious eating disorders. One was a major girlfriend in highschool who’s issues help turn my tastes to thick women. She survived and we are still dear friends.

OTOH, I know two others who did not survive. One was a TV news announcer who died of starvation in her apartment and was only found after she didn’t show up at work.

So, yeah, I know what I am asking for when I wish for Karen to survive.

I didn’t mean for it to sound like I was getting onto you. The section on Karen’s health on wikipedia was a frightening read.

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Belafon  Feb 9, 2020 • 8:23:12pm

re: #26 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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The guy on CBS this morning said that Joker didn’t deserve best picture, but that Joaquin deserved best actor, because, if you’re going to have an unhinged character, who’s best to play one other than him.

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Rightwingconspirator  Feb 9, 2020 • 8:27:52pm

re: #14 William Lewis

(Hey, Parasite? Grab that Best Picture one while you’re up there. Really piss off the fascist motherfuckers. )

It did. LOL

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Disloyal Archangel  Feb 9, 2020 • 8:28:40pm
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William Lewis  Feb 9, 2020 • 8:30:04pm

re: #34 Belafon

I didn’t mean for it to sound like I was getting onto you. The section on Karen’s health on wikipedia was a frightening read.

I gotcha. I just got my nightly text from the survivor at almost the same time your post here. Made me think and, well, consider. It’s not a story for here but I’ll always consider the 1812 Overture a musical success story for far more personal reasons than the Russians beating the French.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 9, 2020 • 8:32:06pm

I wonder if Parasite won so many awards because the Academy got dragged through the muck so bad on #oscarssowhite?

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 9, 2020 • 8:34:33pm
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gwangung  Feb 9, 2020 • 8:35:24pm

re: #36 Rightwingconspirator

It did. LOL

FUCK YES!

(I’m not Korean. Just have a helluva lot of Korean/KA friends).

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William Lewis  Feb 9, 2020 • 8:35:47pm

re: #36 Rightwingconspirator

It did. LOL

Too funny. I really don’t care to watch any of the nominated flicks this year except “Ford Vs Ferrari” even though that shouldn’t have been nominated, but for Parasite to win is fine with me because I want to watch the haters whine and cry for the next year.

I am just so fucking glad Tarantino didn’t win. Let him and everything he’s ever touched rot and be forgotten.

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DodgerFan1988  Feb 9, 2020 • 8:36:20pm

Right Wing racist snowflakes triggered.

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William Lewis  Feb 9, 2020 • 8:38:41pm

So I know the earlier award was in Korean, did he do that to the right wing Motherfuckers a second time?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Feb 9, 2020 • 8:43:32pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 9, 2020 • 8:44:17pm

re: #44 William Lewis

So I know the earlier award was in Korean, did he do that to the right wing Motherfuckers a second time?

He sure as hell did. (He had a translator on stage with him)

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William Lewis  Feb 9, 2020 • 8:45:20pm

OT again:
I love my new combo oven, convection oven, air fryer. It’s a drunkard’s dream because even if you forgot the burrito you put in because you got the munchies, it has an auto shutoff to save your butt from a fire if you fell asleep. :D

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William Lewis  Feb 9, 2020 • 8:46:12pm

re: #46 Eclectic Cyborg

He sure as hell did. (He had a translator on stage with him)

< great fucking big thumbs up >

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 9, 2020 • 8:46:51pm

I’m glad to see Parasite won - it really was the best film of the year. Also, nice to see Bong Joon-ho winning for Best Director as well; hopefully, it’ll spur people to seek out his other films, such as the outstanding Memories of Murder (based on the real-life Hwaseong serial murders of 1986 - 1991).

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Belafon  Feb 9, 2020 • 8:48:54pm

re: #45 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

I just went and looked at the replies to Miller’s tweet. He’s getting some big names in there:

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jaunte  Feb 9, 2020 • 8:50:30pm
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mmmirele  Feb 9, 2020 • 8:50:36pm

re: #49 Dr Lizardo

I’m glad to see Parasite won - it really was the best film of the year. Also, nice to see Bong Joon-ho winning for Best Director as well; hopefully, it’ll spur people to seek out his other films, such as the outstanding Memories of Murder (based on the real-life Hwaseong serial murders of 1986 - 1991).

One of my coworkers (his mom is Korean) was telling me about “Memories of Murder”! He was quite impressed.

ETA: He’d seen it when he was younger, and it had come up at work last fall after it came out that the murderer had been identified after 30 years, who is already in prison.

hollywoodreporter.com

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Belafon  Feb 9, 2020 • 8:51:54pm

I could stare at this one for hours:

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retired cynic  Feb 9, 2020 • 8:52:26pm

re: #14 William Lewis

OT: I was just watching a White Stripes video and appreciating how good Meg White is as a drummer and got really really fucking pissed off that Karen Carpenter was never allowed to be the great drummer that she was. They should have fucking miked her kit not made her stand out front and feel embarrassed. Had she been allowed to sing from the kit, would she still be with us? I don’t know. But I’d bet it is more likely than not. …

Lots of people wonder at that!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 9, 2020 • 8:52:32pm

re: #49 Dr Lizardo

I’m glad to see Parasite won - it really was the best film of the year. Also, nice to see Bong Joon-ho winning for Best Director as well; hopefully, it’ll spur people to seek out his other films, such as the outstanding Memories of Murder (based on the real-life Hwaseong serial murders of 1986 - 1991).

I definitely was intrigued by Parasite. I remember wanting to see the Infernal Affairs after seeing The Departed. Different matter but it’s interesting exploring familiar themes in a setting that I wouldn’t be familiar with. I’ve liked the other nominees for best picture I saw but this one stood out.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 9, 2020 • 8:53:55pm

re: #51 jaunte

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Auditioning for Trump?

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 9, 2020 • 8:54:29pm

re: #52 mmmirele

One of my coworkers (his mom is Korean) was telling me about “Memories of Murder”! He was quite impressed.

Definitely - it is an impressive film; well-acted, well-directed and well-written.

BTW, when Memories of Murder was released back in 2003, the serial killer responsible for the crimes hadn’t been identified. That identification (and his confession to the murders) happened last year, and you can read about it here: en.wikipedia.org

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jaunte  Feb 9, 2020 • 8:56:25pm
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Dr Lizardo  Feb 9, 2020 • 8:57:09pm

re: #55 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I definitely was intrigued by Parasite. I remember wanting to see the Infernal Affairs after seeing The Departed. Different matter but it’s interesting exploring familiar themes in a setting that I wouldn’t be familiar with. I’ve liked the other nominees for best picture I saw but this one stood out.

Yep, exactly. Parasite really caught my attention and the other films nominated for Best Picture were very good films as well.

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Disloyal Archangel  Feb 9, 2020 • 9:09:41pm
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gwangung  Feb 9, 2020 • 9:22:08pm

re: #58 jaunte

Asian twitter in general and Asian drama twitter in particular are going bonkers tonight.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 9, 2020 • 9:29:44pm

Well it’s past midnight on the East Coast and my family is insisting Trump will begin to round up his enemies starting at midnight… And there’s a lot of Q shit dropping…

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BeachDem  Feb 9, 2020 • 9:34:20pm

According to the thing’s schedule for tomorrow, at 3:30 he’s greeting Parkland families in the Oval office? Huh—why would any of them want to go, and what is the purpose (we’ll probably never know because closed press)

Then he’s off for another MAGAt rally in New Hampshire, because dog forbid a day goes by that he doesn’t make himself the center of attention (and do no work).

Sigh—that probably means he’ll be sullying my state later this month—our primary is on 2/29, a Saturday, so he’ll have to give up Friday at Maragaudy to come scream his shit here that Friday night. Don’t see one scheduled, but can’t believe he’d let an event go on that wasn’t starring him. Ugh. Ugh. Ugh.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 9, 2020 • 9:35:13pm

Okeydokey, off to work I go. Back later.

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uriel  Feb 9, 2020 • 9:43:30pm

re: #22 William Lewis

I’m in a good mood tonight, I’m really not sure why. So I’ll post this by one of my heroes…

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I think, of all the celebrity death that hit me hard, his was one of the hardest. And this song is one of the reasons.

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sagehen  Feb 9, 2020 • 9:46:21pm

re: #47 William Lewis

OT again:
I love my new combo oven, convection oven, air fryer. It’s a drunkard’s dream because even if you forgot the burrito you put in because you got the munchies, it has an auto shutoff to save your butt from a fire if you fell asleep. :D

Does it also have microwave capabilities? I saw such a combo-appliance online recently, and was thinking of buying it.

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William Lewis  Feb 9, 2020 • 9:54:40pm

re: #66 sagehen

Does it also have microwave capabilities? I saw such a combo-appliance online recently, and was thinking of buying it.

No microwave in mine - couldn’t quite afford the price jump (the faraday cage makes a big difference). But with it, a tea kettle, a microwave, my instant pot and my rice cooker, I am so in bachelor heaven … ;) The only thing I have to do on my regular stove anymore is pasta.

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William Lewis  Feb 9, 2020 • 10:01:17pm

Blah. I’ve annoyed and bored you all enough tonight. Good night and may the goodness of the universe bless you all.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 9, 2020 • 10:21:07pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 9, 2020 • 10:28:28pm
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Targetpractice  Feb 9, 2020 • 10:47:38pm

re: #69 Dread Pirate

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I’m going to assume that Donny’s flying monkeys have also ventured to Burlington, Wilmington, and Cambridge. Dumpster-diving bastards are probably looking for anything they can use on whoever wins the nomination.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 9, 2020 • 11:03:15pm

DES RONDS DANS L’EAU / Marion RAMPAL & Pierre-François BLANCHARD “LE SECRET”

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sagehen  Feb 9, 2020 • 11:07:07pm

re: #70 GlutenFreeJesus

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BTS: Black Swan

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Targetpractice  Feb 9, 2020 • 11:18:39pm

This was my thought as well, that the idea that Trump is somehow barred from further fucking with Lt. Col Vindman’s life now that he’s been marched out the White House gates is ridiculous. He doesn’t even have to do things like go after the man’s Ranger tab or try to have him busted down in rank. He can do other things to make the man’s life miserable, like leaning on the Army to put him in a shithole posting, or pull his security clearance on BS claims that he’s a “security risk.” So long as Trump remains in the man’s chain of command, the only limit on the damage he can do to his life is the length of his attention span.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 9, 2020 • 11:40:52pm
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Targetpractice  Feb 9, 2020 • 11:46:02pm

re: #75 Dread Pirate

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Really, when they blame the CBP being cut-off from DMV records as reason for this move, it’s about more than just coming up with a convenient excuse. Odds are somebody got wood thinking that an influx of “illegals” to the DMV files would make their jobs easier because they could just cross-reference every “foreign” name in the database against existing CBP records and have an immediate idea who to grab and where.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 9, 2020 • 11:57:30pm

It sucks when they ask your attorney to testify against you.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Feb 10, 2020 • 12:08:18am

re: #75 Dread Pirate

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It’s not “special privileges.” It’s a rational allocation of limited security resources - if I want to go to the trouble of getting cleared as someone who’s not a threat (which is a significant commitment of *my* time and resources), border agents don’t have to spend time clearing me again and again, and can instead focus their limited resources on travelers who don’t cross often and aren’t known to them.

If it’s working (and in practice, it works very well), it speeds things up for EVERYONE, because this way I’m not in your lane, either. And if you cross often enough to make it worth your time and effort, you should be able to get pre-clearance, too. The program is, or should be, open to anyone who wants to use it.

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Targetpractice  Feb 10, 2020 • 12:36:17am

re: #77 Dread Pirate

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It sucks when they ask your attorney to testify against you.

This whole shitshow is a desperate cry for help from Powell to one man: Trump. She’s playing his buttons like Bach, weaving this story about “rogue” DOJ operators who conned Flynn into a “perjury trap” and then falsified documents when that failed, corrupt defense attorneys who sold Flynn out, and a judicial system that’s been trying to railroad him into jail to hurt Trump politically.

The purpose of it all is to give Trump every reason to believe Flynn a loyal soldier who never gave up anything, that the whole plea deal business was about protecting his family, and that it’ll be some sort of “victory” over the “deep state” to give him the pardon he deserves for never turning on his boss.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 10, 2020 • 1:35:43am

re: #78 i(m)p(each)sos

Perhaps ACTING DHS Secretary Wolf shouldn’t be implementing policy changes, you know, like the law says.

It’s not “special privileges.” It’s a rational allocation of limited security resources - if I want to go to the trouble of getting cleared as someone who’s not a threat (which is a significant commitment of *my* time and resources), border agents don’t have to spend time clearing me again and again, and can instead focus their limited resources on travelers who don’t cross often and aren’t known to them.

If it’s working (and in practice, it works very well), it speeds things up for EVERYONE, because this way I’m not in your lane, either. And if you cross often enough to make it worth your time and effort, you should be able to get pre-clearance, too. The program is, or should be, open to anyone who wants to use it.

Via Wikipedia: The United States and other countries that allow preclearance have been accused of also being motivated by the desire to prevent the arrival of asylum seekers, who are otherwise protected under the 1951 Refugee Convention’s non-refoulement provisions once they arrive at their destination.

Sure it’s special privilege.

Rational allocation of limited security resources:

Setting up additional inspection lanes for people. Also courtesy of Wikipedia, the waits at some busy preclearance facilities, notably Toronto Pearson Airport (the busiest U.S. preclearance facility), can often exceed the waiting times of non-precleared flights at the destination and cause significant delays to departure schedules.

Passengers traveling from a preclearance port arrive in the United States as domestic travelers, but are still subject to reinspection at the discretion of Customs and Border Protection. (More time-wasting of scarce resources and travellers’ time. I guarantee you the preclearance program’s extra inspections under our racist government is going to focus on those with funny names, improper melanin levels, or Muslim origins.)

Focusing their limited resources on travellers who don’t cross often and aren’t known to them:

Or, you can just get a Gold Star Family plate from your state for your car and get waved through driving across without asking you if you’re even carrying fruits and vegetables. I have only been stopped once by US customs, in Montana asking if I was smuggling guns in a Smart and that’s the only question they asked.

CBP is now demanding from other nations the right to open-carry firearms in those nations. Canada is considering a bill which would allow it only in places where Canada’s Border Services are allowed to do so (Bill C-23); that’s not good enough for our CBP. Other countries are pulling out of the programme due to Trump’s Muslim ban; The Netherlands already has.

You should be able to get pre-clearance too. It should be open to anyone who wants to use it.

When the program was first started in 1952, that was one rationale. Additionally, it was to relieve congestion in US airports which did not have sufficient customs inspection areas—that problem was cleared up many years ago. The second was to prohibit people from boarding a ship or aircraft, so we didn’t have the hassle of deporting them later. Trump’s DHS would never exploit that for racist intent. /s

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 10, 2020 • 1:42:16am
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 10, 2020 • 1:45:55am
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 10, 2020 • 1:58:26am
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 10, 2020 • 2:08:31am

re: #83 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Amurika!!

Speaking of Canada…. yeah, we weren’t but it’s a good transition, among the very many free TV shows available online there are some wild ones in regards to “lifestyles”.

Here is a program from Toronto that is about glamour real estate. It’s so over the top it approaches self-parody. It’s all about the lifestyles of the rich and famous but in a most amateurish way:

tubitv.com

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 10, 2020 • 2:17:43am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 10, 2020 • 2:33:29am

re: #85 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Schlapp: Romney Wouldn’t Be “Physically Safe” At CPAC -

Because they are big on Second Amendment Solutions…

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 10, 2020 • 2:35:58am

re: #86 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Because they are big on Second Amendment Solutions…

Comment over at Joe My God:

Liberals cheering on Mitt Romney. We may be indeed living in the End Times…

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 10, 2020 • 2:40:16am

re: #86 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Because they are big on Second Amendment Solutions…

That doesn’t sound like threatening a sitting US Senator at all from Matt Schlapp …

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 10, 2020 • 2:41:09am

re: #83 Anymouse 🌹🎃

A member of our well regulated militia (and volunteer church security guard) shoots the floor of the church’s security office, injuring another guard’s face with shrapnel and flooring pieces.

Because we live on the frontier and need to be armed in order guard our places of worship against marauding bands of Indians?

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 10, 2020 • 2:41:39am

Meanwhile, in Ireland, an absolutely spectacular win by Sinn Féin is likely to alter the Irish political landscape:

Sinn Féin candidates stormed to a series of spectacular victories in general election counts last night, reshaping Ireland’s political landscape as party leaders begin to turn their attention to how the next government might be formed.

Though many seats remain to be filled and counts will continue this morning, a hung Dáil, which will be dominated by three big parties - Sinn Féin, Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael - is inevitable

Taoiseach Leo Varadkar reiterated he would not form a government with Sinn Féin, but indicated a coalition with Fianna Fail could be possible, saying “we are willing to talk to other parties about the possibility of forming a new government, one that would lead the country forward for the next five years”.

Sinn Féin leader Mary Lou McDonald, while hailing her party’s successes around the country, took steps to contact other left-wing parties to arrange talks on government formation. Speaking at Dublin’s RDS, she said she wants to explore whether such a new government would be possible.

irishtimes.com

I gotta admit, I’m genuinely surprised by this: I never would’ve imagined that Sinn Féin would’ve ever gotten this much support from the electorate given their long association with the IRA.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 10, 2020 • 2:46:40am

re: #90 Dr Lizardo

Meanwhile, in Ireland, an absolutely spectacular win by Sinn Féin is likely to alter the Irish political landscape:

irishtimes.com

I gotta admit, I’m genuinely surprised by this: I never would’ve imagined that Sinn Féin would’ve ever gotten this much support from the electorate given their long association with the IRA.

It has been over a generation since the IRA was associated with violent acts of terror.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 10, 2020 • 3:06:21am

In Wuhan Coronavirus news, looks like Shanghai and Chongqing are in lockdown - and Beijing has ordered public venues closed.

taiwannews.com.tw

And here we go with global supply chains being effected….

edition.cnn.com (autoplay video embedded at link)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 10, 2020 • 3:11:05am

re: #92 Dr Lizardo

In Wuhan Coronavirus news, looks like Shanghai and Chongqing are in lockdown - and Beijing has ordered public venues closed.

taiwannews.com.tw

And here we go with global supply chains being effected….

edition.cnn.com (autoplay video embedded at link)

affected (Grammar police kicking down your door!)

I read that they have developed a (relatively) quick test for CV, but it would still take enormous amounts of time and resources to check everyone entering or leaving a large city…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 10, 2020 • 3:12:56am

re: #84 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Here is a program from Toronto that is about glamour real estate. It’s so over the top it approaches self-parody. It’s all about the lifestyles of the rich and famous but in a most amateurish way:

tubitv.com

assume that their target audience are knuckle-draggers who will never see the inside of a place like that unless they win the lottery…

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 10, 2020 • 3:13:45am

re: #93 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I can’t imagine the logistics of trying to test everyone in a city that has a population twice the size of the entire Czech Republic. Good grief.

BBL.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 10, 2020 • 3:18:07am

re: #95 Dr Lizardo

I can’t imagine the logistics of trying to test everyone in a city that has a population twice the size of the entire Czech Republic. Good grief.

BBL.

The test takes less than two hours, but yeah, multiply that by a factor of millions…

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 10, 2020 • 4:13:57am

Father of modern creationism ‘enters heavenly glory’ (goes to The Free Thinker, a counter-apologist at Patheos, more at the link):

DR JOHN Whitcomb, above, described by Ken Ham of Answers in Genesis as ‘one of the greatest theologians this world has seen,’ fell off his perch this week aged 95.

In a tribute to Whitcomb, co-author of The Genesis Flood and “a giant in the modern creation movement,” Ham wrote:

Dr. Whitcomb greatly impacted my life. During my final year of university studies in 1974, I first obtained a copy of his book The Genesis Flood (co-authored with the late Dr. Henry Morris). This book, along with others I had gotten, gave me biblical and scientific answers to those who attacked the record of the flood in Genesis.

This was one of the first books we sold in the ministry that began in our home in Australia in 1977 that eventually became the Answers in Genesis organization that now impacts tens of millions of people a year around the world. It was a book I showed my father, and he was so thrilled to see answers to the objections so many people in the church raised against taking the flood account literally.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 10, 2020 • 4:17:19am

re: #97 Anymouse 🌹🎃

If you are a Biblical Literalist, then you have to reject not only Evolution, but also genetics, geology, history, archaeology, anthropology and even logic, as the Scriptures often contradict themselves…

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 10, 2020 • 4:23:25am

re: #98 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If you are a Biblical Literalist, then you have to reject not only Evolution, but also genetics, geology, history, archaeology, anthropology and even logic, as the Scriptures often contradict themselves…

Pretty much.

A meme on Noah’s Ark goes like this:

San Diego Zoo’s Wild Animal Park
3,000+ animals
1,800+ acres
500+ employees

Noah’s Ark
100,000+ animals
1 boat
8 people

Seems legit

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2020 • 4:24:34am

re: #67 William Lewis

No microwave in mine - couldn’t quite afford the price jump (the faraday cage makes a big difference). But with it, a tea kettle, a microwave, my instant pot and my rice cooker, I am so in bachelor heaven … ;) The only thing I have to do on my regular stove anymore is pasta.

I’ve got one of these microwave pasta cookers at Amazon. I love it!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 10, 2020 • 4:28:13am

re: #47 William Lewis

OT again:
I love my new combo oven, convection oven, air fryer. It’s a drunkard’s dream because even if you forgot the burrito you put in because you got the munchies, it has an auto shutoff to save your butt from a fire if you fell asleep. :D

I have a microwave/convection combo. Alas, no auto shutoff. I have more than once messed up and put rolls in to bake in the oven setting and put in on microwave by mistake and was alerted by the smoke detector.

The rolls were nearly solid charcoal, smoking and crackling…stank up the place for a week.

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sagehen  Feb 10, 2020 • 4:52:45am

re: #98 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If you are a Biblical Literalist, then you have to reject not only Evolution, but also genetics, geology, history, archaeology, anthropology and even logic, as the Scriptures often contradict themselves…

For people at a 2nd-grade reading comprehension level.

Genesis Chapter 1 is a creation narrative — it starts from nothing, goes through various steps and ends up with PEOPLE.

Genesis Chapter 2 loops back to the start and does another creation narrative — it starts from nothing, goes through various steps and ends up with PEOPLE.

But these narratives don’t put all the steps in the same order, at some steps God uses different methods. They are contradictory, incompatible narratives. They can’t both be true.

That’s the big flashing neon sign, right there in the text from the start, that Genesis was never intended to be read as a literal, factual account.

Metaphor is not a modern invention.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 10, 2020 • 4:53:42am

re: #83 Anymouse 🌹🎃

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Lancaster County, PA. The only county in the US that has NEVER voted Democratic in a Presidential election…

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 10, 2020 • 4:55:22am

Today’s curious word origin: Testify.

So why do (Christians) swear an oath on the Bible, when the original sense of swearing an oath was to grab someone by the testicles?

Genesis 24:1-4

1 And Abraham was old, and well stricken in age: and the Lord had blessed Abraham in all things.

2 And Abraham said unto his eldest servant of his house, that ruled over all that he had, Put, I pray thee, thy hand under my thigh:

3 And I will make thee swear by the Lord, the God of heaven, and the God of the earth, that thou shalt not take a wife unto my son of the daughters of the Canaanites, among whom I dwell:

4 But thou shalt go unto my country, and to my kindred, and take a wife unto my son Isaac.

Why place a hand on the Bible instead of the Judge’s genitals when taking an oath? (Goes to English Language Usage)

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 10, 2020 • 5:17:32am

C.D.C. and W.H.O. Offers to Help China Have Been Ignored for Weeks (New York Times)

For more than a month, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has been offering to send a team of experts to China to observe its coronavirus outbreak and help if it can.

Normally, teams from the agency’s Epidemic Intelligence Service can be in the air within 24 hours.

But no invitation has come — and no one can publicly explain why.

The World Health Organization, which made a similar offer about two weeks ago, appears to be facing the same cold shoulder, though a spokeswoman said it is just “sorting out arrangements.”

(more)

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Weaselone  Feb 10, 2020 • 5:17:49am

re: #104 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I think we should all be greatful for the dedication of monks and later innovation of the printing press that spared countless later generations from having to grab old men’s testicles.

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jeffreyw  Feb 10, 2020 • 5:23:48am

Good morning!

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 10, 2020 • 5:31:49am

re: #106 Weaselone

I think we should all be greatful for the dedication of monks and later innovation of the printing press that spared countless later generations from having to grab old men’s testicles.

Well, a couple of wags there note that why would you care if you swore on the judge’s testicles? It would make more sense if you did it on your own testicles, as they are on the chopping block if you lie.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 10, 2020 • 5:40:03am

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Shropshire Slasher  Feb 10, 2020 • 5:50:21am

re: #104 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Today’s curious word origin: Testify.

So why do (Christians) swear an oath on the Bible, when the original sense of swearing an oath was to grab someone by the testicles?

Genesis 24:1-4

Why place a hand on the Bible instead of the Judge’s genitals when taking an oath? (Goes to English Language Usage)

If I wanted to read church stuff I would have went yesterday.

//

Still bitter at being force fed Catholicism.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 10, 2020 • 5:54:11am

re: #110 Shropshire Slasher

If I wanted to read church stuff I would have went yesterday.

//

Still bitter at being force fed Catholicism.

I was also raised Catholic, but that was in the late 80’s when Civil Rights and MLK were going on. I recall when the monsignor came to visit our Sunday School class and the nun teaching it knelt to kiss his ring, and even back then at age eight, finding it offensive, after all, that we don’t need to do shit like that in America anymore…

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Shropshire Slasher  Feb 10, 2020 • 5:55:41am

This heavy cream in my coffee taste all that much better this morning, thank you Joaquin Phoenix. This message brought to to you by the Recalcitrant Engineer’s for a Drug Free Society.

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Shropshire Slasher  Feb 10, 2020 • 5:59:42am

re: #111 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I don’t regret it, it’s made me who I am today, but I would never go back. I don’t need somewhere to pray or meditate or whatever you may call it. I was just thankful I never had to be up front helping the priest with the service. Later in life I found out why, my father’s family priest grabbed his junk when he was a teenager and then was mad at my dad he didn’t act the way he thought he should.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 10, 2020 • 6:01:37am

Women ranchers and farmers will finally be counted by the USDA.
huffpost.com

The Agriculture Department as set up assumed the only people who ran ranches and farms are men, so women who did that were never counted.

huffpost.com

Megan Brown will soon be the first single woman to run her family’s 200-head cattle operation, which includes several ranches just outside Oroville, California. She lives alone on one of those ranches, 3,500 acres of land that she is helping her aging parents run as they move toward retirement.

The other farmers in her area, almost exclusively older white men, aren’t sure what to make of her. When they gather at a local cafe to swap stories and farming tips, she isn’t invited. She’s basically given up on trying to fit in those circles.

“Everybody thought I was going to get married young, and get married to a cowboy,” she said. She thinks that’s the reason her dad never taught her how to drive the big truck and stock trailer when she was growing up, skills she now has to master. “All of a sudden, they just expected me to be really good at it.”

The ranch has been in her family since the 1930s. Her great-grandparents, grandparents and parents did the work of the farm together, as couples. But soon, it will be just her. “It would be nice to have someone to help,” she said. “But you know what? I can hire that, and they’d probably do a better job than a husband.”

(more)

The article goes into problems about all sorts of things such as tractors, cattle castration tools, and even ranch boots being exclusively designed for men.

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Shropshire Slasher  Feb 10, 2020 • 6:02:58am

re: #114 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Lol, castration tools being designed for men. (Crosses legs)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 10, 2020 • 6:03:04am

re: #113 Shropshire Slasher

I don’t regret it, it’s made me who I am today, but I would never go back.

It also shaped my view of the world, but I abandoned its teachings and doctrines ages ago.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Feb 10, 2020 • 6:08:21am

re: #80 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Perhaps ACTING DHS Secretary Wolf shouldn’t be implementing policy changes, you know, like the law says.

Via Wikipedia: The United States and other countries that allow preclearance have been accused of also being motivated by the desire to prevent the arrival of asylum seekers, who are otherwise protected under the 1951 Refugee Convention’s non-refoulement provisions once they arrive at their destination.

Sure it’s special privilege.

Rational allocation of limited security resources:

Setting up additional inspection lanes for people. Also courtesy of Wikipedia, the waits at some busy preclearance facilities, notably Toronto Pearson Airport (the busiest U.S. preclearance facility), can often exceed the waiting times of non-precleared flights at the destination and cause significant delays to departure schedules.

Passengers traveling from a preclearance port arrive in the United States as domestic travelers, but are still subject to reinspection at the discretion of Customs and Border Protection. (More time-wasting of scarce resources and travellers’ time. I guarantee you the preclearance program’s extra inspections under our racist government is going to focus on those with funny names, improper melanin levels, or Muslim origins.)

Focusing their limited resources on travellers who don’t cross often and aren’t known to them:

Or, you can just get a Gold Star Family plate from your state for your car and get waved through driving across without asking you if you’re even carrying fruits and vegetables. I have only been stopped once by US customs, in Montana asking if I was smuggling guns in a Smart and that’s the only question they asked.

CBP is now demanding from other nations the right to open-carry firearms in those nations. Canada is considering a bill which would allow it only in places where Canada’s Border Services are allowed to do so (Bill C-23); that’s not good enough for our CBP. Other countries are pulling out of the programme due to Trump’s Muslim ban; The Netherlands already has.

You should be able to get pre-clearance too. It should be open to anyone who wants to use it.

When the program was first started in 1952, that was one rationale. Additionally, it was to relieve congestion in US airports which did not have sufficient customs inspection areas—that problem was cleared up many years ago. The second was to prohibit people from boarding a ship or aircraft, so we didn’t have the hassle of deporting them later. Trump’s DHS would never exploit that for racist intent. /s

We’re talking about two completely different programs, probably because I used the wrong term.

What you’re talking about is the practice of putting the Customs facility at the other end of a busy international corridor. If you get on a US-bound flight from London or Toronto (or Dublin, the last time I did it), you go through the US customs line before you fly, rather than after you arrive.

Everyone on the flight does it - there’s no option of “let me deal with the line after I land.” It’s actually rather nice once you land - you arrive at a domestic terminal and walk right off the plane like you would on a domestic flight.

That has nothing to do with trusted traveler programs like the ones Trump wants to shut me out of. NEXUS, Global Entry, SENTRI, FAST and the rest are simply a way to say ahead of time “we’ve already done the work of checking this traveler out and determined they pose little or no risk, so let them through routinely.”

The one can work with the other - if you have Global Entry, you can be cleared on to a flight from a preclearance facility in, say, Dublin as easily as you can be when you land at JFK. But they’re still different programs entirely.

As for your border experience? I doubt the Gold Star plates had much to do with it. Even now, routine land crossings from Canada are often that straightforward. I had a crossing like that just a few weeks ago. In effect, you’re getting the NEXUS experience - whatever it is that flags someone as getting detailed attention, you’re not it, so they want you out and across quickly and out of their way.

All the trusted traveler programs do is formalize that process so they can make that determination once instead of every time you show up at the border.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 10, 2020 • 6:11:18am

re: #117 i(m)p(each)sos

Thanks for straightening me out on that.

The border crossing from Saskatchewan to Raymond, Montana is pretty boring. They probably get more tumbleweeds and tractors than cars.

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lawhawk  Feb 10, 2020 • 6:12:38am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I got to see Hair Love yesterday morning as part of CBS Sunday Morning, and it was full of feels. Glad that it won a well deserved accolade.

I guess congrats also to the Obamas, since their production company won an Oscar for one of their films too. Would this mean that they’re on their way to an EGOT at some point?

Meanwhile, Trump continues to screw all Americans who aren’t part of the cult. He’s continuing to do lasting damage to Organ Pipe National Monument, destroying Native American sacred sites in the process. He’s completely ignoring infrastructure needs in the US, and his base doesn’t care because he’s getting the boondoggle wall built. That’s all that matters - a monument to xenophobia and bigotry. That’s his lasting legacy.

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sagehen  Feb 10, 2020 • 6:13:05am

So according to the Boston Globe’s new this morning NH poll… Amy’s picked up 5 points in the last 48 hours.

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sagehen  Feb 10, 2020 • 6:14:39am

re: #119 lawhawk

I guess congrats also to the Obamas, since their production company won an Oscar for one of their films too. Would this mean that they’re on their way to an EGOT at some point?

They already have the Grammy, now it’s an Oscar, but I have my doubts about their Emmy and/or Tony potential.

ETA: unless Dreams From My Father is suitable for dramatization…

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Belafon  Feb 10, 2020 • 6:21:07am
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 10, 2020 • 6:21:55am

re: #121 sagehen

They already have the Grammy, now it’s an Oscar, but I have my doubts about their Emmy and/or Tony potential.

Barack Obama seems to be a pretty good singer, based on his performance of “Amazing Grace” at Mother Emanuel AME Church in Charleston.

Perhaps we’ll see him in a Broadway musical yet.

(3:45)

Obama Sings ‘Amazing Grace’ During Pinckney Eulogy | msnbc

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A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!  Feb 10, 2020 • 6:23:01am

re: #104 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Today’s curious word origin: Testify.

So why do (Christians) swear an oath on the Bible, when the original sense of swearing an oath was to grab someone by the testicles?

Genesis 24:1-4

Why place a hand on the Bible instead of the Judge’s genitals when taking an oath? (Goes to English Language Usage)

Because we’re not Romans?

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 10, 2020 • 6:23:14am

re: #107 jeffreyw

Mr Cardinal called in his mob to take care of the squawky woodpecker?

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lawhawk  Feb 10, 2020 • 6:24:03am

re: #121 sagehen

If they’re a production company, those are within the realm of possibility.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 10, 2020 • 6:24:27am

re: #124 A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!

Because we’re not Romans?

maybe original bibles were bound using infidel’s scrotal skin…

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Belafon  Feb 10, 2020 • 6:24:45am
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Florida Panhandler  Feb 10, 2020 • 6:25:43am

re: #91 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The Populist wave that has been sweeping the Western World does not mean what many racist whites think it means. They think in terms of a Populist united white people’s world. But in reality, the success of parties like Sinn Fein with undeniable separatist And independent agendas means that much more discord and a fractured world is going to play a larger and larger role in trade and alliances.

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sagehen  Feb 10, 2020 • 6:26:55am

re: #127 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

maybe original bibles were bound using infidel’s scrotal skin…

When David had to prove to Saul how many Philistines he’d killed, he brought their foreskins to be counted.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 10, 2020 • 6:29:40am

re: #129 Florida Panhandler

The Populist wave that has been sweeping the Western World does not mean what many racist whites think it means. They think in terms of a Populist united white people’s world.

Populism can take a lot of forms, we had socialist populists in America like Huey Long in the 20’s and 30’s, and although a lot of populist parties like Germany’s AfD have very conservative social agendas, their economic agenda is very anti-corporate and anti-banking, almost socialist.

And what do we call a party that combines elements of nationalism and socialism?

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i(m)p(each)sos  Feb 10, 2020 • 6:32:37am

re: #118 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Thanks for straightening me out on that.

The border crossing from Saskatchewan to Raymond, Montana is pretty boring. They probably get more tumbleweeds and tractors than cars.

No doubt! But sometimes those little crossings can be the worst. Some years back, I was going from Fort Frances, ON to International Falls, MN and got the third degree - had to go inside the station, fill out forms while they searched the car, etc.

Why? Who knows. Must have been a slow day.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 10, 2020 • 6:35:10am

re: #132 i(m)p(each)sos

No doubt! But sometimes those little crossings can be the worst. Some years back, I was going from Fort Frances, ON to International Falls, MN and got the third degree - had to go inside the station, fill out forms while they searched the car, etc.

Why? Who knows. Must have been a slow day.

I had to do that going into Canada traveling from Port Huron to Sarnia for our May trip to Massachusetts. Had to sit around for an hour and a half, then my wife and I were questioned separately on the purpose of our trip, were we really married and when, why did her passport say Missouri and mine Michigan, &c.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 10, 2020 • 6:36:42am

re: #132 i(m)p(each)sos

No doubt! But sometimes those little crossings can be the worst. Some years back, I was going from Fort Frances, ON to International Falls, MN and got the third degree - had to go inside the station, fill out forms while they searched the car, etc.

Why? Who knows. Must have been a slow day.

Used to be like that on the German/Netherlands border. When the Dutch guards saw the Germans giving people a hard time to people coming from the Netherlands, they turned around and did the same thing to people coming from Germany…

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retired cynic  Feb 10, 2020 • 6:36:49am

They are seriously going after Pelosi, damn them.
Judd Legum: Ripping reality apart
popular.info

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i(m)p(each)sos  Feb 10, 2020 • 6:43:13am

re: #133 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I had to do that going into Canada traveling from Port Huron to Sarnia for our May trip to Massachusetts. Had to sit around for an hour and a half, then my wife and I were questioned separately on the purpose of our trip, were we really married and when, why did her passport say Missouri and mine Michigan, &c.

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The point is, trusted traveler programs are designed to reduce that kind of needless delay. Whatever they might have been looking for with you (or me), the idea is that presenting a NEXUS card or Global Entry says “we checked already, he’s clean” and allows them to move on.

Which is why it makes zero sense to bar millions of potential users from the program just because of a political hissy fit. Whatever information they used to determine I was safe when my card was issued seven years ago probably wasn’t from NY DMV anyway.

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jeffreyw  Feb 10, 2020 • 6:45:08am

re: #125 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Mr Cardinal called in his mob to take care of the squawky woodpecker?

I think they’re electing a new pope.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 10, 2020 • 6:45:37am

re: #136 i(m)p(each)sos

The point is, trusted traveler programs are designed to reduce that kind of needless delay. Whatever they might have been looking for with you (or me), the idea is that presenting a NEXUS card or Global Entry says “we checked already, he’s clean” and allows them to move on.

Which is why it makes zero sense to bar millions of potential users from the program just because of a political hissy fit. Whatever information they used to determine I was safe when my card was issued seven years ago probably wasn’t from NY DMV anyway.

That the change was aimed particularly at New York made it pretty clear that it was Trump ordered pettiness. The spurious coverage story was just added to muddy the waters. Perhaps Trump asked Chris Christie about it in advance.

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retired cynic  Feb 10, 2020 • 6:45:41am

re: #92 Dr Lizardo

In Wuhan Coronavirus news, looks like Shanghai and Chongqing are in lockdown - and Beijing has ordered public venues closed.

taiwannews.com.tw

And here we go with global supply chains being effected….

edition.cnn.com (autoplay video embedded at link)

Talked to a friend last night whose family has a factory business in China, in the affected area. Her son and his family had gone to the Philippines for Chinese New Year, and they can’t leave. Their factory is shut down. (I think they make widgets for our supply chains.) The elevators in high rises are shut down, so you have to use the stairs. It is a massive disruption.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 10, 2020 • 6:45:44am

re: #102 sagehen

Probably because we’re looking at multiple creation myths that were floating around that part of the world at that point in time - and while they were ultimately blended into one, it’s somewhat inevitable that not everything could be retconned.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 10, 2020 • 6:46:09am

re: #137 jeffreyw

I think they’re electing a new pope.

Will they set the birdfeeder on fire when they’re done?

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 10, 2020 • 6:46:48am

re: #139 retired cynic

Talked to a friend last night whose family has a factory business in China, in the affected area. Her son and his family had gone to the Philippines for Chinese New Year, and they can’t leave. Their factory is shut down. (I think they make widgets for our supply chains.) The elevators in high rises are shut down, so you have to use the stairs. It is a massive disruption.

Yeah, this is a real mess and the economic impact of this mess is just starting to be felt.

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jaunte  Feb 10, 2020 • 6:47:17am

Yes, it’s not tax cuts for the wealthy jacking up the deficit, it’s all the useless eaters.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 10, 2020 • 6:48:15am

re: #140 Dr Lizardo

Probably because we’re looking at multiple creation myths that were floating around that part of the world at that point in time - and while they were ultimately blended into one, it’s somewhat inevitable that not everything could be retconned.

And the scriptures are not a unitary whole. They’re a collection that has been modified and edited multiple times with new things brought in and other things left out. And that’s not getting into the translation and copying errors that creep in.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 10, 2020 • 6:48:32am

re: #136 i(m)p(each)sos

The point is, trusted traveler programs are designed to reduce that kind of needless delay. Whatever they might have been looking for with you (or me), the idea is that presenting a NEXUS card or Global Entry says “we checked already, he’s clean” and allows them to move on.

Which is why it makes zero sense to bar millions of potential users from the program just because of a political hissy fit. Whatever information they used to determine I was safe when my card was issued seven years ago probably wasn’t from NY DMV anyway.

In Canada’s case, they had us talking to immigration officials, not customs officials. They wanted to know if we were going to stay (no), who we were visiting in Canada since we said we were going to stay overnight in London (try explaining a Wonkette commentator to them).

Customs just had the usual questions for us: anything to declare (yes, controlled substances, hand over VA printout of my medications), why do you have a two-digit license plate, that sort of thing.

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A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!  Feb 10, 2020 • 6:49:17am

re: #102 sagehen

For people at a 2nd-grade reading comprehension level.

Genesis Chapter 1 is a creation narrative — it starts from nothing, goes through various steps and ends up with PEOPLE.

Genesis Chapter 2 loops back to the start and does another creation narrative — it starts from nothing, goes through various steps and ends up with PEOPLE.

But these narratives don’t put all the steps in the same order, at some steps God uses different methods. They are contradictory, incompatible narratives. They can’t both be true.

That’s the big flashing neon sign, right there in the text from the start, that Genesis was never intended to be read as a literal, factual account.

Metaphor is not a modern invention.

The explanation I heard (can’t remember where) was that the ancient Hebrews knew that God created the world and didn’t much care exactly how.

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jeffreyw  Feb 10, 2020 • 6:52:13am

re: #141 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Will they set the birdfeeder on fire when they’re done?

They use the traditional method:

We have a new pope!
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jaunte  Feb 10, 2020 • 6:52:17am

Our self-heiling fuhrer.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 10, 2020 • 6:52:33am

re: #146 A hollow voice says, Guilty, guilty, guilty!

The explanation I heard (can’t remember where) was that the ancient Hebrews knew that God created the world and didn’t much care exactly how.

Well, having two versions of it would give them something to discuss and have opinions about.
/

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Rightwingconspirator  Feb 10, 2020 • 6:52:59am

re: #135 retired cynic

They are seriously going after Pelosi, damn them.
Judd Legum: Ripping reality apart
popular.info

Great link, thanks.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 10, 2020 • 6:55:50am

This man says he’s stockpiling billions of our photos (CNN)

If Hoan Ton-That is feeling the pressure, he isn’t showing it.
Over the last month, fears about facial recognition technology and police surveillance have intensified, all thanks to Ton-That’s startup, Clearview AI.

First came a front-page investigation in The New York Times, revealing Clearview has been working with law enforcement agencies to match photos of unknown faces to people’s online images. Next, cease-and-desist letters rolled in from tech giants Twitter, Google and Facebook. Lawmakers made inquiries and New Jersey enacted a statewide ban on law enforcement using Clearview while it looks into the software.

(more)

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retired cynic  Feb 10, 2020 • 6:58:15am

re: #128 Belafon

For months after that election, I made it a point to smile at each black person I saw, to let them know that I had joy in the Obama win, and what it meant for them. Each one, walking through Walmart, carried themselves straighter and looked people in the eye. It was a wonderful time.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 10, 2020 • 7:07:06am

re: #144 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

And the scriptures are not a unitary whole. They’re a collection that has been modified and edited multiple times with new things brought in and other things left out. And that’s not getting into the translation and copying errors that creep in.

And all the interpretations of what it really means

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 10, 2020 • 7:08:41am

re: #152 retired cynic

For months after that election, I made it a point to smile at each black person I saw, to let them know that I had joy in the Obama win, and what it meant for them. Each one, walking through Walmart, carried themselves straighter and looked people in the eye. It was a wonderful time.

Even as a white person, I felt pride in seeing the American Dream fulfilled: that anybody, regardless of race or social origin, had a chance to make it all the way to the top if they worked hard enough.

Of course, Conservatives could not admit this, as it would have meant recognizing, however grudgingly, Obama’s hard work and accomplishments. Instead they went about vilifying him and presenting him as a coddled affirmative-action Kenyan usurper, Manchurian Candidate and veritable Antichrist.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 10, 2020 • 7:11:21am

re: #144 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

And the scriptures are not a unitary whole. They’re a collection that has been modified and edited multiple times with new things brought in and other things left out. And that’s not getting into the translation and copying errors that creep in.

There is a joke about a Medieval monk, making copies of copies and pointing out to the Abbot that they might be copying previous errors, perhaps it would be best to go back to the archives and check the originals.

The Abbot finds that a good idea and goes down into the vaults, where he disappears for a long time.

The young monk, concerned, goes to look for him and finds him banging his head against the vaults, exclaiming “It says here ‘CELEBRATE’!”

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 10, 2020 • 7:15:49am

re: #154 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Even as a white person, I felt pride in seeing the American Dream fulfilled: that anybody, regardless of race or social origin, had a chance to make it all the way to the top if they worked hard enough.

Of course, Conservatives could not admit this, as it would have meant recognizing, however grudgingly, Obama’s hard work and accomplishments. Instead they went about vilifying him and presenting him as a coddled affirmative-action Kenyan usurper, Manchurian Candidate and veritable Antichrist.

Then they proved anyone could make it all the way to the top: They elected Trump.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 10, 2020 • 7:17:03am

re: #156 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Then they proved anyone could make it all the way to the top: They elected Trump.

Anyone who had enough money could buy their way to the top, regardless of how little they actually accomplish: that is their American Dream

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 10, 2020 • 7:23:32am

re: #157 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Anyone who had enough money could buy their way to the top, regardless of how little they actually accomplish: that is their American Dream

Money is power
Money buys power
This is nothing new

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 10, 2020 • 7:23:52am
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lawhawk  Feb 10, 2020 • 7:30:05am

So on top of everything else going on in the world, there’s a scam making the rounds at shuls across the country. Someone is spoofing congregational leaders and rabbis and sending out emails purporting a need for assistance, and invariably this leads to a request to purchase gift cards or something like it, and then to provide code information necessary to redeem the cards.

In this fashion there have been reports from congregations that several people have followed those instructions and their charitable intent has led to theft of services.

It’s unconscionable and harmful to the congregations. These people are preying on the goodwill and good intentions of congregants who want to do right and help their communities and someone is using that to steal hundreds and thousands of dollars in the process.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 10, 2020 • 7:30:14am

Commenting on an New York Times opinion piece from a rental broker:

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 10, 2020 • 7:32:12am

re: #159 Anymouse 🌹🎃

If the Iowa turnout is repeated in the general election, that could spell trouble for the “I love the poorly educated” GOP.

(That’s not entirely the case, as there are places like my town where the most educated went for Trump and the least educated went for Clinton.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 10, 2020 • 7:32:27am

re: #158 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

Money is power
Money buys power
This is nothing new

We had candidates like Bush, McCain, scions of rich or influential families and even Gore and Kerry came from moneyed backgrounds.

But Trump, despite his privileged background, managed to market himself as the “man of the common people” anti-politician, which played well with everyone fed up with politics as usual. And one thing we can say, he has been anything but “usual” in most everything he has done.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 10, 2020 • 7:35:42am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 10, 2020 • 7:37:44am

re: #164 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Remember when Whole Foods announced it would be cutting medical benefits for its entire part-time workforce?

Amazon’s annual savings from this cost-cutting ploy is what Jeff Bezos — whose net worth is $110 billion — makes in two hours.

But that would mean I might be saving 13 cents less than I would have saved over buying From Amazon instead of from a local store!!!

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Belafon  Feb 10, 2020 • 7:38:49am

re: #159 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Do a population comparison on that as well.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 10, 2020 • 7:40:04am

re: #165 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

But that would mean I might be saving 13 cents less than I would have saved over buying From Amazon instead of from a local store!!!

We do almost all our shopping from local stores. Very little comes from the Internet.

The only major chains here are Staples, Menards, Nebraska Tire, and Wal*Mart (all sixty miles away). Local saves a bunch of driving. (Plus we really don’t need tires very often, and I can get them at the local Co-op for my car.)

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retired cynic  Feb 10, 2020 • 7:40:09am

re: #159 Anymouse 🌹🎃

So college areas were way up, and Bernie still lost? hmmmmm

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 10, 2020 • 7:40:39am
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 10, 2020 • 7:43:22am

The Nevada Democratic Party is not giving a good look for their upcoming caucus. It would appear they hired a paid Buttigieg organiser to be a voter protection director:

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Belafon  Feb 10, 2020 • 7:45:04am

re: #168 retired cynic

So college areas were way up, and Bernie still lost? hmmmmm

In other words, college students aren’t a monolithic block.

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lawhawk  Feb 10, 2020 • 7:45:36am

re: #170 Anymouse 🌹🎃

They’re not going to make the same mistakes as in Iowa.

They’re going to make new and entirely worse ones.

For starters, working with a completely different app without significant testing.

Caucuses suck. App or no app.

Ranked choice closed primary votes should be the wave of the future.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 10, 2020 • 7:45:51am

The Mississippi Mess (goes to Juanita Jean’s, the World’s Most Dangerous Beauty Salon, more at the link):

The Mississippi Mess from last Friday is becoming ten pounds of Republican embezzlement in a five pound bag.

It’s going federal now. Well, at least until Bill Barr finds out about it and changes the investigation to Democrats who willfully breathed free air in Mississippi.

So it turns out that the nonprofit at the center of the Mississippi embezzlement scandal got millions of dollars in federal funds. The federal grant money doubled in 2018 - after Senator Cindy Hyde Smith was appointed to the Senate, which is beginning to look kinda fishy.

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danarchy  Feb 10, 2020 • 7:47:04am

re: #160 lawhawk

So on top of everything else going on in the world, there’s a scam making the rounds at shuls across the country. Someone is spoofing congregational leaders and rabbis and sending out emails purporting a need for assistance, and invariably this leads to a request to purchase gift cards or something like it, and then to provide code information necessary to redeem the cards.

In this fashion there have been reports from congregations that several people have followed those instructions and their charitable intent has led to theft of services.

It’s unconscionable and harmful to the congregations. These people are preying on the goodwill and good intentions of congregants who want to do right and help their communities and someone is using that to steal hundreds and thousands of dollars in the process.

This is an old scam, maybe a new target. I first saw it years ago, an executive assistant bought $1000 dollars worth of apple gift cards that her boss had supposedly asked her to purchase as gifts for clients and was recording the codes off the back when someone asked her what she was doing. At that point they realized it was a scam and never sent the codes, but came damn close.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2020 • 7:50:35am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2020 • 7:52:05am
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Dr Lizardo  Feb 10, 2020 • 7:52:52am

re: #175 Backwoods_Sleuth

These folks should try their hand at writing dystopian fiction. They’d be pretty good at it.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 10, 2020 • 7:53:03am

re: #175 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And he’s just repeating the standard “there are no-go neighborhoods in cities!” slur. Whose responsible for it being “no-go” just changes to whoever the desired boogeyman is.

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William Lewis  Feb 10, 2020 • 7:54:55am

re: #155 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There is a joke about a Medieval monk, making copies of copies and pointing out to the Abbot that they might be copying previous errors, perhaps it would be best to go back to the archives and check the originals.

The Abbot finds that a good idea and goes down into the vaults, where he disappears for a long time.

The young monk, concerned, goes to look for him and finds him banging his head against the vaults, exclaiming “It says here ‘CELEBRATE’!”

Around here that one makes the rounds as a Pope has died, gone to heaven and is checking the original in the celestial records :)

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Belafon  Feb 10, 2020 • 7:58:09am

re: #170 Anymouse 🌹🎃

The Nevada Democratic Party is not giving a good look for their upcoming caucus. It would appear they hired a paid Buttigieg organiser to be a voter protection director:

I would seriously hope we haven’t reached a point where we can’t trust Democrats to do the right thing. I could support Warren and still work to ensure that counting was fair.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 10, 2020 • 7:59:23am

re: #175 Backwoods_Sleuth

Who is this guy?

As a white guy, I’ve sometimes felt unsafe in certain parts of the USA, but because liberal in uber-conservative areas of Dixie.

I’ve never felt unsafe in places like Detroit or Chicago’s South Side.

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retired cynic  Feb 10, 2020 • 7:59:42am

Charlies Pierce about Mike Bloomberg:

Bloomberg is not coming for the other candidates. He’s simply waiting, on ground that he’s prepared, for them to come to him.

esquire.com

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 10, 2020 • 8:01:12am

re: #181 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Who is this guy?

As a white guy, I’ve sometimes felt unsafe in certain parts of the USA, but because liberal in uber-conservative areas of Dixie.

I’ve never felt unsafe in places like Detroit or Chicago’s South Side.

Former college football coach.
en.wikipedia.org

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Shropshire Slasher  Feb 10, 2020 • 8:01:48am

re: #176 Backwoods_Sleuth

Michael Avennati certainly is interested.

Stormy Daniels’ Lawyer Sends ‘Warning Shot’ To President Donald Trump | The Last Word | MSNBC

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 10, 2020 • 8:02:09am

re: #180 Belafon

I would seriously hope we haven’t reached a point where we can’t trust Democrats to do the right thing. I could support Warren and still work to ensure that counting was fair.

I think the issue is to avoid the appearance of slant or a thumb on the scale, especially for an election judge, you should not employ a person who is a paid employee of one of the candidates running in the election.

I’m sure the Buttigieg guy is fine. A lot of other people probably aren’t, precisely because of the perceived conflict-of-interest.

It’s not like the last Nevada caucus wasn’t an abject shitshow. /s

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Mike Lamb  Feb 10, 2020 • 8:02:16am

re: #175 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Former Auburn (among others) football coach Tommy Tuberville?

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retired cynic  Feb 10, 2020 • 8:02:18am

Also Charlie: Senate Republicans Star in The Chickening Amid Trump’s Retribution Frenzy
Some went to bat for Gordon Sondland, a big-money donor, over Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Vindman, a career public servant.

What a sorry lot of house pets they are. Members of the United States Senate “warning” a president* who sees them for the invertebrates that he is not to do something because it will look bad. When was the last time this president* cared about how he, or any action he’s taken, looked to the great wide world? The only constituency he cares about is the one he sees in the mirror in the morning, right before they bring over the firehose that applies the spray-tan.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 10, 2020 • 8:03:46am

re: #183 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Former college football coach.
en.wikipedia.org

That explains the “he had no trouble going there recruiting” remarks.

Conservative politicians really do have to run on fear, don’t they?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 10, 2020 • 8:06:04am

Fox News viewers are fully convinced that there are Sharia No-Go zones all over North American and European cities.

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Belafon  Feb 10, 2020 • 8:07:06am

re: #189 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Fox News viewers are fully convinced that there are Sharia No-Go zones all over North American and European cities.

Well, there are plenty of places blacks know not to go into, and the people in those places justify it by invoking God.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 10, 2020 • 8:08:44am

re: #175 Backwoods_Sleuth

To this DAY there are places in Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana (and possibly other southern states) where black people STILL can’t go and be guaranteed their safety.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 10, 2020 • 8:10:36am

re: #191 Eclectic Cyborg

To this DAY there are places in Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana (and possibly other southern states) where black people STILL can’t go and be guaranteed their safety.

There’s a reason the Green Book has been re-started on Facebook.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 10, 2020 • 8:13:17am

re: #191 Eclectic Cyborg

To this DAY there are places in Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana (and possibly other southern states) where black people STILL can’t go and be guaranteed their safety.

Ask Trayvon Martin…

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 10, 2020 • 8:19:05am

(video, 1:28)

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Belafon  Feb 10, 2020 • 8:25:46am

re: #194 Anymouse 🌹🎃

(video, 1:28)

What part of straight white male don’t you understand, AOC? //////////

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 10, 2020 • 8:26:18am

re: #194 Anymouse 🌹🎃

“I’ve pulled myself up by the bootstraps so many damn times that I ripped them off.”

This single mom works two jobs and has a bachelor’s degree. She wants lawmakers to know poverty is not about being lazy.

Single mother = woman who is incapable of keeping her man happy

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 10, 2020 • 8:29:07am

re: #195 Belafon

What part of straight white male don’t you understand, AOC? //////////

Your sarc tags aside you really did hit the nail on the head. The vast majority of high level politicians are wealthy white males who have ridden the privilege wave their entire lives.

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Belafon  Feb 10, 2020 • 8:34:51am
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Belafon  Feb 10, 2020 • 8:35:31am

re: #198 Belafon

That might have cost Biden.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 10, 2020 • 8:36:21am

re: #198 Belafon

JFC.

The country is burning down around us and we’re standing in front of a fire truck arguing over who should be the person holding the hose.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 10, 2020 • 8:38:09am

re: #200 Eclectic Cyborg

JFC.

The country is burning down around us and we’re standing in front of a fire truck arguing over who should be the person holding the hose.

Well to be fair, we should try to get the best candidate we can. I’m fine with there being questions about Sanders health. A 79 year old aspirant with a history of heart troubles seeking the Presidency? Yeah that’s an issue to me. To me, the problem is it really seems that a lot of people want an ideologue and not a President. And I guess that’s why I’m drawn towards Biden/Klobuchar though I do like Warren’s passion for reform which we defiitely need.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 10, 2020 • 8:39:39am

re: #201 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Right but my point is the candidates should spend last time squabbling with each other and more time going after the GOP and then we can decide who our best attack dog will be.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 10, 2020 • 8:41:08am

re: #202 Eclectic Cyborg

Right but my point is the candidates should spend last time squabbling with each other and more time going after the GOP and then we can decide who our best attack dog will be.

Oh absolutely, agreed there. Anyhow I just hope the primary voters nominate a candidate that will go after Trump on his shit. This coutnry can’t survive Trumpism.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 10, 2020 • 8:41:52am
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John Hughes  Feb 10, 2020 • 8:44:22am

re: #176 Backwoods_Sleuth

Nunes is obsessed with the idea the pictures exist.

Simplest interpretation — he wants them.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 10, 2020 • 8:46:51am

re: #198 Belafon

Why the “Vote Blue No Matter Who” mantra may have led to lower turnout in the Iowa Caucus. Many Iowa volunteers say they ran into lots of Democrats uninterested in caucusing b/c they were happy with whoever the nominee was

what is the sound of two rats fucking?

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 10, 2020 • 8:46:54am

Senator Morfeld (D), respectfully, you’re an idiot.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 10, 2020 • 8:47:43am

re: #205 John Hughes

Nunes is obsessed with the idea the pictures exist.

Simplest interpretation — he wants them.

he just wants exclusive marketing rights

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 10, 2020 • 8:48:50am

re: #175 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Tuberville, aka “Tater-town,” used to be head football coach at Texas Tech. His wife was involved in (ie “caused”) a traffic accident in Lubbock in which an elderly man was killed. There have been the usual allegations of a cover-up and payoff but she was not charged.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 10, 2020 • 8:48:56am

The concept of open primaries is especially important in a year like then in which the GOP has nothing at all to distracting it from meddling and ratfucking wherever it can…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2020 • 8:49:15am

morons

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 10, 2020 • 8:49:56am

re: #205 John Hughes

Nunes is obsessed with the idea the pictures exist.

Simplest interpretation — he wants them.

It is projection with conservatives always.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 10, 2020 • 8:50:24am

re: #211 Backwoods_Sleuth

morons

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How many of these people just follow him rally to rally, like concert groupies?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 10, 2020 • 8:50:34am

re: #209 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Tuberville, aka “Tater-town,” used to be head football coach at Texas Tech. His wife was involved in (ie “caused”) a traffic accident in Lubbock in which an elderly man was killed. There have been the usual allegations of a cover-up and payoff but she was not charged.

Wow, had not heard that but yeah wouldn’t surprise me. College football is big $$$$.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2020 • 8:50:54am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 10, 2020 • 8:51:30am

re: #214 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Wow, had not heard that but yeah wouldn’t surprise me. College football is big $$$$.

It is an unofficial and unpaid minor league for the NFL and needs to be recognized (and unionized) as such.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 10, 2020 • 8:52:08am

re: #213 Eclectic Cyborg

How many of these people just follow him rally to rally, like concert groupies?

They like hearing their favorite songs like “Lock Her Up”, “Oh Lisa and Oh Peter”, “No Collusion”. Seriously, his fucking rallies are just him bitching about whatever is eating his ass at the moment or whatever he wants to take credit for that he has nothing to do with. We’re going to look back on Trumpism with critical eyes as a political cult.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 10, 2020 • 8:53:02am

re: #211 Backwoods_Sleuth

morons

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Oh, so that’s why the vendors were out there yesterday. I may have to do a drive-by.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 10, 2020 • 8:53:21am

re: #213 Eclectic Cyborg

How many of these people just follow him rally to rally, like concert groupies?

A lot. It’s like Widespread Panic, except not the band.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 10, 2020 • 8:53:35am

re: #216 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is an unofficial and unpaid minor league for the NFL and needs to be recognized (and unionized) as such.

No doubt about that. I follow sports. I understand how this works.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 10, 2020 • 8:54:34am

re: #210 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The concept of open primaries is especially important in a year like then in which the GOP has nothing at all to distracting it from meddling and ratfucking wherever it can…

Well, it’s too late to do that this year.

The General Election is ostensibly non-partisan (no party listed on the ballot or on the Secretary of State Website) for state offices and below. Federal offices are partisan and show on ballots and the Website.

The non-partisan nature of our elections for state and lower offices makes it harder to weed out voting for conservatives (and the reverse is true for conservatives wanting to weed out liberals). What it seems to do is cause people to vote by name-recognition, meaning it preserves incumbency (though in the Unicameral there is a two-term limit followed by a one-term rest period).

Despite that hill to climb, hundreds of local offices here flipped from Republican to Democratic control, and the most women ever were elected (over eight hundred).

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lawhawk  Feb 10, 2020 • 8:57:53am

So, Trump’s now presuming that the weather will solve China’s coronavirus outbreak?

Heat isn’t what kills the virus. It’s the close proximity of people to each other. When everyone is indoors because it’s cold outside, the disease can spread among those infected. It’s like the influenza or cold (and the influenza still kills more worldwide than coronavirus Wuhan).

How to reduce spread? Wash your damned hands.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 10, 2020 • 9:01:37am

re: #222 lawhawk

So, Trump’s now presuming that the weather will solve China’s coronavirus outbreak?

Heat isn’t what kills the virus. It’s the close proximity of people to each other. When everyone is indoors because it’s cold outside, the disease can spread among those infected. It’s like the influenza or cold (and the influenza still kills more worldwide than coronavirus Wuhan).

How to reduce spread? Wash your damned hands.

Pete Hegseth runs screaming for the hills.

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BigPapa  Feb 10, 2020 • 9:03:27am

Ratouille Report: Sunday, Feb 9, 2020

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2020 • 9:04:00am

re: #222 lawhawk

So, Trump’s now presuming that the weather will solve China’s coronavirus outbreak?

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Heat isn’t what kills the virus. It’s the close proximity of people to each other. When everyone is indoors because it’s cold outside, the disease can spread among those infected. It’s like the influenza or cold (and the influenza still kills more worldwide than coronavirus Wuhan).

How to reduce spread? Wash your damned hands.

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Danack  Feb 10, 2020 • 9:06:05am

re: #222 lawhawk

Heat isn’t what kills the virus.

Sorry, don’t have a link, but apparently this type of virus is much more likely to be passed on when the temperature is below about 10C.

Apparently below that temperature the virus survives much longer on surfaces like door handles….so there is a good chance the transmission rate does drop when the weather warms up a bit.

But yeah, that’s not going to magically stop the disease in it’s tracks, just be another factor in limiting it’s spread.

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Belafon  Feb 10, 2020 • 9:07:46am

re: #211 Backwoods_Sleuth

morons

Hey, Jon: 1 Republican, and multiple Democrats. That’s an apple to grapes comparison.

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Mike Lamb  Feb 10, 2020 • 9:08:23am

re: #227 Belafon

Hey, Jon: 1 Republican, and multiple Democrats. That’s an apple to grapes comparison.

That was my instant reaction as well.

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Rightwingconspirator  Feb 10, 2020 • 9:10:07am

re: #222 lawhawk

So, Trump’s now presuming that the weather will solve China’s coronavirus outbreak?

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Heat isn’t what kills the virus. It’s the close proximity of people to each other. When everyone is indoors because it’s cold outside, the disease can spread among those infected. It’s like the influenza or cold (and the influenza still kills more worldwide than coronavirus Wuhan).

How to reduce spread? Wash your damned hands.

Plus it looks like live animal markets are a bad idea. Especially crowded ones.

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BigPapa  Feb 10, 2020 • 9:12:09am

Trump staging a rally in NH is to Pay Attention To Me in front of the Dem challengers.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 10, 2020 • 9:13:11am

re: #214 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Wow, had not heard that but yeah wouldn’t surprise me. College football is big $$$$.

His Wikipedia entry also mentions involvement with a hedge fund in which he and his co-manager were charged with defrauding investors. He settled for undisclosed terms. His co-manager was found guilty of securities fraud and got jail time and had to pay 2 million in restitution. (I personally suspect that Tuberville was just loaning out his name, taking a payment, and probably was not involved day-to-day. Still arguably a pretty stupid thing to do.)

Also note his very very good salaries from various universities to be a coach. And not much loyalty to his later contracts since the history shows him skipping out of contracts to take contracts elsewhere even after getting extensions and raises.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 10, 2020 • 9:13:54am

re: #220 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

No doubt about that. I follow sports. I understand how this works.

Much as they serve as the NBA’s minor league as well.

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A Mom Anon  Feb 10, 2020 • 9:16:55am

re: #230 BigPapa

Is he gonna do this for every primary? Has any president ever done this? Gah. He’s so gross.

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danarchy  Feb 10, 2020 • 9:17:34am

re: #230 BigPapa

Trump staging a rally in NH is to Pay Attention To Me in front of the Dem challengers.

Of course it is, and it is effective. At the worst he splits the news cycle with any Dem event, and if he says something outrageous enough he can suck all the oxygen out of the room and ensure everybody is talking about him instead of his potential rivals. He has been doing this all primary season.

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Belafon  Feb 10, 2020 • 9:18:01am

re: #233 A Mom Anon

Is he gonna do this for every primary? Has any president ever done this? Gah. He’s so gross.

No, they haven’t.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2020 • 9:18:12am
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lawhawk  Feb 10, 2020 • 9:18:54am
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retired cynic  Feb 10, 2020 • 9:21:12am

re: #194 Anymouse 🌹🎃

(video, 1:28)

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Good!

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makeitstop  Feb 10, 2020 • 9:21:43am

re: #232 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Much as they serve as the NBA’s minor league as well.

The NBA has its own developmental league, the ‘G’ league. The difference between the G league and colleges is that there are real contracts and pay involved. But it’s a true minor league, with teams affiliated with NBA teams.

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Belafon  Feb 10, 2020 • 9:22:24am

re: #238 Backwoods_Sleuth

Come on, Trump. Piss off Utah.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2020 • 9:22:59am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2020 • 9:25:30am

JFC

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lawhawk  Feb 10, 2020 • 9:29:13am
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Dr Lizardo  Feb 10, 2020 • 9:32:34am

re: #244 lawhawk

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I’m becoming increasingly convinced that Trump won’t debate the eventual Democratic nominee…his handlers won’t let him because it will reveal his rapidly deteriorating mental state for all the world to see.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 10, 2020 • 9:33:47am
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BigPapa  Feb 10, 2020 • 9:35:30am

Incumbent presidents with solid polling and no viable contenders don’t politik in primaries. They don’t need to.

Trump doing it is desperation. As with everything else Trump they will attempt to flip the narrative and turn every negative into a positive, proof of Trump’s magnificent galaxian awesomer wonderfulbility.

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Citizen K  Feb 10, 2020 • 9:37:06am

re: #243 Backwoods_Sleuth

Every single department down to the one, this administration has managed to subvert into doing the exact opposite of its purpose.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 10, 2020 • 9:37:24am
…Trump’s magnificent galaxian awesomer wonderfulbility.

The orange-anus is taking tips from Zaphod Beeblebrox. Now, imaging him with two pumpkins on his shoulders.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 10, 2020 • 9:38:37am

re: #220 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

No doubt about that. I follow sports. I understand how this works.

I used to work for the Athletic Department at Northern Arizona University and it is such a ridiculous claim that today’s major university sports have anything to do with the ideal of amateur academic sports 50 years ago, when NFL or NBA players’ salaries were measured in the tens of thousands, and anything over $100K was for “superstars”….

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 10, 2020 • 9:40:34am

re: #247 BigPapa

Incumbent presidents with solid polling and no viable contenders don’t politik in primaries. They don’t need to.

Trump doing it is desperation. As with everything else Trump they will attempt to flip the narrative and turn every negative into a positive, proof of Trump’s magnificent galaxian awesomer wonderfulbility.

It’s not desperation. He’s following Hitler’s playbook — he wants an army of supporters who will be behind him and his family when they set up camps for residents living here and not just those on the border. He’s conducted Nuremberg rallies throughout his Presidency. Throughout his life he worked at gaining publicity; now he has center stage full-time because of his position and he will never willingly relinquish it. He’s a narcissist and this feeds his disorder.

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Citizen K  Feb 10, 2020 • 9:40:45am
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Patricia Kayden  Feb 10, 2020 • 9:41:12am

re: #237 lawhawk

It’s amazing how much in the tank Karl and his MSM colleagues are in for Trump. Why was the dig about Democratic candidates necessary? By the way, Candidate Obama drew MASSIVE crowds — especially in 2008. Trump’s crowds are small compared to those.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 10, 2020 • 9:42:17am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 10, 2020 • 9:42:53am

re: #222 lawhawk

So, Trump’s now presuming that the weather will solve China’s coronavirus outbreak?

Heat isn’t what kills the virus. It’s the close proximity of people to each other.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 10, 2020 • 9:45:50am

Sanity break, so to speak. Enjoy this review about the 1979 Lincoln Continental Mark V, a car with “the aerodynamics of a buffet table”….

1979 Continental Mark V - The Pinnacle of American Luxury

My neighbor had a Mark V when I was a kid….yeah, the thing really was a land yacht, LOL.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 10, 2020 • 9:46:07am

re: #254 goddamnedfrank

Jason McGlothlen
@goddamnedfrank
One thing that stood out to me in that insane Bill Barr presser is that he kept calling it “the” Ukraine instead of just Ukraine. Graham too.

Just another petty, deliberate insult, they absolutely know the Ukrainians hate that shit.en.wikipedia.org …

11:35 AM - Feb 10, 2020

That is the Russian name for the country — that proves that Barr and Graham are Putin stooges, just like the President.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2020 • 9:53:37am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2020 • 9:54:47am
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 10, 2020 • 9:54:49am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2020 • 9:58:08am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2020 • 9:59:49am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 10, 2020 • 10:00:44am

re: #259 Backwoods_Sleuth

Of course “Drug dealers” is code for blacks and other brown people.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 10, 2020 • 10:01:29am

LOL

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2020 • 10:02:02am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 10, 2020 • 10:03:27am

re: #265 Backwoods_Sleuth

I agree with Bob. Insurance companies will start offering coverage with a “pre-existing conditions” add-on for however many thousands of dollars they can get away with charging.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 10, 2020 • 10:09:35am

re: #257 Hecuba’s daughter

That is the Russian name for the country — that proves that Barr and Graham are Putin stooges, just like the President.

it is the antiquated name for the country

I would not assign too much meaning to it here

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 10, 2020 • 10:11:28am

re: #266 Eclectic Cyborg

I agree with Bob. Insurance companies will start offering coverage with a “pre-existing conditions” add-on for however many thousands of dollars they can get away with charging.

and make it sound like they are doing you a big favor by taking you on at all…

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 10, 2020 • 10:11:31am

(video, 0:37)

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gocart mozart  Feb 10, 2020 • 10:12:02am
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 10, 2020 • 10:13:06am

re: #267 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

it is the antiquated name for the country

I would not assign too much meaning to it here

It’s the antiquated Soviet name for the Ukrainian SSR. The term refers to a region, like “The Midwest.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2020 • 10:13:26am

O_o

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 10, 2020 • 10:15:34am

(I presume “depose” means call into court, not overthrow him.)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 10, 2020 • 10:17:25am

re: #273 Anymouse 🌹🎃

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(I presume “depose” means call into court, not overthrow him.)

And here I was getting all excited.

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I mean, really can you imagine how this country would look if it were run by Jeff Bezos?

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Mike Lamb  Feb 10, 2020 • 10:18:11am

re: #259 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And he had a commercial during the Super Bowl about how great he is with criminal justice reform…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2020 • 10:18:16am
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gocart mozart  Feb 10, 2020 • 10:19:06am
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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 10, 2020 • 10:19:23am

re: #247 BigPapa

Incumbent presidents with solid polling and no viable contenders don’t politik in primaries. They don’t need to.

Trump doing it is desperation. As with everything else Trump they will attempt to flip the narrative and turn every negative into a positive, proof of Trump’s magnificent galaxian awesomer wonderfulbility.

You are 100% correct

I would add that trump is doing this also because he just has to be the center of attention even of the other party

He must tell everybody what to do and what they are doing wrong. Because he always knows better

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 10, 2020 • 10:24:45am

Nixon II: Electric Boogaloo.

Schumer asks inspectors general to investigate whistleblower retaliation after Vindman firing (Politico)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2020 • 10:25:23am
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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 10, 2020 • 10:27:03am

re: #276 Backwoods_Sleuth

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While it does inform that he doesn’t keep his promises and is screwing his base, the white house budget is doa.

Nancy et Al will shred it* and start from scratch

Maybe on tv

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 10, 2020 • 10:27:05am

re: #274 Eclectic Cyborg

And here I was getting all excited.

///

I mean, really can you imagine how this country would look if it were run by Jeff Bezos?

JEDI Jeff

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2020 • 10:27:26am
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Rightwingconspirator  Feb 10, 2020 • 10:32:27am

Rough start to your Monday?

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Belafon  Feb 10, 2020 • 10:32:49am

re: #267 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

it is the antiquated name for the country

I would not assign too much meaning to it here

I disgree for this reason: I grew up with the USSR and “The Ukraine.” When the Soviet Union fell apart, and Ukraine became its own country, I took the time to unlearn putting “the” in front. They can learn to properly call the country what it wants to be called, especially as representatives of the US.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2020 • 10:33:25am
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Barefoot Grin  Feb 10, 2020 • 10:33:50am

Buttigieg Platitude Generator:

mayopete.io

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BeenHereAwhile  Feb 10, 2020 • 10:35:29am

re: #91 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It has been over a generation since the IRA was associated with violent acts of terror.

It’s also a political solution to an 100+ year insurgency.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2020 • 10:37:45am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 10, 2020 • 10:40:15am

re: #286 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I smell a rat.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 10, 2020 • 10:40:15am

Conservatives can’t have examples of successfully-run socialised industries or services, part eleventy billion:

Feds to investigate JEA privatization (Goes to the Jacksonville, Fla. Times-Union, more at the link).

The Jacksonville mayor and the CEO of Jacksonville Electric Authority embarked on a scheme to privatise the utility, though there were no calls by people in the city to do so. Moreover, JEA presented data which contradicted its own data to justify selling of the city-owned utility.

The state attorney general has turned over the investigation to the federal government.

JEA argues that there is no future in utilities (because everyone in Jacksonville is going to give up electricity I guess).

JEA is the largest publicly-owned utility in the USA. The plan was to sell it off to private investors or privately-owned utility companies.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2020 • 10:41:13am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 10, 2020 • 10:42:53am

re: #291 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Conservatives can’t have examples of successfully-run socialised industries or services, part eleventy billion:

Feds to investigate JEA privatization (Goes to the Jacksonville, Fla. Times-Union, more at the link).

The Jacksonville mayor and the CEO of Jacksonville Electric Authority embarked on a scheme to privatise the utility, though there were no calls by people in the city to do so. Moreover, JEA presented data which contradicted its own data to justify selling of the city-owned utility.

The state attorney general has turned over the investigation to the federal government.

JEA argues that there is no future in utilities (because everyone in Jacksonville is going to give up electricity I guess).

JEA is the largest publicly-owned utility in the USA. The plan was to sell it off to private investors or privately-owned utility companies.

Privatization of electric companies is what caused the California Energy Crisis about 20 years ago and led to Arnold Schwarzenegger getting elected Governor.

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lawhawk  Feb 10, 2020 • 10:44:59am

[Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com ]

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 10, 2020 • 10:46:11am

re: #294 lawhawk

[Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com ]

Gone, apparently.

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gocart mozart  Feb 10, 2020 • 10:46:17am

...

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 10, 2020 • 10:47:54am

re: #285 Belafon

I disgree for this reason: I grew up with the USSR and “The Ukraine.” When the Soviet Union fell apart, and Ukraine became its own country, I took the time to unlearn putting “the” in front. They can learn to properly call the country what it wants to be called, especially as representatives of the US.

They cannot be bothered, it might be intentional or it might just be them being lazy fucks

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 10, 2020 • 10:48:07am

Ooookaaaaay …

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Belafon  Feb 10, 2020 • 10:53:22am

re: #298 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Ooookaaaaay …

Why shouldn’t those with broken hearts enjoy Valentine’s day a little?

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 10, 2020 • 10:53:29am

re: #293 Eclectic Cyborg

Privatization of electric companies is what caused the California Energy Crisis about 20 years ago and led to Arnold Schwarzenegger getting elected Governor.

Our only city-owned utility is the water works.

The village had a raging debate about selling it off to a private company, as many other towns around us did to raise money for city coffers.

I dug into water prices in the towns around us, and found that ours is about 1/8 of what the other towns charge now they have companies running them. (State law prohibits a city-owned water works from making a profit, other than a small margin for maintenance of the system.)

On top of that, our town (128) has more money in the bank than Cheyenne, Wyo. (50,000).

Talking up people in the village, I pointed out the phantasm of money rolling in from some company buying our water works, and the proposal went down in defeat in a public hearing. It never reached debate in the village board.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 10, 2020 • 10:55:17am

re: #298 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Why not current lover, too?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 10, 2020 • 10:55:53am

re: #293 Eclectic Cyborg

Privatization of electric companies is what caused the California Energy Crisis about 20 years ago and led to Arnold Schwarzenegger getting elected Governor.

I seem to recall Rush Limbaugh blaming it all on “environmental whackos”

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 10, 2020 • 10:55:59am

re: #297 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They cannot be bothered, it might be intentional or it might just be them being lazy fucks

There is the aphorism of “Do not attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity”. But this is Graham and Barr we are speaking about. In their case, you must always attribute to malice any pro-Trump or pro-Republican or pro-Russian position that they take. They are not doing this out of ignorance — they are owned by Russia, just like Trump.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 10, 2020 • 10:56:31am

re: #299 Belafon

Why shouldn’t those with broken hearts enjoy Valentine’s day a little?

Several people in the thread have suggested naming them “Trump.”

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Feb 10, 2020 • 10:57:36am

re: #292 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’d edit to add “…willing to buy cheesy shit they think triggers liberals.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 10, 2020 • 10:58:42am

re: #305 Flying Squirrel Girl

I’d edit to add “…willing to buy cheesy shit they think triggers liberals.”

I’m sure the amount of money the Trump org makes on all that MAGA shit is truly sobering.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 10, 2020 • 10:59:00am

re: #305 Flying Squirrel Girl

I’d edit to add “…willing to buy cheesy shit they think triggers liberals.”

In the thread about the rally that Backyard posted earlier there are literally dozens of comments about how standing in the cold for 24 hours is worth it to get liberal tears.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 10, 2020 • 11:00:01am

re: #301 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Why not current lover, too?

That’s a yike. /s

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 10, 2020 • 11:00:36am

re: #307 Barefoot Grin

In the thread about the rally that Backyard posted earlier there are literally dozens of comments about how standing in the cold for 24 hours is worth it to get liberal tears.

“I got frostbite to own the libs.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 10, 2020 • 11:00:46am

Freezing your balls off to own the Libs.

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BeenHereAwhile  Feb 10, 2020 • 11:00:48am

re: #211 Backwoods_Sleuth

morons

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They’re more than morons, they are Trump voters who will show up at the polls.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 10, 2020 • 11:01:06am

re: #309 Anymouse 🌹🎃

“I got frostbite to own the libs.”

Beat me by 10 seconds.

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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 10, 2020 • 11:01:10am

re: #14 William Lewis

Totally agree with both points. It has bothered (infuriated) me for a long time that the moronic insistence that she not be behind the kit probably contributed to her troubles. I can’t even imagine how shitty it must feel to have made it to the point of earning a living from it, then having big success - and not be able to do the part of it you love (and excel at.) How god damn frustrating!

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 10, 2020 • 11:03:38am

re: #273 Anymouse 🌹🎃

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(I presume “depose” means call into court, not overthrow him.)

I’m ok with either interpretation.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 10, 2020 • 11:04:35am

re: #313 Jebediah, RBG

Totally agree with both points. It has bothered (infuriated) me for a long time that the moronic insistence that she not be behind the kit probably contributed to her troubles. I can’t even imagine how shitty it must feel to have made it to the point of earning a living from it, then having big success - and not be able to do the part of it you love (and excel at.) How god damn frustrating!

And that the Carpenters presented this wholesome, family-friendly image which belied the darkness behind it.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 10, 2020 • 11:06:41am

re: #148 jaunte

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Our self-heiling fuhrer.

The Producers Hitler - Heil Myself

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 10, 2020 • 11:12:54am

re: #303 Hecuba’s daughter

There is the aphorism of “Do not attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity”. But this is Graham and Barr we are speaking about. In their case, you must always attribute to malice any pro-Trump or pro-Republican or pro-Russian position that they take. They are not doing this out of ignorance — they are owned by Russia, just like Trump.

Well let’s state the obvious. Ukraine has been independent for close to 30 years now. Lindsay Graham has never been in Washington when Ukraine hasn’t been an independent republic. Barr has been in public life likewise longer with an independent Ukraine rather than an Ukraine that is a Soviet Republic and extension of Russia. So yeah they know. And it’s gotta frustrate the hell out of the Ukrainians who are a key ally in a key geopolitical location.

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jaunte  Feb 10, 2020 • 11:13:57am

“Powerful death penalty” = We already know from the Central Park Five how this is going to go.

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jaunte  Feb 10, 2020 • 11:14:32am

This is the right tweet for that comment.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 10, 2020 • 11:14:52am

re: #318 jaunte

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“Powerful death penalty” = We already know from the Central Park Five how this is going to go.

Our state is doing well in spite of him.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 10, 2020 • 11:15:58am

re: #319 jaunte

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This is the right tweet for that comment.

He’d bring back public executions if he thought he would get good ratings over it.

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Belafon  Feb 10, 2020 • 11:17:31am

re: #319 jaunte

This is the right tweet for that comment.

China and the Philippines are executing dealers because they don’t have control of illegal drugs.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 10, 2020 • 11:17:56am

No “Skulls of Your Enemies Bowl and Cup Set” so I guess I’m in the clear.

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BigPapa  Feb 10, 2020 • 11:23:18am

re: #251 Hecuba’s daughter

It’s not desperation. He’s following Hitler’s playbook — he wants an army of supporters who will be behind him and his family when they set up camps for residents living here and not just those on the border. He’s conducted Nuremberg rallies throughout his Presidency. Throughout his life he worked at gaining publicity; now he has center stage full-time because of his position and he will never willingly relinquish it. He’s a narcissist and this feeds his disorder.

Noodling on this a little more and thinking of zeal, in many cases you can’t tell the diff between desperation and coordinated effort. There is no difference.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 10, 2020 • 11:27:15am

re: #323 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

No “Skulls of Your Enemies Bowl and Cup Set” so I guess I’m in the clear.

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Like the “rosary beads” on the list. Shows that they still consider Catholics the enemy as well.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Feb 10, 2020 • 11:28:33am

re: #319 jaunte

This is the right tweet for that comment.

So is the second one in that thread:

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 10, 2020 • 12:45:14pm

re: #292 Backwoods_Sleuth

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A sucker born every minute

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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 10, 2020 • 1:29:09pm

re: #315 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That too.


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